20inch iMac and Dual 1.8Ghz G5?

[MacRumors]

As posted on Page 2 (20" iMac) (http://page2.macrumors.com), ThinkSecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/nov03hardware.html) provides confirmation of the 20" iMac... as well as a new Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac.

The company will soon announce 20-inch flat-panel iMacs as well as Dual-1.8GHz Power Mac G5s, according to reports.

Older rumors had been predicted 19" iMacs (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/09/20020927205304.shtml) in the past, but this product had never previously materialized. As well, the production of Dual 1.8GHz G5 PowerMacs were rumored back in July (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/07/20030731035238.shtml) as a way to shift demand from the popular 2.0GHz PowerMac G5s.

ThinkSecret predicts tomorrow as a possible launch day, coinciding (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/11/20031117144323.shtml) with the Page 2 report.

Previous rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/11/20031112130651.shtml) had pointed to significant announcements this week as well as a music-related Apple Store event on November 28th.

[MattG]

Whaaaaaaaaat??

20" iMac would be very cool. Hope it's true!

[~Shard~]

Hmm, and I was just about to put an order in for a 17" iMac... :(

Any idea if we'll see other upgrades to the system, or just a larger screen and therefore a higher price?

[Phatpat]

From the thinksecret article:

"One source also said that another product is in the pipeline for future announcement in the sub-$1000 range, and we’re seeking further details."

I like that in addition to the other goodies :-)

[MattG]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Hmm, and I was just about to put an order in for a 17" iMac... :(

Any idea if we'll see other upgrades to the system, or just a larger screen and therefore a higher price? I'd wait until tomorrow...

According to ThinkSecret, it'll be basically the same as the current 17", just with a 20" screen.

[gwuMACaddict]

20inch imac would be VERY cool... now just slap a g5 in it

[Freakk123]

Thats pretty sweet... Would the single 1.8 GHz G5 drop out? Or would they both sell? But anyway, a 20" iMac (Widescreen, I presume) would be sooo sweet... Can't way to see how this turns out.

[edesignuk]

Hmmm...wouldn't a 20" screen hanging off that arm make the whole thing a bit unstable?

edit: and 20" cinema = £1,049(!), ergo, 20" iMac ££££££££££ :eek:

[~Shard~]

It will be interesting to see if Apple will upgrade some of the iMac's guts as well, if it does indeed upgrade the screen like this. A 20" LCD is quite an investment, and it seems funny to pair that with a machine that isn't really futureproofed. It would kind of suck to have a brilliant 20" LCD but have it attached to a machine that in 2-3 years will be antiquated. (That is, if it stays with the G4.)

I don't know if the iMac will move to a G5 this quick, but some other small upgrades (Serial ATA, DDR400 MHz RAM) would be nice. Although they did just release new upgrades 2 months ago... Oooh, how about an 8x SuperDrive as a nice surprise no one saw coming? ;)

[kcmac]

Most of the posts regarding the iMac haven't been asking for a larger screen. They have been asking for more speed, a better card and/or a significant decrease in price.

I can't see people flooding the stores for a bigger screen.

If we see anything soon, I believe it will have to be much more than just a screen. If it does happen, should we expect the 17" to drop significantly?

[MattG]

What would be cool is if they made a 20" iMac with a bigger base to support that large screen...and since they'd have extra room in this bigger base, they could beef up the components as well. Better video, more RAM capacity perhaps?

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Hmmm...wouldn't a 20" screen hanging off that arm make the whole thing a bit unstable?

Not if the redo the arm!

[Spock]

Bring on the 20" Powerbooks with G5's also

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by MattG
What would be cool is if they made a 20" iMac with a bigger base to support that large screen...and since they'd have extra room in this bigger base, they could beef up the components as well. Better video, more RAM capacity perhaps?


Maybe this is all that was meant by the stories that the iMac's form is being revised.

[MattG]

Originally posted by Awimoway
Maybe this is all that was meant by the stories that the iMac's form is being revised. Yes...maybe the current iMacs will stay the same, and the new 20" model will be totally different, new body and all. Hmm...

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Spock
Bring on the 20" Powerbooks with G5's also
No matter how big the arm, the screen will still be heavy, I can't see how given the size of the iMac base a 20" screen on even a short arm could stand up (unless mounted directly above the base, not able to hang in front/to the side)

[sjjordan]

20 inch powerbook?!!

It'd have a sleeping bag for a dust cover

[AirUncleP]

If true, it sounds to me like Apple is making a big holiday push. I can just see the ad now, " Two i's are better than one. Buy the new 20" iMac along with an iPod and get 40 free songs off the iTunes music store for FREEEEEE!!!!!"

[fussball]

A 20" display would work on the current base without much trouble other than stiffening the internals of the current arm, I would think.


I wonder if those 1.42 ghz G4 processors from the MDD G4 towers would go in as well?

[-hh]

Originally posted by Macrumors
... as well as a new Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac.

Well, we do know that there's essentially no technical challenge to putting together a DP 1.8GHz.

--> has anyone DIY'ed a DP 1.8GHz PowerMac on their own yet?


The real question will be if Apple chooses to offer a DP 1.8GHz upgrade kit for those of us with SP 1.8GHz PowerMac's.


-hh

[toughboy]

Lets wait and see...

if there is something that I'm sure about the presumed coming 20" imac, it is the price.. It will be really high!.. but it would be so nice and sweet on the other hand.. Plus 20" is a big investment as one of the pals said.. who would want to throw away 2-3 years later his 20" screened iMac just because it is old.. but anyways, as I said, lets wait and see...

I will wait for the CubeG5 by the way.. I loved but couldnt buy the CubeG4s, but this time hopefully it will be mine! :)

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by Phatpat
"One source also said that another product is in the pipeline for future announcement in the sub-$1000 range, and we’re seeking further details."

That would be good, since apple currently price themselves out of the mass market

[Ambrose Chapel]

ha i thought this was just a wild page 2 rumor, but it seems to have some more punch to it. i would hope that a new iMac would have more improvements than a new screen. maybe they have some of those 1.42GHz G4 chips laying around?

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by toughboy
who would want to throw away 2-3 years later his 20" screened iMac just because it is old..
Another good point and the main reason I stay away from all-in-one machices, YOU CAN'T KEEP THE SCREEN:mad: so instead of buying a new box and keeping the old screen, you have to throw it away or sell it at a fraction of the price. Grr.

Also will the new imacs be running Ati 9600's or Nvidia FX 5(6/7)00's, or somethng else?

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by -hh
real question will be if Apple chooses to offer a DP 1.8GHz upgrade kit for those of us with SP 1.8GHz PowerMac's.

Yes:rolleyes: and what are you intending to plug the 2nd proc into? maybe the PCI-X slot? New motherboard is the only solution for more procs.

[sethypoo]

20 inch iMac with what kind of processor?

What about the rumors of a G5 iMac?

Tomorrow????? No way.....:confused:

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by toughboy
if there is something that I'm sure about the presumed coming 20" imac, it is the price.. It will be really high!.. but it would be so nice and sweet on the other hand.. Plus 20" is a big investment as one of the pals said.. who would want to throw away 2-3 years later his 20" screened iMac just because it is old.. but anyways, as I said, lets wait and see...

I guess I haven't been paying much attention to iMacs lately (I'm pretty happy with my PowerMac), but already the high-end model price and specs are astronomical. Consider:

1GB DDR333 SDRAM !
160GB Ultra ATA hard drive !!
$2448.00 !!!

It's hard to imagine going any higher with a consumer model. Just what marketing are they targeting with this beast?

[ITR 81]

With all these changes coming there has to be redesigned LCD's coming up as well.

I believe we could see the 1.42GHz G4 in this new iMac or maybe a 1.6 or 1.8 G5 version but I would figure the base would change if a G5 came out for it.

[igordi]

I think that a 20" iMac would be fantastic and I'd probably finally get one. As far as the people that seem to think that the iMac would fall over with a bigger screen, I wonder how many of these people have actually seen one in person and felt the screens weight. Those things feel feather light. You're not hooking up your cinema display to the thing. These screens are much lighter.

[lind0834]

I think a 20" is a little much. I'd rather see a 19".. and if they could hit the 2500 price.. Hmmmmm.

[TylerL]

A Dual 1.8GHz G5 would've been a brilliantly awesome idea back in July/August, both for Apple, and their impatient customers.

I just CTO'd a Dual 2GHz G5 on Friday, and would've loved the opportunity to get a cheaper Dual 1.8.
Once you go dual...

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by Awimoway
I guess I haven't been paying much attention to iMacs lately (I'm pretty happy with my PowerMac), but already the high-end model price and specs are astronomical. Consider:

1GB DDR333 SDRAM !
160GB Ultra ATA hard drive !!
$2448.00 !!!

It's hard to imagine going any higher with a consumer model. Just what marketing are they targeting with this beast?

It comes with a screen, that's why it's so expensive.

1.6 Ghz G5= $1,999
17 inch Apple studio flat screen=$699
Total= $2698

Makes sense, a $2,448.00 iMac is a deal with all that RAM, SuperDrive, AirPort Extreme, Bluetooth, and a 160GB hard drive.

There's always the student discount too.....;)

[nagromme]

I'm skeptical. And if a 20" iMac is out soon, I bet the display is the only significant change. A G5 version would be even cooler, but I'd be amazed at one before next year.

But if Apple thinks the market for a 20" G4 is there... this is a good time to release ANY new products. Nest week is Thanksgiving, and that means major Xmas shopping begins.

[QCassidy352]

imac is a consumer machine... but with a 20" LCD, it would have to cost $$$. In addition, people who need really big screen are graphics people who would get a PM anyway. I can't see who a 20" imac would target.

also, as others have said, a 20" display is a big investment when it's permanently attached to a G4 that's aging by the day. Not sure this makes sense to me. :confused:

[dongmin]

Originally posted by TylerL
A Dual 1.8GHz G5 would've been a brilliantly awesome idea back in July/August, both for Apple, and their impatient customers.

I just CTO'd a Dual 2GHz G5 on Friday, and would've loved the opportunity to get a cheaper Dual 1.8.
Once you go dual...

my guess is that they'll drop the single 1.6 ghz and sell the single 1.8 ghz in the Fast config. Or, they'll squeeze the dual 1.8ghz into the lineup and redo the prices:

1 x 1.8 ghz $1999
2 x 1.8 ghz $2499
2 x 2.0 ghz $2999

or

1 x 1.6 ghz $1699
1 x 1.8 ghz $1999
2 x 1.8 ghz $2499
2 x 2.0 ghz $2999

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
imac is a consumer machine... but with a 20" LCD, it would have to cost $$$. In addition, people who need really big screen are graphics people who would get a PM anyway. I can't see who a 20" imac would target.

also, as others have said, a 20" display is a big investment when it's permanently attached to a G4 that's aging by the day. Not sure this makes sense to me. :confused:

Maybe they (Apple) don't want the G4 to die yet.....they might put dual G4's into the iMac come MWSF. Is it possible to put in three G4's onto one logic board?

[Flowbee]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Hmmm...wouldn't a 20" screen hanging off that arm make the whole thing a bit unstable?


That's what people were saying when the 17" iMac was rumored. If this 20" iMac turns out to be true, I'm guessing Apple has figured out a way to make it work.

[BenRoethig]

Originally posted by dongmin
my guess is that they'll drop the single 1.6 ghz and sell the single 1.8 ghz in the Fast config. Or, they'll squeeze the dual 1.8ghz into the lineup and redo the prices:

1 x 1.8 ghz $1999
2 x 1.8 ghz $2499
2 x 2.0 ghz $2999

or

1 x 1.6 ghz $1699
1 x 1.8 ghz $1999
2 x 1.8 ghz $2499
2 x 2.0 ghz $2999

I hope so. Might be able to replace that POS Compaq in our house with a G5 then.

[chrisnturkey]

Maybe this is just wishful thinking .... but considering the lag-time between the announcement on the G5 and it's ship date ... maybe (please oh please) we might hope for a low Ghtz G5 imac to go with such a fancy screen thus eliminating the soon-to be outdated limitations of another G4 based imac.

Arguably, the desktop consumer line is the most lagging in the development pipeline right now, and with Apple kicking ass with new development strategies ... might we be in for a good surprise?? How many of us expected the G5 when it arrived?

Probably this is just narcissistic as I would be the first in line to order a G5 imac but I will say my prayers before I go to bed tonight!

:)

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by chrisnturkey
Arguably, the desktop consumer line is the most lagging in the development pipeline right now

Hmm. That is arguable. I would say it's the G4 in the Powerbooks that is most lagging.

On the other hand, IANAAH (I am not an Apple historian), but I imagine there must have been occasions when the desktop consumer line had better processors than the portable pro line. Maybe this will be one of those times.

[Dahl]

Originally posted by edesignuk
No matter how big the arm, the screen will still be heavy, I can't see how given the size of the iMac base a 20" screen on even a short arm could stand up (unless mounted directly above the base, not able to hang in front/to the side)
Designwise it's an uphill battle unless they redesign the base as well.

Anyways...
Forget about larger displays for the iMac.
I think they should start thinking about some new displays in general, both when it comes to prices but also the design. No more G4 displays to go with our G5's.
:)

[AmigoMac]

they will be 19", the Taiwan company "Quanta" got the contract for those... I read it in a german newspaper... what they wrote in Taiwan is that they are thinking about 19", it has something with a factory Sonjiang in shangai... google it..

That's all I have to say about that! :D

[topicolo]

Originally posted by Dahl
Designwise it's an uphill battle unless they redesign the base as well.

Anyways...
Forget about larger displays for the iMac.
I think they should start thinking about some new displays in general, both when it comes to prices but also the design. No more G4 displays to go with our G5's.
:)

I think this rumor may just corroborate that last rumor about an imac base redesign. There may just be a new imac with a completely different look.

[aphexist]

I wonder if Apple has considered modularizing their LCDs so that they would be used as a standalone unit, or with a "quick lock" mechanism could optionally be used as an iMac LCD display.

The new iMacs could have a DVI inverface housed in the arm that would plug into the new displays while supporting the LCD and allowing for repositioning.

If you wanted to remove the screen (or ditch the iMac) you would throw on a stand accessory and plug in your alternate video source from a Powermac, or even a PC.

Just some thoughts...

[stoid]

I see a 20 inch iMac with a cube base working only one way. The cube looks extremely similar to the G4 cube we know and love except it lays on it's side so that the toaster slot drive is nearly horizontal, and on the front it a 20 inch screen so that you get the screen leaning back at an angle supported by the cube computer.

YAY for ASCII art!!

edit: dang pdfs, have a gif!

[Ja Di ksw]

Hey arn, I've noticed that, despite the large number of rumors about a new iMac coming soon, the iMac is still at a "Buy - Product recently upgraded" level on the buyer's guide. Is this simply because of the amount of time since the last update, or does it have to do with your lack of conviction about the truth of the rumors?

[Dahl]

Originally posted by aphexist
I wonder if Apple has considered modularizing their LCDs so that they would be used as a standalone unit, or with a "quick lock" mechanism could optionally be used as an iMac LCD display.

The new iMacs could have a DVI inverface housed in the arm that would plug into the new displays while supporting the LCD and allowing for repositioning.

If you wanted to remove the screen (or ditch the iMac) you would throw on a stand accessory and plug in your alternate video source from a Powermac, or even a PC.

Just some thoughts...
That's a great idea ( for the comsumer )

[csubear]

Just went to the apple store and checked out the shipping time on a new 17" imac. 3-5 days. Now i know that this is not always a clear indacator of an update, but when i bought my ibook last april i initaly ordered the 800Mhz (30Gb hd) model. The ship time was 3-5 days, and 5 days later my ship time was still 3-5 days. The diffrence being that i was getting a new 900Mhz (40Gb hd). I have been on the verge of buying an imac for my wife, but i am happy that i have waited. I guess we will see soon.

[ZildjianKX]

Great, my 30 gig iPod got oudated just 6 weeks after I bought it, and my 1.8 GHz G5 is outdated 6 weeks after I bought it.

We don't need a dual processor 1.8 GHz G5, they need to skip directly to revision 2 and have a DP 1.8 as the low end.

[Flyers486]

Perhaps the reason the new 20inch iMac and dual 1.8ghz PowerMac are being released on the same day is to place a 1.6ghz G5 in the iMac to increase slow sales during the holiday season? That makes sense to me. Also, is anyone else interested in the fact that Apple no longer releases music style products on the same day as computer style products. Just a thought.

[Waluigi]

If true, the 20" iMac would have to have a 1.6 G5. Then the powermac line would look like this (once the 1.6 is dropped to the iMacs)

Dual 2: 2999
Dual 1.8: 2499
Single 1.8: 1999

This would also mean powerbooks and espically xserve/xraid would be updated at MWSF in january. Also, the powermacs are due for a speed bump at the same time, and the displays really need an update too. Who knows how much of this is just nonsense though.

--Waluigi

[itsbetteronamac]

I have a 17inch imac, I love the screen on it. I just think that a 20" screen is too big for our cute little dome friend. I at first thought the twenty inch may be a little to big, but it is just perfect. Also if apple made the arm stiffer to support the new display, I wouldn't want it. The beauty of the imac's display is that it can be pushed around with 0 effort and yet it can stay in place.

Plus I thought steve said that we would be seeing a major revamp or the iMac in early 2004. And if tomarrow marks a major revamp, I say it's to soon to get ride of a great dising.

[arn]

thinksecret updated with pricing on the PowerMacs

Dual 2.0: $2999 (unchanged)
Dual 1.8: $2499
Single 1.8: $2099
Single 1.6: $1799

arn

[ralphh]

Originally posted by Flowbee
That's what people were saying when the 17" iMac was rumored. If this 20" iMac turns out to be true, I'm guessing Apple has figured out a way to make it work.

The first time changing the LCD in a 15" iMac I was surprised to find Apple supplied steel counterweights to add inside the LCD housing! The replacement panel apparently didn't weigh enough to keep the arm from creeping up. :)

[Thom_Edwards]

Originally posted by sethypoo
Maybe they (Apple) don't want the G4 to die yet.....they might put dual G4's into the iMac come MWSF. Is it possible to put in three G4's onto one logic board?

i'm usually not one to do a "me too" post, but i can't resist. a doolie imac would be sweet, and it's the first thing i thought of back when the new form factor rumor surfaced. it would make the imac more middle of the road when compared to a g5 and an emac. want efficiency? try the emac. want "fastest computer on a desk" type stuff? g5. oh, you want the best of both worlds? have you seen the new imac??? plus, isn't os x "optimized for dual processors"? why not play on this optimization?

don't really care too much about the 20 inch screen, though. 17's plenty. if there is a 20 incher AND duals, i hope they don't force you to get both by offering just one model with 2 procs. let me choose my monitor size, just as i would if i were buying a tower

[johnnyjibbs]

My 2p would be that if anything happens tomorrow, Apple will just add a 20" iMac with the same features as the 17" (or possibly 1.42GHz G4), keeping the other models and prices the same. We are too close to the previous update for anything else to happen. Think of this as the new 12"/17" PBs when the 15" was updated 2 months before.

However, if the G5 news is linked to this, that could suggest a G5 iMac, maybe even the cube thing everyone was talking about? They could be restructuring the G5s so that a G5 iMac would not eat into PowerMac sales.

But then they might just be giving the G5s a price cut to make them more competetive with the PC world, and responding to complaints of no middle duals.

[wymer100]

I think they would keep the G4 in the iMac. That said, there's nothing to say that a G5 iMac would run at 1.6GHz. Apple could put in a 1.0, 1.2, or 1.4GHz G5 and they would fly off the shelf if it were priced around $1799. The lower clock would compensate for heat issues in the tight quarters of the iMac case.

Also, could the $999 item be a price reduction in the powermac G4? I understand that Apple is selling quite a few of the old powermacs.

[daveL]

Originally posted by arn
thinksecret updated with pricing on the PowerMacs

Dual 2.0: $2999 (unchanged)
Dual 1.8: $2499
Single 1.8: $2099
Single 1.6: $1799

arn
Hmmm... Trying to move a bunch of lower clocked CPUs? The dual 1.8 is only US$ 100 more than the current single, and the price/performance compared to the dual 2.0 is very good. I wonder if the dual 1.8 will offer the same GPU options as the current dual 2.0?

[wymer100]

Originally posted by ralphh
The first time changing the LCD in a 15" iMac I was surprised to find Apple supplied steel counterweights to add inside the LCD housing! The replacement panel apparently didn't weigh enough to keep the arm from creeping up. :)

They may also have put in the weights to balance the screen to keep it from sagging to one side on the original model. Did Apple ever correct this in the updates? If you notice it, it gets to be a little annoying having the screen sag slightly.

[PretendPCuser]

Yeah, don't we all wish. No room for expansion (Or 1 PCI), but 1.6Ghz G5 GeForce 5200FX, 80Gb Serial ATA 256Mb RAM (1 expansion slot). $999. And a couple fans?

Would anyone here buy it?

:cool:


--OR--
Some new iMac thing.

[BenRoethig]

Originally posted by wymer100
I think they would keep the G4 in the iMac. That said, there's nothing to say that a G5 iMac would run at 1.6GHz. Apple could put in a 1.0, 1.2, or 1.4GHz G5 and they would fly off the shelf if it were priced around $1799. The lower clock would compensate for heat issues in the tight quarters of the iMac case.

Also, could the $999 item be a price reduction in the powermac G4? I understand that Apple is selling quite a few of the old powermacs.

Of course, people want an expandable tower, but don't want to pay $2k for it. Apple should add a sub $1k tower to its lineup on a permanent basis.

[BenRoethig]

Originally posted by daveL
Hmmm... Trying to move a bunch of lower clocked CPUs? The dual 1.8 is only US$ 100 more than the current single, and the price/performance compared to the dual 2.0 is very good. I wonder if the dual 1.8 will offer the same GPU options as the current dual 2.0?

I wouldn't expect to see anything change except pricing and the dual 1.8. A full update should be due at MacWorld.

[Mehmet]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
Yes:rolleyes: and what are you intending to plug the 2nd proc into? maybe the PCI-X slot? New motherboard is the only solution for more procs.

dude..

the connectors and everything is there, the mobo can and probably will support it.

[azdude]

20" imac? Hmm... Wow. I'd think that'd NEED a new enclosure. i keep envisioning this horribly humongous top-heavy odd-looking "thing."

something like this would kick major butt though... form factor wise.

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=63437

or this

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=63028

[Steven1621]

Originally posted by Macrumors
rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/11/20031112130651.shtml) had pointed to significant announcements this week as well as a music-related Apple Store event on November 28th.

iTMS Canada?

[DillHarris]

This is a good thing. Who dosen't like more options with cheaper prices? Make the powermac line more affordable, add a new high end imac. Bump the rest of the imac line down in price and make the emac dirt cheap.

[Dont Hurt Me]

or this or something close.

[RStone]

I doubt they'd announce iTMS Canada as an Apple Store event, seeing as how there are no Apple Stores in Canada... ;)

And is there a possibility that this 20" iMac is the rumoured 20th anniversary Macintosh? 20"....20th anniversary....coincidence? I think not! :P

[Gyroscope]

While I think that inclusion of dual 1.8 G5 is smart and maybe overdue move on Apples part,kinda bugs me really that they gonna release 20" iMac with G4. Don't really think that people will buy to that. People who buy PowerMacs are more likely target customers for anything >17". G4's are real drag these days. If I had to buy Mac that is not easy to upgrade(iMac) ,would certainly be expecting something that is gonna last for some time.With G4's that's certainly not the case. So I may think(if rumor is true) that this is just another ripoff on apples part, but then again I can understand if they are literally swiming in a sea of unsold G4 CPU's from the past that they now somehow trying to get rid of.

[stoid]

I seriously doubt that Apple will go to the cheese grater aluminum style on the iMac line. It is the cheese-grater/sterile-white that separates the consumer from pro line, and I don't think that Apple is going to ditch that anytime soon. Unless the new iMac is intended to be a professional grade machine, I think that it will stick with pearly white.

[mrsebastian]

sweet! just makes you wonder if it's still the same form factor?

[Lancetx]

Originally posted by Gyroscope
So I may think(if rumor is true) that this is just another ripoff on apples part, but then again I can understand if they are literally swiming in a sea of unsold G4 CPU's from the past that they now somehow trying to get rid of.

If it were a dual processor G4 though, that would be another story entirely...it probably won't be, but here's to hoping.

It will also be just as interesting to see if there is indeed a new 20" iMac tomorrow, if there is also a corresponding price drop on the current 17" model. Maybe $1,999 for the new 20" and drop the current 17" to $1,599 or something like that?

[=pa=]

Man, that would piss me off, seeing as my 1.8 arrived a week ago today! Wonder if the'd allow me to trade up or give me some $$$ back.

[applekid]

20" LCD... I still don't think it's possible. Actually, maybe possible, but the price would be a pretty big jump if they use something that has the quality close to Apple's 20" Display.

I have doubts we'll see anything tomorrow. It'll probably keep getting pushed back a couple of times, then a release of whatever they have up their sleeves.

If there is an iMac re-design, it's not going to be now. MWSF '04 is going to be boring if there's nothing amazingly cool to see. A G5 in an iMac is wishful thinking. I know everybody wants to see Apple ditch Moto, but we've still got PBs and iBooks clinging on to G4's. G5's in all Macs would make them amazingly overpriced. The white dome is still a work of art to all. Perhaps iMacs will be replaced with Cubes soon as long as display prices get cheaper and we get some room to upgrade. eMacs could take the iMac line and I think we'll be good to go. I'm hoping something like this happens in the next couple of months.

But I'll be watching MacRumors from school eagerly tomorrow, just in case I'm wrong. :)

I wish my parents would buy me a new Mac faster than every 5 years. :(

[Awimoway]

Interesting detail in the updated ThinkSecret report:

Sources said that availability of the 20-inch iMac will be limited early on.


Like that's never happened before. :rolleyes: Reel 'em in during the Christmas buying season and then make them wait until February to get it delivered.

[3.1416]

Originally posted by arn
Dual 2.0: $2999 (unchanged)
Dual 1.8: $2499
Single 1.8: $2099
Single 1.6: $1799

Those prices are exactly what they should have been in the first place. It was obvious that the dual 2.0 was by far the best value; this lineup is much better balanced. Although I'm not sure the single 1.8 is needed at all, and it definitely isn't if they would uncripple the 1.6.

I thought it would to be easy holding out for the next major revision, but a dual 1.8 will be hard to resist.

[dho]

If the imac does go g5 with this release it could very well mean that the powerbooks will get a major update soon. This has been very true in the past. I presume it wont mean g5 powerbooks, but more like the dual g4 books the have apeared recently.

I hope I dont have to wait for more then a day. :)

[ryaxnb]

Originally posted by sjjordan
20 inch powerbook?!!

It'd have a sleeping bag for a dust cover iMac.

[ryaxnb]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
Yes:rolleyes: and what are you intending to plug the 2nd proc into? maybe the PCI-X slot? New motherboard is the only solution for more procs. The proc slot, 1.8 uses same mobo as 2.0, but without connector for 2nd. proc. Perhaps Apple could offer a connector with the upgrade, if possible.

[job]

Well, it seems safe to say that the 1.6 G5 will drop in price, the 1.8Ghz tower will fall to $1999 and the dual 1.8Ghz tower will slot in at around $2399.

Now the only major question left is whether or not the 15" iMac will be discontinued and if the 20" iMac will replace the 17" as the top-end model.

We have several situations here:

1. Apple decides to keep the 15" and 17" iMacs where they are now and releases the 20" iMac at an extremely high price point.

2. The 15" iMac is axed, the 17" becomes the new 'low-end' iMac and the 20" iMac sells at the price of the current 17" model.

or...

3. The 15" drops drastically in price leaving the 17" to also drop a few hundred in order to fit the 20" iMac into the line-up.

[biaachmonkie]

There needs to be a broader more balanced set of configurations.
Why is there not a single 2.0?

Apple should go with...

1 x 1.6 ghz $1699
1 x 1.8 ghz $1899
1 x 2.0 ghz $2199
2 x 1.6 ghz $2299
2 x 1.8 ghz $2499
2 x 2.0 ghz $2899

Scale the range, and let people choose, Single for people who use few apps at once, or play games/etc that don't really take full advantage of the second CPU, Dual for the more demanding users. It just a simple speed variation of the CPU, this should have no negative impact and increase sales, I'd be more inclinded to make the leap to a low/mid dual cpu model, $3000 is just a bit too much...

Then a refresh of speeds for a nice keynote in S.F.

1 x 2.0 ghz $1799
1 x 2.2 ghz $1999
1 x 2.5 ghz $2299
2 x 2.0 ghz $2399
2 x 2.2 ghz $2599
2 x 2.5 ghz $2999

But thats just what I would like to see...

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by stoid
I seriously doubt that Apple will go to the cheese grater aluminum style on the iMac line. It is the cheese-grater/sterile-white that separates the consumer from pro line, and I don't think that Apple is going to ditch that anytime soon. Unless the new iMac is intended to be a professional grade machine, I think that it will stick with pearly white.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. That thing looks like it should be in the kitchen. Enclose it and buy a fan or 2.

[stoid]

How will this be announced, is there some convention tomorrow, or will it pop out from no-where with a little press release and a new apple.com front page like the G4 iBook?

It seems that if the change is big enough to warrant a whole new enclosure, then Apple isn't going to let it out without some hoot and holler to accompany it.

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by Mehmet
dude..

the connectors and everything is there, the mobo can and probably will support it.

On the off chance that it can be connected (unlikley) you would need to buy 2 new procs since the arcitecture for single and dual processors is different.

IT WONT HAPPEN.

[the_mole1314]

I think we'll see the 'Pop Out Of Nowhere' trend. Remeber the ibook G4 and 20g and 40g iPod?

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by the_mole1314
I think we'll see the 'Pop Out Of Nowhere' trend. Remeber the ibook G4 and 20g and 40g iPod?

I can't help but think that this is going to be the case. Apple keep it all under lock and key so that they can shift the remainder of their stock and not have people hanging around for the computer they know is going to be released. It's a way to keep the cash flow up and the public guessing.

[lewdvig]

figures... I just bought a g4 cuase the g5 was more than I wanted to spend (1799 vs. 2799 CDN).

oh well.

[=pa=]

Frankly, I think Apple have better do something about a new G5 themed monitor before it reshuffles the CPUs. The old G4 style monitors just don't cut it, style-wise.

[PowerBook User]

Originally posted by BenRoethig
Of course, people want an expandable tower, but don't want to pay $2k for it. Apple should add a sub $1k tower to its lineup on a permanent basis.
I agree. I think there are many consumers that want to be able to expand their computer down the road. Plus you can also choose your own display or use one you already have. I think even $1,300 for a decent G4 tower is reasonable.

[~Shard~]

Well, as I stated at the beginning of this thread, I was about to order a new 17" iMac this week. I'm kind of excited now to wait and see what tomorrow brings, however I know that it may in fact be nothing. Some times these rumors slip out, get blown out of proportion, and aren't true at all. Of course, that's why they're rumors! ;)

I think there's something to be said though for these types of rumors that just pop out of nowhere. In the past, they seem to have been quite accurate, from my limited experience. I realize there have been related rumors for quite some time now, as far as new iMacs go, etc., but I think the bulk of the rumors were implying a MWSF unveiling, and not a release one day away!

I'm trying to be realistically optimistic, so we'll see what happens tomorrow when I load up good old www.apple.com :)

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by =pa=
Frankly, I think Apple have better do something about a new G5 themed monitor before it reshuffles the CPUs. The old G4 style monitors just don't cut it, style-wise.

Hmm, could this possibly be the truth, and the rumors out there just twisted the facts? Perhaps someone heard about new 20" LCDs, and then something else related to iMacs, and the information got screwed up. Perhaps what we will be seeing are new LCDs (including the 20" of course) instead - after all, they are due for an upgrade if anything is!

Plus, the iMacs just received a minor boost 2 months ago. If all that is being added is a 20" LCD, this would constitute another minor boost, in a manner of speaking (barring a complete iMac redesign) and doesn't seem to be too likely. If the iMacs are getting updated again so soon, I'm thinking it'll be something bigger...

[~Shard~]

... then again, is a G5 iMac plausible? Would they update the consumer line with a G5, a new chip that's only been out for 6 months, so quickly? And would they do this before the xServes, which are REALLY due for an update and technically deserve it more than the iMacs?

Then again, we're dealing with a different game all together now, with IBM - we're still used to the "Motorola way" of doing things, and their development and release cycles, etc. - perhaps now with IBM making the chips, we will see more frequent advances than we're used to, and a G5 iMac makes total sense, because more and more speed boosts are going to be coming quicker than ever. :)

[jail]

Originally posted by job
The 15" drops drastically in price leaving the 17" to also drop a few hundred in order to fit the 20" iMac into the line-up.

I think this will happen. They said something will be sub $1000, a 15" iMac bellow $1000 sounds feasable.
-jail

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
On the off chance that it can be connected (unlikley) you would need to buy 2 new procs since the arcitecture for single and dual processors is different.

IT WONT HAPPEN.

What do you base this on?

[punter]

i just got used to how big the 17" one is.

Also I don't think a 20" screen would over balance the base at all. The base is so heavy already it could take the weight of 3x 17" screens at full stretch before it even thought about falling over (I reckon).

20" imac huh? Talk about a pro-consumer. Someone with plenty of cash!

[Mehmet]

wait, aren't the imac displays powerbook displays?

(they are widescreen no?)


They look suprisingly similar..

if so, then a 20" laptop display doesnt seem very feasable.. even though it's not going to be used in powerbooks (jesus, that would be a HUGE laptop.)

[csubear]

just went and checked out the shipping times on various hardware on the apple store. almost everything i checked was shipping same day. The only ones that weren't were the ibook g4 (1-3 days) , powermac g4(1-3 days), and the imac (3-5 days). Hmm.... maybe?

[Dahl]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Hmm, could this possibly be the truth, and the rumors out there just twisted the facts? Perhaps someone heard about new 20" LCDs, and then something else related to iMacs, and the information got screwed up. Perhaps what we will be seeing are new LCDs (including the 20" of course) instead - after all, they are due for an upgrade if anything is!

Plus, the iMacs just received a minor boost 2 months ago. If all that is being added is a 20" LCD, this would constitute another minor boost, in a manner of speaking (barring a complete iMac redesign) and doesn't seem to be too likely. If the iMacs are getting updated again so soon, I'm thinking it'll be something bigger...
Good point.
I think ( and hope ) the displays should be next, at least when it comes to design. It's the only "left over" design from the G4 era along with the "new" G4 model that came along with the G5's.
Is there really a market for a 20' iMac ?
I think it might be overkill.

[Awimoway]

The 15" iMac is shipping "Same business day".


So I don't think it's getting dropped from the lineup.

[csubear]

opps, i only check the 17"

[csubear]

you know apple can call any powerpc anything it wants to. if apple wants to call a 750 (with altivec) from ibm a G4 it can. I personly wouldn't be suprised if the next imac had a striped down 970, or a souped up 750. but who knows

[Toppa G's]

Originally posted by Dahl

Is there really a market for a 20' iMac ?
I think it might be overkill.

I'd agree, although a 20 FOOT screen would be awesome! It would need a huge base to keep up, for sure. :D

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by Dahl
Good point.
I think ( and hope ) the displays should be next, at least when it comes to design. It's the only "left over" design from the G4 era along with the "new" G4 model that came along with the G5's.
Is there really a market for a 20' iMac ?
I think it might be overkill.

Good question Dahl - is there indeed a market for a 20" iMac? Most users who require a 20" screen are Pro users, who typcially use (surprise!) Pro machines! Now I suppose Apple could be trying to please both markets here, by saying "Hey, here's your big screen (Pro) but on a lower-end box (consumer), but for much less than a PM G5!" Hmm, but with a 20" screen what indeed would be your price point?...

If we see a 20" iMac, I'm thinking it must be a major upgrade to justify this move - otherwise, it is overkill. Plus, the iMac is supposed to be relatively cheap - how much would this new iMac cost with major upgrades (G5?) AND a 20" LCD?

Although they did it with the PowerBooks, now didn't they? New 15", then 2 months (or so) later, bam, 12" and 17" to augment the product line...

Kay, I've just talked myself in circles - I'll stop now. For a bit. :p

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by IndyGopher
What do you base this on?

Time will tell, but you might want too read a few white papers about Processor architecture.

[proglife]

iMac case revision+20 inch screen?

Would it be possible to put the guts of the machine flat against the back of an LCD (a la notebook/tablet) and stick a slot loading drive on the side? I imagine it would be easier to keep the depth to an acceptable size at 20 inches. That would be a very modern redesign of the orignal iMac concept.

Just an unlikely thought.

[stoid]

Originally posted by proglife
iMac case revision+20 inch screen?

Would it be possible to put the guts of the machine flat against the back of an LCD (a la notebook/tablet) and stick a slot loading drive on the side? I imagine it would be easier to keep the depth to an acceptable size at 20 inches. That would be a very modern redesign of the orignal iMac concept.

Just an unlikely thought.

I don't know if this would apply to a flat panel contained system, but I know that my dad told me that you should close his TiBook with a DVD running because the heat could leave a burn mark on the LCD screen. Would a DVD player from behind have the same effect??

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by proglife
iMac case revision+20 inch screen?

Would it be possible to put the guts of the machine flat against the back of an LCD (a la notebook/tablet) and stick a slot loading drive on the side? I imagine it would be easier to keep the depth to an acceptable size at 20 inches. That would be a very modern redesign of the orignal iMac concept.

Just an unlikely thought.

I like that concept, actually - it's consistent with the all-in-one concept of the iMac too. In any case, don't dismiss it as an unlikely thought - I'm pretty sure those are the types of thoughts Apple thrives on. :)

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by stoid
I don't know if this would apply to a flat panel contained system, but I know that my dad told me that you should close his TiBook with a DVD running because the heat could leave a burn mark on the LCD screen. Would a DVD player from behind have the same effect??

Hmm, good point, I never thought of those types of heat issues. Always something, it seems...

Off topic, but I suppose that would be another heat consideration for the G5 PowerBooks as well, if that's the case with the TiBooks.

[iDave]

If Apple has a new iMac ready to go it would make a whole lot more sense to introduce it now rather than two weeks after Christmas at MacWorld.

However, it doesn't make sense for Apple to put a 20" display on the iMac without upgrading it to a G5 at the same time. I'd be surprised if they're ready with that. A 20" display is pretty high-end and the G4 now seems pretty low-end and out of date for a pricey desktop machine.

I think the rumor is false. No G5 yet; no 20" screen on an iMac.

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by arn
thinksecret updated with pricing on the PowerMacs

Dual 2.0: $2999 (unchanged)
Dual 1.8: $2499
Single 1.8: $2099
Single 1.6: $1799

arn Would make an interesting change for the Christmas sales season.

And we all know Apple would most likely do a minor change to the Single 1.6 and 1.8 to get around their 10 day Apple Store price change policy.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by Sun Baked

And we all know Apple would most likely do a minor change to the Single 1.6 and 1.8 to get around their 10 day Apple Store price change policy.

Heh heh - did you used to work for Apple? ;)

[fredwick]

a 20inch imac without a g5 would be an absoulute wast of money. it would be entirerly pointless. its not going to happed tommorow or anytime soon unless it gets a g5.

[macnews]

Originally posted by proglife
iMac case revision+20 inch screen?

Would it be possible to put the guts of the machine flat against the back of an LCD (a la notebook/tablet) and stick a slot loading drive on the side? I imagine it would be easier to keep the depth to an acceptable size at 20 inches. That would be a very modern redesign of the orignal iMac concept.

Just an unlikely thought.


This is unlikely and the exact opposite of the design for the dome imac. When introduced Steve said (I'm paraphrasing here) the screen works best vertically, cd/hd/etc work better when placed horizontally thus the new imac was born. This is why they moved away from the all-in-one bubble type of enclosure of the original imac and didn't just put a flat screen in where the old CRT went.

Now, who knows if that is why they REALLY did it or if it just makes for a good story. But that is the reason Apple pitched when introducing the current imac form factor.

[nek]

I think the Powermac changes seem likely, but I expected a speed increase when they add a second dual processor model. Even if it was only a change to single 1.8GHz, dual 2.0GHz, and dual 2.2GHz.

The 20" iMac actually seems possible to me, but not until sometime in 2004, and with a G5 inside. If any of you remember the Powermac back in 1997 for the 20th anniversary of Apple, it was very expensive. But hopefully they learned from the fact that it did not sell very well, and actually create something worth buying this time. For the 20th anniversary of Macintosh, I think a 20" iMac could happen.

[jamesatzones]

Dual 1.8's tomorrow, extremely likely! I bet some software will be updated along the pro line.

Lets see how accurate my assumptions are.

[crees!]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Great, my 30 gig iPod got oudated just 6 weeks after I bought it, and my 1.8 GHz G5 is outdated 6 weeks after I bought it.

How does something get outdated in 6 weeks? Does the same go with your harddrive when a larger capacity one is released? It can still store your data right? And your programs still run? Same with the iPod, it can still play your songs just as good as the newly released one, right?

When it comes to being outdated try 6 years instead. Then I might agree with you. Otherwise I can't understand this kind of mentality.

[peejay]

Please arn, you don't have to post this, but pay better attention to your spelling and grammar if you want to be taken seriously. its is the possessive form;it's should only be used in place of it is. It's really quite simple to use this rule; its misuse can leave a bad taste in one's mouth.

Otherwise, great job.

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by macnews
cd/hd/etc work better when placed horizontally

I like the concept of all the hardware placed behind the screen (a laptop with the screen fliped over comes to mind.)

Hard drives work the same no matter what how they sit as long as it is stable. Same with LCD's and CD drive(can't have CD drive upside down unless slot load.) Thats what the little tabs around the edge are for, so to hold the CD when loading vertically.

The only problem with an All in one LCD computer would be it would most likley have to be wall mounted.

[polyesterlester]

Originally posted by AirUncleP
I can just see the ad now, " Two i's are better than one. Buy the new 20" iMac along with an iPod and get 40 free songs off the iTunes music store for FREEEEEE!!!!!"

And it could star a pirate.

[Ja Di ksw]

edit, lol, nm :D

remind me not to post after 2 in the morning, I can't read or write worth a da**

[stoid]

Originally posted by Ja Di ksw
edit, lol, nm :D

Good boy, I understand that it's very late, I was about to go Merriam-Webster on your ass. :p

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
or this or something close.

Replying to your cube picture. Hate it ! Hopefully the cube will never look like that. !!!

[true777]

As much as I dislike the current iMac design and would all along have favored a design such as the one discussed here (inner workings behind the flat screen, notr on a separate base), I think it is unfortunately extremely unlikely that Steve Jobs would allow Ive to do this.

Does anyone remember the orchard story behind the current design? As far as I remember, supposedly a modern, sleek form factor just as the one described above was actually first proposed by Ive when they designed the current iMac. When Jobs saw the proposed design, he invited Ive over for an afternoon walk in Jobs' wife's apricot orchard behind Jobs' house in PA. Ive was really nervous, not knowing what was ahead. Jobs supposedly gently brought home the fact that he didn't like the vertical design at all, giving the same reasons he later publicly discloesd (see post above).

Thus, he made Ive start from scratch again which lead to the current design. Please correct me if my memory of this story is faulty in some aspect.

[iChan]

forget screen sizes and new Lcd panel designs... I feel that apple need to go for altogether new kinds of technology for their screens... they need to innovate and lead the way...
OLED is good, I always thought that it would be a good idea, esp in laptops, but maybe it isn't ready yet, but there are devices like mobile phones on the market now with OLED, so maybe in the iPod? OLED, I have seen in action on a prototype Toshiba I think and it was coming along very well indeed, it does have a very Organic feel, like the screen is evolving in front of your very eyes. I also think that Mac OS X has that kind of effect and these two would be a great coupling...

also, has anyone seen the new screen tech from Sony on one of it's tiny baby laptops? they call it 'Onyx Black' and MAN, that image quality is the best I have ever seen. The blacks are pure black and the contrast is amazing... The viewing angle also puts Apple's laptops to shame. I want to see some of this stuff in Apple Laptops soon, because I demand the best quality everything in my Powerbook, I'm paying for it aren't I?

The most Annoying thing about my Powerbook screen is when I watch a DVD on it that has black borders on the top and bottom... no matter how hard I try, I can never get the 'black' borders to look black... I think it a problem with the capability of the screen tech and I want this rectified...

I know that this thread is not about about laptops or portable devices in general... I just wanted to get my rant in.

however, I think 20" on an iMac is way overkill, it would be sweet, but overkill... the screen would look like a monstrosity unless they redo the base, and I don't think they will redo the case and still keep with the G5. THe R&D costs would be too high for somthing that would only last about 1-2 years in it's lifecycle, unless they plan on keeping the new form factor when they make a switch to G5. I doubt it, as Apple would want to make a big splash.

A 20" inch screen on the current base would lose it's aesthetic balance, and for that reason alone, I couldn't justify it.

[simply258]

Originally posted by MattG
What would be cool is if they made a 20" iMac with a bigger base to support that large screen...and since they'd have extra room in this bigger base, they could beef up the components as well. Better video, more RAM capacity perhaps?
more fans for the G5 maybe ?

[rdowns]

Originally posted by peejay
Please arn, you don't have to post this, but pay better attention to your spelling and grammar if you want to be taken seriously. its is the possessive form;it's should only be used in place of it is. It's really quite simple to use this rule; its misuse can leave a bad taste in one's mouth.

Otherwise, great job.

For all intensive purposes their are many more abuses of the English language on Usenet. As for its, I could care less.

:D :D

Just 3 of my favorites.

[lind0834]

Apple store is currently down.
Let's wait a few hours and see if these rumors pan out.

Apple Store France that is.

Also, Ireland, Netherlands, Spain, UK, Austria, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Belgium (Flemish, not French), Finland, and Switzerland (German, not French)

Apple Store US is down.
Canada as well.

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by rdowns
For all intensive purposes their are many more abuses of the English language on Usenet. As for its, I could care less.

:D :D

Just 3 of my favorites.

Yup for all intents and purposes, there are many more common abuses of the language. You are absolutely correct, irregardless. :-P :)


Anyhow, the German, French and UK Apple stores are showing the "We'll be back soon" sticky note... they're apparently busy updating the store, be back within the hour.

Maybe something new's coming.

[crap freakboy]

Well bugger me!!apple store uk we'll be back soon!! (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore)

[KBFinFan]

US store is down as well.. and I have to go to class now.. dah..

Guess I'll see when I get back..

[boy]

Originally posted by KBFinFan
US store is down as well.. and I have to go to class now.. dah..

Guess I'll see when I get back..

yep.. us down. something going on folks... :D :D

[zyuzin4]

:D :D :D

good thing I am a night owl
still haven't slept (pacific time) but now I have to wait

[lind0834]

Apple Store Korea is still Online :)

http://www.applestore.co.kr/

[Icekey]

We're anxiously waiting here Down Under :)

[~Shard~]

Hey, my wish came true! I went to bed last nite hoping some of these rumors might be true, and we might see some changes in some manner, and what do I find when I wake up - the Apple Store is down! Obviously there's some truth to these rumors, so we'll just have to wait and see how accurate they really are.

I'm staying tuned....

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by zyuzin4
:D :D :D

good thing I am a night owl
still haven't slept (pacific time) but now I have to wait


Bad thing I'm an insomniac. If I only I hadn't checked my email one more time before I attempted to go to bed--again. Maybe I'll sleep tomorrow. :o

[SpaceMagic]

I'm stuck in school with absolute cr*p internet which is fast... yeh... but NO sites work! grrr...

Anyway keep me updated please!

[JoE950]

hmm, they finally got around to updating the aqua tabs for the store away page. now when are the going to get that "Apple Store" font switched over?

[Awimoway]

iMac
$2,199.00

20-inch widescreen LCD
1.25GHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA hard drive
Apple Pro Speakers
AirPort Extreme Ready
Bluetooth Option


PowerMac
2,499.00

Dual 1.8GHz PowerPC G5
900MHz frontside bus/processor
512K L2 cache/processor
512MB DDR400 128-bit SDRAM
Expandable to 8GB SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA
SuperDrive
Three PCI-X Slots
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem

[Pipian]

20" Confirmed

[Dont Hurt Me]

i have not seen anything and the u.s. apple site is up and running

[lind0834]

rumors where right.

[Pipian]

1.6 Ghz G5
Dual 1.8 G5
and Dual 2.0 G5

[boy]

it was all true!!!! US site is back online!!! see for ur self!!

[Awimoway]

Note: There is no single proc 1.8 GHz PowerMac anymore. The 1.6 remains at $1799.

And the 1024 MB RAM, 160 GB hard drive iMac is gone.

[clonenode]

It's not on the Apple home page (yet) but the new 20" iMac is showing up at the Apple Store site. So is the dual 1.8 GHz G5.

8:35am East Coast US Time.

[Lancetx]

Well, they are up. Only difference is that the dual 1.8 PowerMac effectively replaces the single 1.8 (but is $100 more) as it is now gone from the lineup, while the single 1.6 drops $200.

As for the iMac, the new 20" model is identical to the 17" it appears, just for $400 more. No other price drops for the iMac line. This is rather disappointing to say the least, with iMac sales being slow already, who is going to spend yet another $400 to get a 20" model? :(

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by Awimoway
Note: There is no single proc 1.8 GHz PowerMac anymore. The 1.6 remains at $1799.

And the 1024 MB RAM, 160 GB hard drive iMac is gone.

To clarify, they are gone as stock features on the top model. But they are still options.

[zyuzin4]

man they couldnt have even made the 20 incher with 512 ram or 100gb standard? cmon. I'm fairly disappointed

although the edu discount is 200 on the high end model

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by fredwick
a 20inch imac without a g5 would be an absoulute wast of money. it would be entirerly pointless. its not going to happed tommorow or anytime soon unless it gets a g5.

so what are your thoughts today? ;)

[-hh]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
On the off chance that it can be connected (unlikley) you would need to buy 2 new procs since the arcitecture for single and dual processors is different.

IT WONT HAPPEN.

What "won't happen" is for there to be an unnecessary proliferation of designs that costs a Company money.

This unnessary complexity potential exists here at two basic points: the CPU and the Motherboard.

On the motherboard, the word from 'way back was that there were two configurations being develped, a "low risk" and a "high risk" one. With only two configurations that went into 3 products (the 1.6, 1.8 and DP 2.0), the question is who got what? Obviously, the 1.6 got the Low Risk and the 2.0 got the High Risk. For the 1.8 in question here, since it has the PCI-X and RAM slots of the 2.0, its obvious that its more similar to the DP 2.0 than the SP 1.6 As such, its probably the high risk design, which since it already supports the DP 2.0, can be construed as "DP ready".

Granted, they might have not installed one of the DP 2.0's motherboard components, but in the bigger picture, the costs of keeping track of a "3rd" motherboard has to be balanced against the cost savings of the component being deleted. Because the logistical costs include stocking both while in production (WIP), plus later repairs, they're a lot higher than what is otherwise obvious. Overall, it doesn't generally make financial sense to proliferate low production volume items if a sngle design can replace them all, which is the case here for the 1.8's motherboard.

On the CPU's, the same business rule of avoiding unnecessary complexity also applies: what is cheapest is to have a single design whose only difference is the speed at which it proofed out. The implication here is that any chip can be used in a SP or DP configuration without any modification to the chip.

Now I'll admit that I've not bothered to keep close track of the G5's specifics, but I've not seen any word whatsoever that there's any differences such as what would be merited by SP vs DP at the chip level, which would obviously be significant enough to justify their own chip design ID's. Perhaps I've simply missed that, and you'll be gracious enough to cite what the different G5 chip designs are, by each chip's code names. Of course, if you can't do so, that pretty much proves my point.


Throughout all of this, just keep in mind that all I'm doing is simply applying the rules of good business practices.

The rule of thumb is that additional complexity is an additional logistical cost that should be avoided. The general exception is that the production rate is large enough to pay the logistical cost and still recover a cost savings, but this generally requires MASSIVE(*) production volumes when you're talking about short product lifecycles as what exists within Apple's market.

(* - as in "Millions of units produced/sold per day").

The eventual "proof of the pudding" will be the motherboard of the DP 1.8 versus the motherboard of the SP 1.8: if they carry the same part ID# in Apple's repair manuals, that locks that down. Ditto for the repair part for the 1.8 G5 in the old and new designs. Perhaps an Apple Tech will provide that answer shortly.


-hh

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by -hh
...The eventual "proof of the pudding" will be the motherboard of the DP 1.8 versus the motherboard of the SP 1.8: if they carry the same part ID# in Apple's repair manuals, that locks that down. Ditto for the repair part for the 1.8 G5 in the old and new designs. Perhaps an Apple Tech will provide that answer shortly.


-hh Should be interesting to see if the duals use the same board later... right now there are three.

But let me guess at the part numbers...

Logic Board, 167 MHz, Uni 661-2894
Logic Board, 233 MHz, Uni 661-2895
Logic Board, 233 MHz, Dual 661-2950

I wonder if the boards were certified for DDR 466 ie 233 MHz :confused:...

[j33pd0g]

The 20" iMac (http://www.apple.com/imac/) is true. And it's up at Apples website. I think it has a hefty price tag though.

http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/fad64a11b85b02/www.apple.com/home/images/2003/11/imac20litany11182003.gif

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
The 20" iMac (http://www.apple.com/imac/) is true. And it's up at Apples website.

You don't bother to read what others have posted before you on a thread, do you? :rolleyes:

[Drifter]

**** yeah! 20'' iMac was a given. 17'' iMac doesn't seem that big.
And the Dual 1.8 was plausible. But I'm still waiting for MacWorld 04' for the speed boosts.

[mentalcelerity]

well this all happened..i was very surprised but hey, we shouldn't doubt apples!

-celerity domination-