Which Internet Browser do you use?

[SilvorX]

since i'm new here i felt like posting a poll on what everyone prefers to use as a web browser...
well on XP i like using Mozilla 1.0 RC2, but when i'm on a mac i like using IE 5.2/Moz

[irmongoose]

I like how Chimera is coming around, but i'm still stuck with IE.


I don't know... I just don't like Mozilla that much, and OmniWeb is a little too slow still.

Come to think of it, I wanna dump IE just cauz its Microsoft.... but I jsut can't :( :( :(




irmongoose

[AlphaTech]

I use IE 95% of the time no matter what platform I am on. At home, that is the Mac about 90% of the time. I just recieved a pair of drives that will be going into my game peecee tomorrow (two 160GB drives that are going to be set as RAID 0).

At work, I am on the Mac, unless I need to fix a peecee. Even then, I typically work on those in my office, and use my Mac while I fix up the peecee (or poc by then).

[SilvorX]

i know how u feel irmongoose, i wanted to dump IE for so long on my puter since all builds of IE 5/5.5/6.0 are all buggy, and i finally dumped it 3-4 months ago for mozilla but then again IE tries to steal the associations all the time, thats wha i hate bout integration...but a few more months then i hope to get a mac

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by SilvorX
but when i'm on a mac i like using IE 5.2/Moz

Alright, wtf do you get IE 5.2 on a Mac????? The current, latest release is 5.1.4 (for OS 9 and OS X). That is the latest official release... and as far as I know m$ doesn't release beta versions of their browsers. Or at least ones listed as beta. Everyone knows that the first release of any windblowschunks is a beta, and usually is until the second service pack. For heXPee, that will probably be the third service pack (if you are lucky).

[edesignuk]

I use OmniWeb mainly for it's ability to block the window.open javascript from running itself, it'll only allow it to operate if you click a link, so it stops the majority of popups.

[britboy]

I use mozilla. The interface just looks so much nicer and cleaner than that of ie. It still has some bugs that need sorting, but i'm more than willing to put up with a few little idiosyncrasies for the sake of getting away from ie.

[mac15]

I use netscape/explorer it goe 50/50
but now it's mainly netscape 7....which is basically mozilla
and I often use omniweb

[King Cobra]

I've been switching back and forth between Netscape and Mozilla. Now I am using Netscape700B1 (just my shortcut for it) and it looks pretty similar to Mozilla100RC2.

I will stick with these two and wait for Netscape700 to finally be completed. And I do not use IE, unless it's for some site server problem confirmation.
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[jelloshotsrule]

i use chimera as much as i can

i have problems with it and qt movies and sometimes downloading files... so that's when i use ie.

but it's what i use almost all the time

oh, i also can't post pics on message from chimera... hmm. anyone else have this problem?

[j763]

Originally posted by mac15
I use netscape/explorer it goe 50/50
but now it's mainly netscape 7....which is basically mozilla
and I often use omniweb

wtf are you using NS for??? NS7 is just Mozilla with some NS logos slapped on and just some $#!+ to load it down, also known as 'AOL Features'. Some ppl have a strange definition of the word 'feature'

[j763]

And to all the IE users out there -- just give Mozilla a shot. Use it for a week, that's all... At first the interface will seem somewhat slower than IE, but after a week of use, you'll see how it actually runs faster than IE...

Just give it a go --- get RC 3 or just wait for the final of 1.0

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Alright, wtf do you get IE 5.2 on a Mac????? The current, latest release is 5.1.4 (for OS 9 and OS X). That is the latest official release... and as far as I know m$ doesn't release beta versions of their browsers. Or at least ones listed as beta. Everyone knows that the first release of any windblowschunks is a beta, and usually is until the second service pack. For heXPee, that will probably be the third service pack (if you are lucky).
um...plz dont flame....
it was just a typo, i meant 5.1 n there *are* betas of IE out there, but only beta testers get ahold of them, but IE 6 betas for windows are a diff story, they werent made also to circulate on the web, but some of the beta testers get ahold of the beta versions of IE 6, and send them to ppl n lots o ppl get ahold of them over the net...
even i have an unreleased beta version for windows... which is IE version 6.0.2800.1005 n the version thats on the microsoft site is 6.0.2800.0000. n to tell ya the truth, the unreleased sp1 beta that i have, is basically the buggiest browser since ie 5x for windoze. it crashes at random, unlike mozilla (now days) and ns7

[AlphaTech]

SilvorX, I am fairly certain that no one in here gives a rat's anal probe about what browser you use on a peecee. This is a MAC site, not a peecee site.

j763, I did try the other browsers for a while, didn't like them at all. Never mind the fact that they don't always render web sites correctly. Someone mentioned about changing a setting to make the site think that it is an acceptable browser... why should I have to go in and mess around with stuff like that when I have a browser that does work, and renders the site properly every time?

[King Cobra]

Heh, there goes Alpha again, with his uncensorable choice of words! :)

Where were you yesterday when I opened up a can on aafuss and his PC Babya software? We could have used you.
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[AlphaTech]

Sorry about that king.... I was having dinner and relaxing a little bit. By the time I was back on the boards the thread was closed and locked down. I had a few spare cases to use on that one, but alas, could not.

Currently, I am waiting for someone to paint a bullseye on themself for me to go after. Granted, when it comes to me, that target doesn't need to be all that large for me to see it. A little red dot is about all it takes :D.. actually, that probably comes from my laser scope. :D :eek:

[King Cobra]

I kind of figured that you would be out having a relaxing evening. It seems as if everyday you refer to a rat's rectum, or just like to aim for bullseyes. You probably needed a day off. :)

Well, once you find that bullseye, I will be right here, watching with a hard hat (my KC cap) and a backup case in case you run out.

The only problem with me holding them spare is that I am underage... :)
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[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by irmongoose
I like how Chimera is coming around, but i'm still stuck with IE.


I don't know... I just don't like Mozilla that much, and OmniWeb is a little too slow still.

Come to think of it, I wanna dump IE just cauz its Microsoft.... but I jsut can't :( :( :(




irmongoose

...Omniweb 4.0.6, or Omniweb 4.1b7? 4.1 is a lot faster than 4.0.6. I find it's a tiny bit behind chimera, which is a medium sized bit behind mozilla. Unfortunately, Mozilla is ugly, and chimera doesn't have some features I want. OW4.1b7 is a bit faster (read that as: a very small bit) than IE, it looks better, and it does file handleres more sensibly.

[stromie952]

I have been using Chimera on my iBook, but I can't get it to install on our Quicksilver 733 so I am using Mozilla RC2.

Hopefully the development of Chimera continues because its hard to live without anti aliasing text!

I am also trying out the Omniweb betas for their anti aliasing, but so far, I have not been that impressed with the page rendering speed and quality.

[AmbitiousLemon]

wow im surprised we havent ahd any iCab users come charging out of the ranks since you left them off the poll.

i use MozillaRC3 (cant wait for June and 1.0), i havent tried the new netscape even though i have heard it is faster than mozilla for some reason, because i need tabs.

i tried to use chimera every now and then, it is leaps and bounds ahead of every single other browser as far as speed goes, but its just not finished.

i could probably get used to omniweb's slowness and improper page rendering, but i need tabs! mozilla has gotten me so hooked, i cant imagine navigating webpages in windows... how 1990s.

ie, i really dont think any intelligient person would use it. its the slowest browser available. it crashes often (ok nt often, but more than any of the others with the exception of chimera). and i have never found a page that ie can render that mozilla cant. i think people who make the claim that they need ie because it can do things the others cant are suffering from the same kind of delusions that make people buy peecees. if you want to turn off your brain and let m$ think for you, then please stop using a mac, we dont need people like you (your money is THAT green).

i think Chimera is where the future of osx internet browsing is. Omniweb was one of the first osx apps, and they have made great leaps in the past 6 months in speed, but i dont think it will be enough once chimera gets up to steam. But Omni could surprise us all, like i said i would probably use it if it had tabs, so its not all bad. it should be an interesting face off when these two browsers go to war. apple has already picked a favorite, so maybe we can predict the outcome...

[AmbitiousLemon]

o and then there is iCab. it has really good scroll speed... anything else good? come on! where are the iCab zealots?

[SilvorX]

i'm suprised that lots of you chose IE lol, but then again, its heck alot stabler (and better rendering) than netscape 4

[G4scott]

Right now, I'm using OmniWeb. I switched to it mainly because I didn't like IE, and OmniWeb has the best Aqua UI of all web browsers (my opinion). Now, though with Netscape 7, I'm thinking of switching to that. It's really fast and snappy with the rendering of pages. The only thing I don't like about Netscape is the UI. It's just not Aqua, and its UI is a bit sluggish...

[AmbitiousLemon]

g4 scott since you are enjoying netscape i woudl suggest downloading mozilla (www.mozilla.org) and then downloading a aqua theme (it looks better AND speeds it up). lemme go find some links...

pinstripe (update coming soon to make it work with 1.0RC3)
http://www.kmgerich.com/pinstripe/pinstripe.html

chimera skin (and others)
http://140.107.24.64/mozilla/
with installer
http://140.107.24.64/mozilla/navzilla/

hope that helps a bit. let me know what you think. :)

[EDIT: i just tested out the chimera skin again, looks like it needs an update for RC3 as well, still works but the tabs dont display the page title and you need to close them using the command-w instead of the x button, but hopefully these will be updated soon. RC3 did come out recently, and made lots of changes)

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
ie, i really dont think any intelligient person would use it. its the slowest browser available. it crashes often (ok nt often, but more than any of the others with the exception of chimera). and i have never found a page that ie can render that mozilla cant. i think people who make the claim that they need ie because it can do things the others cant are suffering from the same kind of delusions that make people buy peecees. if you want to turn off your brain and let m$ think for you, then please stop using a mac, we dont need people like you (your money is THAT green).


Alright lemon.... you asked for it.

I have tried mozilla (poc) as well as some of the other alternates, and they dodn't render pages properly (actually barely rendered a few sites) which I do NOT accept. Netscape AND ie BOTH rendered the pages correctly, so don't tell me it's the site's fault (I don't buy that at all).

I have had ie crash a hell of a lot LESS often then any of the alternate browsers (I can't remember the last time ie did crash on me). Mozilla crashed big time in the first night I tried it (and it was the latest version available at that time). As for the rest of them, they don't render the pages even close to the way I like them, nor as well as either ie or netscape.

Before you go off on a rant, I don't use netscape either at the moment, EXCEPT for my online banking. Even there, I am starting to transition to ie, since they are finally getting their security in order.

There was a point, a few years back, where I would not even touch ie with a 100' pole and would ONLY use Netscape. Those days are long gone since m$ got ie together for the Mac.

You really should stop telling people to go out and use the alternative browsers just because you like them. There is a reason they are called ALTERNATE browsers... if you WANT to use them, then go ahead. But don't try and convince me that they are any better then either ie or what Netscape has to offer.

As some of you know, I am rather picky about my hardware (main reason I buy Mac systems) and I am just as picky with software. If it doesn't perform to my standards, I dump it and get something that does. You might remember the times I sent my rev. a TiBook to Apple for repairs, and it had to go in a total of three times before it was fixed to my standards. Where others might have accepted it after the first or second time, I didn't. Recently, I contacted IBM because the 60GB TravelStar drive that I picked up a few months ago was making more noise then I thought it should. The drive will be winging it's way to IBM early next week (haven't had the time to get to a shipping place yet). I will be getting a replacement within a few weeks (direct from IBM) and hope that it is less noisy (when it should be silent, or damned close to it). At that point, I will decide if it goes inside the rev. c TiBook or gets put into an external firewire enclosure and used that way.

[blackpeter]

Originally posted by AlphaTech

I am rather picky about my hardware (main reason I buy Mac systems) and I am just as picky with software. If it doesn't perform to my standards, I dump it and get something that does. You might remember the times I sent my rev. a TiBook to Apple for repairs, and it had to go in a total of three times before it was fixed to my standards.

I think Alpha and I share the same philosophy of pragmatics. I just don't get this browser debate. There is no question that IE is the best overall choice for Mac users.

I respect everyone's desire to migrate away from MS products (I think just about every Mac user can sympathize) but use your heads.

Is IE "faster" in respect to rendering pages? Maybe not. But is raw speed the judge of a good browser? The P4 2.4GHz is a faster chip than the G4 1GHz, but for some reason, I continue to use the G4. Go figure...

[szark]

I recommend Mozilla -- it's pretty much the only browser I'll use anymore on any platform. I admire the standards compliance and functionality of it -- much better than IE.

As a student web developer, one of the main things I didn't like about IE was that it tended to "fix" pages when it displayed them. It would "add" missing tags so that the page displayed perfectly in IE -- but no other browser would be able to display the page. Definitely not a great help in learning proper HTML coding.

[AmbitiousLemon]

Alpha you are very knowledgable about most hardware issues, but i think software is your weak spot and it shows in the above discussion. the other browsers are "alternative" browsers because they are not microsoft, and that is the only reason. the fact that you seem to think netscape and mozilla somehow display pages differently is rather interesting, and really calls into question your knowledge on this topic. If i hadnt read past discussions by you regarding browser i might simply say that everyone has different perceptions about what stable is and what is best, but knowing what you have written in the past i knwo this is not the case with you.

you refuse to download betas so when you use omniweb you attacked it because youw erent using the latest version. then strangely you downloaded a nightly build of mozilla instead of one of the more stable releases. and you base every bit of your mozilla experience on that on event.

before you mouth off why dont you try actually giving the other browsers a chance. this is exactly what i was talking about above. if people actually give the browsers a chance the wouldnt be using ie. you act like iw as trying to tell people what browser to use. makes me wonder if you even read what i wrote before hitting that reply button. i went back and forth on which browser was the best so much i cant understand how you could find any endorsement in there.

ive told you this before but ill say it again... Alpha, you are a great guy, but you dont always have the answer and you arent always right. sorry to break it to you kid. just because the browser you are using isnt the best, and just because you had difficulty understanding some of the advanced preferences in Omniweb doesnt mean you have to attack people who use other browsers.

of all the browsers ie has some strong points. it is bundled with the mac and it rarely has render issues. but this does not make it the best browser. omniweb beats it in the preferences and configurability. as does icab. mozilla and chimera have tabs, as well as many more features that make browsing easier. all the other browsers are faster. and lastly contrary to your ignorant stubborn notion its not the only browser that renders pages correctly. mozilla is just as good at rendering pages. chimera is a close second, and icab and omniweb are not too shabby either.

like i have said all you need to do is download these browsers and use them for a couple days. i really dont understand why that is so very difficult for some people.

you like to use ie? great. use it. but dont come and attack people who know that there are better browsers. you just remind me of all the pc users out there who blindly attack macs even though they have little to no exposure to them.

[King Cobra]

Oh, no! It's starting to get hot in here! :eek:

I'm running to a place no browser can compete with security:

[AlphaTech]

Hey lemon... I may not know everything about web browsers, BUT I do know what works and what doesn't... IE works, the others are struggling, and constantly updating to get to the same level.

How would you feel is an application that you just downloaded/purchased didn't show documents correctly??? If it showed you part of a page proper, but then dropped the rest... Would you give it another shot when an update was there (and not sure if it would fix the issue)?? I don't think so.

IF/when the other browser can display pages correctly (which they still don't do) I might give them another shot. As for them being faster then what I am currently using, you ever stop to consider that you internet connection and the web pages you are using them to test has something to do with that??? Some of you might have found this site dog slow last night, but I wouldn't blame my browser over that. Also, there are settings you can do (hopefully to your alternates) to make the browser render pages faster. One is to reduce the disk cache amount. Anyone with a connection that is faster then dial-up should drop that size (I have mine set to 1MB, as opposed to the 10MB it came set to). You can also shorten how much history your browser keeps. Reducing that shortens it launch time.

As for my areas of knowledge... Considering my background, the ONLY area that I have a weakness is in the alternate browsers. I know about the software that actually matters, since browsers are a VERY MINOR part of computing, I don't see the point in devoting time to the alternates. I would much rather get to know Illustrator 10, Photoshop 7 (when I get a copy) or any of the other applications I either have, or we have at work.

The reason I call them alternates is NOT because they are not from m$, but because they are late comers to the market compared to either ie or netscape. Both of those have been around forever for users to have, and are NOT recent additions to the field. How long has omniweb been available compared to netscape??? Never mind ie.

Oh and something else... I really don't care what your opinion of me is. There are a few people that I care as to what they think about me, and you are not even close to being on the list. Rant all you want about omni this or iCab that, in the end, you could shove a lemon where the sun never shines (if it does, you need serious help) and whistle dixie from there for all I care.

Major changes will have to take place before I download any of the alternates and give them a twirl again. Until THAT happens, I will use what works best for ME, you use what you want to. Try and covert me and I hope you have a kevlar vest handy. I put people there with those that say my father is in hell because he didn't 'find jesus' before he died (and we are jewish)...

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Oh, no! It's starting to get hot in here! :eek:

I'm running to a place no browser can compete with security:

ROTFLMAO!!!!! Good call KC....

[mmmdreg]

I'm going to have to admit I use mainly IE, although I do use Chimera every now and then (it seems to have slown down heaps since I d/loaded it..is this something to do with caching and all...it has that spinning cursor every few seconds)...but anyway, I'll probably stick with Chimera when a suitable, nearly full-featured version comes out..

[AmbitiousLemon]

Alpha, now yo are just getting insulting. i didnt mean to insult you by saying this was your weak spot. all i meant to say is that perhaps since you are not strong in this area perhaps you shouldnt attack people. i rarely walk into the physics department and start yelling at professors telling them their views of physics are all wrong.

your inflamatory remarks are really not necessary. perhaps you should take a more positive stance and download one of the other browsers and take it for a spin before unveiling your ignorance to the world.

your statement that these other browsers "are newcomers" just further shows yor ignorance and inability to listen or learn. the mozilla project was started by netscape. it got its name because this is what netscape called ALL versions of netscape before they hit market. when netscape went opensource they kept the name mozilla. mozilla therefore can hardly be thought of as an alternative browser by your measure. also omniweb isnt new. it didnt just appear when osx started up. the omnigroup had been working on a linux browser for a long time before osx came around. you act like ie was the first browser when it was actually a late comer itself. and then you act like updating software is a crime. maybe you enjoy the fact that ie for the mac has not been updated since the inception of osx, but it bothers me. shows a lack of commitment to the browser and to the platform. while all the other browsers have been making thinking more user friendly, faster, and feature rich ie has been stagnating.

and you keep talking about page rendering. seriously now, you couldnt make yourself sound like more of a fool. mozilla does not have rendering issues. if it did i dont think i woudl be able to trash ie. you act like your standards are somehow higher. id say you are blind and ignorant. ive said this repeatedly. download the damn things and use them before you make a fool of yourself! this is clearly a case of someone who has turned of his brain and invited microsoft in to make all his decisions for him. im sorry i am getting so insulting. but you seem not to mind, and seem to respond to it more than politeness. seriously. try actually using the other browsers before you make claims about what they can and can not do! and if ie is crashing on you so much that you cant finish a download just let us know and we will send you a copy of whichever browser you would like to try out.

[AmbitiousLemon]

ok i am a moderator so i think i need to go and moderate myself. this has gotten way out of hand.

all my and alpha's insulting back and forth aside all i have to say is go and download each browser and see what is best for you. if you use mozilla be sure to get a skin (see above), if you use chimera be sure to visit the chimera discussion board and also download the chimera chamleon and chimera icon addons (can be found at version tracker) they are a lot of fun.

but lets try to get thinks a little more firendly and get back on topic.

[and people say the browser wars are over! :)]

[AlphaTech]

Hey lemon... stop slamming people because they decided to NOT use your favored browser... If you put ignorance in another post referring to me, I will have to get medieval on your ass.

Leave it alone, show you are at least moderatly mature and shut the F up. I said that I don't care about the other browsers, and will NOT be downloading them to use UNTIL they get out of beta. I checked to see what omni has to offer... the latest non-beta is the same that I tried. They haven't released a new non-beta in a long time (by computer standards).

As for talking with physics professors... that is NOT even close to what I am trying to convey here. If you are too dense to see that, I pity you.

Oh, and IF you read what I put, I was talking about how long the browsers have been available to the public (for the Mac) NOT in existance. iCab is recent, as are others. How long has the PUBLIC been able to download AND USE mozilla??? Compare that time frame to how long NETSCAPE AND IE have been available AS NON-BETA browsers. I don't CARE if you think that this or that release of netscape or ie was a beta or not... the fact is, they don't list them as such. Rant all you want I'll be doing something more productive then listing to your gums flappin.

[mmmdreg]

calm down you two..

[jaykk]

I think Netscape 7 is really going to start another browser war.. I showed the TAB feature to some of my poor PC coworkers ; since then most of them started using Netscape 7 preview..( they never really enjoyed the advancements in browser technology) .. and ver 7 seems pretty fast. both launch time and rendering time...faster than IE to render some pages..

If AOL-time warner along with APPLE start using Netscape as their main browser, chances are that IE's market share is going to come down pretty soon.. at least, Nestscape is still having a big chance to bounce back..

[chmorley]

"Don't confuse me with the facts. I have my mind made up."

If people choose to make up their minds about what is good without trying what's available, that's its own punishment. Some are stuck with IE because they choose not to try stuff that works better. Others are stuck with PCs because they *know* they are better. Oh well. That's their problem.

I got frustrated with one of the Lieutenants the other day because he was sure my presentation wasn't working because I was using a Mac. Turns out it was his projector. He has never tried a Mac, and is sure they're inferior. He is ex-military and a cop. He is *supposed* to be closed-minded. He has probably not tried any recent build of Mozilla, either.

Netscape 7 seems like it might be marginally faster than Mozilla. This is confusing, since Netscape is Mozilla. Also, the small icons that are associated with certain web pages are displayed more universally than in Mozilla (RC3) and in the tabs, as well. I haven't found a page either can't render. If you haven't tried it, it's probably worth a look.

These discussions always seem to get heated. People seem pretty intense in their beliefs about and choices of browser. Maybe that would be fun if I was a kid or thought this mattered in some way. For me, it's pretty pointless. As a result, I'm outta here.

Have fun.

Chris

[jaykk]

I just noticed that i can actually drag the HD folder to the browser window, and can navigate through the files just like finder..and open any HTML file by clicking on that..cool feature.. also the pinball strip is one of the best theme.. check it out..

[Mr. Anderson]

I use to use Netscape, but its started to show its age. I had to revert to 4.7 since I never got the 5 to work correctly and it was too much like AOL in a lot of ways. So I moved over to IE and things are working nicely. I've had some curiousity about the other 'options' but it seems that they're just not stable enough or handle all the plugins I require. Once this changes, I'm thinking I'll move on.

[chmorley]

Originally posted by dukestreet
I use to use Netscape, but its started to show its age. I had to revert to 4.7 since I never got the 5 to work correctly and it was too much like AOL in a lot of ways. So I moved over to IE and things are working nicely. I've had some curiousity about the other 'options' but it seems that they're just not stable enough or handle all the plugins I require. Once this changes, I'm thinking I'll move on.
You might be interested in trying Mozilla. It is fast, stable, and handles plugins well. I'd recommend trying it for at least a few days (using tabs) and see if you can bear going back to IE or any other non-tab browser.

Chris

[SilvorX]

i'm back on moz :D, after using ns7 for a while u notice that it starts to get more n more buggier....

ya some ppl dont know when to stop using netscape 4.7x even tho its one of the buggiest internet browsers out there (since it freezes up each time right b4 a page is fully loaded)

[Backtothemac]

I have been using Mozilla, and Netscape, Chimera, and Omni Web in an attempt to see which is best. I personally think that Mozilla and Omni Web are the best. Omni Web is by far the best looking. I think Chimera is showing a lot of promise. Mozilla is just the tops though. It is very fast, and appears as though it will be great when it is release in a final.

Now Netscape 7 pr1. If this thing comes together like it looks like it will, then it can compete very well against IE.

[Biggles]

I just downloaded Netscape 7, and i found myself a nice little surprise. Everything seems to render faster and move quicker than in the latest mozilla. As long as the bugs arent too apparent, I think i just found myself a new main browser.

[AmbitiousLemon]

thought some of you would want to know that the chimera skin for mozilla has been updated for the RC3 release.

http://140.107.24.64/mozilla/navzilla/


still waiting for pinstripe...

[chmorley]

It is now available for Mozilla 1.0RC3 at:

http://www.kmgerich.com/pinstripe/pinstripe.html

Chris

NB: Per the notes, make sure you uninstall the old version first or it will crash Mozilla.

Update: I followed these instructions and still had Mozilla crash. Please let me know if you have better results.

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by chmorley
Update: I followed these instructions and still had Mozilla crash. Please let me know if you have better results.

Same crash here. and mozilla wasnt happy when restarted. took a long time to reload. looks like we need to let Kevin know Pinstripe isnt playing friendly just yet.

ive become quite found of the navizlla skin (the chimera look-alike), but like how the pinstripe theme is narrower vertically. i wish someone would make a chimera skin without the titles so that it would be smaller vertically (hint hint ;) ;))

[macfreek57]

netscape for x has so far sucked
in fact, it's sucked since aol/time/warner got a hold of it!( :mad: )