G5s in July? Than...

[MacAztec]

If there is a G5 release in July, what can we expect from the rest of the line?
My 2 cents:

iMac boosted to 800 and 933MHz
Powerbook at 800 or 867/1GHz
iBook moved to a G4...733 and 800MHz
eMac is moved to 800MHz
iMac is still there, but Apple is riding the G3s

I believe at MWNY, we wont see a G5. But if we do, we will probly get the G5, X.2, and an upgraded powerbook, and upgraded iMac

Than at MWSF or sooner, ibook goes to G4, emac is boosted, and probly G5s are boosted.

[SilvorX]

hmm if they *DID* release the G5s this summer, idd think itdd be higher than that, but if its just G4 upgrades for the G4 puters, then those are realistic, and i hope there are price reductions on the g4 imac cuz they look so cool (saw one that wasnt turned on on saturday) :D

[Grokgod]

Why would anyone think that the Powerbooks would be upgraded so soon.?
They were just bumped mere weeks ago, I hardly think that Apple would do such a foolhardy thing, despite your best wishes or desires.

[Mr. Anderson]

Its only June 5th, we've got more than a month to go before we see what Apple's going to do. This type of discussion will be rehashed a dozen times before the keynote, uhhgghhhh! Its almost as bad as saying iWalk.....

Personally, I don't think that we'll see G5s this year, look for revamped G4s with better memory and faster busses. With all the complaints about fan noise in the current desktops, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the power source moved out of the case to save room and remove heat.

[szark]

Originally posted by dukestreet
With all the complaints about fan noise in the current desktops, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the power source moved out of the case to save room and remove heat.

External brick? Yeccchh! Hopefully they would just use better quality/quieter fans to solve the issue.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by szark


External brick? Yeccchh! Hopefully they would just use better quality/quieter fans to solve the issue.

Actually, a external power transformer, surge protector and power strip all wrapped into one would be the best bet and I could something like that happening. The benefits would be worth while. And you'd still need the fans for the CPU(s), so who knows. Just looking at all that's been done since this last enclosure was made, makes me think the new one will have something 'innovative':D

[jelloshotsrule]

i don't see a g5 this year

heck, i barely see one at all. dang

i just hope jobs has some massive stuff in his pocket. the sheer surprise would be amazing if he pulled out a lot of stuff at mwny. i can't wait.

but yet, we all have to. over a month.

[tortus]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


i just hope jobs has some massive stuff in his pocket. the sheer surprise would be amazing if he pulled out a lot of stuff at mwny. i can't wait.


Uh, dude. You wanna see his big thingy?

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by tortus


Uh, dude. You wanna see his big thingy?

You are sick.

Please, leave the forums because of your immaturity.

[King Cobra]

I would say that because of the numerous G4 rumors for July and the minimal rumors for the G5 (probably for reason) we [won't] probably see a G5 in July.

Besides, I think that the G4 still has a lot of life in it. Apple could give the PowerMacs another G4 upgrade before they move on. Once they do, their other lines of products should still have a G4 in them. And once this happens, I would expect:
Wild assumptions here FYI:
(1) G5 in Jan. 2003 at MWSF.
(2) iBook upgraded to a G4 by then.
We may see:
The PowerMac go to 1.4GHz
The iMac G4 go to 1GHz, maybe a little faster.
The eMac go to 900MHz, maybe 1GHz.
The Powerbook go to 1GHz
The iBook go to a G4 running at 700 or 800MHz.
Again, these are guesses, but mostly reasonable.
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[King Cobra]

Originally posted by MacAztec


You are sick.

Please, leave the forums because of your immaturity.

I second that. But, again, typical newbies. Trying to raise their post count...and that post was completely pointless. Well, I'm not going to be the one getting into that.

Re: Externals.

IMO I would recommend just something simple for a PowerMac. Besides, it's hard enough trying to keep the power supply and wiring on my desk whenever I need to plug something into the Cube, which I need to tilt. :)
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[britboy]

Originally posted by MacAztec

Please, leave the forums because of your immaturity.

ha ha! This is rich. A 13(?) year old telling a 25(?) year old to not be so immature! :D (Disclaimer: no offense meant to either party involved)

I'm not expecting a G5 until perhaps jan 2003. Ha, remember most people hoping for the G5 at SF2002? and to think we've still got another months' worth of rumour-milling to go round... I'll be looking for revised cases for the towers, with a speed bump. Not expecting anything more.

That in itself would keep me happy :)

[Hemingray]

Hmm... I actually thought that was kinda funny. ;)

He should have ended the post with a " :eek: " though... oh well!

I think from here on out I'm going to go totally nuts and contradict myself at every turn. So, for this post, I'm going to say we see G5's in July!!!! Next thread that comes up on this, I'll say we won't see G5's until next year. And the third thread that comes up on this, I'll say we won't see the G5's at all. Etc., etc., etc. Anyone else with me? :rolleyes:

[tortus]

Originally posted by Hemingray
Hmm... I actually thought that was kinda funny. ;)

He should have ended the post with a " :eek: " though... oh well!



Why, thank you Hemingray! And to King Cobra and MacAztec, you guys are wound too tight, and I personally believe that persistent speculation about the g5 with no hard facts to support its release date (though it gets our mouths nice and moist) is immature and irresponsible.

[King Cobra]

Just in case many of you are confused about my post, I meant to say that we probably won't see G5s in July.

And tortus, making speculation and guesses should be what makes a rumor more exciting. Besides, a little prediction couldn't hurt, right? If we had no support to the G5 release date then we would have to make up rumors for when it might come out. I don't think it's immature or irresponsible. It's a rumor's site. So based on all the rumors about an updated G4 in July, we can rumor that the G5 may come out sometime else. I am expecting January.
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[topicolo]

This is not good, all I see is with these delays in releasing the G5 is a situation similar to that G4 500Mhz fiasco a while back and also to palm's lack of technological advancement the last couple of years. Now that I think of it, it's all moto's fault! They're really hindering Apple with their horrible job at updating the PowerPC, and they also screwed over palm with the dragonball. It'd be awesome if AMD or Intel got into making PowerPCs, but I guess it's just to hard to get the licensing.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by MacAztec
If there is a G5 release in July, what can we expect from the rest of the line?
My 2 cents:

iMac boosted to 800 and 933MHz
Powerbook at 800 or 867/1GHz
iBook moved to a G4...733 and 800MHz
eMac is moved to 800MHz
iMac is still there, but Apple is riding the G3s

I believe at MWNY, we wont see a G5. But if we do, we will probly get the G5, X.2, and an upgraded powerbook, and upgraded iMac

Than at MWSF or sooner, ibook goes to G4, emac is boosted, and probly G5s are boosted.

from reading a recent macworld article on g4 apollo, i think g5 is next year

my guess though...sooner would definitely be a bonus:D

[billiam0878]

This is a little off-topic, but does anyone have any ideas when we might see New Enclosures/ G5's with FireWire (aka GigaWire)? Thanks

Bill

[ftaok]

Originally posted by topicolo
This is not good, all I see is with these delays in releasing the G5 is a situation similar to that G4 500Mhz fiasco a while back and also to palm's lack of technological advancement the last couple of years. Now that I think of it, it's all moto's fault! They're really hindering Apple with their horrible job at updating the PowerPC, and they also screwed over palm with the dragonball. It'd be awesome if AMD or Intel got into making PowerPCs, but I guess it's just to hard to get the licensing. When will you guys get it? There's no incentive for Intel or AMD to produce PPC chips for Apple. The market is very limited. If Intel/AMD were to produce PPC chips, they'd have to look at bigger markets like Motorola and IBM are doing. That would leave Apple in the same position; using chips that are primarily designed for another application.

MOT is/will be making more money from PPC chips sold to Cisco than than Apple. This means that Cisco will determine how the PPC line progresses.

IBM has sold more PPC chips to Nintendo than to Apple. So Nintendo has more say in how the PPC line progresses.

Apple needs to sell more Macs if they want faster chips. In the end, it's a chicken and egg discussion.

Oh, and Palm screwed themselves by not evolving the OS. Not Motorola.

[mmmdreg]

If the PowerMacs go faster, will the XServe's match their speed?

[Curiousstrngmint]

Does NOBODY think that the iBook will get a g4 chip in new york? Please pretty please oh please...

[Lynx]

G5 for next year

Hello,

It has been made clear by members of Apple France during the "professional Days" recently that G5 processors is being tested by Apple, Motorolla already delivers some processors to Apple, but as for the G4 it seems that Motorolla is just not able to start large production immediatly. The current estimated date to see the first G5 is Jan 2003 at the earliest, and it could just be an announcement, with real system powered with G5 available mid-2003.

here is the link : http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzco...2002-06-06#2709
For those not reading french (a few billions), there are also 2 additional information :
- OSX server jaguar will be released that summer (probably demoed during MacWorld in july).
- it seems that there will be a XServe version, that could be use as desktop computer, where the big ethernet card will be replaced by a more standard one, but the graphic card will be exchange to a better one (ATI 8500).
That's all.

Regards

[boymerang]

hmmm déjà vu...

anyway. i don't think you'll see the iBooks get a G4 any time soon. i think apple will keep the processor gap. besides, the average consumer doesn't really need altivec, do they? how awkward would it be for apple to market a 700mhz G3 iBook alongside a 550mhz or 667mhz G4 iBook? assuming they don't release an 800mhz G4 iBook...i mean, which would you buy? everyone would be confused. the overlap would be strange, don't you think?

[ftaok]

Originally posted by boymerang
hmmm déjà vu...

anyway. i don't think you'll see the iBooks get a G4 any time soon. i think apple will keep the processor gap. besides, the average consumer doesn't really need altivec, do they? how awkward would it be for apple to market a 700mhz G3 iBook alongside a 550mhz or 667mhz G4 iBook? assuming they don't release an 800mhz G4 iBook...i mean, which would you buy? everyone would be confused. the overlap would be strange, don't you think? Well, my opinion is that when Apple does get around to putting in G4s in the iBook, they'll discontinue the use of G3s. That way, there's no confusion. Also, since they've released the 700mhz iBook, I don't see the iBook getting a G4 lower than 800mhz.

About whether "consumers" need Altivec or not. I believe that consumers need Altivec. A lot of consumer apps utilize Altivec. iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie (I think it does) all use Altivec. Not to mention that the OS uses it.

[Lynx]

the only reason for a G4 iBook is that the new Quartz system from Apple, is designed to work with G4, altivec plus 32Mb graphic card, so if you want to enjoy it on iBook, then Apple has to put a G4 in the iBook + a better graphic card. In addition I think it will be smart from Apple to make G4 iBook, because in that way they will have to deal with only 1 type of processor (before the G5 to come), so less testing and compatibility issues?!

[gopher]

The first Quicksilvers had an issue of noise with the fan. But a month later people getting newer Quicksilvers found it had less noise. A second problem people complain about noise is because these drives are particularly sensitive to whether or not CDs have been labelled or are left with a factory label. When a label is there, the CD becomes unballanced, causing the drive to spin almost out of control trying to keep it ballanced.

Originally posted by dukestreet
Its only June 5th, we've got more than a month to go before we see what Apple's going to do. This type of discussion will be rehashed a dozen times before the keynote, uhhgghhhh! Its almost as bad as saying iWalk.....

Personally, I don't think that we'll see G5s this year, look for revamped G4s with better memory and faster busses. With all the complaints about fan noise in the current desktops, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the power source moved out of the case to save room and remove heat.

[boymerang]

Originally posted by ftaok
Well, my opinion is that when Apple does get around to putting in G4s in the iBook, they'll discontinue the use of G3s. That way, there's no confusion. Also, since they've released the 700mhz iBook, I don't see the iBook getting a G4 lower than 800mhz.


so what you're basically saying is that you genuinely think they're going to make two different laptops, that are nearly identicle in spec? or are you hoping they're going to release a new powerbook with all sorts of new doodads and doohickies? if they're both running with a G4 chip, the differences between the two become a little ephemeral. it's not like the distinctions made between the iMac and the Power Mac...one's expandable, and the other's, err, white. but really, they'll have to put something other than a G3 in those things eventually...but i don't see them doing that until they can move the PowerBooks further up the food chain a little. and if they go from 700mhz G3s to like 400 or 550mhz G4s...can we still call that a speed bump? or a speed-drop? and is everyone going to be left scratching their heads? it appears their portable line's in a bit of a pickle.

[ftaok]

Originally posted by boymerang


so what you're basically saying is that you genuinely think they're going to make two different laptops, that are nearly identicle in spec? or are you hoping they're going to release a new powerbook with all sorts of new doodads and doohickies? if they're both running with a G4 chip, the differences between the two become a little ephemeral. it's not like the distinctions made between the iMac and the Power Mac...one's expandable, and the other's, err, white. but really, they'll have to put something other than a G3 in those things eventually...but i don't see them doing that until they can move the PowerBooks further up the food chain a little. and if they go from 700mhz G3s to like 400 or 550mhz G4s...can we still call that a speed bump? or a speed-drop? and is everyone going to be left scratching their heads? it appears their portable line's in a bit of a pickle. No, what I'm saying is that with the advent of the 700mhz iBook, Apple wouldn't be able to put out a G4 iBook that's lower than 800mhz. And yes, I don't think they'd bring out an 800mhz G4 iBook unless the TiBook got bumped to over 1ghz.

But in my little future world, the TiBook would be using the 7455 (with L3 cache) and a 266 bus. The iBook would get the 7445 and a 100 (or 133 bus). On top of that, there would still be the other differences to separate the Ti from the i.

But since the 700 iBook came out, my time table got thrown all out of whack. I've since given up on making predictions with a time frame. Only "eventually's" will make it into my predcitions.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by MacAztec


You are sick.

Please, leave the forums because of your immaturity.
I laughed. :)

[Grokgod]

Ahhh, the little future world!
I uhh remember that world, isnt that off of Insano street next to whathehellareyoutalkinbout ave.

I think that the iBook G4 timetable is a hard nut to crack and read the membranes of! The powerbook will have to PUSH up hard and fast, to quote a recent adventure.
Before we see the kind of reality your talkin about.

[topicolo]

Originally posted by ftaok

Oh, and Palm screwed themselves by not evolving the OS. Not Motorola.

Not entirely true. Palm was definitely limited by the slow clockspeeds that the dragonball provided. I mean, they didn't reach 66Mhz until sometime last year! Even then, the chip is easily inferior compared to the ARM, MIPS, or other chip families used by the PocketPC even at the same megahertz. The dragonball at 66Mhz is barely faster than the 33Mhz version and can still only support 16mb of ram. Palm may not have upgraded their OS much, but that's only because moto's crappy dragonballs wouldn't be able to keep up if they did added new features. The only things that dragonballs are good at is saving energy and making you wait. No wonder palm's moving to TI when they upgrade to ARMs.

[ftaok]

Originally posted by topicolo


Not entirely true. Palm was definitely limited by the slow clockspeeds that the dragonball provided. I mean, they didn't reach 66Mhz until sometime last year! Even then, the chip is easily inferior compared to the ARM, MIPS, or other chip families used by the PocketPC even at the same megahertz. The dragonball at 66Mhz is barely faster than the 33Mhz version and can still only support 16mb of ram. Palm may not have upgraded their OS much, but that's only because moto's crappy dragonballs wouldn't be able to keep up if they did added new features. The only things that dragonballs are good at is saving energy and making you wait. No wonder palm's moving to TI when they upgrade to ARMs. Right, Palm was slow to react to the Microsoft threat. They thought that their 90% market share protected them from any competition. When they saw what Window CE could do, they should have been developing a plan to migrate the Palm OS to StrongARM processor.

No one held a gun to Palm's head making them use the DragonBall. That was Palm's decision. Perhaps they could have persuaded Motorola to integrate more StrongARM instructions into the DragonBall. But at the very least, they should have developed migration path to the StrongARM.

[ftaok]

Originally posted by Grokgod
Ahhh, the little future world!
I uhh remember that world, isnt that off of Insano street next to whathehellareyoutalkinbout ave.

I think that the iBook G4 timetable is a hard nut to crack and read the membranes of! The powerbook will have to PUSH up hard and fast, to quote a recent adventure.
Before we see the kind of reality your talkin about. Yeah, good ole' whattheheallareyoutalkinbout ave. Been there many times since MWSF. When I take a step back and look at what Apple has done since MWSF, I'm just completely amazed.

Anyways, there will be a G4 iBook eventually. Probably 800mhz and the TiBook (or whatever it'll be called then) will be 1ghz by then. Maybe MWSF '03, but don't quote me.

[DannyZR2]

Originally posted by ftaok
Anyways, there will be a G4 iBook eventually. Probably 1.2Ghz and the TiBook (or whatever it'll be called then) will be 2ghz by then. Maybe MWSF '03, but don't quote me.

Don't worry, no one would do anything like that..

yer nuts though for thinking about a 2 ghz tibook and1.2 ghz ibook by mwsf '03! what a nut!:eek:

[Dunepilot]

Danny, why did you ammend the MHz figures in his quoted post to make it look like ftaok had posted something crazy?

You are the nut!:)

[ftaok]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
Danny, why did you ammend the MHz figures in his quoted post to make it look like ftaok had posted something crazy?

You are the nut!:) Yeah, what up with that?

I had to do a double take. I thought that I had made a typo (or a Freudian slip).

Good thing that Dunepilot caught it. Otherwise I'd be on my way to Arkham Asylum right about now. ;)

[Mac DV]

This thread is getting out of hand.
No G5 until MWSF if even then. Mabye a dual 1.4 Ghz apollo but even that is a stretch, as Arn pointed out a week or two ago. New ram architecture, new case. But hey, I'm still excited.

[topicolo]

Originally posted by ftaok
Right, Palm was slow to react to the Microsoft threat. They thought that their 90% market share protected them from any competition. When they saw what Window CE could do, they should have been developing a plan to migrate the Palm OS to StrongARM processor.

No one held a gun to Palm's head making them use the DragonBall. That was Palm's decision. Perhaps they could have persuaded Motorola to integrate more StrongARM instructions into the DragonBall. But at the very least, they should have developed migration path to the StrongARM.

Well, I sorta agree. No one did hold a gun to palm's head at the beginning, and to tell you the truth, a dragonball processor was perfect for the early palms--they had low power consumption, integrated lcd controls, etc--which were nothing more than glorified organizers. Nevertheless, the palm became more than just an organizer and the possible uses for the palm increased, but the dragonball couldn't keep up with palm's requirements and at that point, palm would expend too much effort if they moved to another platform so in effect, palm was locked in near the end. It just seemed that palm tried to milk the market for too long and now they're f*cked (God, it reminds me of 3dfx).

I agree that palm should've developed a migration path to the strongARM. Too bad it's beginning to seem like it's gonna be too late. I just hope M$ doesn't win and we don't end up with pocketpcs taking up 95% of the marketshare with palm and symbian constituting the remaining 5%. that would truly suck ass.