SORRY, No G5 AT NY

[pacoarango]

Its impossible to release G5 by summer, face it, Apple could never sell existing stock of current G4. The speed difference would be too large and Apple would have to kill pricing and loose big on existing G4s. Expect max dual 1.4 with DDR, 10.2 OS and enjoy. (That is nearly a 80% boost):(

[mr.w]

I'd agree... G5's will most likely join the apple line-up in january. hopefully we'll see a huge suprise in their architecture though, seeing as how there's been so much talk about them for such a long time (possibly motorola is adding even more kick a@@ components). i wouldn't be suprised if the g5 blew the new AMD chip out of the water.

[King Cobra]

Yeah, it is sad. But since there probably will not be any G5s there, we are probably in for one big time speed bump on the G4s, as so many people here have rumored.

To recap:
1.0GHz
1.2GHz (S/Dual?)
Dual 1.4GHz

The G5s may show at San Fransisco, but probably not at New York. I guess the iMac still needs more highlightin'.
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[mymemory]

I have my Pismo G3 500 and my PowerMac G4 400 and I'm doing rendering faster in the Pismo.

Is gonna be the same thing with G5 I think. We do not know, the aspects of the G3 and G4 were not too much different. Unless the G5 becomes 64 bit. The thing is that we go used to have the G4 name for too long and we want a change. My be G5 by december.

[jwdawso]

pacoarango -

Thanks for the facts! I didn't know Apple had so many PowerMac G4s so as to prevent releasing G5s.

BTW - Apple is so stupid - they build a million computers the first week of the year and then wait until they are all sold before releasing a new model.

[Macmaniac]

I agree that they won't be at MWNY. I would like to see 1.4ghz or 1.5ghz DP at MWNY with DDRAM, that would be nice.

[cb911]

it was posted right here in Macrumors about a week and a half ago that there wouldn't be any G5s at NY. and the specs for the new PowerMacs have also been leaked:
all G4s - 1GHz, 1.2GHz and dual 1.4GHz.
theres no mystery here, i'm sure i'm not the only one who has know this for the past week.

[Kid Red]

Just curious how you guys think Apple all of a sudden does increments of 200mhz? That's like a full line update, not a single update. It will probably be 1ghz, 1.1(13)ghz and maybe a dual 1.2(67)ghz. Unless they have a new board that allows the 200mhz jumps, I don't see it.

[mr.w]

Originally posted by Kid Red
Just curious how you guys think Apple all of a sudden does increments of 200mhz? That's like a full line update, not a single update. It will probably be 1ghz, 1.1(13)ghz and maybe a dual 1.2(67)ghz. Unless they have a new board that allows the 200mhz jumps, I don't see it.

A 400mhz boost makes sense. The G4 has a limit of 1.5 ghz (projected), we've got 8 months 'till the G5 (hopefully) comes out in Jan. If apple doesn't max out (or almost) the limit of their technology then it will be seen as a letdown to the apple comunity. We're already loosing the mhz war to AMD and Intel, and because of this a lot of pros may buy Wintel boxes in the comming future. If apple doesn't step up to the plate soon, the'll be screwed, and we'll all be dissapointed. Apple knows this, and i don't think they want that to happen. I'm personally waiting for the G5 to come out before i shell out another $3800 on a computer.

but my projections (as are many) are:
1 ghz single
1.2 ghz single
1.4 ghz dual

anything less will be seen as a dissapointment

[strider42]

Originally posted by jwdawso

BTW - Apple is so stupid - they build a million computers the first week of the year and then wait until they are all sold before releasing a new model.

it wasn't that long ago that apple had something like only 3 days of stock on their machines on hand at any given point. I don't think they are building a bunch of computers and waiting for them to be sold. Its much more likely, given their past practices and recognized good business practices, that they are still operating in such a way that limits their available stock to no more than a week at a time. Thats not to say it doesn't get backed up sometimes, but they aren't building a huge amount and then waiting.

[kaneda]

Why G5 will kill G4 product lines??? When they release a G5, it will be for the pros, and not for consumer. They definitely still can use the G4 for ibook (currently G3), tibook (for another year), and imac (G3 for emac, G4 lamp mac). G5 will only before the Powermac, which most graphic designers, film studio use it...

But I know a lot of designers will be very disappointed when MWNY comes. I don't think Apple will release a G5. I don't want to get my hope up too much. I am one of the designer is waiting for a G5. :D

[cb911]

g3 for the eMac? it already has a G4 and i doubt that Apple is going to go backwards.

why would you be dissapointed at NY? dual 1.4GHz G4s are definitely something to get excited about.

[D*I*S_Frontman]

*** I have been trolling these threads trying to get this answered. Please forgive me if you've seen this question more than once: ***

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I have a rather straightforward question. As long as everyone seems to be under the impression that G5's are not forthcoming in July, and that additional motherboard updates and modest CPU speed bumps are all we can expect, is it possble that we could see multiple processor usage increase? 4, 6, or 8 G4 chips in a new tower designed to aggressively suck the extra heat out?

I am obviously not a hardware engineer, so I don't know what extra throughput pressures additional processors put on a motherboard or drives, but if OS X is so fabulous at spreading out processing work across multiple CPU's, then why not a quad 1ghz tower? I'd love to run at least 48 simultaneous tracks of 96khz/24bit audio using MOTU's Digital Performer with scads and scads of plug-ins runniing as well. I don't care if the chip is G3, G4, G5, or G to the 47th power--I just want real-world functionality.

So, oh wisened Mac tech gurus, tell me why Apple wouldn't just jam towers full of CPUs as a stop-gap between now and when the next chip actually ships? Or after, for that matter!

Anxiously awaiting your answers...
Bart

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by Kid Red
Just curious how you guys think Apple all of a sudden does increments of 200mhz? That's like a full line update, not a single update. It will probably be 1ghz, 1.1(13)ghz and maybe a dual 1.2(67)ghz. Unless they have a new board that allows the 200mhz jumps, I don't see it.

Apple is so far behind in the MHz war they can't afford to jump any less than 200MHz per item. You're probably right, though. :rolleyes: These 1.2 and 1.4 specs are just the rumor specs that are always floating around.

[dantec]

At least, if I get DDR- I won't whine.

Now if the G5 doesn't come out my MWNY, I seriously think Apple should consider AMD in the near future. How bout making AMD join the PowerPC's alliance in Moto's place??? Then would have all the funding they need from the PC (Athion) side, and maybe one day could force the PowerPC down big PC companies throats!!!

Although it would have heat issues, why doesn't Apple just go crazy and give me a 8 or 16 processor machine!!! I seriously need to write to them!!!

Perhaps we will see the return of the cube. I was just thinking today, PC companies will NEVER make a cube. Why? Because Intel's & AMD's chips cause so much heat, it would look more like a cube with 50cm3 of fans around it.. :S

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by Hemingray


Apple is so far behind in the MHz war they can't afford to jump any less than 200MHz per item. You're probably right, though. :rolleyes: These 1.2 and 1.4 specs are just the rumor specs that are always floating around.

They may be behind in the mhz numbers, but as for performance, I can't imagine how much faster things could be on my dual gig. X is butter on this machine, and in 9, it's surreal how fast it is. I seriously can't imagine how non-animation and non-video users would even be able to use a say 1.4ghz G4/5. They'd never put it to it's pull use. That's why I laugh when Mary Sue goes and buys a 2.0ghz Pllll to surf the net, lol

That's like an old lady driving a lamborghini knowing she'll never do even the speed limit.

A lot of people don't need anything faster then my dual gig, so when I read posts complaining Apple must be at 2.0ghz G5 by tomorrow or it's dooms day, I have to laugh :)

[pc2mac_convert]

Originally posted by Hemingray


Apple is so far behind in the GHz war they can't afford to jump any less than 200MHz per item. You're probably right, though. :rolleyes: These 1.2 and 1.4 specs are just the rumor specs that are always floating around.

Here's the way I look at it - Apple knows exactly what its doing, whether or not 1.2 and 1.4 are on the way in July... If this weren't the case, they wouldn't have $4Billion in tangible assetts http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/a/aapl_qb.html, and a nice profit margin to boot.

You've heard this a thousand times, but I'm gonna' repeat it: people use Mac for a specific purpose - and for most of these people, whether the performance of the next pmac increases in a major or minor way in July, they will continue to do their work on a Mac... period. If you're an Apple user purely because of the GHz number itself - I have to ask - when exactly did you notice that Apple was "behind"???

However, for those who are truly 'concerned' for Apple's sake - remember this... non-mac users who equate GHz with performance are usually also capable of simple math skills... Don't think for a second that Apple doesn't realize the simple logic to this - they've got a great marketing team [I'm serious about this]... For example, what do you get when you add 1.0 and 1.0? 2.0. Now, where've I seen that number before??? Oh, and what about 1.2 + 1.2... 2.4. Gee, that number looks familiar too... Oh, and 1.4 + 1.4? Hah! 2.8 - another familiar GHz marketing number...

I mean, really - Anyone who's done there research switches to Apple not because of the GHz number, but for other, more well-thought-out and beneficial reasons. For those who aren't to that point, Apple has decided to help them along (with duals), assuming the person is capable of adding together the speed ratings of two processors. What we're really looking at is marketing genius...

Later,
happy convert

[King Cobra]

A couple of quick notes.

First, to convert: That name would be quite reasonable for your first several posts.

Second, also to convert: If Apple was talking 1.4MHz we would be going back to the aged Apple I and we would be, I'd say, a little behind. :) Apple is talking GHz now.

Third, to dantec: I think Apple hardly goes beyond 2 processors, since the prices would be just way too high with the current top model chips.

And, if you have noticed my 3-way processor theory, I strongly doubt the G5 as well, since the iBook followed up with a G3. Just my thoughts.
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[pc2mac_convert]

DOH!! That's what I get for workin' too many hours - or something! Maybe I was thinking back to the grand 'ol days of my IIgs???

Hey - throw me a bone, people! ;)

[King Cobra]

Originally posted by pc2mac_convert
DOH!! That's what I get for workin' too many hours - or something! Maybe I was thinking back to the grand 'ol days of my IIgs???

Hey - throw me a bone, people! ;)

Easy, guy. Relax. I was joking around.

We all make mistakes. It happens to the best of us...and of course you to, pc2mac_convert. :)

I'm sure you will enjoy the posts. Have fun.
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[pc2mac_convert]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Easy, guy. Relax. I was joking around.

We all make mistakes. It happens to the best of us...and of course you to, pc2mac_convert. :)

I'm sure you will enjoy the posts. Have fun.

I don't use windows anymore, so relaxing just seems so much easier. Perhaps its because my Pismo has NEVER crashed in the two years I've owned it???

Taken your advice I have... Fun, these posts shall be... :D

[dantec]

Long live the Macintosh.

It's nice to have people like you guys to chat with... Never have seen a windows forum site where they talk about rumors... hehe

[britboy]

Originally posted by dantec
Long live the Macintosh.

It's nice to have people like you guys to chat with... Never have seen a windows forum site where they talk about rumors... hehe

Probably because the best rumours a windows forum could have would be "is that virus threat real of just another hoax?" :D

If apple were to release dual 1.4GHz with DDR-Ram, i certaintly wouldn't be dissappointed. That would be a screaming system! If the could release a quad G4, then i would be in heaven, the plastic would come out, and my fiancee would throttle me :) I can't see it happening yet though. The G4 still has potential to increase the MHz a little before that becomes neccessary.

[pc2mac_convert]

Originally posted by britboy


Probably because the best rumours a windows forum could have would be "is that virus threat real of just another hoax?" :D



Actually - in this case the rumor is worse! http://slashdot.org/articles/02/05/20/2124248.shtml?tid=109

Supposedly, M$ is claiming that it would be detrimental to society - even jeopardizing lives - if they were required to release their code because, yes, it really is that bad.

Just one more example to go Apple. Can't wait for 1.4 duals... Oh yeah - and a bonus - code that doesn't threaten millions of lives! :D

[jamesbhai]

Apple's web site could suffice for a windoze rumor sites. In a year or two, apple technologies usually end up in windoze machines. Microsoft R&D.

[Gfour?]

I think that apple needs to release a 1.4, 1.6 and a 2 Ghz G4

Why? If they don't the will stay to far behind of the pentium 4.

I know all about the speeds and Mhz specs.
myth etc etc.

But if apple want to take some market share (PC, Unix and other costumer users) they need Higher speeds.

And I think that when apple will release a 1.2, 1.4 and a 1.6Ghz They will loose market share.
(pentium is almost at the 3 Ghz)

(I work, live and sleep with my mac so don't misunderstand me)


Now the best news of all. Last january (MWSF 2002) I was talking to two VIP's
they where talking about the problem why steve did not show the G5 at MWSF.

(steve joint us later on and conformed)

Problem 1: DDR ram - solved now 233 (G4) and 333 (G5) Mhz

Problem 2: Rapid I|O or bus increasement - solved now 133 (G4) and 266 (G5)Mhz bus

Problem 3: current OS not compatible with the G5 - Solved now with 10.2

Problem 4: Production G5 chips - SOLVED

They where talking about the G5 1.8, 2.0 and the 2.2 Ghz

I saw the demo G5 running at 2.0 Ghz

Steve Jobs Quote " We need to keep track on those pentium guys", "Motorola has started the production of our G5"

This is all for now...

[Falleron]

First, as much as I hope your right about the specs I really dont think so! The Macs are not that far behind as to merit a double in speed! I agree that more speed is the key to more market share, BUT, there are other factors!

No offense, but why are you telling us this info now + not back in January??

QUOTE:

Now the best news of all. Last january (MWSF 2002) I was talking to two VIP's
they where talking about the problem why steve did not show the G5 at MWSF.

(steve joint us later on and conformed)

Problem 1: DDR ram - solved now 233 (G4) and 333 (G5) Mhz

Problem 2: Rapid I|O or bus increasement - solved now 133 (G4) and 266 (G5)Mhz bus

Problem 3: current OS not compatible with the G5 - Solved now with 10.2

Problem 4: Production G5 chips - SOLVED

They where talking about the G5 1.8, 2.0 and the 2.2 Ghz

I saw the demo G5 running at 2.0 Ghz

Steve Jobs Quote " We need to keep track on those pentium guys", "Motorola has started the production of our G5"

This is all for now... [/B][/QUOTE]

Are you saying that OSX.2 is going to be a 64Bit version??

[Pentium Killer]

Geforce 7 TI and Bus speed up to 1.5 GHZ....get serious,man and do not tell us such crap,sorry,have read enough of those people saying I know someone who works for Apple....if it was a joke,forgive me :mad:
I meant you,Gfour ;)

[atomwork]

I love that never endling discussion. heheh. Also I have to ask you guys when enough is enough. Couple month ago i switched from a G3 400 to a G4 800 (loaded with everything). I work on large CMYK high res files for work and also flash stuff. With OS X now things are smooth and fine. Hell, even its so fast that talking a break for a smoke won't be necessary anymore. So, even with a G5 whatever, it won't really decrease me working time. Well, as a mac fan i surly like to see better, bigger, cooler and faster macs... but most here don't need them. So why always bugging around and don't enjoy the fruits that Mr Jobbs gave us? I mean: Do you really care if you have a G5 1.5 GHZ , or if its still aG4 with the same specs??????

-
The force is with us

[kaneda]

Sorry, I thought it was a G3...sorry, eMAC is a G4...:D

[Gfour?]

I know steve jobs personal.

I prommised him and the two VIP's.

Wait and see.... :)

[Pentium Killer]

And what shall we see now at MWNY?The G5?With 2.0 GHZ?I do not think so,but what do I know?We will see,Gfour.If you are right with the G5,you´ll get a big smack and as you know Steve,you can give him one big smack from me,too.:D

[dantec]

I think most Mac users understand the whole megahertz myth. We just want higher speeds to show to the PC users that we are not 'slower'. It is much harder to actually 'teach' people about the Megahertz myth. Most consumers have no clue what the processor even does, so an advertisement campaign against Intel would be poitnless!

[KingArthur]

The G4 has been only able to support 2 processors simultaniously up until this Apollo project. Now it is said that the G4 can function in 4s or 8s or something like that. Well, the G4 will not live on in the high-end PowerMacs long enough to be considered for quad processing. It is late now or I would tell all the ways that the OSX can multi-process, but I will instead bid thee all Adeu and tell you about it in another tale.

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by pacoarango
Its impossible to release G5 by summer, face it, Apple could never sell existing stock of current G4. The speed difference would be too large and Apple would have to kill pricing and loose big on existing G4s. Expect max dual 1.4 with DDR, 10.2 OS and enjoy. (That is nearly a 80% boost):(

Or they could take off the existing G4 chips and speed up the iMac.

~bust

[Nipsy]

Originally posted by Gfour?
I know steve jobs personal.

I prommised him and the two VIP's.

Wait and see.... :)

That's swell.

I have a few problems with your MWNY predictions:
Your spelling and language lead me to think you're 11-13 years old (no offense if your an ESL type [and no offense to 11-13 year olds with impeccable spelling and grammar either]).

Steve Jobs, whom I won't claim to know personally, but have met, is exceedingly cautious about what he says and where he says it.

I was inside the Apple office at MWSF, and there was an inner sanctum inside of it, where Apple employees couldn't go. That was the rarefied domain of Jobs, and that weekend, Ive.

If he were demonstrating the G5 at MWSF it would have been inside that room. I know a VP at Apple (no, she won't ever tell me anything), and she couldn't get into that room. My incredulity is growing faster than your nose.

So, that means your VIP friends were...the Governor of Maine...CEO of Adobe...your band teacher?

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Gfour?
…
(steve joint us later on and conformed)
…

Steve would never conform...even after a joint.:rolleyes: :p

I had to explain the MHz myth to my brother this weekend, and it made me realize that people have no idea what makes a computer faster than another one.

IT'S NOT ABOUT MHZ PEOPLE!!!

The overall system performance needs to be taken into account. RAM, hard drives, PCI bus are all different places where bottlenecks can potentially happen.

Who cares if a chip runs at 5GHz if it's hard drives are ATA 66 and run at 4800rpm. Likewise, all the DDR in the world won't make a Pentium 133 run any faster.

It takes an effective balance of all of these elements to gain substantial performance. Moving to DDR memory will probably be the first step. 1.1GHz, 1.2GHz...whatever the top end may be, that's not where the performance increase will happen.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by mr.w
I'd agree... G5's will most likely join the apple line-up in january. hopefully we'll see a huge suprise in their architecture though, seeing as how there's been so much talk about them for such a long time (possibly motorola is adding even more kick a@@ components). i wouldn't be suprised if the g5 blew the new AMD chip out of the water.
THERE WILL BE NO G5 UNTIL 2004!
can't you see? according to motorola's plans,they will release PPC 7500 G4 in 1 year which will have many of G5 features and that is fast enough for me

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Megaquad
THERE WILL BE NO G5 UNTIL 2004!
can't you see? according to motorola's plans,they will release PPC 7500 G4 in 1 year which will have many of G5 features and that is fast enough for me

Proof? Motorola doesn't post processor release dates on their site, so what's your source?

[fred815]

sorry for sounding stupid, but can someone explain the Mhz myth?:confused:

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by fred815
sorry for sounding stupid, but can someone explain the Mhz myth?:confused:

I'll let Apple explain it to you:
http://www.apple.com/g4/myth/

[Nipsy]

Quick and dirty:

Why does an 800 MHz Sun cost thousands more than a 800MHz Mac, which costs $1000 more than an $800 MHz PC?

The Sun does more work. It is more efficient. The Mac, in turn does more work than the PC.

Think of it like cars. Three brands have 800 horsepower. The Sun is the Porsche, light and fast. The Mac is the BMW, heavier, so not quite as fast, but still speedy. The PC is the VW Bus. Same power, but alot slower.

Thats the MHz myth. Higher number does not alway equal faster processor.

I'll be the first to admit that PC processors are faster than Mac processors at the moment. The top end PIV is supposedly 10% faster than the top end Athlon, which is supposedly 20% faster than a 1GHz G4.

This means than a 1GHz G4 is roughly 70% the processor a 2.4GHz PIV is. I feel that the clunkiness an instability of Windows eats that 30% (and more), so when I mental mathmetize my algorythmic synonamolies, 'the Mac accomplishes more work per 8 hours than the PC.'

Got it...

[Grokgod]

OK this is TOO much to allow without some good old fashioned name calling
which I will save as icing on the cake!

You KNOW steve and promised him in your own beautiful broken english.

:Don worri stev, Me not tell noone till late: shades of Star Wars racism!

This is a irresponsible post
It irresponsible to lie to us !

And if you telling the truth and Steve is your friend then you have just betrayed
his trust!

Either way I hate you! and I will track you down like the dog you are and make you eat a G5 tower!

G5, G5 G5,, All I can do is shake my head,!