'Brilliant Savings' Promo

[trilogic]

in other words: no new displays until end of june?

oh :mad: :(

[Apple //e]

The first batch of kids raised on family computers are making their way from college.

i think many of them already went to graduate school and have 10 year old kids by now ;-)

[Zaty]

Frankly if your statement did come true it would be the worst disaster Apple has ever experienced. Already the Pentium M runs rings around the G4 PowerBook. By Summer of '05 why anyone would even bother buying a G4 PowerBook would be beyond me. :confused: Oh ya I forgot. OS X. :rolleyes:

Summer of '05? By then Apple won't be selling PB G4 anymore. iBooks might still have the fastest G4 (around 1.5 GHz, perhaps 1.7) but not the PB. Even If I assume it was a typo and you meant summer of 04, why would that be a disaster? I said in another post Apple would release G5 PB as soon as possible, but putting a G5 into a PB is easier said than done. Or would you like a 2-inch think 17" PB with a battery that lasts one hour? Secondly, even the current offerings from Apple are fast enought for most task being usually done on notebooks. There are always people who want faster cpus but only very few people need the power the fastest computers (PCs and Macs) have these days. Just my two cents.

[JGowan]

I hate mail-in rebates. It is just away to make it so that not everyone will get the $500 off. Just take $500 off the price up front I say.I agree, but... two years ago, they did the same thing with the top G4 and a 22" display. I must say that the $500 check was the fastest rebate I ever got back.

[Sublime]

So be happy you have a mac I'll even take a mac LC over any winblows box not matter how fast it they claim to be.

Rant over

Man, It is good to see that kind of enthusiasm. I pass my torch to ya. I am a hardcore mac guy. Got the tattoo to prove it... However, there is something to be said for building your own PC. It is somewhat satisfying studying the hardware sites, choosing components, building a PC and tweaking and benchmarking it. Winblows is a "good enough" OS especially for gaming. Gaming, to me, drives hardware sales. I kept telling myself I'd do a clean install of linux when I was done with EverQuest but that has not happened. I really wish there was a way for Apple to somehow put out an Enthusiast edition G5. Options are kinda good. I just flashed a Diamond Stealth PCI card to run in an old B&W G3, thanks to the G4 cube tweakers. (The 64K shrunken firmware works great! Thanks fellas...) Anyhow my LC sucked. Well, it was a performa 630 CD. I guess the LC had the FPU enabled, not that it would make it not suck. I am excited about the next PM G5 rev. but July or whatever is too long...

Peace
Edit typo

[ZildjianKX]

Yes, and ISA-wise, what is a P4 but a P III with SSE2?

Your attempt at a rebuttal proves my point!

Yep, you're right. And the only reason that a Pentium M can't run in a P4 motherboard is that Intel added an extra pin so you couldn't... no joke.

And on another note... I'm really glad I didn't wait for a Rev B G5... took long enough to ge ta Rev A model.

[MacRAND]

Centrino is not a processor but rather than an Intel bundling gimmick. It's the Pentium M, Intel Chipset, and Intel Wifi. If a vendor has all 3 of these, they can slap on a Centrino sticker.Screw Centrino stickers, where's my Apple AirPort Extreme sticker.

[Soire]

So as I pace back and forth waiting for the rev. B G5s all I can do is read these forums and look at every page on the apple website. But then I noticed something- as I've never ordered a PM before, what comes standard? After doing an order "test run" I saw that there is the option to buy a lot of add-ons, namely a KEYBOARD and MOUSE. Don't these come standard? I know a monitor and speakers aren't included (whoa I must sound like a rookie) but I though PMs came with a mouse, keyboard, and one monitor adapter. Could somebody fill me in? thanks.

[BruinJohn]

I was at the UCLA store last week on Wednesday and a store clerk told me that they are getting a new shipment from Apple on Friday and on Monday will be selling the 17" 1.33 GHZ Powerbooks for $2399 which is $100 less than the $2499 academic discount. There was no mention about the 15" or the 12".

As mentioned before, they are still selling the dual 1.8 G5 Powermacs for $1999. The single 1.6 are $1599 I think.

So, there is some incentive to get rid of these computers. UCLA usually has great discounts for students and I hope they will get new computers before the summer because I'm graduating and I won't qualify for these discounts anymore. :(

[Skiniftz]

Could you please explain a little bit more detailed what you mean that not everyone will get $500 off ? I don't understand it.
It is well known that many people fail to redeem mail in offers. This is what I believe the original poster was referring to.

[aswitcher]

Its not unexpected but it is a bit disappointing to think 3 more months with nothing but rumors... :(

What's worse for me is I bet that everything but the Powerbook will get a decent upgrade/overhaul, leaving me to ponder how much longer I will have to wait for my G5PB...

*sigh*

[CmdrLaForge]

I don't see how you can say doubling the CPU capacity of the middle G5 is merely an enhancement.

Sorry, but thats an enhancement. Because its nothing more than a BOM change which can be done with an ECR/ECO. Ok, you need to create a new product number, copy the 2GHz BOM to the new product number, delete both 2GHz CPUs and add the 1,8 GHz CPUs and maybe a new entry in the firmware. Done. Engineering needed: 5 days. Its an enhancement.


:mad: I like the new smileys :(

[ethernet76]

i think many of them already went to graduate school and have 10 year old kids by now ;-)

Ha, those are enthusist. My family got their first computer – LC II – in 1991 or so. It was a "toy." Prior to that people still were banging out papers on type-writers or were "writting neatly in ink" as my middle-school teacher allowed.

Coming from the largest upper-class suburb in Ohio, West Chester(The Best Chester), I tend to think computer adoption rate was faster. I wasn't required to type a paper until 10th grade or so(1998). I also don't remember anyone doing word processing on a computer before Windows 95. Unless you had a Mac(Clarisworks rules).

So in reality the first wave of kids that used computers in the classrooms are leaving school now for places in the work force.

(Apple IIes do not constitute computers in the classroom because I'm not sure anyone did anything productive on them. Oregon trail was not an educational tool, no matter how fun the green and black killing of buffalo was.)

[Savage Henry]

Its not unexpected but it is a bit disappointing to think 3 more months with nothing but rumors... :(



I would really love to see Apple kick off another promotion without upgrade in 6 weeks time just for the sheer joy of reading the paranniod scribbles and maniac rantings on these rumour sites. This past thread has been quite comical.

Naturally, I'd rather see hardware upgrades, but the alternative does have it's merits. :)

[aswitcher]

I would really love to see Apple kick off another promotion without upgrade in 6 weeks time just for the sheer joy of reading the paranniod scribbles and maniac rantings on these rumour sites. This past thread has been quite comical.

Naturally, I'd rather see hardware upgrades, but the alternative does have it's merits. :)

If they plan to revamp most, if not almost all of their lines at the end of June, then I think its a done deal that there will be plenty more promotions between now and then.

[JohnGillilan]

(Apple IIes do not constitute computers in the classroom because I'm not sure anyone did anything productive on them. Oregon trail was not an educational tool, no matter how fun the green and black killing of buffalo was.)

You should be immediately upgraded to Demi-God for this comment.

[JamesDPS]

I was at the UCLA store last week on Wednesday and a store clerk told me that they are getting a new shipment from Apple on Friday and on Monday will be selling the 17" 1.33 GHZ Powerbooks for $2399 which is $100 less than the $2499 academic discount. There was no mention about the 15" or the 12".

As mentioned before, they are still selling the dual 1.8 G5 Powermacs for $1999. The single 1.6 are $1599 I think.

So, there is some incentive to get rid of these computers. UCLA usually has great discounts for students and I hope they will get new computers before the summer because I'm graduating and I won't qualify for these discounts anymore. :(

Yeah those dual 1.8's have been taunting me for a while... if I had known updates would be delayed a long time I would have bought one when they first had that price... but I assumed that they were just trying to unload them before rev. b PMs come out. I wish they had dual G4's for like $1200 actually (in addition to single 1.25 for $999), I'd be tempted to get one and use that until 3GHz G5s came out, then eBay it for a (hopefully) small loss.

Anyways at this rate I'm going to wait at least for the next revision. I don't have a gig lined up right now that requires the G5 so if that comes along I'll buy one immediately, otherwise just hold out for this June super-event. I just hope they don't take 3 months to ship, again. Very suck.

[Gyroscope]

It all sucks big time. They should at least half the prices on all consumer machines. I'm talking here of at least 50 % off eMac,iMac. That is how much they are worth right now. If they continue like this we may soon see "Closing down clerance sale" promotion. :mad:

[swissmann]

I have said it many times before that I think Steve will ride the promise of 3 GHz in a year and not updates will happen in-between. Obviously as time goes on the more and more I think I have a chance at being right.

[Rod Rod]

Ha, those are enthusist. My family got their first computer – LC II – in 1991 or so. It was a "toy." Prior to that people still were banging out papers on type-writers or were "writting neatly in ink" as my middle-school teacher allowed.

Coming from the largest upper-class suburb in Ohio, West Chester(The Best Chester), I tend to think computer adoption rate was faster. I wasn't required to type a paper until 10th grade or so(1998). I also don't remember anyone doing word processing on a computer before Windows 95. Unless you had a Mac(Clarisworks rules).

So in reality the first wave of kids that used computers in the classrooms are leaving school now for places in the work force.

(Apple IIes do not constitute computers in the classroom because I'm not sure anyone did anything productive on them. Oregon trail was not an educational tool, no matter how fun the green and black killing of buffalo was.)

I was among the first batch of kids to use computers when my grade school got them. They were Apple //s or //es, and this was back in 1981 when I was in first grade.

We learned BASIC (I forgot what the acronym stood for, but they taught us that too), Turtle, and maybe LOGO too. I remember the computer I was on had a color screen.

10 PRINT "HI"
20 GOTO 10

The above might not impress you as "productive." But it accomplished something that's easy to underestimate today -- it broke down the barriers to using the new technology, and introduced valuable concepts such as input-output (garbage in, garbage out), and engendered in me a comfort level with personal computing.

A few short years later in junior high we had a classroom full of Macs. This was in the mid to late 80s. In high school our newspaper and yearbook operated on Macs.

Regarding word processing, there was plenty of word processing happening on both IBM/MS-DOS and Apple computers going back to the early 80s. A lot of it was printed on dot-matrix.

So, Apple //e is correct, that the first wave of computer-using kids has computer-using kids today. Not I though (no kids yet). :)

[klaus]

Just another thought that went through my mind:

If the promo leads us to believe no new powermacs and/or no new displays until wwdc, then what about those reports from a week or 2 back that stated that new powermacs were delayed because of ati shipping problems.
Production lines were reportedly shut down until ati produced enough cards to meet up with the production.

I know these are only reports, and not real facts, but they do have to come from somewhere, and in my country there's a saying "where there is smoke, there is fire".

So basically, if this promo would mean no new powermacs until wwdc, then the already assembled machines would be gathering dust until then.. If the delay was because of the use of new technologies, that were not mainstream yet, would they already have begun producing the machines? I don't think so, they'd have to test pre-production machines with that new technology first, without even thinking about starting the production lines..

just some thoughts,

[Waragainstsleep]

The P4 is considered a joke (In the wintel community) because it hasn't increased in speed as quick as the P3 did (Started at 300 or 400MHz and increased four or five fold).

[rdowns]

So as I pace back and forth waiting for the rev. B G5s all I can do is read these forums and look at every page on the apple website. But then I noticed something- as I've never ordered a PM before, what comes standard? After doing an order "test run" I saw that there is the option to buy a lot of add-ons, namely a KEYBOARD and MOUSE. Don't these come standard? I know a monitor and speakers aren't included (whoa I must sound like a rookie) but I though PMs came with a mouse, keyboard, and one monitor adapter. Could somebody fill me in? thanks.

Yes, a keyboard and mouse ship with the system. The add-on mouse and keyboard are Bluetooth models (wireless) that you can buy if you opt to add the Bluetooth adapter.

[Downdivx]

Does anybody know if this promo counts double if you buy two displays? I'm going to buy dual displays and although the 23HD is out of my price range, I wonder if you can get two rebates if you buy two 23HDs (and one PM).
W

[centauratlas]

I also don't remember anyone doing word processing on a computer before Windows 95. Unless you had a Mac(Clarisworks rules).


Can you say: MagicWindows on an Apple ][ and an Apple ][plus. That was a word processor way ahead of its time ~1981-1984.

As someone who chimed in first thing yesterday morning with the note on the memory promo extension, I am not sure that the display rebate means no new G5s tomorrow. It may just mean they are trying to get rid of the display inventory with any machine they can. As far as the RAM upgrade, that is the troublesome one. I hope it just means they are trying to get rid of some RAM to make way for the new G5 RAM that they'll annouce and ship in 6-8 weeks.

[rdowns]

Does anybody know if this promo counts double if you buy two displays? I'm going to buy dual displays and although the 23HD is out of my price range, I wonder if you can get two rebates if you buy two 23HDs (and one PM).
W

NO, it's a one for one rebate.

[aswitcher]

SNIP

As far as the RAM upgrade, that is the troublesome one. I hope it just means they are trying to get rid of some RAM to make way for the new G5 RAM that they'll annouce and ship in 6-8 weeks.

Could they be bumping up to new RAM speeds in June with the new G5s, to get a little more performance considering from what little I know this appears to be the bottle neck now that the Chips and Buses are faster?
That 533Mhz rather than the 400Mhz...anyone know about this stuff?

[centauratlas]

I was among the first batch of kids to use computers when my grade school got them. They were Apple //s or //es, and this was back in 1981 when I was in first grade.

We learned BASIC (I forgot what the acronym stood for, but they taught us that too),

Probably ][s and ][plus in 1981 (and don't forget the TRS-80 out then too). Apple //e came out in 1983. And in all likelihood it was a ][plus if they got them in 1981.

Beginners All-purpose Symbolic Instructional Code = BASIC

Can you imagine "Apple][rumors.com"? What do you mean, the ][ was out in 1977? No update to the ][plus until 1979? "The //e will be out in 1980"...or 1981 (based on historical update cycles)...or 1982...or 1983...see, I told you it would be out "next Tuesday". Of course I said that every Tuesday between 1979 and 1983. Talk about slow product updates! (To be fair there was the III in 1980).
:p

[Waragainstsleep]

533MHz was announced a while ago, maybe 667MHz will be out by summer.
Do the current G5s support DDR2 already?
The new ones will NEED to.

But yes, faster RAM is only going to help us get closer to 3GHz.

[Waragainstsleep]

Oh, and to whoever it was arguing about my usage of the words Xserve, proven and PPC970FX in the same sentence:
I was merely trying to impress that Apple had proved it was possible to get a G5 into a laptop-sized box (or near as) without it instantaneously melting everything within a two foot radius. I wasn't trying to claim anything about their reliability.

While I'm talking about Xserves, I got this in the last ADC newsletter:
"The Xserve G5 Developer Note provides information about the new
Xserve G5 server introduced in March 2004, which features single and
dual PowerPC processors at 2.0 GHz or higher, USB 2.0, and Firewire 400 and Firewire 800."

Is this just a case of future-proofing this document?

[skunk]

I was merely trying to impress that Apple had proved it was possible to get a G5 into a laptop-sized box (or near as) without it instantaneously melting everything within a two foot radius.
Depends if you mind having two bloody great ventilation holes in the front of your laptop, I suppose...

[cr2sh]

Will they bother? Last time the 17" went from 1GHz to 1.33GHz. A 330MHz boost is reasonable, though not amazing.
Are they seriously gonna bother with an update just to get to 1.42GHz?

I believe that they will.

The 1.0 to 1.33 update took almost a year.. if we could get to 1.42GHz in a 4 or 5 month cycle, I think Apple would go for it.

Note that 1.42GHz was also the stopping point for the powermac g4, so who knows...

[aswitcher]

I believe that they will.

The 1.0 to 1.33 update took almost a year.. if we could get to 1.42GHz in a 4 or 5 month cycle, I think Apple would go for it.

Note that 1.42GHz was also the stopping point for the powermac g4, so who knows...

There would want to be a far number of other improvements to justify such a slight speed bump for me not to think it was a waste...

[gotohamish]

There would want to be a far number of other improvements to justify such a slight speed bump for me not to think it was a waste...


How could it ever be a waste? That's ridiculous. It may not be the upgrade you or a lot of us want but a quiet speed bump/graphics upgrade could never be a bad thing.

I'm sure Apple are giving us the best they can.

[MadMan]

I agree, but... two years ago, they did the same thing with the top G4 and a 22" display. I must say that the $500 check was the fastest rebate I ever got back.

I agree... I took advantage of the same offer and my check was there very quickly. It was surprising how fast it came.

:cool:

MM

[Sublime]

Probably ][s and ][plus in 1981 (and don't forget the TRS-80 out then too). Apple //e came out in 1983. And in all likelihood it was a ][plus if they got them in 1981.

Man, I thought I had my //e in 82. Are you sure that is right?

[centauratlas]

Man, I thought I had my //e in 82. Are you sure that is right?

Yes. I even checked apple-history.com to verify my memory....

http://www.apple-history.com/frames/body.php?page=gallery&model=aIIe

Apple IIe
...
CPU Speed: 1 MHz
...
Introduced: January 1983

Terminated: March 1985

Released in January 1983, The Apple IIe was to be one of the most successful Apple computers ever. It was based on the 6502 processor, which could run at 1.02 Mhz. It came with 64K of RAM and a 32K ROM which included BASIC, an assembly language interface, and several other hard-coded options. The Apple IIe originally sold for $1,395, and was replaced in 1985 by an updated model.

And here:
http://www.apple2history.org/history/ah07.html
Apple IIe - January 1983 - February 1985

[AidenShaw]

The P4 is considered a joke (In the wintel community) because it hasn't increased in speed as quick as the P3 did (Started at 300 or 400MHz and increased four or five fold).

Pentium III 0.450 GHz - introduced 26 Feb 1999 (250 nm process)
Pentium III 1.400 GHz - introduced 8 Jan 2002 (130 nm process)
speedup 3.1x

Pentium 4 1.40 GHz 256 KiB cache - intro 20 Nov 2000 (180 nm process)
Pentium 4 3.40 GHz 1024 KiB cache - intro 2 Feb 2004 (90 nm process)
speedup 2.4x

PPC 970 2.0 GHz - intro
speedup 0x


While the P4 hasn't climbed as much as the PIII, it's hardly a joke....especially since the cache has increased 4 times (standard P4) to 8 times (EE)

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickreffam.htm#p4Desk

[PretendPCuser]

interesting not to go off thread but why Falcon, also i have concerns that if i go alienware ill need a good photo App on the Pc side for all my photographs. and 365 is right the 23" was overpriced. why not give $300,$400 and $500 off all the overpriced displays with a new powermac.

If you are considering going to a PC and are considering Alienware or Falcon, i would suggest (if you haven't checked them out all ready). OverdrivePC. Mario will take care of you, bought some used stuff there and was EXTREMELY happy with their service. Read their testimonials as well.

Peace.

[greenstork]

It's time Apple shared with the community information on the development situation. IMO nothing hurts Apple more than keeping everything so secret that it makes it near impossible to purchase a new machine without the feeling that anyday there will be a new release to make you feel like a big loser. I read post after post of people hanging out for new boxes, surely if they just give everyone a heads up then we can all make decisions for the future based on FACTS.

Apple would increase their market share by simply getting a solid roadmap out to the public so rather than constant inaccurate vodoo speculation we get cold hard info even if sometimes it's not exactly what we want to hear.

All these rumors have stopped being cute and now it's just a joke. Isn't about time Apple grew up and had a more open and transparent development plan. It baffels me as to why it is all so hush hush anyway.

"SJ...... help us to help you" ;)

baz

Man, this is horrible advice. This is the most sure fire way to ruin current sales. Under this scenario, people only buy at updates. Many of their sales quarters would just go into the tank. Apple is a publicly held company and as such, have responsibilities to all of their "stake"holders. This includes you the consumer, their employees, and their stockholders.

If Apple adopted your strategy, their stock would tank because of wildly fluctuating quarters and the company would be dead in less than two years. Thank god you're not running Apple, or in a marketing job for that matter.

[Waragainstsleep]

Pentium III 0.450 GHz - introduced 26 Feb 1999 (250 nm process)
Pentium III 1.400 GHz - introduced 8 Jan 2002 (130 nm process)
speedup 3.1x

Pentium 4 1.40 GHz 256 KiB cache - intro 20 Nov 2000 (180 nm process)
Pentium 4 3.40 GHz 1024 KiB cache - intro 2 Feb 2004 (90 nm process)
speedup 2.4x

PPC 970 2.0 GHz - intro
speedup 0x


While the P4 hasn't climbed as much as the PIII, it's hardly a joke....especially since the cache has increased 4 times (standard P4) to 8 times (EE)

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickreffam.htm#p4Desk


I was answering someone else's question from a page or two back. I never called it a joke as I'm well aware its still the fastest chip you can get. I have heard it slated by other PC users on other sites, and I merely offer the only reason I can think of as to why a PC user wouldn't soil his pants at the thought of one, is the reason I gave.
Its by no means a strong reason, as I think its mostly due to the lack of major speed increases more recently with the P4.
The P3/4 flew from 450MHz to 2GHz+, as soon as they hit 3, the progress slowed down a bit. PC users had been used to their machines being out of date by the time they had plugged them in and got them working, and so they whinge (Every bit as much as we do) when they don't get a newer, better, faster one at least every five minutes.


Obviously not all PC users share this view, and I myself have to give the P4 respect where its due. A 3GHz 32 bit chip that can keep up with 2x 2GHz, 64 bit chips on a faster system bus, (and using what we all know is a much better OS) has got to be doing something right.

[greenstork]

I' have owned Apple/mac products since an Apple IIGS (Wozniak Edition) back in the late 80's.

This is honestly the most dissapointed I have been in Apple in all that time. I am nursing along a dual 867 G4 that is really shopwing it's age. I have been waiting for a B revision of the G5 line for 7+ months.

Lots of super Apple/mac fanatics here, which is great. But come on folks...

Apple is so screwing up right now it is not even funny. We all praised the fall of the Motorola union with Apple powermacs and could not stop talking about how IBM would bring in a new dawn for Apple.

One word.... Bull$_ _ _

Apple will loose more folks than it gains if it really waits a full year for a revision in the G5 line.

And regardless of what some Steve Jobs mega fans think or not. If in fact we do have to wait until June/July for updates, and they do not include the full jump up to 3 gigahertz like Steve Jobs promised....

Well he should step down. Since it will be one of the easiest and actually most honest times Apple nay-sayers in the press/tech world will have to attack the company = loose stock value and embarrase us faithful apple owners... :mad:

Steve Jobs should step down? Are you serious? Having followed Apple for as long as you have, I would think you would have learned from history. Steve Jobs is one of the greatest innovators of his generation. The current speed boosts to the G5 line, or lack thereof, is negligible compared to the enormous contributions he has made to computers, music, and Apple. Get your head on straight.

[greenstork]

I can't stand it anymore. Will the individuals who are spelling LOSE with two Os please stop. It's killing me. Oh the humanity.

Loose (verb) to release, to let go, i.e. "let loose"
(adjective) not tight

LOSE is the proper spelling. Like, I'm going to LOSE my mind if people keep spelling it "loose." I will not "loose" my mind.

<applause>Amen</applause>

[xDANx]

Frankly if your statement did come true it would be the worst disaster Apple has ever experienced. Already the Pentium M runs rings around the G4 PowerBook. By Summer of '05 why anyone would even bother buying a G4 PowerBook would be beyond me. :confused: Oh ya I forgot. OS X. :rolleyes:

The original poster's statement was that there would be no PowerBook G5s until MWSF '05. That's Mac World San Francisco in January 2005. Makes sense to me.

[greenstork]

I've gotta laugh, because apple really thinks they are the **** these days, and yet they are getting such consistent negative responses from their hardcore fan base (what I woudl consider forum posters on rumors sites to be), as well as the recent slap from the BBB telling them to stop saying they are the fastest.

I predict in twenty years, apple wont even make computers anymore, and if they do, they'll be the worst in the market. All they'll sell will be ipod minis and lucky bags full of **** they couldnt' sell over the years like .mac subscriptions and 1.5 ghz PB G4 comps (as no one will buy them when and if they are released before the PB g5).

Gimme a break. It's not like this hardcore fan base is out there buying Dells, nor would they ever. While some posters to this forum actually need a faster G5 for video, photo work, and science, many folks complaining about "slow" G5s are just whining. Many just don't need the speed but want to latest and greatest, to surf pr0n faster I suppose.

[klaus]

Gimme a break. It's not like this hardcore fan base is out there buying Dells, nor would they ever. While some posters to this forum actually need a faster G5 for video, photo work, and science, many folks complaining about "slow" G5s are just whining. Many just don't need the speed but want to latest and greatest, to surf pr0n faster I suppose.


I don't think it's only because they want faster computers, but I think they want more for their money. I find the speed good enough for what I need to do, but dropping prices on "older" models would be appropriate. A machine that's 8 month's old just can't be sold at the same price as it was in the beginning... This is the ONLY complaint I have about the prices of Apple.

Otherwise, keep up the good work :D

[skunk]

The only way this year-long gap between models is justified is if (a) IBM have had problems producing 970FX processors and (b) if Apple are going to roll LOTS more stuff into the G5 Rev B when it finally does happen. Since HT licensing is now a potential problem (see http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/36602.html) there may be a delay here, too. Trouble is, this isn't an upgrade, it's a whole new processor.

[Apple //e]

Ha, those are enthusist. My family got their first computer – LC II – in 1991 or so. It was a "toy." Prior to that people still were banging out papers on type-writers or were "writting neatly in ink" as my middle-school teacher allowed.

Coming from the largest upper-class suburb in Ohio, West Chester(The Best Chester), I tend to think computer adoption rate was faster. I wasn't required to type a paper until 10th grade or so(1998). I also don't remember anyone doing word processing on a computer before Windows 95. Unless you had a Mac(Clarisworks rules).

So in reality the first wave of kids that used computers in the classrooms are leaving school now for places in the work force.

(Apple IIes do not constitute computers in the classroom because I'm not sure anyone did anything productive on them. Oregon trail was not an educational tool, no matter how fun the green and black killing of buffalo was.)

no, many families had computers in the 80´s. they werent considered toys then. i used to type 9th-11th grade papers using appleworks on the apple //e (1985). im sure i wasnt the first.

many kids even used c64s to write papers. i dont know how they did it with a 40 column screen

ill grant you that they werent as widespread as today, but it was not uncommon and many people in their 30s today grew up with not only computers at home but in the classroom

[kman12681]

I am waiting for the rev b. PM G5's not because of faster processors or lower prices. I can afford a G5 now and a dual 1.8 would be plenty fast for what I am going to do - Video editing and Audio recording. However, the reason I am waiting is for all the problems to be corrected - namely the scuzzy and digidesign problems. Do you realize that you can't currently use Pro-tools mix, or digi-001 with the G5. To me, that is a huge problem. It seems like everyone is concerned about speed and money - but does anyone else have the concern that I do?

[MacRAND]

Does anybody know if this promo counts double if you buy two displays? I'm going to buy dual displays and although the 23HD is out of my price range, I wonder if you can get two rebates if you buy two 23HDs (and one PM).
WAsk Apple through the Apple store to be sure.
My guess is that if you only buy ONE PowerMac, you only get ONE discount on ONE 23" CinemaD.
One discount per PM + CD combination. Don't you think? :confused:
And, the $500 rebate is only on the 23", isn't it? :rolleyes:
But with the Mail-in rebate, the 23" price is very close to the 20". :eek:
It's a steal! :p

[Mr_Ed]

...
I also don't remember anyone doing word processing on a computer before Windows 95. Unless you had a Mac(Clarisworks rules).



I remember word processing being done on Tandy-Radio Shack models (TRS-80 Model I, Model II (their "business" computer), and Model III) back in late 70's and early 80's. Don't remember the application names but I know this was routine back then. I'm pretty sure people were doing word processing on Apple II models at about the same time.

[PDubNYC]

I can't stand it anymore. Will the individuals who are spelling LOSE with two Os please stop. It's killing me. Oh the humanity.

Loose (verb) to release, to let go, i.e. "let loose"
(adjective) not tight

LOSE is the proper spelling. Like, I'm going to LOSE my mind if people keep spelling it "loose." I will not "loose" my mind.

Loose is not a verb, at least not in your example. not even close. More of an adverb. So while I agree with what you are saying, if you are going to criticize people's spelling and grammar, you might want to avoid giving a poor example.

[SpaceMusic_Guy]

I am waiting for the rev b. PM G5's not because of faster processors or lower prices. I can afford a G5 now and a dual 1.8 would be plenty fast for what I am going to do - Video editing and Audio recording. However, the reason I am waiting is for all the problems to be corrected - namely the scuzzy and digidesign problems. Do you realize that you can't currently use Pro-tools mix, or digi-001 with the G5. To me, that is a huge problem. It seems like everyone is concerned about speed and money - but does anyone else have the concern that I do?

As far as the "Digi 001" goes, unless Apple changes the voltage signaling on their upcoming revision of the Power Mac, you NEVER will be able to use a Digi 001 with a G5. And Digidesign will not be re-designing the Digi 001 to work in a G5 because they've discontinued it.

I currently have a Digi 001......so I understand your plight. Am running it with a Dual 1.0 Ghz Quicksilver G4. It would seem that the cheapest way to run ProTools on a G5 is by getting the "Digi 002" Rack ($1,200).

As far as the ProTools Mix cards go.......don't know if Digidesign's gonna re-design them to work in a G5 or not. My guess is not.

[grouse]

Very loosely (adverb), our problem here (without losing (present participle) the thread completely) is that once you let this kind of dialogue loose (out of the bag as it were) it tends to unleash much loose (adjectival phrase) talk with which one can lose (conditional verb) the sense entirely.

The sense having been lost (perfect passive) - had we but loosened (pluperfect subjunctive) the grammatical shackles earlier - we might as well give up any attempt to find that which is lost and will have been lost (future perfect passive) in the first place.

Interestingly enough when learning ancient greek, ??? (luw, sorry tried to do greek letters - lamda, upsilon, omega) [to loose or set free] is the first verb you learn.

[Waragainstsleep]

How different from that is modern greek then?

[g30ffr3y]

i guess it makes sense that there wont be any updates to the powermac g5's... with steve promising the dual 3's by the end of summer only those who absolutely couldnt wait would have bought the Rev. B assuming the dual 3's wouldve been Rev. C and would be out by the end of summer as per steves statement... i for one was full on ready to wait for the dual 3's... why buy something you "know" will be replaced in a somewhat timely fashion... its not as if the dual 2's have gotten any slower over time... just older... i can personally wait it out a few more months and i think a lot of others share my philosophy... apple got the early adoptors in on the Rev. A's... i think the Rev. B's being dual 3's are going to be a smashing success once they do launch...

to the poster talking about the digi001... i had the same concerns... but quite frankly i am sick of digidesign anyhow... my digi is just about to finish up on ebay... im taking a huge loss... but ive decided to switch over to logic... ive got a MOTU 828mkII already which kicks digi001's ass... as soon as the auction is over ill pick up logic pro six... you may want to think about that as an option...

[kman12681]

I know Pro-tools software too well to make the jump to Logic. I think that pro-tools is the best program out there in terms of interface and quality and etc. not saying that I can't learn new software, and I know that Logic is good as well, but it would take 3+ years for me to catch up with my pro-tools experience, and since a lot of work is editing and sound design and etc (i.e. work that involves intimate working knowledge of the software) that's a lot of money that I'd lose by not being able to do the same work since i don't know the software while i'm trying to make the switch to logic. Seems like it kind of bites to be a Pro-tools Mac user at the moment. Feels like we're getting screwed over on account of Apple and Digidesign's problems between themselves.

-keith

[grouse]

How different from that is modern greek then?

[Rustus Maximus]

Don't forget that IBM has a March 31st event scheduled, giving insight into their new CPU's. While they will probably focus on the upcoming POWER5, they may also provide some details on the 9xx series chip, which they also use in their own blade servers.

Either way, the picture MAY be a bit clearer on the CPU front after the event.
(see this thread http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040318102708.shtml )

Also boys and girls let's not forget that Apple is planning some sort of special event at NAB 2004...

read old MacRumors post (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040310162042.shtml)

At any rate...I just don't understand the apparent anger over the imagined infrequency of updates to Apple's computer line. Apple has never and I suspect will never assume the sort of madcap update schedule that Intel and the Winblows folks love to follow. Apple has decided they would rather do it right than do it often and half-baked. Frankly, I'm happier that they update their software more frequently than they do their hardware. Let's be honest here, how many of us will really upgrade our hardware every 6 months? And if you can afford to do so, and were that much of a "Gotta have the latest and greatest hardware now Now NOWWWWW..." - then you would have already purchased a new G5 when they first came out.

Also, anyone who is going to sit here and tell the rest of us that their Dual 2 GHz G5 just isn't fast enough anymore...is dillusional. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement but there is always room for improvement. It's the nature of computers. Look, if you need G5 power now, then go ahead and buy a G5 now. Even if you wait for the updated PowerMacs they will also be "too slow" 3-6 months after their intro. You will be twirling in this endless vortex for the rest of time. So just don't get caught up in that game. If a new dual 2.0 or 1.8 G5 will take your work or computing experience to a whole new level then go ahead and buy it. You will not be dissapointed. If you can afford to wait...then wait. No matter what we do, let's leave the Apple-bashing and the trolling at home because even if they don't intro 3GHz G5s until WWDC...they've still beaten their predictions.

Rustus

[Downdivx]

I've got to buy before I graduate in May, so I'm waiting for NAB. Since I'm going to use it for video anyways, if there is a big announcement at NAB I could get that also. Even if there isn't a big release at NAB, I'm going to have to buy after that.

I guess my real problem with buying a rev A now is that I'm paying the same price now that others paid in September '03.

W

Also boys and girls let's not forget that Apple is planning some sort of special event at NAB 2004...

read old MacRumors post (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040310162042.shtml)

At any rate...I just don't understand the apparent anger over the imagined infrequency of updates to Apple's computer line. Apple has never and I suspect will never assume the sort of madcap update schedule that Intel and the Winblows folks love to follow. Apple has decided they would rather do it right than do it often and half-baked. Frankly, I'm happier that they update their software more frequently than they do their hardware. Let's be honest here, how many of us will really upgrade our hardware every 6 months? And if you can afford to do so, and were that much of a "Gotta have the latest and greatest hardware now Now NOWWWWW..." - then you would have already purchased a new G5 when they first came out.

Also, anyone who is going to sit here and tell the rest of us that their Dual 2 GHz G5 just isn't fast enough anymore...is dillusional. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement but there is always room for improvement. It's the nature of computers. Look, if you need G5 power now, then go ahead and buy a G5 now. Even if you wait for the updated PowerMacs they will also be "too slow" 3-6 months after their intro. You will be twirling in this endless vortex for the rest of time. So just don't get caught up in that game. If a new dual 2.0 or 1.8 G5 will take your work or computing experience to a whole new level then go ahead and buy it. You will not be dissapointed. If you can afford to wait...then wait. No matter what we do, let's leave the Apple-bashing and the trolling at home because even if they don't intro 3GHz G5s until WWDC...they've still beaten their predictions.

Rustus

[invaLPsion]

The promo simply ends on the end of the 3rd Fiscal Quarter. In addition, it is very broad in terms of the promo for powermacs. I can't explain it all, but check the article out at Apple Insider if you need further proof.

Rev B, here I come. (As long as you are released soon)

[MacRAND]

I remember word processing being done on Tandy-Radio Shack models (TRS-80 Model I, Model II (their "business" computer), and Model III) back in late 70's and early 80's. Don't remember the application names but I know this was routine back then. I'm pretty sure people were doing word processing on Apple II models at about the same time.While in law school during the early 1970s, I saw a dual cassette tape (for memory) Redactor dedicated word processor that used an IBM Selectric to type boilerplate (master) derived from one tape, and then add variables (merge) from the other tape.

After law school, I checked with IBM (I used a Selectric to do papers in school) to see what they had in a "memory typewriter". IBM did have a Selectric with a memory chip and dial that was limited to about 20 pages of boilerplate - no merge capability. Too much for too little.

SAVIN corporation (known for copiers) made a Wordmaster memory cassette deck ($6000) that attached to an IBM Selectric ($1,000) for input and printing. I immediately bought one and it worked great typing 130 words per minute, stopping at the insertion point for a variable, which I typed IN, then continued typing page after page at max speed for an IBM Selectric. With a removable cassette (unlike IBM's fixed internal memory system) we could (and did) have as many computer quality data cassettes (looked just like audio cassettes) as we wanted. (Incorporation, Wills, Trusts, Divorce, standard Civil pleadings, Probates, etc.)

Then in mid to late 70s and early 80s, competition among word processors like the $25,000 room filling Viadec using 8" floppies became intense. God I love when corporations compete for our money.

Burroughs bought out Redactor corporation (or at least its computer line from them), and sold a dedicated word processor with a large full letter size screen (portrait, not landscape) with dual floppy disk drives (RAM on a disc instead of linear on tape - HUGE time-saving improvement), for about $13,000. They gave me and another attorney a $3,000 discount if we would turn in a Redactor I so they could literally junk it at the city dump - they did not want to service them even for a $500 per year service contract. My buddy had one, and so we purchased a Redactor II (R-2) (which we promptly renamed R2-D2, of StarWars fame) for a mere $10,000. It used a Qume daisy wheel printer which had blinding speed that blew away the IBM Selectric, and we could attach different wheels for different fonts and sizes ranging from 10 pica to 12 elite to 15 fine print (great for attorneys ;)), Courier, Letter Gothic, and even "proportional spacing" Times (OMG!) print. It was almost like owning a print shop and having a sophisticated type composer machine. We could do anything...except graphics.

Several years later, Burroughs (soon to become UNISYS) came back to us with an updated offer on their new intelligent terminals for a mainframe computer called a B26, which had the newly released Intel 286 chip. Instead of one large, dedicated piece of equipment, it was at least modular, so in theory, we could replace parts of it. It too had a word processor program with some computational skills, especially when used with a 256 x 256 (row, column) spreadsheet developed by some MIT professors (I think) called Multiplan. Burroughs' charged $400 for their OS. Oh my goodness this was great, a computer that could really "think" and COMPUTE.

After a few years, the 286 chip gave way to a 386 chip which had much greater capability, larger hard drives (40 MB), so I looked into upgrading my modular computer. This time, I was the one who went to Burroughs, now UNISYS, instead of the other way around.

UNISYS/Burroughs quoted me $16,000 (including printer and WYSIWYG monochrome screen)...and WHAT, for a mere "UPGRADE"?

So I complained to the salesman on the phone with me long distance from Virginia (I was in AZ) about that ugly price and the lack of choice (maybe 8) fonts. He whispered "why don't you get an Apple Macintosh, Adobe has all the fonts for the Mac you could ever want at a very reasonable price, and the screen is not only WYSIWYG but it's in full color with images." I asked how much it would cost, he didn't know, but said he thought I could get in for less than a 3rd of what UNISYS was asking. Wow! under $5,000

So, in late 1991 I went to a PC/Apple dealer who showed me a MacLC with OS 6 (7 was just coming out). If I bought a CPU + MONITOR, Apple was giving a $350 rebate (sound familiar folks?) towards the purchase of an Apple LaserWriter printer (which I needed anyway; 300 dpi) making its cost only $100. I was in heaven for less than $3,000, including software and an upgrade video RAM chip (whatever the hell that was ;), I really had no clue...as of yet).

It wasn't a year before I got tired of doing word processing and working with spread sheets on the tiny 10.5" viewable screen, and paid NEC nearly $1,000 for a 16" screen (15" viewable) which I still have and it works great - thanks NEC. I literally cried when it arrived and I plugged it in, I was so happy.

All along this path I'd looked at IBM computers, laptops and products, tried MS DOS (sucked big time) and even MS Windows. Never competitive with Apple's OS 6 through OS X, never!

My investment in Apple software (Adobe, Apple, Macromedia, MS Office, and others) grew to what it is today, along with familiarity of user friendly things Macintosh.

Frankly, there is no way in hell that i would ever switch from Mac to a PC. If Apple went out of business tomorrow, I'd be happy with what I have today even if stuck in a 2004 Time Capsule on a Dual 1GHz G4, which is plenty fast for all the things I have learned to do.

And some guys bitch and moan about not being able to wait until the next little speed bump so they can shave a few seconds off of a render? While I understand the significance in saving TIME, you are spoiled rotten.

If you have any real perception of the value of time, money and progress, you could easily be patient for a few more weeks or months. I don't think very many people under 50 really appreciate the growth of computers. Shucks, in high school we used a slide rule to compute mathematical formulas because there was no such thing as a digital calculator. Mechanical calculators with 100 keys took forever to do division, while addition, subtraction and multiplication were rather straightforward.

In the 1960's my father spent 1/4th the price of a new Chevrolet on an Olivetti 10 key mechanical calculator and he was in heaven because of what it could do for his business presentations to clients. Dad retired (then died) before I could show him how a computer spreadsheet would have revolutionized (and eventually did for others) his daily computational chores.

Friends, we live in marvelous times. Ignore what PCs are doing, or how many days until the next Mac release. Enjoy life and your family. :p

Put computers into proper perspective and you will live longer :eek: and be much happier. ;)
Stress kills. :mad: believe it! :(

Macs rule!
:cool:

[PRØBE]

[QUOTE=grouse]Very loosely (adverb), our problem here (without losing (present participle) the thread completely) is that once you let this kind of dialogue loose (out of the bag as it were) it tends to unleash much loose (adjectival phrase) talk with which one can lose (conditional verb) the sense entirely.

The sense having been lost (perfect passive) - had we but loosened (pluperfect subjunctive) the grammatical shackles earlier - we might as well give up any attempt to find that which is lost and will have been lost (future perfect passive) in the first place.

Interestingly enough when learning ancient greek, ??? (luw, sorry tried to do greek letters - lamda, upsilon, omega) [to loose or set free] is the first verb you learn.



with which one can lose (conditional verb)
Isn't that a modal?


I do agree though, that "Loose/Lose" thing has been grating on my nerves for a while now. We must be more tolerant of the grammatically challenged and not allow our pre-update angst to influence our netiquette.

Gimme a Rev B Powermac now AAAaaaaAAArrRrGH!

[clr900]

Oregon trail was not an educational tool, no matter how fun the green and black killing of buffalo was.)
Oh man I killed so many buffalo. The squirrels were hard though, or was it the rabbits...I can't remember.

[wdlove]

i guess it makes sense that there wont be any updates to the powermac g5's... with steve promising the dual 3's by the end of summer only those who absolutely couldnt wait would have bought the Rev. B assuming the dual 3's would've been Rev. C and would be out by the end of summer as per steves statement... i for one was full on ready to wait for the dual 3's... why buy something you "know" will be replaced in a somewhat timely fashion... its not as if the dual 2's have gotten any slower over time... just older... i can personally wait it out a few more months and i think a lot of others share my philosophy... apple got the early adopters in on the Rev. A's... i think the Rev. B's being dual 3's are going to be a smashing success once they do launch... .

I a little confused by your use of the Rev. B and Rev. C above. When you mention the Rev. B 3.0 at the end, I understand.

Has anybody heard a rumor about the G6 next year? I believe it was from Think Secret. Would imagine that we will have more of an idea after the IBM talk on the 31st.

[nightcap965]

You got it, brother!

I am sitting in my attic office, surrounded by wonders of technology. On my left is the Mac's greatest workhorse, an SE/30. Beside it is a NeXT Cube. Two incredible examples of the technological art, both working as well today as they did when they rolled off the assembly line. Both are as obsolete as buggy whips. The unwashed masses think they are worthless.

On my right is a Dual 2GHz G5. An incredible example of the technological art. In a few short years, it too will be considered worthless.

One floor below me (sitting in front of an Alienware box slaying pixels) is the only thing in this house that grows more valuable with every passing year. My unindicted co-conspirator, the bright and shining center of my universe, who endulges my passion for evanescent toys.

I'm a damned lucky guy.



Friends, we live in marvelous times. Ignore what PCs are doing, or how many days until the next Mac release. Enjoy life and your family. :p

Put computers into proper perspective and you will live longer :eek: and be much happier. ;)
Stress kills. :mad: believe it! :(

Macs rule!
:cool:

[pjkelnhofer]

So March comes to a close and another month passes without Apple doing much of anything except raking in money on digital music. Clearly, right now, this is where Apple is making it's money. The iPods and iTMS are what the company is focusing on right now. So we are just going to have to accept that any desktop users (without iPods) are second class citizens right now for Apple and not where the money is.

I know Apple has been historical slow to release new models, but even for Apple the current drought is ridiculous. The iBook is the only thing that has had a significant update in over six months. Look at the "Buyer's Guide" which MacRumors is so kind to provide. Nearly everything thing is at or past its average time between updates. Considering, the last PowerMac update was changing the 1.8 GHz's from singles to dauls, the last iMac upate was sticking a 20" monitor on the same base, and the last eMac update so just a price drop, the current models are 10 months, 7 months and 11 months old respectively. Even for Apple that is pathetic.

I don't think it is current G5 users who are complaining about the lack of updates (after all they still have the cream of the crop Mac's), but those of us who would like to buy a new Mac a torn. In the computing world, buying a 10 month old computer for the same price as it was at introduction is just not normal.

Maybe this is the future for Apple's desktop business: yearly updates of PowerMacs, etc. Let's face it, as fast as the G5 is, as stable as OS X is, as great a value as iLife may be, this is not where Apple is making it's $$ right now. So why would the be spending their time and money developing them. All Steve talked about was dominating market share in the MP3 player market. Something they said they had no interest in the desktop market.

For those people who think that the iPod and iTMS are going to create switchers, do you real think people are going to buy an older, slower Mac for more money just because it matches their iPod better when iPod for Windows work exactly the same?

[Waragainstsleep]

The iTMS doesn't make much money.
The iPod will be making some, but would obviously make more if they could keep up with demand.
The main point of iTMS is to sell iPods, just like iT for windows.
Both iT and the iPod are doing a wonderful job of raising Apples profile however, and free advertising is great (let alone adverts that generate cash on their own).
Despite what emphasis Apple places on it at various times, switchers are always gonna be a top priority issue, and they are going to need some more incentive soon.
I'm expecting something big.

If Apple is prioritising anything other than PMs/PBs, its the Xserves and all the potential supercomputer buyers. There's money there.

[jsw]

[QUOTE=grouse]Very loosely (adverb), our problem here (without losing (present participle) the thread completely) is that once you let this kind of dialogue loose (out of the bag as it were) it tends to unleash much loose (adjectival phrase) talk with which one can lose (conditional verb) the sense entirely.

The sense having been lost (perfect passive) - had we but loosened (pluperfect subjunctive) the grammatical shackles earlier - we might as well give up any attempt to find that which is lost and will have been lost (future perfect passive) in the first place.

Interestingly enough when learning ancient greek, ??? (luw, sorry tried to do greek letters - lamda, upsilon, omega) [to loose or set free] is the first verb you learn.



with which one can lose (conditional verb)
Isn't that a modal?


I do agree though, that "Loose/Lose" thing has been grating on my nerves for a while now. We must be more tolerant of the grammatically challenged and not allow our pre-update angst to influence our netiquette.

Gimme a Rev B Powermac now AAAaaaaAAArrRrGH!

You grammar people are such nit-picky loosers. Losen up!

:)

[TorbX]

So March comes to a close and another month passes without Apple doing much of anything except raking in money on digital music. Clearly, right now, this is where Apple is making it's money. The iPods and iTMS are what the company is focusing on right now. So we are just going to have to accept that any desktop users (without iPods) are second class citizens right now for Apple and not where the money is.

I know Apple has been historical slow to release new models, but even for Apple the current drought is ridiculous. The iBook is the only thing that has had a significant update in over six months. Look at the "Buyer's Guide" which MacRumors is so kind to provide. Nearly everything thing is at or past its average time between updates. Considering, the last PowerMac update was changing the 1.8 GHz's from singles to dauls, the last iMac upate was sticking a 20" monitor on the same base, and the last eMac update so just a price drop, the current models are 10 months, 7 months and 11 months old respectively. Even for Apple that is pathetic.

I don't think it is current G5 users who are complaining about the lack of updates (after all they still have the cream of the crop Mac's), but those of us who would like to buy a new Mac a torn. In the computing world, buying a 10 month old computer for the same price as it was at introduction is just not normal.

Maybe this is the future for Apple's desktop business: yearly updates of PowerMacs, etc. Let's face it, as fast as the G5 is, as stable as OS X is, as great a value as iLife may be, this is not where Apple is making it's $$ right now. So why would the be spending their time and money developing them. All Steve talked about was dominating market share in the MP3 player market. Something they said they had no interest in the desktop market.

For those people who think that the iPod and iTMS are going to create switchers, do you real think people are going to buy an older, slower Mac for more money just because it matches their iPod better when iPod for Windows work exactly the same?

Has it ever been like this before at Apple's?

[cubist]

While in law school during the early 1970s, I saw a dual cassette tape (for memory) Redactor dedicated word processor ... Macs rule!

Excellent story, MacRand. Beautiful!

[Mr Maui]

Basically it's 3Ghz or nothing with the next update or Steve Jobs would be making the fool out of himself by being 6 months too maybe even a year off of his promise and we all Know Steve usually never makes such bold statements so here's hoping for 3Ghz with the next update.

Had to comment on this. Steve said that they would be at 3Ghz within a year, true. However, though most people would see him as a fool or a liar or whatever, let's just suppose that the problem lies with IBM or another vendor that, say, PROMISED Steve that they would have everything in place for a 3GHz chip/machine in a year. It's a shame that although the problem may have nothing to do with Apple, many will blame Steve for any non-delivery or delay's on the 3GHz. Something to ponder. :rolleyes:

[Mr Maui]

Yah, un update across the whole line would be great and it seems like one of the few things that will satisfy everyone.

That would satisfy everyone for a few days or weeks perhaps, but then everyone would start wondering about why something else isn't immediately visible on the horizon. If they didn't, the rumor sites would get VERY dull. :D

[Mr Maui]

It seems to me that if apple update the G5 now, then there won't be a too large gap until the 3Ghz machines come out in summer.

I think its really disappointing to think that there will be no G5 PM update for 12 months. I thought IBM will be a new era for Apple.

Food for thought ...

Did Moto ever give us a 50% speed increase in a one year period?

Did Moto ever make us wait a year for an upgrade to something?

So far, I'd say Rev A has been a HUGE success compared to ANYTHING Moto ever gave us. Waiting a year for Rev B and a 50% increase, with a high probablity of new cooling, new RAM, new Video, etc is, by far, better than anything Moto EVER gave us.

[Mr Maui]

What if, and just if - there will be new displays and powermacs next week. And, this is designed as an extra incentive for people to spend ridiculous cash - all for the purpose of getting more Apples in the market. Take a small $ hit, widen the userbase...

Not Apple's style. If it was, they could sell their products at a lower price for a while to increase market share and customer loyalty, then work their way back up. Apple has 6 Billion in cash on hand and there IS a reason for that. :D

[Mr Maui]

On the 30th, if we don't hear anything at all about powermacs, I am going to take the dive and switch, I am not waiting to WWDC.

It's the 31st ... Me wonders if all those who said they were ordering on the 30th have placed their order yet. ;)

[Waragainstsleep]

Whatever happened with that?
What else could they be planning to do with $6Bn?
Its not going on Apple stores....

[Mr Maui]

If in fact we do have to wait until June/July for updates, and they do not include the full jump up to 3 gigahertz like Steve Jobs promised....

Well he should step down. Since it will be one of the easiest and actually most honest times Apple nay-sayers in the press/tech world will have to attack the company = loose stock value and embarrase us faithful apple owners... :mad:


I wonder how many Apple shareholders would agree with your assessment. After all, all that has happened for the stockholders since Jobs came back is ... they made a TON of money, the company has become very cash wealthy, their R&D remains among the best, etc. I'd like to see you sell your position to the stockholders. :p

[Mr Maui]

In the PC world, they get speed bumps every 3 months...Now I can deal with only every 6 months, cuz the Mac market is smaller, but every 12 months? This is ridiculous.

Have the P4s been speedbumped 1GHz in the past 12 months (which is a possibility for APPLE)? What about AMD? I don't think so. But I could be wrong.

If after a year the architecture is left alone and they are only bumped a modest 400-500 MHz then I will concur with your complaint. But we are looking at the possibility of a HUGE upgrade and revision. Personally, I prefer to see Apple get it right. :D

[Mr Maui]

That's a bit uncalled for. If they don't make a model you want, don't buy it. Steve Jobs doesn't owe you a faster computer.

Well said! :D

[Mr Maui]

I can't stand it anymore. Will the individuals who are spelling LOSE with two Os please stop. It's killing me. Oh the humanity.

Loose (verb) to release, to let go, i.e. "let loose"
(adjective) not tight

LOSE is the proper spelling. Like, I'm going to LOSE my mind if people keep spelling it "loose." I will not "loose" my mind.

Feeling a bit stressed there dave? ;)

P.S. - I do, however, agree with yout point.

[Mr Maui]

I predict in twenty years, apple wont even make computers anymore, and if they do, they'll be the worst in the market.

I believe they said something similar about Apple five years ago, and surprise ... they're still here!

[Mac-Xpert]

......

Macs rule!
:cool: .........
Excellent story, best post of the week for sure!

I'm not 50 yet (getting close to 30 though :eek: ) And my computer memories go back as far as the Commodore Vic-20 with it's 2k memory. The first word processing I’ve done was on my Commodore Amiga 500 (that I still have and still works!) This was also long before Windows 95 came out.

I'm not complaining about apple too much, but I do look forward to the Rev-B release. Maybe the upgrade from my current dual G4-867 Mhz might not be as significant as the upgrades you've had in the past with all those word processing systems, it will sure be worthwhile for me :p

[Mr Maui]

The min/max G5 didn't change, no. But the middle is now nearly twice as fast as it was for anything capable of running on >1 CPU - and so would apply if merely running more than one app.

If the iMac suddenly came out as, say a 1.5 GHz G5, then I suppose that's merely a revision, since, of course, the best Mac would've stayed at dual-2 GHz.

Yes, there should be better/faster/cheaper ones by now, of course! But you can't say going from (1) 1.8 GHz G5 to (2) 1.8 GHz G5's isn't an update. If they came out with a quad 2.0, would that qualify? It's the same principle.

I believe "update" implies top of the line gets faster or better, along with the lower models. Apple just realized that the single 1.8 for $700 more than the single 1.6 was not selling well, and dropping from two dual machines at the top of the G4 line, to a single dual machine at the top of the G5 line was unwise in the first place. I believe the dual 1.8 was likely planned originally as the middle machine, but may have been released as a single because of a shortage of 1.8 chips or dual-config boards or some other unforeseen factor, but rather than delay the G5s altogether, Apple released it as a single so they could have a three machine line.

[cubist]

[QUOTE=SpaceMusic_Guy]As far as the "Digi 001" goes, unless Apple changes the voltage signaling on their upcoming revision of the Power Mac, you NEVER will be able to use a Digi 001 with a G5. ... [QUOTE]

I think it might work in the single 1.6 model. That machine has PCI slots instead of PCI-X, right?

[Mr Maui]

I just wonder, who promised 2.4-2.6 GHz to be available in six months?

Was it SJ or mr. Rumor.

Commodore 128

Still have my Commodore 128. :D

<wonder if it has "antique" status, and thus could claim big bucks on the open market. - LOL>

[Mr Maui]

Pentium III 0.450 GHz - introduced 26 Feb 1999 (250 nm process)
Pentium III 1.400 GHz - introduced 8 Jan 2002 (130 nm process)
speedup 3.1x

Pentium 4 1.40 GHz 256 KiB cache - intro 20 Nov 2000 (180 nm process)
Pentium 4 3.40 GHz 1024 KiB cache - intro 2 Feb 2004 (90 nm process)
speedup 2.4x

PPC 970 2.0 GHz - intro
speedup 0x

Note:
P3 timeframe = 35 months
P4 timeframe = 39 months
G5 timeframe = >10 months

Let's see where we're at in another 25-29 months before we try THIS comparison. If Apple releases 3 GHz by September, we'll be at 1.5x in just 15 months, on pace to destroy the P4 by these numbers, and to equal or beat the P3 by the time we hit 3 years.

[Waragainstsleep]

Excellent story, best post of the week for sure!

...The first word processing I’ve done was on my Commodore Amiga 500 (that I still have and still works!) This was also long before Windows 95 came out....


Mine still works too, And Sensible World of Soccer is the best game of all time.

The 1.6GHz G5 does have PCI.

[MacRAND]

Excellent story, MacRand. Beautiful!Thanks.
Until I wrote that looong history of me growing up with the computer age, I really didn't realize how old I really am. But since today, March 31st, is my birthday, trust me, all my family and friends are really rubbing it in with delight.

Looking back when there was no such thing as a "personal computer" that an ordinary person could own, really not even an electronic hand held calculator, or an LED or LCD to look at, just expensive B&W TV monitors or burning wires for digits, I can hardly believe that it's been 60 years since the Navy literally found "bugs" screwing up their gigantic (calculator) computer (not plural) running on vacuum tubes circa 1944...and we think that Apple has seemingly insurmountable Heat Problems putting the G5 chip in a tiny PowerBook. :rolleyes: Thank God the Navy's WWII computer is older than I am today, unfortunately, not by much. At least, I'm still working.

In just a few years, we'll be burning 150 GB BluRay Tri-Layer holographic discs for HiDef video on our Macs with the latest SuperDrives, spinning hard drives will be relegated to duties in refrigerators, water heaters, and intelligent trash compactors, while 500 GB CompactFlash cards will stay the same size and shape, but will run at 320x speed (not todays 40x, soon to be 80x) providing affordable massive memory for laptops, Camcorders, and iPod MicroMinis (version 9), which will have a color screen, projected surround sound from 4 tiny Bose speakers, and derive power from cold fusion batteries the size of a dime that last 3 years between recharges.

Since I have already waited patiently for the future that has unfolded before my very eyes, I can sure wait a few puny months for the 2nd build of a 15" G5 PowerBook with 16x dual-layer DVD burning SuperDrive and 4 FireWire1600 ports. :cool: ZOOM!

[rdowns]

Thanks.
Until I wrote that looong history of me growing up with the computer age, I really didn't realize how old I really am. But since today, March 31st, is my birthday, trust me, all my family and friends are really rubbing it in with delight.



Don't feel bad. A guy in the company next door turned 50 today. All the employees had t-shirts on that said Dave is 50 today on the front and Donated by AARP on the back.

Happy birthday!

[wdlove]

Don't feel bad. A guy in the company next door turned 50 today. All the employees had t-shirts on that said Dave is 50 today on the front and Donated by AARP on the back.

Happy birthday!

Happy B-Day MacRAND, I hope that you had a great day.

I'm a member of AARP. I actually joined when I was around 50.

[aswitcher]

Apple Resellers in Australia match US 23" screen $800 AUD mailback when purchasing it with a G5...offer ends 26 June...

So I don't expect much for April...

[Waragainstsleep]

UK Apple store has followed suit offering £270 off. (Or 400Euros). So the discount matches the US discount. It would be lovely if the original prices of the diplays were equivalent to the US......

Thats a minimum of £3000 (with a G5 1.6) for a discount of less than 10%.
Whereas your $3800 gets you a 13% discount.

Why anyone would buy one of these from Apple UK is beyond me. You can save $1500 by getting this deal from the US. Way less than a day return to NY or somewhere to pick it up.
So much for valuing the UK market highly.

[klaus]

Yes, I was waiting for this.. and now a new powermac, and i'll be settled :-)

No, seriously, there's something interesting in the promotion conditions..

(in dutch)Deze aanbieding is alleen geldig bij aanschaf van een van de volgende configuraties:alle Apple Power Mac G5-computers die gedurende de actieperiode verkrijgbaar zijn .Apple beeldscherm: M8537ZM/A 23-inch flat-panel Apple Cinema HD Display.

Translation of the bold text:
"All Power Mac G5 models available during the period in which the promotion is valid".

Well..don't exactly know what this really means, but hey, enough to make me think we will still see new powermacs prior to WWDC!

And then, i'll get this 23" as well :D

[fenlyn]

Hmm... on the coupon it says, "This offer may be combined with Apple's Impress for Less rebate."

What the heck is that promotion?

Brad

And my answer is http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/impress4less.html