PDA +Apple

[jermsmingy]

Okay guys, flame me if you want, but I am wondering why apple would not want to enter the PDA market. They entered the mp3 player market and was very successful. Also, the planned released for the palm conduit for entourage is July 15. Isn't that the keynote for MWNY? I could see apple coming out with a PDA and demonstrating it that day. If anyone can make money in this market it is apple. They have great control on how many they would produce, and it could be used as part of the digitial hub. Does anyone remember when they demonstrated quicktime 6's mp4 streaming technology to an ericsson phone. What if the PDA had wireless internet? How many of you would buy one? If you wouldn't buy one why not? And do you own a PDA already?

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2002/06/04.11.shtml

[DavPeanut]

I think that would be nice, but I'm not sure if it will happen :rolleyes: . If they do, they should have a five gig HD+, and make it like an iPod 2. Then it might be able play music, store info, show movies, connect to the internet,...

I just don't know. I'm only 14 (in 4 days actually), so I can't really get a lot of time to make friends w/ people at apple. Plus, I like on the opposite side of the country from apple.:(

[Hypatia]

Who wouldn't buy a PROPER PDA?
Most of the stuff currently available are riduculously overpriced address books that you can't actually do anything much with. How many people actually need a £250 gadget that can hold ten thousand addresses but basically not much else.

Imagine something like a ipod crossed with a Psion-
With even an eight year old psion you could write a report, on a KEYBOARD! and print it out to any printer with a parallel port. Later ones e-mail and fax and do all sorts, they are just rather grey and the screens are low res and black and white but they are still the best around of the type and you can stick them in the back pocket of your jeans.
They were hopeless at connecting with a Mac but brilliant even without that.

An iPod crossed with a Psion with a colour screen, bluetooth and proper picture and music support.

Some people called OQO.com have done something in that direction but put Windows XP on it for some sad reason plus no keyboard but at least someone is trying.

[teabgs]

dude, this rumor has been alive FOREVER....just give up on it.

When I see it I'll believe it. I'm sure one day it'll happen again....but probably once apples market share is doubled as Steve said it will be....

Possibly MWSF03, but not MWNY....unless Apple would like to prove me wrong...;)

[chmorley]

Originally posted by DavPeanut
I think that would be nice, but I'm not sure if it will happen :rolleyes: . If they do, they should have a five gig HD+, and make it like an iPod 2. Then it might be able play music, store info, show movies, connect to the internet,...

I just don't know. I'm only 14 (in 4 days actually), so I can't really get a lot of time to make friends w/ people at apple. Plus, I like on the opposite side of the country from apple.:(
Welcome, DavPeanut. Good to see a young recruit.

Chris

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by teabgs
dude, this rumor has been alive FOREVER....just give up on it.

True, but the G5 rumor's getting pretty long in the tooth too. :)

And Apple went there once, and they had a kickass product that was ahead of its time, and it never flew. In my opinion they repeated themselves with the Cube. So us old Apple faithfuls will always hope against hope that they go there again... and this time, make it!!

But I don't think Steve's decision was totally out of line, either. PDA's are still a relatively new technology, and there still is a lot to learn about it.

[Beej]

Originally posted by Hemingray
True, but the G5 rumor's getting pretty long in the tooth too. :) Difference is, the G5 will actually come out one day...

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Beej
Difference is, the G5 will actually come out one day...

well, you might be wrong there, slim chance that we might get something else other than motorola you know...but not good odds and I wouldn't place any bets on it either.....

[Durandal7]

Originally posted by dukestreet


well, you might be wrong there, slim chance that we might get something else other than motorola you know...but not good odds and I wouldn't place any bets on it either.....

Even if it is from Mototrola it may be an entirely new chip line or a renamed G-series chip. Again not good odds though.

[swahilibill]

I honestly would like to see an Apple PDa, it would be better than the crap that is out there right now. But you guys gotta let it go. Maybe it will happen, maybe not, but don't obsess, it is just a PDA. i believe that in Steve Jobs Head, the iPod has taken over the small electronic market right now, he has this thing about no PDA's. I do believe that he is either creating one right now to realease to what he thinks will shock us all. Or, I think that he and Jon Ive will come up with something that will be as "EVOlutionary" as the iMac G4 I am using right now. I am not saying to not be creative and hopeful, but relax and let old Jobsee hande it.

[BwanaZulia]

Have you seen the stock of PALM and HAND? They are both trading under $2. There is no WAY Apple is going to get into this market until the market itself shapes up. Sony, Handspring and Palm are battling it out and no one is making any money. It would seriously hurt Apple stock (doing pretty good) if they announced they were getting into the PDA market.

Would I like one? Yes.

Would I buy one? Yes.

Should Apple update the iPod (which I love) with more functionality to include memos, todos, and make it Sync with Palm Desktop, Address Book, etc? Yes they should (and probably will). But PDAs are going into much more of a wireless world (cell phones) and I don't think Apple would have anything to offer in the Cell Phone area.

BZ

[Hypatia]

I don't think Apple will produce a PDA of the sophistication I am thinking of, the iPod crossed with a Psion I would like to see.
The poor current performance of Palm etc is down to the limitations of the devices.
I really, really want a good PDA. I went and looked at all the expensive colourfull and pretty useless offerings on sale right now and then went and bought a secondhand Psion 5mx on eBay.

There is a gap in the market for a device a lot of people want and for which the technology exists. We just want Apple to do it because theyre the only one's with the vision, but they aren't interested because they have bigger fish to fry.

Maybe we should put together our own company and make our own handhelds and then we can make them just how we want them and make a few million $ on the side.:D

[Rajj]

It would be lovely to have an Apple PDA, running something like OSX on it.

They should make a full functional PDA, like mp3 player, 10 gig HDD, writing reconition, touch screen, voice reconition, wireless internet connection 1.5mps and so on!!:D

[eyelikeart]

but why the hell not say it again...

Jobs said "NO PDA!!!"

honestly...why can this not be put to rest already...

haven't there been enough threads wishing for this mythical piece of hardware already?!

don't u guys have anything better to do?! :eek: :rolleyes: :o

[Mr. Anderson]

Ha, you got to love it eye, this subject is like a bad weed or cockroaches, no matter how many time you kill it, it somehow manages to come back....you're fighting a losing battle.

[eyelikeart]

maybe I'll start multiple threads on bringing back old tv shows...

damnit....I really liked Cheers!!!! :D

[AudiA4]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
don't u guys have anything better to do?! :eek: :rolleyes: :o

Well "eye", this comes full circle. The REAL question is why don't YOU have anything better to do.

[teabgs]

Originally posted by AudiA4


Well "eye", this comes full circle. The REAL question is why don't YOU have anything better to do.

OOOOH SNAP! He got you with that one buddy....:p

[Nipsy]

Apple is going to release a PDA, and sell it only to hip hop moguls.

It is going to be called the:

P. Dapple

[MikeMac]

eye, I think you should make an AppleScript that scours the forums for any mention of the infamous Apple PDA and posts the default "Jobs said: NO PDA!!!"

As an aisde, here's a FORTUNE interview with Jobs around the time the iPod first came out. In it he says (you guessed it) NO PDA (but he did think about it).

http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=artcol.jhtml&doc_id=204904

That being said, who here would like to replace the PDA rumor with one for an Apple subnotebook? :cool:

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by MikeMac
eye, I think you should make an AppleScript that scours the forums for any mention of the infamous Apple PDA and posts the default "Jobs said: NO PDA!!!"

now that's a great idea!!! :D

and as for u AudiA4...I think u deserve a pie in the face...compliments of the mighty mischief... :eek: ;)

[mmmdreg]

whats the specs of the best current PDA on the market? like HD and speed etc...

[boobers]

monochrome screen with an address book and a game of pong? With a weakass operating system..woopdedoo..No way apple will release another PDA........BUT i could see apple introducing a pocket Computer or as OQO puts it "ultra personal computer" In fact this seems very, very likely to me.
Think Different folks. Then you will get the idea.
Slugger

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by boobers
monochrome screen with an address book and a game of pong? With a weakass operating system..woopdedoo..No way apple will release another PDA........BUT i could see apple introducing a pocket Computer or as OQO puts it "ultra personal computer" In fact this seems very, very likely to me.
Think Different folks. Then you will get the idea.
Slugger

at least boob understands me!!

All kidding aside, it would be a waste to put effort into something described at first above. I'm predicting more of an "all-in-one" type of system: cellular, internet ready, data storage...

but please...for the love of God...NO PDA!!! :eek:

[MikeMac]

I'm with Bob and eye.

Not only are PDA's "kinda lame" like Bob says, but you have to think of this another way. What point would there be for Apple to release a PDA? Honestly now. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but just think about it from a purely business perspective.

Palm, Handspring, and even the (gasp!) PocketPC units really aren't all that great. What could Apple do differently? The Palm OS units are fine for your address book, appointments, etc. and all the other doohickeys that come with it.

People often cite the iPod when explaining why there will definately be another Apple PDA. Remember though that the iPod is "best of breed." Easy synching, only works with Mac, long battery life, large storage, etc. The PDA market is already oversaturated, Palm has lost tons of money, and I can't see what Apple would do to a PDA to make it appealing enough for the current crop of PDA users to dump their Palms.

Of the people I know who have PDAs, most freely admit that it's just a "toy." The others are "power PDA users" who are quite content to use a Palm (and not even the latest model) just so they can tote around their addresses and appointments.

Like I said before, I'm not trying to start a flame war and I know I'm new here. I just don't see why Apple would do this. I could be eating crow later, but for now I'll just end my rant. :D

[Blackcat]

Palm released PalmOS 5 to developers today, it supports ARM processors, multimedia, bluetooth and lots of other things PDAs should have had years ago.

PalmOS upto now has been nothing but a glorified address book, way behind what Newton had. Sony has tried to improve it but there's only so much you can do on a tarted up 68030!

Apple now has everything it needs to do an ultra-portable, but I think it will be somewhat beyond a licensed M505 or Clie. Inkwell exists for some reason...

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by MikeMac
What could Apple do differently?

People often cite the iPod when explaining why there will definately be another Apple PDA. Remember though that the iPod is "best of breed." Easy synching, only works with Mac, long battery life, large storage, etc. The PDA market is already oversaturated, Palm has lost tons of money, and I can't see what Apple would do to a PDA to make it appealing enough for the current crop of PDA users to dump their Palms.


I could feasibly see the iPod taking on a bigger role than just a storage unit for mp3s & such, but it will need some bigtime tweaking out in order to do so. Even still, how is Apple going to make a PDA anymore different & more attractive other than giving it some hard drive space & calling it something different?

If they are going to do anything at all, it's not going to be joining in with the stuff that's already saturating the market.

[MikeMac]

Exactly, eye.

That was the point I was trying to make above. :p

[Cappy]

Originally posted by Blackcat
Inkwell exists for some reason...

I'm beginning to think that we're all beginning to read too much into the inkwell thing and pda's. I could see Apple using this to help keep Macs in the k12 environment as with the right pad and software a computer can now be used to practice handwriting. Also having features such as this helps open up the niche markets more. The latter is one more way of getting Macs into businesses under the radar of MS worshippers.

That's not to say that they don't have some portable devices in development. I'm sure they do. Apple is going to want to enhance their marketing of the digital hub however they can if the opportunity is there.

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by MikeMac
Exactly, eye.

That was the point I was trying to make above. :p

hope I didn't step on your toes there...I'm trying to be "positive" here...and it's quite hard u know...

even for me...the happy go lucky moderator...he he he ;)

[iWalkMovies]

I think that this link feels best at home in this thread.

http://homepage.mac.com/iwalkmovies

Sorry for spamming all the other relevant threads with it too.

[Blackcat]

Originally posted by iWalkMovies
I think that this link feels best at home in this thread.

http://homepage.mac.com/iwalkmovies

Sorry for spamming all the other relevant threads with it too.

It would be hugely funny if that wasn't a fake afterall...

[GabrielX]

Originally posted by iWalkMovies
I think that this link feels best at home in this thread.

http://homepage.mac.com/iwalkmovies

Sorry for spamming all the other relevant threads with it too.

If you were sorry you wouldn't do it.

Why on earth are you bothering to spam us with this? We've all seen it. It was a rumor and not being produced.

Why am I bothering.

Gabriel
(who likes PDAs, has a use for them, would love an Apple one, but will believe a new one exists when he buys one and gets it in his hands)