Apple & The Dark Side

[mrjamin]

Get this guy! taken from http://objective.jesussave.us/propaganda.html#APPLEhttp://objective.jesussave.us/propaganda.html#APPLE

Apple Computers, makers of the popular Macintosh line of computers. The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (MacOS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under an "Open Source" license, which is just another name for Communism. They try to hide all of this under a facade of shiny, "lickable" buttons, but the truth has finally come out: Apple Computers promote Godless Darwinism and Communism.

But is this really such a shock? Lets look for a moment at Apple Computers. Founded by long haired hippies, this company has consistently supported 60's counter-cultural "values"2. But there are even darker undertones to this company than most are aware of. Consider the name of the company and its logo: an apple with a bite taken out of it. This is clearly a reference to the Fall, when Adam and Eve were tempted with an apple3 by the serpent. It is now Apple Computers offering us temptation, thereby aligning themselves with the forces of darkness4.

This company is well known for its cult-like following. It isn't much of a stretch to say that it is a cult. Consider co-founder and leader Steve Jobs' constant exhortation through advertising (i.e. mind control) that its followers should "think different". We have to ask ourselves: "think different than whom or what?" The disturbing answer is that they want us to think different than our Christian upbringing, to reject all the values that we have been taught and to heed not the message of the Lord Jesus Christ!

Given the now obvious anti-Christian and cultish nature of Apple Computers, is it any wonder that they have decided to base their newest operating system on Darwinism? This just reaffirms the position that Darwinism is an inherently anti-Christian philosophy spread through propaganda and subliminal trickery, not a science as its brainwashed followers would have us believe.

ADDENDUM: It has been brought to my attention that the Darwin OS mentioned above now has a cartoon mascot (no doubt to influence children) named Hexley (pictured above) -- a platypus dressed as a devil who performs occult magic, i.e. hexes. They're not doing a very good job keeping their ties to the forces of darkness a secret, are they?

ADDENDUM II (4/20/2002): A reader has also brought to my attention that the aforementioned Atheist and anti-Christian Evolutionist Richard Dawkins [ADDENDUM (7/27/2003): I have since added a special page on Dr. Dawkins and his activities] -- who likes to compare religion to a virus -- has used Apple's Macintosh computers since they were introduced. In fact, his infamous anti-Creation polemic The Blind Watchmaker relied heavily on an argument based on software that he wrote using a Mac. He purported to have proved Evolutionism by making his Macintosh draw little squiggles -- or "biomorphs" as he called them -- that changed over "generations". (This of course begs the question: if it took a created machine running created software to make these squiggles, how then does that refute Creation?)

While I initially suspected that the Apple connection here was mere coincidence, I dug deeper into the issue -- luckily, we at Fellowship Baptist have an extensive research library that also includes a representative collection of anti-Christian hate literature which we use for just this sort of investigation -- and was shocked at what I found. In the 1996 edition of his book, Dawkins includes two appendices detailing his little program. The first (included in the original 1986 edition) is entitled "Blind Watchmaker: An Application for the Apple Macintosh Computer". The first illustration on the same page as the title shows a Mac window (similar to the Explorer windows seen in Microsoft's OS) and the rest of the appendix includes many screen shots from a Mac, a number of them even featuring the bitten apple logo. It gets even more perverse in the second appendix (added material from 1991) entitled "Computer Programs and 'the Evolution of Evolvability'" (infinite recursion like this is a sure sign of a flaw in a theory). Here he shows how he "evolved" the "inspired artefact with which all this work was done"... the word "Macintosh"!

At the end of the appendix he even encourages the reader to switch from IBM compatible computers to Macintoshes, saying that "you can exult in something of the feeling of liberation that may have attended evolution's great watershed events." What a ringing endorsement for Apple computers that is!

As you can see, The problem is much worse than we had originally thought as Apple has been aiding and abetting ardent Evolutionists like Dawkins since at least the mid 1980's.

ADDENDUM III (4/20/2002): Another reader (it has been busy today!) has informed me of another link between Apple and the forces of darkness that my initial research missed. Apparently the Darwin OS is not the original creation of Apple Computers but is instead based off of an older, obsolete OS called "BSD Unix". The child-indoctrinatingly-cute cartoon mascot of this OS is a devil holding a pitchfork (pictured right). This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a new Macintosh running OS X then you probably have these "daemons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want! This clearly illustrates that not only is Macintosh based on Darwinism, but Darwinism is based on Satanism.

ADDENDUM IV (4/21/2002): Apparently anti-Christian zealots -- as well as shocked Christians who have unwittingly become Mac owners -- are linking to this article, which explains the large number of emails we have received on this topic. More clues have come in showing the dark nature of Apple Computers. According to one of our readers, the new MacOS X contains another Satanic holdover from the "BSD Unix" OS mentioned above; to open up certain locked files one has to run a program much like the DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a secret code: "chmod 666". What other horrors lurk in this thing?

ADDENDUM V (4/29/2002): It appears we have entered a terrible new phase in the Evolutionism propaganda campaign that Apple Computers has been waging. Apple has just announced the "eMac", a Macintosh computer designed specifically to smuggle Darwinism into our schools! According to their propagandistic sloganeering, the "e" in "eMac" ostensibly stands for "education", although it should be obvious to readers by now that it's really a cryptic tipping of the hat to their true agenda: "Evolutionism". However, this isn't the only thing hiding behind this choice of moniker; according to my research, the name eMac is also a referrence to "Emacs", a program that is a standard-bearer for the Communistic Open Source movement mentioned above and whose mascot is some sort of effeminate-looking, horned devil-man. Is there no end to this tangled web of evil?

ADDENDUM VI (8/29/2002): I feel it is necessary to report here -- especially since this page continues to be referenced by those concerned about anti-Christian propaganda -- that Apple Computers' desire to convert people to the religion of Evolutionism has become more overt in recent months with their "Switch" campaign. This advertising blitz uses what they insist are "normal" people (although I wouldn't call a beatnik writer or a rambling, dazed teen5 normal people, but I guess this is Apple's hippy roots resurfacing,) to try and convince people to Switch from being decent Christians to crypto-Evolutionists in some sort of bizarre perversion of Christian Witnessing. (I personally have not seen any of these ads on the TV, but perhaps that is because the good folks at the PAX Network have made the wise decision to not air this cultural filth. The ads can, however, be viewed in all their propagandistic glory on the Apple website for you students of cultic mind-control.) Although called "Switch", this campaign is actually "Bait and Switch", luring the average, unsuspecting person with the false promise of "compatibility" (both with normal computers and Christianity) only to later foist acceptance of Evolutionism and anti-Christian values on them via the techniques discussed above.

One additional technique that I have noticed while perusing their new literature is the common cult tactic of indoctrination through a special insider language. This technique linguistically isolates new recruits from the outside world, forcing them to become more dependent on their cult handlers6. For instance, an industry standard connection for peripherals is idiosyncratically retermed "FireWire" (or should we just be honest and call it "HellFireWire"?) while the familiar Recycle Bin is given its new cult name of "Trash Can". Any "Switcher" trying to purchase equipment for their new computer or get assistance will be forced by this linguistic ghettoization into dealing with the only people that can understand the strange argot: brainwashed Macintosh users. It is then that the process of unbuilding the "Mac Newbie" and reshaping him or her into an Evolutionist begins.

[rainman::|:|]

you know this is a joke, right? the core of this has been around for some time, in various forms... it's actually pretty funny... i think the joke started when apple had problems with the church of satan endorsing their computer... apple somehow considered that bad press...

pnw

[TEG]

Can anyone say MORON!

I can't believe anyone would fall for this crap. It actually makes me ashamed to be lumped in with these retarted fake christians (Any Televangelests or anyone who reads more into anything than there really is and then claims its anti christian). Also, it is mentioned that evolution is anti-christian, that is simply not true, Darwin was a Catholic, and claimed evolution as the source of the animals, he still believed in creation for origin of man.

I'm now throughly upset, I need a long shower to wash the stink of all this uninformed christian BS, before I have a stroke.

TEG

[eyelikeart]

Yeah, it's funny & dumb. I don't think one needs to be "elite" to read about Darwin on www.apple.com

[mrjamin]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
Yeah, it's funny & dumb. I don't think one needs to be "elite" to read about Darwin on www.apple.com

my sentiments exactly!

I'm not sure it is a joke, y'know? The rest of the site seems pretty serious - being a christian I've come accross similar 'genuine' stuff on the net myself! There's a whole website dedicated to declaring that CCM (contemporary christian music) is infact satanic.

[sonofslim]

the site is absolutely a joke. it got a little press a few years ago when they first published the Darwin story, and a month or so ago it made the rounds again with their fake christian science fair article. the site has managed to stay below the radar for the most part, so when it does pop up now and then, there are always plenty of people who haven't heard of it before.

that said, i do think the site is flat-out hilarious. and mad props to whoever is behind it for keeping a straight face. the site doesn't break character once. if i recall correctly, someone did some digging when the Darwin bit was first being passed around and managed to identify it as a spoof somehow... i'll see if i can find reference to it.

[AmigoMac]

:D :D :D


I've heard a lot of similar histories but around B Gates and something that his ASCII code was the 666, that's why I switched. ;) ... ok, not really but that story of "Blue Screen" does not look a good one...

Why is Apple using those animal names as codes for the OS releases?

Why is MS naming LONG-HORN an OS, is that not a devil reference?

BS! You believe what you want, you accept what your mind is prepared for...

is Linux a kind of illegal group, or is Mr. Trovalds a kind of Computer angel?

I won't be tired of repeating BS about this...

P.S It's just my point of view, you don't have to reply "I agree" "You're right"
;)

[patrick0brien]

-All

Aren't phychoses grand?

And the poor fellow doesn't know it.

[Snowy_River]

This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a new Macintosh running OS X then you probably have these "daemons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want!

Just a bit of a history lesson. (Yeah, if I had the energy maybe I'd choose to send it to the author, but I don't really. And, whether or not the site is a joke, I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that would believe every word of it. That fact alone makes it seem not unreasonable that it is, in fact, for real.)

The original meaning of the word demon (or daemon, which is, in fact, closer to the original greek) is an inferior deity, such as a deified hero or an attendant spirit. It was the Catholic Church that changed the meaning of the word by referring to demons as fallen or dark spirits in the 'authorized' version of the New Testament, in its attempt to dominate the religious scene at the time. Many, many symbols of good things in the so called pagan religions were villified by the Catholic Church. (As a side note, at the time the Catholic Church was just about all there was to Christianity - this was before the birth of Protestantism.)

So, if you ask my opinion, things like 'demon' and 'darwin' are just words. What matters is what the words mean to us. If you cannot see past the negative implications that have been given to the word 'demon' through centuries of religious propaganda (and let's be honest that this is what it was...), then by all means, don't use any computers that have 'daemon' applications. However, I rather suspect that before long you'll not be able to run any computers at all.

[phrancpharmD]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
you know this is a joke, right?
yes but. . .
Originally posted by TEG
I can't believe anyone would fall for this crap
well, you see, perhaps you might have noticed. . . (I added the bold for emphasis)
luckily, we at Fellowship Baptist have an extensive research library that also includes a representative collection of anti-Christian hate literature. . .

and that the author of the "expose"
comes to our movement through his involvement in fighting other forms of anti-Christian hatecrimes. He has lead successful boycotts against Sears and Piggly-Wiggly and has spearheaded the movement to stop Evolutionism from being forced on the children of Marian County. His experience in dealing with secularism's desperate grasp on power has proved invaluable as we move into the next phase of our campaign. Dr. Paley teaches Divinity and Theobiology at Fellowship University.

Originally posted by Snowy_River
And, whether or not the site is a joke, I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that would believe every word of it. That fact alone makes it seem not unreasonable that it is, in fact, for real.


Do not underestimate the power these "evangelical" extremists have over their "congregations." Even if this is a hoax, there are most likely REAL Southern Baptist and other evangelical groups seizing upon this tripe to suit their own agendas. But I do think in all reality that this man actually BELIEVES what he is reporting to be true. I'm suprised this garbage hasn't been picked up by Fox News yet. . .

[Durandal7]

Let's not have this pointless debate again. This is %100 a hoax. As I recall it was admitted to be a hoax by the author after someone figured out the origin was a joke site mocking religion in general.

It is a hoax, don't bother treating it as more then a joke. Actually I wouldn't call it a hoax since the original intent was satire and not to trick people. :rolleyes:

It is amusing to see certain atheists go into a dogmatic rage that rivals the evangelicals over a joke however.

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by Durandal7
Let's not have this pointless debate again. This is %100 a hoax. As I recall it was admitted to be a hoax by the author after someone figured out the origin was a joke site mocking religion in general.

It is a hoax, don't bother treating it as more then a joke. Actually I wouldn't call it a hoax since the original intent was satire and not to trick people. :rolleyes:

It is amusing to see certain atheists go into a dogmatic rage that rivals the evangelicals over a joke however.

The point that I was trying to make was that even if this is a hoax, it's written so straight faced that it opens itself up to misuse by Christian fundamentalists. My uncle is among those ranks, and I'm fairly sure that if he read this that he'd be appalled and immediately switch to Windows (yes, he's currently a Darwin using Mac owner).

I've heard very similar things being preached by ministers with much weaker arguments to stand on than those that are provided in this argument.

So, whether or not this is a hoax (note, I'm not convinced that it is just because you say it is), having such a clearly written piece give amunition to the Christian fundamentalists.

(By the way, I'm not an athiest. :rolleyes: )

[phrancpharmD]

Originally posted by Snowy_River
The point that I was trying to make was that even if this is a hoax, it's written so straight faced that it opens itself up to misuse by Christian fundamentalists

That was my point exactly too. The individuals and groups that honestly believe Dungeons and Dragons, Judas Priest, video games, and other stuff are responsible for murders and suicides don't need any ammuntion for other worthless "causes."

Originally posted by Snowy_River
(By the way, I'm not an athiest. :rolleyes: )

Just for the record, neither am I.

[lmann]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, holy *****, you guys must have NOTHING to do espacially not the poster since you have time enough to post a thread like this. Get a life...:cool:

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by lmann
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, holy *****, you guys must have NOTHING to do espacially not the poster since you have time enough to post a thread like this. Get a life...:cool:

-lmann

Why are you here then?

Don't be flamebait.

[lmann]

hehe, yep you're right. However, I didn't read the whole thread, stopped halfway the first part. But in the whole you're right...:D

[SiliconAddict]

Hmmm I wonder how many instances of 666 are in Panther's code....hmmmm ;)

If you play Steve's launch speech for panther backwards will it tell us to worship Satan?!?! :eek: Steve Jobs is exposed as the minion of the Devil on the next Oprah!!!

Honestly. This is obviously BS. I've seen similar posts about how to tell if your child is a hacker. That one is priceless. I need to dig that up and post it.

[SiliconAddict]

Pure gold....
As an enlightened, modern parent, I try to be as involved as possible in the lives of my six children. I encourage them to join team sports. I attend their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the premises. I keep a fatherly eye on the CDs they listen to and the shows they watch, the company they keep and the books they read. You could say I'm a model parent. My children have never failed to make me proud, and I can say without the slightest embellishment that I have the finest family in the USA.

Two years ago, my wife Carol and I decided that our children's education would not be complete without some grounding in modern computers. To this end, we bought our children a brand new Compaq to learn with. The kids had a lot of fun using the handful of application programs we'd bought, such as Adobe's Photoshop and Microsoft's Word, and my wife and I were pleased that our gift was received so well. Our son Peter was most entranced by the device, and became quite a pro at surfing the net. When Peter began to spend whole days on the machine, I became concerned, but Carol advised me to calm down, and that it was only a passing phase. I was content to bow to her experience as a mother, until our youngest daughter, Cindy, charged into the living room one night to blurt out: "Peter is a computer hacker!"
As you can imagine, I was amazed. A computer hacker in my own house! I began to monitor my son's habits, to make certain that Cindy wasn't just telling stories, as she is prone to doing at times.

After a few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking, I confronted Peter with the evidence. I'm afraid to say, this was the only time I have ever been truly disappointed in one of my children. We raised them to be honest and to have integrity, and Peter betrayed the principles we tried to encourage in him, when he refused point blank to admit to his activities. His denials continued for hours, and in the end, I was left with no choice but to ban him from using the computer until he is old enough to be responsible for his actions.

After going through this ordeal with my own family, I was left pondering how I could best help others in similar situations. I'd gained a lot of knowledge over those few days regarding hackers. It's only right that I provide that information to other parents, in the hope that they will be able to tell if their children are being drawn into the world of hacking. Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the straight and narrow before extreme measures need to be employed.

To this end, I have decided to publish the top ten signs that your son is a hacker. I advise any parents to read this list carefully and if their son matches the profile, they should take action. A smart parent will first try to reason with their son, before resorting to groundings, or even spanking. I pride myself that I have never had to spank a child, and I hope this guide will help other parents to put a halt to their son's misbehaviour before a spanking becomes necessary.

1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs?

Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL. These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy, and take careful measures to ensure that your internet experience is enjoyable, educational and above all legal. If your child is becoming a hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker friendly provider.

I would advise all parents to refuse this request. One of the reasons your son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child safety filter. This filter is vital to any parent who wants his son to enjoy the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult" content. It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than using a home-based solution. If your son is becoming a hacker, he will be able to circumvent any home-based measures with surprising ease, using information gleaned from various hacker sites.


2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?

Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".

The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing him with a grounding.


3. Has your child asked for new hardware?

Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer.

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.


4. Does your child read hacking manuals?

If you pay close attention to your son's reading habits, as I do, you will be able to determine a great deal about his opinions and hobbies. Children are at their most impressionable in the teenage years. Any father who has had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can have on inexperienced minds.

There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.

If you find any of these hacking manuals in your child's possession, confiscate them immediately. You should also petition local booksellers to remove these titles from their shelves. You may meet with some resistance at first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure.


5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?

If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours. If your son is doing this, he is breaking the law, and you should stop him immediately. The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day.


6. Does your son use Quake?

Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school.

If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school.


7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?

As a child enters the electronic world of hacking, he may become disaffected with the real world. He may lose the ability to control his actions, or judge the rightness or wrongness of a course of behaviour. This will manifest itself soonest in the way he treats others. Those whom he disagrees with will be met with scorn, bitterness, and even foul language. He may utter threats of violence of a real or electronic nature.

Even when confronted, your son will probably find it difficult to talk about this problem to you. He will probably claim that there is no problem, and that you are imagining things. He may tell you that it is you who has the problem, and you should "back off" and "stop smothering him." Do not allow yourself to be deceived. You are the only chance your son has, even if he doesn't understand the situation he is in. Keep trying to get through to him, no matter how much he retreats into himself.


TO BE CONTINUTED.....

[SiliconAddict]

8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.


9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?

If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this) There are many such hackers in schools today, and your son may have started to associate with them. If you notice that your son's group of friends includes people dressed like this, it is time to think about a severe curfew, to protect him from dangerous influences.


10. Is your son struggling academically?

If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku" hacker association. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and Chemistry. In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically.


I encourage all parents to read through this guide carefully. Your child's future may depend upon it. Hacking is an illegal and dangerous activity, that may land your child in prison, and tear your family apart. It cannot be taken too seriously.

[patrick0brien]

-SiliconAddict

OMFG. I just LOL'ed in French (Canadian)!

[MacAficionado]

This is cool.

Really, some people need to get girlfriends.

[lmann]

So why are you in here then ?

[tazo]

"Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash"."

Jesus. Christ..

[Sayhey]

Has anyone looked at this site's store? Whoever did the satire here is great - look at the "Ruby's thong underwear"

This uncomfortable undergarment will be a daily reminder to unmarried women to find a husband and a emergency moral reminder to her would-be-suitor. (For use under traditional underwear only.)

This product is designed to fit juniors. It fits snug, sizes run small. Please see our size chart for more information.

This is got to be one of the best parodies or the sickest group of creationist nuts out there!

[bryanc]

Originally posted by TEG
Can anyone say MORON!
Also, it is mentioned that evolution is anti-christian, that is simply not true, Darwin was a Catholic, and claimed evolution as the source of the animals, he still believed in creation for origin of man.


Uh, sorry, that is not correct. Although Darwin was raised a Christian, his research convinced him that the teachings of the church could not possibly be correct. He did remain a theist, but abandoned orthodox Christianity (although his wife remained strongly Christian).

More importantly, Darwin's "Origins" explicitly states that Homo sapiens is by no means biologically privileged, and that we evolved from a primate ancestor (which, in turn, had descended from other organisms back to the origins of life on earth). This insistence by Darwin that we are part of the same fabric of life that includes all other life on earth is really what caused most of the controversy, and what required the greatest scientific integrity on Darwin's part.

"We must, however, acknowledge as it seems to me, that a man with all his noble qualities...still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin."
Charles Darwin

[x86isslow]

He did remain a theist, but abandoned orthodox Christianity (although his wife remained strongly Christian).
theist? do you perhaps mean deist? :D
yes, his wife was the main reason he waited so long to publish his theories- he was afraid that she'd walk out on him if he published it.

[edesignuk]

That was funny! http://upload.edesignuk.net/uploaded_data/smilies/rollinglaugh.gif Stupid, but funny...

[manitoubalck]

Dam you Sayhey for reviving this dead thread.

[Phil Of Mac]

Personally, I guessed that it was real.

Jesus H. Tapdancin' Christ. This is one weird website.

"This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.)"

[CmdrLaForge]

Maybe it wants to be funny. Its stupid and dangerous as well. Not everyone understands it and thinks its funny, a lot will take it for real.

[whooleytoo]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
Maybe it wants to be funny. Its stupid and dangerous as well. Not everyone understands it and thinks its funny, a lot will take it for real.

That's the problem. One guy writes a spoof of extremist Christian views, then others seize upon this as more evidence of the craziness of those religious views. It's a bit circular, isn't it?

[matthew24]

'The whole world lies under the sway (or control NIV) of the wicked one' 1John 5:19b NKJV.

I guess this is Apple included!?

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
Dam you Sayhey for reviving this dead thread.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Dare I say it? - the Devil made me do it!

[Dippo]

Well I am all about defending fellow Christians and their beliefs but I think that some people are just crazy!

I wonder why they didn't mention the $666.66 price tag of the first Apple...that would surely show that Apple is the devil :)


(thread CPR in progress, sorry)

[kylos]

(mods - not sure if this is the best place to post this. I was going to respond to the thread on this subject that I originally posted in, but that got closed. (not sure why similar topics are closed. There are unique threads of conversation in each.:D) If this post deserves to be spawned, then so be it.)

Hopping over here from the other thread. Anyhow, to uber, such religious wackos do exist and I would have written them off as a hoax originally if I hadn't visited the link to the Landover Baptist site which seems to be what you would expect from a hoax about extreme fundamentalism. It seemed realistic that you might meet someone with such views (sad to think something like that might happen). After having checked their store, though, I'm kinda convinced it's a hoax.:D

cr2sh, I don't believe the way I do because I think I have all the answers. That would be pretty arrogant. I believe what I do because I believe that a greater power than all exists and by extension that such a power must set the rules. Absolute truth, if you want, but it's not my truth, it's the truth of the essence of existence (God).

Now, you'll say that belief in God is foolishness. Having devoted quite a bit of thought to this matter, I've come to feel that the opposite is much closer to the truth. This issue has to do with the very matter of existence.

Think of it like this. Where did life on this earth come from? Some might say Mars. Where did this earth come from? Some will say some sort of gravitational field that eventually formed planets from matter floating in the universe. Now where did life itself come from? You might be told that in just the right atmosphere all the right chemicals came together to form proteins and amino acids, the building blocks of life. Where did this atmosphere come from? where did the universe even come from? At such a point, even leading physicists are forced to admit that such a scenario can only be labeled a contradiction ie. the laws of physics cease to have relevance. To stretch this out a bit further, we've all heard of anti-matter. Maayybbee, nothing split into matter and anti-matter. Read my sig. And then start to think about nothingness.

Some conclusions to such ideas:
One, attribute eternal qualities to nature. Say that at the beginning nature just was and eventually the process of evolution began. So nature is God and is the supreme dictator of behavior. This conclusion skirts the main issue, though, in assuming nature just was.
Two, anti-matter and matter were formed out of nothing and can combine at the end of time to form nothing again. But reading my sig raises some questions then about the very issue of nothingness. Anyway, what could cause such a split? Easiest explanation is some source of pure energy that forced existence into being. Well then, this energy needs to have eternal qualities, otherwise we'll begin this cycle all over again. Such infinite power sounds quite like you might describe God. All-powerful, All-knowing, everywhere.

Really, whatever way you want to begin the universe, the truth is, it has to begin. And to begin, it has to begin beginning (etc). Or it could have a creator that is greater and is outside of this realm. Something so powerful that the laws of nature cannot understand it, since the laws of nature were defined by it. Something a human really can't understand. And this isn't trying to take the easy way out. When you think about it, it's the only way out. Otherwise, you try to ignore such issues or get stuck in an infinite loop trying to explain where everything came from and your answers suddenly start sounding a lot like your describing God, the essence of existence.