Apple Pro Machines -- Still Coming?

[otter-boy]

you maybe right, but i think that this is not a supply problem of the PPC 970FX, I have heard that this is a problem of the system controller from apple. The fx chip is since december in production so far as I know

Yeah, I forgot about the new system controller. All of that will have to be revised for the 970fx. Hopefully Apple will be able to take advantage of the 90nm process to bring down costs and improve performance. But, they did get the Xserve shipping last week to general customers. I find it hard to believe that they can't get the system controller working correctly for the PM at about the same time. People also say it is ATi's fault, Hypertransport 2.0, faster DVD-R/RW drives, etc., etc. It would be nice if they could just add a Dual 2.2 or 2.4 GHz to the top of the line and drop the single 1.6 while they get their house in order.

[wdlove]

you maybe right, but i think that this is not a supply problem of the PPC 970FX, I have heard that this is a problem of the system controller from apple. The fx chip is since december in production so far as I know

Is this the next chip that IBM's vice-president spoke of last year? Is this a next step toward the G6?

[form]

*Yawn* You do, of course, realize that this is all a big mind game which Apple is the sole benefactor of, don't you? While seemingly unpleasant, all the downs make you appreciate the ups even more, and all the ups make you quasi-patiently wait for more ups, while enduring lots of downs.

If that company wasn't marketed to death by the effects of secrecy, and by the common mac user's sensitivity to little hints and suggestions (which is, in fact, generated by the impatience during downs, the secrecy, AND the lack of absolute superiority in the performance of Mac computers), then, at the rate which they've been going, Apple probably wouldn't be in business.

Your dissatisfaction is what they are using to their advantage. Do you know this? Even if you do, has it really, truly sunk in?

Remember, it's all a game; a very expensive, very large, and very self-centered game, and Apple is the primary controller of it. Now, Apple, it's about nearing that time for you to throw the dog a bone!....in a little while...in a little while longer...rumor. Rumor rumor rumor...something to look forward to!...darn, that one came to nothing. Hmm, what's this? Ohhh, this might be true, let's watch THAT! Wait, wait, wait, each hour of each day becomes more agonizing, until the fateful rumored date. Another fake! Meh, I didn't really expect it to be true, anyway...let's just be patient. Until another rumor shows up, with more alleged validity. PLEASE, APPLE! No go.

Now, the big question: Are you still interested? YEAH

[wrldwzrd89]

*Yawn* You do, of course, realize that this is all a big mind game which Apple is the sole benefactor of, don't you? While seemingly unpleasant, all the downs make you appreciate the ups even more, and all the ups make you quasi-patiently wait for more ups, while enduring lots of downs.

If that company wasn't marketed to death by the effects of secrecy, and by the common mac user's sensitivity to little hints and suggestions (which is, in fact, generated by the impatience during downs, the secrecy, AND the lack of absolute superiority in the performance of Mac computers), then, at the rate which they've been going, Apple probably wouldn't be in business.

Your dissatisfaction is what they are using to their advantage. Do you know this? Even if you do, has it really, truly sunk in?

Remember, it's all a game; a very expensive, very large, and very self-centered game, and Apple is the primary controller of it. Now, Apple, it's about nearing that time for you to throw the dog a bone!....in a little while...in a little while longer...rumor. Rumor rumor rumor...something to look forward to!...darn, that one came to nothing. Hmm, what's this? Ohhh, this might be true, let's watch THAT! Wait, wait, wait, each hour of each day becomes more agonizing, until the fateful rumored date. Another fake! Meh, I didn't really expect it to be true, anyway...let's just be patient. Until another rumor shows up, with more alleged validity. PLEASE, APPLE! No go.

Now, the big question: Are you still interested? YEAH
LOL! ...but that actually might have some truth to it - you never know what Apple really thinks about rumor sites anyway.

[Mac2004]

I sure found the below article on the Power Mac G5 interesting.... Has anyone experienced this problem with their G5 and has the problem been resolved by Apple?? Let me know!!

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/04q1/g5-noise.html

[ZildjianKX]

I sure found the below article on the Power Mac G5 interesting.... Has anyone experienced this problem with their G5 and has the problem been resolved by Apple?? Let me know!!

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/04q1/g5-noise.html

Our work just got a DP 2.0 G5 in yesterday, chirps like hell. My SP 1.8 has no problems though...

[El Duderino]

i work at a bestbuy in ohio, the current status of all our G5 towers and displays are "Deleted" they have been for atleast a week, if not longer. what this means...

1.best buy wont be selling apple computers anymore

2.best buy is trying to get rid of stock with the expectation of new product releases

the inventory in our district warehouse is down to about a total of 9 towers...something like 4 2.0ghz, 3 1.8ghz and 2 1.6ghz. the ditrict warehouse cant really be a reflection of the whole company but i can keep my hopes up. in the same way that im still waiting for the PB update to buy my first mac. (i didnt bother to check inventory on the displays)

[Flowbee]

*Yawn* You do, of course, realize that this is all a big mind game which Apple is the sole benefactor of, don't you?

If that company wasn't marketed to death by the effects of secrecy, and by the common mac user's sensitivity to little hints and suggestions...


I don't believe the 'common Mac user' has any knowledge of most rumors or rumor sites. People so often confuse the Mac enthusiasts and computer hobbyists on these sites for the 'typical' Mac user. It just isn't so.

Yes, Apple is aware of the rumor sites, and yes, rumors may have some impact on their sales (especially prior to a Macworld Expo), but to think that they make their major development and marketing decisions in order to manipulate the rumor mill is just... silly.

[appleface]

when is apple going to come out with something like this? tell me when apple puts dual 3.0s in one of these, please.

http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/

<--what's that red dot mean?

[jsw]

I sure found the below article on the Power Mac G5 interesting.... Has anyone experienced this problem with their G5 and has the problem been resolved by Apple?? Let me know!!

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/04q1/g5-noise.html

I'm pretty easily annoyed by such things, and I haven't noticed it in 7 months of ownership. The G5 does sit under my desk, which would reduce the issue, buthonestly I haven't heard it. Of course, now I'm at work, and, as soon as I go home, I will notice it and slowly go insane. Thanks for the post! ;)

Anyway, at least for me, it hasn't been a problem. Perhaps I'm one in a million, and I got one of the first ones shipped (I don't mean literally, but I had the dual-2 by September, so it hadn't had time to have the power supply reved).

[jade]

I don't believe the 'common Mac user' has any knowledge of most rumors or rumor sites. People so often confuse the Mac enthusiasts and computer hobbyists on these sites for the 'typical' Mac user. It just isn't so.


That's true...but people, especially those who have been considering buying a new mac...do notice that the current models have been around for a while, at the same price. Personally that is what lead me to the rumor sites...seeing the model I wanted didn't drop in price. I was like how can that be...is a new one coming out around the corner (That happened with the last computer I bought, and I didn't want it to happen again)

So let's pretend you are one of those people looking at the dp 2.0 g5...since June. Now it is march and the specs and price are the same. Makes you wanna hold off your purchase doesn't it.

So Apple should really stop trying to sell us 6-10 month olf technology at 1st day prices....especially when their competitors have increased comparable specs by 20-100% over the same time period.

1. DVD burners in notebooks: PC notebooks are at 4x even 8x. Powerbooks are stuck at 2x

2. Minimum system RAM is 256 on all models over $400, in cases of models over $1000 RAM is 512. eMAcs still ship with 128

3. Top level desktops ship with 128-256 VRAM. Mid-range systems ship with 64 MB VRAM. eMAcs and entry level iMAcs ship with 32MB.

4. Hard drives on mid to high end machines are 160gb. ($1000+) Apples do not get that much till you spend $2500.



Sounds to me like price drops are warranted...especially since updates don't seem to be happening till WWDC.

[StudioGuy]

I sure found the below article on the Power Mac G5 interesting.... Has anyone experienced this problem with their G5 and has the problem been resolved by Apple?? Let me know!!

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/04q1/g5-noise.html

Yes, running a recording studio, I'm desparately hoping rev B can fix this, as we can't buy until this is fixed. Folks with our identical setup have this problem for sure.

Guess the casual user is ok, though, but I thought Apple was trying to address our market </rant>.

Regarding the quiet SP1.8, yes it does seem to be just the duals.

[jsw]

I don't believe the 'common Mac user' has any knowledge of most rumors or rumor sites. People so often confuse the Mac enthusiasts and computer hobbyists on these sites for the 'typical' Mac user. It just isn't so.

Yes, Apple is aware of the rumor sites, and yes, rumors may have some impact on their sales (especially prior to a Macworld Expo), but to think that they make their major development and marketing decisions in order to manipulate the rumor mill is just... silly.

To go even further, based upon listening to customers when I visit the local Apple Stores, I don't think the average buyer is even all that aware of how old the line is. And, for that matter, I don't think the average PC buyer knows how long a given system has been on the shelf. They tend to buy what looks best of what is placed before them on the shelves. It's just that the PCs happen to be newer.

And I don't mean to insult buyers. But my observation has been that most of the people I've heard talking before buying a Mac at the Stores tend not to care and/or know about how ancient their purchase happens to be.

There's an Apple Store in the mall near me (Salem, NH), and my 3.5 year old daughter loves to play the games there, so I spend a lot of time wandering around waiting for her to finish.

[Wonder Boy]

when is apple going to come out with something like this? tell me when apple puts dual 3.0s in one of these, please.

http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/


oh man, do i want one of those!

[csubear]

here is my 2c why apple is drawing out these updates, is they want to get the most money out of what now is most likly a cheaper manfurcting process. the people apple is targeting are not us. they are not the poeple who read macrumors, and know excatly how long a particuar model has been out. It some guy/gal or pointy haired boss who is using m$ right now. These guys don't go and look when they think apple is going to update, if they are convinced to buy apple they do it now. Thats what i did. I bought a 800Mhz ibook, and found out i was getting a 900mhz ibook (last G3 ibook refresh april/2003), and thats what a lot of people do. They need/want an new computer now, not maybe next week/month when apple updates there products. Apple is more than happy to sell systems like this because after X months of a product release there margins increase, and they make more profit. Apple will put new products out when it is profitable for apple, not when it would make us macrumors people happy.

BUT... at this point apple need to update there products soon (1/2 months) becuase the x86 world is catching up to the G5, and the P-M is faster than our powerbooks.

We will see, within the next 1/2 months.
2.0, 2.3, 2.5 Powermacs.
1.2(12 inch),1.3(15 inch),1.4(15 inch),1.5(17) G4 powerbooks (the 1.5 G4 is good competion for the P-M, not matter how many people say the G4 is dead its not. The G4 has a shorter pipeline and a better altivec pipeline, futhermore the pipleine of the G4 is shorter than the P-M. The only thing that holds the G4 back is the current bus, if someone could design a true DDR bus for the G4 i would be more than happy to buy a computer with a G4 not matter how dead it is. If IBM would make a 1.5 GHz G3 and through it in an ibook i'd buy it, the G3(i don't use altivec that much) only has a 5 stage pipline, less than half that of the G4 and G5, and a fifth that of a P4.

1.6,1.8 G5 (moto can't get G4's that fast) imac by WWDC, i hope there isn't a major redesign, i love the white ibook, imac thing.

1.(something) G4 in a emac. i would like to see a g5 in there but that would cut into imac sales, and i think apple want to stop that.

1.0(12 inch), 1.2(14 inch) G4 ibooks by WWDC always keep below the powerbooks.

well anyways my 2c. I know alot of people say the same kinda of stuff, and i am not sure that we will see many of these before WWDC, but we can hope. If i think about if apple does any of these updates one at a time it will screw up their product grid, maybe they will do it. maybe they won't. i think its a big gamble for them to wait to WWDC to anouce all of these things. but that is the next big thing, and to update the whole product grid would take a big event (has an the whole apple product line ever been updated at once?) several months is a long time in the computer world. Apple is on the verge of a comeback, i know i have convinced 5 or 6 people to buy apple because of OS X(i think people have always had respect for apple hardware), but i do think that the next to excute the next 2-3 years flawlessly, and we will see a surge in apple market share 10-15% if they do everything right in the next 3-4 years. many, many people are sick of windows.. but any ways product delays kinda hurt, but sometimes they don't, most people don't know what 2.0 Ghz G5, or 3.0 Ghz P4 or any of that means.

so here it is, steve made the gamble. knowing who he is selling the most stuff to. we will not see a major product refresh till wwdc in june. i don't like it you don't like, but apple will....

[edit] - this was one train of though, so forgive me at the beging when i say 1/2 mounts. :)

[fpnc]

i work at a bestbuy in ohio, the current status of all our G5 towers and displays are "Deleted" they have been for atleast a week, if not longer. what this means...

1.best buy wont be selling apple computers anymore

2.best buy is trying to get rid of stock with the expectation of new product releases

the inventory in our district warehouse is down to about a total of 9 towers...something like 4 2.0ghz, 3 1.8ghz and 2 1.6ghz. the ditrict warehouse cant really be a reflection of the whole company but i can keep my hopes up. in the same way that im still waiting for the PB update to buy my first mac. (i didnt bother to check inventory on the displays)

The last I heard (a rumor on the internet) was that the Best Buy and Apple Computer "experiment" was over and that Macs would be disappearing from the few Best Buy locations that were actually carrying them. So, I think the answer is: 1. Best Buy won't be selling Apple Computers anymore.

[PRØBE]

I'm a "prosumer" (I do some illustration work now and again using painter+Photoshop)and an occasional gamer. I can afford to spend 2000 Euros.

For this amount (In Portugal) I can get either a 17 inch Imac 1.25ghz
or a 1.6 ghz G5 PPC. (only about 20 Euros difference in price). I have a 4 year old 17 inch studio display CRT which I imagine would hook up to a G5 tower...

I have a book job coming up soon so I can't wait much longer. My 4yr old G4 350 sawtooth is painfully slow.

I like everyone else it seems, have been waiting and waiting for these Rev B G5s (so that I might get a dual 1.8 for the 2000 and no power supply probs) or an imac upgrade to a G5 processor.

I'm not obsessed with speed, but I would feel ripped off paying the full wack for old tech. Especially if Apple upgrade them shortly after.

Which would be the best choice? I like the imacs, but just how OLD is that 1.25 G4? I mean if even ichat AV needs a 700mhz processor, how soon will I be out of the software loop?
I though a 1.8 single G5 would do the trick, but my local Apple store is selling them at 2610 Euros (only 100 euros less than the dual model). They don't sell any refurbs here.

Why don't they drop their prices dammit?

:mad:

[Mord]

for $800 you could get a dual 1.2ghz powerlogix upgrade to keep that tower going

[PRØBE]

for $800 you could get a dual 1.2ghz powerlogix upgrade to keep that tower going


Interesting. Wouldn't the 100mhz system bus and slow ram (sd100) bottleneck the processors? I'd probably have to fork out for a new graphics card too (currently 16meg rage)

[Mord]

the system bus and ram shouldent slow it that much and you can pop a radeon 9000 in there for not that much (or you can flash a pc card if your ether techniquely inclined or a cheap @ss)

[aftk2]

I think if nothing else, we can all agree that if Apple truly isn't going to release anything new till WWDC two important things will occur:

1) The next three months are going to have record low sales of these horrifically outdated models. (Yea they work, but c'mon)

You know what's terrible about computers? You pine for the model that you really, really want. It's far faster than what you have; it's specs are improved in every way. And then you get it. And for one blissful instant, it's everything you hoped it would be.

Then you get used to it. You become accustomed to its performance. And then you get irritated with it. I currently have a G4/400 w/640 megs of RAM running OS 9. Were I to buy a dual 2.0 Ghz PowerMac, it would be wonderful (and admittedly, with a G4/400 right now, I imagine it'd be wonderful for a looong time) - but slowly, ever so slowly, it would start to seem slower. It's completely illogical - stupid, even. But that's what happens. It happens with everything computer-related - displays, game performance, CPU, and high-speed internet. Increased performance leads to increased expectations.

This has everything to do with the quote above. I don't think I heard this much moaning, groaning and senseless hyperbole even when we were stuck with Motorola's languishing G4. You want dark times? Try having your high-end pro model PowerMac, complete with a pro model price tag, stuck at a max 500Mhz for 16 months (September 1999 to January 2001).

[Prom1]

OS X is just like the iTunes Music Store -- it is there to sell Apple hardware.

Think with me for a moment. All of us are already used to Apple pricing & release timing of new products for the past 5 yrs. That said, most of us are a little ticked because the otherside are selling competent machines (not the OS-Windows) for garage sale pricing. This is being done because those systems are old architecture anyway; recent hardware by AMD/Intel is in response to the "Threat" (a la Jay Z style) of the G5 (read the NAD thread footed by Dell). With OS X and its speed on Apple hardware recent G4's & G5 "are you not entertained? Isn't this why you've come?"; to quote Gladiator.
Most of us needing newer hardware either don't already own an Apple or a system that is more that 2yrs old. However I'm sure most of us would be Happy if iTunes Music Store launched in UK, Asia, and Canada before new hardware to enjoy them on;I do want to see $500 drop across the line if this comes to fruition to help sales. This will increase iPod sales but it does entice these buyers to buy new Apple hardware. What does that do for us? Well more money in Apple's pocket means more money for R&D, more for OS X development (Panther's improvement over Jaguar!!), and maybe more interestnig people to iChat with. Better yet maybe more company's to share files with and more apps!!!

So many of us stated that with IBM's processors Apple is in good hands. What hurts Apple is the pre-emptive announcements. Now that the company is outta debt, they should consider some of the manufacturing process of ASICS chips or mobo assembly in house to reduce shipment costs (having mobo made here then send their for new chips then send back for packaging then finally send here for assembly) and outsourcing.

With Apple
Apple, get that dirt of your shoulders!! :p ;)

[PRØBE]

[QUOTE=aftk2]You know what's terrible about computers? You pine for the model that you really, really want. It's far faster than what you have; it's specs are improved in every way. And then you get it. And for one blissful instant, it's everything you hoped it would be.

Then you get used to it. You become accustomed to its performance. And then you get irritated with it. I currently have a G4/400 w/640 megs of RAM running OS 9. Were I to buy a dual 2.0 Ghz PowerMac, it would be wonderful (and admittedly, with a G4/400 right now, I imagine it'd be wonderful for a looong time) - but slowly, ever so slowly, it would start to seem slower. It's completely illogical - stupid, even. But that's what happens. It happens with everything computer-related - displays, game performance, CPU, and high-speed internet. Increased performance leads to increased expectations.


It's not that illogical. The software you use is constantly being improved upon and upgraded. New features get added that can save you time or make your life easier.
You can either choose the path of ignoring new software versions until one day you find you have no choice because your computer will no longer run them, or you can upgrade incrementally and find that over time (3-4 years) your Mac will be over-burdened. This is my current situation.

[Coloredtoad26]

Lets stop guessing when things arrive they arrive sick of getting my hopes up every tuesday :mad: Theres not even any real proof that speed bumps are coming anytime soon and did steve jobs ever Promise dual 3.0 by the end of summer?? or did he just say "we would like to see dual 3.0 g5's by then" ??

[photohead]

Apple would be making so much money right now if they were to just release an update before the 3ghz models....I know I'm in line to by two.!!!!!

N

[cmoney]

You want dark times? Try having your high-end pro model PowerMac, complete with a pro model price tag, stuck at a max 500Mhz for 16 months (September 1999 to January 2001).

Yeah that sucked, but it doesn't mean it's okay to go this long without an update to the G5s.

[AppleJustWorks]

Now that I see no updates....I'm.......BORED


Great a whole aout 5 mos. of using this Stupid Dell with Winblows Xtra Problems.... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Now I've got to think of something to do to pass time..... :confused:

[Bendit]

Apple Promised the PowerMacs would reach 3ghz by Summer. Who's to say they won't release it before summer? I wouldn't be surprised if Apple pulled this move. It sure would surprise everyone. Maybe that's why the update is taking longer, because they expect to surprise everyone with a 3.0 ghz update in a month or two.

The G5 was the big news last summer, it won't be a second year in a row. I am guessing they'll get the G5 update to 3ghz before WWDC and then start the keynote with "We're all very happy with the 3ghz G5 but now I have something even better to show you... the brand new iMac".

[ssamani]

[QUOTE=aftk2]Then you get used to it. You become accustomed to its performance. And then you get irritated with it. I currently have a G4/400 w/640 megs of RAM running OS 9. Were I to buy a dual 2.0 Ghz PowerMac, it would be wonderful (and admittedly, with a G4/400 right now, I imagine it'd be wonderful for a looong time) - but slowly, ever so slowly, it would start to seem slower. It's completely illogical - stupid, even. But that's what happens. It happens with everything computer-related - displays, game performance, CPU, and high-speed internet. Increased performance leads to increased expectations.


I knew what you meant, until I thought there is something really wrong with my TiBook. Each OS upgrade 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 is supposed to be faster and my machine doesn't feel as slow as 10.1 but it's slower than it was. So I decided to download some shareware / demo software, Panther Cache Cleaner, which is completely inappropriate name for what it does. Carefully ran a bunch of the suggested utils, e.g., running OS X standard housekeeping, e.g., repair permissions, pre-binding, cleaup in /etc/daily, weekly and monthly and boom, my boot up times which used to take ages now is basically a pause for the disk check, the start up panel comes up with "Waiting for network" (my Airport network) and a half full (half empty) progress bar for a few seconds. Next thing I know the login panel pops up. Login itself seems a little slow still, but I think I am going to be a bit better with general housekeeping. Oh and I'm going to stop downloading so much open source and shareware junk I don't need. And leave enough space for the automatic defragmentation to work well.

Basically I'm going to remember I have a complex machine that needs taking care of like a car.

Sanj

[zot72]

I know this sub-thread died out pages ago, but I'm going to respond to it anyway.

The Aqua UI depends on everything provided by the CoreGraphics framework (marketed under a series of names beginning with "Quartz"). The effort to replace X11 in the Unix/Linux world with something comparable feature-wise began before Apple entered its final 18 months of corporate history (which is to say, ten times as many months ago).

This isn't a dig on that world, or bragging about this one, just pointing out there isn't some magical way for Apple to build a KDE/Gnome theme that turns anything with an X server into a Mac.

[Gymnut]

Well I'm sure Apple has its reasons to not introducing faster G5's. I for one would rather have them do things right and deliver a machine that will blow the brains out of the personal computer world. Certainly it's a disappointment and the rumors have been far and few between but I'd rather have a pro machine free of problems and defects than one that is rushed to the market.

[iAtom]

Now that I see no updates....I'm.......BORED


Great a whole aout 5 mos. of using this Stupid Dell with Winblows Xtra Problems.... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Now I've got to think of something to do to pass time..... :confused:

I am in the exact same position as you. I too am on a Dell with Winblows. I am dieing to make the switch.

I am hoping that they will announce them tommorrow at the IBM thing. But I will most likely come home from school and be dissapointed again. :( :mad: :( :mad:

[djbahdow01]

I am in the exact same position as you. I too am on a Dell with Winblows. I am dieing to make the switch.

I am hoping that they will announce them tommorrow at the IBM thing. But I will most likely come home from school and be dissapointed again. :( :mad: :( :mad:

Im with you guys, working on a Dell and trying to wait patiently for a new G5. The patient part isn't working to well but i am waiting. Although i know its not end of the world, they will eventually come out.

[wdlove]

The last I heard (a rumor on the internet) was that the Best Buy and Apple Computer "experiment" was over and that Macs would be disappearing from the few Best Buy locations that were actually carrying them. So, I think the answer is: 1. Best Buy won't be selling Apple Computers anymore.

I was at my local Best Buy on Sunday. The only thing that they were selling was the iPod and software.

[mojowantshappy]

The easier way to deal with a "lack of updates" is to really just stop caring until it comes. No amount of whining will make them release anything faster, and pining for it is just going to get one irritated.

[freddiecable]

agree on that one :)

don't worry be happy :cool:

The easier way to deal with a "lack of updates" is to really just stop caring until it comes. No amount of whining will make them release anything faster, and pining for it is just going to get one irritated.

[JoeG4]

fes up. only ~90 days to go until WWDC!

[form]

How often does apple Pleasantly surprise us, when it comes to power mac releases? Never! Never Ever. Even the G5 was quite overdue, and not very surprising.

[JamesDPS]

The easier way to deal with a "lack of updates" is to really just stop caring until it comes. No amount of whining will make them release anything faster, and pining for it is just going to get one irritated.

But the line will move faster if we all push as hard as we can! :rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

Patience is a virtue. :cool:

[AppleJustWorks]

Do you think that around WWDC they will introduce the G5 iMac? I'm dieing for a Mac, I want the most for my money...($2600-$2800).....If they make the iMac a G5 and they do not lower the prices on the displays(20" to be about 700?) I'm going to get an iMac.....

So my question is......
1. Will they come out with a G5 iMac and when?
2. What will its specs be?
3. Will they lower Prices on Displays....(I need the 20" to be about $700)

[Mac-Xpert]

How often does apple Pleasantly surprise us, when it comes to power mac releases? Never! Never Ever. Even the G5 was quite overdue, and not very surprising.Actually there was a little surprise. Every rumor site only mentioned dual 1.8 as to be the top speed. With the announcement of a dual 2.0 Ghz right away Apple did surprise most people.

Of course the only bad part was that they didn't ship till after September ;)

[neonart]

Do you think that around WWDC they will introduce the G5 iMac? I'm dieing for a Mac, I want the most for my money...($2600-$2800).....If they make the iMac a G5 and they do not lower the prices on the displays(20" to be about 700?) I'm going to get an iMac.....

So my question is......
1. Will they come out with a G5 iMac and when?
2. What will its specs be?
3. Will they lower Prices on Displays....(I need the 20" to be about $700)

1. After the towers and maybe the Powerbooks.
2. Less than the towers and Powerbooks.
3. Probably, but not quite that much I don't think. Maybe $999.

Why get an iMac if you have a $2800 budget? (besides the all in one setup) You can get an entry level G5 and a nice display for about that much. Right now a 1.6 G5 and the Apple 20" are $3098. And you get a MUCH more upgradeable machine.
You can also do a Formac 20" (not widescreen, but higher resolution, and better specs) for the same price.
Or get another, smaller display if nessesary. But the machine itself will be more useful -Just a though- Usually towers go alot longer than iMacs do. There are still many people on these forums with G4 400-500 (upgraded or not) towers from around 1999. But the iMacs of that era are becoming unusable and are much harder and expensive to upgrade.

But I will tell you the iMacs "floating screen" is very cool!

[visor]

Exactly. Someone said in the previous Brilliant thread: why pay day 1 prices for 6 month old technology? No thanks, I'll wait. And that's Apple's problem. Didn't Steve Jobs say he wanted to get away from a few big releases a year to more often, smaller releases?

Would make a lot of sense, too.
When I remember my Student days with little income, waited a long time, bought second hand PC hardware cheap and in pieces to get a maschine that actually works, over the years, when good bargains where available.

with the ibook - well, it's upgraded all the way - nothing to be enhanced there anymore. It's usable, so there is no need to go for a large expesive update...
If I was still using the pc primarely, i'd have bought one or two new processors, a new graphics card, an new HD, bags of memory within the last 1.5 years...

hm.

[Mr Maui]

Who believes MacOSRumors anymore? Their track record is horrible. That upcoming IBM event does sound interesting, however. I'd like to see if any news comes out of it.

Does the track record mean something? Maybe the moderator had a vision last night. :eek:

[Mr Maui]

I think if nothing else, we can all agree that if Apple truly isn't going to release anything new till WWDC two important things will occur:

1) The next three months are going to have record low sales of these horrifically outdated models. (Yea they work, but c'mon)

2) We are all going to be increasingly pissed off. :mad:

3) When the new Macs ARE released, we'll all forget our unhappiness and go out and spend, Spend, SPEND!!!! Like Always. :D

[Mr Maui]

look at this link
http://www.mdronline.com/watch/watch_abstract.asp?Volname=Issue%20%23116&SID=1019&on=T&SourceID=00000377000000000000

this is a link from ibm website and this means that powermacs should arrive soon and powerbooks will also come out this year.

And some people are complaining about the availabitlity of apple products after an announcement... this is apple's strategy to prevent photos of new products before the announcement, I think Apple starts production not until the product is announced. ok, it's a different thing for just update of an existing product

um ... the article you linked to is 10 weeks old (1-20-04) :confused:

[Mr Maui]

LOL! ...but that actually might have some truth to it - you never know what Apple really thinks about rumor sites anyway.

Apple LOVES rumor sites!! It keep people wondering, pondering, talking, etc. about their company, their products, their NAME!! Rumor sites are Apple's BIGGEST advertiser ... and ... it this form of marketing doesn't cost them a dime!!

[Borg3of5]

About once a week for the last 5-6 months, I have visited my local Apple store and spent about 5-10 minutes on each current G5 model. The Dual 2.0 GHz G5 ROCKS, and so does the Dual 1.8 GHz, albeit infintessimally slower. The single 1.6 GHz though, this time, seemed slow as molassas, compared to the dual processor models.

I keep on thinking to wait to get my G5. My 800 MHz G3 iBook I'm on right now, is TWICE as fast as my 1.0 GHz Gateway laptop, which I only use occasionally; it's been delegated to the small peanut-desk by the kitchen to look up recipes, and access my iTunes library while cooking, or web-access while waiting for some kitchen process to finish.

The "Brilliant Savings" program is great. No need to get a 20", just shell out the extra $400 for a 23" HD Cinema; it's simply beautiful! I can just imagine watching a DVD on that puppy!

[jsw]

About once a week for the last 5-6 months, I have visited my local Apple store and spent about 5-10 minutes on each current G5 model. The Dual 2.0 GHz G5 ROCKS, and so does the Dual 1.8 GHz, albeit infintessimally slower. The single 1.6 GHz though, this time, seemed slow as molassas, compared to the dual processor models.

There is a noticeable difference when comparing the three models side-by-side (the 1.8 and the 2.0 are practically identical,making the dual-1.8 - which wasn't available when I got my dual-2 - the best buy IMHO). However, in day-to-day tasks, the 1.6 isn't so bad at all. Sort of like when you go to buy a TV and they all look tiny compared to the 80" model in the center of the store. But, at home, the one you bought looks just fine.

However, I think the dual-1.8 is well worth the price increase over the single 1.6.

[Jookbox]

Apple Promised the PowerMacs would reach 3ghz by Summer.

i don't know if apple promised anything.

[jade]

i don't know if apple promised anything.

Actualy SJ said

"3 ghz in 12 months"

When it was announce at last year's WWDC. And we all know typically Apple doesn't put dates on anything.

[iriejedi]

Ok so the title is false - BUT today I was at the SJ Hilton (ajoins the SJ convention center) and on my way to the garage I shared an elevator with an Apple guy attending IDC at the SJ Convention center (his card had Sr. on it while this could be Sr custodial engineer since I do not knwo what IDC is..... it was a Sr title)

So not being able to resist.... I said hay [Anonymous Guy] - the names have been changed to protect the innocent -, when are the new G5s coming and after he mocked my B/w G3 with a 550mhz G4 card... he said my brain would melt with any of the current G5s (probably true) - but I pulled the old argument...well Stevie Jobs PROMISED me 3gig by July - so I can wait til then I've waited this long - to which he replied as he strolled off in the echoing garage "You will not have to wait long".

This is proof that upgrades are coming! Of course that is so specific that I could have talked to a fry clerk at Mcdonalds and achieved the SAME level of insight. Heck even some of my windows friends would not argue that fact.

But the twinkle in his eye told me that there will be bumps soon and that would give 4 month (all April, may, june and July) til 3gig G5 deadline and another 3-4 months til the 3gig ones ship - huh... huh... check it out... a 6-8 month gap between upgrades... sounds spadoinklely cool to me!

Of course I want you all to remember Free Crab 'Tomorrow' at Joe's Crab Shack.

Iriejedi

PS - the catchy term Spadoinkel - is frrom "Cannable The Musicle" - great musicle about the Doner Party but leave people who respect you and sober people out of the room. Matt and Trey's first film out of film school (south park dudes) -

I think we'll be seeing new product soon. I really don't believe this will be too long a dry spell....

[Mr Maui]

Ok so the title is false - BUT today I was at the SJ Hilton (ajoins the SJ convention center) and on my way to the garage I shared an elevator with an Apple guy attending IDC at the SJ Convention center (his card had Sr. on it while this could be Sr custodial engineer since I do not knwo what IDC is..... it was a Sr title)

So not being able to resist.... I said hay [Anonymous Guy] - the names have been changed to protect the innocent -, when are the new G5s coming and after he mocked my B/w G3 with a 550mhz G4 card... he said my brain would melt with any of the current G5s (probably true) - but I pulled the old argument...well Stevie Jobs PROMISED me 3gig by July - so I can wait til then I've waited this long - to which he replied as he strolled off in the echoing garage "You will not have to wait long".

This is proof that upgrades are coming! Of course that is so specific that I could have talked to a fry clerk at Mcdonalds and achieved the SAME level of insight. Heck even some of my windows friends would not argue that fact.

But the twinkle in his eye told me that there will be bumps soon and that would give 4 month (all April, may, june and July) til 3gig G5 deadline and another 3-4 months til the 3gig ones ship - huh... huh... check it out... a 6-8 month gap between upgrades... sounds spadoinklely cool to me!

And then he woke up from the dream. The "sparkle in his eye" comment confirmed dream status! ;)

[neonart]

When does the "new quarter" start? Maybe then? :confused:

[iAtom]

Actualy SJ said

"3 ghz in 12 months"

When it was announce at last year's WWDC. And we all know typically Apple doesn't put dates on anything.

I don't think that was a very smart thing to say. Now a lot of people won't buy the current models because they know faster ones are coming.

[iriejedi]

And then he woke up from the dream. The "sparkle in his eye" comment confirmed dream status! ;)


I was trying to reference Santa Clause - I guess I should have used Twinkle - not sparkle - to indicate that there was a hint of new toys coming soon!

:eek:

Patiente is the virtue of a jedi - relaxation is the key to being Irie -

so be an Irie Jedi and soon will come soon enough!

[invaLPsion]

When does the "new quarter" start? Maybe then? :confused:

Tomorrow. :D

Seriously, I'm not kidding.

[iAtom]

Tomorrow. :D

Seriously, I'm not kidding.

I doubt they will release anything tommorrow, on a thursday, but next tuesday, April 6 seems like a good day. :D

[invaLPsion]

Ok so the title is false - BUT today I was at the SJ Hilton (ajoins the SJ convention center) and on my way to the garage I shared an elevator with an Apple guy attending IDC at the SJ Convention center (his card had Sr. on it while this could be Sr custodial engineer since I do not knwo what IDC is..... it was a Sr title)

So not being able to resist.... I said hay [Anonymous Guy] - the names have been changed to protect the innocent -, when are the new G5s coming and after he mocked my B/w G3 with a 550mhz G4 card... he said my brain would melt with any of the current G5s (probably true) - but I pulled the old argument...well Stevie Jobs PROMISED me 3gig by July - so I can wait til then I've waited this long - to which he replied as he strolled off in the echoing garage "You will not have to wait long".

This is proof that upgrades are coming! Of course that is so specific that I could have talked to a fry clerk at Mcdonalds and achieved the SAME level of insight. Heck even some of my windows friends would not argue that fact.

But the twinkle in his eye told me that there will be bumps soon and that would give 4 month (all April, may, june and July) til 3gig G5 deadline and another 3-4 months til the 3gig ones ship - huh... huh... check it out... a 6-8 month gap between upgrades... sounds spadoinklely cool to me!

Of course I want you all to remember Free Crab 'Tomorrow' at Joe's Crab Shack.

Iriejedi

PS - the catchy term Spadoinkel - is frrom "Cannable The Musicle" - great musicle about the Doner Party but leave people who respect you and sober people out of the room. Matt and Trey's first film out of film school (south park dudes) -

Is this a true story?

If it isn't, please don't mess with our minds like that. It's not cool.

[invaLPsion]

I doubt they will release anything tommorrow, on a thursday, but next tuesday, April 6 seems like a good day. :D

Every day is a good day to release powermac updates. :D

(As long as that day is fairly soon, that is.) ;)

[neonart]

Every day is a good day to release powermac updates. :D

(As long as that day is fairly soon, that is.) ;)

I agree. It's true that on average things happen on Tuesdays, but it's no rule. Besides, I'll take anything they give us, any day of the week! :D

[DavidM]

Is it possible updates come tomorrow to coincide with the launch of the Pro Care program?

[Sped]

Is it possible updates come tomorrow to coincide with the launch of the Pro Care program?

Anything is possible. Hopefully there will be updates soon, but I have the sinking feeling that Apple is waiting for a convention like WWDC. The longer the gap between upgrades becomes, the more I think Apple is ready to release big things, and Apple usually releases big things at conventions. I was hoping all the cpus would be incrementally bumped before the next big show, but now I am starting to think nothing is going to happen before WWDC.

[clr900]

Hey at least we got our new music tuesday today, I mean come on what else do we all look forwards to every tuesday??! :rolleyes:

[JamesDPS]

Anything is possible. Hopefully there will be updates soon, but I have the sinking feeling that Apple is waiting for a convention like WWDC. The longer the gap between upgrades becomes, the more I think Apple is ready to release big things, and Apple usually releases big things at conventions. I was hoping all the cpus would be incrementally bumped before the next big show, but now I am starting to think nothing is going to happen before WWDC.

Yeah I've gotten to accept that likelihood, as well... I think the issue is going to be shipping times. If they ARE waiting until WWDC, therefore giving us a HUGE update (+50% max proc speeds, and presumably tons of other improvements? huge!), they had better be ready to ship pretty soon after. Waiting three months after no announcements for a year would be pretty suck. If they were going to be shipping them late, however, that seems to improve the chances of an interim speed bump (with little or no wait for shipping), which would pretty much fall smack dab between the September shipping dates last year and later this year.

So while everyone says "next Tuesday" all together now, what's the concensus regarding buying after a (perhaps hypothetical) speed bump SOON, vs. waiting for the magical 3.0 release in a few months? I know you can play the waiting game forever, but people around here with better 'puter chops could probably give their opinions about a "sweet spot" (time-wise) to buy?


EDIT: and I will not accept "buy now if you need it -- the G5 is still good, even if you're paying tons of money for a half-year-old computer" as an answer.

[iAtom]

So while everyone says "next Tuesday" all together now, what's the concensus regarding buying after a (perhaps hypothetical) speed bump SOON, vs. waiting for the magical 3.0 release in a few months? I know you can play the waiting game forever, but people around here with better 'puter chops could probably give their opinions about a "sweet spot" (time-wise) to buy?

I will definately be buying after the next release no matter when it is. I see your point though, I think if you can wait for the 3 GHz release it would be a good idea.

[Forevercoolin]

I think Apple will be announcing the rev b 3Ghz G5 at NAB April 19 -24 along with updates for Shake and possibly other pro products.. This is the best venue for the rev b G5's because it'll be full of potential buyers of highend hardware & software.. Last years NAB brought us FCP 4, DVD studio, and Shake 3..Then at WWDC SJ will announce G5 power books and possibly G5 Imacs..


Makes sense to me.

[allroy]

Pixar can make the most incredible movies, but you don't hear it associated with the name Steve Jobs do you. Steve Job's pride and reputation (not to mention large chunk of income) rests solely on that little computer company called Apple. He is far to driven and dedicated screw things up especially where they are now... ESPECIALLY from the tattered pieces he managed to rebuild Apple from (thanks Gill). Apple and IBM pretty much had to get the initial G5 into the market to help with some damage control thanks to Motorola and their lack of well pretty much anything. But after the PPC970 was delivered that gave Apple and IBM time to work on the next chip that will scale to 3GHZ and beyond (Some inital white papers had the 970 only scaling to 1.8). So the one thing you can count on is Steve Jobs pulling a rabbit out of his hat yet again and wowing the crowd like he always does, only this time it's going to be a 1,2,3 punch (fill in what the 1,2,3 is yourself). And yes it is going to be a highly public venue... WWDC sounds good to me. Also I would count on the top of the line machines shipping first. Why waste potential sales losses shipping the entry level machines first?

So if a 2GHZ G5 isn't good enough for you and that makes you run out and buy a Wintel box, it's only your lose, especially when you get to see what is really just the tip of the iceburg for the Apple/IBM partnership.

cheers,
-j

[AppleJustWorks]

Pixar can make the most incredible movies, but you don't hear it associated with the name Steve Jobs do you. Steve Job's pride and reputation (not to mention large chunk of income) rests solely on that little computer company called Apple. He is far to driven and dedicated screw things up especially where they are now... ESPECIALLY from the tattered pieces he managed to rebuild Apple from (thanks Gill). Apple and IBM pretty much had to get the initial G5 into the market to help with some damage control thanks to Motorola and their lack of well pretty much anything. But after the PPC970 was delivered that gave Apple and IBM time to work on the next chip that will scale to 3GHZ and beyond (Some inital white papers had the 970 only scaling to 1.8). So the one thing you can count on is Steve Jobs pulling a rabbit out of his hat yet again and wowing the crowd like he always does, only this time it's going to be a 1,2,3 punch (fill in what the 1,2,3 is yourself). And yes it is going to be a highly public venue... WWDC sounds good to me. Also I would count on the top of the line machines shipping first. Why waste potential sales losses shipping the entry level machines first?

So if a 2GHZ G5 isn't good enough for you and that makes you run out and buy a Wintel box, it's only your lose, especially when you get to see what is really just the tip of the iceburg for the Apple/IBM partnership.

cheers,
-j




*Claps* ;)

[Downdivx]

I think Apple will be announcing the rev b 3Ghz G5 at NAB April 19 -24 along with updates for Shake and possibly other pro products.. This is the best venue for the rev b G5's because it'll be full of potential buyers of highend hardware & software.. Last years NAB brought us FCP 4, DVD studio, and Shake 3..Then at WWDC SJ will announce G5 power books and possibly G5 Imacs..


Makes sense to me.

My money is on something like this. (Literally, I've pretty much got to buy after NAB).

W

[freddiecable]

what about WWDC - works perfectly well for launching PowerMac G5 Dual 3 Ghz...a conference for developers ;) but I hope it will not take that long :rolleyes:

I think Apple will be announcing the rev b 3Ghz G5 at NAB April 19 -24 along with updates for Shake and possibly other pro products.. This is the best venue for the rev b G5's because it'll be full of potential buyers of highend hardware & software.. Last years NAB brought us FCP 4, DVD studio, and Shake 3..Then at WWDC SJ will announce G5 power books and possibly G5 Imacs..


Makes sense to me.

[jsw]

what about WWDC - works perfectly well for launching PowerMac G5 Dual 3 Ghz...a conference for developers ;) but I hope it will not take that long :rolleyes:

Sounds more likely than NAB. I suppose they could go right from 2 GHz to 3 GHz with no intermediate jump. I still expect a 2.4-2.6 GHz announcement prior to any 3 GHz one.

[Forevercoolin]

My theory is that for SJ to make a bold statement like 3Ghz in a year means he must have known they would be ready long before then. So i think Apple will surprise us at NAB and then they'll "shock and awe" everybody at WWDC with the G5 Power Books, new displays, and the Imac G5. AT MWSF well see OS 10.4.

[Robin Hood]

I was at an Apple sponsored training event this week. The Apple presenter said to "go to the Apple home page for new product announcements on the Sunday of NAB" (April 18). Although he obviously did not specify the products, I believe he was referring to the PM/display updates.

[iriejedi]

Is this a true story?

If it isn't, please don't mess with our minds like that. It's not cool.

Story 100% true (OK 99.9%)

Except for the twinkle in eye thing.... story totally true - but even I myself took the phrase "Be patient you will not have to wait long" to mean anytime between now and July (I'm runnign a B/W G3 with a 550 G4 card in it - I've got patients).... look at the delay for the XServe - I'm sure they planed to ship that 'soon' too.... so I feel this is no PROOF that we have days or weeks to wiat - but it is a TRUE STORY so I wanted to blab it everywhere since my only other contact with an Apple employee was the lady handing out sT-hirts at the SF Apple store grand opening!

Also - for you nay sayers who feel that if true this guy hurt apple sales by stopping people from buying now cause new ones are coming - common no one doubts new ones are coming so even without this story - if you had read any post prior to mine - and you did NOT have the spark of HOPE that new machines are coming 'soon' - you'd be buying by now. In fact unless Apple goes out of business there will always be new machines 'coming soon'!

Iriejedi

:-)

Even the movie Cannible the Musice is a real movie! Awesome!

[jsw]

My theory is that for SJ to make a bold statement like 3Ghz in a year means he must have known they would be ready long before then. So i think Apple will surprise us at NAB and then they'll "shock and awe" everybody at WWDC with the G5 Power Books, new displays, and the Imac G5. AT MWSF well see OS 10.4.

That would be great. I don't expect it, but it would be great. It's been a pretty dismal six months or so, and obviously we all need some good news. I still think we'll see mid-2GHz G5's months before we see a 3GHz one, but I'd love to be wrong. I'm guessing a high-end Xserver-type deal with new or enhanced software for NAB, but better displays and PM systems would be great. I'm just pessimistic about displays, because the $500 offer on the 23" goes for another few months.

[klaus]

I was at an Apple sponsored training event this week. The Apple presenter said to "go to the Apple home page for new product announcements on the Sunday of NAB (April 18). Although he obviously did not specify the products, I believe he was referring to the PM/display updates.

is this an april fools joke..?
or for real.. you are playing with our lives here :)

[AppleJustWorks]

I was at an Apple sponsored training event this week. The Apple presenter said to "go to the Apple home page for new product announcements on the Sunday of NAB (April 18). Although he obviously did not specify the products, I believe he was referring to the PM/display updates. :)


Uhh. don't think this to likely....Why would apple release product updates on NAB? Ooh well, even though I donth think its very likely I sure would like to see it!

PowerMac G5 Rev. B Here I come! :p

[invaLPsion]

Uhh. don't think this to likely....Why would apple release product updates on NAB? Ooh well, even though I donth think its very likely I sure would like to see it!

PowerMac G5 Rev. B Here I come! :p

Why not? Powermac G5s are used by professionals everywhere to edit media. Plus, it is an Apple presentation. Updates at NAB make sense to me... :)

[Mr Maui]

Why not? Powermac G5s are used by professionals everywhere to edit media. Plus, it is an Apple presentation. Updates at NAB make sense to me... :)

I'd have to say that updates anywhere and any time, at this point would make sense. No updates is the only thing NOT making sense. ;)

[Robin Hood]

No, my quote from the Apple presenter was not an April Fool's Day joke. Now I must say, he did not say what updates were coming, only that updates would be announced on Sunday at NAB. Granted, they could be software or other hardware updates, but my impression was that it was the PM updates.

[Downdivx]

A friend of mine who is an apple reseller to the film and video production industry has said that the Xgrid technology was going to be moved to Shake in Q2 2004. Its a pretty reliable source, so this could be the NAB announcement.

W

[alexf]

Does anyone have any guesses about whether the new displays - whenever they are finally released - will have significant improvements over the current ones, or will do you think the differences will primarily be aesthetic?

Oh, and, by the way, does anyone else agree that the new aluminum theme is just plain ugly? As for the G5s: what can possibly be so appealing about a monstrously oversized boxy metal computer? From a purely aesthetic standpoint, the G4s were much miles better than the G5s...

I doubt, however, the most people buy these fast and powerful computers primarily on aesthetic grounds...

[aswitcher]

Does anyone have any guesses about whether the new displays - whenever they are finally released - will have significant improvements over the current ones, or will do you think the differences will primarily be aesthetic?


I suspect end of June for WWDC...given the current 23" promotion sale (as discussed at length in that forum list).

We expect a new form factor to match the G5 brushed metal look.

Hopefully screens will have higher resolutions, better refresh rates, narrow form factor, options for arm mounting as well as bezel. USB 2.0 might be a goer as well.


Oh, and, by the way, does anyone else agree that the new aluminum theme is just plain ugly? As for the G5s: what can possibly be so appealing about a monstrously oversized boxy metal computer? From a purely aesthetic standpoint, the G4s were much miles better than the G5s...



Well I can;t say I agree with you on that... :p

[AppleJustWorks]

Hmm...I think the G5's look is just "stunning". It looks much more powerful than the G4. The G4 resembles good looks, but the G5 resembles "brute strength" :p

[freddiecable]

yes - after having had the G5 for a while...it looks potent but stylish at the same time...especially from the side...the brushed metal looks very exclusive...

oh - well. back to the subject. I find it very strange for apple not having released any speed bumps since the release of the G5 :rolleyes: if they release dual 2.4 on the top in the next couple of weeks i will certainly not expect dual 3 ghz by the end of summer...dual 2.6 Ghz would be more acceptable

Hmm...I think the G5's look is just "stunning". It looks much more powerful than the G4. The G4 resembles good looks, but the G5 resembles "brute force" :p

[Dont Hurt Me]

G5 is nice but not selling in qtys like they hoped. It still needs a little work. why such a big machine for only a 1.6? why not colors ?maybe white & black? why not let the customer build his own say a single 2.0 and 9800xt? why not have todays video cards instead of yesterdays? G5 still needs some polish and why we are at it why not a 64 bit OS. I wont even mention the G4s whats the point?

[Trab]

As far as your fist question regarding the G5 is concerned. I never implied that the Mac will die suddenly overnight. I think that the platform will dwindle away over the next four or five years. I believe that Apple is planning on shifting their focus to non-Mac areas of their business (eg. ITMS iPod). This transition will take some time. In the mean time they need to keep the Mac reasonabely viable in order to be able to survive during that transitional period.


Hi There,

I use UNIX everyday at work, and have tried Linux at home, since I enjoy the power and flexability of *NIX OS's. If you're going to choose Linux, make sure you get an NVIDIA video card, and stay away from the NForce 2 motherboards. The one issue with Linux that keeps me from moving to use it as my home desktop is that the nature of an Open Source OS such as this is that you're at the mercy of either the hardware vendor or motivated individuals to provide decent drivers for you. My gaming PC has an ATI video card and the afore-mentioned Nforce2 chipset, and I can't run anything beyond basic, command-line Linux for more than an hour or two without a hard lockup. Until that situation improves, I won't be using Linux at home.

Linux is gaining market share, but until they can get their act together (unified desktop, reduce the number of distros, better current hardware support), they will not make any significant inroads into the desktop market. The current fiasco with XFree86 will spell trouble for Linux as a desktop until that gets resolved, or a replacement for the X server comes along.

I for one will be curious to see how the Xserve G5's are received. If Apple can get a decent corporate IT support operation going, I think the Xserve's could become a significant source of revenue for Apple, and help boost G5 sales across the board.

My wife is a teacher, and we're looking at picking up G5 some time this spring or summer, since she uses Macs at school and is the on-site 'expert' for such things. I am looking forward to getting to know Macs again. I had a Mac classic, and an Apple IIe (and II+) before that. I took a long hiatus from Macs during the 90's but am getting very tired of watching my supposedly fast XP box get slower and slower with each new hotfix, service pack, etc.

My $.02

[nightcap965]

I fear I must disagree with you. As the owner of the big 64 Color Box (with built-in sharpener!) of Crayola Crayons, I'm sure you'll agree I'm eminently qualified to be an arbiter of taste and aesthetics.

The original Compact Macs were quirky and friendly looking. "Come play with me! I'm cute and non-threatening!" This happy state of affairs continued into the LC pizza boxes, but by the time the PowerMacs hit, they were Just Another Boring Beige Box with neither heart nor soul.

Then Steve returned, bringing with him Jonathan Ive and the iMac. "Come play with me!" laughed the iMac cheerily. "I'm cute and colorful and humorous and non-threatening!" The PowerMac G4s were less cute - slighly menacing, in fact, but still colorful.

Then came the LCD Imacs. Snow-white dome, white keyboard, chrome monitor support, clear lucite monitor surround. "Don't touch me! Keep your grubby hands away! You'll leave fingerprints!" The only thing good I've heard about them from others is "The monitor seems suspended in space." A nice decoration, but not a working machine.

Now comes the PowerMac G5. It's big. It's metal. It looks like it has to be big and metal in order to contain the screaming forces inside. It says, "Power. Raw, brute, merciless Power!" It's not pretty, but it looks solid.

I have to confess that I hate the white keyboard and the white mouse. Both are still in the box. I've got a nice black Kensington keyboard and a six-button Logitech mouse, and I'm happy. The 23" Cinema display doesn't really fit, either, but then, anything that big creates its own statement. The Hancock Tower doesn't match anything around it - it's up to the lesser buildings to fit in with the Hancock Tower.

Personally, the best thing Steve ever created was the NeXT cube: black magnesium, black 17" Megapixel display, black keyboard, black mouse, big black laser printer... light bends in that corner of the room.

The one theme I hope Apple will lose quickly is the damned "THX-1138" white. It's not a good color for daily use. My iBook is only a couple months old and already looking dingy.

In the words of the Rolling Stones, "Paint it Black!"

Oh, and, by the way, does anyone else agree that the new aluminum theme is just plain ugly? As for the G5s: what can possibly be so appealing about a monstrously oversized boxy metal computer? From a purely aesthetic standpoint, the G4s were much miles better than the G5s...

I doubt, however, the most people buy these fast and powerful computers primarily on aesthetic grounds...

[alexf]

Now comes the PowerMac G5. It's big. It's metal. It looks like it has to be big and metal in order to contain the screaming forces inside. It says, "Power. Raw, brute, merciless Power!" It's not pretty, but it looks solid.



Yes, I agree that it looks solid and gives an impression of raw, brute power.
Yet this very masculine, corporate look has never been something that I associated with Apple (I have, incidentally, been using a Mac since 1985), especially since the advent of the iMac.

In any case, I think everyone would agree that the things are simply much too big. Aren't computers supposed to get smaller as the years go by, not (considerably) larger? :confused:

[Evan_11]

Well I just grudged myself to order a refurb dual 2.0 from the Apple store.

Now that I have made this sacrifice I can guarantee you that there will be updates within 2 weeks :eek:

I just couldn't wait any longer. I was tempted by a new dual 1.8 for around the same cost but a recent test over on barefeets showed the 2.0 being 18% faster in Final Cut. I'll take any incremental increase in speed I can get. I also plan on putting 4GB of ram in there since that seems to be the sweet spot.

The $1500 Cinema display is a nice deal but I think I'll go with a Samsung 21" LCD.

Now my biggest concern is that because I'm buying a refurb do I worry about receiving a faulty product or worse a lemon :mad: Anyone with experience here?

[nightcap965]

Too Big? I receive at least a dozen email messages per day that tell me there's no such thing as too big! My G5 is muy macho!

Maybe it's because I'm a switcher (no, no, not that kind of switcher), but I think of it as kind of small. The G5 PM is at least a foot shorter than my Linux server.

As long as it fits comfortably under a desk, I'm all in favor of Big. More space inside the box means cooler temperatures. Apple has always gotten into thermal trouble when it tries to make things too small (witness the Cube).



Yes, I agree that it looks solid and gives an impression of raw, brute power.
Yet this very masculine, corporate look has never been something that I associated with Apple (I have, incidentally, been using a Mac since 1985), especially since the advent of the iMac.

In any case, I think everyone would agree that the things are simply much too big. Aren't computers supposed to get smaller as the years go by, not (considerably) larger? :confused:

[nightcap965]

Hi Evan,

Greetings, fellow pioneer! The Rev. B. won't be available for another week - it has to be over ten days from the time I purchased mine. I hope the people on this website appreciate the sacrifice we've made for them.

I would say that the refurbs would be more reliable than the originals, since they've had their burn-in test and had the rough edges polished. My own box went back to the Apple Store yesterday because the optical drive wasn't properly installed and wouldn't open. (Minor glitch, could have fixed it myself, but I wanted to see how the Apple Genius handled it. The machine was restored to perfect working order in five minutes.)

Enjoy!

Well I just grudged myself to order a refurb dual 2.0 from the Apple store.

Now that I have made this sacrifice I can guarantee you that there will be updates within 2 weeks :eek:

I just couldn't wait any longer. I was tempted by a new dual 1.8 for around the same cost but a recent test over on barefeets showed the 2.0 being 18% faster in Final Cut. I'll take any incremental increase in speed I can get. I also plan on putting 4GB of ram in there since that seems to be the sweet spot.

The $1500 Cinema display is a nice deal but I think I'll go with a Samsung 21" LCD.

Now my biggest concern is that because I'm buying a refurb do I worry about receiving a faulty product or worse a lemon :mad: Anyone with experience here?

[neonart]

Well I just grudged myself to order a refurb dual 2.0 from the Apple store...

Now my biggest concern is that because I'm buying a refurb do I worry about receiving a faulty product or worse a lemon :mad: Anyone with experience here?

I've purchased several Apple refurb items including the G4 I'm this on. I've never had any issues with any of them. My iPod is a refurb as well and it's solid as a rock.
It may just be a bad RAM chip or HD that caused it to come back and they simply replace it and send it to be sold as a refurb. You get the same warranty- and as a rule of thumb if a Mac lasts the first year without issues- it's good for many years!

[arobasefr]

Her they are !

:)
M9042LL/A
Dual 2.2 Ghz
512MB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
160GB Serial ATA
3 64Bit PCI-X slots, 1 133Mhz, 2@ 100Mhz

M9490LL/A
Dual 2.4 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9800XT
250GB Serial ATA
3 267Mhz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

M9496LL/A
Dual 2.6 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI RAdeon 9800XT
250 GB Serial ATA
3 267MHz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

[iAtom]

Her they are !

:)
M9042LL/A
Dual 2.2 Ghz
512MB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
160GB Serial ATA
3 64Bit PCI-X slots, 1 133Mhz, 2@ 100Mhz

M9490LL/A
Dual 2.4 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9800XT
250GB Serial ATA
3 267Mhz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

M9496LL/A
Dual 2.6 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI RAdeon 9800XT
250 GB Serial ATA
3 267MHz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

Where did you see these?

[klaus]

croquer.free.fr

but he changed it slightly, the first model comes with regular PCI, instead of PCI-x.
at least, according to that rumor site (yes, it IS a rumor, not yet confirmed)

[iAtom]

croquer.free.fr

but he changed it slightly, the first model comes with regular PCI, instead of PCI-x.
at least, according to that rumor site (yes, it IS a rumor, not yet confirmed)

Is that site usually accurate? I hope so, because that low-end would be perfect for me.

[JamesDPS]

Yeah the mid-range would be perfect for me, assuming a price of around US$2500... anyway I somehow don't give those specs more than "speculation" credence, but you never know...

So what's the consensus now, anyway? I sort of lost track --- NAB, or WWDC for PM revisions? By b-day is June 30, so I'm going with WWDC ;) but I wouldn't complain if there were something impressive earlier than that... only real concern of mine is the shipping time after announcement... cuz it'll really tick me off if and when they DO announce revisions are ready and then they're like "shipping in 3 months".

[arobasefr]

croquer.free.fr

but he changed it slightly, the first model comes with regular PCI, instead of PCI-x.
at least, according to that rumor site (yes, it IS a rumor, not yet confirmed)

http://croquer.free.fr/
Yes, I changed it because PCI-X rev 1.0 are :64bit at 100 and 133Mhz.

This rumorsite is not the baddest one, like others it isn't accurate at 100%, that's why it's rumor.!!!

ex: Sunday april 4, they announced security update, it came Monday evening !
They announced problems with ATI graphic cards. it was confirmed

So this news is rumor,untill Apple reveals them !!
But it's serious enough because I informed different Mac sites in # countrys who wouldn't publish it by fear for Apple distortions !!!
So take it for what you want

:rolleyes:

[cmoney]

if those are correct and if they're coming anytime in the next few weeks, i'd sure be pissed if i didn't wait. assuming the lowend price point stays the same ($1800), you could buy that lowend machine and a 23" and still get a better system for a better price than the current highend + 23" - $500 rebate.

this past weekend, i was so tempted to just walk out of the apple store with a new system in hand. well, even if not true, this makes me wanna wait again.

[invaLPsion]

Yeah the mid-range would be perfect for me, assuming a price of around US$2500... anyway I somehow don't give those specs more than "speculation" credence, but you never know...

So what's the consensus now, anyway? I sort of lost track --- NAB, or WWDC for PM revisions? By b-day is June 30, so I'm going with WWDC ;) but I wouldn't complain if there were something impressive earlier than that... only real concern of mine is the shipping time after announcement... cuz it'll really tick me off if and when they DO announce revisions are ready and then they're like "shipping in 3 months".

Since it is 2.6GHz it would be at NAB because then Steve wouldn't have kept his promise if he released them at WWDC.

The specs could be correct as long as the video ram tops out at 128 megs...

The middle end would be PERFECT for me as well.

[Evan_11]

if those are correct and if they're coming anytime in the next few weeks, i'd sure be pissed if i didn't wait. assuming the lowend price point stays the same ($1800), you could buy that lowend machine and a 23" and still get a better system for a better price than the current highend + 23" - $500 rebate.

this past weekend, i was so tempted to just walk out of the apple store with a new system in hand. well, even if not true, this makes me wanna wait again.

Like Apple is going to release a dual 2.2 machine for $1,800. Sheesh you guys are getting delusional.

[Evan_11]

Since it is 2.6GHz it would be at NAB because then Steve wouldn't have kept his promise if he released them at WWDC.


Since when did Steve promise they would release 3.0 chips at WWDC?! He mentioned that 3.0 would be possible but that doesn't mean you'll see them for another six months.

[iAtom]

Since when did Steve promise they would release 3.0 chips at WWDC?! He mentioned that 3.0 would be possible but that doesn't mean you'll see them for another six months.

Actually I believe that last WWDC, he did promise 3.0 GHz in a year. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Evan_11]

Look at the above subject header and tell me that this is not the most rediculous thing you have ever seen :rolleyes:

There is no way Apple will release anything remote to the above unless they prematurely end the current 23" promotion.

I can also guarantee that with the powermac we will also see cinema display revisions.

Nothing else including that doofy french guy's site makes any sense.

[Evan_11]

Single 2.2 - $1695
Dual 1.8 - $2195
Dual 2.2 - $2795
Dual 3.0 - $3495

Now the above makes sense. A water cooled dual 3.0 is going to cost a lot more to produce. There will however be enough people willing to pay for such an increase in performance. The other models won't require a redesign like the 3.0 model. Why haven't the 1.8 - 2.2 models already been released? Well obviously because 2.2 would be a pretty weak speed bump and Apple rather go all or nothing.

When and where these will be released is anybody's guess. I suspect however at WWDC along with the updated monitors.

[Evan_11]

Actually I believe that last WWDC, he did promise 3.0 GHz in a year. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Promise is one thing. Putting the product in the consumer's hands is totally another. They very well could show off a 3.0 dual G5 at WWDC but it won't be released I suspect until September or later.

[invaLPsion]

Single 2.2 - $1695
Dual 1.8 - $2195
Dual 2.2 - $2795
Dual 3.0 - $3495

Now the above makes sense. A water cooled dual 3.0 is going to cost a lot more to produce. There will however be enough people willing to pay for such an increase in performance. The other models won't require a redesign like the 3.0 model. Why haven't the 1.8 - 2.2 models already been released? Well obviously because 2.2 would be a pretty weak speed bump and Apple rather go all or nothing.

The 3.0, yes, everything else, no. A dual does not cost that much more than a single, especially when the 90nm is much cheaper to produce. Apple was able to dual the 1.8 for only $100 MORE! Think about it. That was 5 months ago, and 5 months makes a big difference in costs. Ram is cheaper, video cards are cheaper, hard drives are cheaper!

Apple could easily put out a dual 2.2 dual 2.4 and dual 2.6 for $1999, $2499, and $2999. Especially when it doesn't cost as much to cool the 90nm G5 and and higher clocks speeds aren't that much more expensive to the producer. They are elevated to the consumer only!

[Evan_11]

Dual 1.8 - $1999
Dual 2.2 - $2499
Dual 2.6 - $2999
Dual 3.0 - $3499

Again these numbers make sense compared to those by that doofy french dude.

[Evan_11]

The 3.0, yes, everything else, no. A dual does not cost that much more than a single, especially when the 90nm is much cheaper to produce. Apple was able to dual the 1.8 for only $100 MORE! Think about it. That was 5 months ago, and 5 months makes a big difference in costs. Ram is cheaper, video cards are cheaper, hard drives are cheaper!

Apple could easily put out a dual 2.2 dual 2.4 and dual 2.6 for $1999, $2499, and $2999. Especially when it doesn't cost as much to cool the 90nm G5 and and higher clocks speeds aren't that much more expensive to the producer. They are elevated to the consumer only!

Not until WWDC at least. Again there is no way that Apple will sell you a 2.2 dual G5 and 23" Cinema Display for $3500. Not a chance in hell. Don't tell me you've been waiting 5 years for a update with your iMac DV... Obviously you're not much of a power user.

[wdlove]

Dual 1.8 - $1999
Dual 2.2 - $2499
Dual 2.6 - $2999
Dual 3.0 - $3499

Again these numbers make sense compared to those by that doofy french dude.

At that price it sounds like I won't be getting a Dual 3.0. Also that would be a Rev. A? Would be best to wait, maybe the price would decrease.

[invaLPsion]

Dual 1.8 - $1999
Dual 2.2 - $2499
Dual 2.6 - $2999
Dual 3.0 - $3499

Again these numbers make sense compared to those by that doofy french dude.

I just don't think Apple would have a set-up that spread out in terms of processor speed. THERE WILL BE UPDATES BEFORE WWDC.

[segundo]

THERE WILL BE UPDATES BEFORE WWDC.

I agree . . . I'm betting the G5's and new displays come at NAB with new G4 Powerbook's, G5 iMac's, and G4 iBook's all at WWDC. Furthermore, I do not believe we'll see a 3.0 Ghz G5 regardless of what so many claim was a promise by Steve Jobs last year. The switch to the 90nm process for the G5's will bring some speed, but why would they restrict the xServes to 2 Ghz if they could crank out faster ones . . .

Either way, I'm waiting for new goods and I'm going to need someone to talk me down from spending way too much money. I purchased an 800 Mhz G3 iBook awhile back to see if I was brave enough to switch. Between that awesome little notebook and a 10 gig 3rd gen iPod I was so impressed with Apple's quality products . . . let's just say it's time for me to go big on a Powermac. :)

[Evan_11]

How do you explain the Brilliant Savings promotion ending June 26th then? Unless they end it early there is no way they'll be offering a Powermac that is equal to the current high end for $1999. They are also bound to introduce new displays at the same time. Apple is a business something which you guys don't understand.

Dense.

[jade]

updates before WWDC?

only in Software Update!

[Duff-Man]

The switch to the 90nm process for the G5's will bring some speed, but why would they restrict the xServes to 2 Ghz if they could crank out faster ones . . .Duff-Man says.....perhaps because the G5 towers have a *lot* more space for keeping the heat down. Putting the G5's (even the 90nm ones) inside that small rack is going to be a challenge to keep the heat down enough.

I certainly glad I have a good deal of patience....I am looking at a G5 tower this "spring" (or whenever) and I must admit, this latest rumour of the specs is enticing and if they turn out to be true I know I will place an order immediately - the timing and final price points will determine if that order is for the mid or top line.....oh yeah!

[afields]

Apple updates their website finally! (http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/wait.jpg)


:p

[freddiecable]

the middle one is great (best bank for buck)! but I also doubt the radeon 9800, 250 HD and 1 GB ram in that model :rolleyes:

[Mac-Xpert]

Duff-Man says.....perhaps because the G5 towers have a *lot* more space for keeping the heat down. Putting the G5's (even the 90nm ones) inside that small rack is going to be a challenge to keep the heat down enough.
There might be something else. If they would have introduced the Xserve at a higher speed than 2 Ghz, people would have expected the Powermac updates to be immediately (or soon to be) introduced as well. At the time they introduced the new Xserve they probably already knew they needed more time to get the Rev-B Powermacs out.

Also there was the little slip in the website, that said 2.3 Ghz Xserve in the HTML-source. This might not say anything, but it could also be a indication that they originally planned to introduce the Xserve at that speed, but could not due to the Powermacs taking more time than anticipated.

[arobasefr]

:rolleyes:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?doit=done&urltext=http://croquer.free.fr&lp=fr_en

Rumors are going on !

;)

[the future]

Apple updates their website finally! (http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/wait.jpg)

:D

[mvc]

:rolleyes:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?doit=done&urltext=http://croquer.free.fr&lp=fr_en

Rumors are going on !

;)

This guy is out of his tree, dropping too many hash croissants for breakfast I think! ;)

[aswitcher]

This guy is out of his tree, dropping too many hash croissants for breakfast I think! ;)


:eek: :D

What a coup this would be if it were true...

[aswitcher]

Apple updates their website finally! (http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/wait.jpg)


:p

Now thats funny :p :D

[wannaPM]

Sorry for cross-posting :o .
Moved my post to a newer thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66898)

[aswitcher]

SNIP
Probably they are also assembling plenty of revB G5s just now, to be able to ship them as soon as they are announced avoiding the usual and hated "shipping in two months".


That's probably on the mark.


I also think that they can't directly jump from the actual 2 GHz to 3 GHz because of at least the following matters:
- they never did such a speed bump before, probably because a similar thing could arise many technical problems
- the Xserve just started shipping with a 2 GHz clock, hence they can't sell a "desktop" that is almost 50% faster than the top server


Unless the new server appears at the same time...


- it would not be correct at all for the customers to sell a 3.0 GHz model at the same price a 2.0 GHz had few days before (but maybe Apple doesn't take much care of what is correct for its customers :mad: )


Sure, but we were given PLENTY of notice, so tough.


Moreover, they can't mount on all of the revB models a dual processor because they need at least a "entry level" G5, and until the iMac G5 is out they will leave the low revB model with a single CPU


iMac revamp is just as important than a G5 jump so I expect it out soon...


Nevertheless I think that in the next weeks some new models will be out (something to extensively test the new 970FX and "prepare" it for the 3.0 GHz bump, like single 2.0, dual 2.2, dual 2.4), bigger disks (120-250 GB), more memory (512MB - 1GB) and better graphic cards, but the real bang will be at WWDC, where they could announce the PB G5 "The first 64bit notebook" (while Asus already ships a notebook mounting the AMD's 64 bit chip :eek: ) a G5 equipped iMac "The first 64 bit soccer ball" and the 3.0 GHz PowerMacs "More bit power", many of them to be shipped on september (after all the summer ends in september, so Jobs could mantain what he promised last year).


:p lets hope so...

[pgwalsh]

Apple updates their website finally! (http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/wait.jpg)


:phaha Beautiful....

Apple is becoming the Rodney Dangerfield of computer companies. This along with the respect article on Macbytes.

[invaLPsion]

As to PowerMac G5 updates; the return signal from our intensive effort to get details and confirmable recon on the PowerMac update has been strong. We've picked up quite a bit of new information and it looks like the most common predictions might win out.

An update at or around NAB in as little as two weeks: Dual 2.2GHz entry-level model would be shipping immediately. Dual 2.4GHz systems would follow in a few weeks; the Dual 2.6GHz systems would be targeted for late May but may just have finally caught up when WWDC takes place at the end of June.

from MOSR

[alexf]

A store near me is selling base 1.6 model g5s at $1499...

I think I may have to give up on the long wait (I've been waiting now since December) and buy the 1st gen. model - or does anyone have advice for me? http://forums.macrumors.com/images/icons/icon5.gif

The increased speed would speed up my job production (I am a graphic / Web designer), and although I'm sure the new 2nd gen. models will boast significant improvements, for this price I think it might be worth getting the current model.

Or should I get a (hardly) used dual G4 1.42 for $1700 someone that I know is selling?

Help, anyone?

Thank you!

[Dont Hurt Me]

forget the wind tunnel G4, G4s are just to slow and the dual 1.42 was a clocked up noise maker. Dont do it. wait for the rev B machines. there feel better?

[AppleJustWorks]

As to PowerMac G5 updates; the return signal from our intensive effort to get details and confirmable recon on the PowerMac update has been strong. We've picked up quite a bit of new information and it looks like the most common predictions might win out.

An update at or around NAB in as little as two weeks: Dual 2.2GHz entry-level model would be shipping immediately. Dual 2.4GHz systems would follow in a few weeks; the Dual 2.6GHz systems would be targeted for late May but may just have finally caught up when WWDC takes place at the end of June.

from MOSR

Wait.....Is this just some other stupidly wrong rumor(deja vu) or is this something that you know for a fact......I'm waiting for Rev.B and if you get my hopes up for sometime before WWDC I'm gonna.......I'm Gonna.............:mad:POOF :eek:

[wdlove]

We are hearing rumors and just have to be patient. Unless Steve is at NAB, it would seem unlikely to expect any updates.

[invaLPsion]

Wait.....Is this just some other stupidly wrong rumor(deja vu) or is this something that you know for a fact......I'm waiting for Rev.B and if you get my hopes up for sometime before WWDC I'm gonna.......I'm Gonna.............:mad:POOF :eek:

I am waiting for a RevB as well and I can tell you that the signs are pointing to an NAB release. The lower model will be shipping day of release with the others a few weeks off.

i'd like a dual 2.4 myself.
:)

[AppleJustWorks]

I am waiting for a RevB as well and I can tell you that the signs are pointing to an NAB release. The lower model will be shipping day of release with the others a few weeks off.

i'd like a dual 2.4 myself.
:)


What signs? :confused:

[jade]

What signs? :confused:

the signs of delusion...like last year and new powerboooks every week.

[AppleJustWorks]

No,really, What actual signs point to NAB..I haven't seen one!..:eek: Is Steve even going to be there? Besides...Isn't this a broadcaster thing, why would Apple release updated products at an event that is not solely dedicated to computers or Apple. :confused:

[invaLPsion]

No,really, What actual signs point to NAB..I haven't seen one!..:eek: Is Steve even going to be there? Besides...Isn't this a broadcaster thing, why would Apple release updated products at an event that is not solely dedicated to computers or Apple. :confused:

NAB is an event for media professionals, thus indicating possible prosumer releases. Shake, powermacs, powerbooks, Final Cut?

I just hope that Apple doesn't wait till WWDC. I say this because by then I will be on a spanking new PC unless there are updates sooner. I'm done with this waiting shiz.

[AppleJustWorks]

Looks like WWDC to me::cool:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=416

[aswitcher]

Looks like WWDC to me::cool:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=416

No specific mention of the powerBOOKS.. damn :(

[invaLPsion]

No specific mention of the powerBOOKS.. damn :(

Nor powermacs. I hope Apple Insider continues their tradition of being wrong, especially on thw pro update front.

PLEASE HAVE A RELEASE AT NAB. I AM NOT WAITING TILL WWDC.

[Downdivx]

Nor powermacs. I hope Apple Insider continues their tradition of being wrong, especially on thw pro update front.

PLEASE HAVE A RELEASE AT NAB. I AM NOT WAITING TILL WWDC.


Agreed. I can't wait past NAB.

W

[invaLPsion]

Agreed. I can't wait past NAB.

W

What will you do when and if there aren't new releases. I'm looking at an FX-53 PC myself. I don't think I can bring myself to purchase an overpriced, outdated G5, no matter how much I love MACOSX.

[wdlove]

Please be patient guys, it will only nine more weeks till WWDC if nothing at NAB. I have confidence that Steve will not disappoint us, he will make our wait worth our time. ;)

[aswitcher]

Please be patient guys, it will only nine more weeks till WWDC if nothing at NAB. I have confidence that Steve will not disappoint us, he will make our wait worth our time. ;)

That's my thinking. WWDC has to deliver...it just has to after so long and most if not all the lines looking dated.

The only thinbs I am not sure sure about is the PBG5 and the iMac G5 appearing...

[Dont Hurt Me]

Agreed. I can't wait past NAB.

Wme neither, g4s are so old and G5s have gone nowhere. still the same as introduced and we still have last years videocards if your lucky. just way to long compared to the market. they arent keeping up.

[invaLPsion]

Please be patient guys, it will only nine more weeks till WWDC if nothing at NAB. I have confidence that Steve will not disappoint us, he will make our wait worth our time. ;)

I don't think WWDC is a certainty right now. MOSR still seems pretty sure that updates will be at NAB. I wouldn't put too much faith in the Apple Insider report right now.

Remember when the deals were extended and the brilliant savings promo was released? Everyone was sure that updates would be at WWDC. After a day the sureness subsided and we got back to reality.

Here's to updates at NAB.

[wdlove]

That's my thinking. WWDC has to deliver...it just has to after so long and most if not all the lines looking dated.

The only thinbs I am not sure sure about is the PBG5 and the iMac G5 appearing...

I would think that the only real question would be the PBG5, because of cooling problems. Then again if Steve can solve it in one why not the other. Then we could have a real trifecta.

[invaLPsion]

On another note. I really wish that we will see a powermac rumor from MacRumors, itself. I want to know when Arn believes that they will be released. His words have much more stock than all the other rumor sites combined.

[aswitcher]

On another note. I really wish that we will see a powermac rumor from MacRumors, itself. I want to know when Arn believes that they will be released. His words have much more stock than all the other rumor sites combined.

Personally, ThinkSecret is the one I am watching. They seem to be conservative but have a good trakc record whilst I've been watching...

[invaLPsion]

Personally, ThinkSecret is the one I am watching. They seem to be conservative but have a good trakc record whilst I've been watching...

ThinkSecret is without a doubt the MOST accurate mac rumor site. But they rarely make any reports about mac hardware releases.

[awesomebase]

Well, I guess there goes the 3GHz promise! It seems to me that Apple has had a difficult time keeping their promises on dates. Either they need to stop making promises on what they can/can't do, or they need to be a lot more realistic about their time frames for doing them.
Either way, we're not going to reach the 3GHz mark come July. Never mind that the first G5s took way too long to get to market. It will be interesting to see if the chips come out significantly faster, or if we're going to see the Dual 2GHz at the bottom and Dual 2.2GHz and Dual 2.4GHz rounding out the series. If so, that virtually guarantees that 3GHz won't be around until after January of next year.
You gotta love Apple, sometimes they just make it difficult to do so!
Now... if they can just get a G5 Powerbook, that would be awesome! (Some updated displays... or at least a significant drop in prices on the current ones would be much welcomed as well)

[cmoney]

(Some updated displays... or at least a significant drop in prices on the current ones would be much welcomed as well)

Barring any of those, I guess I'm in for a long wait. I was very close to buying this past weekend but came to my senses and will not go back into an Apple store until the next revision is announced. I swear Steve had RDF generators installed in the stores. Probably behind those big bright Apple logos.

[rdowns]

Nor powermacs. I hope Apple Insider continues their tradition of being wrong, especially on thw pro update front.

PLEASE HAVE A RELEASE AT NAB. I AM NOT WAITING TILL WWDC.

That's good to know. Wasn't sure if you really meant it the other 62 times you posted the same message.

[neonart]

ThinkSecret is without a doubt the MOST accurate mac rumor site. But they rarely make any reports about mac hardware releases.

This is true. Once TS puts something down about hardware, it's because they *really* have some info.
I think many of the other sites get their info kinda like we do.

Example:
"Apple is going to release G5's at MWSF or I eat my liver." :rolleyes:

[nightcap965]

Well, I guess there goes the 3GHz promise! It seems to me that Apple has had a difficult time keeping their promises on dates. Either they need to stop making promises on what they can/can't do, or they need to be a lot more realistic about their time frames for doing them....

Oh, puh-leeze. His Steveness was not speaking under oath, he was not making solemn vows, he was holding forth at a sales event. I'm sure he really believed that the 3 GHz would be ready in somewhere around a year's time, but he left it fairly loose - he didn't say "At 11:52 a.m. on August 26th, the 3 GHz G5 will be available in your local Apple Store."

Besides, do you really want Steve to get up there and say, "Gee, guys, we don't know if we can do it, but we're really gonna try to have 3 GHz in a year, give or take, so long as neither we nor our suppliers run into any glitches, the Lord is willin', and the crick don't rise..." The next sounds you'd hear would be the thud of Steve's jeans-clad bottom hitting the pavement and the Board slamming the door behind him. We don't really want truth from our leaders, be they corporate or political. Truth is messy, inconvenient, and difficult to fit into a sound bite. We want to be inspired, and that requires a certain amount of spinning, shading, and stretching.

Frankly, all this is sounding just a bit petulant. "But Mommy, you promised..."

There will be a 3 GHz G5. It will be on or under your desk in less than two years from Steve's announcement. Close enough.

[nightcap965]

Barring any of those, I guess I'm in for a long wait. I was very close to buying this past weekend but came to my senses and will not go back into an Apple store until the next revision is announced. I swear Steve had RDF generators installed in the stores. Probably behind those big bright Apple logos.

But they're giving out free Kool-Aid... :p

[wdlove]

But they're giving out free Kool-Aid... :p

Sadly I don't think that Apple will ever give out any food at the local retail stores. They are concerned about damage to the products. I have carried coffee into the store, they didn't say anything, but I'm one of those that is highly cautious! :)