There's Nothing "PRO" About the MacBook Pro

[TommyLee]

This thread is long over due.

There is nothing "Pro" about this machine.
To me, if you're going to say a computer is for "Professional", there better be at least 2 Hard Drives, 4 USB ports, 2 firewire ports, VGA & DVI outputs and L/R balanced i/o.

excessive heat is not "Pro"
weird noises coming from both the cpu and the screen is not "Pro"
WOW! Cool lights under the keys. :rolleyes: Nope. Not "Pro".
speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"
Have you ever opened one of these things up? It's got a subwoofer, lol! WHO CARES?! :eek:
5 hour battery life is NOT Pro. BUT THIS IS (http://www.notebooks.com/2008/09/17/hp-elitebook-6930p-24-hours-of-battery-life-on-a-single-charge/)
no 3g, no Blue-Ray, no svideo is not "Pro"
no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO! Glossy screens ARE NOT PRO!!! Ask ANY photographer is the world.
NVIDIA GeForce is for Pro's Amateurs.
no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click :(


Do MacBook Pro's suck? I love mine.
I'm sorry, but the Macbook Pro is not Pro at all. It's just a pretty pc. Maybe if the screen would swivel like those old iMacs...

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[Aea]

The only thing "not pro" in the machine is the glossy screen, otherwise it earns the distinction fair and square ;)

[Tallest Skil]

speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"

Caring which way speakers point is not "pro". Come on. What other way would they point, anyway?

Have you ever opened one of these things up? It's got a subwoofer, lol! WHO CARES?!

Obviously not you, therefore it is irrelevant.

no svideo is not "Pro"

Since when does anyone use S-Video anymore?

Glossy screens ARE NOT PRO!!! Ask ANY photographer is the world.

Only thing I agree with.

no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click

Apple thinks their way is better. They're phasing out the mouse.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

You should probably ask a mod to move this to one of the 500 other threads with basically the exact same premise.

anyway, how is the lack of a mouse button not pro? Scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one are you?

Also, how many photographers do you know? Why would any of them use a 6 bit laptop panel to edit photos?

Not all the MBPs have heat and noise issues. In fact that's a small minority.

You want a 24 hour battery life? Then get ready to sacrifice all power from the laptop.
The GPU is fine, if you're looking for a sleek and powerful laptop and not a huge ugly gaming machine then it's just about the best you can do.

Are you actually complaining that the backlight keyboard should be gone? Puhleez.

[TommyLee]

Caring which way speakers point is not "pro". Come on. What other way would they point, anyway?

Obviously not you, therefore it is irrelevant.you are irrelevant
The Importance of Speaker Placement (http://www.speechprivacysystems.com/pages/Placement)

[Tallest Skil]

you are irrelevant
The Importance of Speaker Placement (http://www.speechprivacysystems.com/pages/Placement)

Addendum to the photographer 6-bit screen thing: How many musicians do you think use built-in laptop speakers?

Come back when you actually know what professionals do with their computers to warrant your non-pro rant.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

you are irrelevant
The Importance of Speaker Placement (http://www.speechprivacysystems.com/pages/Placement)

That's akin to the "you're a towel" argument. I'm sorry TommyLee, but you are in fact a towel.

[.Andy]

They are a professional price. OP is wrong.

[TommyLee]

Since when does anyone use S-Video anymore? http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5048/3984674150be72ec73ceo2.jpg

[TommyLee]

That's akin to the "you're a towel" argument. I'm sorry TommyLee, but you are in fact a towel.as you, are a Troll

[Tallest Skil]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5048/3984674150be72ec73ceo2.jpg

Which could also be done with VGA, DVI, HDMI, or DisplayPort. The latter three of which can also carry full-resolution studio Blu-ray movies.

Professors are always messy...:rolleyes:

[TuffLuffJimmy]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5048/3984674150be72ec73ceo2.jpg
How is that relavent? there are plenty of pictures of people using zunes too...
as you, are a Troll

he got trolled off by:

Does that mean you have no real reply?

[.Andy]

Even Dawkins soothing accent can't save this thread :(.

[TommyLee]

Which could also be done with VGA, DVI, HDMI, or DisplayPort.

Professors are always messy...:rolleyes:or RCA :p

[TommyLee]

Even Dawkins soothing accent can't save this thread :(.Who's Dawkins?

[Demosthenes X]

This thread is long over due.

And ridiculous!

There is nothing "Pro" about this machine.
To me, if you're going to say a computer is for "Professional", there better be at least 2 Hard Drives, 4 USB ports, 2 firewire ports, VGA & DVI outputs and L/R balanced i/o.

It's a laptop. If it had all those ports and connectors, it would no longer be a laptop and you would be whining about how it was too big, too heavy, and not portable enough.

excessive heat is not "Pro"

It's a laptop. Heat is normal, unless you're happy with a less powerful processor. But then you'd be whining about it not being powerful enough, and making some stupid thread about how a 1.5Ghz machine is not "Pro".

speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"

It's a laptop.

5 hour battery life is NOT Pro. BUT THIS IS (http://www.notebooks.com/2008/09/17/hp-elitebook-6930p-24-hours-of-battery-life-on-a-single-charge/)

It's a laptop.

no 3g, no Blue-Ray, no svideo is not "Pro"

S-video is pro again?

NVIDIA GeForce is for Pro's Amateurs.

no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click :(

Then buy a $10 USB mouse. Or, don't buy an Apple, and stop whining.

I'm sorry, but the Macbook Pro is not Pro at all. It's just a pretty pc. Maybe if the screen would swivel like those old iMacs...

Right. The lack of apparently "Pro" features like good speakers, 3G, and an S-video port could be compensated for by a swiveling screen? :rolleyes:

If you want a real, top of the line pro machine, buy a desktop. The MacBook Pro is a mobile "Pro" machine. That mobility necessarily demands a compromise compared to a desktop machine.

But hey, go find me a mobile machine will every feature you just listed that doesn't cost a small fortune, and that doesn't have the form factor of a brick.

[Tallest Skil]

or RCA :p

So why not vouch for that as a pro addition?

[darngooddesign]

* excessive heat is not "Pro"
Mine doesn't run hot.

* weird noises coming from both the cpu and the screen is not "Pro"
Mine makes no weird noises

* WOW! Cool lights under the keys. :rolleyes: Nope. Not "Pro".
I disagree. I do work in a darker environment and they are great.

* speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"
Sounds better than my MacBook where the screen reflected the sound at me.

* Have you ever opened one of these things up? It's got a subwoofer, lol! WHO CARES?! :eek:
That makes my Pro sound better. I like it.

* 5 hour battery life is NOT Pro.
That's debatable, but I would like more.

* no 3g, no Blue-Ray, no svideo is not "Pro"
Amatuers bitch about 3G. Pros tether to their phones. Blue Ray would sap the battery. S Video... the 90's called, they're looking for you.

* no Glossy screens ARE NOT PRO!!! Ask ANY photographer is the world.
Glossy has yet to be an issue for me. Professionals use external displays.

* NVIDIA GeForce is for Pro's Amateurs.
Its fine for a my needs as a Pro designer. If you are thinking about for gaming then you are not talking about Pro needs.

* no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click :(
Mine has right click. I don't care about not having a button because if you are a Pro doing work you are not using the trackpad.

I consider mine a Pro laptop.

[bc008]

excessive heat is not "Pro"
I dont think the new MBP's are as hot as the old ones from what ive heard, but i dont know for sure.
weird noises coming from both the cpu and the screen is not "Pro"
sounds like you have a personal problem with your machine, have apple look at it.
WOW! Cool lights under the keys. :rolleyes: Nope. Not "Pro". while not "pro" it is a nice feature you would expect in a "Pro"
speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"
okay.. i dont get this one ;)
Have you ever opened one of these things up? It's got a subwoofer, lol! WHO CARES?! :eek:
isnt that good?, same argument with the keyboard. a nice addition
5 hour battery life is NOT Pro. BUT THIS IS (http://www.notebooks.com/2008/09/17/hp-elitebook-6930p-24-hours-of-battery-life-on-a-single-charge/)
I agree, i think apple should allow larger cell battery add ons, who cares if it raises the notebook a little.
no 3g, no Blue-Ray, no svideo is not "Pro"
agree about the first two, at least as BTO options but i dont think people really use svideo anymore.
no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO! Glossy screens ARE NOT PRO!!! Ask ANY photographer is the world.
I completely agree. as an average mac user i dont care about the gloss, but i can see how others would
NVIDIA GeForce is for Pro's Amateurs.
with all the problems apple was having with failures, including my own previous gen MBP, I agree.
no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click :(
It technically does have a right click, but it takes some getting used to.

[Marci]

[QUOTE=TuffLuffJimmy;6748559]
Also, how many photographers do you know? Why would any of them use a 6 bit laptop panel to edit photos?/QUOTE]

I'm a pro photographer. I use my 8-core to do most of my editing...but sometimes a laptop has to suffice - especially when traveling. :)

that is why I am holding off until January to replace my ruined from a coffee spill 17inch Macbook Pro - every little bit of improvement helps.

[MBPDiva]

This thread is long over due.

There is nothing "Pro" about this machine.

I agree! When I purchased my MBP I questioned why there was only 2 Gigs of RAM on board. For my money I expected a little bit more than what I already had on my PC. :confused:

[cg165]

This thread is long over due.

There is nothing "Pro" about this machine.
To me, if you're going to say a computer is for "Professional", there better be at least 2 Hard Drives, 4 USB ports, 2 firewire ports, VGA & DVI outputs and L/R balanced i/o.

excessive heat is not "Pro"
weird noises coming from both the cpu and the screen is not "Pro"
WOW! Cool lights under the keys. :rolleyes: Nope. Not "Pro".
speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"
Have you ever opened one of these things up? It's got a subwoofer, lol! WHO CARES?! :eek:
5 hour battery life is NOT Pro. BUT THIS IS (http://www.notebooks.com/2008/09/17/hp-elitebook-6930p-24-hours-of-battery-life-on-a-single-charge/)
no 3g, no Blue-Ray, no svideo is not "Pro"
no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO! Glossy screens ARE NOT PRO!!! Ask ANY photographer is the world.
NVIDIA GeForce is for Pro's Amateurs.
no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click :(


Do MacBook Pro's suck? I love mine.
I'm sorry, but the Macbook Pro is not Pro at all. It's just a pretty pc. Maybe if the screen would swivel like those old iMacs...

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I'm confused about a few things:

1.) Why was this thread overdue again? I remember reading threads with almost the exact title as this the day it came out.

2.) You list all of the things you don't like and how it isn't pro, yet you have one? Why not just buy the one in your link and stop talking about it. This thread is a waste, and I've just wasted my time responding so I'm cutting this short.

[bc008]

i put all the time into typing my post so nice, and now its probably going to get closed because of those ridiculous images.. :rolleyes:

[MBPDiva]

Also, how many photographers do you know? Why would any of them use a 6 bit laptop panel to edit photos?
I disagree with the OP on this point as well. I work in graphics with hi res photos and I have no problems with the glossy display at all. The only people I hear complaining about the glossy display are non-photographers.

[TommyLee]

I'm confused about a few things:

1.) Why was this thread overdue again? I remember reading threads with almost the exact title as this the day it came out.

2.) You list all of the things you don't like and how it isn't pro, yet you have one? Why not just buy the one in your link and stop talking about it. This thread is a waste, and I've just wasted my time responding so I'm cutting this short.So you just decided to waste my time trolling my thread and not providing ONE SINGLE PROFESSIONAL advantage the MacBook has? I'm confused about that. :cool:

[iSpoody 1243]

this thread makes me wanna cry :(
i have no idea what kind of a professional you are talking about,
it seems professionals are happy with the mbp but noobs complain aboot it not being "pro".

[darngooddesign]

So you just decided to waste my time trolling my thread and not providing ONE SINGLE PROFESSIONAL advantage the MacBook has? I'm confused about that. :cool:

Its a professional OSX laptop.

If you find a windows laptop you consider more professional then by all means buy it. I for one consider mine to be a pro laptop.

[TommyLee]

Its a professional OSX laptop.There is nothing "PRO" about MacBook Pro

[xoggyux]

The MBP is a fashion statement just as Ipod, MBP, Iphone, etc. Therefore is not good value for money, in fact it worth about 2,000. while you can get the same stats for nearly half the price (2.0-2.4 Ghz, 2Gb RAM, 256mb Video from Geforce 8600 or better and 200gb HDD.) However, i do recognize that MPB's quality is way over most of the equivalent PC's laptops, and whatever is missing in performance figures compared to the equivalent PC laptop, it gets it back from the better performance of leopard over vista.
Anyway if you really want something "PRO" as you said it, then you are looking in the wrong direction, every single company (DELL, HP, etc) could tell you they make the best "PRO" laptop, but the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing, if you really want HARDCORE PRO then you have to go to DESKTOP workstations, and in that area you can make configurations like:

Two 3.2GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
32GB (8x4GB)
Mac Pro RAID Card
300GB 15,000-rpm SAS
300GB 15,000-rpm SAS
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB
Two 16x SuperDrives
Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel)
Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel)
Apple Wireless Mighty Mouse
Apple Wireless Keyboard (English) + User's Guide
Apple USB Modem
Quad Channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI Express Card


Notice the 32gb RAM, pretty cool eh? HP just offers 8gb tops :(, so does velocity micro, and DELL just 6gb.
which im pretty sure it will satisfy your "PRO" deffinition, however is about 25,000 dollars :(
The point is, if you really need PRO, then do what PROs do, get a very expensive desktop system and a crappy $500 to screw around when you are out of home or work or wherever the PRO system is at.

[darngooddesign]

There is nothing "PRO" about MacBook Pro

I explained earlier how your reasoning was weak.

I consider it a pro OSX laptop.

[TommyLee]

i have no idea what kind of a professional you are talking about,

The professionals Mac users USED TO BE before the iPod/iPhone craze.

Designers
Producers
Audio Engineers
Photographers
Composers
Film Editors
Arrangers


Apple was down the drain and the birth of the iPod saved it (thank God) but it brought a whole new clientel of crazy music fans with it into our computing world. "Go find me a laptop that doesn't cost a small fortune, and that doesn't have the form factor of a brick." NOBODY CARED what the Mac looked like. It make MOVIE and RECORDS and MAGAZINES- virtually, every professional in the entertainment industry... TODAY: There's nothing entertaining about you guys. Not even a sense of humor. "omg, he posted crazy pics of the Leave Britney Alone guy, just milliseconds after I crafted my articulted post of whoopdie-friken-doo"

You guys aren't Mac users... You guys are tag alongs.

hi, it's me again.and nobody's still cares :o

[.Andy]

You guys aren't Mac users... You guys are tag alongs.
You say this like it's a negative.

[TommyLee]

You say this like it's a negative.not all of you.
just people who are like, "this is so pretty. ill take 2". It's like:

ME: Hi, macbook pro isn't pro.
SYSTEM_004: I FIND YOUR LOGIC INVALID. TRY AGAIN.
ME: Uhhh, macbook pro isn't pro?
SYSTEM_004: I FIND YOUR LOGIC INVALID. TRY AGAIN.
ME: okay, Macbook...
SYSTEM_004: I FIND YOUR LOGIC INVALID. TRY AGAIN.
ME: I was merely...
SYSTEM_004: I FIND YOUR LOGIC INVALID. TRY AGAIN.
ME:
SYSTEM_004: I FIND YOUR LOGIC INVALID. TRY AGAIN!!!
SYSTEM_004: I FIND YOUR LOGIC INVALID. TRY AGAIN!!!
SYSTEM_004: I FIND YOUR LOGIC INVALID. TRY AGAIN!!!


Yea sure, you can find holes in my theory, anyone can if they look hard enough- but you can't prove your theory.

[darngooddesign]

and nobody's still listening :o

I'm a web designer, print designer and AS3 programmer. I consider it a pro laptop.

[NT1440]

The professionals Mac users USED TO BE before the iPod/iPhone craze.
Designers
Producers
Audio Engineers
Photographers
Composers
Film Editors
Arrangers

Apple was down the drain, that is, before the iPod. And it dragged crazy music fans into our computing world. "Go find me a laptop that doesn't cost a small fortune, and that doesn't have the form factor of a brick." NOBODY CARED what the Mac looked like. It make MOVIE and RECORDS and MAGAZINES- virtually, every professional in the entertainment industry... TODAY: There's nothing entertaining about you guys. Not even a sense of humor. "omg, he posted crazy pics of the Leave Britney Alone guy, just milliseconds after I crafted my articulted post of whoopdie-friken-doo"

You guys aren't Mac users... You guys are tag alongs.

and nobody's still listening :o

Theres one of them elitist macheads we hear about.....


no one cared about what the products looked like before the ipods??

http://www.designedinca.com/images/128/imacblueberry.jpg
http://www.designedinca.com/images/128/pmg4graphite.jpg
http://www.designedinca.com/images/128/ibookblueberrytangerine.jpg

http://www.designedinca.com/images/128/acd22.jpg

edit: ok these mus be some wierd links or something because the pictures keep changing....

the point is that apple has been an image conscious company well before the ipod.

[Luftwaffles]

I'm sure when Apple was designing the MacBook Pro, they decided to leave uber-fast 16GB DDR9 RAM out of the picture for a good reason. I'm sure they decided to leave obscenely-expensive Blu-Ray drives out of the picture for a good reason. I'm sure they decided to leave right-clicking out for a reason. I'm sure they decided to leave high-level desktop-oriented GeForce 8800+ cards on the sidelines for a reason.

The reason? Among the many professionals that Apple caters to and has been loyally serving for the last 30 years, professional gamers are at the bottom of the list.

Anyone who takes their work seriously will put more into their business than a $2000 laptop. You are NOT a professional just because you have a copy of Photoshop and a digital camera.

[TommyLee]

I'm a web designer, print designer and AS3 programmer. I consider it a pro laptop.to an amatuer, this would seem pro. http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6946/clamshellibookg3tm7.jpg

[Shawn Parr]

and L/R balanced i/o.


Yeah, because I want to plug serious audio equipment via analog into a machine with a crappy power supply and likely inadequate shielding between the audio circuits and other digital circuits within the machine.

Macbook and Macbook Pro have not only those silly little 1/8" jacks, but hidden behind them are TOSLINK compatible optical jacks. Then I can choose whatever convertor I want to get into it. Of course that is for stereo/2 channel only. But let's assume you need high quality 2 channel. Get a Rosetta, or a Cranesong, or a Mytek, or a bunch of other convertors with either a TOSLINK card, or a transceiver to convert SPDIF/AES to TOSLINK.

Of course most people getting into good audio conversion probably want more than 2 channels, so they are going to use that Firewire.

[TommyLee]

Of course most people getting into good audio conversion probably want more than 2 channels, so they are going to use that Firewire.

What FireWire (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=583377)?

[darngooddesign]

to an amatuer, this would seem pro. http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6946/clamshellibookg3tm7.jpg

I don't consider that professional.

[Shawn Parr]

What FireWire (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=583377)?

Huh, my MBP has firewire on it. Did you get a Late 2008 MBP without it? You might want to return that.

[darngooddesign]

What FireWire (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=583377)?

The firewire in the MacBook Pro, not the MacBook.

[xXriderXx7]

I find it funny to see how easy some people think it is to argue over the internet. The OP surely wouldnt be so harsh and cruel if he was standing face to face with his opponent.

And as to the OP's complaints: No one is forcing you to buy the machine. If you dont feel satisfied by the laptop, dont purchase. Simple. And if you still want to stand by your claims, sue Apple for false advertising; we will all see how far that gets you.

[Blue Velvet]

It's the best laptop that Apple makes. The 'Pro' name is just a marketing term... those of us who want to keep using Apple laptops and want one that's a bit more kitted out than the MacBook have little choice.

This thread is pointless semantics. And yea, I'm a pro. My reasons to do with buying a laptop to use with an external display and keyboard are my own.

[QuarterSwede]

It's the best laptop that Apple makes. The 'Pro' name is just a marketing term... those of us who want to keep using Apple laptops and want one that's a bit more kitted out than the MacBook have little choice.

This thread is pointless semantics. And yea, I'm a pro. My reasons to do with buying a laptop to use with an external display and keyboard are my own.
Exactly. A pro can use any computer out there and get the same results. Why, because they have the skill to do so. Just as a great photographer can use a crappy polaroid camera and still take fantastic shots.

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

This thread is not Pro, I want the last thirty seconds of my life back.

[jonbravo77]

I'm curious. What makes you a Pro TommyLee? I mean, I do Corporate Audio/Visual for a living. Managed very large shows for some of the top Companies in the world. And I do believe to a certain level that my MBP (which is a 2007 model) is a professional machine. I couldn't do half the stuff I do in my industry with just a regular MB.

Now, I do wish they didn't make the video out a MDP. But, that is hardly a reason for me to not consider it a Pro machine. For a laptop, the MBP stand on their own. And if you think that HP that boasts a battery life of 24 hours is true, well good for you. I'd like to see what the battery life will be in a month being a Windows machine and all.

Sorry, but your argument that the MBP is not a "Pro" machine just doesn't hold a lot of water. It's a laptop, and as laptops go yes the system that is the MBp is a "Pro" machine. If you want an absolute true "Pro" machine you will need to get a desktop.

IMHO :)

[173080]

I have to agree about the glossy screen and the GeForce. A matte screen is a must, and a Quadro card would have been nice for CAD.

[Mackilroy]

If you don't agree with TommyLee you're a troll and a bigot and dumb. :D

The MacBook Pro is certainly more 'Pro' than my MacBook, with the extra features and more power it includes.

[darngooddesign]

A matte screen is a must...

A matte screen might be something you want, but it is not a must.

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

If you don't agree with TommyLee you're a troll and a bigot and dumb. :D

The MacBook Pro is certainly more 'Pro' than my MacBook, with the extra features and more power it includes.

How so???

[macbook123]

Given the writing style, the OP must be <10 years old, which entails he/she joined macrumors at <6, which is impressive indeed.

[paolo-]

Put a little piece of tape on the pro (Gaffer's tape would seem professional). And you'll be all set... You'll probably even been able to snob off other professionals be kicking in style with your recreational 15" MacBook.

[cg165]

So you just decided to waste my time trolling my thread and not providing ONE SINGLE PROFESSIONAL advantage the MacBook has? I'm confused about that. :cool:

1.) Portability (thinnest 15" notebook with this power)
2.) Firewire 800
3.) SSD option
4.) Bootcamp
5.) Multitouch trackpad
6.) Excellent customer support
7.) High resolution output / multiple display support
8.) Longer lifetime than similar specced pc

I think that's enough reasons. Also, your argument was that it isn't professional and then you go on to say you own one. Does this mean you aren't a professional and thought you would just complain about it? Does this mean you are a professional but had no idea what the machine had before you bought it and just blindly purchased it?

I knew exactly what this machine had before I bought it and it fit my needs. Why would you come to a macrumors site posting all of the reasons you don't think it's pro and own one. I guess the only reason I responded was because you were right, I didn't give any reason to my argument. Your original post is also flawed.

I'm totally lost at the reasoning for your post. What are you trying to accomplish with saying "it isn't pro"? Even if everyone in this thread agreed with you, it wouldn't change anything. Why buy from any company if you aren't getting what you're after? If you like that HP, just buy that one and be done with it.

[rychencop]

This thread is long over due.

There is nothing "Pro" about this machine.
To me, if you're going to say a computer is for "Professional", there better be at least 2 Hard Drives, 4 USB ports, 2 firewire ports, VGA & DVI outputs and L/R balanced i/o.

excessive heat is not "Pro"
weird noises coming from both the cpu and the screen is not "Pro"
WOW! Cool lights under the keys. :rolleyes: Nope. Not "Pro".
speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"
Have you ever opened one of these things up? It's got a subwoofer, lol! WHO CARES?! :eek:
5 hour battery life is NOT Pro. BUT THIS IS (http://www.notebooks.com/2008/09/17/hp-elitebook-6930p-24-hours-of-battery-life-on-a-single-charge/)
no 3g, no Blue-Ray, no svideo is not "Pro"
no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO! Glossy screens ARE NOT PRO!!! Ask ANY photographer is the world.
NVIDIA GeForce is for Pro's Amateurs.
no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click :(


Do MacBook Pro's suck? I love mine.
I'm sorry, but the Macbook Pro is not Pro at all. It's just a pretty pc. Maybe if the screen would swivel like those old iMacs...

Grrrreatest Post Ever!

wow! you knew all this before you bought it, yet you still bought it. you are obviously not a pro.

[Chaos123x]

I think Apple definition of Pro with laptops is...

It can run Final Cut Studio.

The older Macbooks could not because they had crappy intel graphics, and the newer ones can't cause there is no firewire or express port to load video.

[sal]

I am a video editor and have the new macbook pro. fulfills all my pro needs.

1) when rendering, the heat is no cause for concern. stays under 80c
2) no weird noises coming out of my laptop.
3) lights under keys? who cares, you can turn it off
4) a pro doesn't rely on laptop speakers. I use a good pair of headphones.
5) 5 hours battery? you got me there. I would like more battery life to make it a truly portable-editing-laptop. Would be nice if I could get 10 hours of editing done without having to recharge.


I think Apple definition of Pro with laptops is...

It can run Final Cut Studio.

The older Macbooks could not because they had crappy intel graphics, and the newer ones can't cause there is no firewire or express port to load video.

I like this post. very interesting observation.

[daneoni]

Wake up and smell the coffee all computer manufacturers are making consumer centric machines i.e. shiny/glossy is in. If you want a 'Pro' laptop go to the one manufacturer that still arguably makes one...Lenovo

The MBP is a Pro laptop as far as Apple is concerned...it runs all their professional apps. End of story. Everything else...such as it doesn't iron my clothes, make me toast for breakfast or pickup a chick in the bar is aesthetics/personal preference

[7even]

Those complaining about battery life.. my last 15.4" "pro machine" Thinkpad did probably 2:45 tops, with the extended battery. Yeah. That was just before Penryn came out though.

[butterfly0fdoom]

This thread is long over due.

Clearly, you need to get your eyesight checked.

To me, if you're going to say a computer is for "Professional", there better be at least 2 Hard Drives, 4 USB ports, 2 firewire ports, VGA & DVI outputs and L/R balanced i/o.

If you want said laptop to not break your legs, then sure.


[QUOTE=TommyLee;6748530] excessive heat is not "Pro"
Not a universal issue, and all laptops have heat. My old ThinkPad had heat problems.
weird noises coming from both the cpu and the screen is not "Pro"
Again, not a universal problem. It's a Rev. A product. Unless you haven't been following Apple releases for a while, you really shouldn't be surprised.
WOW! Cool lights under the keys. :rolleyes: Nope. Not "Pro".
Not everyone always has perfect lighting conditions.
speakers that point to the sky are not "Pro"
If you were a "pro", you probably would be using external speakers or headphones anyway.
Have you ever opened one of these things up? It's got a subwoofer, lol! WHO CARES?! :eek:
It's nice to have. For those that actually use the internal speaker system.
5 hour battery life is NOT Pro. BUT THIS IS (http://www.notebooks.com/2008/09/17/hp-elitebook-6930p-24-hours-of-battery-life-on-a-single-charge/)
5 hours is perfectly normal for a pro laptop. If you want 24 hours of battery life, you're really in a different demographic.
no 3g, no Blue-Ray, no svideo is not "Pro"
If the MBP were offered with 3G, it would probably be AT&T and then people would complain about more Macs being chained to AT&T. BD doesn't have many professional applications, especially in a notebook. Who the hell stull uses S-Video?
no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO! Glossy screens ARE NOT PRO!!! Ask ANY photographer is the world.
If you were a pro, you probably would have an external monitor to do final editing work on anyway. Glossy works fine in a pinch.
NVIDIA GeForce is for Pro's Amateurs.
And what's the basis for that?
no mouse click button is not "Pro"... in fact, i was hoping for a right click :(
There is a right click. Pick a corner or use two fingers. No buttons = more useable space for tracking. I'd say that's more pro, actually.

Do MacBook Pro's suck? I love mine.
Then what's the point of this thread?
I'm sorry, but the Macbook Pro is not Pro at all. It's just a pretty pc. Maybe if the screen would swivel like those old iMacs...
And here I think you make it pretty obvious that you're not pro. So I will now take your arguments as the bickering of an amateur that thinks he's a pro. I mean, just look at your username.

Grrrreatest Post Ever!
Maybe on the list of time wasters. But thank goodness I'm actually looking for reasons to procrastinate.

[G.T.]

Seriously! This is rubbish. I know a gloss screen it not as good but any serious photographer should use an external monitor. I admit it is nice to edit "on the road" but laptop screens do not usually compare to experience of a proper monitor. I have the gloss screen MBP and I don't think that the colours are not as saturated as everyone was saying. A bit of calibrating will be fine, but like I said get an external screen!

[drichards]

This post began at fail.

[xUKHCx]

If you have to say you are great then it is not the case.

Been there done that and I think Threadless will be coming out a t-shirt soon.