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MrMacMan
Nov 23, 2003, 10:24 PM
I will probably be 'gone' till at least thursday...

If not till Jan 2ed.

My school my suspend me... and about 40% of my school also might be...

Weeeeeeee...

Has something to do with my school and their filtering software and a place to get around it...

Well lets say they tracked it to me... so:

I == Screwed.


More on this if I ever get to a computer again... :(



Stelliform
Nov 23, 2003, 10:36 PM
Sorry to here about it, but I can't see them coming down totally hard just on you for telling people how to get around the filtering software...

Good luck.

Durandal7
Nov 23, 2003, 10:49 PM
Suspending %40 of the school seems like an invitation for vandalism and dissent.

voicegy
Nov 23, 2003, 11:15 PM
We have fired people for such infractions, but I've never heard of students attempting to circumvent district security at my school district...yet. An agreement must be signed between students and the district, including parents, specifically outlining appropriate use, along with punishments for those who find it somehow thrilling or neccessary to violate the agreement.

I don't know about the 40% you claim for the rest of the school, but if suspension was indicated in any agreement you verbally agreed to or signed, and you freely admit (at least here, anyway) that you were involved, I wouldn't "brag" about such things.

Weeeeeee?!

That said, keep your nose clean in the future, learn the lesson - and I look forward to your continued contributions to MacRumors.;)

tazo
Nov 23, 2003, 11:34 PM
As someone who was banned from his entire district's computer facilities for 8.5 months let me tell you this: you ****ed up. Live with it and befriend a teacher in a far-away part of the school ;)

themadchemist
Nov 24, 2003, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by Durandal7
Suspending %40 of the school seems like an invitation for vandalism and dissent.

or transfer...college education is a big racket, and if you treat your customers like THIS (as opposed to the customary way of torturing them with too many exams, shoving b-'s in their faces, and sending them on their merry way with a $100,000 piece of paper), these guys will start losing money.

what are they thinking?! what of tuition?! what of senior satisfaction ratings! more importantly, what of alumni giving rates?!

idiots...

edit: oh, I see you're fifteen, and you're probably in high school. Oh, they can feel free to bust your ass then. The above still applies, though, to higher education. The worst you'd get there is having your ethernet suspended for a month or something.

myndlinksw
Nov 24, 2003, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by voicegy
We have fired people for such infractions, but I've never heard of students attempting to circumvent district security at my school district...yet. An agreement must be signed between students and the district, including parents, specifically outlining appropriate use, along with punishments for those who find it somehow thrilling or neccessary to violate the agreement.

I don't know about the 40% you claim for the rest of the school, but if suspension was indicated in any agreement you verbally agreed to or signed, and you freely admit (at least here, anyway) that you were involved, I wouldn't "brag" about such things.

Weeeeeee?!

That said, keep your nose clean in the future, learn the lesson - and I look forward to your continued contributions to MacRumors.;)


Yes, and suspending students and sending them home is a great way to solve that security problem you've been having. With no students to break the rules, there won't be any problems at all! Brilliant!

hvfsl
Nov 24, 2003, 04:45 AM
I know one person who was expelled for hacking into the school computers. He told the head that it was very easy to do with software that can be downloaded from the Internet, but the head would not listen. So he hacked into the school computers and printed out some of the files to prove he had done it. He was then expelled for it.

WinterMute
Nov 24, 2003, 07:26 AM
In my day the worst trouble technology could get you into was a sharp whack for photocopying your arse and pinning it to a notice-board.:D

I'd have gotten away with it to, but an ex-girlfriend grassed me up...:eek:

I hope they don't get too heavy on you, I think they need to employ you in the IT dept.;)

Les Kern
Nov 24, 2003, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
I will probably be 'gone' till at least thursday...


If you were in my school you'd be gone forever. Our internet/tech agreement is clear, and we have no compassion for the likes of you. Goodbye.

Mr. Anderson
Nov 24, 2003, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Les Kern
If you were in my school you'd be gone forever. Our internet/tech agreement is clear, and we have no compassion for the likes of you. Goodbye.

ah, that might be a little harsh, but it brings up a good point.

Did you know that your actions, if caught, would incur disciplinary action?

D

Stelliform
Nov 24, 2003, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by WinterMute
In my day the worst trouble technology could get you into was a sharp whack for photocopying your arse and pinning it to a notice-board.:D


Heh, that brings back memories. My friend and I would swap monitor cables on our Apple II's.. (So whatever I typed was on his screen and vice versa.) It was some of the first chat rooms... :) The best part was when the teacher came over and asked him to see his program. I quickly had to load my code and list it to the screen while he pretended to type. It worked great and the teacher never knew... Ahhh Those were the days...

And I kind of think you guys are being a little harsh on MrMacman. What he did was maybe worth a suspension, but it isn't like he stole anything, hurt anybody, or damaged anything. Expulsion? I think they let kids get away with murder in other areas. Everybody is way to tense when it comes to computer pranks. :)

applemacdude
Nov 24, 2003, 09:36 AM
At least you have computers to hack with, all the compaqs at my school are broken.

sethypoo
Nov 24, 2003, 10:18 AM
Ouch, 40% of the student population? What does that solve, by suspending that many students? I don't think it makes an example out of anyone, something like this does more harm than good in my opinion.

wdlove
Nov 24, 2003, 11:51 AM
I'm sorry to hear about your supension MrMacman. It seems that since 9/11 everyone has become strict about pranks of any kind. They should try to find a way to compromise.

Kwyjibo
Nov 24, 2003, 12:14 PM
Hmm well my school opened this Mezzanine with like 30 or so computers students could use during lunch or before or after school. Well one day they added this lab station on the side and it was supposed to be a teacher or aide, for a while, it wasn't staffed but starting second semster. One day I was interested in what she was exactly doign so I sat behind her and noticed that shew was able to watch every screen, sort of like VNC, and that if someone was doing something they weren't supposed to and she confirmed it she wrote down their ID and went over there .... I called her big brother and it became hobby for me and my friends to sit here before a nearby class and watch her watching people

tpjunkie
Nov 24, 2003, 12:27 PM
it sounds like people are talking about two different things here, using a public (k-12) school district's computers to get around filtering software, and then there are people talking about violating a college's internet use policy

Les Kern
Nov 24, 2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
I'm sorry to hear about your supension MrMacman. It seems that since 9/11 everyone has become strict about pranks of any kind. They should try to find a way to compromise.

Oh please. I'm so tired of that "Ever since 9/11...." crap. Nothing has changed except perception.

voicegy
Nov 24, 2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
I'm sorry to hear about your supension MrMacman. It seems that since 9/11 everyone has become strict about pranks of any kind. They should try to find a way to compromise.

Our district was strict about this prior to 9/11. It's behavior that is not tolerated...it's akin to vandalism.

jelloshotsrule
Nov 24, 2003, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Les Kern
Oh please. I'm so tired of that "Ever since 9/11...." crap. Nothing has changed except perception.

and the way darker skinned people are treated...

leet1
Nov 24, 2003, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Les Kern
Oh please. I'm so tired of that "Ever since 9/11...." crap. Nothing has changed except perception.

and the economy, and airlines, and security in the country.

myndlinksw
Nov 24, 2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by voicegy
Our district was strict about this prior to 9/11. It's behavior that is not tolerated...it's akin to vandalism.

Vandalism? You mean 'willful wanton and malicious destruction of the property of others' is akin to 'the act of evading by going around' filtering software?

lol!

beez7777
Nov 24, 2003, 04:54 PM
thats pretty rough that they're gonna suspend you. when i was in 8th grade i got banned from the library for the entire year for hooking up 8 keyboards and 8 mice to one iMac. :)

Stelliform
Nov 24, 2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by beez7777
thats pretty rough that they're gonna suspend you. when i was in 8th grade i got banned from the library for the entire year for hooking up 8 keyboards and 8 mice to one iMac. :)

LOL!!! Did any of them work?

Durandal7
Nov 24, 2003, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Les Kern
Oh please. I'm so tired of that "Ever since 9/11...." crap. Nothing has changed except perception.

Perception dictates all action.

MrMacMan
Nov 24, 2003, 09:52 PM
Dear God,

Delete all of the worthless posts in this thread.

Please inform them that I didn't 'hack' the network or access any files that weren't mine.

Please inform them that I used a Proxy To get around Bess (Internet Filtering Software).

Thanks, MrMacMan (note the edit).


Also, damn you guys are frikken strict!

:o

Be back soonnn... (I hope)

In a hope to get my name and personal info off google I am editing my name off this post.

G4scott
Nov 24, 2003, 09:57 PM
wow... before this becomes political, because I can tell that's where it's going (and I don't want to go there, let me tell you...)

about 80% of the junior class at my high school last year was suspended for running out of a practice state test that they realized they didn't really have to take... The principal was pissed...

Also, school's do make you sign an agreement, and they have the right to monitor what you do, so nothing you do at school on the internet is private at all. I talked with a tech guy about how and why they setup filters, and it's because they get funding from the state and other sources. The guy at my school district also said that the internet should only be used at school when it's related to the curriculum, and the teacher has it in their lesson plans. Even though they never really keep their word there, they do restrict lots of sites.

But then again, part of growing up is getting in trouble. If you grow up as a perfect child, and do nothing wrong, you might be a model citizen, but you're still a tool. People mess up. Nobody's perfect. I mean, look at everyone here, you can't tell me that everyone is right about everything, including me. Of course, you want to stop getting in trouble as you get older, or else you've learned nothing. It's called experience. Just make sure not to let it happen again, or find out if you can use a different proxy port that they're not monitoring ;)

On a side note- what school district has the people/resources to monitor and track down everyone who's using this stuff? Can you say taxpayer's dollars down the drain??? It reminds me of when my high school sent out registration packets to graduated seniors... with $1.00 postage for each package for over 400 people... Gotta love it...

On a second side note (for those of you still reading my post :D ), I think I was on the verge of getting banned from our school's network. 3 years ago, a band director spread rumors about my brother and I accessing teacher's gradebooks on the network. He just helped one teacher do something with their gradebook program, since the tech people never were able to help her, but after that, he stayed away from helping because they get pissed off if students mess with that stuff. Well, during my senior year, I would use my laptop around school, and connect to any available wireless networks... Well, I was in the library doing a project with my english class, and everyone else was using these dell laptops on this mobile carts, and they were all dropping like flies because they didn't get plugged in correctly (thank Apple for the power supply recharge light, another innovation that you don't appreciate until you use a dell...) Well, everyone noticed that I was online, and then the librarians (also the people who manage the school's tech stuff) realize what I'm doing. They stare at me for a while, walk behind me a few times, and finally ask me if I'm connected to the wireless network, and I tell them that I am. They then asked how, and I told them that my hardware and OS automatically connect to any networks they can find. They couldn't believe it. Especially since I had an argument with one of these librarians about why our school should use Macs. I just showed him up, and he wasn't very happy about it. They then asked if the filtering stuff still worked, and were about ready to disconnect the wireless thing, until I told them it worked... Well, this librarian I had an argument with still didn't believe me, so he told me to go to playboy.com... sicko... well, I reluctantly typed in the URL, pressed enter, and viola! the filtering site came up... I had won, and showed that you can be more productive with a Mac than with any PC in the school. It was a good day for me... I'm just happy that the tech people at my school were either stupid, or mac people. There was this one cool Mac guy, but his only gripe was that they were too expensive for our school district, and I agreed, but then again, if our school district can blow half a thousand dollars on postage and printing to get the senior class to re-register, everything is too expensive...

tazo
Nov 24, 2003, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Durandal7
Perception dictates all action.

I would agree....just like something is only sick if you perceive it as such..

iJon
Nov 24, 2003, 10:11 PM
wow that sucks for you. if i was head of a school and knew people were hacking the computers i would just have those students help me make it more secure, just think, if its not more secure people could be changing their grades and stuff.

iJon

Doctor Q
Nov 24, 2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by MrMacman
Be back soonnn... (I hope) Is your only access to MacRumors at school? You're not going to leave us wondering how it turns out, are you?

MrMacMan
Nov 25, 2003, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
Is your only access to MacRumors at school? You're not going to leave us wondering how it turns out, are you?

no its not...

But my parents um *banned* me from the computer I am typing on right now...

So in about 5 minutes they will be home...

:(

Thursday will come... it will come.

wdlove
Nov 25, 2003, 06:58 PM
I certainly hope that things will improve for you MrMacman. Look forward to hearing from you on Thursday. Why did your parents ban you from the home computer?

Stelliform
Nov 25, 2003, 07:16 PM
You better hope they aren't pissed enough at you to make sure you are obeying your punishment since there is a nice post you made on Tuesday! ;)

I have seen my fair share of being in trouble with High School administration.

Did you know that I saw something a while back that a majority of Millionaires had been in moderate to severe trouble in highschool. Seems to be a sign MrMacMan.... Remember us when you are having lunch with Steve Jobs. ;)

Abstract
Nov 25, 2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by beez7777
thats pretty rough that they're gonna suspend you. when i was in 8th grade i got banned from the library for the entire year for hooking up 8 keyboards and 8 mice to one iMac. :)

Ha!!!! :D

Originally posted by Les Kern
If you were in my school you'd be gone forever. Our internet/tech agreement is clear, and we have no compassion for the likes of you. Goodbye.

Hahaha!!! Oh what a crime it was. Its up there with the laws against wearing an American flag on your backpack, and defacing a coin as some of the dumbest rules around.

Yes, a rule was broken, but its no worse than letting a dog off it's leash in the park or something, which is also against the law. How harmful is it? Let him check his Hotmail, for goodness sakes. Its really not that bad. :)

Originally posted by iJon
if i was head of a school and knew people were hacking the computers i would just have those students help me make it more secure, just think, if its not more secure people could be changing their grades and stuff.


Exactly what I thought when I read the 1st post.

PS: DELETE the list of websites in your "History" menu in case they check....

MrMacMan
Nov 28, 2003, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
I certainly hope that things will improve for you MrMacman. Look forward to hearing from you on Thursday. Why did your parents ban you from the home computer?

They somehow think that banning me from the computer will make me learn a lession or something... arg.

I know 'I will never do that again' but no computer back yet...

Stelliform -- Very Funny. I doubt a meeting with steve is in my future... :rolleyes:

Abstract -- Thanks, but they lock us out of so much like the control panel... and the only place I can delete the history is with the mac lab which I don't use so much (all Os 9) :(

Ah well, Expect a Full write up when I get my comp back (I'm at a friends house)...

They also gave me the packet of what I did...

They had a Thread of MacRumor's Forums in where I tell everyone that MrMacMan = MrMacMan = MrMacMan =MrMacMan Thanks* you google...

I HATE* YOU!:mad:

edited spelling with '*'

edit: #2

Google found THIS exact Thread!

Google, you are a genius, very very good work tracking me down...

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:v83LBRBBizMJ:forums.macrumors.com/archive/topic/48680-1.html+MrMacMan23+Jeremiah&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8

arrrgg!

I edited my name because ... duh.

wdlove
Nov 28, 2003, 01:25 PM
It was nice to hear from you MrMacman. I'm sure that your parents are only doing what they think is best. I know that is a hard concept now. Trust me, you will look back on this some day and laugh. Just be patient, everyone adjusts differently.

Les Kern
Nov 29, 2003, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by Abstract
Ha!!!! :D



Hahaha!!! Oh what a crime it was. Its up there with the laws against wearing an American flag on your backpack, and defacing a coin as some of the dumbest rules around.

Yes, a rule was broken, but its no worse than letting a dog off it's leash in the park or something, which is also against the law. How harmful is it? Let him check his Hotmail, for goodness sakes. Its really not that bad. :)

So put yourself in my position: I'm responsible for several thousand users and their files, the student information database, finances and more. So you think I should let him go because "boys will be boys" or some such rot? The rules are clear, and there is no second chance. Perhaps your tune will change if you ever have any responsabilties. My whole existence is tied up in security, and if anyone breaks any rules I will take them down as hard as I can. Can't you understand that? If I caught him, he would go through high school without ever touching a computer.

MrMacMan
Nov 29, 2003, 09:51 PM
Hi everyone -- I'm back.

Parents have given my computer back...

Arg what story can I give without typing for 20 minutes...

Hmmm...

Okay Well I guess this will do.

I sent an email to my school district's webmaster (also the Technology Director).

Mostly about how the new webpage was worse than the old one... And he agreeded.

I included a link to the W3C URL checker and told him that he could look into making the web sites W3C compatible... (after which he has meet standards he could put that cool logo on the site)

I also wrote a paragraph about the school filtering system. Ah it didn't say that I can bypass it. It didn't say I knew of a site that bypassed it. Heck I gave no details. What-so-ever...

Anyway that Guy... Marc Epstein (http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=Marc+Epstein+Great+Neck&btnG=Google+Search) Google'd my name...
He Also found a GREAT MacRumors Page... Using Google... shown here (http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/topic/33171-1.html)
Telling them EXACTALLY that I am MrMacMan, the same MrMacMan that is MrMacMan23 on AOL and AIM.

Thanks Google!
Found Out my Address something he would appreciate (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=9&mapdata=ULfEtX9%2beHcws8idydNXLgoYkPOhPaiFh5dvmCgZVA%2bfM1ckKPVHp1Qo%2bvwfLDyNOrwfRLLMaGsxj7qpTe8Z7P %2f%2falOhG45hGPQTNIHbz8yqEOguKWaFAmDYTZPje216yHGKYKjKhU543%2b3mDm2FskC011uYAbYSgV5L9C9hY6xurI9sULr2 ppj4ytrdJCMLoldzZ3HBZyJxUO7P2kDMFhmf5%2fo4mwH0Hs4feOOW71TQ8y2F67h%2f8PuZvfxxTiuHx%2fHm2viW30vQN3e6R5 aJpc%2fcHZ%2fL8Y98xNR8sUW0aIzMN9OV7ZtpTqUWJkShdpzxOmqEa0tHl%2fr%2fEvECp34dKY%2f%2bExqzqGPwmdDVeG%2fm sj17wOqh1uzTPg%3d%3d) ... All Public.

He Found out that I had a very Public Web Blog... and on "Thursday, October 23, 2003" 's posting I linked to a site... Besssucksmyrightnut.tk

That site was operated by my friend Josh.

He set up the site as a parody and as a bypass to the filtering software.

On the last link on the page... it goes to a 'proxy' a proxy goes around any filtering or any other proxy's for internet.

At first only friends knew of the site hence it was low key. This was for a good 2 weeks.

Then we get Freshmen... You know what, you suck. Last year, I sucked. Stop being so curious.

Their curiosity looked at someones monitor... they typed the address and within a week all of them knew about the site...

In total it got 8000 hits from the time of 10/1 to 11/19 (for reference they gave google with 106,542 hits) The Proxy site was at 1.12% of total web site use.

Anyway I linked there. They were already investingating the site to be blocked it was just a wonder that during the same time I sent him an e-mail.

He googled my name got the link and linked me to the site.

They originally thought I created it (which I didn't)... On top of that I had created my own parody site (nevery to be seen by anyone) but there it was on the Districts network. They checked my files 'ohmygosh this MUST be proof he did it!'

:rolleyes:

So when I come in on thursday by account has 'expired'

Me: Um... what the hell is this?
My Teacher: Hm... weird Login under 'her-accound/pass'
Me: Okay... I guess I'll talk to a tech teacher later about that (Ohhhh and Did I talk... more about that later)

After 3ed Period the Assistant Principle calls me and says that 'The Principle wants to speak to me'
Me: Um... what is this regarding?
Her: Please sit here (Ignoring my request)
Me: *cough* What is this about?
Her: (again ignoring me) He will be right with you.

::20-25 Minute wait::

I'm kinda annoyied since I'm missing my Lunch period for something I don't know what is about...

Finally they call me in...

I am introduced to The AP, The Principal and (tada) The District Tech Advisor (ala Marc Epstein).

Me: Um... Okay... hi...
:looks at everyone waiting for them to tell me what this is about:
Me: Did you want to speak to me about something...?
Principle: Let me be blunt, we knew you set up a site to get around Bess and we have enough evidence to Suspend you. (I'm condensing this whole speach)
Me: Sorry... I didn't set up the site.
Tech Director: We know what you have set up, we have these documents (Weilds a packet of 10-15 papers)
Me: Nononono... I, um, used the site... never set it up or anything.
Principle: Okay so who did?

I spilled the beans, my friend Josh was called to the office... yada yada we had a talk with all 3 of them (notice how the AP didn't talk throughout the whole talk... she almost never talked during the whole thing)...

I have 4 pentatlies ... 2 I can live with... 2 I can't.

I can live with:
1) Getting Booted off the Network till Atleast January
2) Going to a Meeting Dec 1st about Bess

I can't live with:
1) Writing a 3-4 page essay on Computer Ethics (ala Bess)
2) Having on my High School Record that I was suspended. This will be removed before I apply to colleges BUT was not the agreement me and my parents agreeded to when we meet the Principal on that Friday

The last one I will have to speak to him about on Monday... arg.


Oh incase you were wondering... josh the person who Set up the site... got the SAME pentatly as I -- The person who used it.


Also think about how many kids used it... 8000 Hits... that can't possible be only me and josh...

Arg it makes me so mad...

:mad:


Thats my life story...

-- Jeremiah Bornemann

Doctor Q
Nov 29, 2003, 10:09 PM
Wow! What a story. I'm glad you are back. Write the essay and get it over with. But don't trust them to clear your high school record. Insist on verifying that it gets cleared (or have your parents do it), so there's no chance it goes to a college. And keep in mind that they could still be monitoring whatever you post.

MrMacMan
Nov 29, 2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
Wow! What a story. I'm glad you are back. Write the essay and get it over with. But don't trust them to clear your high school record. Insist on verifying that it gets cleared (or have your parents do it), so there's no chance it goes to a college. And keep in mind that they could still be monitoring whatever you post.

Probably... But they can't pentatlize me for something on a site totally non-related to them...

And yes you pointed that out.

What the principal and my parents agreeded that this was to go into my record and that It was gonna say that wasn't gonna be suspended. Just to be put in there. Then before I applied for college it was to be removed barring further computer hyjinx.


But When I recieved a letter the Princibal said differently, which is what I am annoyied about and will speak to him on Monday about...


BTW, I'm finally a 601 !

Wow... thought I would never get there, especially after the political stuff got dumped... wow...

What a week.

Stelliform
Nov 29, 2003, 11:03 PM
Yeah, I am sure that they will probably be monitoring you on-line for a while... Hi Marc! Don't get mad that MrMacMan put your name in the thread and put a link to a google of your name. :rolleyes:

MrMacMac, look at it this way, I was suspended in highschool and I was the low man on the totem pole in the group (in terms of guilt)... What can I say but Highschool sucks, and it was the most miserable four years of my life. The bright side is it will be over shortly and you never have to see those losers again... And you will have the satisfaction of knowing you make more money than your former persecutors. :) Oh wait, that is what I take satisfaction in. :D

tazo
Nov 29, 2003, 11:05 PM
I dont want you to think that I dont care about your whole big long account mrmacman, but the school has a legal obligation to grant you your full lunch period. That is a law....

have an attorney send the school a latter about that; two can play their game :)

MrMacMan
Nov 30, 2003, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by tazo
I dont want you to think that I dont care about your whole big long account mrmacman, but the school has a legal obligation to grant you your full lunch period. That is a law....

have an attorney send the school a latter about that; two can play their game :)

Lol that would be great...

Yeah I only got like 4 minutes to run to the Cafe and grab something before going to science (a class which had already started 20 minutes before hand)

lol...

Stelliform -- I know Highschool is really BS... but its something I need to get into something that matters.

:(

pseudobrit
Nov 30, 2003, 12:02 PM
Filtering software is antithetical to academia.

It belongs in the rubbish heap of internet history next to ISDN and AOL.

People need to stop trying to dictate what is morally appropriate or not in public educational settings.

That said, avoid using your real name online as much as possible except in e-mail. Such preventative steps could have made quite a difference in the "investigation" this tool of a tech director ran.

voicegy
Nov 30, 2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
Filtering software is antithetical to academia. People need to stop trying to dictate what is morally appropriate or not in public educational settings.


That's it, encourage the behavior. Let's remove all filtering from Internet access in public education, and watch the school districts go bankrupt from the parent lawsuits.:rolleyes:

pseudobrit
Nov 30, 2003, 12:15 PM
Let 'em.

What's next? Suing the school for letting your 12 year-old sign out a copy of Lawrence's Lady Chatterly's Lover?

************, I say. Let kids read what they will given the guidance they got from their parents (whoops -- there's the ****ing problem, the kids don't get any because parents are too busy with their careers to be bothered to properly raise their children).

It's not our place to decide what's obscene. MrMacMan pointed out that this very site was filtered. Why?

We should not be in the position of censoring information in this day and age. It fosters an environment that discourages learning and exploring.

voicegy
Nov 30, 2003, 12:25 PM
At my school district (and I work in the IT department) we have a process in place for releasing any web sites that have inadvertantly been blocked. Web sites can go through many hosts before the user sees it, and sometimes legitimate (read: sites that are inappropriate for a public school setting, read: pornographic) get blocked because our system "sees" where it is coming from and may block it if it goes through a host that has been identified as inappropriate.

You can be sure if a request were to pass my desk to release MacRumors that I'd unblock it. (as it is, MacRumors is not blocked at my district)

I suppose you'd have schools subscribe to Playboy because of the articles.

It's not worth commenting on anymore regarding your stance when it comes to filtering sites in public education...opening up the Web to students while on school property with no filtering whatsoever stands on its own as absurd, and I'm glad you're in no position to change that.

job
Nov 30, 2003, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
It's not our place to decide what's obscene. MrMacMan pointed out that this very site was filtered. Why?

Maybe because the school district does not want the students to waste their time in school by posting on useless online message boards.

You can't tell me that posting or chatting online has any real significant educational value.

I'm mean, that's why all the college students are posting here right? ;) :p

ibookin'
Nov 30, 2003, 05:19 PM
I work in IT at a high school and we'd never have a student suspended for using a proxy server to get around the filtering software (imposed by the district, not us) unless they were using it to do other things not allowed by our AUP.

I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. I'd like to see them try and fix their problem so it doesn't happen again.

Sometimes school tech people are just plain stupid. At my university, there are open wireless networks there. When I connected to one, I noticed that the IP address I got over DHCP didn't follow the schools normal addressing scheme, and that the base was a Linksys. Sure enough, I typed the gateway address into my web browser and up popped the Linksys configuration utility, with the password unchanged from the default.

MrMacMan
Nov 30, 2003, 10:20 PM
job -- I acually had a thread I started here during school about something I knew my Computer Teacher was wrong about...
The next day when a person approved that he was wrong and I typed the forum in it was blocked...

I was forced to wait over the weekend to prove he was wrong...

:mad:

ibookin' -- wow thats great...


Where do you live?

:packs bags:

:D