PowerMac G5 Updates - March 23rd?

[Sped]

There is no hope for NAB...

Looks like we're waiting until WWDC...

I don't understand why speed bumped computers need to be introduced. Why can't Apple release new speed bumped computers just during the week? Although they do tend to announce new product at events, Apple by no means releases updates exclusively at large events. If the PB / 'book line is only being updated, I don't see why new product can't be released any day.

[Soire]

I don't usually make predictions, because I don't like to be wrong. But what the heck?

Therefore I predict at least one of the following will be updated at NAB in just one week from now:

1) Power Mac G5s
2) iPods
3) Final Cut Pro

And yes, I have inside information which consists of a little voice inside me.
;)

[neonart]

EDITED--- Double post sorry.

[neonart]

Over 1000 posts in this pathetic thread! How lame are we!?

I hope NAB brings something. Even if it's revamped iSights or something.

This year sucks compared to last year around the same time :(

[Downdivx]

I don't usually make predictions, because I don't like to be wrong. But what the heck?

Therefore I predict at least one of the following will be updated at NAB in just one week from now:

1) Power Mac G5s
2) iPods
3) Final Cut Pro

And yes, I have inside information which consists of a little voice inside me.
;)

My humble preditiction:
1. Shake (to include a X-grid like distributed render farm but not requiring dedicated computers)
2. FCP (4.5?)
3. Maybe PM G5s
However, not necessarily one week from today - just sometime during NAB.
Apple isn't presenting, so they could open their booth any day with new releases.

iSights are definately NOT broadcast equipment, so I wouldn't hope for new ones at NAB (certainly possible during NAB, but not AT NAB)

W

[neonart]

...iSights are definately NOT broadcast equipment, so I wouldn't hope for new ones at NAB (certainly possible during NAB, but not AT NAB)

W

:) I was being sarcastic.

Imagine that... "We proudly introduce... the new iSight. Now available in 5 colors! Ebidy,ebidy,ebidy... that's all folks!"

[invaLPsion]

This year sucks compared to last year around the same time :(

Yep.......

Yep.......

Double yep........

Steve Jobs has to shut his mouth more often then he wouldn't let things slip like "this is going to be a great anniversary year."

Well, Mr. Jobs, this is worse than the "year of the laptop."

And that's saying something... :(

[Duff-Man]

Steve Jobs has to shut his mouth more often then he wouldn't let things slip like "this is going to be a great anniversary year."

Well, Mr. Jobs, this is worse than the "year of the laptop."Duff-Man says.....I wish people would stop writing off the whole year when there is still almost 3/4 of it left to go. If we get to the end of December and there has no been any "great new stuff" then go ahead and complain. Sure, the first 3 months of this year have been slow on the computer front - hell, I am waiting to buy too but you are blasting Jobs for his "hyperbole" when you are really no better by basing your criticism of a whole year when we are only 1/4 into it....chill....you'll get your faster G5 and so will I......oh yeah!

[invaLPsion]

Duff-Man says.....chill....you'll get your faster G5 and so will I......oh yeah!

Yeah, at WWDC.

Oh, and after a 2-3 month shipping delay because they don't have enough aluminum for the cases...

[wdlove]

My humble prediction:
1. Shake (to include a X-grid like distributed render farm but not requiring dedicated computers)
2. FCP (4.5?)
3. Maybe PM G5s
However, not necessarily one week from today - just sometime during NAB.
Apple isn't presenting, so they could open their booth any day with new releases.

W

If true that Apple isn't presenting, then it makes it very unlikely that anything major will be announced. Only items relevant to the professionals at NAB.

[Downdivx]

If true that Apple isn't presenting, then it makes it very unlikely that anything major will be announced. Only items relevant to the professionals at NAB.


I should probably clarify that. They are not a presenter for NAB, they are not giving a NAB presentation. They can still rent a room in the Hotel Convention center and invite the media (like they have on Sunday afternoon) and present new software/hardware. But no "NAB Presentations". Sorry for any confusion.

It seems to me that a NAB presentation would indicate a product that has been in the pipeline for a while and has been planned for NAB for a while. That isn't what this rumor is about. This is about a news conference that Apple has pulled together in the past couple of weeks.

W

[Frobozz]

Mac Rand

You seem to try and make excuses for the pricing on Apple products which is fine. If you wan't to pay the price you can. If you want proof of high pricing policy just look at the Apple store websight. Apple is selling brand new G4 1.25 gig Power Macs for almost 2000 dollars! These unit have old boards, slower memory, slower processors etc. And the technology in them is well over two years old. PC's had these components in them over 3 1/2 years ago. By Apple's own claims they are over 3 times slower than the G5 machines. How much have these components come down in cost? I would bet over 75%. I'm sure you will try to justify this as well!

Well, let's be fair. The ACTUAL reason why those prices are high is because they boot into OS 9 and Apple doesn't want you to be able to do that anymore.

[.a]

... apple should better hurry up ... other systems are quite fast ... hmmm ... check these cinebench statistics
.a

[mattmack]

History shows NAB is boring unless your one of those guys so i would say WWDC unless Apple changes its way which i doubt. Dont expect Hardware news it will be all software. my 2 centsI think you are righ there will be only application announcments at the NAB show. It is more than likely that we will see massive amounts of upgrades at WWDC. Jobs likes to be a showman and that is where he will be in his glory.

[.a]

I think you are righ there will be only application announcments at the NAB show. It is more than likely that we will see massive amounts of upgrades at WWDC. Jobs likes to be a showman and that is where he will be in his glory.

hi mattmack ... looks like we have same old dual 450 powermac ... waiting for g5 rev.b is quite boring ... well, right now i check out a good raid system to get everything out of my old pm ... you're going to buy g5 rev.b, too?
.a

[ffakr]

Mac Rand

You seem to try and make excuses for the pricing on Apple products which is fine. If you wan't to pay the price you can. If you want proof of high pricing policy just look at the Apple store websight. Apple is selling brand new G4 1.25 gig Power Macs for almost 2000 dollars! These unit have old boards, slower memory, slower processors etc. And the technology in them is well over two years old. PC's had these components in them over 3 1/2 years ago. By Apple's own claims they are over 3 times slower than the G5 machines. How much have these components come down in cost? I would bet over 75%. I'm sure you will try to justify this as well!

by my calculations, 3 1/2 years ago would be roughly the end of 2000. The G4 and Athlon (and I believe the PIII) were introduced in late 1999. I'm having trouble finding release dates for old Athlons but the hardware sites were reviewing the 700-800MHz Athlon Thunderbirds back in July of 2000.
So, a dual 1.25 GHz with a Radeon 9000, 80GB HD, and Combo drive is equivalent to whatever a sub-700MHz (maybe 600MHz in late 2000?) Athlon was shipping with?

Just to be fair.. the only people who buy the G4 towers anymore are educational institutions who have a lot of infrastructure built around OS 9.. and aren't ready to move to OS X. EDU institutional pricing for the G4 tower runs between $1200 (single) up to $1,761 for a dual with superdrive (BTW.. DVD-R didn't exist 3 1/2 years ago)

Now, notice that I'm not arguing that the G4 isn't overpriced. It is, however, a VERY low margin machine that is currently only being marketed to people who can't, for one reason or another, migrate to OS X right now. With the help of groups like http://www.macosxlabs.org the number of potential G4 tower customers is very small indeed.

Your conjecture that the components in the G4 should be 75% off now is also silly. Some components have come down quite a bit (but not 3/4s). 80 GB drives are very cheap.. optical drives are very cheap..
Other components haven't come down, and they are probably MORE expensive for Apple since the volumes have decreased quite a bit. I'd expect that Apple probably pays more for the short runs of the motherboards and system chips now than in the past. Apple probably pays about the same for the G4s since Motorola charges whatever they want.. Even the Radeon 9000 is a discontinued chip so who knows were Apple is getting those from.

Now, before I log out.. you may be thinking.. but older PC parts are so cheap! This guy must be talking out his butt. The exceedingly important fact to remember is that PC components become obsolete and large unsold stock of parts eventually get liquidated. This is why I can buy a KT266, or an Intel 845 motherboard for $30 new (well, old but previously un-sold). Apple doesn't have 20 companies making their motherboards hoping that Apple will take the old parts off their hands. Apple orders runs of G4 boards as they are needed. It's going to cost Apple a lot more per component to get a run of 5000 G4 motherboards in 2004 that it would have cost to get a run of 50,000 or 100,000 G4 boards in 2003 (remember, per unit cost).

Please, if you are going to spout un-informed FUD and Junk on the Mac forums, how about your actually make slightly reasonable arguments.

[mattmack]

hi mattmack ... looks like we have same old dual 450 powermac ... waiting for g5 rev.b is quite boring ... well, right now i check out a good raid system to get everything out of my old pm ... you're going to buy g5 rev.b, too?
.aYep that's exactly what I am waiting for. I'll probably pick up a mid to low range system (depending on the available specs) I am getting tired of waiting so I can play all the newer games out there (can't wait for BF 1942) and also so I can set a system up for some audio recording. (Garage band looks awesome)

[mattmack]

The exceedingly important fact to remember is that PC components become obsolete and large unsold stock of parts eventually get liquidated. This is why I can buy a KT266, or an Intel 845 motherboard for $30 new (well, old but previously un-sold). Apple doesn't have 20 companies making their motherboards hoping that Apple will take the old parts off their hands. Apple orders runs of G4 boards as they are needed. It's going to cost Apple a lot more per component to get a run of 5000 G4 motherboards in 2004 that it would have cost to get a run of 50,000 or 100,000 G4 boards in 2003 (remember, per unit cost).

.This is exactly the reason you see older Apples (ie the generations just replaced) only on sale for a limited amount of time. Once stock depletes Apple doesn't order any more and the product line expires. This is the disadvantage of not having clones. You don't have more companies placing orders for boards and such. This is also the reasons for the delay to market and the occasionall selling out of stock. Apple does not have the luxury of buying 500,000 units and expecting them all to sell before the next upgrade. For all we know they might have hade a deal with IBM to buy a certain number of 1.6 units and can't afford to take the loss on them buy upgrading the G5, thereby making the 1.6 obselete. All I am saying is that Apple doesn't have all the luxuries that Wintel computer manufacturers have.

[mattmack]

... apple should better hurry up ... other systems are quite fast ... hmmm ... check these cinebench statistics
.aWOW the G5 benchmarks almost as fast as the dual 3.0 Ghz xenon on a beta cinebench and just as fast as the dual 2.9. I'd say that was pretty impressive

[.a]

well... okay... the g5 is still very fast. though we would like to see your dream mac on top of the list or top three, wouldn't you? :)
.a

[letterbox]

apple store is down and it's 8am est here, looks like something's a brewing today....

[denm316]

Apple store is off-line....finally something new....GO APPLE

And it better not be a new iPod mini color....I SWEAR IT BETTER NOT BE

[PowerMacMan]

Apple store is off-line....finally something new....GO APPLE

And it better not be a new iPod mini color....I SWEAR IT BETTER NOT BE

I'm guessing a new eMac, although it's not what I am waiting for!

*Waits for G5 Revision B...

[Lancetx]

Apple store is off-line....finally something new....GO APPLE

And it better not be a new iPod mini color....I SWEAR IT BETTER NOT BE

According to another thread here from last night, this morning's updates will be new eMacs. Might be disappointing to some, but not to me. :)

[denm316]

I aint really feeling a new eMac, all I want is an upgraded PowerBook, I know it wont be a G5, I just want some updated specs for a new 12inch G4

[CmdrLaForge]

The store is down.

[Gianrico]

It's time to see some good news.... I hope !!!

Apple Italy store is offline

[Gianrico]

It's time to see some good news.... I hope !!!

Apple Italy store is offline


Ohhhh ....NOoooooooooo

The Store is on line now again without any news

:mad:

[Lancetx]

Ohhhh ....NOoooooooooo

The Store is on line now again without any news

:mad:

New and much faster eMacs are there, but nothing else it appears...

[grouse]

Look like very good value these eMacs, although not for you power-hungry people.

A quiet Tuesday update, about the only thing that doesn't involve G5's, I figure. Although it might make predictions of the bumped G4 powerbooks seem more likely soon and iBooks too, I guess, if ol' heloMotorolo are shipping them in quantities.

They appear to be available NOW.

Is this in time for some sort of School Buying season in the States?

[aswitcher]

They appear to be available NOW.

Is this in time for some sort of School Buying season in the States?

Yes...apparently shopping takes place very soon for new machines for after the Summer break.

[Zaty]

Look like very good value these eMacs, although not for you power-hungry people.

A quiet Tuesday update, about the only thing that doesn't involve G5's, I figure. Although it might make predictions of the bumped G4 powerbooks seem more likely soon and iBooks too, I guess, if ol' heloMotorolo are shipping them in quantities.

They appear to be available NOW.

Is this in time for some sort of School Buying season in the States?

That means that the low end iMac is slower than the eMac!!! Does that mean iMacs are coming, too? What happenend to the PBs? Are they being annouced at NAB?

[MacRAND]

New and much faster eMacs are there, but nothing else it appears...8x SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical drive

Although no details in depth, the eMac release now confirma that Apple is shipping new Macs with a faster 8x DVD burning laser drive.

Does not confirm laser drive maker as Pioneer
Does not confirm + write/read capability
Does not even confirm DVD-RW ReWrite capability

However, the drive is likely the PIONEER DVR-AO7 which is
DVD/CD±R/RW (totally capable of + and - , and DVD-RW)

So, new PowerMacs when released should have no less a laser drive than this.

Checked for Apple 8x DVD-R media...found NONE on Apple's site.
http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/d7aa59105f1b68/www.apple.com/emac/images/superdrive_dvds041804.gifhttp://a176.g.akamai.net/7/176/51/de65cf47701bda/www.apple.com/emac/images/index_top.jpghttp://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/b322f6fa6d114e/www.apple.com/emac/images/index_title.gif

[invaLPsion]

Look like very good value these eMacs, although not for you power-hungry people.

A quiet Tuesday update, about the only thing that doesn't involve G5's, I figure. Although it might make predictions of the bumped G4 powerbooks seem more likely soon and iBooks too, I guess, if ol' heloMotorolo are shipping them in quantities.

They appear to be available NOW.

Is this in time for some sort of School Buying season in the States?

Jimsowden did predict this update to a tea.

[iriejedi]

Only 4 years to go!

:p

[Macster389]

ffakr

Maybe you should do a little research before before you start spouting off!

March 8th 2000 P III 1 gig
November 20th 2000 P4 1.5 gig
Not the 600-800 MHZ you refer to.

And wasn't the G4 867 the first super drive unit? It is possible it was the 933, but I can't remember.

All I am saying is Apple uses older technology for the most part and charges current prices for it.

I should have said 3 year old technology.

I don't understand why people try to justify Steve's pricing policies. You can plainly see your getting ripped, but because it says Apple you love it. If when the new G5 units come out you guys did't run out and buy one right away, Steve would be forced to make a decision. Should I lower my price or let my sales fall off? He probably wouldn't drop the price, but I'm sure you would see some rebates!

[MacRAND]

ffakr
Maybe you should do a little research before before you start spouting off! ...
And wasn't the G4 867 the first super drive unit? It is possible it was the 933, but I can't remember.
All I am saying is Apple uses older technology for the most part and charges current prices for it. I should have said 3 year old technology.
I don't understand why people try to justify Steve's pricing policies. You can plainly see your getting ripped, but because it says Apple you love it. ...Macster, you have convinced all the rest of us that you are right, and we are wrong about Steve Jobs and Apple.
We are embarassed by our loyalty to a company and a product over the last 10-years that has failed to (a) keep up with the times, and (b) sell computers at a reasonable price.
Although nobody here really tries to justify Steve's pricing policies, unlike you, we understand Apple's policies because they are for the most part based on sound business practices resulting in a profitable multi-billion dollar business venture.
For over a decade I have listened to prophets like you and Dont Hurt Me who constantly anticipate the demise of Apple and their computers, and your Doomsday predictions are about as welcome as the Watchtower prophacies distributed door to door by Jehova's Witnesses, who feel it is their religious duty to warn all of us about the apocalypse and the end of the world...which they set specific dates for (the end of the world) several times over the last 60 years.

Amazingly, Doomsday has yet to arrive, especially on the heels of record profits and growth for Apple. Shucks, I still expect Apple to have to close the doors of their Tokyo, San Francisco, and Phoenix Apple Stores any day now...well, right after Gatesway closes theirs.

But we hear your strident voice and your unwavering message, and we are overwhelmed by your logic. We know we should be embarassed to buy into all this 3-year old technology crap Uncle Steve is cramming down our throats. Enough is enough.

Why... Steve did the same thing to those dumb acadamecisans and idiot engineers at Virginia Tech who thought they could build a SuperComputer that would rank in the top 10 in the world out of obsolete (by 3 years, right? compared to any PC) G5 PowerMacs...right off the shelf. Dumb bunch of teachers.

How stupid they were to pass up those deals with IBM, HP, Dell and the others. Instead, some crazy professor placed an order right through the Apple Store for 1100 dual G5 2GHz PowerMacs even before any had been delivered...sight unseen. Can you believe that?. Even if they got an Education Discount, you've been telling us how much better the discount from Dell and Gateway are. Was this guy crazy or what?

I hear that Virginia Tech only placed 3rd in the world among academic supercomputers (boy, they sure got what they deserved pulling a dumb prank like that) and their Project X is doing so badly they are gradually migrating all those 1,100 loser G5 PowerMacs for some new servers with IBM 970 chips in them. Not 6 months and they have to get rid of all those old, obsolete PowerMacs. Smart to go with IBM though, don't you think? I hear they are cutting down space by as much as 40%, maybe more, from the junk Apple sold them. Guess they won't be calling it the BIG MAC anymore. Maybe BIG BLUE after IBM?

Well, you have convinced me and a bunch of others to abandon our Mac computers and to go for some PC with an Intel processor, unless you think we would be better off going with AMD or somebody else. E-Machine, maybe? Whatever.

Now all you have to do -- and I promise you, we are ready, willing and able. We want you to know that.

All you have to do is find us a computer that blows away these stupid Mac G5 computers, and those dumb PowerBooks with the Mototrola chips, as long as the new PC can run OS X. Simple as that.

We feel smart enough to follow you to a great PC computer, but
none of us is dumb enough to go with MS Windows XP, or that OS from Prescott, Arizona, or the Long Horned cow (the Gatesway Cow), or any OS from Microsoft and Bill Gates. That's fair, right? No EVIL BILL!http://forums.macrumors.com/image.php?u=19340&dateline=1078694595You see, we all absolutely hate Steve Jobs (hate, hate, hate), except Uncle Steve is a saint compared to that Billy Gates fellow and his Gatesway computers. He owns Gatesway too, don't he? "It's Gates way or the High way" I hear he says. ;)

Anyway, that's the deal.
You have convinced us that our Macs are all overpriced junk and we want a PC,
as long as it will run OS X and all the iApps, and FinalCut Pro and DVD Studio Pro, and stuff like that.

You see, we all made a mistake and we're very heavily invested in OS X software - spending much more money than what my current G4 Dual 1GHz machine cost me back in 2002. Plus, I'm so damn old that I just refuse to learn another operating system, especially one that has such a bad reputation for being confusing, complicated, over controlling, and full of bugs and viruses like Windows. Maybe you don't mind Windows, but we do.

And there is just one, tinnie, tiny, little hold up. No, it's not OS 9, duh!
I know you'll probably compare us to a bunch of glacial Tortioses and you and Dont Hurt Me are a couple of rabbid Hares ready to race into the future.http://forums.macrumors.com/image.php?u=2830&dateline=1078509547I'm waiting for my over 5 year plus obsolete G4 from 2002 to die because it really does do all I need and want, and I don't want to dump a whole bunch of money into something new (not even a new G5) until the Mac technology really is super obsolete. When do you suppose that is going to be?

And the 6 or so of us are so convinced you are right, we are willing to let you build us a great new PC computer out of all these great modern PC parts that blows away Apple Macs. So, how much money do you think it will take to build a better Apple with new technology that you're always talking about? If you'll build the first prototype, someone will surely buy it off you as soon as you can show us that it will run OS X and all of our peripherals and stuff. You can do that, right? Just like you've been saying?

¿ Deal ?

:p

[wdlove]

Only 4 years to go!

:p

I'm optimistic that we will see 3 GHz. I don't think that Steve would make a statement, that he didn't already know was possible. Plans were probably under R&D then.

[iriejedi]

I'm optimistic that we will see 3 GHz. I don't think that Steve would make a statement, that he didn't already know was possible. Plans were probably under R&D then.

I agree 100% - in fact I'm so optimistic - they were released back on March 23rd - but in my little bubble reality is often blurred between fact and fiction.

My cash is in the bank and I hope to be the first order in, once the store come back online after the rev b G5s are released!

:)

[brooklyn]

:eek: Wouldn't it be cool if Apple realeased a mini-tower G5 PowerMac.

[aswitcher]

:eek: Wouldn't it be cool if Apple realeased a mini-tower G5 PowerMac.

Yeah, its called the G5 Cube and tends to have highly polarised debate about its validity as a design... :D

[rdowns]

Yeah, its called the G5 Cube and tends to have highly polarised debate about its validity as a design... :D

A mini tower does not have to be a cube. It would allow Jobs to not relive his biggest failure. It could be an iMac with upgradeable video card and 2 slots. And not the best that the G5 PM is.

[neonart]

:eek: Wouldn't it be cool if Apple realeased a mini-tower G5 PowerMac.

That would be outstanding!
Stick G5's in the old G4 towers. It's OK if they are louder, people are used to hearing fans on PC's and that's not going to keep them from switching. Heck, my windtunnel is not quiet at all.

If Apple had G5's from say $1299 in a smaller enclosure it would be a smash hit. People now think the G5's are fast and great, but won't spend near $2000 for one. A fast PC is available for much less in their mind.

A G5 cube would be so incredibly great, I would do a happy dance if it ever happens.

(BTW, folks these are just assumptions and speculation and not my future predictions. So don't get all negative and psycho one me: "You're crazy! Apple will never do that! I hate you!")

[invaLPsion]

With things looking like all of Apple's consumer line will be updated in April (except powermacs) it seems to me that Apple will not wait till WWDC to release new powermacs. A rumor site gives this information:

On the G5 front, we continue to expect a wait of at least a month before an update takes place.

However, doubts remain about rumors projecting a PowerMac update at WWDC at the end of June. Rumors of PCI Express support and the use of PCI Express GPUs in at least some models are in direct conflict with that timetable, we're told, unless considerable multi-month delays exist between announcement and shipping date on these systems.

A may powermac update would be nice... :)

[Gianrico]

With things looking like all of Apple's consumer line will be updated in April (except powermacs) it seems to me that Apple will not wait till WWDC to release new powermacs. A rumor site gives this information:

On the G5 front, we continue to expect a wait of at least a month before an update takes place.

However, doubts remain about rumors projecting a PowerMac update at WWDC at the end of June. Rumors of PCI Express support and the use of PCI Express GPUs in at least some models are in direct conflict with that timetable, we're told, unless considerable multi-month delays exist between announcement and shipping date on these systems.

A may powermac update would be nice... :)

I hope to see the G5 update before the end of May. It is a strange thing to sell a computer for a year as this G5 line has been released a yer ago

[sethypoo]

I hope to see the G5 update before the end of May. It is a strange thing to sell a computer for a year as this G5 line has been released a yer ago

Yes, but it has been updated.

[PRØBE]

Why is everyone assuming that the imac line will be updated to a G5? Seeing as it would have to use a 90nm chip because of heat dissapation, and IBM is having trouble producing these (see revelvant thread on 90nm teething troubles), then isn't it most likely that Apple will just bump them up to a 1.5ghz G4? If it's good enough for the powerbooks...

I think they would sell well enough and be fast enough to keep most prosumers happy til IBM gets a grip on things. If they were to replace the low end imac with a 17 inch screen and faster superdrive, while maintaining the current price, i'd be persuaded to part with some hard earned cash.

[MacRAND]

Why is everyone assuming that the imac line will be updated to a G5? Seeing as it would have to use a 90nm chip because of heat dissapation, and IBM is having trouble producing these (see revelvant thread on 90nm teething troubles), then isn't it most likely that Apple will just bump them up to a 1.5ghz G4? If it's good enough for the powerbooks...

I think they would sell well enough and be fast enough to keep most prosumers happy til IBM gets a grip on things. If they were to replace the low end imac with a 17 inch screen and faster superdrive, while maintaining the current price, i'd be persuaded to part with some hard earned cash.You are probably right for the short run, but sooner or later the G5 will end up in some relative of today's iMac.

[pgwalsh]

Why is everyone assuming that the imac line will be updated to a G5? Seeing as it would have to use a 90nm chip because of heat dissapation, and IBM is having trouble producing these (see revelvant thread on 90nm teething troubles), then isn't it most likely that Apple will just bump them up to a 1.5ghz G4? If it's good enough for the powerbooks...

I think they would sell well enough and be fast enough to keep most prosumers happy til IBM gets a grip on things. If they were to replace the low end imac with a 17 inch screen and faster superdrive, while maintaining the current price, i'd be persuaded to part with some hard earned cash.Well, I'm not assuming it will, but I'm hoping it will. The iMac line is stale and the G5 would be mighty handsome in an iMac. That withe the mobility Radeon 9700 would be sweet.

However people may be making the assumption based on the fact that they didn't get a processor speed bump like the PowerBook. The iMac needs one.. So maybe Apple is holding off for a G5 in the iMac.

[MacRAND]

Well, I'm not assuming it will, but I'm hoping it will. The iMac line is stale and the G5 would be mighty handsome in an iMac. That withe the mobility Radeon 9700 would be sweet.

However people may be making the assumption based on the fact that they didn't get a processor speed bump like the PowerBook. The iMac needs one.. So maybe Apple is holding off for a G5 in the iMac.I do not know how accurate it is, but I've seen several "rumors" without any real detail suggesting that iMac is up for a significant DESIGN change.

Whether the half snowball globe will turn into a cube or if it will get an aluminum cover or a new LCD screen, I do not know. However, a radical design change may be what is going on in the iMac world rather than simply a G5 chip change. The reasoning behind this speculation seems to come from a leveling off or even drop in iMac sales, attributed by some to an "old look" that supposedly begs for a design facelift.
Everything seems sonip&tuck these days.

These ideas are pure speculation and are NOT valid rumors, so don't anyone say I said it's going to happen or something. Besides, only about half of my predictions / speculations over NAB releases came to fruition. Several are still outstanding, waiting for the impending PowerMacs and a revised Apple Studio Display line to be released.

I thought it was cool that Apple repeatedly gave "motion" hints and then named their new software Motion. Talk about keeping NSA class secrets by being obvious. ;)

[neonart]

This thread has gone so long it's now a catch-all for anything else people need to go into. :D

Where are the flipin' G5's? I actually looked on Alienware's site like two days ago... now that's wack. Now, I'm not doing anything crazy, but the fact that even I looked at the dark side even for 3 minutes means there's got to be other, less loyal buyers making impulse buys at Witel Depot.

:eek:

[pgwalsh]

This thread has gone so long it's now a catch-all for anything else people need to go into. :D

Where are the flipin' G5's? I actually looked on Alienware's site like two days ago... now that's wack. Now, I'm not doing anything crazy, but the fact that even I looked at the dark side even for 3 minutes means there's got to be other, less loyal buyers making impulse buys at Witel Depot.

:eek:Maybe Sun's Java Desktop is calling you... shhhhh :p

[ghiangelo]

This thread has gone so long it's now a catch-all for anything else people need to go into. :D

Where are the flipin' G5's? I actually looked on Alienware's site like two days ago... now that's wack. Now, I'm not doing anything crazy, but the fact that even I looked at the dark side even for 3 minutes means there's got to be other, less loyal buyers making impulse buys at Witel Depot.

:eek:


hey i've got three quotes for dual Xeon configurations in front of me now. i'd like to get another for an AMD FX 53... this G5 wait is very long.

[neonart]

hey i've got three quotes for dual Xeon configurations in front of me now. i'd like to get another for an AMD FX 53... this G5 wait is very long.

What brand?

[invaLPsion]

hey i've got three quotes for dual Xeon configurations in front of me now. i'd like to get another for an AMD FX 53... this G5 wait is very long.

Build a PC around an FX-53 from Newegg. That system will be CHEAP and will Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. :D

I was looking at getting one of those till I ordered by powerbook (see below).

[thatwendigo]

Build a PC around an FX-53 from Newegg. That system will be CHEAP and will Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. :D

Cheap?

Athlon FX-53 $815
Asus SK8V $183
Crucial 2GB PC 3200 (2x1GB) $700
Maxtor 250GB 7200RPM SATA $206
Pioneer DVR-A07 8x DVD+RW/-RW $164
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB $245
Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS $164
ThermalTake 560w PSU $94
Koutec PCI 1394b KW-1314 $62

Cost: $2633

Parts alone, no case, runs you almost the price of a Dual G5.

Edit: Before anyone says anything about being able to buy cheaper parts, please take into account I only used the manufacturers that Apple would use, where possible. This is a comparison list, after all.

[Palador]

No, the G5 HASNT been updated.

Taking a Dual 2.0 and crippling it with a slower bus and two processors that from the 1.8 batch is NOT a freaking update! It's marketing ploy to sell more G5s. Too many people were either buying only the Dual 2.0 or NOT buying anything because they didnt want a single processor system when a dual was available... albeit more expensive. People were saying, why should I plop down $2300 on a single 1.8 when a dual 2.0 (more than twice the difference to most laypeople) is 3k?

And to respond to some statements in advance:

No, I wont be patient becayse the G5s wont come out soon. $100 bucks says they are announced at WWDC and shipping in 8 -10 weeks.

No, the current dual G5 2.0 isnt 'good enough'

No, its not the graphics card or something else holding things up for this long

Yes, its Apple and IBMs fault for having a 1 year update cycle and Yes their business will suffer because of it.

[Palador]

Wendigo,

That system can be had for cheaper. But as is it is a better price than the Dual G5 2.0 and I guarantee I'd have it running faster, cooler, and quieter than our long in the tooth PowerMacs.

[ingenious]

Wendigo,

That system can be had for cheaper. But as is it is a better price than the Dual G5 2.0 and I guarantee I'd have it running faster, cooler, and quieter than our long in the tooth PowerMacs.


yea, but its not a mac.

[thatwendigo]

Taking a Dual 2.0 and crippling it with a slower bus and two processors that from the 1.8 batch is NOT a freaking update! It's marketing ploy to sell more G5s. Too many people were either buying only the Dual 2.0 or NOT buying anything because they didnt want a single processor system when a dual was available... albeit more expensive. People were saying, why should I plop down $2300 on a single 1.8 when a dual 2.0 (more than twice the difference to most laypeople) is 3k?

It's an update to the design of the computers. While the chips used in the G5 computers are not updated yet, the systems that they're sold in have had at least that one revision. Even if all they did was clock down a 2.0 system, it's still selling a version that wasn't previously available and which is a far better deal than the original single 1.8. As such, the G5 product line has been updated, and the xServes are running a revised version of the chip.

Hence. you're wrong.

No, I wont be patient becayse the G5s wont come out soon. $100 bucks says they are announced at WWDC and shipping in 8 -10 weeks.

That's within the boundaries that were set for the update.

No, the current dual G5 2.0 isnt 'good enough'

Opinion.

No, its not the graphics card or something else holding things up for this long

Citation, please. I'd like to see your source for this claim.

Yes, its Apple and IBMs fault for having a 1 year update cycle and Yes their business will suffer because of it.

Maybe, maybe not. You don't know what the holdup is, because if you did and you were talking about it, then you'd be risking your job. Apple is notorious for strict enforcement of NDAs.

That system can be had for cheaper. But as is it is a better price than the Dual G5 2.0 and I guarantee I'd have it running faster, cooler, and quieter than our long in the tooth PowerMacs.

Palador,

Read posts thoroughly before mouthing off.

My next line after that configuarion explained what I was doing, but in case you missed it, I'll try this again. That system is built to have a support infrastructure and feature set as close to Apple's hardware as possible. In every case that I could, the parts are exactly the same as the ones Apple uses, such as Maxtor and Pioneer drives, ATI graphics cards, Crucial memory and so on. Where not possible, I went with the midline or the only options available. Yes, the system could be cheaper than that, but only if you cut corners and build it from a market Apple has no access to!

Pissing and moaning about Apple's prices while using a scale that they can't possibly match is assinine and pointless. Yes, you can buy some knockoff part that the manufacturer has licensed out. Yes, you can find things cheaper or do workarounds to run things a different way.

What you don't get is the Apple software, integration, and service. Also, if you're so brilliant that you can run an FX-53 quieter than a G5, well... Why aren't you working for CoolMax or one of the other aftermarket thermal companies? Normally I hate using an argument like that, but I really am curious.

[invaLPsion]

Cheap?

Athlon FX-53 $815
Asus SK8V $183
Crucial 2GB PC 3200 (2x1GB) $700
Maxtor 250GB 7200RPM SATA $206
Pioneer DVR-A07 8x DVD+RW/-RW $164
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB $245
Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS $164
ThermalTake 560w PSU $94
Koutec PCI 1394b KW-1314 $62

Cost: $2633

Parts alone, no case, runs you almost the price of a Dual G5..

Does a G5 have 2gigs of ram? No.
Does a G5 have a 250 gig hard drive? No.
Does a G5 have an 8x superdrive? No.
Does a G5 have a radeon 98 pro? No.

Compare what you will, but for $2200, I configured a sweet PC with an FX-53, 160 gig HD, 1 gig Ram, Nvidia FX5950 Ultra 2004GT, a Lian Li Case, etc.

[MacRAND]

Does a G5 have 2gigs of ram? No.
Does a G5 have a 250 gig hard drive? No.
Does a G5 have an 8x superdrive? No.
Does a G5 have a radeon 98 pro? No.

Compare what you will, but for $2200, I configured a sweet PC with an FX-53, 160 gig HD, 1 gig Ram, Nvidia FX5950 Ultra 2004GT, a Lian Li Case, etc.
Can your sweet PC hold 16 GB of RAM or run OS X Panther?
NO? Well, then what good is it no matter how cheap it is?
The best part of your configuration is the well made Lian Li Case, and it still pales in comparison to a G5 case.

What's this about 250GB hard drive when you configured yours with 160 GB, which is what I'd prefer to a 250.

The new G5s are coming out with 8x Pioneer SuperDrives, and Apple already sells 5-packs of 8x DVD-R media for $19.95 and has drivers for the new 8x DVD/CD±R/RW burners in place as of 10.3.3.

No matter how you cut it, if you build your sweet PC you still have to lower yourself to WindowsXP, and isn't that a fate worse than death? Oh, you could go Lindows, but you cannot run Panther, the iApps (except tunes), FinalCutPro, Logic 6 or 5,000 other OS X programs...except on a Mac.

However, do what feels good, switcher.
Nobody else is persuaded, no one else will follow your lead to PC land.

[Duff-Man]

Compare what you will, but for $2200, I configured a sweet PC with an FX-53, 160 gig HD, 1 gig Ram, Nvidia FX5950 Ultra 2004GT, a Lian Li Case, etc.Duff-Man says...you forgot to mention - also included....an os with security like swiss-cheese...daily virus updates...ugly as sin...etc etc etc.....oh yeah!

[Palador]

Ok, you just go ahead and tell yourself that the dual 1.8 was an update and its the only update we needed.

Great, feel better?

Just because it was a model unavailable before does not make it an update in the true sense of the word. Apple's Updates = progress... except for that one, right? I mean, what if they had come out with 1.2 G4s in Powerbooks a week ago for slightly cheaper with no other changes. Would you have called that an update? No, its old technology at a slightly better deal. (the dual 1.8 G5 still not as good of a deal as 10 month old technology should be)

Granted, it was a better deal for sure, but it was not an update.

Hence, you're wrong.

As far as my source on the delays... HAVE you been reading macrumors.com lately or just trolling in the forums? Its because IBM has dropped the ball in its 90nm process and Apple didnt have a backup plan. A slightly faster 130nm chip would suit me just fine.

If Apple comes out with 3GHz Dual G5s at WWDC shipping by August, I will eat my words and switch AGAIN back to Apple. But how many of you beleive that will really happen?

Btw, I could absolutely find quality parts like you mentioned for 10-20% cheaper than you quoted. Much more cheaper in some cases, and less impressive than others. Check out fatwallet.com sometime

[thatwendigo]

Ok, you just go ahead and tell yourself that the dual 1.8 was an update and its the only update we needed.

Once again, read and understand a post before you attack me. I never said that the 1.8 duals were "the only update we needed." I'd really have been happy to see 3.0ghz machines six months ago, but I also understand the realities of the market.

Just because it was a model unavailable before does not make it an update in the true sense of the word. Apple's Updates = progress... except for that one, right? I mean, what if they had come out with 1.2 G4s in Powerbooks a week ago for slightly cheaper with no other changes. Would you have called that an update? No, its old technology at a slightly better deal. (the dual 1.8 G5 still not as good of a deal as 10 month old technology should be)

:rolleyes:

You're right. Taking a system that used to be single processor and pushing it up to be a dual is just taking "old technology" and using it to defraud the users. What Apple should have done is magically wave their hands to make the IBM fab process suddenly run smoother and give us all 8ghz sextuple-core G6s.

Granted, it was a better deal for sure, but it was not an update.

The motherboards supported duals, and one model was given twice as many processors as it had previously had. It's an update.

Update - n - bring to the latest state of technology; in computer technology

Apple brought more of the line up to their more modern approach, i.e. SMP.

As far as my source on the delays... HAVE you been reading macrumors.com lately or just trolling in the forums? Its because IBM has dropped the ball in its 90nm process and Apple didnt have a backup plan. A slightly faster 130nm chip would suit me just fine.

:rolleyes:

Sure, guy. I don't read anything at all, which is why my posts almost always reference the latest rumors and talk about them in combination when discussing the G5. Yes, I know that IBM "dropped the ball" on 90nm (your lack of attack on everyone else who's having serious issues with the process shows your bias) and that they're having supply issues. This has nothing to do with whether or not the research and design of the 3.0 ghz machiens will be done, nor does it exclude the other rumors.

If Apple comes out with 3GHz Dual G5s at WWDC shipping by August, I will eat my words and switch AGAIN back to Apple. But how many of you beleive that will really happen?

I think it could, but I don't know if it will.

Btw, I could absolutely find quality parts like you mentioned for 10-20% cheaper than you quoted. Much more cheaper in some cases, and less impressive than others. Check out fatwallet.com sometime

No, not "quality parts like <I> mentioned." You have to do the comparison with manufacturers Apple uses, or you're already destroying the validity of your numbers.

[thatwendigo]

Does a G5 have 2gigs of ram? No.
Does a G5 have a 250 gig hard drive? No.
Does a G5 have an 8x superdrive? No.
Does a G5 have a radeon 98 pro? No.

In order:
It can.
It can.
Yes. The model I listed is the one in Apple computers.
It can.

Compare what you will, but for $2200, I configured a sweet PC with an FX-53, 160 gig HD, 1 gig Ram, Nvidia FX5950 Ultra 2004GT, a Lian Li Case, etc.

Configured? Where, and with who? Did you use the same kinds of parts restriction I did so that the comparison would be remotely fair, or did you go with the cheapest stuff available? The processor alone in a parts-only FX-53 is over $800.

[Downdivx]

I'll be happy when we have some new powermac rumors so these pointless arguements can end or at least get muted. I think you guys just need to accept that each of you has a different opinion and you're not going to change each other's mind.

[pgwalsh]

:rolleyes:

You're right. Taking a system that used to be single processor and pushing it up to be a dual is just taking "old technology" and using it to defraud the users. What Apple should have done is magically wave their hands to make the IBM fab process suddenly run smoother and give us all 8ghz sextuple-core G6s.
Dont' think I appreciate your sarcasm on this one, not like you care. However, I agree with the sentiments of others in that the Dual 1.8 wasn't a progress update. The 1.8 tried to take demand off the dual 2.0. Apple simply needed to increase production of the Dual processor Mobo's. No new technology was added. The product was just reconfigured to offset demand. Otherwise I can't think of a reason to deliver it. I do recall many MacRumors people being upset at Apple not releasing all the PowerMacs as Dual or at least the top two. This could have been another reason.

[invaLPsion]

Can your sweet PC hold 16 GB of RAM or run OS X Panther?
NO? Well, then what good is it no matter how cheap it is?
The best part of your configuration is the well made Lian Li Case, and it still pales in comparison to a G5 case.

What's this about 250GB hard drive when you configured yours with 160 GB, which is what I'd prefer to a 250.

The new G5s are coming out with 8x Pioneer SuperDrives, and Apple already sells 5-packs of 8x DVD-R media for $19.95 and has drivers for the new 8x DVD/CD±R/RW burners in place as of 10.3.3.

No matter how you cut it, if you build your sweet PC you still have to lower yourself to WindowsXP, and isn't that a fate worse than death? Oh, you could go Lindows, but you cannot run Panther, the iApps (except tunes), FinalCutPro, Logic 6 or 5,000 other OS X programs...except on a Mac.

However, do what feels good, switcher.
Nobody else is persuaded, no one else will follow your lead to PC land.

I haven't switched....

See my sig...

[thatwendigo]

Dont' think I appreciate your sarcasm on this one, not like you care. However, I agree with the sentiments of others in that the Dual 1.8 wasn't a progress update. The 1.8 tried to take demand off the dual 2.0. Apple simply needed to increase production of the Dual processor Mobo's. No new technology was added. The product was just reconfigured to offset demand. Otherwise I can't think of a reason to deliver it. I do recall many MacRumors people being upset at Apple not releasing all the PowerMacs as Dual or at least the top two. This could have been another reason.

Oh, but you do appreciate the outright flaming from Palador and company? I'll keep that in mind. :rolleyes:

I don't know how to get this through to you people who are determined to see this as some sort of negative step, but I'll try again. The G5 processor and the G5 computer are two separate products, and the update of one does not always mean the update of the other. Regardless of reasoning, the 1.8ghz mid-line machine used to be a single, but is now a dual, and this is progress towards faster machines across the line. Are you honestly going to say that adding a processor isn't updating that model? Is that not a speed increase and a jump in architecture support (RAM, at the very least)?

The fact that you don't see a reason other than to take demand off the top doesn't mean that it's the only one. People don't always have the money, or the desire, to shell out top dollars for top machinery. For some, the 1.8 is an acceptable compromise between price and performance, and the addition of a second processor makes it that much more attractive.

Also, if you think that posters at MacRumors being upset with Apple is at all going to affect their strategy... Well, I think I hardly need to comment on how silly that is.

Thanks for the laugh, pgwalsh.

[Palador]

Also, if you think that posters at MacRumors being upset with Apple is at all going to affect their strategy... Well, I think I hardly need to comment on how silly that is.

Thanks for the laugh, pgwalsh.

Conversely, the posters here who defend Apple with the 'they can do no wrong' mentality hurt innovation and in the long run will hurt the company. If their customers arent pushing them for more frequent updates, competitive pricing, etc. then the people at Apple will think it is okay to release updates once a year... that its okay to sell us the ancient G4 as if it was the cat's pajamas for astounding prices... that its okay to focus on their beloved iPod at the sacrifice of their loyal computing followers.

These arguements were all brought up with the G4 and will never go away until something changes at Apple.

I really envy people like wendigo. I wish I could just sit there an be happy with being sold a 10 month old computer for 3k and think it's 'good enough'

Have so many of you forgotten Apple's motto? Think Different! Think Motivation, Think Speed, Think Progress... It's happening in the PC community right now and it hasnt happened in the Mac community since last June.

[pgwalsh]

Oh, but you do appreciate the outright flaming from Palador and company? I'll keep that in mind. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the laugh, pgwalsh.Just because I commented on yours doesn't necessarily mean I agree with him either.

I do agree with Palador's take on this issue and that doesn't discount that you think it's a product upgrade, but Palador and I see it different. Of course it doesn have to be just processor, but adding one more doesn't qualifty in my eyes. It's what they should have done to begin with. I feel badly for the people who purchased a single 1.8 right before the dual came out.

In addition just because they added a processor doesn't make it an uprade. As opposed to you saying upgrades are not soley in the form of processor speed upgrades, I agree.. If they included newer componenets across the board, then maybe I'd see it as an upgrade, not as somethin they should have done to begin with.

[thatwendigo]

Conversely, the posters here who defend Apple with the 'they can do no wrong' mentality hurt innovation and in the long run will hurt the company.

Wrong. Posters neither help nor hurt Apple by the mere act of posting. That is my whole point, because anyone who is swayed by a post on a messageboard that doesn't link to hard, factual evidence is someone who doesn't know enough to make informed decisions to begin with. The only thing that anyone on this board is doing right now is sharing ideas and opinions, and that doesn't at all change Apple's course of action.

If their customers arent pushing them for more frequent updates, competitive pricing, etc. then the people at Apple will think it is okay to release updates once a year...

You say that as if there's something they can do about what a supplier does with their manufacturing lines. It's not as if there's a really broad range of consumer-grade PowerPC manufacturers out there. IBM and Motorola are pretty much the only game in town, and going x86 would be commercial suicide.

that its okay to sell us the ancient G4 as if it was the cat's pajamas for astounding prices...

The G4 is more expensive than comparable PC parts, period. The only reason that the G5 isn't as comparatively a rape on price-to-performance is that IBM is more focused on the task than Motorola was, and has less of an investment in making their processors for embedded tasks and more of a benefit from making them usable in consumer machines.

that its okay to focus on their beloved iPod at the sacrifice of their loyal computing followers.

PowerMac income > iPod income

These arguements were all brought up with the G4 and will never go away until something changes at Apple.

These are the realities of the market, Palador. If you don't like it, there are a thousand odd manufacturers out there who make other processors and other architectures. Go have fun!

I really envy people like wendigo. I wish I could just sit there an be happy with being sold a 10 month old computer for 3k and think it's 'good enough'

Look, would you quit it with putting words in my mouth? I don't even have $3k free to be buying a G5. My two main computers are an eMac and an iBook, with a G4 tower that I game on sometimes.

Guess what? For what I do, they are 'good enough.' A G5 would be even better, but at this point in the computing game, short of bad coding and feature bloat, we're reaching the wall as far as consumer needs. Why do you think that even the x86 world is seeing a lengthening of the time that people hold onto their machines?

Have so many of you forgotten Apple's motto? Think Different! Think Motivation, Think Speed, Think Progress... It's happening in the PC community right now and it hasnt happened in the Mac community since last June.

Read my posts. I'm one of the few people around here who routinely talks about possible new directions. Take a quick hunt through my old posts by clickin on the name next to this one. Look for what I was saying about networked computing, modular devices, and other strategies that could end up being good directions for Apple to take.

Speed is in more than the hardware. Progress means more than a chip. You can have the speediest processor ever, but if the software that runs on top of it doesn't take advantage of it, then there's no point.

For a while, the G3 did kill higher-clocked competitors. The G4 did the same on certain tasks, and the PC world learned how to defeat it. Now Intel's paying the price for their quick-and-dirty leaps with heath that's greater than the lightbulb in the fixture over my head.

Computing isn't always about the specs of your machine, even if they tend to help things along. For someone who's talking about 'thinking differently,' you're sure off in the standard gauges of what speed is.

[Frobozz]

Does a G5 have 2gigs of ram? No.
Does a G5 have a 250 gig hard drive? No.
Does a G5 have an 8x superdrive? No.
Does a G5 have a radeon 98 pro? No.

Compare what you will, but for $2200, I configured a sweet PC with an FX-53, 160 gig HD, 1 gig Ram, Nvidia FX5950 Ultra 2004GT, a Lian Li Case, etc.

... and it will run Windows. Eck.

[MacZoro]

Ok, you just go ahead and tell yourself that the dual 1.8 was an update and its the only update we needed. Great, feel better?
blah, blah, blah...
Granted, it was a better deal for sure, but it was not an update.
Hence, you're wrong.
blah, blah, blah...
As far as my source on the delays...
HAVE you been reading macrumors.com lately or just trolling in the forums?
...Its because IBM has dropped the ball in its 90nm process and Apple didnt have a backup plan.
SOLE SOURCE (except for Motorola G4) means there is no backup plan. Duh!
It's called "having faith in Big Blue"
A slightly faster 130nm chip would suit me just fine.
Apparently you are easy to please, or you are not as concerned with heat and power issues as the rest of us are ...including IBM & Apple.
If Apple comes out with 3GHz Dual G5s at WWDC shipping by August, I will eat my words and switch AGAIN back to Apple.
WHY BOTHER, YOU WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED EXCEPT IN THE PC WORLD WITH WINDOZE!
I neither expect a 3GHz G5 by then, nor hope for one - for your sake :D
But how many of you beleive that will really happen?
CONSIDERING THE "NEWS" AND "RUMORS" - none AT THIS POINT
But, who cares? Eventually, IBM will produce a solid 3GHz (and, beyond) and will be able to supply Apple, and it won't be that long, nor does it tax a real Mac person's patience.
Btw, I could absolutely find quality parts like you mentioned for 10-20% cheaper than you quoted. Much more cheaper (sic) in some cases, and less impressive than others.
BIG DEAL. WHO REALLY CARES? PC PEOPLE, NOT MAC PEOPLE.
Check out http://www.fatwallet.com sometime

WHY? THEY DON'T HAVE MACS! WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
IT'S A WASTE OF OUR TIME AND ENERGY.IBM may be going it slow (along with Intel and others who are likewise reportedly having similar 90nm problems) in getting new improved G5 chips to Apple, but new faster G5s are coming - witness the new 90nm G5 Xserves being migrated into the BIG MAC supercomputer at Virginia Tech.

PC may be your choice, but to a Mac person patience with Apple is the better alternative, never a PC...no matter how cheap or supposedly fast they may be. Same old problem > WINDOWS.

IBM didn't spend billions on their Fishkill, NY plant just to walk away.
Two constants in this world over the last 20 years,
IBM plus Apple equal progress.
PC plus Windows equal a big fat painful headache.

All the cheap, fast PC hardware in the world could not induce me or any real Mac person to switch to Windows. It won't bother anyone if you switch to PC. :D

[MacZoro]

I haven't switched....

See my sig...Whew! We thought you might have gotten the wrong "Intel" and jumped out the "Windows". ;)

Glad to hear you are still safely in Mac world.

[gossas]

Easy solution
All the MacRumors readers that really want to steer Apple should form an interest group, pool finances and aggressively buy Apple stock. Eventually (within 5-6 years given availability) you may become a majority share-holder and can dictate the company's stance and product development cycle.
Otherwise just sit here and wait for the product you want, Apple is a publicly owned company that with the grace of it's board and shareholders can just let it all go and give up on high-tech and make yo-yo's and you as consumers can do nothing about it.
The company very obviously tries to excite it's consumers and that is it's part of the loyalty arrangement, and when it does excite then it's consumers buy the exciting products completing their half of said arrangement.
If only Apple was a state run department and all citizens were due their allowance of it's production run.

[AppleJustWorks]

This thread should have been closed 1 month, and 2 days ago!!!! :rolleyes:

Its very simple! updates sometime between now and the end of WWDC! Be Happy!

[wdlove]

This thread should have been closed 1 month, and 2 days ago!!!! :rolleyes:

Its very simple! updates sometime between now and the end of WWDC! Be Happy!

I'm also amazed with the longevity. This is a G5 rumors thread, so as long as there is something to talk about it will continue. If true it still has another 2 months and 2 days to live. :D

[Bhennies]

My disgust over the delay is not with the lack of increase in chip frequency or 90 nm 970 or whatever, it is with the shoddy construction of the rev a g5's- I'm waiting for a reliable successor. I'd be more than happy to buy one if it weren't for the fan control problems and the terrible (i mean TERRIBLE) noises from the power supply. Apple has not resolved these problems for rev. a customers- they claim to have solved the noises with new power supplies but it doesn't solve the issue- check out digidesign forums and apple support for the many-thousand-thread-long posts about these issues remaining...if Apple support doesn't delete them first to try and cover up the problem (reminder of logic board lawsuits anyone?). I personally know 2 people who bought rev a g5's, and both of them have had to have them worked on. If not for this- I'd gladly shell out for a dual 2.0- until then- more of the long long wait.

[ffakr]

My disgust over the delay is not with the lack of increase in chip frequency or 90 nm 970 or whatever, it is with the shoddy construction of the rev a g5's- I'm waiting for a reliable successor. I'd be more than happy to buy one if it weren't for the fan control problems and the terrible (i mean TERRIBLE) noises from the power supply. Apple has not resolved these problems for rev. a customers- they claim to have solved the noises with new power supplies but it doesn't solve the issue- check out digidesign forums and apple support for the many-thousand-thread-long posts about these issues remaining...if Apple support doesn't delete them first to try and cover up the problem (reminder of logic board lawsuits anyone?). I personally know 2 people who bought rev a g5's, and both of them have had to have them worked on. If not for this- I'd gladly shell out for a dual 2.0- until then- more of the long long wait.

We must be pretty damn lucky. Our dual 2GHz works just fine. We do get the processor whine but that is fixed by a simple cpu register modification (one command in a shell)
I've worked on a number of G5s and I've thought they were all excellent, quality machines.

[Palador]

My disgust over the delay is not with the lack of increase in chip frequency or 90 nm 970 or whatever, it is with the shoddy construction of the rev a g5's- I'm waiting for a reliable successor. I'd be more than happy to buy one if it weren't for the fan control problems and the terrible (i mean TERRIBLE) noises from the power supply. Apple has not resolved these problems for rev. a customers- they claim to have solved the noises with new power supplies but it doesn't solve the issue- check out digidesign forums and apple support for the many-thousand-thread-long posts about these issues remaining...if Apple support doesn't delete them first to try and cover up the problem (reminder of logic board lawsuits anyone?). I personally know 2 people who bought rev a g5's, and both of them have had to have them worked on. If not for this- I'd gladly shell out for a dual 2.0- until then- more of the long long wait.


Exactly! This is a huge reason why we need regular updates more than once a year that I have overlooked. When a problem like this occurs, they rarely change the manufacturing process.... they just adopt a policy that people who call in to complain get a new part sent to them. That just isnt the way to do business. Im sure more than just a few people have had the problems, didnt call, and just made a decision to not buy Apple in the future, Audio professionals especially.

Another thing that MANY have demanded is room for two optical drives and more than 2 internal bays. In such a robust machine it makes no sense to have such limited expandability. Sure, Firewire 800 is great and so are external enclosures... but they cant replace internal SATA on the bus.

[Downdivx]

Exactly! This is a huge reason why we need regular updates more than once a year that I have overlooked. When a problem like this occurs, they rarely change the manufacturing process.... they just adopt a policy that people who call in to complain get a new part sent to them. That just isnt the way to do business. Im sure more than just a few people have had the problems, didnt call, and just made a decision to not buy Apple in the future, Audio professionals especially.

Another thing that MANY have demanded is room for two optical drives and more than 2 internal bays. In such a robust machine it makes no sense to have such limited expandability. Sure, Firewire 800 is great and so are external enclosures... but they cant replace internal SATA on the bus.

I've actually heard a lot of complaints about the Firewire 800 ports. According to Barefeats.com the G4 smokes the G5 in F800 speeds. There is just some problem with the G5 F800 implementation. So F800 drives aren't a viable alternative to internal drives.
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[numediaman]

I've actually heard a lot of complaints about the Firewire 800 ports. According to Barefeats.com the G4 smokes the G5 in F800 speeds. There is just some problem with the G5 F800 implementation. So F800 drives aren't a viable alternative to internal drives.
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You are right in that there have been some problems with the firewire in the G5 -- but there is already word that this is fixed in the new G5s.

Another argument for getting a FW800 drive is that the Apple Stores carry a nice little converter cord so you can use the drive on FW400 ports in older Macs.

I'm not arguing against internal drives -- its just that an external is perfect for some people.

[wdlove]

We must be pretty damn lucky. Our dual 2GHz works just fine. We do get the processor whine but that is fixed by a simple cpu register modification (one command in a shell)
I've worked on a number of G5s and I've thought they were all excellent, quality machines.

I do find it to be interesting to two divergent views of the Rev. A G5. Also get a positive view at the Apple Store, which is to be expected. :confused:

[gensor]

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