1gz TiBook?

[arn]

http://homepage.mac.com/idrivex/PhotoAlbum45.html

See this thread: http://www.macaddict.com/forums/Forum1/HTML/016005.html

Supposedly the config is listed in Ingram Micro...

don't know what to make of it... If real, I would have assumed we would have heard about it already....

arn

[Falleron]

Perhaps a special edition to be introduced at NY! I cant see any other explanation (apart from it being a hoax)!

[Jookbox]

i hope it's not a hoax. my goal was to purchase a tibook when it reaches at least 1ghz.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Jookbox
i hope it's not a hoax. my goal was to purchase a tibook when it reaches at least 1ghz.
Me too! I've been holding out fot the gig TiBook, I really hope it's not a hoax, I want my gig Ti! :D

[GetSome681]

I hope this is NOT true. I'm about to buy a 667 TiBook, and I'd be extremely upset them updating this soon..unless of course they didn't change the pricing, and the 1 ghz was just insanely expensive, then it wouldn't matter. What, the TiBook has been out a little over a month?

[GetSome681]

Also, is it just me, or on both pictures it's listed under the category "ACCESSORIES/CABLES & CONNECTORS" while all the other powerbooks etc on that page are listed under "COMPUTER SYSTEMS/PORTABLE COMPUTERS." Sorry for posting like a mad man..I'm just worried b/c I was about to purchase a powerbook today!! :mad:

[edesignuk]

GetSome681, why do you not want progression? This is a good thing, the faster the TiBook the faster the pro line macs should get uped to at MWNY.

[DavPeanut]

Why would apple hide something like the one gig Tibook? If they made one, then that would also mean that the PowerMacs should be running at at least 1.3 Ghz. They will update the Powermacs at MWNY, and will update the Tibooks like 3 months latter.

Someone else said that it said "cables and extra's" or something like that next to the 1 Ghz. I wish it were true.:( At the next update, They will probably put a superdrive on the top Tibook.

[GetSome681]

Originally posted by verbose101
GetSome681, why do you not want progression? This is a good thing, the faster the TiBook the faster the pro line macs should get uped to at MWNY.

Not trying to stop progression, but Apple has been known for keeping some time between their updates, even though they have been trying to get them out quicker. However, $2500 for the low end TiBook is not cheap by any means, and to have that piece of hardware antiquated 2 months after it's introduction considering Apple's precedence, would upset a lot of people with respect to their hard earned money. If they charge the premium they list on that page ($3.6) that's fine b/c I can't afford that anyways, but to have the top end powerbook become the low end in 2 months time....not to sound like all those people always complaining about their mac not being the best anymore...but try and tell me you'd be fine if the 667 you just bought was just replaced in price by the 800. Hopefully I don't sound too hypocritical...but maybe someone will understand what I mean. I'll probably buy anyways.

[Grokgod]

There will be NO Ti speed bumps for quite a while

They were just upped and its a great REV!
There is plenty of money to be made on these babies and APPLE
isnt about to slaughter this golden goose.
You have to look at it in a business manner. This cycle must run its course till
the next revision. Its barely begun to start that.

Also, this next month is the era of the NEW PowerMacs!
Thats where all the concentration will be, bringing these babies out and strutting their stuff.

Getting them out in time for a good sales year~

If you want a New Ti, well dont worry this is the time, right now.
New York will be all 10.2 and DDR PowerMacs!

Thats plenty to sweat about.
I am lining up my Benjamins right now! All in a row. :)

[GetSome681]

Originally posted by Grokgod

I am lining up my Benjamins right now! All in a row. :)

Wanna toss some my way!! hehe:D

[MacAztec]

That would be cool. 1GHz would be extreme!

I wonder about the heat issues though...

[iGav]

1 Ghz Ti..... has a lovely ring to it...... hopefully they'll be out by Feb 03 (my upgrade window)...... actually I hope they're faster than 1Ghz by then........

I'm inclined to agree with Grokgod though.... I'd say now TiBook revisions until Sept ish.......

Oh well... I'll just keep saving up then...... :D

[britboy]

Originally posted by MacAztec
That would be cool. 1GHz would be extreme!

I wonder about the heat issues though...


From what i hear, the 800's run cooler than the 500's. If that's so, then upping the line to 1GHz probably wouldn't present any problems heat-wise. Apple seem to be getting better at dealing with the heat from the G4 (plus the improved design from moto)... practice makes perfect :)

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by britboy



From what i hear, the 800's run cooler than the 500's. If that's so, then upping the line to 1GHz probably wouldn't present any problems heat-wise. Apple seem to be getting better at dealing with the heat from the G4 (plus the improved design from moto)... practice makes perfect :)

iirc the current G4s are either .15 or .18 micron with SOI. With a .13 micron G4 they could put a GHz chip in the TiBook easily.

[Mr. Anderson]

I haven't heard anything about the next speed bump of the G4 CPU, but would it go to a .13 micron or would they be able to get the speed from a current version, just adjusting the clock. I guess what I'm asking is the size reduction necessary for a speed increase?

[mmmdreg]

I hope its true but isn't it a bit early after their latest updates?

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by dukestreet
I haven't heard anything about the next speed bump of the G4 CPU, but would it go to a .13 micron or would they be able to get the speed from a current version, just adjusting the clock. I guess what I'm asking is the size reduction necessary for a speed increase?

We already have G4s at 1GHz, so we know it's not a speed issue at the larger size.

It's definitely to keep heat and power consumption down.

[ftaok]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
We already have G4s at 1GHz, so we know it's not a speed issue at the larger size.

It's definitely to keep heat and power consumption down. Or to keep a gap between the PowerBook and PowerMac.

[Anon]

Why would they need to keep a gap between the PowerMac and the PowerBook?

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Anon
Why would they need to keep a gap between the PowerMac and the PowerBook?
I guess it's generally allways been that pro line towers were the fastest, with notebooks following behind.

[billiam0878]

If the PowerMacs hit 1.4GHz at MacWorld NY it would be conceivable that the PowerBook could hit 1.0GHz around September or October, but I couldn't see it happening any sooner as Apple needs to pump the most out of this *very nice* Rev. Maybe a BlueTooth update until then? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Bill :)

[cb911]

maybe Apple will change it's whole way of thinking of towers and the notebooks. maybe they will have a 3rd model in the TiBook line, one that is only just behind or equal to the towers, with a price to match. if there was a TiBook as fast as the towers, even though it might be alot more expensive, there would probably still be a fair few sold. Apple could completely take over the notebook market.

[britboy]

Originally posted by cb911
maybe Apple will change it's whole way of thinking of towers and the notebooks. maybe they will have a 3rd model in the TiBook line, one that is only just behind or equal to the towers, with a price to match. if there was a TiBook as fast as the towers, even though it might be alot more expensive, there would probably still be a fair few sold. Apple could completely take over the notebook market.


Being a little over-optimistic there in your predictions for apples' market share, but yes, that would be a good idea.

The only problem with is that apple use the fastest processor possible in the tower line. The tower has more space for cooling, whereas the laptop doesn't. That means apple can use faster cpu's in the towers before they get them running cool enough for the portable line.

We're probably not going to see any manufacturer (read: moto, intel or amd) with a mobile processor running at, or near to, the desktop model.

[ftaok]

Originally posted by britboy
Being a little over-optimistic there in your predictions for apples' market share, but yes, that would be a good idea.

The only problem with is that apple use the fastest processor possible in the tower line. The tower has more space for cooling, whereas the laptop doesn't. That means apple can use faster cpu's in the towers before they get them running cool enough for the portable line.

We're probably not going to see any manufacturer (read: moto, intel or amd) with a mobile processor running at, or near to, the desktop model. But Apple is running the TiBook with a full version of the Apollo. It's not a stripped down version of the desktop chip. Plus, I think the Apollo running at 1ghz is actually cooler than the previous TiBook chip (7451???) running at 667. So I don't think that heat is the main reason keeping Apple from using the 1ghz G4 in the TiBook.

[britboy]

Originally posted by ftaok
But Apple is running the TiBook with a full version of the Apollo. It's not a stripped down version of the desktop chip. Plus, I think the Apollo running at 1ghz is actually cooler than the previous TiBook chip (7451???) running at 667. So I don't think that heat is the main reason keeping Apple from using the 1ghz G4 in the TiBook.


When apple were using the G3 for their pro models, the powerbook and powermac had almost identical speeds. The desktop ran faster, but only slightly. Back then, apple didn't have to worry about the heat of the processor, so they could do that. The G4 is a *lot* hotter than the G3, so now they do have to worry. The G4 in the current tibook isn't a stripped down version of the desktop model, agreed, but it's running as fast as they can get it, whilst keeping within the heat levels they require. Have you seen the size of the heatsink the 1GHz model? It's massive!

[ftaok]

Originally posted by britboy
When apple were using the G3 for their pro models, the powerbook and powermac had almost identical speeds. The desktop ran faster, but only slightly. Back then, apple didn't have to worry about the heat of the processor, so they could do that. The G4 is a *lot* hotter than the G3, so now they do have to worry. The G4 in the current tibook isn't a stripped down version of the desktop model, agreed, but it's running as fast as they can get it, whilst keeping within the heat levels they require. Have you seen the size of the heatsink the 1GHz model? It's massive! No, I haven't seen the 1ghz chip's heat sink. But what I was saying is that the 1ghz G4 is supposed to be cooler than the 667 G4 that they used to use in the TiBook, right? Maybe you're right.

(added) - If Apple wanted to get the TiBook to 1ghz, they could easily do so by using the 7445 version of the Apollo. They run a lot cooler than the 7455's. You'd lose the L3 cache, but you'd get the clock speed with no heat penalty.

BTW, how massive is "massive"? Is this heat sink larger than the ones used in P4's and Athlons?

NOTE - I went back to check my facts and came up with this. The 1ghz 7455 puts out 21.5 watts. The 667mhz 7451 puts out 14.5 watts. The 733mhz 7445 puts out 10.3 watts.

This tells me that Apple could definately use a fast 7445 without any changes to the current form of the TiBook. You'd lose a lot of performance, but they could advertise a 1ghz TiBook. But I guess they're doing it the right way by have full featured TiBooks instead of cut down ones.

[britboy]

Originally posted by ftaok
No, I haven't seen the 1ghz chip's heat sink. But what I was saying is that the 1ghz G4 is supposed to be cooler than the 667 G4 that they used to use in the TiBook, right? Maybe you're right.

(added) - If Apple wanted to get the TiBook to 1ghz, they could easily do so by using the 7445 version of the Apollo. They run a lot cooler than the 7455's. You'd lose the L3 cache, but you'd get the clock speed with no heat penalty.

BTW, how massive is "massive"? Is this heat sink larger than the ones used in P4's and Athlons?


Admittedly the actual level of heat is speculation. I believe the Tibook 800's have less of a problem with heat than the rev. b 667's did, so apple are getting close to a 1GHz, powerbook, i'm sure. By including L3 cache in current models, apple have pretty much ruled out the option of having a future powerbook without it, at least for the top model.

For reference, this is the innards of the Qag2002: http://www.glen.nu/applehistory/images/models/g4_quick_open.jpg

This if for a P4: http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/hardware/reviews/p417/P4%20heatsink%20and%20fan.jpg

Yes, i know the Qag has to deal with two processors, but it's still quite a bit larger.

[ftaok]

britboy,

they picture for the Quicksilver didn't come up. Any links you could provide?

[britboy]

The quicksilver picture came from apple-history (http://www.apple-history.com)

www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=g4_quick_2002.html

[ftaok]

Originally posted by britboy
The quicksilver picture came from apple-history (http://www.apple-history.com)

www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=g4_quick_2002.html Aggh! I hit a firewall at work. I'll check it out at home. Thanks.

[Rower_CPU]

britboy-
Keep in mind that the P4 uses active cooling (i.e. fan) to achieve the neccessary cooling level.

Apple opts to keep the case quieter by not using a fan and using a larger heatsink.

:)

[topicolo]

Originally posted by britboy



When apple were using the G3 for their pro models, the powerbook and powermac had almost identical speeds. The desktop ran faster, but only slightly. Back then, apple didn't have to worry about the heat of the processor, so they could do that. The G4 is a *lot* hotter than the G3, so now they do have to worry. The G4 in the current tibook isn't a stripped down version of the desktop model, agreed, but it's running as fast as they can get it, whilst keeping within the heat levels they require. Have you seen the size of the heatsink the 1GHz model? It's massive!

I can think of a couple of ways apple can bypass that limitation:

1. Migrate down .13 micron mfg. processes
2. use commercial water cooling methods on the powerbook

Moving down to .13 micron would probably end up giving a 1ghz chip that produces as much heat as a 667mhz chip because it would shrink the die size by almost 1/2.
The other method, water cooling, CAN be used to funnel the heat to the titanium casing more efficiently. I know what you guys are thinking, water cooling in a laptop? this guy is on crack!
It can happen tho, I've seen it done on pc laptops:rolleyes:

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
britboy-
Keep in mind that the P4 uses active cooling (i.e. fan) to achieve the neccessary cooling level.

Apple opts to keep the case quieter by not using a fan and using a larger heatsink.

:)


I may be going blind, but i'm pretty sure i see a fan in there. Where's someone with a dual 1GHz? They would know for sure.

[Grokgod]

I dont think that its the heat issue that has kept the 1 ghz Ti from our hands.
Its APPLE's business model.

There already is a 1 GHZ Ti in the cue! Large companys like APPLE always have these things worked out far in advance.
We are in the 800 Ti cycle. This cycle will be milked for what money its worth to the company. Rev C is a great cycle, the BEST yet!
There are benchmarks that place it close to the DP 1G, in some issues.
This Ti 800 is the best thing that the company has put out yet.
All the kinks worked out and the sweet inner core remains.

A testement to all that say not to buy the first version of anything.

Apple will milk this tit, for a while. Its as plentiful as a Renoir whore.

Sweeet!

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
I may be going blind, but i'm pretty sure i see a fan in there. Where's someone with a dual 1GHz? They would know for sure.

I might have to go and double check...

I know they didn't use them on previous PowerMacs...if that small bit of black plastic on the side is a fan it's a damn small one for a heat sink.:)

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_Dawg


I know they didn't use them on previous PowerMacs...if that small bit of black plastic on the side is a fan it's a damn small one for a heat sink.:)


Well, perhaps they don't need a big fan, considering how damn big that heatsink is :) I've heard quite a few people comment on how *loud* the dual 1GHz powermac is though. Ah well, i'm not going to lose sleep over this matter :P

Grokgod~ i love your choice of wording :D

[G5orbust]

The 1 GHz powerbook is probably the most feasible thing besides the mainstream G4- DDR. The 1 GHz barrier has already been broken by the G4 and all Apple has to do is scale down power consuption. But, I think that the 933 MHz powerbook will be unveiled just before MWNY to mark the end of the powerbook. The powerbook that will be unveiled at MWNY will be 1 GHz like everyone hopes, but it will have some changes.
The changes are:
16.7 in. Active matrix LCD
2 MB L3 cache
Geforce4Go 440 w/ 64 MB
Faster combo drive OR the first ever internal, laptop Superdrive
On- Mobo airport card
Longer lasting battery to accomidate the faster chip
2 Firewire instead of 1


NOTE: This post is pure speculation

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by G5orbust
The 1 GHz powerbook is probably the most feasible thing besides the mainstream G4- DDR. The 1 GHz barrier has already been broken by the G4 and all Apple has to do is scale down power consuption. But, I think that the 933 MHz powerbook will be unveiled just before MWNY to mark the end of the powerbook. The powerbook that will be unveiled at MWNY will be 1 GHz like everyone hopes, but it will have some changes.
The changes are:
16.7 in. Active matrix LCD
2 MB L3 cache
Geforce4Go 440 w/ 64 MB
Faster combo drive OR the first ever internal, laptop Superdrive
On- Mobo airport card
Longer lasting battery to accomidate the faster chip
2 Firewire instead of 1


NOTE: This post is pure speculation
I very much doubt it...but, I would love ot if you were right! :D

Pleeeeeeease let G5orbust be right, pleeeeease :p

[G5orbust]

Hey Verbose101,
It would make everyones day (including Apple's) if they made a laptop like THAT and sold it for 3 grand, huh?

[britboy]

Originally posted by G5orbust
The 1 GHz powerbook is probably the most feasible thing besides the mainstream G4- DDR. The 1 GHz barrier has already been broken by the G4 and all Apple has to do is scale down power consuption. But, I think that the 933 MHz powerbook will be unveiled just before MWNY to mark the end of the powerbook. The powerbook that will be unveiled at MWNY will be 1 GHz like everyone hopes, but it will have some changes.
The changes are:
16.7 in. Active matrix LCD
2 MB L3 cache
Geforce4Go 440 w/ 64 MB
Faster combo drive OR the first ever internal, laptop Superdrive
On- Mobo airport card
Longer lasting battery to accomidate the faster chip
2 Firewire instead of 1


NOTE: This post is pure speculation


Sorry, but if you're really expecting that, then you're up in cloud cuckoo land. 16.7" LCD? The 15.2" that we currently have is a large as i would be happy with on a laptop. Any bigger and the size/weight factor makes it..... bulky. As for a MWNY release.... do you mean this year or next? ;) It's certaintly not going to be happening this year, of that you can be certain.

[Eliot]

I believe, if I remember an earlier( British) post that we can rule out the Superdrive for the time being. Evidently, short of fitting a " Linford's lunch-pack" to the TiBook, the form of the one is greater than the form of the other (or the many), so..........:(

[G5orbust]

Hey man, I never said I had my hopes up for those kind of specs. I already got a computer that works fine. Those specs are for the movie maker on the run who needs lots of screen real estate, a great moblie graphics card and a speedy processor with a heafty battery to give it a lot of juice. And, also, I never said it wouldn't be bulky. Remember, no pain, no gain.

[britboy]

Originally posted by G5orbust
Hey man, I never said I had my hopes up for those kind of specs. I already got a computer that works fine. Those specs are for the movie maker on the run who needs lots of screen real estate, a great moblie graphics card and a speedy processor with a heafty battery to give it a lot of juice. And, also, I never said it wouldn't be bulky. Remember, no pain, no gain.


You're certaintly not new to the apple scene, so you should know by now that apple aren't going for ugly designs. In my books, bulky = ugly. Also, remember that the tibooks were updated just recently. With MWNY just a month away, it's too early for such radical changes. We *might* (read: unlikely, but possible) see a minor alteration to the specs, but nothing major.

Oh yes, "no pain, no gain" is correct, but only when comes to the initial cost of purchasing a top-line mac :p


Eliot~ "Linford's Lunch Pack" would be the correct analogy :D Poor guy..... ;)

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by G5orbust
Hey Verbose101,
It would make everyones day (including Apple's) if they made a laptop like THAT and sold it for 3 grand, huh?
Yes it would be great, if it were to happen, which I and everyone else really do not think it will :(

[Inhale420]

Originally posted by G5orbust
The 1 GHz powerbook is probably the most feasible thing besides the mainstream G4- DDR. The 1 GHz barrier has already been broken by the G4 and all Apple has to do is scale down power consuption. But, I think that the 933 MHz powerbook will be unveiled just before MWNY to mark the end of the powerbook. The powerbook that will be unveiled at MWNY will be 1 GHz like everyone hopes, but it will have some changes.
The changes are:
16.7 in. Active matrix LCD
2 MB L3 cache
Geforce4Go 440 w/ 64 MB
Faster combo drive OR the first ever internal, laptop Superdrive
On- Mobo airport card
Longer lasting battery to accomidate the faster chip
2 Firewire instead of 1


NOTE: This post is pure speculation

where do you purchase your crack?

[jadam]

Originally posted by Grokgod

If you want a New Ti, well dont worry this is the time, right now.
New York will be all 10.2 and DDR PowerMacs!

Thats plenty to sweat about.
I am lining up my Benjamins right now! All in a row. :)
not to mention 1ghz iMacs with Geforce 4's!!

[Grokgod]

So you think that the iMac will get a speed bump to 1 ghz?

What makes you think that?

I don't think that it will happen.
I think that there will be a focus on the powermacs.

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by Inhale420


where do you purchase your crack?

Lets see what u come up with, punk.

[jefhatfield]

i think your powerbook is a predictable jump in specs except for the 16.7 inch screen

but if apple adds to the already amazing screen on tibook, that will definitely be a plus

[Brent]

It seems to me that there are two camps in this debate:
The first - those who are in the notebook market, desperately hoping for significant updates.
The second - those who own a notebook and would get miffed at any significant upgrades.

Even though I'm in the first group, I'm trying to be as impartial as ever here. I think it is completely feasible for Apple to release a 1 ghz TiBook from a technical standpoint. BUT they don't want to alienate current Apple customers who already own a notebook. If they start pumping out updates only a couple of months apart, current owners will feel slighted and not want to buy from them in the future, especially if they have just dropped a large chunk of change on the latest, greatest machine. Therefore, no 1 ghz :(.

With that said, here are my (optimistic, first camp) predictions: 1) Dropping the 800mhz to replace the 667 mhz, 2) adding the 933 mhz G4 to supplant the 800 at the top of the line, 3) bluetooth (yawn), and 4) a 64 meg graphics card.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Brent


With that said, here are my (optimistic, first camp) predictions: 1) Dropping the 800mhz to replace the 667 mhz, 2) adding the 933 mhz G4 to supplant the 800 at the top of the line, 3) bluetooth (yawn), and 4) a 64 meg graphics card.

a 64 meg graphics card would be awesome and keep it neck and neck with the high end pc laptops on the market

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


a 64 meg graphics card would be awesome and keep it neck and neck with the high end pc laptops on the market
Which it needs to be! TiBooks are very expensive laptops and for the money you should be able to keep up with the wintel laptops, most of which are a fare bit cheaper than the Ti.

[jefhatfield]

and dell has a 2 ghz p4/1 gig ddr ram/60 gig hard drive/combo drive/64 meg graphics card by nvidia for five thousand dollars (with 3 yr. protection)

those are impressive specs indeed and i hope ti gets the ddr ram, too

i will go to apple and build a similar machine...except for same speed and same ram and graphics card...and see how much it costs

[jefhatfield]

here's my results

800 mhz tibook, 1 gig ram, 60 gig hard drive, 32 meg graphics card (with ddr ram), combo drive, and three year protection plan

the dell has the faster processor at 2 ghz, and the 266 ddr standard 1 gig of ram, which are the advantages it has over tibook

but the tibook loaded with these features comes out to $4150 usd which is an over $800 dollar advantage

but give the tibook 1 gig ddr ram and a major speed boost...enough to match the 2 ghz pentium 4, and then the tibook will also be five thousand dollars

then it comes down to;

who has the better hardware
and who had the better software

the dell has a plastic case and the ti has a 100% titatnium exterior...ti is more durable

the dell has xp pro and the ti has os x...no contest in my book

right now, the dell has the killer specs, but i would still opt for the current 800 mhz tibook for reasons of software, hardware, and price ($4150 vs $5000+ dollars)

[edesignuk]

Well in that case I stand corrected.
I guess the TiBooks are along the right price line with high-end wintel notebooks.
All they need now is that key 1Ghz CPU and DDR.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by verbose101
Well in that case I stand corrected.
I guess the TiBooks are along the right price line with high-end wintel notebooks.
All they need now is that key 1Ghz CPU and DDR.

i see the 1 ghz cpu and the ddr standard ram coming for ti, but will that happen by mwsf 2003?

and will tibook maxed out at those specs stay in the 3499-3799 price tag?

if all those criteria are met, then i don't think anybody will challenge the tibook's superiority

only the ignorant will only use processor clock speed as the only criteria for buying an almost four thousand dollar laptop

[billiam0878]

Well considering that Intel now has 2GHz P4-M's, it woule be nice to see a 1GHz Ti. Though it's a bit unrealistic, I'd also love to see DDR and 64MB Graphics.

Bill

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by billiam0878
Well considering that Intel now has 2GHz P4-M's, it woule be nice to see a 1GHz Ti. Though it's a bit unrealistic, I'd also love to see DDR and 64MB Graphics.

Bill
I know this is getting old and has been said in many other threads before...but...I really do hope that apple pull somthing special out of the bag and give us what we want, 1Ghz, DDR TiBooks & 1.4Ghz, DDR PowerMacs...is that too much to ask for?

[wHo_tHe]

I love the TiBook form factor, but I'd like to see Apple improve its durability and rigidity, much as they did with the G3 PowerBook. And, like the G3, it'd be nice if they did it while cutting the weight too. Nothing like competing engineering specifications to challenge the hardware team. :)

[cb911]

you want more durability in the TiBook? what do you plan to use it for? what's wrong with the way it is now? why should Apple be spending money on durability when they could be getting the 1GHz TiBook finished?

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by cb911
...why should Apple be spending money on durability when they could be getting the 1GHz TiBook finished?
Exactly! Stuff durability, I want my 1Ghz TiBook...NOW! :D

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by britboy



We're probably not going to see any manufacturer (read: moto, intel or amd) with a mobile processor running at, or near to, the desktop model.

winbook has desktop pentium 4s in laptops due to the fact that p4s with .13 micron processing is cool enough to run in laptops (usually plugged in)

when moto gets down thru the .13 and .11 micron process, then apple will be able to easily put a full speed processor in a laptop because the voltage, heat and battery issues will be solved

it won't hurt the desktop market if a laptop is just as fast since the desktop has the full expandability features a laptop can never provide

it would be nice to see a 1ghz laptop from apple but the 1 ghz mark was achieved in the g4 desktop without a lot of fanfare

at this point, features are key more than raw processor speed

could you imagine when moto hits 2 ghz when intel will be at 3 ghz? really...who will care about raw processor speed then...the superiority of os x and the ease of use of macs and stable hardware will be the key

...and thus apple can get back beyond five percent of the market share and (it will take that to help the share price)

apple cannot exist forever only making us 4.5 percent of the market, the mac faithful, happy...even though we will always be apple's core business

new users are apple's immediate future....thus the "switch" ads on tv and print

[DannyZR2]

People really piss me off when they try to explain how Apple shouldn't upgrade their products just so they will feel better with their recent spending sprees...

Go suck a monkey's A$$ people!!!

You're saying that Apple should get FURTHER behind in the market than it already is JUST so you can feel good!!!

I think Apple is figuring out that they HAVE to upgrade products more than every 6 - 9 months as other companies do! That's why we've been getting "non event" upgrades recently.

Check out how often DELL upgrades their products.. every damn time I look over there, they've got the VERY latest P4 chips that are just announced that week on the website available for orders!

I HATE DELLS and MS but come on! We can't afford to have updates so spread apart anymore... we've got 2.4% market share!?! because we "seem" so behind! we don't even have DDR yet! and like it's been said.. 32MB graphics cards!!! in our TOP END laptops! That sucks!!!!!


I can't wait to get a new Powermac.. but I certainly hope it has DDR and at least 1.2ghz dual cpus. AND i hope it's not the last update of the year or that is VERY sad!

You have to realize that buyinga computer is buying OLD technology that has been out for years already!



THE LONGER YOU WAIT, THE CHEAPER AND BETTER THEY GET.