New Apple Computer Name?

[Cappy]

I don't know that anyone has considered this but I wouldn't put it past Apple to introduce a new system with a different name. There are various reasons we could see that.

1. Apple has pretty much said that no G5 systems will be out this year. This can be a twist on words where the system could have the cpu that everyone refers to as a G5 and yet they would be telling the truth that there will be on G5's.

2. The G naming scheme has been around quite awhile going back to what? 97? 98?

3. Apple(under different management) has had different names before for systems in different markets. We all are aware of the Performa which the iMac pretty much replaced. There was the Quadra line for the high end folks which again is where the G5 would fit in.

4. The PowerMac G4 has been around quite awhile now and is in need of a name change just to help spur some sales. A similar system with the same cpu but other hardware differences under a different name would keep Apple from looking stagnant.

I'm really not saying that G5's are around the corner but regardless of whether we see G5's or new G4's, a name change could(in my opinion should) occur. It's gotta be cool though. ;)

[Skandranon]

I think "Power" + "Mac" says it all.

What we really need is a new, smaller, hardass enclosure.

(and a faster mobo and processor to boot):D

[AlphaTech]

The Gx in the PowerMac name is for the processor... Hence the PowerMac G3, G4, and (hopefully soon) G5 (when moto gets off their thumbs and gives up the chips).

Apple fixed all the naming differences because they confused people. There was little to no consistency in the naming conventions.

Do you remember how 'well' Apple was doing under that 'different management' as you put it?? When they simplified the computer lineup, things improved. The G3 tower was a G3 tower you got to select the speed of the chip inside it, but you didn't have to decide if you wanted a 6500, 7500 or such and figure all that junk out.

Apple would do VERY WELL to keep the naming conventions they have in place. They do give different code names to the systems, such as PowerBook G4 (also known as Titanium and DVI by Apple). There are other code names, such as Mercury and Onyx for the first two TiBooks with none designated yet for the latest (rev. C). THAT helps the people that know, distinguish between the different models (other then using the speeds).

Apple has other methods for making sure they don't appear to be 'stagnant' as you put it. For one thing, they update the enclosures of the computers. Remember what the G4 looked like early on?? How about now (the QuickSilver and QuickSilver 2002 models)?? They have done very similar things with both the iBook and iMac systems. I fully expect Apple to release a new case/enclosure for the next generation (the reason for the G in the name :rolleyes: ) tower. We won't know what they do until it is released... but people are guessing anyway (and making some svelt 3d models too).

[Cappy]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
The Gx in the PowerMac name is for the processor... Hence the PowerMac G3, G4, and (hopefully soon) G5 (when moto gets off their thumbs and gives up the chips).

That's what many folks believe. There is also the contingent who have stated that Apple follows along with that but that it really stands for the generation of the system. I believe the latter is what Apple officially goes by.

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Apple fixed all the naming differences because they confused people. There was little to no consistency in the naming conventions.

That is true; however, that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. There are other methods and terminology that their marketing can come up with and still keep it simple.

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Do you remember how 'well' Apple was doing under that 'different management' as you put it?? When they simplified the computer lineup, things improved. The G3 tower was a G3 tower you got to select the speed of the chip inside it, but you didn't have to decide if you wanted a 6500, 7500 or such and figure all that junk out.

There were issues with naming and models but some of what you listed were not the issue. The Performa line many times were virtually identical to the PowerMac line. This created confusion. The 7xxx, 8xxx, and 9xxx series really didn't confuse too many folks unless they flat out couldn't read. In the end the naming really got simpler because they widdled down the number of models they had. That was they're true problem.

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Apple would do VERY WELL to keep the naming conventions they have in place. They do give different code names to the systems, such as PowerBook G4 (also known as Titanium and DVI by Apple). There are other code names, such as Mercury and Onyx for the first two TiBooks with none designated yet for the latest (rev. C). THAT helps the people that know, distinguish between the different models (other then using the speeds).

Most folks don't keep up on the codenames. Marketing has to play a role when selling systems. Remember also Apple went with the G3 naming convention for marketing reasons. It sounded cool and catchy...very sporty. That matched up well with the snail commercial with the PII on its back.

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Apple has other methods for making sure they don't appear to be 'stagnant' as you put it. For one thing, they update the enclosures of the computers. Remember what the G4 looked like early on?? How about now (the QuickSilver and QuickSilver 2002 models)?? They have done very similar things with both the iBook and iMac systems. I fully expect Apple to release a new case/enclosure for the next generation (the reason for the G in the name :rolleyes: ) tower. We won't know what they do until it is released... but people are guessing anyway (and making some svelt 3d models too).

I do remember the early G4 systems. They used two different motherboards for those that confused the hell out of many folks. You had to look at the back and know what to look for to discover which version was sitting in front of you. Not one of their brighter moves. Your other comments about the case design hold for anyone attempting to sell based on style. Naming also plays a role...it's called marketing :rolleyes:. With your thought process you probably had a fit when they came out with the iMac. Simplicity would have kept it as a G3 All In One which Apple already had. Marketing folks(Steve included) stepped forward and said we need a new start with a new name for the new system.

Don't be so closed minded about it. I never said that they would do it and frankly I wouldn't complain if they left it alone since it does make some sense. I just pointed out some facts that you didn't even refute. And sure folks are guessing. It's part of the whole gossip/rumor stuff. Maybe I posted to the wrong board. This is a rumor board is it not? ;)

[AlphaTech]

That's what many folks believe. There is also the contingent who have stated that Apple follows along with that but that it really stands for the generation of the system. I believe the latter is what Apple officially goes by.

The G IS for the processor generation, NOT the system... Hence the differnet names for the updates to the PowerMac G4 (AGP, Gigabit, QuickSilver and QuickSilver 2002).

The first G4 motherboard (codenamed Yikes) was a stopgap measure until they could produce the real motherboard for the G4 processor (codenamed Sawtooth). THAT is pretty common knowledge, and was not hard to come by even then. WHEN I was looking at getting a G4 tower, even the store where I was going to get it knew that the Sawtooth motherboard was on it's way.

I personally know many people that know the codenames to the different systems (many of them post here).

With your thought process you probably had a fit when they came out with the iMac. Simplicity would have kept it as a G3 All In One which Apple already had.


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You DO NOT want to start...

I have been following the Mac system for ages, and have seen the progress of the systems from way back. The iMac was one of Apple's better moves, as was placing the processor generation into the systems name... Like PowerMac G3, PowerBook G3, and so on.

For them to suddenly switch to something different would be about as moronic as the handle you selected... what is it again 'Crappy'??? Sounds about right.

Going by YOUR limited thought processes, they never should have moved away from the beige towers and developed both the iMac's (past and present generations or revisions as they are known) the G3 blue and white, or G4 (original and quicksilver variations) towers. Apple incorporates cutting edge enclosure designs with their systems, so that people have eye candy along with the power of the systems. I bet you can't remember far enough back to when the peecee makers were trying to copy the first iMac's enclosure to capitalize on the look (you could recognize it as being from Apple with a glance, just as you can with the current versions of systems). I can scan a room full of computers and immediately see the Apple systems, even when surrounded by peecees.

Don't come in here spewing moronic sludge from your orfice and not expect to get your ass handed to you.

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[Rower_CPU]

The "Gx" name comes directly from Motorola's processor roadmap and CPU designations, not the system generation. As long as Apple is using Moto chips it makes no sense for them to abandon this naming scheme.

It also nicely parallels the Intel processor naming, which, unfortunately, Apple needs to keep in mind for converting PC users and comparing to current PC hardware.

[redAPPLE]

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[Gloria]

Is it really THAT hard to allow people to have a different opinion?

Why is it that a different enclosure couldn't be accompanied by a different name? I rather like the idea. Gives a computer more of a personal character, instead of just making it the next box in a long line. And yes, it does spur sales. Why did you think they didn't call OSX OS10?

And there I was, thinking that discussion forums were about rumors, not about flaming others.

[iGav]

Originally posted by Gloria
Why did you think they didn't call OSX OS10?


But it's pronounced OS10........

I can't complain about the current naming system..... PowerMac G5 and PowerBook G5 would sound just fine to me....... ;)

[britboy]

Originally posted by Gloria
Why did you think they didn't call OSX OS10?


Erm, perhaps because apple like to do things with a bit of style, rather than just following set patterns. Remember that X is the roman numeral for 10.


And there I was, thinking that discussion forums were about rumors, not about flaming others.

He he, you got that part wrong :p

[OSeXy!]

I think it's interesting the way the 'mac' tag comes in and out of focus across the current product line.

The iMac, eMac and PowerMac all put the 'mac' up front.

With the iBook, PowerBook and Xserve, it goes under ground.

The Apple Site's pages for the Xserve only mention 'mac' in conjunction with the operating system: 'Mac OS X'. The actual enclosure doesn't say anthing about 'mac/macintosh' (or at least it's not in the pictures).

If the new tower comes out at MWNY without a 'mac' in the name, then I think Apple is trying to distance the pro line from (perhaps damaging?) associations with Emilio-era machines and the consumer models -- in order to lure a new slew of pro users...

And yes, I do realise the fact that the iBook is a consumer machine doesn't support the theory.;)

[boymerang]

well. i'm not going to resort to name calling, but...if we're going to stammer on about marketing - you might want to put some more thought into it.

there *is* some cohesion in the naming conventions of Apple's line up. portable computers are 'books', desktops are 'macs', and the server is 'serve'. consumer products are 'i', professional products are 'power', educational products are now 'e', and the X in Xserve is just to remind people that it runs on OSX.

OSX's moniker deviates from the previous naming conventions of the operating system for obvious reasons: there would be laughable consumer confusion if apple had two operating systems OS9 and OS10 on offer at the same time...the X further indicates a BIG difference - i think given the circumstances it's a fairly elegant way of dealing with it - without having to resort to calling the operating something like 'AlphaTech' or 'Cappy'.

Will we see a new name for the PowerMac line? not likely. Why? why would they? the names they have for their products are so paired down and straight-forward that they're almost not there. to suddenly switch to some glamazon name would seem a little strange. especially since i get the sense that their new enclosure for the powermac series will bring it in line with the PowerBook and Xserve...ie: titanium, or shiny metal. it's almost too obvious to bother pointing out, but: look at the cohesion in the consumer line, would you like your computer in white plastic, or white plastic? they're becoming even more minimalist and codified with their product line conventions.

but, we'll see.

[Grokgod]

Alpha , that was a scalding retort!

I was taken back as if there was hot water thrown upon me.

And now onto the counter blow.

As for renaming the Powermacs. There hardly seems to be any reasoning that would point to this happening when you take hardware into consideration. Even if a new G series chip arrived , i think that it would still be PowerMac G something.

Cappy~ despite whatever animal has nested within the catacombs of your vestible called loosely "your brain" I think thats it should be easy to see that no new names will be arriving soon. :)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Grokgod
As for renaming the Powermacs. There hardly seems to be any reasoning that would point to this happening when you take hardware into consideration. Even if a new G series chip arrived , i think that it would still be PowerMac G something.

Yes, but if they change the chip - I know the issues here and don't really want to get into, I don't think it will happen- but that would be reason to change the name, since it wouldn't be a Generation-Whatever, but a whole new line. This might happen one day, but until then, we'll see the Gx naming scheme.

[boymerang]

Originally posted by dukestreet


Yes, but if they change the chip - I know the issues here and don't really want to get into, I don't think it will happen- but that would be reason to change the name, since it wouldn't be a Generation-Whatever, but a whole new line. This might happen one day, but until then, we'll see the Gx naming scheme.

the G refers to the chip. so if they change the chip, it'll become a PowerMac G5 (shudder) or PowerMac FancyDancer or something. it'll still be called a PowerMac. get it?

and we can see that this pattern's already happened: the powerbook's been called a powerbook since jesus was a child, and despite obvious generational differences...its retained its name. this consistancy appears to be what apple's moving towards.

so don't expect a Macintosh Sephia, or a Corolla or something...

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by boymerang


the G refers to the chip. so if they change the chip, it'll become a PowerMac G5 (shudder) or PowerMac FancyDancer or something. it'll still be called a PowerMac. get it?

and we can see that this pattern's already happened: the powerbook's been called a powerbook since jesus was a child, and despite obvious generational differences...its retained its name. this consistancy appears to be what apple's moving towards.

so don't expect a Macintosh Sephia, or a Corolla or something...

I'm glad that other people are understanding my point on this 'issue'... The current naming conventions that Apple is using makes it very easy to identify what kind of system you are talking about. Someone says, "I have a PowerBook G4" you know it is one of three sets (400/500, 550/667, 667/800) for speeds and you KNOW what the computer looks like. If they add the speed to it (like 800) then you KNOW EXACTLY what the person has. Pretty much the same with the towers, such as "I have a PowerMac G4 933" or "QuickSilver" then you know either what system or range of speed's he/she has. Not many other computer companies have naming conventions that are that easy to follow...

If it's not broken, don't d*ck around with it.

[tortus]

The new PowerMacs should be rebranded as iWork-a-lot.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by boymerang


the G refers to the chip. so if they change the chip, it'll become a PowerMac G5 (shudder) or PowerMac FancyDancer or something. it'll still be called a PowerMac. get it?

I wasn't questioning that, sheesh, I was responding to the G arguement. I understand the difference. We also had the PowerMac G4 Cube, remember? So that is a quantifier in the whole naming process as well, which could be used in the future, OK?

I actually think this whole thread is silly, and all I was trying to point out that the G names weren't necessary.

[boymerang]

Originally posted by dukestreet



I actually think this whole thread is silly, and all I was trying to point out that the G names weren't necessary.

you're right, they're not neccessary. but they're part of the apple naming convention, at least currently. the G4 cube was a strange step-child to the rest of the powermac line...in many ways it was more characteristic of the consumer line than it was the professional (limited upgrade potential, white plastic [ahem]). and i think this was part of it's demise...that, and in many ways the cube transformed itself into the iMac G4.

but the only way we'll know for sure is when it happens...all of this is pure conjecture on the part of interested consumers...we'll see it all play out in July.

[eyelikeart]

I've always been under the impression that the "G" designation for the G3 & G4 were particular to them being 3rd & 4th generation systems...

as a matter of fact...that's what I've been told by many people...

as for Motorola labeling them as "G" series chips....isn't this particular to the fact of new technologies built into them? (ex., G4 was Alti-Vec...)

[boymerang]

Apple's own marketing places the name G4 firmly and squarely on the actual chips. they refer to it as a G4 Processor. in other words, what you're being sold is a computer with a G4 Processor in it. they're branding the processor seperately and independantly from the computer systems themselves. which is to say, that regardless of what 'generation' the powermac line is in (and i'd wager we're deeper into it than just G4, give the differences between even the old desktop beige G3 and the Blue and White).

so to clarify, if the G stands for 'Generation', it only stands for generation in relation to the processor...not the rest of the beast :)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
I've always been under the impression that the "G" designation for the G3 & G4 were particular to them being 3rd & 4th generation systems..

Its been posted before, but I'll do it again so we don't have any confusion

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M983989030230

[Rower_CPU]

Here's a link to the roadmap (hope it doesn't expire):
http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M983989030230

...Motorola uses a generational name to refer to the chip, and then Apple uses the chip name to refer to models of computers. Does that make sense? :confused:

[Mr. Anderson]

Is it just me, or are things just way to confused on this thread?

PowerMac is the name of the top end Apple computer. The Processor name is just used as a adjective, for description, like Alpha was trying to say.

We've had the PowerMac G3 (blue and white) and the PowerMac G4 (two different color cases), the next machine will most likely be a PowerMac G4, with a third case design. With the new design there will be another adjective to describe it Yikes, Sawtooth, etc.

[Rower_CPU]

I think we have things sorted out now...:)

[guv]

member how the P2 (pentium) came out? and every1 was soo pleased by it, apar from mac users, then apple brought out their chip, the G3, 3 to make it sound better than the P2 and G because it sounds the same!! only difference now is that P2 and P3 are long gone yet the G3 is still in use, and a distance behind in the Mhz. i kno u guys love preaching how mhz dont matter and how everything works fine under current systems? well the anser is u will be still comfortably using a P4 2.6Ghz in 2 years, wer as a 700Mhz G4 will look pretty pityful. apples machines are too expensive to upgrade every year or 2. Future Proofing is an issue apple need to address.

[AlphaTech]

guv, TRY and put up something ORIGINAL in the threads, DON'T post the exact same thing in at least two different threads.

Also DO NOT DOUBLE POST!

You have been warned.

[guv]

soree, mr 2000+ posts, if i dont read every little thread and score off a big list of stuff that i could say. wot i sed was a decent opinion, live with it.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by guv
member how the P2 (pentium) came out? and every1 was soo pleased by it, apar from mac users, then apple brought out their chip, the G3, 3 to make it sound better than the P2 and G because it sounds the same!! only difference now is that P2 and P3 are long gone yet the G3 is still in use, and a distance behind in the Mhz. i kno u guys love preaching how mhz dont matter and how everything works fine under current systems? well the anser is u will be still comfortably using a P4 2.6Ghz in 2 years, wer as a 700Mhz G4 will look pretty pityful. apples machines are too expensive to upgrade every year or 2. Future Proofing is an issue apple need to address.

No you won't still be running a 2.6 GHz P4 in 2 years, since it will most likely have died in that time frame or the current PC hardware has progressed to the point that it is sorely out of date.

To compare it to a current G4 would be more fair, pc whiner, so let's look at a Dual 1GHz...which will still be running strong in 3 or even 4 years, requiring little to no maintenance.

Listen to Alpha and I...we are technicians, we do this for a living. Now go away before you really get us p*ssed.

[AmbitiousLemon]

guv i think what bothered alpha (besides the fact that what you said was wrong and showd little to no understanding of computers in general and mac in particular) is that you posted the exact same message more than once.

[for those who didnt see what alpha was talking about i deleted the extra posts.]

[King Cobra]

All right. Lemon, Alpha, it's my turn. :)

guv, regarding your issue on price and upgrading, if you plan to upgrade Macs every two years at least you are getting a more than halfway decent upgrade. At least you upgrade to a faster Mac with more improved software and stability. When you upgrade a peecee every so often you are looking at a computer with a much faster processor, so fast that you won't even be able to put up a safety cage in time for when it crashes. And even if that cage was up, it would brun.

And, guv, you will burn as well if you continue to paint bright red bullseyes on your chest and !!!! Do not post your peecee ***** here on the forums, as this is a Mac forums site. If you want to avoid the flames, either quit babbling about peecees or go to the peecee forums.

BTW, Alpha, I have an extra case stored in the shed. It's ready for backup! :D
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[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
guv i think what bothered alpha (besides the fact that what you said was wrong and showd little to no understanding of computers in general and mac in particular) is that you posted the exact same message more than once.

[for those who didnt see what alpha was talking about i deleted the extra posts.]

Aye, putting three identical posts (to the letter) in two different threads (at least that I saw) is not acceptable behavior. Besides reaking of a peecee troll, posts should be unique to where they are posted. Typical lack of imagination that permiates the peecee world (and m$ too).

Hey KC, next time you catch it doing that again, let me know before you open up the cans so that I can watch (if not participate). :D

Good to see that I was not alone in feeling as I did about that personage. Not tooo surprised that it came from a 17 yo (at least if the profile info is correct).

[King Cobra]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Hey KC, next time you catch it doing that again, let me know before you open up the cans so that I can watch (if not participate). :D

I'm an impacient person, and when I see a target I do not usually hesitate to fire.

Besides, if you weren't on the forums, how would I contact you? I do not think a phone call or a singing telegram would work! :D
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[topicolo]

Just a thought: wouldn't it suck sorry, hairy ass if apple renamed the Powermac to Powermac XP or something? :p

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by King Cobra
I'm an impacient person, and when I see a target I do not usually hesitate to fire.

Besides, if you weren't on the forums, how would I contact you? I do not think a phone call or a singing telegram would work! :D


A strippergram would be appreciated :D

[Cappy]

Well it's always nice to see the signal to noise ratio hold true in a rumors forum and it appears there are a few folks with blinders and one or more with some serious insecurities begging for attention with their posts. At least some of you understood what was said to begin with. I'm not saying you agreed but it was obvious you understood. That's cool with me.

At any rate to those with blinders, hey I've been there. There is hope for you. ;) As for those with insecurities go home and talk to your mom a little more often. Maybe she can help you get through these tough times as you strive to adapt to the changes in life. You'll have to decide for yourself though if changing your name might help get you on your way finally. Basically ease up. This is just a forum catered to Mac folks. Thumping your chest and insulting others really means nothing but entertainment and I have to admit it was pretty funny.

I will reiterate to folks in case they missed it before. I have no problem with the G series naming. I merely suggested that Apple might consider something new that still would make sense since the G series naming has been around awhile now. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. In the public eye though a new snazzy name could do wonders for sales if done correctly. Some of you have trouble grasping that. Also lets not forget that Apple has actually been moving away from the G series naming. The new iMac was never called the iMac G4. What about the eMac? Nope. XServe? Nope. iBook G3? Not yet and I'll be shocked if there's ever an iBook G4...for a name.

Lastly the G series marketing done by Apple does refer to the system generations and not specifically the processor or at least I will admit it did in the beginning with the G3. That was straight from a few folks both at Apple and some closely associated with them. They just capitalized on the processor code names. It made sense. This may have changed though as it is not uncommon for Apple or anyone else to change roadmaps. I'm no longer in contact with those who would know that now. I will also admit that the G naming scheme could continue to follow the G naming scheme of the cpu since that can affect the architecture of the system. We'll just have to see.

So there you have it. For those who want to thump your chest again. Go ahead. Insult me, ban me, whatever. It doesn't really matter. If it's fun for you, go for it. At least the lurkers can get a good laugh like I used to. ;)

[boymerang]

Originally posted by Cappy
I will reiterate to folks in case they missed it before. I have no problem with the G series naming. I merely suggested that Apple might consider something new that still would make sense since the G series naming has been around awhile now. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. In the public eye though a new snazzy name could do wonders for sales if done correctly. Some of you have trouble grasping that. Also lets not forget that Apple has actually been moving away from the G series naming. The new iMac was never called the iMac G4. What about the eMac? Nope. XServe? Nope. iBook G3? Not yet and I'll be shocked if there's ever an iBook G4...for a name.

this would go against nearly every rule of branding. apple has made great, great effort to not only brand its computers, but the processors in them as well. think back to those Blue and White cases with the G3 screened on the inside of them.

you're right, they do appear to be moving away from using the G3 and G4 in the names of their machines. but not entirely...it appears their reserving processor bragging for their top-level machines (PowerBook G4, and Power Mac G4), the processor seems almost besides the point with the Xserve...and for the consumer line, that's just extra information the average joe consumer doesn't really need to worry about. "Will a G4 make Quicken file my taxes faster?"

but the point that you seem to be missing in all of this is a simple one: why would they sacrifice the G-series naming convention which the public is both receptive to, and comfortable with, in favour of something new - as well as something arbitrary? is it going to be the new Power Mac 325i? nope. because when you do numerical names like that they usually have some relationship to the object being named - unless you're hyundai. BMW does Series+engine+i (which used to indicate fuel injected, from what i remember, plus it appends other letters to denote trim-levels etc.). Mercedes does Class(+optional trim level)+engine displacement. y'understand?

Lastly the G series marketing done by Apple does refer to the system generations and not specifically the processor or at least I will admit it did in the beginning with the G3. That was straight from a few folks both at Apple and some closely associated with them. They just capitalized on the processor code names. It made sense. This may have changed though as it is not uncommon for Apple or anyone else to change roadmaps. I'm no longer in contact with those who would know that now. I will also admit that the G naming scheme could continue to follow the G naming scheme of the cpu since that can affect the architecture of the system. We'll just have to see.

sounds like a mighty big coincidence to me. i really doubt that it was used to denote "Generation 3" only once...then went on to refer to the chip. their marketing might have tried to explain it to the public that way (i really don't remember)...but what the marketing department dreams up and what's actually real are usually two different things. but this hardly matters. it now refers to the chip, this is inarguable.

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Aye, putting three identical posts (to the letter) in two different threads (at least that I saw) is not acceptable behavior. Besides reaking of a peecee troll, posts should be unique to where they are posted. Typical lack of imagination that permiates the peecee world (and m$ too).


;) ok my turn to chime in here...

Aside from triple posting just plain sucking...the fact that it's the exact same thing shows that u are still trying to defend an already dead issue...nothing new or more to add. Why even bother even trying? Alpha's just going to serve u up like yesterday's french fries...esp. when Lemon is on his side... ;)

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
esp. when Lemon is on his side... ;)

Yeah, how often does THAT happen??? LMAO!!!

[Foocha]

I think Cappy may have a point, but with some qualification:

1. G3 & G4 refer to the Motorola roadmap
2. They also refer to Apple systems
3. The Mac and Macintosh brand is here to stay - it's an iconic brand that Apple has invested substantial marketing funds in over the years.
4. The simiplification of the Apple product line has made things easier for everyone.

Having said all that...
5. Apple has been known to rebrand Motorola technologies before. Eg. "Altivec" becomes "Velocity Engine"
6. If we're stuck with G4 for another year, it will start to sound increasingly tired
7. AMD rebadged their processor line last year to make them sound competative against Intel chips with higher clock speeds - there's no reason why Apple can't re-badge their systems for the same reason.
8. Rebranding the Pro systems whilst keeping the "Mac' name in some form would take some heat off the whole G5 debate.

If you want my opinion, we could see something like "xMac" released this Summer.

Now bring on the flames!

[boymerang]

it seems logical, i know. it's hard to resist the temptation to believe that apple's going to give you a new moniker, just for the hell of it...just for ****s and giggles.

but...wait. why? what advantage? did they change the name of the new iMac to Unicron, or Optimus Prime? nope. they just radically changed its design and performance. It would logically be the under-educated consumer market that they'd try to pull a fast one like that on. the more educated professional market ain't gunna be fooled. sure, some of you will blow your load if you see a Power Mac GSpot or something...but i think you'd all catch on pretty quick "hey...this is last year's Power Mac with some Pokémon stickers on it!"

so let's all be realistic. you're going to see another Power Mac. it's going to be a G4. but it's likely going to have a new case (though i'm surprised this hasn't been leaked yet). It'll have a code-name like Mittens, or Mr. Muggins - and we'll all know what that case's codename is - because that's apparently what macusers do best.

i dunno, maybe i'm just being pessimistic.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Foocha
7. AMD rebadged their processor line last year to make them sound competative against Intel chips with higher clock speeds - there's no reason why Apple can't re-badge their systems for the same reason.

When AMD "re-badged" their Athlon series of processors, it was accompanied by a processor alteration as well. They now include additional coding to allow software that previously performed better on (or demanded) intel chips to run just as well (if not better) on the AMD Athlon XP processor line.

That being said, the XP1600+ (1.4GHz) actually outperforms an Athlon 1.4GHz chip. We are talking real world usage, not some ambiguous benchmark testing. One of the computer shops that I frequent, and obtain parts from, built two identical rigs with the processors being the only difference. With that, the one with the XP1600+ chip did outperform the one with the Athlon 1.4GHz.

I recently upgraded from a 1.4GHz t-bird (Athlon) to an XP2100+ (1.73GHz) chip and it performs much better then the 330MHz would dictate. Games are also perform much better on them, since they include code that is for the peeX line of chips.

With the AMD chips now including that extra coding, there was a real reason to rename the processor line.

As for Apple doing something like that... I don't see them taking that road. They could make the processor technical designation more available, but then again, most of the tech people that care about such things, already have that info (or know how to get it). MOST people only care about the speed numbers, and how much it costs (main reason that peecee's are sold so much).

Now if you will excuse me (or even if you don't) I have systems that need repairing...


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[Cappy]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


When AMD "re-badged" their Athlon series of processors, it was accompanied by a processor alteration as well. They now include additional coding to allow software that previously performed better on (or demanded) intel chips to run just as well (if not better) on the AMD Athlon XP processor line.

That being said, the XP1600+ (1.4GHz) actually outperforms an Athlon 1.4GHz chip. We are talking real world usage, not some ambiguous benchmark testing. One of the computer shops that I frequent, and obtain parts from, built two identical rigs with the processors being the only difference. With that, the one with the XP1600+ chip did outperform the one with the Athlon 1.4GHz.

I recently upgraded from a 1.4GHz t-bird (Athlon) to an XP2100+ (1.73GHz) chip and it performs much better then the 330MHz would dictate. Games are also perform much better on them, since they include code that is for the peeX line of chips.

With the AMD chips now including that extra coding, there was a real reason to rename the processor line.

How about that? You actually were able to sound like a mature person here with some logic and understanding. We'll keep it positve and stop here so you don't develop a complex.

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Now if you will excuse me (or even if you don't) I have systems that need repairing...


Seriously though I did a quick search through here of your posts and many times you actually sound like a normal person helping out on the forums. That's cool...keep it up. Still not sure what happens those other times though but I'm sure you're going to tell us at some point. ;)

Back on topic though sure the odds are against Apple changing it. It costs them money to make changes like that. They're research tells them when it's time to do it and there will be a time.


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[guv]

man u guys take urselves way to seriosuly. i mite not be a tech like u guys but i hav got an advanced higher in computer studies which put me out the pool of "not idea bout computer at all". if u guys want to dictate ur opinion like a fascist recheme, go 4 it. ill bugger off and find a democratic forum. ive been a whole hearted mac user for 10 years, and im the only 1 i kno out side the guy in the ediburgh mac center.

[boymerang]

Originally posted by guv
man u guys take urselves way to seriosuly. i mite not be a tech like u guys but i hav got an advanced higher in computer studies which put me out the pool of "not idea bout computer at all". if u guys want to dictate ur opinion like a fascist recheme, go 4 it. ill bugger off and find a democratic forum. ive been a whole hearted mac user for 10 years, and im the only 1 i kno out side the guy in the ediburgh mac center.

in this new democratic forum...do you all vote on which topic's next, or which post to post? so far as i can tell - you're free to post here what you'd like...within reason. if you're going to say something that's _obviously_ wrong - you're going to get people correcting you (it's a little like reality in that regard, no?)...

anyway...just relax, take a deep breath, you'll be fine.

[guv]

is it such a problem that i accidentaly posted twice? it wasnt me say the same thing twice, its the same ***** message.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by guv
is it such a problem that i accidentaly posted twice? it wasnt me say the same thing twice, its the same ***** message.

It wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't posted the EXACT SAME THING in another thread. Do THAT at your own peril. IT was NO ******** accident.

Newbies :rolleyes:

[Grokgod]

Let us allow people the occasional error lest we foster a climate of fear.

Of course, its insane for me to stand tween AlphaTech and his newest meat puppet.
Yet, surely this indescretion is small, there must be bigger meat to fry?

[Dunepilot]

•Cappy posts
•Alphatech chimes in

•Cappy makes a sensible reply, which, oh horror , questions something that Alphatech has written - "With your thought process you probably had a fit when they came out with the iMac" - yes, he probably did.

•Alphatech throws a fit - "For them to suddenly switch to something different would be about as moronic as the handle you selected... what is it again 'Crappy'??? Sounds about right".


Alphatech, is it that your number of posts is inverse to your ability to understand what Apple is really about, i.e. innovation ?

You seem to have been somewhat riled by the satire in Cappy's
<insert clever, witty saying here>
<insert some certification here to sound superior>
<insert hardware owned here to sound, well, uh cool>

Oh no, but wait, he doesn't have a high post count, so whatever he writes must be rubbish....:rolleyes:

[Dunepilot]

Originally posted by Cappy


How about that? You actually were able to sound like a mature person here with some logic and understanding. We'll keep it positve and stop here so you don't develop a complex.


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I think Alpha should be grateful Cappy's such a nice guy.

[Foocha]

One thing I hate about this message board is when people start flaming each other.

It seems to happen in waves - last year there was a massive spike (you know what I'm saying) and now it all seems to be happening again.

When message boards get interesting is when you have a bunch of civil, intellegent people with different opinions who are willing to engage in reasoned debate. Of course it's not possible for every thread to arrive at a consensus - in a democracy it is necessary to try to respect other people opinions, even if you don't happen to agree with them.

Here's a motto for you from Beatrice Hall in 1906:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
I think Alpha should be grateful Cappy's such a nice guy.

I think the part about his post being edited by a moderator kind of goes against that assertion.:rolleyes:

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I think the part about his post being edited by a moderator kind of goes against that assertion.:rolleyes:

Aye, he cut out all the juicy parts :mad: I know it wasn't eye, or da duke, which leaves lemon. I have added cappy to my ignore list (as someone too moronic to be allowed to breed)... :D

[Dunepilot]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I think the part about his post being edited by a moderator kind of goes against that assertion.:rolleyes:

To me that just underlines the unprecendented protection you guys give Alphatech from anyone disagreeing with him.

I hope to God he's never made a moderator. That'll be the day I stop checking Macrumors for good. take note Arn, I doubt I'm in the minority

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
To me that just underlines the unprecendented protection you guys give Alphatech from anyone disagreeing with him.

I hope to God he's never made a moderator. That'll be the day I stop checking Macrumors for good. take note Arn, I doubt I'm in the minority

I've never defended Alpha's actions, and I don't expect other demi-Gods/high posters to defend mine. We are all adults and can take responsibility for what we say.

The only time a moderator will edit posts is if someone starts personally attacking someone. If that's what Cappy was doing then why are you defending him?

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
To me that just underlines the unprecendented protection you guys give Alphatech from anyone disagreeing with him.

I hope to God he's never made a moderator. That'll be the day I stop checking Macrumors for good. take note Arn, I doubt I'm in the minority

Alright there sparky... one, the edit was done NOT for my benefit. Two, no one gets along with everyone all the time, and no one has to. Disagree with me all you want, in most cases, I don't give the perverbial flying rat's rectal cavity. Just make sure you get your facts locked in before going against my info. IF you can PROVE your point, good, if not gtfo.

Finally, since the moderators need to behave more, I don't really want to become one. I have offered assistance to arn in OTHER ways, then becoming a moderator. Beside the fact, that there are enough moderators to provide good coverage.

The ONLY one of my posts to EVER be altered, has been that ONE.

If you can't handle a heated discussion, then you severely limit the threads you will be comfortable in (reading or posting into).

I guess you don't remember back when I was a newbie to this site. I have earned my rights, maybe you will eventually do the same.

[Dunepilot]

...before it was edited.

but whatever he wrote was probably not significantly more offensive than the garbage Alphatech writes.

Alphatech is allowed to write whatever he likes against people's generally sensible suggestions, but when he does so, he glories in the fact that he's 'flamed' someone.

Oh my, Alphatech, you really are intimidating. With your limited use of English and knowledge of motorbikes we should all bow down before you.

I think Cappy adopted a moderate, conciliatory attitude, something I've never seen Alpha do, even when he's blatantly wrong.

[Dunepilot]

As I see it, Alphatech is no better than Spiky ever was.

Discuss....

Oh yeah - new computer naming - I hope Apple do it. It makes marketing sense; differentiation etc

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
As I see it, Alphatech is no better than Spiky ever was.

Discuss....

Oh yeah - new computer naming - I hope Apple do it. It makes marketing sense; differentiation etc

If you attack someone's grammar/spelling you better back it up with perfection on your part.

It was "spikey" not "Spiky".

And you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to spikey or a new naming convention.

[Mr. Anderson]

try to keep it civil in here......

[AlphaTech]

If you don't like what I am putting up, then IGNORE it... :rolleyes:

As far as I know, people in here are free thinkers and not drones. IF they choose to side with me, then they obviously agree with at least part of what I am saying. Judging by the reactions that YOU are getting from other people, before I could get to read the posts, I'd say that they are against what you are putting up.

Go back, read the posts, MINE was altered (I am fairly certain that AmbitiousLemon removed some text from one of the posts, is has the moderator finger print on it).

I do give people ways to avoid counterposts, and it doesn't take a hell of a lot to avoid being slam-danced. A few simple words in the posts is all it takes... if you cannot figure them out, then that's your loss.

For the record, I have assisted more people then I have flamed, ever. I continue to offer up real tech assistance for people in need, and will continue to do so. I know of several regulars here that I have assited, and would hope that at least a few would chime in on this. If not, no biggie...

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by dukestreet
try to keep it civil in here......

THAT is what the moderator put in that post... :D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by dukestreet
try to keep it civil in here......

I vote for closing it already. This isn't going to go anywhere.:rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

Lemon stuck the thread to keep an eye on it, I'll let him close it or unstick it if he wants.

[arn]

I've reopened this thread to post some groundrules.

I apologize this thread has gone on as long as it has. I don't have time to read all the threads.

Over time, this problem keeps arising... flamewars, personal insults etc... Note, a previous user was banned from this site because of constantly inciting these personal attacks.

1) Personal attacks will NOT be tolerated. Constructive responses and criticisms are acceptable. In the future these posts will be deleted without warning. If you see a post like this, report it to the moderators.

2) Please try not to get off topic about the threads. If you have complaints about users/flamewars, email me and I will handle it as quickly as possible.

arn