Mac OS X 10.3.1 Update

[MacRumors]

Mac OS X 10.3.1 Update is now available in your software update:

The 10.3.1 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: FileVault, Printing, WebDav, and FireWire 800 drives. This update also includes the latest Security Updates.

Important Note: Apple has identified an issue with external FireWire hard drives using the Oxford 922 bridge chip-set with firmware version 1.02 that can result in the loss of data stored on the disk drive. Even with the improvements available in this update, Apple recommends you update the firmware on your FireWire drive. Please contact your drive manufacturer for more information.

[FlamDrag]

Now I'll install Panther - I was a bit worried prior.

[shadowfax]

man, i was hoping they would put some work into smoothing out Exposé. i am getting some jerky inconsistencies in certain places.

also, what the heck? it's only 1.3 MB...

[kryten2000]

And lets all remember the 10.2.8 Jaguar fiasco and
give it some time before updating!

[appleguy]

You guys are fast....
you had it up here within 10mins from being released...
Well done

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by kryten2000
And lets all remember the 10.2.8 Jaguar fiasco and
give it some time before updating!
Exactly, after that I promissed myself I would never get updates as soon as they came out again.

[morlium]

I don't think this update was originally planned. Rather, it needed to get out quickly to quell the rash of articles exposing Pather's major problems. By releasing thus update, Apple can tote Panther again without any serious rebuttle.

I'd look for 10.3.2 to fix up the rest of the cosemetic bugs (which would otherwise have been 10.3.1, if not for the File Vault issues).

[Viv]

Ok so who wants to go first? But remembering what happened on the last big update.

Viv

[Mallardx]

I think it is great they fixed a few things, but waht about the crashing in safari and ichat. I use them a hell of a lot more than filevault.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Mallardx
I think it is great they fixed a few things, but waht about the crashing in safari and ichat. I use them a hell of a lot more than filevault.
Maybe, but Safari & iChat (which, BTW, I have had no problems with) won't cause you to loose all your data. Any flaws in FileVault had SERIOUS consequences.

[arn]

installed with no issues.

I wasn't using Filevault anyhow. I do have two FW400 external drives... but hadn't experienced data loss prior.

edit: I've had no Safari or iChat issues either.

arn

[TomSmithMacEd]

I havn't had any of these problems with Safari or ichat... Maybe I'm just lucky.

[synthetickittie]

safari crashes CONSTANTLY on me (dual 1.42 powermac), Id say I havent been able to use it for more then 10 minutes straight with it no crashing. Also mail has been a pain with crashing, its just that I was used to jaguar where those two things almost never ever crashed on me.

[bidge]

I haven't had any problems with any software crashing.

Some people have to do the updates to see if it works fine...

[Balin64]

But I wish they had fixed the problem with nVidia cards not working properly in Sawtooth G4 towers. Oh well, I'll keep using the patch that at least makes the card usable, but at the sacrifice of Quartz Extreme.:(

I also do not use FileVault but I'm glad they fixed it...

I also hope that the sketchy networking with SMB mounts has been fixed! I can't eject SMB mounts at work when I connect through the Network path from the SideBar.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
safari crashes CONSTANTLY on me (dual 1.42 powermac), Id say I havent been able to use it for more then 10 minutes straight with it no crashing. Also mail has been a pain with crashing, its just that I was used to jaguar where those two things almost never ever crashed on me. did you do an update install or an install and archive? are you running any haxies?

[eyelikeart]

I'm still scared...

[cizzino]

Anybody out there with a lombard and more than 256 RAM... does this update fix the screen garbling bug or we need to wait for 10.3.2 ?

[toontra]

Updates fine - no probs at all here

[mac@ukf.net]

Just done the update using the Software update System Preference. Is the first thing I did since installing Panther about an hour ago (onto external Lacie Pocket drive).

All fine, but when I run the software updates (two security updates, plus one 10.3.1 update), I got an error after installing the 10.3.1 about the security updates requiring 10.3 to be present.

It then quit (gracefully). After restart I noticed that the system is now on 10.3.1 and Software Update says there are no additional updates available at this time... a little strange I guess. But it worked so far

[reckless_0001]

updated with no problems as usual.

[nick.hill]

oh bloody hell.

Nice suprise, 10.3.1 available, little ol lemming me just says yes and now after the re-boot it wont start up.

The white apple logo apears, it goes along for a while and then the logo is replaced by a big cricle with a dash in grey. Then it stays silent for ages.

I've ried reseting, takint he batery out. wearing a hat. Everything.

No I want to cry, any ideas or is this 10.2.8 all over again?

N

[zenichi]

The 10.3.1 update apparently includes the previous security updates so that might explain that error message.

I got the same one updating an iMac.

System should probably handle that differently but not a major problem.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by appleguy
You guys are fast....
you had it up here within 10mins from being released...
Well done

Ha, everyone should have known this was coming... I mean they did give it to developers yesterday...


:rolleyes: ;)

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by nick.hill
oh bloody hell.

Nice suprise, 10.3.1 available, little ol lemming me just says yes and now after the re-boot it wont start up.

The white apple logo apears, it goes along for a while and then the logo is replaced by a big cricle with a dash in grey. Then it stays silent for ages.

I've ried reseting, takint he batery out. wearing a hat. Everything.

No I want to cry, any ideas or is this 10.2.8 all over again?

N

Boot it on a Boot Disk, do the normal files and checkups with any Disk Utils afterwards...

Anyway if you have this why not boot up on the Panther Disks?

[MacLV]

Update fine here without any issues... Disconnect from SMB mount still not working properly and apple has yet to post details to support site.

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by mac@ukf.net

All fine, but when I run the software updates (two security updates, plus one 10.3.1 update), I got an error after installing the 10.3.1 about the security updates requiring 10.3 to be present.

It then quit (gracefully). After restart I noticed that the system is now on 10.3.1 and Software Update says there are no additional updates available at this time... a little strange I guess. But it worked so far

quote:
The 10.3.1 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: FileVault, Printing, WebDav, and FireWire 800 drives. This update also includes the latest Security Updates.


Take note of the last sentence. :)

[rjwill246]

It is so wierd how these bugs etc are not universal. We have dual G4,s 17 and 15" iMacs (latest) G5 1.8, 17" PB and a PowerLogix updated Cube. The FW 400 drive has been connected to all and no problems. No crashes in Mail or Safari (except ONE website in Safari that when clicking on a link would crash but it happened in Firebird too).
It makes one wonder if it is not third party plug-ins etc that cause problems that are sporadic and unpredictable. I certainly found the comment from MacIntouch that the F/W problems were "unforgiveable" a little odd as only 20 or so people had been affected at the time that comment was made. Of course, it should be no-one but I cannot see how Apple is going to identify issues like this until they actually happen-- and heaven knows there were tons of Panther betas out there for months and apparently this problem didn't surface.

[illumin8]

Updated just fine on a 15" G4 AlBook. I only had Safari crash once or twice before when I was visiting sites that had heavy javascript on them.

I think I'll wait till 10.3.2 or later before I trust FileVault again. I didn't lose any data before, but the one reboot where my home directory "disappeared" and I thought all my data was gone until the next reboot was enough to scare me into disabling it.

[synthetickittie]

Originally posted by shadowfax
did you do an update install or an install and archive? are you running any haxies?

total clean install, I put all my files on my powerbook then clean installed my desktop and transfer the files back on here then did the same with the powerbook. Both and the desktop and laptop have safari crashing a lot. I can almost expect it when Im doing my physics homework (due ever night at 10pm) since I have the browser open on the same page for about an hour doing it I keep having to save the work ever few minutes because I know its about to crash every 10 or so minutes. On jaguar that never happened.. and other then safari and mail(which isnt as bad) Ive had no other problems what so ever with panther...

[robbieduncan]

I just installed this on my iBook which was still running the ancient 7B21 pre-release. It killed it. I am not massively surprised by this as the installer warned me I would not be able to upgrade to the final release.

Be warned!

(before the flames I have no bought the final version as I have just ordered (today) a brand new PowerBook and will be selling the iBook)

[illumin8]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
total clean install, I put all my files on my powerbook then clean installed my desktop and transfer the files back on here then did the same with the powerbook. Both and the desktop and laptop have safari crashing a lot. I can almost expect it when Im doing my physics homework (due ever night at 10pm) since I have the browser open on the same page for about an hour doing it I keep having to save the work ever few minutes because I know its about to crash every 10 or so minutes. On jaguar that never happened.. and other then safari and mail(which isnt as bad) Ive had no other problems what so ever with panther...
If you copied your Library folder over you also copied your Safari preferences, which could be corrupted.

Try creating a new user account on your computer and see if Safari crashes for it as well. I bet it will be rock solid stable.

If you do this and determine that it's your Safari prefs that are causing the issue, go into your Library folder and trash the Safari Preferences. This should fix it.

[Trowaman]

1 GHZ, 17" iMac here and no issues to report on my side. . . .yet. Oh now I am scared. :eek: so let's hope it works okay.

[macMaestro]

I lost my display settings, but besides that no issues.

[Powerbook G5]

I upgraded to 10.3.1 with no problems, in fact, I restarted three times just to make sure, and I can say that 10.3.1 makes me boot up 3 seconds faster now. It somehow changed my font AA setting from 8 and smaller to 10 and smaller for some reason because I got a Photoshop message telling me to switch it back, not sure why that happened, but it's smooth sailing so far.

[ITR 81]

If you were viewing your mailboxes and ctrl click it would give a drop down dialog box but about 3 quarters of it was empty except for the very bottom which allows you delete junk and msg's. If you re-positioned your mail window to close to the bottom you could not read what was in drop down menu. I'm glad in the update they fixed this so there is no more leftover space.

All I want is for Safari to be improved which will probably happen by Dec or Jan.

[mxpiazza]

rev. b 12" powerbook, updated with no problems. i DID have FileVault problems, I am going to wait a few more updates before i go down that road again.

[Powerbook G5]

Safari has never crashed for me but I read about it from Apple's discussion boards. I heard that it is a font issue and if you do something with turning certain fonts off or dumping the cache it would fix it.

[blueBomber]

Just upgraded, everything SEEMS ok...
I'm not terribly worried just because Apple had ONE bad update...

[MadMan]

Installed fine, now running permissions repair...

:cool:

MM

[dbunder]

no problems here on a g3 ibook 800mhz with a clean 10.3 install. :D

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
I can almost expect it when Im doing my physics homework (due ever night at 10pm)

WebAssign anyone?

It would be safe to assume that a shipping eMac slated to arrive later this week would still have 10.3 install discs right?

[sweetsdream]

It's funny. Every time an update or upgrade comes out, I read on the forums about people having constant crashing or losing their files.

I personally own four Macs (two iBooks, an iMac and a PowerBook) and other than dropping an iBook and having my logic board replaced, I never had major problems. These aren't the only Macs I've owned, nor are they the only Macs I've setup for people. I have used OS X since the first (paid) beta and I can not believe how stable it's been so far. Sure 10.0 was slow but 10.3 is great.

Maybe before you go bitching on every board you can find about how the lastest security patch formated your hard drive, you should check your hardware for problems or even your power in your house before blaming the best OS in the world. It doesn't help to have a bunch of third party software or Haxies running either.

I think there are a lot of Windows users out there that would love to switch to Apple but all the see and hear are the problems. Maybe you are to blame and not Apple.

Sorry for my long rant.

[evil_santa]

ibook 300 OK
G4 733 OK - had problems with 10.2.8 & all the file vault problems in 10.3 - Not planning to turn file vault on!

[Powerbook G5]

I turned file vault on once but didn't have any problems, but then again, I only used it for about 10 minutes before deciding it wasn't worth it since it kept asking for passwords and I dislike having to type my password all the time.

[Balooba]

Originally posted by arn
installed with no issues.

I wasn't using Filevault anyhow. I do have two FW400 external drives... but hadn't experienced data loss prior.
arn

You misunderstand the issue about FW800 drives. Two FW400 is not the same as one FW800 drive.
:D

[joker2]

Just upgraded a 12" rev B powerbook, no problems here. (Note, I didn't have FileVault turned on, nor any firewire drives).

[macFanDave]

Is WebDAV noticeably improved?

I find iDisk so slow that I feel I can put my data on a bunch of floppies and mail them to Apple (Priority Mail, of course) and have it loaded on the remote server faster than I can move it via iDisk (WebDAV).

[Mosco]

Originally posted by Balooba
You misunderstand the issue about FW800 drives. Two FW400 is not the same as one FW800 drive.
:D

I think he understands that...

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
safari crashes CONSTANTLY on me (dual 1.42 powermac), Id say I havent been able to use it for more then 10 minutes straight with it no crashing. Also mail has been a pain with crashing, its just that I was used to jaguar where those two things almost never ever crashed on me.

I also have a dual-1.42 PM.

No problems with Safari... or, really, anything with Panther (I don't use FileVault or FW800 external drives, though).

I did an "archive and install".

[rjwill246]

Originally posted by sweetsdream
It's funny. Every time an update or upgrade comes out, I read on the forums about people having constant crashing or losing their files.

As I posted earlier, I have a large number of Macs and am responsible for a dozen others and there has never been a problem with any of them. It may well be the 3rd party issues are the root of all this as every standard off the shelf Mac would be affected if it were a problem basic to the OS. I think that if any haxies have been done to the OS, Apple cannot and should not be expected to be concerned about the potentially serious results that might follow. Standard add ons though are another story, but again, why did these issues not show up in the beta phase?

[arn]

Originally posted by Balooba
You misunderstand the issue about FW800 drives. Two FW400 is not the same as one FW800 drive.
:D

There were some scattered reports of FW400 issues.

arn

[mainstreetmark]

I just did the update and restarted and I had a new icon in the Dock labeled 'Safari' but the icon itself was a transparent questionmark. I poofed it off the dock, and no longer have the 'problem'. The regular Safari is still, and always has been, there.

[davidg]

For what it's worth - Windows XP had similar problems with IDE drives. Hardware related. The drive interface (on most drives) incorrectly reported back status on shutdown. In fact, WinXP still has similar issues with some drives, even Firewire, not cleanly shutting down because the drives report back incorrect information. Like Apple, MSFT's woes appear not have been their fault.

[TomSmithMacEd]

Nothing wrong with 10.3 here upgraded to 10.3.1 still no troubles. Wow I'm so glad to be an offical switcher!

[FelixDerKater]

Still not able to install 10.3, so a 10.3.1 update is useless. Apple support said they didn't have the discs available to send me in replacement and didn't know when they would have more, but a call to the Apple Store revealed that they do have 10.3 available. I have been through two sets of discs (both from the same batch). Apple said they would overnight me a set of discs they "knew came from a good batch." This was on Thursday. I still don't have the discs. Now I'm on my third Jaguar reinstall. I guess I'll get to Panther at some point. Until then, Apple isn't on my list of favorite companies.

[Powerbook G5]

What happened with your Panther discs?

[Makosuke]

Just put 10.3.1 on a DP1000 G4 and no obvious problems or differences.

[edit:] I also noticed that for the first time ever, no permissions repairs were necessary after the update! Getting smoother, it would seem.

For those with network problems, the notes say nothing about changes to the networking code, so I seriously doubt this will make any difference (it shouldn't, anyway).

As for the FW400 issues (and yes, there have been reports of some, for example at MacFixIt--exactly what the cause or how prevalent is not common, but I'm being cautions), unless there was some bizzare and unexpected recursion in the FW800 code, I'm assuming that this update won't fix it.

Unless, that is, Apple actually updated the entire FW subsystem and just isn't mentioning it because they don't want to acknowledge there was anything wrong outside of the FW800 firmware glitch.

On a more general note, it's probably a good idea to keep the severity of the FireWire issues in perspective; one assumes there are thousands of FW800 cases out there being used by high end Mac users, and many times that many FW400 cases. Considering that, if you look at Apple's discussion boards, there are not a huge number of people actually reporting data corruption, and LaCie said they were having trouble reproducing the bug in "real world"-style testing, I'm guessing FW800 corruption isn't as automatic an issue as some people might be feeling.

And considering that there are far fewer reports of FW400 problems despite there being tens if not hundreds of times as many FW400 cases in the wild, whatever the issue is is probably very difficult to reproduce, and requires some very specific combintation of circumstances or hardware for it to happen.

My point is, I'm not assuming that whatever is going on with FW400 drives is a really obvious problem for Apple--it's severe, but very rare.

[chickengrease16]

updated fine, no problems. ichat wouldnt open a link that someone sent me in an IM, but that seemed to only happen once and it works fine now. seemed to take longer booting up, on the waiting for network initialization or whatever. maybe that was just because i had updated the OS. i'll try rebooting later to see if it hangs again.

for what its worth: 15" powerbook, 1GHz G4, 768MB, 60GB, airport, superdrive. attached devices: 15GB ipod, Canon Powershot S230.

[physicsnerd]

I updated my 1ghz Tibook to 10.3.1. I have had zero problems so far.

[lucab1982]

Anyone had any luck with faxing under 10.3.1?

In 10.3 it didnt work at all for me and many other users.

[Kirtus]

Anyone not finding the update. I open system prefs and click software update then click check now and it tells me no updates abailable. But I am still running 7B85. Any thoughts?

[aaron128]

Just successfully updated to 10.3.1 ... no problems. The system "hacks" I'm running are CandyBar, VirtualDesktop, Little Snitch, Detour (thus APE), and MaxMenus. I think I may have changed something with the latest TinkerTool, but I forget.

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by Kirtus
Anyone not finding the update. I open system prefs and click software update then click check now and it tells me no updates abailable. But I am still running 7B85. Any thoughts?

How about the fact you're running 7B85 and are trying to update it to a final retail.

[stefman]

So has anyone been brave enough to turn on FileVault for the first time AFTER upgrading to 10.3.1?

Just curious if there is still issues.

I don't wanna be the guinea pig:D

[Kirtus]

I did a fresh install from the disks sent to me on the 24th. I was supposed to be a retail version. What is the buid for the retail version?

[stcanard]

Just updated on a ALPB 15 and no problems so far. Of course it is ~ 10 seconds after I updated...

Weird thing, though, it made me send my registration info to Apple again. Anybody else seen this?

[QCassidy352]

Originally posted by blueBomber
How about the fact you're running 7B85 and are trying to update it to a final retail.

7B85 is the final retail release.

[ITR 81]

The retail version number should be on this site somewhere.
10.3.1 is now 7C107
With Kernel: Darwin 7.0.0

[Nicky G]

I am sorry to report that the update does not appear to have corrected the issue of GeForce4MX cards not being properly supported in G4 Sawtooth (AGP graphics) towers -- OpenGL is not working properly in almost any app (Folding@Home, Tranquility, Sonasphere, etc.), nor does Quartz Extreme seem to be fully supported (Quicktime movies play in the Dock, but I see no rotating cube effect when using Fast User Switching). General graphics performance is still worse than what I saw using Jaguar, which did properly support my card.

I did get the updated GeForce driver from OWC, so I can generally use my computer for most tasks -- but this is still really lame. Maybe Apple is waiting on re-written drivers from NVIDIA or something, who knows. *sigh*

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
7B85 is the final retail release.

But if he is running a developer seed version of the final release, wouldn't this stop him from seeing the patch in software update?

[MacLV]

Originally posted by blueBomber
How about the fact you're running 7B85 and are trying to update it to a final retail.
I updated from 7B85 w/o a problem. I hope that this isn't another 10.2.8 premature posting... still can't find it on apple.

Edit: updated from prerelease 7B85

[ITR 81]

Apple probably just hasn't updated it's website yet. It will probably be up later tonight or tomorrow.

[arn]

Originally posted by blueBomber
But if he is running a developer seed version of the final release, wouldn't this stop him from seeing the patch in software update?

Developer 7B85 = Retail 7B85

7B85 is 7B85

arn

[jamesatzones]

I just installed the update and now Xbench crashes right after the graphics test. No other problems so far...

[rayzor]

Smoooooth baby

[achmafooma]

Originally posted by stefman
So has anyone been brave enough to turn on FileVault for the first time AFTER upgrading to 10.3.1?

Just curious if there is still issues.

I don't wanna be the guinea pig:D
I just activated it myself, no problems yet. I had it running right after Panther came out, and I never said "okay!" when it asked about reclaiming disk space, so I never had trouble.

I started getting paranoid at all the horror stories and turned it off. Now, after the update, it's back on. So far so good.

Since I'm running it on my iBook (and have my PowerMac for all the important things) I'll go ahead and reclaim the space if it ever asks me to (hasn't yet) and let you know if anything terrible happens.

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by arn
Developer 7B85 = Retail 7B85

7B85 is 7B85

arn

gotcha, sorry all

[dho]

Originally posted by nick.hill
oh bloody hell.

Nice suprise, 10.3.1 available, little ol lemming me just says yes and now after the re-boot it wont start up.

The white apple logo apears, it goes along for a while and then the logo is replaced by a big cricle with a dash in grey. Then it stays silent for ages.

I've ried reseting, takint he batery out. wearing a hat. Everything.

No I want to cry, any ideas or is this 10.2.8 all over again?

N

I have seen that before. I would suggest you try reseting your pram
as i remember it, selecting the startup disk manually by holding the option key fixed that for me before

One of the situations I experienced this was when i was installing os x server on one partition and debian on another, so hope this is relevant.

good luck

[Solkar]

No problems here.

iMac DV SE 400.

[Anders Agerskov]

Upgraded to 10.3.1. Firewire drive still does not work... My office Wintel machine has worked more or less fine for a couple of years now... Apple needs to take reliability issues serious - think iPhoto capacity, finder breaking down with large number of files in a directory, memory leakages here and there, etc.

[CybrCyfr]

Originally posted by nick.hill
oh bloody hell.

Nice suprise, 10.3.1 available, little ol lemming me just says yes and now after the re-boot it wont start up.

The white apple logo apears, it goes along for a while and then the logo is replaced by a big cricle with a dash in grey. Then it stays silent for ages.

I've ried reseting, takint he batery out. wearing a hat. Everything.

No I want to cry, any ideas or is this 10.2.8 all over again?

N

Same problems on my iBook, but I figured it was due to running a beta build... Not the hardware. I just archived and installed and everything works fine again...

[stoid]

It's about time! My laptop has been running straight well into the double digit days, and I need an excuse to shut it down and clean it off once.

[ITR 81]

Originally posted by Anders Agerskov
Upgraded to 10.3.1. Firewire drive still does not work... My office Wintel machine has worked more or less fine for a couple of years now... Apple needs to take reliability issues serious - think iPhoto capacity, finder breaking down with large number of files in a directory, memory leakages here and there, etc.

Update your firmware. The firewire issue is mostly hardware issue. Apple just released some drivers to help it out on it side but if your firmware is not updated it will not help at all.

Most folks started working well with just the firmware update.

[Balooba]

Originally posted by arn
Developer 7B85 = Retail 7B85

7B85 is 7B85

arn
Yes and No

Panther 10.3 = Pre-release 7B85

But an installation of the 3 CD:s containing PR 7B85 is not the exactly the same as an installation of from the final release CD:s.

The installer CD:s do differ even if the System Core components are identical. Most obvious the CD:s differ in Classic and fonts but also other things were included in the final release.

I would not sleep well with the prerelease version installed.

[GregGomer]

I'm running the developer build. I see the updage fine in software update.

Now I don't understand the logic that the developer build is siginificantly different from the retail build. Why would it have the same build number then, as the point of a build number is to differentiate and help you keep track of builds and build differences.

Yes the Developer CD and Retail CD will be slightly different as the Developer build comes as many downloads that you unstuff and create on disk image from. So if you compare a CD burned from that disk image and a Retail CD, chances are they won't be identical. The CD's that is won't be identical. I agree with Arn however that the software that installs should be the same for all intesive purposes.

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by Balooba
Yes and No

Panther 10.3 = Pre-release 7B85

But an installation of the 3 CD:s containing PR 7B85 is not the exactly the same as an installation of from the final release CD:s.

The installer CD:s do differ even if the System Core components are identical. Most obvious the CD:s differ in Classic and fonts but also other things were included in the final release.

I would not sleep well with the prerelease version installed.

The installation is identical... the CDs differ since the retail has OS 9 drivers.

If they weren't the same, developers would be screwed since they would be developing software for the wrong version... do you think they really pay that many thousands to get builds early for no reason?

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by rayzor
Smoooooth baby

I've just had that experience--the first time since Jaguar had the Repair Permissions buttons.

[Balooba]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
The installation is identical... the CDs differ since the retail has OS 9 drivers.

If they weren't the same, developers would be screwed since they would be developing software for the wrong version... do you think they really pay that many thousands to get builds early for no reason?

Is this what you are assuming/guessing/hoping or what you have determined by checking? Did you run the unix diff command on the installers? Let me tell you that there are more differences than just the OS9 drivers between the last developer seed installation and the final release installation...

To answer your question, yes. I am a developer and 7B21 was fine enough for my development with some minor adjustments when the final version came out.

Still, the 10.3 system build itself is of course the same as 7B85 and it is likely that Software update will recognize it. But the installations are very similar but NOT identical.

They might or might not be similar enough for you.

[dbally]

I installed the update on an ibook 900mhz. I rebooted and it froze, thinking, on the blue screen. I rebooted again and everything seems to be working fine now . . . hope it stays well.

[iEric]

The update made my G4 really really slow!!

[Nermal]

My Panther hasn't arrived yet and it's already out of date :( I'm so sick of waiting that I've taken to getting it off BitTorrent, which has decided to go really slow. I can't win :(

[Sol]

Originally posted by Nermal
My Panther hasn't arrived yet and it's already out of date :( I'm so sick of waiting that I've taken to getting it off BitTorrent, which has decided to go really slow. I can't win :(

If you install the pirate version of Panther do us all a favour and do not post any complaints about your computer slowing down, FireWire drives corrupting, FileVault not working etc. Pirate software comes with no guarantees and if it leads to data loss then you would be getting what you deserve for using it.

[sethypoo]

I still don't trust File Vault.

It froze up after I downloaded a song on Apple's iTunes Music Store.

Bad, bad integration! Apple programs are not supposed to lock up due to each other.

I had to delete my iTunes music data file, which made all my playlists dissappear. I was m-a-d.

Too many errors, this is most unlike Apple, as far as I can see!

Anyone agree?

[stcanard]

Originally posted by Sol
If you install the pirate version of Panther...

Honestly, I can understand the frustration.

I ordered my copy of Panther on the day it was announced (Oct 8). On Oct 29th when I got the message that it was delayed _yet again_ (and people on mac rumors who had ordered on Oct 27th were accepting deliveries, and I could see the boxes sitting in the store) I had pretty much decided ****** them and was going to get it off bittorrent so I didn't have to delay setting up my computer anymore. Fortunately they acutally shipped it on the 29th and I didn't have to do that.

Apple has a way of completely screwing up their priorities and driving people with good intentions to bad deeds. If he's ordered it and has gotten frustrated watching other people get Panther while he's still waiting, I can completely understand. I was there.

Of course if it's just an excuse to pirate, that's another matter.

[edesignuk]

So far things look good, but I think I'll still give it another day or to, just to be on the safe side ;)

[DarkPhoenixCA]

Haven't had a single problem with Panther on my new 17" PB, even with FileVault on.

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by morlium
I don't think this update was originally planned. Rather, it needed to get out quickly to quell the rash of articles exposing Pather's major problems. By releasing thus update, Apple can tote Panther again without any serious rebuttle.

I'd look for 10.3.2 to fix up the rest of the cosemetic bugs (which would otherwise have been 10.3.1, if not for the File Vault issues).

I agree. Usually the .0.1 release is so big people complain about the size. This is just 10.3.0 - Take 2 in my thinking.

[rauf]

Installed the update in my eMac now, as well as my iBook G4, both hassle free. No glitches.

Repar permissions had quite a bit to do on the iBook (brand new, clean install yesterday) but came up clean on the eMac which has been running Panther for the last 2 weeks now.

I presume, like a good pair shoes, panther needs bedding in time????



:cool:

[iversys]

I was having problems on my TiBook 400 with iTunes and iPhoto. I did a 10.3 upgrade and after the .1 update I finally remembered to repair permissions (oops). The crashing seems to have stopped.
Scott

[MacBandit]

Updated and the only difference I see is that my floating system clock now retains it's translucency through restart and logout. It didn't before.

As for any problems period with 10.3, nope, nada, nothing. So far 10.3 is superior to 10.2.8 in almost every fashion.

I too have a dual 1.42 and as for Safari crashing? Not since the beta release. Also Mail hasn't crashed for me since installing 10.3 and it was with 10.2.8.

[AmigoMac]

When my PB comes back from screen saver or sleep mode, asking my password I get always the character palette top right... I have the PB to work with English, Spanish and German. Most American haven't noticed that... guess ;), I remember now, after the update and restart, a finder window and the character palette were there... maybe different languages setup has nothing to do, maybe those with the character palette activated... Someone else?

[F/reW/re]

And all I get is a circle with a line thrue when i start up my iBook. :(
Apple is starting to bother me!

[F/reW/re]

Originally posted by robbieduncan
I just installed this on my iBook which was still running the ancient 7B21 pre-release. It killed it. I am not massively surprised by this as the installer warned me I would not be able to upgrade to the final release.

Be warned!

doh, I surly should have read this before updating :(

[Wotan]

After instaling os x 10.3.1 my DVD won't play, first like 5 hours ago it didn't even wanted to recognize the DVD, after the computer rested (weard isn't it) now when putting the DVD it turns on the DVD Player 4.0 but it won't play it.

I have a PowerBook 17"
I have try different Dvd's
I have try restarted etc.

HELP...!!!!

[ITR 81]

I just tried The Rock and it played fine like always. I have PB 15.2 Titianum.

I would try restarting it and then try again.

[Wotan]

Originally posted by ITR 81
I would try restarting it and then try again.

it didn't worked..

Is there a new version of DVD player? I have 4.0.

Or how can I re-install DVD Player?

Or maybe was a MSN Messanger that try to installed..

I am confused?

[h'biki]

Originally posted by Wotan
After instaling os x 10.3.1 my DVD won't play, first like 5 hours ago it didn't even wanted to recognize the DVD, after the computer rested (weard isn't it) now when putting the DVD it turns on the DVD Player 4.0 but it won't play it.

I have a PowerBook 17"
I have try different Dvd's
I have try restarted etc.

HELP...!!!!

Have you repaired permissions?

Install applejack ( http://applejack.sourceforge.net ) and run it from the command line at boot up.

Also, try VLC ( http://www.videolan.org ) to play the DVD..

[Awimoway]

The FW800 issue really frightened me away from ever again trying to live on the bleeding edge (even though my only external drive, a FW400 LaCie, was unharmed). I was going to wait a long time to mess with 10.3.1, but tonight my SMB networking was acting really weird, and I decided to take the plunge. The weirdness continued for a while after the installation and restart, but now all is well again.

I, too, am pleasantly amazed to see that no permissions needed repairing after the upgrade.

[kangaroo]

Several hours after updating & restarting--my keyboard froze. :mad: I have no idea if this is a consequence of updating or if it would have happened anyway but disturbing none the less. I had to force a shut down and upon restart the keyboard was back.

[duce]

Thanks for reminding me to conduct a "Repair Permissions". Apple should advise everyone to do this it would avoid allot of unnecessary issues.

[encro]

Originally posted by SeaFox
I agree. Usually the .0.1 release is so big people complain about the size. This is just 10.3.0 - Take 2 in my thinking.

Agreed, there is no increment in the Kernel version which is usually updated when a new point version is released also...

unix-aggression:~ steve$ uname -sr
Darwin 7.0.0

[encro]

Originally posted by h'biki

Install applejack ( http://applejack.sourceforge.net ) and run it from the command line at boot up.


AppleJack 1.2 is officially not compatible with Panther.

The developer (Kristofer Widholm) is currently working on a 1.3 release which should hopefully be ready by the 15th of November.

[zac4mac]

Seems to be working fine on a DPG4550 and a DPG5-2GHz. Haven't loaded Panther on my iBook yet, but OK on the towers so far. Had an issue with my G4 and DVD player, but just ran 10.3.1 on it and checked and it's working OK.
Also haven't tried FileVault again. No real need for local security, I'm the only one here.

[bitfactory]

don't freak out kids - the installer/update works fine... 99.99% of the ppl who have trouble are on systems with 50 'haxies' or they are trying to update from a beta version of the OS - tsk, tsk.

[Wotan]

I have an original Panther
In fact the computer is only one week old, and I was watching a dvd fine, but then I interrupted to get online for a while and saw the update.. and BOOM...!! Here I go, like me... not resisting the fact that there is something NEWWWW.... for my mac.. and when I updated 10.3.1 I couldnt used again my DVD.

What are the steps to fix a dvd, because sometimes it does recognize the DVD but still doesn't play it, and some other times after restarting it it won't even knows is there?

So how do I know if this is a software problem (like dvd player) or this is the Powerbook "machine" problema...?

[kcmac]

Wotan,

Why don't you call Apple? You have a new machine.

[Wotan]

Originally posted by kcmac
Wotan,

Why don't you call Apple? You have a new machine.

I got the problem since last night, after 9 and today it seems they don´t work. And you know that when you have your computer not working you just NEEDDD..!!! to fix it at that presice moment.


Thank you anyway.. I will do it tomorrow and stop trying more new things..

[Bengt77]

Get 10.3.1 here (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120271) if you want it as a disk image instead of doing it directly with Software Update.

[allpar]

Thought I'd also chime in. 10.3 upgrade (no archive & install) went just fine. 10.31 went just fine. NO problems except that 10.3 reinstalled Java 1.31, and iTunes seems to have reverted to version 3 - both quickly fixed via downloads. Other than that, all seems fine. FontBook works perfectly for me with a decent number of fonts - not several hundred, but more than most people, including many I got way back in the 1980s - Classic was updated and works fine, too.

I LOVE THE SNAPPINESS OF 10.3. OS X was driving me nuts before with its brief delays before doing anything...10.3 solves that...all the other stuff is just gravy.

And I am *SO* looking forward to FileVault once I'm convinced it works.

[Balooba]

Originally posted by AmigoMac
When my PB comes back from screen saver or sleep mode, asking my password I get always the character palette top right... I have the PB to work with English, Spanish and German. Most American haven't noticed that... guess ;), I remember now, after the update and restart, a finder window and the character palette were there... maybe different languages setup has nothing to do, maybe those with the character palette activated... Someone else?
I also got the character palette popping up after isntalling Panther. For me it appeared when I logged in, logged out and some other times too.
My solution was to remove the character palette from the Input Menu. Now it is harder to access but at least it doesn't pop up randomly on the screen. :rolleyes: I am not sure if 10.3.1 would prevent this bug but it was there in 10.3.

[tny]

Originally posted by AmigoMac
When my PB comes back from screen saver or sleep mode, asking my password I get always the character palette top right... I have the PB to work with English, Spanish and German. Most American haven't noticed that... guess ;), I remember now, after the update and restart, a finder window and the character palette were there... maybe different languages setup has nothing to do, maybe those with the character palette activated... Someone else?
I have US English, Japanese, and a beta of an ancient Greek keyboard installed and on my keyboards menu and never get the character palette unless I ask for it. So no, it's not just that most Americans haven't noticed it.

[tny]

Working well so far. I have a Lacie FW400 drive (80 GB, so it's probably not the Oxford chip that's known to lie at the heart of the FW800 issue) and do not use FileVault (I used disk utility to create an encrypted disk image instead; much more managable, as I can put the thing where I want it, and it doesn't try to encrypt my videos, music, etc.)

[greg6028]

Is anyone having problems with System Prefs? I just upgraded to 10.3.1 and wanted to change my desktop/screensaver. The desktop/screensaver show up for a bit then crashes!
Scary...this isn't 10.2.8 is it? I am having the problem on my 15" flat iMac. I am too scared to upgrage my powerbook now.

[Powerbook G5]

I've had no problems with crashing since update, did you repair permissions? I ran it and had to repair a few after I updated.

[allpar]

For backup reasons, I keep my music and photo libraries separate anyway, on a different volume (hard drive is partitioned) along with other big stuff I back up onto an external hard drive but not onto DVD-RAM. So none if it's in my home folder, which would probably help keep File Vault manageable. This should really be recommended by Apple.

Come to think of it, I'm STILL amazed that Apple doesn't (a) automatically fix permissions periodically when it does its other cron tasks, (b) fix permissions when upgrading the system, and (c) send e-mails to its known user base (like me) when a MAJOR bug like the Firewire thing comes up.

[AmigoMac]

Originally posted by tny
I have US English, Japanese, and a beta of an ancient Greek keyboard installed and on my keyboards menu and never get the character palette unless I ask for it. So no, it's not just that most Americans haven't noticed it.

You are out of most of americans... feel happy, but first get what I mean ;) ... ohhh BTW, since this morning I've had 4 times my PB sleeping and suddenly that palette is not coming back...

[wdlove]

Maybe this update will help with my wife's wireless issue on her 15" PB. Anyway she will know for sure after visiting our local Apple Store.

[kangaroo]

Since I'm new to this...

I keep reading references to 'repairing permissions'. How would one know if permissions need to be repaired and what is the simplest/safest way to do it? (Someone mentioned a 3rd party utility that <currently> isn't Panther compatible). Does Apple provide a way to do this?

[Balooba]

Originally posted by kangaroo
Since I'm new to this...

I keep reading references to 'repairing permissions'. How would one know if permissions need to be repaired and what is the simplest/safest way to do it? (Someone mentioned a 3rd party utility that <currently> isn't Panther compatible). Does Apple provide a way to do this?

Apple provides the (as far as I know) the ONLY utility for repairing permissions. Run Disk Utility. It is located in Applications:Utilities. Select your disk and repair permissions.

This is #1, #2, and #3 in problem solving. Apple should have this being done automatically as part of the cron things like every week or so and after (and preferably also before) any software update.

Mac forums should have this in their "Before you post!" texts.

[greg6028]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I've had no problems with crashing since update, did you repair permissions? I ran it and had to repair a few after I updated.

Where is that located?

[Powerbook G5]

Go to Applications>Utilities>Disk Utility and click on your HD and there should be a "Repair Permissions" button.

[greg6028]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Go to Applications>Utilities>Disk Utility and click on your HD and there should be a "Repair Permissions" button.
I found it, but does it exactly do?

[Powerbook G5]

Repairing Permissions goes back to the Unix foundation which OS X is built upon. Everything on your HD has permissions for read/write and basically using or manipulating files and every once in a while through upgrading, installing, deleting, etc, these permissions are broken and need to be fixed. When permissions aren't like they should be, you can experience odd behavior such as crashing, slowdown, glitches, etc. It's basically recommended that you repair your permissions before or after major installs or upgrades to your software.

[greg6028]

Thanks for the info!!!
(Is this different that repair disk?)

[Powerbook G5]

Disk repair fixes actual corruption or problems with the HD, repairing permissions just fixes inconsistencies with the file permissions. I am not able to explain it as well as some of the more advanced Unix/computer literate users here can since I myself am new to both OS X and Unix itself.

[Makosuke]

The symptoms can be very similar, but a simple way to think of the difference between "Repair Permissions" and "Repair Disk" is this:

Repairing permissions fixes problems with the way certain files are set up on your disk. The files aren't broken, they just aren't "set up" quite right. Repairing a disk fixes problems with the way data is being stored on your disk. In that case, something is actually wrong with the data (or, more accurately, with the way your computer knows where to find it).

Generally speaking, if your computer hasn't crashed or been shut down improperly recently (power outage) repairing the disk should rarely be necessary; disk corruption issues that it might fix are much rarer now than they used to be. Enabling Journaling (which is enabled by default on your startup drive with 10.3) makes these sorts of problems even more uncommon.

Fixing permissions is, however, much more necessary at this stage of OSX's evolution. Generally a good idea to run it any time you install new software.

And about the Character Palette issue: I've got Japanese and English enabled on three different accounts on two different computers, and I've never once had it pop up when I didn't ask for it. And I might add that the Character Palette is, for someone semi-versed in Japanese but not a native speaker, possibly the most useful addition to the OS EVER. Like a dictionary and a half, built in, and 10.3 makes selecting pretty fonts with it even easier.

Long Live Character Palette!

[Ambrose Chapel]

i have one question about repairing permissions - in disc utility i can select 2 icons for my Ti's lone HD, one on top with the manufacturer's name (i think) and one under that with the name i've given it. i get more options if i select the top icon, but the verify/repair permissions buttons are clickable no matter which icon i select. does it make any difference which icon i click for repairing permissions?

[MacBandit]

Repairing Disk Permisssions

I wrote up this explanation and how-to a while back on repairing disk permissions but it still applies and will answer all the questions seen here in a little more depth.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17722&highlight=permissions

[Makosuke]

Forgot to mention that the same thing that Disk Utility's "Repair Disk" does is run automatically at startup if your computer didn't shut down properly, so there's almost no reason to run it manually--I've never once seen it come up with any problems.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Makosuke
Forgot to mention that the same thing that Disk Utility's "Repair Disk" does is run automatically at startup if your computer didn't shut down properly, so there's almost no reason to run it manually--I've never once seen it come up with any problems.

That use to be true for 10.2 but now with 10.3 the standard installation has Journaling turned on by default. Due to journaling there is no reason for disk repair to be run at all. So basically with 10.3 if you have a system crash and a force restart it will not be run because it is unnecessary.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
i have one question about repairing permissions - in disc utility i can select 2 icons for my Ti's lone HD, one on top with the manufacturer's name (i think) and one under that with the name i've given it. i get more options if i select the top icon, but the verify/repair permissions buttons are clickable no matter which icon i select. does it make any difference which icon i click for repairing permissions?

No it does not matter as long as you have the option to do the repair.

[Ambrose Chapel]

thanks MacBandit :)

[techne]

Just upgraded to 10.3.1 in my Pismo 500. Previously owned no haxies or skins, not filevault enabled. In the first reboot the login window took its sweet time to appear and I was expecting the worst. I logged in, reboot again and everything is cool as usual. Despite some comments on Expose degradation after 10.3.1, I notice no difference. It kicks azz (is that word censored?) as usual with iTunes, iPhoto, Mail, Safari and Yahoo applications open. I hope it helps to low the new-upgrade-oh-my anxiety syndrome in fellow Pismo heads.

[kangaroo]

Thanks for all the info on permissions. :D

I'm just ran 'Verify Permissions' and, to my surprise, it generated quite a list of problems--'Permissions differ on ...' etc.

I think someone else mentioned it but...why doesn't the OS do this in the background? To use a harddrive analogy--it's like the system is capable of identifying bad sectors but waits for me to ask it to do it. In the mean time, the system may attempt to write to that bad sector--with nasty consequences. Seems illogical. :rolleyes:

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by kangaroo
Thanks for all the info on permissions. :D

I'm just ran 'Verify Permissions' and, to my surprise, it generated quite a list of problems--'Permissions differ on ...' etc.

I think someone else mentioned it but...why doesn't the OS do this in the background? To use a harddrive analogy--it's like the system is capable of identifying bad sectors but waits for me to ask it to do it. In the mean time, the system may attempt to write to that bad sector--with nasty consequences. Seems illogical. :rolleyes:

It's suppose to do so starting with 10.2 it was supposedly suppose to repair permissions on startup. I think Apple takes the same line of logic that I do that you can't do a proper repair without starting up off the install CD. Even if you do a repair from your active system/drive I recommend restarting afterwards.

[beerguy]

As a long time Unix geek the fact that there is even a "repair permissions" button befuddles me. Permissions shouldn't change if software is written correctly. No other *nix based system has this kind of issue.


Can someone explain, since I'm fairly new to Apple stuff, why they get screwed up?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by beerguy
As a long time Unix geek the fact that there is even a "repair permissions" button befuddles me. Permissions shouldn't change if software is written correctly. No other *nix based system has this kind of issue.


Can someone explain, since I'm fairly new to Apple stuff, why they get screwed up?

You're as confused as I believe the rest of us are. I've been looking for an explanation about this since we all learned you needed to repair permissions 2 years ago. I think at this point Apples the only who really knows but they aren't talking.

[bousozoku]

There's only one reason I can see that permissions would be incorrect.

When the software is put into a package for distribution, they've used an account with custom authorities which is not available to the machine on which the software is being installed.

When the software is installed, it says something like "user account not found--defaulting" and the default does not have proper authorities. I would think that it would just do a chown to the current user or administrator, but that might be too precise. ;)

[chanoc]

Before the update countless apps were crashing, including essential apps like Office and Photoshop. Updated and now the system is stable. Thank you Apple.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by chanoc
Before the update countless apps were crashing, including essential apps like Office and Photoshop. Updated and now the system is stable. Thank you Apple.

From the reports I have been hearing and the list of fixes Apple published this update shouldn't have fixed anything like that for you. Most likely it corrected some permissions that were off or if you did an update install of 10.3 it may have resolved some left over issues from that.

[Powerbook G5]

Finder crashed twice on me within 10 minutes of a clean install of Panther, which made me more than upset until I figured I'd check permissions, and much to my surprise, there was a *huge* (and I mean huge) list of permissions that were wrong. Once I fixed them, Panther was fast and stable. Don't ask me how or why, but for some reason, a clean install of 10.3 leaves your system a mess of bad permissions.

[sgtlmj]

Originally posted by sweetsdream
I think there are a lot of Windows users out there that would love to switch to Apple but all the see and hear are the problems. Maybe you are to blame and not Apple.

Aint skeerd, I'm switching anyway!!! This is so mild compared to board posts when 95, 98, Me and XP first came out.

I'm borrowing a relative's iMac G4 to upgrade to Panther for her. Just got the disks and did the clean install yesterday. Smooth is all I can say. It's an excellent opportunity to help her and for me to learn more about the Mac. I was ready to switch before I touched this thing, but now I'm hooked!

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by sgtlmj
Aint skeerd, I'm switching anyway!!! This is so mild compared to board posts when 95, 98, Me and XP first came out.

I'm borrowing a relative's iMac G4 to upgrade to Panther for her. Just got the disks and did the clean install yesterday. Smooth is all I can say. It's an excellent opportunity to help her and for me to learn more about the Mac. I was ready to switch before I touched this thing, but now I'm hooked!

Welcome aboard, mate (That sounds awfully weird coming from someone up in WI, eh? ;))!

Anyway, it's great that the mac community is growing so well. As many problems as we've had with Apple, I still don't think of them as the lesser of the two evils. And although I'm not such a power user that I know everything that is discussed in these forums, I feel like I know enough to get me in trouble. I think the product that Apple has to offer is FAR superior to what other computer hardware/software companies have. They can't hold a candle to Apple!

Again, welcome, sgtlmj!