Dual PowerMacs and Aluminum Displays?

[MacRumors]

MacRumors has received word that PowerMac and Display updates are in the final stages and should be released shortly. While we've not received a specific date for updates, previous unconfirmed rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040308095938.shtml) have hinted at March 23rd as the release date. Both PowerMacs (All Dual?) and Apple Displays are expected to be updated simultaneously.

According to sources, the new displays do resemble the recent artist rendition (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040316161433.shtml) of upcoming Aluminum Displays based on a slide seen in a routine Apple presentation -- with monitor feet resembling the PowerMac G5 handles.

[Grimace]

Bring it!! And a 30" too!

http://homepage.mac.com/timcox/.Pictures/aluminadisplay.jpg

[pilzbury]

Oh goody I can't wait. Wish I could afford it though. I can hardly afford a new g4 ibook/pb (not sure what I want) have to get rid of my old ibook first. Anyone interested? HEHE

[eroyce]

I was kind of hoping to have an adjustabledisplay, this looks rock solid.

[nicely]

My credit card is ready...

[speakster]

It would be quite disappointing if we waited this long for monitor updates only to have them still be un-adjustable.

[Demon]

Hope the new screens will come down in price as well! (heh heh, not likely, i know)

But it's about time new PMacs had a speed bump. if G5s will actually reach 3Ghz by year end, they need to get bumpin' (and cheaper please!) :p

[NNO-Stephen]

they need to update the displays... they need to update the PowerMacs... although the next update of them won't likely be 'till August... but still, they need it.

[ryanw]

I get upset everytime I see apple release more hardware with no options for 4 or 8 way systems. Apple has made things very modular to make systems either one cpu or dual cpu systems. They should look at how Sun Microsystems has made their 420R systems VERY flexible to be anything from 1 cpu to 4cpu systems. COMEON APPLE! What's holding you back from making a powermac where you can order it as a 1CPU system. And then order a 2nd CPU for it later or a 3rd, or a 4th. Upgrade ON DEMAND instead of having to buy a whole new system.

Apple could price the CPU modules high enough to where the price of buying a 4 way system out of the gate would be much cheaper than buying the individual modules after the original order.

[varmit]

Woot woot!! Give it up baby.

[g30ffr3y]

this is fantastic news... the sooner the update... the sooner the promised update to dual 3gigs... wooohooo!!! thats when ill get mine...

also... if the new displays do look as nice as they do in the artist rendition... i would love to get a pair of maybe 20"s?!?!? if the 30" comes out hopefully the price will drop on the 20"... or the 23"...

maybe apple will finally send the 17" the way of the 15" and have all widescreen displays!!!

i guess we'll see in the upcoming weeks...

[Dippo]

Hurry it up already. It will be about time for an update.

[trilogic]

Bring it!! And a 30" too!

http://homepage.mac.com/timcox/.Pictures/aluminadisplay.jpg

oh yes yes please

[montecristo]

I was kind of hoping to have an adjustabledisplay, this looks rock solid.

I've heard several people complain about the lack of adjustability, not only for this artist's rendition, but also for the existing displays. I have a laptop so I don't have a separate cinema display, but isn't the third leg in the back adjustable, so you can change the viewing angle? Can someone clarify what they expect from an "adjustable" display?

As for the timing of the release, my guess is that they probably had these displays ready, but have been waiting for the joint release with the upgraded powermacs. My credit card is waiting....

[Viv]

And the Powerbook G5s what about them?

Viv

[Marble]

March 23rd is my birthday, the anniversary of Mac OS X, and the spring equinox. What a special day it will be if they stick these things in there, too!

[0 and A ai]

NICE

ONLY A FEW MORE MONTHS FOR 3 GHZ

[wrldwzrd89]

this is fantastic news... the sooner the update... the sooner the promised update to dual 3gigs... wooohooo!!! thats when ill get mine...
I am interested in seeing updates to the PowerMacs too; I'm not in the market to buy one right now, though. I'm waiting until Jan 2007 to get a PowerMac (I bought my 17" iMac in Jan 2004). Although my little iMac doesn't have a PowerPC G5 in it, it motors right along running 10.3.3.

[gandalf55]

I hope this means prices will generally fall for the other models. I still can't quite afford the $ for one of those Apple Cinema displays.

[NNO-Stephen]

March 23rd is my birthday, the anniversary of Mac OS X, and the spring equinox. What a special day it will be if they stick these things in there, too!

Mac OS X came out March 24th.

[Steven1621]

that would go along with the end of the ram promotion as many have figured in the recent past.

[DrGruv1]

any others waitting for 3.0ghz or are you going rev. b?

can't decide, still using an old 733hz, maybe we'll get the 3.0ghz now! (probably not, but still would be great!) :D

[e2interactive]

I can't wait to see what they look like!!! I hope the 23" drops in price and takes on the new look too! I'll be picking up one of those for sure.

[javabear90]

I've got mula... I hope they are right.
Dual 2.5 ghz with a 30" display here I come!!!!!!! :D

[hayesk]

they need to update the displays... they need to update the PowerMacs... although the next update of them won't likely be 'till August... but still, they need it.

Aside from the styling, why does Apple *need* to update the displays?

[Ge4-ce]

I'm in for a rev. B model..

I saved the money to buy a 23" display togheter with the high-end G5.. awsome combination and I'm waiting for it since January..

I sure hope they arrive fast now.. I really really need it..

[g30ffr3y]

any others waitting for 3.0ghz or are you going rev. b?

can't decide, still using an old 733h, maybe we'll get the 3.0ghz now! (probably no, but still would be great)


im on a 933 quicksilver and it still runs great... i can wait for the dual 3's plus that gives me more time to save up some cash... im just happy to see an update... i hope they are working in the bluetooth module as part of the basic package and not a BTO... also it would be nice if they gave you the wireless mouse and keyboard... at least the 3000.00 for the top of the line shouldnt nickle and dime you for wireless...

[Grimace]

they really don't need to update the displays. price-drop maybe, but the specs of the display aren't likely to change. Unless it's just a form "upgrade"

[gerlitzappel]

I get upset everytime I see apple release more hardware with no options for 4 or 8 way systems. Apple has made things very modular to make systems either one cpu or dual cpu systems. They should look at how Sun Microsystems has made their 420R systems VERY flexible to be anything from 1 cpu to 4cpu systems. COMEON APPLE! What's holding you back from making a powermac where you can order it as a 1CPU system. And then order a 2nd CPU for it later or a 3rd, or a 4th. Upgrade ON DEMAND instead of having to buy a whole new system.

Apple could price the CPU modules high enough to where the price of buying a 4 way system out of the gate would be much cheaper than buying the individual modules after the original order.

I would love to see Apple put out a PM where you can add processors like you do RAM today. You should get a job with Apple and make this happen.

I wish I could afford an Apple Cinema display, although I don't need one for my eMac. My dream system definitely includes a 30".

[g30ffr3y]

they really don't need to update the displays. price-drop maybe, but the specs of the display aren't likely to change. Unless it's just a form "upgrade"


i think its just a matter of asthetics... apple and apple users are used to things matching and looking more like art than just plain computers/monitors... the old displays matched the G4 powermacs... now its time to give them a makeover for the snazzy new aluminum G5's...

[Namacste]

What sweet, sweet timing!

Somehow I don't think the new form factor will match the artist's rendering. Too blasé. Too predictable. I think it will incorporate the grille aesthetic from the PB and front of the G5PM. Sort of a homage to late 60s sport cars.

[legion]

Aside from the styling, why does Apple *need* to update the displays?

The screens themselves are pretty bad compared to the Sonys in the same price range. They have poor contrast ratio and brightness. Viewing angles are also less than impressive. In essence, the screen technology is trapped back to when these displays first came out and the tech sector has made quite a few advances since then.

As for styling, the fact that the current displays have huge bezels and are not height adjustable is a sore point for such expensive displays. Running a multi-monitor system, those bezels make spanning a desktop a really inelegant solution.

[AirUncleP]

If you got the money....Apple's about to have the honey.

Any mention of TV tuners built in?

[gwuMACaddict]

any others waitting for 3.0ghz or are you going rev. b?


DROOOOOOOOOL! :D

REV B HERE I COME

[Namacste]

What sweet, sweet timing!

Somehow I don't think the new form factor will match the artist's rendering. Too blasé. Too predictable. I think it will incorporate the grille aesthetic from the PB and front of the G5PM. Sort of a homage to late 60s sport cars.

Oh, and of course we should hope for better contrast ratio, adjustables, viewing angle and all that good stuff.

[Cochrane]

The artist rendition shows a flatscreen which is at last 10cm (or I think about 4 inch) long. I think we can be all rather sure that that is not exactly the way Apple is going to make it.

[orion123]

As for styling, the fact that the current displays have huge bezels and are not height adjustable is a sore point for such expensive displays. Running a multi-monitor system, those bezels make spanning a desktop a really inelegant solution.

Keep in mind that those pictures are just artist's renditions. The curved feet and color/finish are probably right, but the bezeling and adjustability are unknowns. Arn, how much of the recent display rumor was incorporated into those renditions? (ie: how much of what the guy saw at the presentation is reflected?)

[Mr.Hey]

WooHoo! Yes! Thank you MR I can now live again. ;) What speeds? (sorry didn't read the entire thread, to excited).

[wrldwzrd89]

Oh, and of course we should hope for better contrast ratio, adjustables, viewing angle and all that good stuff.
Do you think Apple is misleading about the viewing angle of their displays? I've experimented with my iMac's display and found that the viewing angle isn't all it's cracked up to be (it's less than the 170 degrees Apple states).

[Naimfan]

Assuming there is not a long wait for them to be shipped, this should get Apple's second quarter off to a good start--seems like there is a fair bit of pent up demand for even faster PMs.

On a side note, it always amuses me to see how excited people are right before an update announcement and how depressed many get once they are actually unveiled...

Best,

Bob

[DJMad]

I hope they come out soon, my startup has been working with apple quite a bit and they are flying us out to SF next week. Maybe if we are lucky we can get one at a discount, and hell it would make a nice TV for the office.

[theHelix]

The screens themselves are pretty bad compared to the Sonys in the same price range. They have poor contrast ratio and brightness. Viewing angles are also less than impressive.

Dude,
Do you even own one?
I highly doubt it because that's just plain rubbish what you say.
Apple HD and Cinema Displays are still among the best in the industry.
I invite you to actually look at and use the Apple displays and not merely just look at the specs.

Cheers!

[silvergunuk]

I'm on a single 400 mhz G4 tower which is kinda slow for the stuff I do. I've calculated that i'll have enough money to buy the dual 3ghz when it comes out. Plus extra for 4 GB of Ram and 2 20 inch displays. Now thats 1 hell of an upgrade.

[montecristo]

I would hope that it has taken Apple this long to update to the aluminum look because they are upgrading the specs too, and improving the technology. If they were just updating the casing/enclosure without any improvements, I will be sorely disappointed -- that would be something they could have done 6 months ago with the new G5s.

[achmafooma]

I've heard several people complain about the lack of adjustability, not only for this artist's rendition, but also for the existing displays. I have a laptop so I don't have a separate cinema display, but isn't the third leg in the back adjustable, so you can change the viewing angle? Can someone clarify what they expect from an "adjustable" display?

As for the timing of the release, my guess is that they probably had these displays ready, but have been waiting for the joint release with the upgraded powermacs. My credit card is waiting....
The current displays are tiltable... as in, they can be tilted up (by pushing back on the top of the display -- the back leg is spring-loaded and folds out ... it's a little awkward, but it works).

That's the only way they adjust for position though.

I've had the 17" for two years. I have not seen a single monitor that crisp or clear on any other computer in those 2 years (except others with Apple displays). Further, I've never needed to "adjust" it. It has such a great viewing angle that it's simply not a problem. Mine just stays in the default position and I use it happily from various angles. No distortion, no troubles.

I am looking forward to updates though, and extra flexibility never hurts. But I don't see a lack of "adjustability" as a major problem, and it wouldn't stop me from buying one if I were in the market for a display right now.

[QCassidy352]

woohoo! I'm in the market for a nice display to go with my PB 12"...

[insidedanshead]

Don't any of you see that "artist rendition" is a G5 turned sideways with a superimposed screen on it.. i mean come on i could have made that in PS in 2.5 minutes.. no lie.. i tried it.. I don't think they will look anything like anyone is expecting.

[machan]

any others waitting for 3.0ghz or are you going rev. b?

can't decide, still using an old 733hz, maybe we'll get the 3.0ghz now! (probably not, but still would be great!) :D


i'm waiting for 3ghz or better. i originally planned to buy a G5 the end of this coming summer, but think i'll wait until about a year from now for whatever is out then. at least by waiting, i'll get more more hard drive space.

[QCassidy352]

also it would be nice if they gave you the wireless mouse and keyboard... at least the 3000.00 for the top of the line shouldnt nickle and dime you for wireless...

that's not possible. You have to set up a bluetooth device to work with a bluetooth-enabled computer. If all they provided you with is bluetooth mouse/ keyboard, you won't have any functioning input devices out of the box, meaning you can't set up the input devices... you need a mouse and keyboard to set up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard; get it?

[Trimix]

Arrrrrrgh, this sucks in a big way
I just did my financial planning for the comapny and now I have to fit in a dual g5 AND 30' display ? Apple, I hate you guys - naw I don't DROOL DROOL DROOL

[arn]

Don't any of you see that "artist rendition" is a G5 turned sideways with a superimposed screen on it.. i mean come on i could have made that in PS in 2.5 minutes.. no lie.. i tried it.. I don't think they will look anything like anyone is expecting.

um.... what do you think "artist rendition" means?

arn

[DrGruv1]

i'm waiting for 3ghz or better. i originally planned to buy a G5 the end of this coming summer, but think i'll wait until about a year from now for whatever is out then. at least by waiting, i'll get more more hard drive space.

don't know how much more I can wait! :)


a rev. b would work really well and I could work faster through the summer, but wow the 980 and 3.0ghz, that would set me up for a few years!!!!

[Namacste]

Assuming there is not a long wait for them to be shipped, this should get Apple's second quarter off to a good start--seems like there is a fair bit of pent up demand for even faster PMs.

On a side note, it always amuses me to see how excited people are right before an update announcement and how depressed many get once they are actually unveiled...

Best,

Bob

Depends who you ask. I for one have an old Sony 19" that I have been using since 1999. Assuming that Apple follows suit and drops prices across the board, this might open the line up to a whole group of consumers.

Some people are always going to complain. Makes you wonder why they bother posting really.

[Grimace]

that's not possible. You have to set up a bluetooth device to work with a bluetooth-enabled computer. If all they provided you with is bluetooth mouse/ keyboard, you won't have any functioning input devices out of the box, meaning you can't set up the input devices... you need a mouse and keyboard to set up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard; get it?
Why couldn't apple "set that up" before it ships??

[agentmouthwash]

I hope Apple makes the display more like (dare I say) Gateway.
Gateway Monitors can also be used as Flat Screen TVs - and they
are making a ton of money selling them as just that. In fact they
are the largest Flat Screen sellers - larger then Sony and Toshiba.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/
had an article about this a few months back.

[klaus]

Why couldn't apple "set that up" before it ships??

and what if something goes wrong and you need to reinstall your machine?
Apple can't afford to rely on the consumer having an additional "normal" keyboard somewhere laying around, gathering dust..

[lyonsden]

March 23rd is the spring equinox.

What world do you live on? On Earth we usually have the spring equinox on March 20th (sometimes as early as the 19 or as late as the 23rd but NEVER on the 23 AFAIK). :cool:

[Darwin]

Looks cool

I wish I had the money for one :D

[MacVault]

Any idea if the Cold Mountain Sweepstakes, the drawing of which is suppose to be drawn on or near March 21, has anything to do with the release of the new Powermacs?

The sweepstakes signup page has been redirected now for a few days to a different page but here's the link it was at, and there's still a little blip on the page about it... http://www.apple.com/go/coldmountain/register/

Just an idea :cool:

[La-d-da]

Let's hope they release a matching keyboard and mouse too.

[allroy]

Because it's true the Apple's use old technology (20" is the exception, better than the others, but still not as good) and are just plain bad comared to the newer LCD's.

Formac 2010
Eizo CG21
Dell Ultrasharp
NEC/Mitsubishi something or other

just to name a few, and I have used/seen them all in a truely color sentive/corrected enviornment.

-j

Dude,
Do you even own one?
I highly doubt it because that's just plain rubbish what you say.
Apple HD and Cinema Displays are still among the best in the industry.
I invite you to actually look at and use the Apple displays and not merely just look at the specs.

Cheers!

[SeaFox]

Now all we need is the freak'n aluminum keyboards and two button/scrolling Pro mice and our computers, supposed epitaphs of exterior style and industrial design, will actually coordinate in all their components.

[legion]

Dude,
Do you even own one?
I highly doubt it because that's just plain rubbish what you say.
Apple HD and Cinema Displays are still among the best in the industry.
I invite you to actually look at and use the Apple displays and not merely just look at the specs.

Cheers!

No, I don't own one, I own five 23" Apple displays. I've replaced 4 of them with Sonys in the last 6 months. I'm guessing you've never seen the competition, dude... :rolleyes:

[legion]

Keep in mind that those pictures are just artist's renditions. The curved feet and color/finish are probably right, but the bezeling and adjustability are unknowns. Arn, how much of the recent display rumor was incorporated into those renditions? (ie: how much of what the guy saw at the presentation is reflected?)

I'm talking about the current displays with my post about the styling of the displays. I don't put any stock in "artist renditions."

[Photorun]

Dude,
Do you even own one?
I highly doubt it because that's just plain rubbish what you say.
Apple HD and Cinema Displays are still among the best in the industry.
I invite you to actually look at and use the Apple displays and not merely just look at the specs.

Cheers!

I work with a Cinema 20 inch all the time, it's technology is pretty good... for 2002. [looks at calendar, checks it]. Though it's size is gorgeous, if you check the specs for almost all monitors, it's woefully out-of-date. Excepting the 23 inch Cinema there's color issues, Formac's monitors (also use) are VASTLY superior in screen quality, brightness, contrast, refresh rates, but then again, they've updated their actual hardware, Apple's is now incredibly lagging. Don't get me wrong, they're very good, but they're definitely not the best, and that's simply not where Apple should be, not for the premium they charge for their displays. And specs DO mean a lot, contrary to your thinking, if other screens have twice as good numbers (and many new ones are), maybe they're not twice as good, but they're certainly better. So bring on the new displays Apple, sooner than later [pulls out wallet].

[swissmann]

I'd love to buy at least a 20" monitor. Here's to hoping that these will come soon and drop prices. I wouldn't mind buying the current 20" or 23" if the prices dropped dramatically. I don't care much about the Power Macs I have a dual 2 G5 and like the speed (and being at the top...for now).

[Photorun]

Because it's true the Apple's use old technology (20" is the exception, better than the others, but still not as good) and are just plain bad comared to the newer LCD's.

Formac 2010
Eizo CG21
Dell Ultrasharp
NEC/Mitsubishi something or other

just to name a few, and I have used/seen them all in a truely color sentive/corrected enviornment.

-j

Ewww.... anything but Dell! Yuck, they deserve our money like Hitler needed a gas oven.

[insidedanshead]

um.... what do you think "artist rendition" means?

arn

I should have clarified a bit more.. I guess I can't believe apple would just take basically the same mold from the G5 turn it sideways and slap a monitor on it... just doesn't seem applelike.

[g30ffr3y]

that's not possible. You have to set up a bluetooth device to work with a bluetooth-enabled computer. If all they provided you with is bluetooth mouse/ keyboard, you won't have any functioning input devices out of the box, meaning you can't set up the input devices... you need a mouse and keyboard to set up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard; get it?


good call... i guess i overlooked that part... but id gladly use my old keyboard and mouse til i got the computer up and running... but thats just me... i realize that apple cant assume everyone has a usb mouse/keyboard to get going... especially switchers... who probably still have ps2 input devices...

[g30ffr3y]

I should have clarified a bit more.. I guess I can't believe apple would just take basically the same mold from the G5 turn it sideways and slap a monitor on it... just doesn't seem applelike.


it looked appropriate nonetheless... i hope they cut down the outside edge though... so dual monitors can look more unified...

[carbonmotion]

guys,
i know you're thinking what im thinking... the prototype looks like crap. i mean if that going in to production, im going to be disappointed with jobs for blotchingn it. its so plain and ordinary... feels like a g5 tower turned on its side (which it is) ...anyways, they better come up with crap better then this to get my money.

[klaus]

Originally posted by MOSR
An anonymous reader confirms new-PowerMac support in 7F44: If you compare /System/Library/SystemProfiler/SPPlatformReporter.spreporter/ Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Localizable.strings between 10.3.2 and 10.3.3, you will see a second PowerMac G5 model listed.


Could somebody confirm this, and paste the actual code difference?

thx alot!

[iRobert]

Now all we need is the freak'n aluminum keyboards and two button/scrolling Pro mice and our computers, supposed epitaphs of exterior style and industrial design, will actually coordinate in all their components.

That'll never happen :)

[serioussmilies]

that's not possible. You have to set up a bluetooth device to work with a bluetooth-enabled computer. If all they provided you with is bluetooth mouse/ keyboard, you won't have any functioning input devices out of the box, meaning you can't set up the input devices... you need a mouse and keyboard to set up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard; get it?

Not with the Apple mouse I have in my hand, turn it on and it links to my pb with bluetooth on startup

[Dahl]

Hope the new screens will come down in price as well! (heh heh, not likely, i know)

But it's about time new PMacs had a speed bump. if G5s will actually reach 3Ghz by year end, they need to get bumpin' (and cheaper please!) :p
Why not a price drop ? They had a nice price drop in prices in the past.
I think there could be a drop in prices, if they bought a huge amount of screens and got a better deal.

[DGFan]

Don't any of you see that "artist rendition" is a G5 turned sideways with a superimposed screen on it.. i mean come on i could have made that in PS in 2.5 minutes.. no lie.. i tried it.. I don't think they will look anything like anyone is expecting.

That's because it *IS* an artist's rendition you silly little boy. I am sure they did whip it up in PS in 2 minutes (much faster than your 2.5). What the rendition is supposed to represent is what someone claims they actually saw. This isn't a case of "expecting" but rather "eye-witness account". RTFA

[page3]

I ordered a Dual G5 + 17" monitor last week from the UK Apple Website. Although it said 'in stock' still nothing has shipped, and now it says 'on or before 19th March'. The old status icons I got when I ordered my G4 don't seem to be used now - my order status is simply 'open' - whatever that means?

Question is: should I cancel it? Will they automatically upgrade it if these rumours come to be true?

[BwanaZulia]

Hey Arn,

Any idea as to what the configurations are going to look like? Speed? Ram? Video cards?

BZ

[agreenster]

YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY!!!

:D :D :D

[afields]

Anybody notice that apple changed their frontpage? Now its a picture of a g5, no update just a bunch of quotes.......interesting

[Chaszmyr]

Aside from the styling, why does Apple *need* to update the displays?


Well it would be nice of the 23'' was as high of quality as the 20''... But aside from that, for all we know the 20'' and 23'' won't change at all (other than appearance, and they will introduce a 30'', and change the 17'' to widescreen

[Chaszmyr]

I ordered a Dual G5 + 17" monitor last week from the UK Apple Website. Although it said 'in stock' still nothing has shipped, and now it says 'on or before 19th March'. The old status icons I got when I ordered my G4 don't seem to be used now - my order status is simply 'open' - whatever that means?

Question is: should I cancel it? Will they automatically upgrade it if these rumours come to be true?

I would cancel it and wait until atleast March 29, no they would not automatically upgrade

[greenstork]

I get upset everytime I see apple release more hardware with no options for 4 or 8 way systems. Apple has made things very modular to make systems either one cpu or dual cpu systems. They should look at how Sun Microsystems has made their 420R systems VERY flexible to be anything from 1 cpu to 4cpu systems. COMEON APPLE! What's holding you back from making a powermac where you can order it as a 1CPU system. And then order a 2nd CPU for it later or a 3rd, or a 4th. Upgrade ON DEMAND instead of having to buy a whole new system.

Apple could price the CPU modules high enough to where the price of buying a 4 way system out of the gate would be much cheaper than buying the individual modules after the original order.

I'm sorry, anyone comparing Apple to a Sun system shouldn't be critiquing PowerMacs. We're talking about different computers for different uses.

[machan]

Anybody notice that apple changed their frontpage? Now its a picture of a g5, no update just a bunch of quotes.......interesting

pushing the old product out the door????

[numediaman]

I've said (over and over) that it would be the 30th, with a small chance it would be the 23rd. Looking at the front page of the Apple site . . . maybe it will be the 23rd (with a small chance it will be the 30th). ;)

Either way, let's get on with it. I want you all to buy new G5s. Then a couple weeks later, after the major bugs have been found, I'll buy one, too!

[machan]

I would cancel it and wait until atleast March 29, no they would not automatically upgrade

they only automatically upgrade when you order within a week or so of a new release. it happened to us a couple years ago here at work. they give you the option to upgrade to the new model or cancel your order. considering we 'upgraded' to a dual 867 windtunnel tower, i wish we had just cancelled it....

[ingenious]

check http://www.apple.com/powermac/ are these the new PMs?

[evetommy]

Hi all,

My first post here so be nice! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'd like to comment on the adjustability question. I'm not sure where you're all from but in Europe ergonomical concerns have been quite a hot topic lately. For instance quite a few ICT government workers & employees have been getting courses on the subject.

What they recommend to employees AND people buying monitors is to buy flatscreens that are adjustable. It's a fact that lots of people complain from RSI, headaches, back- & neckpains... an adjustable screen amongst others could help. Apparently the optimal position for a computer screen is in front of you with the top of the screen at eyehight...

Since Apple hasn't yet got adjustable screens they wouldn't be considered in a growing number of cases.

Ergonomics will probably gain more attention so I think Apple should act on it as much as possible. "I have an Apple computer because it's good for my health..." Wouldn't that be nice!

Suprisingly even the latest Dell flatscreens we bought are adjustable. I wouldn't have thought a company like Dell would sacrifice profit margins for ergonomics.

The current displays are tiltable... as in, they can be tilted up (by pushing back on the top of the display -- the back leg is spring-loaded and folds out ... it's a little awkward, but it works).

That's the only way they adjust for position though.

I've had the 17" for two years. I have not seen a single monitor that crisp or clear on any other computer in those 2 years (except others with Apple displays). Further, I've never needed to "adjust" it. It has such a great viewing angle that it's simply not a problem. Mine just stays in the default position and I use it happily from various angles. No distortion, no troubles.

I am looking forward to updates though, and extra flexibility never hurts. But I don't see a lack of "adjustability" as a major problem, and it wouldn't stop me from buying one if I were in the market for a display right now.

[Naimfan]

Interesting indeed! And it proves the person who said Filemaker was a one week front page item correct. Not that I'm a PM user, but I'd say this makes the 23rd look like a pretty good bet.

Best,

Bob

[sethypoo]

March 23rd is my birthday, the anniversary of Mac OS X, and the spring equinox. What a special day it will be if they stick these things in there, too!

Hey hey, March 23rd is my birthday too!

I forgot it was the anniversary of OS X, thanks for reminding me, and happy birthday!

Also, forget "adjustable" displays! That's not the point! What's the point? 30"!!!!!

[medwards]

Originally posted by MOSR
An anonymous reader confirms new-PowerMac support in 7F44: If you compare /System/Library/SystemProfiler/SPPlatformReporter.spreporter/ Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Localizable.strings between 10.3.2 and 10.3.3, you will see a second PowerMac G5 model listed.



Could somebody confirm this, and paste the actual code difference?

thx alot!

10.3.3 has

<code>
"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";
"PowerMac7,3" = "Power Mac G5";
</code>

and 10.3.2 just has the first line.

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by MOSR



Could somebody confirm this, and paste the actual code difference?

thx alot!



10.3.2 Says

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";

10.3.3 Says

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";
"PowerMac7,3" = "Power Mac G5";


Hope that helps...

[sethypoo]

check http://www.apple.com/powermac/ are these the new PMs?

Those are the same 1.8 and 2.0's we've had for awhile. What did you see?

[Mindfield]

Isn't this starting to be a bit too much, is it? The aluminium casings do look nice, but I'd still prefer a plastic one, which would cost less.

Sincerely
The poor student

[klaus]

he just had us fooled :-)
got me there ;)

@moonlight and medwards : thx for the confirmation..now if only we could have some more details, maybe an easter egg from one of the developers? ;)

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....well, I always had intended on upgrading my desktop this spring, and I just got my tax refund too so the bank account is nicely topped up....sooooooooo.....bring 'em on......oh yeah!

[jsnuff1]

Anybody notice that apple changed their frontpage? Now its a picture of a g5, no update just a bunch of quotes.......interesting

YES confirmation from apple that updates are coming....

[manu chao]

10.3.2 Says

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";

10.3.3 Says

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";
"PowerMac7,3" = "Power Mac G5";


Hope that helps...

The conservative conclusion from that would be that Apple intends to ship new Powermac models before they plan to release 10.3.4, which could be up to three months from now. So, I think it's a very safe bet to say, we have to wait at most three month still... :D

[wdlove]

Anybody notice that apple changed their frontpage? Now its a picture of a g5, no update just a bunch of quotes.......interesting

Yes, I just noticed it prior to visiting Mac Forums. My first thought was, is this our long awaited upgrade. All that I found that was different was the nicely done quotes. So we are still on a wait and see game.

An early Happy B-day March 23rd to Marble & sethypoo. Any Mac purchased planned? Hope that you will enjoy your day. ;)

An early Happy Anniversary to Mac OS X also.

[Jookbox]

I've heard several people complain about the lack of adjustability, not only for this artist's rendition, but also for the existing displays. I have a laptop so I don't have a separate cinema display, but isn't the third leg in the back adjustable, so you can change the viewing angle? Can someone clarify what they expect from an "adjustable" display?



have you ever used an imac? that's what i call an adjustable display.

[StudioGuy]

Let's hope they release a matching keyboard and mouse too.

How about metallic silver...good enough?

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=100&pcount=&Product_Id=168693

Looks like it might be the ticket, and a nicer price :).

[aswitcher]

Finally the drought appears to be coming to an end...

I hope the artist is ready to put usb, firewire etc ports in the monitor pic :p ;)

[Sabbath]

I really don't think Apple needs to adjust the displays too much. Theyre very much a premium product even by apples standard and I think they'll stay that way. If Apple could just change the form factor and maybe up the specs a little, like the response times, then I think they can keep the prices where they are.

More adjustability would be good though. An iMac style screen would be awesome.

[vpalvarez]

I get upset everytime I see apple release more hardware with no options for 4 or 8 way systems. Apple has made things very modular to make systems either one cpu or dual cpu systems. They should look at how Sun Microsystems has made their 420R systems VERY flexible to be anything from 1 cpu to 4cpu systems. COMEON APPLE! What's holding you back from making a powermac where you can order it as a 1CPU system. And then order a 2nd CPU for it later or a 3rd, or a 4th. Upgrade ON DEMAND instead of having to buy a whole new system.

Apple could price the CPU modules high enough to where the price of buying a 4 way system out of the gate would be much cheaper than buying the individual modules after the original order.

Two things

1) Nobody should ever look to SUN for inspiration or guidance, just look where they are.

2) I think that this is unnecessary and would sharply increase costs.

[dex22]

Unusually for Apple, there is a horrible typo in the quoted text. "assitant" instead of "assistant"... (the John Fortt quote)*tsk* The last mistake I spotted was when they mixed up the SPDIF interface labels when the G5's first launched.

Still, getting ready to drop a dime to Apple and get a new machine...

[dieselg4]

The artist's endition is probably a reasonable start, but hopefully they'll thin up the bezel and make it a little "lighter" in character.

[vanmonkey]

As far as this whole adjustability issues goes, the friggin iMac's have the most super adjustable displays ever! Can't we get an aluminum iMac style display on an aluminum tripod or something like that?

I'd buy that for a dollar!

[army_guy]

oh yes yes please

Err what resolution?
and what response time?
Contrast?
Brightness?

Give me the specs.

What I want

1900x1200 minimum
500:1 contrast ratio
250-300cd

then and only then is the 30" viable for me.

10-16ms response time minimum, for a 30" IMO this display will strugle at anything lower than 40-80ms.

[edesignuk]

Great news, and it's about bloody time!!!

...but, as others have said, they really need to make the display adjustable, paying all that money for a screen that can't even be adjusted is a bit silly...I'd still want one though :eek: :D

[edesignuk]

1900x1200 minimum

The current 23" is 1920x1200, I'd expect a lot more from a 30"!

[Frobozz]

COMEON APPLE! What's holding you back from making a powermac where you can order it as a 1CPU system. And then order a 2nd CPU for it later or a 3rd, or a 4th. Upgrade ON DEMAND instead of having to buy a whole new system.

The thing holding them back from that is their xServe initiative. I think it's safe to say Apple isn't going to have a 3 or 4 processor system for pretty obvious reasons. They want users to buy xServes to plug into grid computing.

[Xerxes248]

I really hope and don't think Apple will bring Alum display. Why?

Firstly it will not go with anything else in the product range other than the G5 tower. Apple mice/keyboard/imac/airport none of it will match. Apple is obviously heavily interested in design.

Also, there is no need to update them other than to perhaps make them larger, brighter and better quality. All of these would increase price and not really change anything for Apple. Plus their display are some of the industry's finest, so I doubt they would change them just yet.

Apple's design seems to be Alum mixed with clear plasticy-thingy. I hope they dont go all metal yet, not unless they plan on changing the entire product range.

X

[eric67]

Please Apple , bring something new!!!!!!!!!!
the last announcement was the iPod mini, and after such a long time you hardly find it, even in the US, so I do not want to imagine in Europe, it was planned to be 2-3 month later than in the US, now with more than 100,000 iPod mini ordered, I can expect them in Europe by end of 2004.....
eventhough I coming to the US for business, I will not buy an iPod mini due to the non-international Apple care on those products....it s***s
Apple bring the new PMG5 at 3GHz and you will put Intel on their knees!!

[klaus]

the top model won't be 3ghz, as this would be launched together with a huge presentation and marketing event.. and he said by the summer, don't expect it to be here that soon, they are having difficulties enough having to meet their shipping dates as it is..

don't push it, i'd say

[MacsRgr8]

the top model won't be 3ghz, as this would be launched together with a huge presentation and marketing event.. and he said by the summer, don't expect it to be here that soon, they are having difficulties enough having to meet their shipping dates as it is..

don't push it, i'd say

I agree. Once Apple can demonstrate the power of a Dual 3 GHz G5, you can bet your a$$ that Apple will.
Maybe one of those good ol' Steve (on Mac) vs Phil (on Xeon)....
...
...
... DOOM 3 shoot out!

:D

[oregon_ed]

[QUOTE=theHelix]Dude,
Apple HD and Cinema Displays are still among the best in the industry.

I'm confused. I always heard that CRT's are the best displays. I'm currently using a Sony 21" G520 Trinitron and will upgrade to a 21" or larger when the new G5's get in.

I'm looking for the best display for working in the print medium. I design catalogs, ads, flyers, etc. using InDesign and Illustrator. I do some web design but not much. I'm looking for the sharpest, clearest image possible...can I go ahead and get a flat screen monitor, like one of the Cinema Displays or is the tecnology for crispness and sharpness still superior in CRT's like the various Barco's, Trinitrons, etc?

Thanks!

Ed

[invaLPsion]

check http://www.apple.com/powermac/ are these the new PMs?

I went to the page and didn't see anything new. What did you see? Was there a leak?

[macdong]

My credit card is ready...

and my credit cardd has your name on it.. oops :D
no seriously, my credit card has a label on it says "do not use until PowerBook G5"

[fluidinclusion]

I get upset everytime I see apple release more hardware with no options for 4 or 8 way systems. Apple has made things very modular to make systems either one cpu or dual cpu systems. They should look at how Sun Microsystems has made their 420R systems VERY flexible to be anything from 1 cpu to 4cpu systems. COMEON APPLE! What's holding you back from making a powermac where you can order it as a 1CPU system. And then order a 2nd CPU for it later or a 3rd, or a 4th. Upgrade ON DEMAND instead of having to buy a whole new system.

Apple could price the CPU modules high enough to where the price of buying a 4 way system out of the gate would be much cheaper than buying the individual modules after the original order.

Agreed. I believe that there would be enough interest in quad systems to justify R&D. Lots of people might want it for scientific research, video editing, etc.

[dex22]

Firstly it will not go with anything else in the product range other than the G5 tower. Apple mice/keyboard/imac/airport none of it will match.

The eMac and iMac have built-in monitors. The LCDs only have to match the PowerMacs and PowerBooks, which are all aluminum, and maybe the iBook which has PowerBook-like styling anyway. Mice/keyboards etc are relatively trivial to redesign, and these metal cases certainly have RF advantages.

I suspect the went to the aluminum cases so the G5 microwave emissions didn't render the customer base sterile and doom Apple! ;)

[rjstanford]

Agreed. I believe that there would be enough interest in quad systems to justify R&D. Lots of people might want it for scientific research, video editing, etc.
Besides, there are a lot of other applications where having a nice SMP box (even just 4 processors) is an order of magnitude easier and faster than having a cluster---- of smaller machines. Database servers are the easiest example.

[fluidinclusion]

Mac OS X came out March 24th.


True. I got mine on March 24th too. However, didn't some people get theirs delivered early (23rd)?

[lha72]

Dude,
Do you even own one?
I highly doubt it because that's just plain rubbish what you say.
Apple HD and Cinema Displays are still among the best in the industry.
I invite you to actually look at and use the Apple displays and not merely just look at the specs.

Cheers!

Sorry, but I agree with Legion. I have a Sony 23" SDM-P232W Flat Pannel which I got a year ago for much less than a comparable Apple product, and it's a better display. If you want a good LCD display, you don't have to wait for Apple to get around to releasing one. Same goes for multi-button mouse. There are plenty of other options out there, and they all work with your Mac.

[jtfaria]

Regarding Mac monitors, I'd like to know if anyone else has been thinking along the following lines. Chances are anyone who has or will get a G5 has used an iMac. You take for granted the way those monitors adjust themselves to you. Sitting up straight, slumping, showing something to nearby collegues, standing... the monitor works with you all day/night. It gets out of your way, even, when you need that.

This is a feature I'd want in a big monitor, even more than in a small monitor. I have a 20" iMac. It's a pleasure to use.

OK, so you see where I'm going with this. I'd like a line of future monitors that has this capability. But there's more. You have to have a big base under that montior as a counterbalance. On an iMac, the base holds the guts of the machine. That's irrelevant on a monitor that will be attached to a G5. But that base could ship with removable weights that could hold build-to-order optional drives (Who has enough hard drive space? Nobody, right?). Or DVD burners or whatever. The base would also hold as much of the electronics for the monitor as possible, so it could be made as thin as possible. It would also make handy ports available at easy reach (not on the floor with the G5). There are probably many things that could be done with the base.

To eliminate confusion with an iMac, the base and monitor could compliment the G5's aluminum styling. I like the monitor design being passed around in this forum, it could resemble that sans the little feet. It would essentially look like an aluminum iMac.

It's got what Apple wants in a product these days: it riffs off already successful designs, it's something the PC side doesn't have (I think) and it provides an opportunity to sell marked-up hard drives (like the iPod).

And sure, make a 30" version as well. I'll take one. Any other takers?

Jeff

[dashiel]

Firstly it will not go with anything else in the product range other than the G5 tower. Apple mice/keyboard/imac/airport none of it will match. Apple is obviously heavily interested in design.

Apple's design seems to be Alum mixed with clear plasticy-thingy. I hope they dont go all metal yet, not unless they plan on changing the entire product range.


the G5 is not the only aluminum product in apple's lineup, you also have: 12" powerbook, 15" powerbook, 17" powerbook, iSight, iPod mini. not to mention the questionable use of "brushed aluminum" in the OS itself.

furthermore up until recently there was a pretty clear visual distinction for apple products. consumer products were white: imac, emac, ipod. pro products were grey or metal: tibook, g4, g5, aibooks. then you had crossover products, which seemed to bow in favor of the consumer products, airport, keyboards, mice, etc... mostly logical, consumers more so than businesses are going to be concerned with aesthetics so apple defers to that market when a choice has to be made. curious though that the two newest consumer based products (ipod mini and isight) are using aluminum.

[vtvita]

The three leg frame prohibits the display from adjusting to perfectly vertical. If they can't get perfectcly vertical, then "no sale."

[kjwebb]

Apple Australia have changed the main image on their website (www.apple.com.au) to advertising the G5.

I wonder if this is a sign???

[wolfte]

I have a question. I'm planning to purchase a new G5 and a 20" cinema display from the the ADC Apple store. I need to purchase it very soon because my ADC discount will expire on march 31st. If I put in my order this week and it isn't schedualed to ship until after the 23rd and they update the G5s and displays or lower the prices on the 23rd will i get the upgrade or the lower prices?

[BWhaler]

MacRumors has received word that PowerMac and Display updates are in the final stages and should be released shortly. While we've not received a specific date for updates, previous unconfirmed rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040308095938.shtml) have hinted at March 23rd as the release date. Both PowerMacs (All Dual?) and Apple Displays are expected to be updated simultaneously.

According to sources, the new displays do resemble the recent artist rendition (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040316161433.shtml) of upcoming Aluminum Displays based on a slide seen in a routine Apple presentation -- with monitor feet resembling the PowerMac G5 handles.

About freaking time.

Sales have to be hurting across the Mac line at this point. The pros are waiting for upgrades to the PM, the rest of the desktop line is G4 long in the tooth, and PB's are selling, but even then, those sales will begin to suffer as people get more anxious for the G5.

I have been waiting for a Rev B G5 at 3.0 Ghz, new displays and new wireless keyboards. Six grand for Apple, but only when I see the refresh. I don't need it now, so I can wait.

There are a lot of buyers like me right now.

I was at the Apple store the other day for about an hour and a half. Not one Mac sold. Lots of iPod and iPod related stuff. A few people bought software. Not one Mac, even with a lot of people using them.

Apple needs to kick the product line refresh into high gear. I hope, ironically, that this was just stupid planning and not troubles with IBM or in their manufacturing.

My instinct tells me starting in April we will see some interesting iPod related news, and then starting in June, Apple is going to blow us all away with cool new Macs. Blow us away.

Yes, I am that optimistic in the face of a cold, dry winter.

[BWhaler]

How about metallic silver...good enough?

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=100&pcount=&Product_Id=168693

Looks like it might be the ticket, and a nicer price :).

No way I putting a product with Windows' logos in front of my beautiful new G5.

[AppleJustWorks]

I'm going crazy here......

When they do release the new G5s (rev. b) is the Dual 1.8 going to be priced like the current Single 1.6? I sure hope so.....

I want to buy:

Dual 1.8 GHz G5
1GB DDR400 Ram
20" Cinema Display(whatevers available when i purchase the G5, I do Like that aluminum LCD tho)
160 GB HD
Ati Radeon 9600 Pro
Bluetooth


I'm just getting this system for photo editing, basic video editing, web design, school(can u belive I'm only in 8th grade and I get a G5!!!!!!)

Hope it comes soon!!!!(Preferably when My dad is in a good mood, maybe I'll get a 23".)

[numediaman]

I'm going crazy here......

When they do release the new G5s (rev. b) is the Dual 1.8 going to be priced like the current Single 1.6? I sure hope so.....

I want to buy:

Dual 1.8 GHz G5
1GB DDR400 Ram
20" Cinema Display(whatevers available when i purchase the G5, I do Like that aluminum LCD tho)
160 GB HD
Ati Radeon 9600 Pro
Bluetooth

All this is available now, so buy already. Apple won't release the rev. b G5s until you have bought. You're holding everything up!!!! ;)

[AppleJustWorks]

I'm not getting it until the update because i belive that if the Dual 1.8 is the low-end the prices will drop to the current single 1.6.....I mean they can have the G5 starting at 2600.... :mad:

[clr900]

I hope this means that updates will be announced on the 23rd...if not I will explode. I am ready to give Apple lots of money, but it is up to them to decide when they want it.

[invaLPsion]

I hope this means that updates will be announced on the 23rd...if not I will explode. I am ready to give Apple lots of money, but it is up to them to decide when they want it.

How many times have you said that you will explode? :p

Or was that someone else?

[billefrafra]

"Whether you’re editing a documentary, running a multimedia course, conducting scientific research, or cranking through statistics and mathematical models, the Power Mac G5 introduces a whole new level of performance. And from now until March 26 you can save $200 on a 1.6GHz Power Mac G5 with 256MB of DDR333 128-bit SDRAM, an 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, and a SuperDrive for burning your own CDs and DVDs.* Regularly $1599, you get all this for just $1399 plus all the latest iLife ’04 applications—iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, and the all-new GarageBand. And when you shop at the Apple Store for Education, you get free shipping on all orders over $50. To get your $200 discount on a new 1.6GHz Power Mac G5, click the Redeem Now link below or enter the claim code KSLNUBD5WK when you check out."

Got the above in my mailbox just now from Apple.

[dex22]

"click the Redeem Now link below or enter the claim code KSL****5WK when you check out.".

I would delete that claim code if I were you, or someone else may pinch your discount!

[kgforce]

I've waited this long, I guess I can wait a few more months (Aug/Sep?) for a rev. C (3GHz).

I've got a B&W G3/400 that I've upgraded with a G4/500, ATA/133 PCI card, ATI Radeon 7000, 100GB & 80GB HD, and DVD-ROM. This sucker has lasted a long time, and I figure a dual 3GHz will last me another 4 or 5 years!

I would like a new monitor as well. But unless the new displays have a more flexible adjusting system, I'd buy a 3rd party monitor. One of my monitors is a Samsung SyncMaster 191T, and it's pretty sweet. It will look good next to a G5. I'd like to get a 23" (or larger) to pair it with.

KGFORCE

[clr900]

How many times have you said that you will explode? :p

Or was that someone else?
No it was me. I have not exploded yet but I'm sure I will if the updates aren't announced on the 23rd. :)

[clr900]

"Whether you’re editing a documentary, running a multimedia course, conducting scientific research, or cranking through statistics and mathematical models, the Power Mac G5 introduces a whole new level of performance. And from now until March 26 you can save $200 on a 1.6GHz Power Mac G5 with 256MB of DDR333 128-bit SDRAM, an 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, and a SuperDrive for burning your own CDs and DVDs.* Regularly $1599, you get all this for just $1399 plus all the latest iLife ’04 applications—iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, and the all-new GarageBand. And when you shop at the Apple Store for Education, you get free shipping on all orders over $50. To get your $200 discount on a new 1.6GHz Power Mac G5, click the Redeem Now link below or enter the claim code KSLNUBD5WK when you check out."

Got the above in my mailbox just now from Apple.
What is this supposed to mean? The 26th???! Does this mean no updates until after then??

[StudioGuy]

No way I putting a product with Windows' logos in front of my beautiful new G5.

Ah, I stand corrected, missed that little "windows key". 10**6 pardons!

macminute.com was billing it sort of as an "aluminum" style keyboard, and given the price and the 2nd button, I was intrigued.

now I have to rethink that... :confused:

[jsw]

What is this supposed to mean? The 26th???! Does this mean no updates until after then??

Sorry, man.

Perhaps you should wear your tightest clothes on the 23rd, just to help contain the explosion. Hopefully you'll have recovered by the announcement on the 30th....

[Arcady]

I just received this email from Apple, with a new deal for educational customers:

Whether you’re editing a documentary, running a multimedia course, conducting scientific research, or cranking through statistics and mathematical models, the Power Mac G5 introduces a whole new level of performance. And from now until March 26 you can save $200 on a 1.6GHz Power Mac G5 with 256MB of DDR333 128-bit SDRAM, an 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, and a SuperDrive for burning your own CDs and DVDs.* Regularly $1599, you get all this for just $1399 plus all the latest iLife ’04 applications—iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, and the all-new GarageBand. And when you shop at the Apple Store for Education, you get free shipping on all orders over $50. To get your $200 discount on a new 1.6GHz Power Mac G5, click the Redeem Now link below or enter the claim code KSLPS9JM6G when you check out.

Looks like they are trying to get rid of the 1.6 models in a hurry... :)

[jsw]

Looks like they are trying to get rid of the 1.6 models in a hurry... :)

You almost have to feel sorry for the people who buy them, don't you? :)

But, then, a G5 for $1400 isn't such a bad deal.

Personally, I'm just waiting to see if my dual-2 is slower than all of the new Macs, or just two-thirds of them.

[ghulands]

Smaller Bezel, USB & Firewire. I could not add room for the coffee maker.

http://www.framedphotographics.com/~ghulands/aluminadisplay.jpg

[fluidinclusion]

"Whether you’re editing a documentary, running a multimedia course, conducting scientific research, or cranking through statistics and mathematical models, the Power Mac G5 introduces a whole new level of performance. And from now until March 26 you can save $200 on a 1.6GHz Power Mac G5 with 256MB of DDR333 128-bit SDRAM, an 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, and a SuperDrive for burning your own CDs and DVDs.* Regularly $1599, you get all this for just $1399 plus all the latest iLife ’04 applications—iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, and the all-new GarageBand. And when you shop at the Apple Store for Education, you get free shipping on all orders over $50. To get your $200 discount on a new 1.6GHz Power Mac G5, click the Redeem Now link below or enter the claim code KSLNUBD5WK when you check out."

Got the above in my mailbox just now from Apple.


Especially for someone who is in the academic realm, this puts a decent Powermac into the affordable price range of many academic institutions. Typically, faculty and staff are allowed only to 1. buy NEW machines and 2. keep purchase prices low (usually in the eMac or iMac range). Yes, the 1.6 G5 isn't the greatest machine out there, it will be a wonderful machine for many many people. I remember several years ago when ANYONE would SCREAM FOR JOY at a NEW powermac for $1400 US. Mine was $3200, but it was >$2000 for the single 733, so I bought the dual 800. This $1400 machine is a much better deal than the low end Powermacs have been in the past, in my opinion.

[Dont Hurt Me]

I just received this email from Apple, with a new deal for educational customers:

Whether you’re editing a documentary, running a multimedia course, conducting scientific research, or cranking through statistics and mathematical models, the Power Mac G5 introduces a whole new level of performance. And from now until March 26 you can save $200 on a 1.6GHz Power Mac G5 with 256MB of DDR333 128-bit SDRAM, an 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, and a SuperDrive for burning your own CDs and DVDs.* Regularly $1599, you get all this for just $1399 plus all the latest iLife ’04 applications—iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, and the all-new GarageBand. And when you shop at the Apple Store for Education, you get free shipping on all orders over $50. To get your $200 discount on a new 1.6GHz Power Mac G5, click the Redeem Now link below or enter the claim code KSLPS9JM6G when you check out.

Looks like they are trying to get rid of the 1.6 models in a hurry... :)thats good news, I hope the bottom tier are still on the 90nm process. Apple has a very bad habit of crippling the bottom or lower models. just look at the 1.6 single vs the 1.8. they must think consumers are idiots. I wonder how the lowest G5 will be crippled??? have it come with 128 ram? or how a geforce2mx?? or perhaps just a cd player? I will be very surprised if they dont shoot it in the leg somehow those greedy hardware bastards. I remember when my 733 QS came out they took out the L3. Im sure they will do something to make it less then it could be.

[3.1416]

And from now until March 26 you can save $200 on a 1.6GHz Power Mac G5

Wow, that's as close to a "confirmed" from Apple as we're ever going to see. Looks like it's the 26th or 30th.

I hope the bottom tier are still on the 90nm process.

AFAIK 90 vs 130 nm doesn't make any difference in terms of performance, so there's no reason for Apple not to use the older chips in the low end if they need to clear them out.

[invaLPsion]

Wow, that's as close to a "confirmed" from Apple as we're ever going to see. Looks like it's the 26th or 30th.



AFAIK 90 vs 130 nm doesn't make any difference in terms of performance, so there's no reason for Apple not to use the older chips in the low end if they need to clear them out.

I hope it's the 23rd, because I'm getting really tired of waiting.

But hey, it's only another week... :(

[Dont Hurt Me]

Wow, that's as close to a "confirmed" from Apple as we're ever going to see. Looks like it's the 26th or 30th.



AFAIK 90 vs 130 nm doesn't make any difference in terms of performance, so there's no reason for Apple not to use the older chips in the low end if they need to clear them out.you are wrong, the 90nm means they will run cooler meaning use less power meaning less fan and noise to keep them cool. so you have a computer thats saves a few watts and isnt a wind tunnel.

[billefrafra]

Large text states: "Special memory offer ends March 27th"

"The best time to get a new iMac, Power Mac G4, or Power Mac G5 is right now. For a limited time you can save up to $700 when you power one up to maximum capacity.* Get special RAM upgrades on all qualifying desktop systems when you custom-configure one at the Apple Store by March 27. Save up to $50 on each 256MB RAM module, up to $150 on each 512MB RAM module, or up to $50 on each 1GB RAM module added to your system. And while you’re adding memory to your new Mac, you can tailor your system to your needs by adding a built-in Bluetooth module,** extra internal storage, an AirPort Extreme Card, and more."

The left column lists 3 different special offers that conspiciously end "March 27"th.

The subject line of the email: "Special offers expiring soon."

So, yes, it certainly seems very soon after but definitely not before March 27th. Can't imagine overlapping old deals with new products.

[jsw]

Smaller Bezel, USB & Firewire. I could not add room for the coffee maker.

http://www.framedphotographics.com/~ghulands/aluminadisplay.jpg

I assume the coffee maker's in the back. No need to show it. When you get the time, you might want to add the spigot, which I assume would be visible from the side (don't want to actually have to stand up to get the coffee, now do we?).

:)

[jsw]

...So, yes, it certainly seems very soon after but definitely not before March 27th. Can't imagine overlapping old deals with new products.

Given Apple's propensity for announcing things on Tuesdays, I feel the pain of anyone who buys a Mac after the 27th and before the 30th. Poor bastards...

[clr900]

Especially for someone who is in the academic realm, this puts a decent Powermac into the affordable price range of many academic institutions. Typically, faculty and staff are allowed only to 1. buy NEW machines and 2. keep purchase prices low (usually in the eMac or iMac range). Yes, the 1.6 G5 isn't the greatest machine out there, it will be a wonderful machine for many many people. I remember several years ago when ANYONE would SCREAM FOR JOY at a NEW powermac for $1400 US. Mine was $3200, but it was >$2000 for the single 733, so I bought the dual 800. This $1400 machine is a much better deal than the low end Powermacs have been in the past, in my opinion.
But after the updates?? Assuming the lowest model is still priced at 1800, it will certainly be better, probably a dual. With the student discount it is 1600 and if you take out the superdrive you drop it to almost 1400 and you are getting a much better computer. We will have to see what they announce but 1400 will probably not be hard to get after the updates for a better computer. Let's face it, Apple is trying to sucker in consumers into clearing out stock of their crappy computers.

[MrCommunistGen]

I'm just getting this system for photo editing, basic video editing, web design, school(can u belive I'm only in 8th grade and I get a G5!!!!!!)

Hope it comes soon!!!!(Preferably when My dad is in a good mood, maybe I'll get a 23".)

Kid, you're dad must have too much money lying around! :D

I've been working my but off since this summer to get $ for a new mac, but I need a car first (I'm 16) :( , and no my parents won't pay for any of it. unfortunately, a couple months ago I just HAD to buy the parts to finish our home theatre system that I've been working on for over a year :p so that set me back quite a bit... now I'm just rambling... WHY CAN'T I BE MORE LUCKY!!? :confused:

-MCG

[Awimoway]

I really hope and don't think Apple will bring Alum display. Why?

Firstly it will not go with anything else in the product range other than the G5 tower. Apple mice/keyboard/imac/airport none of it will match. Apple is obviously heavily interested in design.

Also, there is no need to update them other than to perhaps make them larger, brighter and better quality. All of these would increase price and not really change anything for Apple. Plus their display are some of the industry's finest, so I doubt they would change them just yet.

Apple's design seems to be Alum mixed with clear plasticy-thingy. I hope they dont go all metal yet, not unless they plan on changing the entire product range.

X


Apple is very style-conscious, and love it or hate it (I hate it--it seems like attention-deficit disorder to me), the style-conscious tire very easily with the way things look. Designers show no mercy with redesigns--they seem to take an almost perverse pleasure in introducing radical new designs that make the last one seem so dreadfully passé that you're embarrassed by the very sight of it. In this way, capitalism strings the consumer along, convincing them that a perfectly functional thing is not only worthless, it's offensive to the eyes and must be replaced with another product that is essentially identical in all but the most superficial ways. It's the art of creating desire out of nothing and it fuels a great deal of our modern economy.

Remember that Apple, like any good business, is not your friend: it's your ally. It won't bend over backwards in a self-sacrificing way for your benefit. Rather, it has its own self-interest at heart. But it cannot survive without your cooperation, so it will try to please you to an extent, but not at the expense of its core interests. This is more like an ally--you can't always trust it, but it is on your side when you have a mutual interest. Therefore, it will try to create mutual interests by offering you well-designed products, but the primary reason for this is to get your money, not to make your life better--that's just a happy accident.

My point? I expect the new displays to look mercilessly different from the current generation. Apple doesn't care if it matches your PowerMac G3. They want you to buy a G5 anyway.

[Mercury]

any others waitting for 3.0ghz or are you going rev. b?

can't decide, still using an old 733hz, maybe we'll get the 3.0ghz now! (probably not, but still would be great!) :D

Me too. I can't decide whether to go ahead and get whatever the top of the line is or try to hold out for the 3 ghz. Also, since I'm planning long term, what monitor...

This time, I'm not making the mistake of not getting AppleCare...

[aswitcher]

My point? I expect the new displays to look mercilessly different from the current generation. Apple doesn't care if it matches your PowerMac G3. They want you to buy a G5 anyway.

I agree. I wonder if there will be a mounting bracket at the back to assist fixing to an arm of some sort....

[themadchemist]

any others waitting for 3.0ghz or are you going rev. b?

can't decide, still using an old 733hz, maybe we'll get the 3.0ghz now! (probably not, but still would be great!) :D
Depends. I'm on a 400 MHz G4 Gigabit Ethernet right now, circa 2000. If I can scrounge up the cash I'm going to get the best G5 available so I can enjoy a moment of glory with a super-duper fast computer.

Plus, it's really starting to lag when I've got 10 apps open. I want it to be lightning fast.

Plus, student developer discount.

Plus, maybe tax-deduction for my business.

[3.1416]

you are wrong, the 90nm means they will run cooler meaning use less power meaning less fan and noise to keep them cool. so you have a computer thats saves a few watts and isnt a wind tunnel.

Good point. I didn't think of that since my dual 2.0 at work is quieter than my upgraded Sawtooth. Still, if that's the only way the low-end is "crippled" I wouldn't mind. I can't imagine Apple sticking with the 4 memory slots/DDR333/no PCI-X motherboard for the next rev.

[3.1416]

I can't decide whether to go ahead and get whatever the top of the line is or try to hold out for the 3 ghz.
I know I don't want to go through 3 more months of "maybe next week?" this summer/fall. Besides, in January 2006 when the dual-core G6 comes out, you'll want to sell whatever G5 you have anyway :)

This time, I'm not making the mistake of not getting AppleCare...
The house always wins with extended warranties...

[aswitcher]

The current 23" is 1920x1200, I'd expect a lot more from a 30"!

Well obviously native should be the limit of the current hi end graphics card...2048 x 1536

[vpalvarez]

Dude,
Do you even own one?
I highly doubt it because that's just plain rubbish what you say.
Apple HD and Cinema Displays are still among the best in the industry.
I invite you to actually look at and use the Apple displays and not merely just look at the specs.

Cheers!

Apple uses the LG Electronics display and, although being very good, it is by no means the best in the industry, although I wouldn't want to pay for the best when the Apple displays are good 'nuff. The New line should sport all Widescreen and more HD

[vpalvarez]

Kid, you're dad must have too much money lying around! :D

I've been working my but off since this summer to get $ for a new mac, but I need a car first (I'm 16) :( , and no my parents won't pay for any of it. unfortunately, a couple months ago I just HAD to buy the parts to finish our home theatre system that I've been working on for over a year :p so that set me back quite a bit... now I'm just rambling... WHY CAN'T I BE MORE LUCKY!!? :confused:

-MCG

I feel your plight, except add to that that I'm 19 and paying for 100% of all my college expenses at SFSU, hopefully it builds character

[Xerxes248]

I see your point, but the problem is that an Alum display will not go with anything other than the G5. None of the Apple periphals, even new ones like mice/key/airport are Alum. Even the iSight which is Alum has a plastic base.

Seems a real mis-match to me, but as you say they're in it to make money!


Apple is very style-conscious, and love it or hate it (I hate it--it seems like attention-deficit disorder to me), the style-conscious tire very easily with the way things look. Designers show no mercy with redesigns--they seem to take an almost perverse pleasure in introducing radical new designs that make the last one seem so dreadfully passé that you're embarrassed by the very sight of it. In this way, capitalism strings the consumer along, convincing them that a perfectly functional thing is not only worthless, it's offensive to the eyes and must be replaced with another product that is essentially identical in all but the most superficial ways. It's the art of creating desire out of nothing and it fuels a great deal of our modern economy.

Remember that Apple, like any good business, is not your friend: it's your ally. It won't bend over backwards in a self-sacrificing way for your benefit. Rather, it has its own self-interest at heart. But it cannot survive without your cooperation, so it will try to please you to an extent, but not at the expense of its core interests. This is more like an ally--you can't always trust it, but it is on your side when you have a mutual interest. Therefore, it will try to create mutual interests by offering you well-designed products, but the primary reason for this is to get your money, not to make your life better--that's just a happy accident.

My point? I expect the new displays to look mercilessly different from the current generation. Apple doesn't care if it matches your PowerMac G3. They want you to buy a G5 anyway.

[moofdog]

I'm after advice. I saved for ages and finally convinced myself I could buy a 1.6Ghz G5 PM. So I bought it (GBP1400). Now with these updates coming out - and I bought just before rumor got going - I'm worried that I made a silly decision.

Basically what's the likelihood that post updates I'll get more for that money. Bear in mind that was the ceiling of what I was prepared to spend - so if concencus is that the updates will not replace the 1.6 at a similar price, then I'm happy. What form does apple have for that? Ie do they just replace a whole range at a similar price. I thought they tended to add at the top and let things shift down slowly.

If I couldn't get more for my money, what drop in 1.6 prices are we likely to see - ie how much could I save. I bought from a store so I do have the option of returning it (though I'd rather not have to).

Oppinions welcome on what I should do.

[rdowns]

I'm after advice. I saved for ages and finally convinced myself I could buy a 1.6Ghz G5 PM. So I bought it (GBP1400). Now with these updates coming out - and I bought just before rumor got going - I'm worried that I made a silly decision.

Basically what's the likelihood that post updates I'll get more for that money. Bear in mind that was the ceiling of what I was prepared to spend - so if concencus is that the updates will not replace the 1.6 at a similar price, then I'm happy. What form does apple have for that? Ie do they just replace a whole range at a similar price. I thought they tended to add at the top and let things shift down slowly.

If I couldn't get more for my money, what drop in 1.6 prices are we likely to see - ie how much could I save. I bought from a store so I do have the option of returning it (though I'd rather not have to).

Oppinions welcome on what I should do.

Apple has historically released new models at the same or similar price points of the models they replace. Prices are rarely lower. They tens to keep prices the same and add more features (i.e. faster optical drive, bigger HD, new video).

Chances are, if PMs are updated soon, you would get quite a bit more bang for your buck, er, pound.

I say keep the damn thing. You obviously want and/or need it;you decided it met your needs. Or you could jump on the Apple buying paralysis bandwagon and wait for the rumored new models. Don't forget that Steve promised us 3 GHz within the next 6 months. Maybe you should wait for that. Then again, the G6 could appear in early 2005.

[Mercury]

I know I don't want to go through 3 more months of "maybe next week?" this summer/fall. Besides, in January 2006 when the dual-core G6 comes out, you'll want to sell whatever G5 you have anyway :)


The house always wins with extended warranties...

Oy...I'll probably be going through that even after I buy it. For a while after I got the 733, I was hoping they wouldn't come out with new things for a while so I would be top of the line for a bit longer. Of course, I also made the mistake of not upgrading the graphics card for a reasonable price when I could...

I'm afraid I definitely am going to get the AppleCare this time. Last time, my :mad: IBM deskstar(apparently the brother of the model they recalled...) died several times, a bit after I was out of AppleCare, taking three or four papers due that week due with it. I booted it up and it gave me the blinking question mark of doom. I booted up off the CD and found out that mysteriously half of my files had disappeared more or less spontaneously(overnight, it would seem). Last year, my beautiful beatiful 17" Apple CRT, the last one they ever made, died. I don't know whether it shorted out or what, but it stopped working and just makes a clicking sound when connected to power. Since then I've been using the same IBM drive reluctantly, and a crappy 19" ViewSonic CRT. I can't wait to get my hands on a brand new Apple LCD...

[centauratlas]

from 10.3.3: /System/Library/SystemProfiler/SPPlatformReporter.spreporter/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Localizable.strings

Shows the following support (summarized):
2 different PM G5s.
Do they view the single and dual G5s as different machines or does this indicate support for the upcoming G5s? (Unfortunately, I didn't keep a copy of my 10.3.2 version around, anyone?). Given the modification date of that file, I think it is showing the NEW G5s.

NO PB G5s (I am not sure how many PB G4s were listed in 10.3.2 either). If the rumors about a quick 10.3.4 update for any bugs in 10.3.3 are correct, that may not be indicative of a lot).

---------------
Here is the long version:
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/* in Open Firmware to the
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/* xserve */
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"iMac,1" = "iMac";

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[garybooberry]

I received an e-mail from Apple this morning specifically stating:

"Save up to 200.00 on any Power Mac"

(This is with an educational discount, but it did not mention any other products in the Apple line.)

[klaus]

I received an e-mail from Apple this morning specifically stating:

"Save up to 200.00 on any Power Mac"

(This is with an educational discount, but it did not mention any other products in the Apple line.)

Other people also reported they were offered extra discounts on edu prices for the powermac.

But if you decide to go with the offer and order a powermac rev A. Then this would mean your order will certainly not be replaced by a rev B powermac if this arrives within a week or two. Cause otherwise they would only hurt themselves..(lower price for a brandnew spanking g5 rev B)

Klaus

[Rustus Maximus]

Apple Australia have changed the main image on their website (www.apple.com.au) to advertising the G5.

I wonder if this is a sign???

Perhaps a small clue at the Australian Apple site. Click the Trade up info box in lower right hand corner. It appears the Trade up to G5 offer is good through Friday, March 26th. Perhaps an indication that the new G5's will be released on the 30th. Seems like they are trying to push out that old G5 inventory.

[garybooberry]

In reference to the educational e-mail I posted:

I'm definitely not ordering before the Rev. B's are out.

I am (naively) hoping for a good price point on a dual 1.8 revision as the entry model.

We'll see what happens. :confused:

[javabear90]

I think apple is trying to get rid of their stock by giving discounts, also the new front page on apple.com is probably trying to encourage sales. so.....

[skunkburner]

**newbie-like question alert**

When I've bought Macs in the past, I've never taken into consideration when new models were going to come out. Yeah, stupid me. I just bought when I saw a good price and needed one. Like how I buy toothpaste.

But now I really need a new computer and would like to get a G5, but I *am* tempted to wait until these new models come out. However, if they're announced in the next couple of weeks, will they actually be *available* at the same time? Or will I have to wait for availability? Usually how long is the wait, if there is one?

And does anyone know if new models come out at the same time in Canada, where I'm from?

[Frobozz]

I'm after advice. I saved for ages and finally convinced myself I could buy a 1.6Ghz G5 PM. So I bought it (GBP1400). Now with these updates coming out - and I bought just before rumor got going - I'm worried that I made a silly decision.

Basically what's the likelihood that post updates I'll get more for that money. Bear in mind that was the ceiling of what I was prepared to spend - so if concencus is that the updates will not replace the 1.6 at a similar price, then I'm happy. What form does apple have for that? Ie do they just replace a whole range at a similar price. I thought they tended to add at the top and let things shift down slowly.

If I couldn't get more for my money, what drop in 1.6 prices are we likely to see - ie how much could I save. I bought from a store so I do have the option of returning it (though I'd rather not have to).

Oppinions welcome on what I should do.

Keep what you have. You're buying for the wrong reasons. Ask yourself the only question that matters: does the computer you bought do the things you bought it for? That is, given your budget, is it fast enough, burn enough CD/DVD formats, have enough memory, have the best OS, play the games you want, surf the web well enough, etc.

Bottom line-- even if you packed up the one you have now, and upgraded to a 1.8 GHz low end machine in a couple weeks, it will be NO MORE than 6 months until your newer machine is just as obsolete.

I have a dual 1 GHz Quicksilver. It does everything I need. I will want more rendering speed for 3D Modeling,and better game performance, in the future. But I am very happy with it. Much better longevity than my G4/400 that I had last. You should be happy with your G5.

The ONLY thing I could see that would change your mind is if you thought the new low end machine would be a DUAL 1.8 GHz (for example). If you need a dual (it makes a big difference at times), then maybe you have a point.

[moofdog]

Keep what you have. You're buying for the wrong reasons. Ask yourself the only question that matters: does the computer you bought do the things you bought it for? That is, given your budget, is it fast enough, burn enough CD/DVD formats, have enough memory, have the best OS, play the games you want, surf the web well enough, etc.


That's what I kept telling myself. And I am very pleased with the machine (though obviously would have liked to be able to afford more bang-for-buck). It was precisely the thought that a 1.8 might be avaliable for the same price that got me a little nervous. I'm anticipating no 1CPU machines in the range, and that 1.8 will be the entry model. However, I'm not convinced that they'll put a dual 1.8 in place where a single 1.6 was for the same cash. They might. But I doubt it. If it happens, I'll be mad for not having waited (I do fairly hefty rendering stuff so more CPU is always good). If it costs even 200 more that my 1.6 did, then nevermind. We will see.

[Uragon]

What a news (rumour news). I couldn't wait, ended up buying onkyo reciever / dvd player and 5.1 audio pro speakers just 2 days ago, that was meant for the new g5. ....

[djbahdow01]

Tomshardware.com has just posted that AMD has just released information on thier 2.4 GHZ processor. Says they now regain the processor performance war. Now that AMD has released the 2,4 will apple be up next considering AMD is also working with IBM. Also the article points out that the AMD 3.0GHZ processor is not slated for relese to the public until 4th Quarter 2004. Could be a wait for the G5 at 3GHz.
Jut my 2 cents.

Edit: Heres the link http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040318/index.html

[StudioGuy]

Not only have they fixed the prior spelling error on the front page (US version, AU is still the old version), but the dual graphics now bounce back & forth with dissolves instead of together. Definitely easier to read.

Now all we need is that one last update :D

[army_guy]

The current 23" is 1920x1200, I'd expect a lot more from a 30"!

Exactly, I was refering to a new 23".

The 30 would have to have somin alot higher otherwise it will look strange.

[ingenious]

Perhaps a small clue at the Australian Apple site. Click the Trade up info box in lower right hand corner. It appears the Trade up to G5 offer is good through Friday, March 26th. Perhaps an indication that the new G5's will be released on the 30th. Seems like they are trying to push out that old G5 inventory.


http://apple.com has the same thing. this has been discussed before.

[Mehmet]

No, I don't own one, I own five 23" Apple displays. I've replaced 4 of them with Sonys in the last 6 months. I'm guessing you've never seen the competition, dude... :rolleyes:

Ownage. to the max.

:D

[aswitcher]

Perhaps a small clue at the Australian Apple site. Click the Trade up info box in lower right hand corner. It appears the Trade up to G5 offer is good through Friday, March 26th. Perhaps an indication that the new G5's will be released on the 30th. Seems like they are trying to push out that old G5 inventory.

Wow, I really hope that this means we will see new hardware! Its getting old waiting.

[page3]

Well, my Dual 1.8 G5 with 17" monitor was ordered last Friday from the Apple UK website. It stated 3 days to build, but as of 7:00pm today (ie: 7 days later) nothing has yet shipped. Perhaps they are waiting until new hardware on Tuesday...

[Music-Producer]

I have pretty solid and reliable information from Nov 2003 regarding the product launches to take place this year. I didn't post anything on macrumors.com though as I was a bit skeptical ( I always am ) but uptil now they have been accurate (except for the ipod mini). When macrumors.com announced a rumor about an ipod with a video out port I was convinced that this report is essentially true. Here we go:

1.8 Ghz PowerMac G5 - $1599
Dual 2 Ghz PowerMac G5 ( I dont like typing Power PeeCee!) - $2299
Dual 2.4 Ghz PowerMac G5 - $2999

All the HDDs will be SATA 150.

As for the displays:

Cinema HD Display : 20 " $999
Cinema HD Display : 23 " $1499

NEW Cinema HD Display : 25 " $2999

PowerMac G4 will be End of Life.

This same report writes about the launch of the Xserve G5 in Feb 2004..and this was given to me in Nov 2003.

To get you guys crazy even more so:

Aug-Dec 2005:

20 GB iPod : $99
40 GB iPod AV : $199
60 GB iPod AV : $399

The PowerBook G5s will be launched during the WWDC keynote in Jun 2004 .. only 2 models:

15" 1.8 ghz G5 PBook - $2499 -60 GB SATA 150 Drive+Superdrive+512 Mb Ram
17" 2 ghz G5 PBook - $2999

Now lets see if this comes true..if it does, then I know whats coming out in 2006 :D

[Namacste]

Interesting...twice as much for 2 extra inches of real estate. Must be some crazy rez specs.


As for the displays:

Cinema HD Display : 20 " $999
Cinema HD Display : 23 " $1499

NEW Cinema HD Display : 25 " $2999

[Music-Producer]

Interesting...twice as much for 2 extra inches of real estate. Must be some crazy rez specs.


As for the displays:

Cinema HD Display : 20 " $999
Cinema HD Display : 23 " $1499

NEW Cinema HD Display : 25 " $2999

The 23 " Cinema HD Display has a resolution of 1920x1200
The 25 " Cinema HD Display has a resolution of 2560x1600

I guess that probably explains it

[MrSugar]

The 23 " Cinema HD Display has a resolution of 1920x1200
The 25 " Cinema HD Display has a resolution of 2560x1600

I guess that probably explains it


That gap seems too big for just 2 inches, I run a dual 17" setup right now that has a res width of 2560. To get that on one monitor, even a 25", it would be nuts.

[aswitcher]

The 23 " Cinema HD Display has a resolution of 1920x1200
The 25 " Cinema HD Display has a resolution of 2560x1600

I guess that probably explains it

Mmm. Ok your got a screen response? Bezelform factor design info (ports?)?

[Music-Producer]

No other info on ports..just the size, res and the price.

Mac World Boston 2005 (Jul 2005) reports a SuperDrive HC (High Capacity) : 27 GB of storage space on a single disc.

[aswitcher]

I have pretty solid and reliable information from Nov 2003 regarding the product launches to take place this year. I didn't post anything on macrumors.com though as I was a bit skeptical ( I always am ) but uptil now they have been accurate (except for the ipod mini). When macrumors.com announced a rumor about an ipod with a video out port I was convinced that this report is essentially true. Here we go:

SNIP

To get you guys crazy even more so:

Aug-Dec 2005:

20 GB iPod : $99
40 GB iPod AV : $199
60 GB iPod AV : $399

SNIP
Now lets see if this comes true..if it does, then I know whats coming out in 2006 :D

On this thread you said iPods 2004... http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=757894#post757894

Do you mean 2004 and then 2005...or 2005 and then 2006 as you have here...

[Music-Producer]

On this thread you said iPods 2004... http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=757894#post757894

Do you mean 2004 and then 2005...or 2005 and then 2006 as you have here...

For the iPods its 2005. Not 2004 or 2006. This is my first time posting on macrumors.com..was a typo.

[invaLPsion]

I'm going to have to go for NeatGekko on this one. With his prediction of four models and high clock speeds. Plus he has a relatively good source.

[invaLPsion]

I hope the you are incorrect with your predictions, producer. I was hoping for faster processor speeds on the powermacs. (1.8 2.0 and 2.4 seem low, espcecially middle end). I do, however, like the price on the middle end which is what I would buy when rev B comes out. With that said, I don't like the speed. Also, with the lineup you have the price for the high end is WAY too high. It just seems like a horrible lineup. It would be better if the high end was $2599-$2799. That would make more sense.

Any word on graphics cards for the new powermacs? 128mb vram? (PLZ)

[numediaman]

Neatgekko, not that name again! I remember that last time you brought that name up. Remember that "inside information"?

Forget about price reductions for new computers -- why would Apple introduce new G5s at lower prices? Your best bet is lower priced displays (though I don't see that Apple has much of a history of that, either).

We're now at the end of March, so if people want a lower priced G5, there seems a good chance we are closer to a G5 iMac. My hope is that Apple will dump the current 1.6 & 1.8 chips into iMacs, make all the PowerMacs dual, and have the low end be 2.0 (or higher). let's hope we find out soon.

[Music-Producer]

Neatgekko, not that name again! I remember that last time you brought that name up. Remember that "inside information"?

Forget about price reductions for new computers -- why would Apple introduce new G5s at lower prices? Your best bet is lower priced displays (though I don't see that Apple has much of a history of that, either).

We're now at the end of March, so if people want a lower priced G5, there seems a good chance we are closer to a G5 iMac. My hope is that Apple will dump the current 1.6 & 1.8 chips into iMacs, make all the PowerMacs dual, and have the low end be 2.0 (or higher). let's hope we find out soon.

Its in Apple's best interest to make the G5 as affordable as ever for all consumers..not only for professionals. From the information that I have, the iMac G5 does not come out until MacWorld Boston - Jul 2005:

iMac G5:

17 " 3 Ghz PowerPC 975+
512 mb ram
128 mb ATI Radeon 9300 Pro
180 GB HDD
SuperDrive HC (27 GB on 1 Disc)
all this for $1299

The 20" imac goes to 3.5 Ghz and 240 GB HDD for $1499

I just wish they could release these currently, instead of following a routine gradual launch of products.

[aswitcher]

Its in Apple's best interest to make the G5 as affordable as ever for all consumers..not only for professionals. From the information that I have, the iMac G5 does not come out until MacWorld Boston - Jul 2005:

iMac G5:

17 " 3 Ghz PowerPC 975+
512 mb ram
128 mb ATI Radeon 9300 Pro
180 GB HDD
SuperDrive HC (27 GB on 1 Disc)
all this for $1299

The 20" imac goes to 3.5 Ghz and 240 GB HDD for $1499

I just wish they could release these currently, instead of following a routine gradual launch of products.

Whoa. Late 2005 you say but NO G5 iMac this year. Mmm. I find this hard to believe...and look at those performance figures...pretty cool if true.

Any further claims of detail of bus, ram configuration (4 slots?), form factor...?

[numediaman]

Its in Apple's best interest to make the G5 as affordable as ever for all consumers..not only for professionals.

We've been saying that for years and years. Hasn't happened so far.

I think I posted a while ago that I bought my 8600 seven years ago. It was the middle price point. Guess what? That middle price point is exactly where it was seven years ago. Computers change, Apple prices stay the same -- give or take a hundred dollars or so.

Only when models are discontinued, or moved down the ladder (like the G4) do prices seem to change.

[djbahdow01]

With Apple supposedly naming the eMac and iMac end of life, wouldn't that warrant that updates are soon for those. Why would they want to wait till mid '05 to bring out a product that will be behind the times once again (except for the Superdrive HC which would be great). Luckily i am patiently waiting for the rev b PM to come out and it seems updates are imminent. Really wish i could start doing some large photoshop projects with out being able to go eat dinner and still be waiting for it to finally finish the one fix i make. This PIII Dell really needs the break from the work im doing.

[invaLPsion]

I can't believe that your source would give you all this information about upcoming products. My bet is that nobody knows what the prices will be then or even what technologies will be available in 2005. Radeon 9300? I don't think so.......

Has to be completely false. iMac G5s will come this year, I'm guessing at WWDC.

[invaLPsion]

Neatgekko, not that name again! I remember that last time you brought that name up. Remember that "inside information"?
soon.

That infrmation that I got from him seemed good to me. only time will tell if his predictions come true. Dates change, specs do not.

Gekko's Specs:
1.up to 3Ghz
2. four models
3. high price for 3Ghz model

[clr900]

I highly doubt they would have a single 1.8 at 1600. It would make much more sense to go dual across the line and have a dual 1.8 at slightly higher price like 1800. Dual 1.8 for 1800 is what I would buy but if they only had a single 1.8 I would feel like I needed more but probably would not want to spend an extra seven hundred dollars. Price differences seem too large.

[aswitcher]

I can't believe that your source would give you all this information about upcoming products. My bet is that nobody knows what the prices will be then or even what technologies will be available in 2005. Radeon 9300? I don't think so.......

Has to be completely false. iMac G5s will come this year, I'm guessing at WWDC.

I tend to agree. Its going to be a great 20th anniversary year for the Mac or some such from Jobs in January...has to be a new iMac to do that paraphrased claim justice...

[Dont Hurt Me]

That infrmation that I got from him seemed good to me. only time will tell if his predictions come true. Dates change, specs do not.

Gekko's Specs:
1.up to 3Ghz
2. four models
3. high price for 3Ghz modelneatgekko is not a prophet and he has chewed off several limbs by now and is on medicaid.his predictions did not show for jan,feb and march.

[djbahdow01]

When ever Apple decides to update the G5 is fine with me. I am in no rush as i am just waiting on the money i have now. The only thing i worry about right now is that i don't spend it on anything else i need in the next few months. My next purchase after my first apple product which will be the G5 PM rev B is a Nikon D70 digital camera. Once my money goes to apple for the PM i start saving again for the camera.

[invaLPsion]

neatgekko is not a prophet and he has chewed off several limbs by now and is on medicaid.his predictions did not show for jan,feb and march.

Boy, I heard somewhere that there's an extremely good chance of powermacs coming out the 23rd or 30th of March? I just can't remember where I heard that from. hmmmmmmm :rolleyes:

[nato55]

I just recently got a 20" cinema display new, with applecare which I purchased for my powerbook. I am within the 10 day return limit, and I am wondering if I should return it in hopes of getting one of the new monitors. I wonder if the price will drop on the 23", and will its image quality be up to par with that of the current 20". Any ideas wether I would be able to get my applecare transfered to the new monitor if I am to return this one? Also, I got a good deal, with education + an extra 100 off for a stuck pixel. Any comments would be appreciated.

[aswitcher]

I just recently got a 20" cinema display new, with applecare which I purchased for my powerbook. I am within the 10 day return limit, and I am wondering if I should return it in hopes of getting one of the new monitors. I wonder if the price will drop on the 23", and will its image quality be up to par with that of the current 20". Any ideas wether I would be able to get my applecare transfered to the new monitor if I am to return this one? Also, I got a good deal, with education + an extra 100 off for a stuck pixel. Any comments would be appreciated.

So PowerBook Applecare will cover an external monitor bought at the same time...mmm

Can't answer your question though...

[Ge4-ce]

I just recently got a 20" cinema display new, with applecare which I purchased for my powerbook. I am within the 10 day return limit, and I am wondering if I should return it in hopes of getting one of the new monitors. I wonder if the price will drop on the 23", and will its image quality be up to par with that of the current 20". Any ideas wether I would be able to get my applecare transfered to the new monitor if I am to return this one? Also, I got a good deal, with education + an extra 100 off for a stuck pixel. Any comments would be appreciated.

Well you can always try it offcourse.. It is a bit unfair actually. The 10 day return limit is for if you don't like the product you have bought. It depends on what store you are, and how nice the people at that store are. We have a shop of our own, and we sometimes have customers that also want a just released new product that came out just a week after they bought theirs. Bad luck is what I call that. We often don't know when products arrive and therefor, whe don't take them back. Or we take them back as a used one, and they have to pay a supplement for the new model and we sell the other one as a used one.

Really depends on the store, but from my point of view, you should have waited for new displays when you wanted a new model. Now, it's a bit too late for that. But trust me. I know exactly how you feel. I bought a 3000 $ Powerbook Ti just 2 weeks before the new 17" model arrived. I was not able to turn it in for a trade either. and BTW, we still don't know IF and WHEN the new displays will arrive

[nato55]

I understand your point Ge4-ce. But remember I would be paying a $130 open box return fee, which technically should recover their cost of selling an open box product. And you are probably right that I should have been patient for new displays before buying this one--at the time though the march 23rd -30th dates had not been rumored though.

Either way I will be happy, because I like my current monitor. I guess I would be a little less happy if there were a drastic price reduction on the newer monitors, or if they release a 23" with picture quality as good as the 20" I now have. I think I will let this one go, and if I am blown away by the new monitors, there is allways ebay.

[wdlove]

I understand your point Ge4-ce. But remember I would be paying a $130 open box return fee, which technically should recover their cost of selling an open box product. And you are probably right that I should have been patient for new displays before buying this one--at the time though the march 23rd -30th dates had not been rumored though.

Either way I will be happy, because I like my current monitor. I guess I would be a little less happy if there were a drastic price reduction on the newer monitors, or if they release a 23" with picture quality as good as the 20" I now have. I think I will let this one go, and if I am blown away by the new monitors, there is always ebay.

That sounds like a good plan nato55. You should really only buy what you need. I personally would find it very difficult to return a product with the 10 days unless there was something wrong. Good luck on whatever you decide.

[k2k koos]

I hope so that it will happen, especially the displays. I allready spend my money on my G4 powerbook 15", so a new desktop system will have to wait. A nice alu cinema display would be a nice addition to the baby I'm typing this on...

Looks Like Apple is agressivly marketing the G5's, judging by their website the last few days... Perhaps an other indication that something is bound to happen.....

[makkystyle]

I have pretty solid and reliable information from Nov 2003 regarding the product launches to take place this year. I didn't post anything on macrumors.com though as I was a bit skeptical......

Now lets see if this comes true..if it does, then I know whats coming out in 2006 :D

So what is coming out in 2006?

[Fukui]

So what is coming out in 2006?
The iBone. As in throw me one. :D