Quake 3 Demo for osx? [Archive]

bousozoku

Mar 1, 2004, 02:08 PM

Here's a link to the retail version that can be converted to run on Mac OS X with an updater: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005RHQZ/ref=pd_sim_vg_1//104-8336376-3831103?v=glance&s=videogames&n=468642

I don't know about trying to use an updater to convert the demo at FilePlanet but apparently Doraemon has fully tested this and knows.

jeffy.dee-lux

Mar 1, 2004, 03:19 PM

Get the full version. Problem solved.

but... but... that's not FREE

whine whine whine

seriously though, is there a limit to how much memory an app can use through classic? why is performance hampered when running something through classic

bousozoku

Mar 1, 2004, 03:36 PM

but... but... that's not FREE

whine whine whine

seriously though, is there a limit to how much memory an app can use through classic? why is performance hampered when running something through classic

It's not free but it does work. I'm not sure about just removing the extra pieces that came with the retail package and using the remainder. That might work. I think the pak0.pk3 file is the main difference. It's still over 20 MB before compression and that's a lot to send.

The Classic environment makes Mac OS X into a host for Mac OS 9.x and so, you're running one layer for each operating system. Mac OS 9.x takes time to do its job and then, it has to be translated into something that Mac OS X can finally use. That is a lot of processing that the computer would normally be using just to run the game.

Hemingray

Mar 1, 2004, 07:02 PM

but... but... that's not FREE

whine whine whine

Get Quake III Arena Gold. It's worth it for the Kamikaze bomb alone. :p

I went for two years w/o buying the full Q3A. But now that I have it, it's paid for itself time and again! If you want Q3A for some serious fragging, buy the retail version. If you're just gonna use it casually, then nevermind. :)

Ahh how I miss the days of dink.cfg... :D

LoadRunner

Mar 1, 2004, 10:52 PM

You might be able to find the linux box at a store near you, that usually sells for ten. But seriously buy the game. You won't regret it. The game has learning curve, but it's quite rewarding.

Other wise you can try down loading the demo, and point release 1.32 B.
Install the demo, install 1.32 B and then copy the pack*.pk3 files from the demo's baseq3 folder into the point release 1.32 B's baseq3 folder.

But why go through all that trouble, with a legal copy you'll be able to run all the mods, and play online with a billions of other people.

www.quake3world.com <-- check out the cool mac forum.

neoelectronaut

Mar 4, 2004, 09:07 PM

The only Q3 I can find in stores is the jewel case version of the PC version. *sigh*. :(

bousozoku

Mar 4, 2004, 10:19 PM

The only Q3 I can find in stores is the jewel case version of the PC version. *sigh*. :(

Apparently, amazon.com is still selling the Gold package. That's the link I posted earlier. I've heard they deliver. :p

louis1979

Mar 23, 2004, 06:54 AM

There is no demo for OS X. Only OS 9.

The OS X patch only works with the full version of Q3A.

I downloaded the patch v1.32 for quake3 arena to play on osx, but to my dismay it hasn't worked. Instead i get the ID logo at the beginning but then I get a blank white screen.
I believe that i have got it to run through OSX b4 but i then deleted all my quake files and reinstalled recently. Please can you advise me on what to do?

Louis

vaaleron

Mar 26, 2004, 09:46 AM

ok i got it to sort of run by installing the demo on my PC then copying over the demoq3 folder, but just the pak0 file didn't work, I had to copy the files from the OSX version patch from baseq3, then the game can be started up but its kind of glitchy and loooks like metal gear solid vr 'cuz of the missing textures :confused: I think they changed the texmap names when they made the full version (I have the quake 1.32 patch, os-x.3, the full ver of quake 3 that I couldn't install b/c it was the PC version but I copied the baseq3 folder to the hard drive then the patch was OK with installing onto it and it worked. I'm going to try to figure out how to make it work without the orig disc that I found then post again :(

Dink

Jun 29, 2004, 05:27 PM

Get Quake III Arena Gold. It's worth it for the Kamikaze bomb alone. :p

I went for two years w/o buying the full Q3A. But now that I have it, it's paid for itself time and again! If you want Q3A for some serious fragging, buy the retail version. If you're just gonna use it casually, then nevermind. :)

Ahh how I miss the days of dink.cfg... :D

LOL!!! I still have dink.cfg online and people DL it all the time. Long live dink.cfg!! :D

Ninja_Turtle

Jun 29, 2004, 08:49 PM

i was looking for the quake 3 demo for osx but cant seem to find it. im staring to think they don't have one. i was sondering if someone could point me in the right direction.
thanx,
pyro

what you can do is get the demo, and get the os x patch then delete the os9 q3 application and then put the osx patch were the os9 app was, leaving the baseq3 folder intact...the game should run the demo but on osx, if it doesnt work...just boot up from os9 :D

neoelectronaut

Jun 29, 2004, 09:24 PM

Ninja_Turtle

Jul 2, 2004, 01:34 AM

The whole point of this topic is that not everyone CAN boot into OS9.

whoops...my bad...must've past my mind... :p

nagromme

Jul 28, 2004, 06:38 AM

what you can do is get the demo, and get the os x patch then delete the os9 q3 application and then put the osx patch were the os9 app was, leaving the baseq3 folder intact...the game should run the demo but on osx, if it doesnt work...just boot up from os9 :D

My AlBook 1.25 can't boot 9 :) Does anyone actually have the Q3 demo running in X?

I have the demo--which is a psychedelic nightmare in Classic--and I downloaded the Q3 OSX 1.3.2 patch (latest one, from MacGameFiles.com). I put the new OS X app (actually, a G4 and a non-G4 flavor) in the demo folder, but it doesn't work--it gives an error about locating your Quake 3 installation, and then unexpectedly quits.

Then I tried renaming the demoq3 folder to "baseq3" and that removed the error message... but it still unexpectedly quits. No game. Lastly, I tried putting the patch's baseq3 folder in the demo folder, along WITH the demoq3 folder. Both present. Then I got the error message back--and the same old quit.

Is there an OS X-native solution?

Alternatively... any tips for making the demo run in Classic without being a scrambled mess? (So bad you can't even read the menus to quit.) I dumped the demo's config file to start fresh, but it didn't help.

I'm thinking of buying Q3A to play on LAN against friends with older Macs. But I want to see it first-hand on my AlBook first, if possible. (Then again, Q3 seems to still sell for the price of a brand-new game--I don't trust used, and even the best used price I see is $20. The Gold Edition sells for $40 used, right on up to $60! I probably can't stomach that cost for such an old game.)

Thanks for any leads!

Doraemon

Jul 28, 2004, 06:52 AM

Mind that the Gold version is hybrid.

Therefore, you can grab a PC copy as well.

As for the used copies for $60...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8120283225&rd=1
It's $25.

If you're in the UK (or willing to pay P&P to the US) you can get it for £14.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27234&item=8121004054&rd=1

mkaake

Jul 28, 2004, 07:22 AM

since it's bundled with the pc version, would it be wrong to assume it plays nice with the PC version?

applekid

Jul 28, 2004, 08:32 AM

A few things to straighten out:

The demo is OS 9 only. Q3A was out since the OS 9 days.

Quake 3 Arena Gold is a hybrid disc indeed.

There is full compatibility between the Mac and PC versions for networking and mods.

The demo ran fine in Classic, I think. I remember my friend coming over once and he wanted to play Quake 3. So I downloaded the demo, loaded Classic, and it played alright. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it played pretty smoothly.

neoelectronaut

Jul 28, 2004, 10:15 AM

Go to Wal-Mart or CompUSA and look in their Jewelcase game section. Usually you can find the PC version of Q3A for $10. You can use that to play on your Mac. Heck, it worked for me.

nagromme

Jul 28, 2004, 10:27 AM

Doraemon

Jul 28, 2004, 11:06 AM

No.
Or rather: not quite.

A hybrid CD has both Mac and PC version of the game on the same disc.

Hence, you have a MacOS (classic) installer. Install it (dead simple), patch it (all very well documented) with the OS X patch and enjoy!

nagromme

Jul 28, 2004, 12:04 PM

A hybrid CD has both Mac and PC version of the game on the same disc.

He's talking about buying the PC-only disc (cheap, jewel-boxed) and then using those files (plus the OS X patch, nothing more?) to play on Mac. I never heard of that with Q3, but I've heard of doing it with other games, like the PC version of Freespace plus the Mac OS X patch.

neoelectronaut

Jul 28, 2004, 12:08 PM

Cool... In other words, I need the PC Quake3 CD, plus the downloaded OS X patch 1.3.2? Any tricks to making that work? Just drag everything off the CD, plus the OS X patch files/app?

Sounds like a good option for bargain-hunting. Anything you "miss" that way?

(The demo doesn't run for me in Panther/Radeon Mobility 9600. Not sure why, but the graphics are severely scrambled. I suppose the retail game might do the same... anyone out there running Q3 in Panther on a 15" AlBook?)

More or less, correct. Download the Mac OS X 1.32 Patch for Q3, and install it. It should make a folder on your computer for Quake3. Inside that folder will be a folder called "baseq3". And inside it will be contained one file. "pak0.pk3" Now, insert your PC Q3A CD, and look in the baseq3 folder on there, and copy "pak1.pk3" through "pak8.pk3" into the baseq3 folder in the q3 folder on your HD.

Launch the program, and you're set.

Make sense?

And here, if you don't mind buying online:

CompUSA: Quake III Arena, Jewel Case Only (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=313828)

And no, you're not missing a damn thing that way.

SleazyBreezy

Jul 28, 2004, 03:23 PM

Now, insert your PC Q3A CD, and look in the baseq3 folder on there, and copy "pak1.pk3" through "pak8.pk3" into the baseq3 folder in the q3 folder on your HD.

I was going to take the same route with Quake 3, by buying the current $10.00 jewel-case version for PC. It's safe to say then that the .pk3 files are not compressed while on the CD-ROM?

nagromme

Jul 28, 2004, 06:14 PM

Thanks--very good thoughts!

I am leaning towards the PC jewel case version, and forget about Team Arena :) I do have UT2k4 after all...

And there are supposed to be Mac editing tools out there for Q3A, which is a big incentive for me... Are they pretty good tools (GtkRadiant?), or are they rough and buggy and poorly documented? (I'd try either way... I made some Descent 3 maps with rather buggy tools!)

applekid

Jul 28, 2004, 06:30 PM

And there are supposed to be Mac editing tools out there for Q3A, which is a big incentive for me... Are they pretty good tools (GtkRadiant?), or are they rough and buggy and poorly documented? (I'd try either way... I made some Descent 3 maps with rather buggy tools!)

That is indeed available (GtkRadiant). Do a search, you'll find it. I'm to lazy to give you a link. ;)

neoelectronaut

Jul 28, 2004, 07:29 PM

I was going to take the same route with Quake 3, by buying the current $10.00 jewel-case version for PC. It's safe to say then that the .pk3 files are not compressed while on the CD-ROM?

Correct.

Here, I've attached visual aid.

On the Quake3 CD, there is a folder called, well, Quake3. In that folder is the baseq3 folder, and within the baseq3 folder are the .pk3 files you want.

nagromme

Jul 28, 2004, 11:00 PM

Very helpful, thanks! I've saved your info and screenshot for reference.

And I'm not even taking money away from a Mac publisher... it's all Id I think. I do believe I'll order two PC CDs, for myself and a friend to play on LAN. He has a Smurf Tower so an "old" game is ideal.

I had GTkRadiant bookmarked, if anyone's curious... I haven't tried it but I will someday:

http://www.qeradiant.com/wikifaq/index.php?Installation%20on%20OSX

http://www.qeradiant.com/manual/

I'm not sure if it needs Fink still or if some versions are X-native without that... I'm not even sure what the newest Radiant version is, but that site probably has all the details.

neoelectronaut

Jul 28, 2004, 11:30 PM

I actually downloaded that and started in to install it, when I realized that it's probably way too difficult so I aborted.

nagromme

Jul 28, 2004, 11:37 PM

That's what I'm afraid of, but I still want to try it. I braved D3Edit (Descent 3) in Virtual PC... talk about a flaky editor!

This all raises a second question:

Can the Windows-only CD be used on an OS 9-only Mac? My friend's 350 Mhz G3 doesn't have OS X. Is there a 1.3.2 patch for OS 9 that I can use the same way as the X patch, to get Quake running in 9 from the PC CD?

neoelectronaut

Jul 28, 2004, 11:40 PM

Oh jeez....I'm actually not really sure. I say don't buy both CDs. Just buy one, and try to find a method for it to work in OS 9. If it doesn't work, at least you have a copy for yourself, and not a second one that won't be used.

nagromme

Jul 28, 2004, 11:47 PM

Alternatively... how well would Q3A run in OS X on a 350 MHz G3 / RAGE 128? Maybe he should take the OS X plunge. He may even have 10.1 already (the Q3A patch needs 10.0+), although he seldom boots it.

In my experience, native gaming is about the same speed in X vs. 9... but then again I have a newer Mac. How would an older OS X game (oxymoron?) run on a Smurf Tower?

I've found a good price with free shipping, so I'm tempted to get two copies and hope for a solution later.

(Less-vital Q:... if I also get the PC "Team Arena" add-on, will that work on Mac? System requirements say Win-only. I know it exists for Mac too, but the PC version's cheap :) )

neoelectronaut

Jul 29, 2004, 09:28 AM

350mhz and a Rage 128 is more or less the bare minimum he can probably get by with. The official requirements say 266mhz G3 and Rage Pro, but that's more or less going to just let you boot the game up.

Anywho, he should be able to play it, but don't expect any special effects. :P Tell him to download the demo and try that out.

nagromme

Jul 29, 2004, 09:38 AM

Yeah, he has the demo (OS 9) and it's fine... but there seems to be no way to try the demo in X. That's the question mark, really. My own older Mac couldn't play games at ALL in X because the video board had no X drivers. But Rage 128 does.

I should get him to try the UT99 OS X patch as a performance test.

LoadRunner

Jul 29, 2004, 10:28 PM

If you ahve nay trouble installing, q3w has a step by step installation guide for q3a on os x. http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/004500.html?

nagromme

Jul 30, 2004, 01:41 AM

Thanks--looks like a helpful FAQ. Bookmarked.

I see that VT has the latest QtkRadiant editor--looks pretty good:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24076

TDM21

Jul 30, 2004, 04:59 PM

Thanks--looks like a helpful FAQ. Bookmarked.

I see that VT has the latest QtkRadiant editor--looks pretty good:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24076

Dont forget the best tutorial for installing GTKRadiant for mac (it has to be compiled and all that fun stuff)

Radiant OSX tutorial (http://homepage.mac.com/dynamiteiv/)