US vs. UK

[mischief]

To get this one out of my Pie Colluseum and in true Canadian style, I'm starting a thread specifically for the redneck versus redcoat hullabuloo that's taken over so many discussions.

Winky will be standing by with a full load.;)

[britboy]

He he! Winky's firing blanks again! :D :D

American's are by and large ignorant of the rest of the world. How else would you come to the idea that you could beat us down, simply by posting such a thread as this? Do i need to post my favourite map of the world again, to illustrate my point?


:p

[edesignuk]

BRITS RULE! :D :p :) :cool:

[McFreggle]

... the Belgians are not allowed to be in the game... damn.

k.

[britboy]

Originally posted by McFreggle
... the Belgians are not allowed to be in the game... damn.

k.


That's because this is a game for the big boys ;)

:D :D

Have no worries though. We shall avenge your defeat at the hands of the brazilians :)

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by britboy



That's because this is a game for the big boys ;)

Damn right! lol! :D

BTW...did I mention?...BRITS RULE!:D ;) :p :cool:

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by britboy



That's because this is a game for the big boys ;)

:D :D



:( I don' like U guys anymore.

Hey... but wait a minute... I'm originally from Ypres (Ieper). We have a big bunch of British cemeteries over there (that are actually British Ground) (World War I, you know). And there are always many, many British tourists in Ypres (they get plastered rather easy - aren't used to Belgian Beer).

So can I play with you guys now?
Pretty please? :rolleyes:

Have no worries though. We shall avenge your defeat at the hands of the brazilians :)

Djee that would be nice. Especially kick Rivaldo and Ronaldo's a$$es please. Thank you...
The bastards...

k.

[Mr. Anderson]

The brits put on an air of superiority believing that the empire is making a come back. Ha!

Self delusional if you ask me- America is your bastard upsart of a child and you still have gotten over the fact that we kicked your asses out of our country and rescued you twice in Europe.....:D

[Ensign Paris]

UK
ROCKS!

[Rower_CPU]

There you go, d-man!

I'll agree that the majority of Americans are pretty clueless when it comes to Geography/World Events...but we're definitely not ignorant of the rest of the world, especialy after 9-11.

britboy-
A Canadian started this thread...you guys do need a beat down.:p ;)

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by dukestreet
The brits put on an air of superiority believing that the empire is making a come back. Ha!

Self delusional if you ask me- America is your bastard upsart of a child and you still have gotten over the fact that we kicked your asses out of our country and rescued you twice in Europe.....:D
Now now, that's not very nice :p
I'd like to see the US try and put on a perfectly planed, timed and executed event such as the Queen Mothers funeral, and more recently the Queens Jubliee, it really was outstanding! :D

[britboy]

Originally posted by McFreggle


So can I play with you guys now?
Pretty please? :rolleyes:



You help our tourists to get drunk whilst they're out and about in foreign countries? Why sure! Why didn't you say so earlier? That practically makes you an honorary brit!

Now, help us to crush those breakaway upstarts :D

[edesignuk]

Wey-hey!

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
There you go, d-man!

I'll agree that the majority of Americans are pretty clueless when it comes to Geography/World Events...but we're definitely not ignorant of the rest of the world, especialy after 9-11.


Sorry, that was what i was alluding to. I most certaintly recognise that americans know of the existence of other countries on this planet.


britboy-
A Canadian started this thread...you guys do need a beat down.:p ;)

And the difference between a canook and a yank is? ;)

[Rower_CPU]

Upstarts, eh? I prefer skinflint.:rolleyes:

And a rousing "ne'erdo-well" back at you!:p

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
…
And the difference between a canook and a yank is? ;)

It's "canuck"...and that's a French Canadian...

…now who's ingnorant…silly English kaniggit!

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


It's "canuck"...and that's a French Canadian...

…now who's ingnorant…silly English kaniggit!


Hey, at least i know *of* the name :p Besides, blame that spelling on the yanks i had to spend a year with in austria whilst learning german. Na, what now? ;)

[McFreggle]

We also have two of these babies driving around in Ypres:
http://www.tenan.vuurwerk.nl/micc/london.jpg

(Without the ugly kids off course)

k.

[edesignuk]

And you know somthing else?
We make the finest damn sports cars in the world!
Even Hollywood like 'em! Recognize it from Swordfish :D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
Hey, at least i know *of* the name :p Besides, blame that spelling on the yanks i had to spend a year with in austria whilst learning german. Na, what now? ;)

Yeah, 'cuz I'm sure they made it a point to show you how to spell it.:rolleyes:

And now I say unto you "ni"...do not perturb me any further or I will say it to you again.:p

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by verbose101
And you know somthing else?
We make the finest damn sports cars in the world!
Even Hollywood like 'em! Recognize it from Swordfish :D

I'll let the Germans and Italians have a go at you for that one.;)

I've got the conversation ender sitting in my pocket...so don' tempt me!:D

[mcrain]

Originally posted by verbose101

Now now, that's not very nice :p
I'd like to see the US try and put on a perfectly planed, timed and executed event such as the Queen Mothers funeral, and more recently the Queens Jubliee, it really was outstanding! :D

Sorry, but we don't do funerals for "royalty" anymore. That's sort of why the Brits got kicked out in the first place. :D

As for perfectly timed, planned, and executed events, I give the United States Military. Nobody does the 3am wake-up call any better. :p

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by mcrain

I give the United States Military. Nobody does the 3am wake-up call any better. :p
Maybe, but our SAS would kick some serious Navy Seal a$$ :p

(I gotta go to bed now, please fellow brits, fight on for me :D ;))

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by verbose101

Maybe, but our SAS would kick some serious Navy Seal a$$ :p

(I gotta go to bed now, please fellow brits, fight on for me :D ;))

OMG!!! Let me show that to some of the Seals who take language classes here, and see if you don't wake up duct taped to a chair in a basement somewhere tomorrow.:p

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Yeah, 'cuz I'm sure they made it a point to show you how to spell it.:rolleyes:

And now I say unto you "ni"...do not perturb me any further or I will say it to you again.:p


I just went on the phonetics of their accent ;)

I bring out the ever-fearsome MontyPython (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/HolyGrail.au/taunt.au)!!!

American's could never match that :D

[Dunepilot]

The SBS are supposed to be even harder than the SAS. You wouldn't believe the stuff they put those mothers through in training.

I can't believe this thread. You Americans know the British have everything you want. It took the style of a Brit to design Apple's products, lest you forget.:)

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
I just went on the phonetics of their accent ;)

I bring out the ever-fearsome MontyPython (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/HolyGrail.au/taunt.au)!!!

American's could never match that :D

I think I already did...NI!!!

Besides, that taunt is French in nature...you Brits try to take credit for everything don't you?:p

[britboy]

What's this "ni"? You've said it twice now.

"not interested"? "needs intelligence"? "named incognito"?


Besides, the taunt is from a british actor, so the effect still stands :D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
The SBS are supposed to be even harder than the SAS. You wouldn't believe the stuff they put those mothers through in training.

I can't believe this thread. You Americans know the British have everything you want. It took the style of a Brit to design Apple's products, lest you forget.:)

Right, now you've done it!

It took the ingenuity and drive of two Americans to create Apple.

Period. End of discussion. You lose.:p

[McFreggle]

Monty Python is indeed one of the greatest things the Britains gave us...

BUT! Keep in mind that Terry Gilliam was American!

k.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
What's this "ni"? You've said it twice now.

"not interested"? "needs intelligence"? "named incognito"?

Ha! Silly english pig-dog, you do not even know Monty Python when you hear it...the Knights Who Say "Ni"...NI!!!

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Right, now you've done it!

It took the ingenuity and drive of two Americans to create Apple.

Period. End of discussion. You lose.:p


It took the idiocy of one american to create microsoft ;)

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
It took the idiocy of one american to create microsoft ;)

Actually there were three:
Gates, Ballmer and Allen

Wrong again, bb...tsk, tsk, tsk...:p

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Actually there were three:
Gates, Ballmer and Allen

Wrong again, bb...tsk, tsk, tsk...:p



Oh, so he wasn't just a one-off then? There's not even safety in numbers i see :D

Discussion not over.....

[McFreggle]

Hey... let's invite Anthony 'Hannibal the Cannibal' Hopkins to this thread... I believe his a native Englishman who naturalized himself as an American.

Let's ask him why! :D

k.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
Oh, so he wasn't just a one-off then? There's not even safety in numbers i see :D

Discussion not over.....

Microsoft is a tremendous success in the business world, regardless of what we think of its creators.

Another American success story.:p

[britboy]

Originally posted by McFreggle

Let's ask him why! :D

k.


Hmmmm. Probably has something to do with your average american having more meat on them, and so making for a bigger meal :D :D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
Hmmmm. Probably has something to do with your average american having more meat on them, and so making for a bigger meal :D :D

Nah, I think the bad pub food made you all taste funny.:p

[krossfyter]

people hate what they cant conquer.



thats why a lot of people hate america....i guess.


also its the italians that make the best damn sports cars in the world...not the germans nor the french.




dig it.

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Nah, I think the bad pub food made you all taste funny.:p


And like america's renowned for great cuisine? ;)

McD's, BK..... ha!

And yes, microsoft is a tremendous success story, if success is measured by how brutal a bastard one can be to screw others over for the sake of money. Great way to endear america to the world :rolleyes:

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
And like america's renowned for great cuisine? ;)

McD's, BK..... ha!

And yes, microsoft is a tremendous success story, if success is measured by how brutal a bastard one can be to screw others over for the sake of money. Great way to endear america to the world :rolleyes:

I'd take a BigMac over a steak and kidney pie any day of the week.

Not to mention that you can't even keep beer at a decent temperature...talk about getting pissed, that's what it tastes like!:D

Like I said, regardless (or because) of their business practices they are an unrivaled success.

BTW- Nice move with the whole Diana/Camila thing...silly inbred royal family.:rolleyes:

[krossfyter]

the royal family is a joke. i cant believe people get off to that crap.:D

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I'd take a BigMac over a steak and kidney pie any day of the week.

Not to mention that you can't even keep beer at a decent temperature...talk about getting pissed, that's what it tastes like!:D

Like I said, regardless (or because) of their business practices they are an unrivaled success.



Right, that does it. I'm bringing on the conversation-stopper: http://homepage.mac.com/schwuliduck/.Pictures/america.jpg

You should try coming over to the UK and actually drinking in a real pub. Those cheap imitations you guys have over there are pathetic, and come nowhere near to doing justice to a brilliant institution. As for the temperature..... perhaps if you'd drink it up without letting it sit for ages then it'd taste good. Beer from the tap is quite simply superior to any of that bottled crap you guys think is beer. ;)


Edit: I hope everyone's being entertained here. You are more than welcome to join in if you so wish :)

[britboy]

Originally posted by krossfyter
the royal family is a joke. i cant believe people get off to that crap.:D


Don't knock them. They're great for british tourism :D

You should see the queues of people waiting to go on a tour through buckingham palace all the time. Best part of it is that most of those lining up are americans (who aparently think the royal family is worthless) :p

[Rower_CPU]

Yeah, that picture's funny...funny the same way the whole "Sun never sets on the British Empire" thing was funny.:rolleyes:

[barkmonster]

Hey... let's invite Anthony 'Hannibal the Cannibal' Hopkins to this thread... I believe his a native Englishman who naturalized himself as an American.

Let's ask him why!

Would you want to live in the same country as Cathrine Zeta Jones and her old man ? That poor guy (Michael Douglas), just got over his sex addiction problem and now he's married to someone who could quite easily cause one :-) It'd be like taking a vow of celebacy and shacking up with salma hayek.

That's probably why, plus you know we brits are screwed on the price of almost everything and pay too much tax, with his money, I'd be in the states right now.

That map was funny by the way.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by britboy



Don't knock them. They're great for british tourism :D

You should see the queues of people waiting to go on a tour through buckingham palace all the time. Best part of it is that most of those lining up are americans (who aparently think the royal family is worthless) :p



just like Eminem is good for american tourism!

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Yeah, that picture's funny...funny the same way the whole "Sun never sets on the British Empire" thing was funny.:rolleyes:

ahahAH! this dude. este vato!!


dig it.

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Are you guys still pissed that we took your old colonies? Bahahahahaahahah

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger
Are you guys still pissed that we took your old colonies? Bahahahahaahahah

what are you talking to vato?

[kettle]

Do you know how well America is doing in the World Cup?

Well for those of you who don't know what football is -

It's a game of played with two two teams, kicking a ROUND ball, with their FEET and trying to get it in a goal at either end of a FOOTBALL pitch.

Actually, you're doing quite well, all things considered.

Anyone care to comment?

[mr.w]

Originally posted by kettle
Do you know how well America is doing in the World Cup?

Well for those of you who don't know what football is -

It's a game of played with two two teams, kicking a ROUND ball, with their FEET and trying to get it in a goal at either end of a FOOTBALL pitch.

Actually, you're doing quite well, all things considered.

Anyone care to comment?

ohhhhhhh so thats what football is :)

[britboy]

This has been one crazy day on macrumors. I think it could quite adequately be described as MAD :p

At least we had plenty of people joining in....... :rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

Until you *brits* meet us at the crater, I don't think anything really needs to be said.....

[britboy]

Originally posted by dukestreet
Until you *brits* meet us at the crater, I don't think anything really needs to be said.....


Can we send *you* all there? :D

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by britboy



Can we send *you* all there? :D



sure if you want all civilization to go back to the 12 century. cause hell man without america innovation is just a word.:D

[Eliot]

Erm,
Wasn't the whole Apollo program based on the work of a bunch of missile-lobbing Germans? Just a thought......:p

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by verbose101
And you know somthing else?
We make the finest damn sports cars in the world!
Even Hollywood like 'em! Recognize it from Swordfish :D

just curious... who makes all the movies that everyone in the world wants to see? hmm.... is hollywood outside of leeds or london? hmmmm

also, you may want to get over that map finally. did you make it when you were in 4th or 5th grade?

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule

also, you may want to get over that map finally. did you make it when you were in 4th or 5th grade?
Map? What map? :confused:

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by verbose101

Map? What map? :confused:

britboy posted a link a page or so back. check it out.... it's some map about how he thinks america sees the world. i don't think he made it himself though. probably had to have a non-brit do it since he couldn't figure out how to get the "colours" right or some ****e.

[alex_ant]

I love the U.S., as it is my mother country, but when it comes to rock 'n roll, only one thing needs to be said...

(Edited 2 hours later - I meant the guitar, not necessarily the band - you can't fit the American flag on a guitar without leaving out some states... and it just doesn't look as cool as the Union Jack.)

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by alex_ant
I love the U.S., as it is my mother country, but when it comes to rock 'n roll, only one thing needs to be said...

is that oasis? or someone else?

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
just curious... who makes all the movies that everyone in the world wants to see? hmm.... is hollywood outside of leeds or london? hmmmm

Well said!

To all non-Americans, I ask you: Where would cinema be today without Jerry Suckheimer, Steven Spielburp, and "Dude, Where's My Car?"

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
is that oasis? or someone else?
It is Oasis, but the band isn't important... the fact that all great rock 'n roll does and historically has come from Britain is. :)

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by alex_ant

It is Oasis, but the band isn't important... the fact that all great rock 'n roll does and historically has come from Britain is. :)

good thing you weren't saying oasis is any good..... cause they're not. they'd be better off just doing beatles covers.


i don't think ALL great anything has come from any one particular place really. i can't think of a rock and roll band i like from britain actually.

u2 is great. but they're not exactly british.... though the brits seem to think they are/should be.... ha

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule

u2 is great. but they're not exactly british.... though the brits seem to think they are/should be.... ha
Please don't get started on the whole Ireland & UK thing, the trouble has been going on for years :( Many, many people have died, and to be honest I don't really understand why...what a waste of life. :(

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
good thing you weren't saying oasis is any good..... cause they're not. they'd be better off just doing beatles covers.
Their first two albums are among the best rock & roll albums of all time. They haven't been quite the same since, but they're still a fantastic live band and draw bigger crowds than they ever have.
i don't think ALL great anything has come from any one particular place really. i can't think of a rock and roll band i like from britain actually.
You're probably right, I shouldn't have said "all," but ohh man...

- The Beatles
- The Stones
- The Who
- The Kinks
- Radiohead
- Pink Floyd (I personally don't like them, but many do)
- Sex Pistols
- The Clash
- The Jam
- Cream
- David Bowie
- Led Zeppelin
- Oasis (if you only look at their first two albums :))

I will admit, America has some greats, too. Hendrix, Dylan, and... umm... hmm... :) The rest is either relatively poor rock & roll or it isn't rock & roll at all - it's either this grungey self-loathing stuff, or it's nu-metal or whatever. All rock, no roll, and I said rock 'n' roll. :)

This thread is GREAT so far... I only hope it doesn't get closed. :)

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by alex_ant
I love the U.S., as it is my mother country, but when it comes to rock 'n roll, only one thing needs to be said...

Ooooh nooooo! Not Oasis! ******* Oasis!

Well, at least you have The Beatles :D

k.

[kettle]

Originally posted by dukestreet
Until you *brits* meet us at the crater, I don't think anything really needs to be said.....

Well I was wondering which crater, in which desert you were calling the moon.

outer space, you can have, but that was 2nd to the USSR.

Why doesn't someone pop back for some better photographs.

Maybe you could do an X files special:)

A fly on the wall Elvis Episode.

wooo that really would be spooky.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


britboy posted a link a page or so back. check it out.... it's some map about how he thinks america sees the world. i don't think he made it himself though. probably had to have a non-brit do it since he couldn't figure out how to get the "colours" right or some ****e.
I've seen that map before, and actually, I think it's pretty accurate :D ;) :p

[iGav]

Originally posted by kettle


Well I was wondering which crater, in which desert you were calling the moon.

outer space, you can have, but that was 2nd to the USSR.

Why doesn't someone pop back for some better photographs.


No the Americans really did go to the moon honest........ :p :p :p

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by krossfyter
the royal family is a joke. i cant believe people get off to that crap.:D
I am by no means a Royalist, but, they are a big part of our history (yes, that’s right, Great Britain has a long, long history, unlike the U.S :p) and a major tourist attraction.
There are many places all over the world that would love our traditions and history.

This is a good little story…

An American bought what he thought was Tower Bridge for a lot of money some years back, although, he referred to it as London Bridge…BIG mistake.
When ‘London Bridge’ turned up in pieces in the states to be reassembled it wasn’t what he was expecting, he had got London Bridge, NOT Tower Bridge, the two are VERY different.
Tower Bridge is a magnificent bridge that spans the River Thames, while London Bridge is just some rotten old bridge.

HAHAHAHA! :p

[iGav]

Originally posted by verbose101

An American bought what he thought was Tower Bridge for a lot of money some years back, although, he referred to it as London Bridge…BIG mistake.
When ‘London Bridge’ turned up in pieces in the states to be reassembled it wasn’t what he was expecting, he had got London Bridge, NOT Tower Bridge, the two are VERY different.
Tower Bridge is a magnificent bridge that spans the River Thames, while London Bridge is just some rotten old bridge.

HAHAHAHA! :p

Heh heh heh... I remember that one...... :p :p :p What a Dil........ :D How London laughed at his stupidity......... :p :p :p

[alex_ant]

There is a web page articulating the opinions of the conspiracy theorists who believe the Moon shots were faked:

http://batesmotel.8m.com/

Every single one of their points is a load of poo that could be easily debunked by any high school graduate. The USA went to the moon, alright...

Alex

[britboy]

Originally posted by verbose101


An American bought what he thought was Tower Bridge for a lot of money some years back, although, he referred to it as London Bridge…BIG mistake.
When ‘London Bridge’ turned up in pieces in the states to be reassembled it wasn’t what he was expecting, he had got London Bridge, NOT Tower Bridge, the two are VERY different.
Tower Bridge is a magnificent bridge that spans the River Thames, while London Bridge is just some rotten old bridge.



He was so embarrassed by his stupidity that he rebuilt London Bridge out in the middle of nowhere on a lake in Arizona, where the fewest people possible would be able to see it :D

What londoner doesn't know about that one, 30-odd years on from the event? :p

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by britboy
He he! Winky's firing blanks again! :D :D

American's are by and large ignorant of the rest of the world. How else would you come to the idea that you could beat us down, simply by posting such a thread as this? Do i need to post my favourite map of the world again, to illustrate my point?


:p

by and large, we are an ignorant people...but for a country that has been around less than 250 years, we have given our share of contributions to the world

rock and roll, hollywood, most of the fortune 500 which provides jobs for many outside of the usa, and the spread of worldwide sports such as basketball and baseball

in the next several centuries to come, we will find our place in the world and develop a culture...i know these things take time...a lot of time ;-)

[britboy]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


by and large, we are an ignorant people...but for a country that has been around less than 250 years, we have given our share of contributions to the world

rock and roll, hollywood, most of the fortune 500 which provides jobs for many outside of the usa, and the spread of worldwide sports such as basketball and baseball

in the next several centuries to come, we will find our place in the world and develop a culture...i know these things take time...a lot of time ;-)


At the moment i feel america is too young to really have developed its' own identity. It's still too much of a mixture of different cultures, with bits and bobs added by each nationality of imigrant. I suspect that, as you say, in the next couple of centuries that will begin to change. It'll be nice to see you developing something of your own for a change ;)

I'm just kidding of course. I don't need a whole list of the advances/inventions/etc we have the US to thank for :)

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by britboy



At the moment i feel america is too young to really have developed its' own identity. It's still too much of a mixture of different cultures, with bits and bobs added by each nationality of imigrant. I suspect that, as you say, in the next couple of centuries that will begin to change.


it will be weird to have an america with an identity a couple or three centuries from now

i know it can't all be capitol records, hollywood, and brittney spears:p

[iGav]

Originally posted by britboy


I'm just kidding of course. I don't need a whole list of the advances/inventions/etc we have the US to thank for :)

The Big Mac.... the greatest invention of the 20th Century..... Yummy!! :D Actually I could eat one right now........;)

I actually really like the US...... I'd love to live there........ :eek: :D San-Francisco, Seattle or NYC.........all are unique and amazing cities.....

I'd love to do the east coast as well.... from Georgia all the way up..... that'd be pretty cool....... :)

[Mr. Anderson]

why are we throwing insults back and forth, both countries have more than proved themselves on the world stage a one point or more, why don't we join forces and take on the French.....

[amnesiac1984]

sport

american football, only played by americans so they can't lose.
you yanks seem to rate the excitement of a sport by how many points can be scored. american football, play is stopped all the time, its like a giant tennis game, one team scroes then the other, basket ball is even worse, they made it easy to score baskets so that there would be high score at the end of the game. anyway basketball was invented by an irishman, thats why the forwards are called backs and the backs are called forwards.


okay, so we all went and payed our respects at the queen mum's funeral, but whats this,, the funeral of a dead mafia boss, a man who stole and killed.. and ppl lining the streets, you guys are sick!!

[britboy]

Originally posted by dukestreet
why are we throwing insults back and forth, both countries have more than proved themselves on the world stage a one point or more, why don't we join forces and take on the French.....


That sounds good to me. Which side will hglm be taking? ;)

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by dukestreet
why are we throwing insults back and forth, both countries have more than proved themselves on the world stage a one point or more, why don't we join forces and take on the French.....

Sounds good to me! :p

[britboy]

There's just one problem with 'The World vs. France': who's going to represent the froggies?

[amnesiac1984]

french aren't that bad, their country works much better than either of ours. there health service train system, everything works in france. why don't we take on those arrogant argentinians after their poor performance in the world cup

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by britboy
There's just one problem with 'The World vs. France': who's going to represent the froggies?
Good point, it could be a bit of a one way battle :p

[amnesiac1984]

oh and they make good beer,

kronenburg (britboy look at your post count right now)
stella artois is my current favourite

[iGav]

Originally posted by britboy
There's just one problem with 'The World vs. France': who's going to represent the froggies?

That is indeed a good point....... ;)

Any French-Canadians here??? stand up and be counted!!! :p

[iGav]

The French do make good wine though....... :p although that was no reason for us to build a tunnel to their bleeding country...... :D

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by iGAV
The French do make good wine though....... :p although that was no reason for us to build a tunnel to their bleeding country...... :D
Damn right! The cheek of it! All those bloody refugees coming in on the trains, all because the bloody French won't move the hostel their side from being soooo close to the entrance to the tunnel :mad:

[britboy]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
french aren't that bad, their country works much better than either of ours. there health service train system, everything works in france. why don't we take on those arrogant argentinians after their poor performance in the world cup


Their country works much better than the UK? Ha! That's a laugh. Did you keep track of their latest elections? Jean-Marie Le Pen, a far-right politician, came close to being elected as president of the country. Not good.


btw verbose101, there are currently plans to move that hostel furthar away from the tunnel. As to when it will be carried out, who knows...... :rolleyes:

[iGav]

Originally posted by verbose101

Damn right! The cheek of it! All those bloody refugees coming in on the trains, all because the bloody French won't move the hostel their side from being soooo close to the entrance to the tunnel :mad:

And not having decent security either...... if the tables were turned then can you imagine the stink the French Government would be kicking up right now..... like they did and continue to do with are beef even though it's totally illegal.......

Plus they always strike and cause untold chaos for the rest of Europe..... like now with the air traffic control strike currently in europe..... the French started this...... so now the skies above the whole of Europe are very empty at the moment....... :rolleyes:

But they do make nice wine......:)

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
oh and they make good beer,

kronenburg (britboy look at your post count right now)
stella artois is my current favourite

Erm???? I hope you realize Stella Artois is Belgian, not French???

AAMOF, the Stella-brewery is located at 1 km of my house...

Please tell me you knew it wasn't French. Please please.

k.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by iGAV


But they do make nice wine......:)

and so does California, Australia, Italy and Spain to name a few. Why is it you can't get married in France unless you live there? That's a load of crap if you ask me, snooty frogs! Friends of mine got married in Italy, because France wouldn't allow it.

[iGav]

Originally posted by dukestreet


and so does California, Australia, Italy and Spain to name a few. Why is it you can't get married in France unless you live there? That's a load of crap if you ask me, snooty frogs! Friends of mine got married in Italy, because France wouldn't allow it.

Californian, Austrialian and South African are my favourite wines......... particularly Californian...... I really regret not making time to visit the vineyards in Napa and Sonoma County when I was there....... :(

[jelloshotsrule]

another reason that an us vs the french fight wouldn't be any fun......


yup, you guessed it. they surrender before it even starts!


france would be a rich ass country if they didn't spend all their money and manufacturing on white flags just so that every citizen would have a primary and a backup "surrender device" as they call them



as for other responses i want to make in this post.

the ireland/england situation is indeed sad. similar to israel/palestine in the whole loss of life for silly land deal...

alex- hollywood doesn't make many movies i like. or apparently that you like. but that's not the point. the movies make tons of money here and worldwide whether us smarter folks like them or not. and also, i don't like any of those british bands you named. so i guess i don't fit the norm. i won't take the time to think up "clever" names to make fun of them like your jerry "suckheimer" one. good work.

america doesn't have a fabled history: yeah, so? i mean, it's not like the history of where someone lives make the people any better. and you just want to deny we have any history because at the very beginning of our history was, well, that war... and we all know you want to forget the outcome of that.

[iGav]

But what about Native American Indians?? they have such a rich history.... yet everyone seems to forget this???

Why???

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by iGAV
But what about Native American Indians?? they have such a rich history.... yet everyone seems to forget this???

Why???

exactly... it's because the greedy europeans that most americans are ancestors of came over here, raped, killed, and stole the land of the native americans... they are easily tossed aside onto reservations and other poor land now because our ancestors killed so many of them that now there are very few left.

most people do forget this indeed...

[iGav]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


exactly... it's because the greedy europeans that most americans are ancestors of came over here, raped, killed, and stole the land of the native americans... they are easily tossed aside onto reservations and other poor land now because our ancestors killed so many of them that now there are very few left.

most people do forget this indeed...

It's a shame really that Americans do not consider this a part of their countries history......... and that they see their history is only a few hundred years old.......

Native American history is something I find extremely interesting...... yet so many people do not even consider this........ :rolleyes: :(

[Backtothemac]

Here is the deal.

Britain / Europe has....
1) Much more history. This is obvious because of the age. They have all the cool stuff. Stonehenge, Easter Island, etc. The "old world" has much more history than the "new".
2) Culture, Europe is far more acceptant of race, sexual preference, etc.
3) Cars. Dear God, why can't detroit build a car to rival a Mercedes?
4) Races. Nothing like F-1.
5) Beer. Damn, they can make it over there.

America Has.

1) Food. Much better food here than there.
2) Chicks. Go to Southwest Louisiana. Nuff said.
3) Races. Nothing like NASCAR.
4) Power. Nuff said.
5) Whiskey. Tennessee.
6) History. We have saved more than one European A$$ during the days.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Backtothemac

2) Chicks. Go to Southwest Louisiana. Nuff said.

mmmm...next holiday? Hell yes! :D

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by iGAV


It's a shame really that Americans do not consider this a part of their countries history......... and that they see their history is only a few hundred years old.......

Native American history is something I find extremely interesting...... yet so many people do not even consider this........ :rolleyes: :(

most people aren't descendants of native americans directly, and as a result, don't see that as their history, just the pre-america history really...

i just found out last week from my grandma that her mom (if i remember right) was partly native american, something i hadn't known before. not sure which tribe or anything, but it'd be interesting to look into that.... as of now i thought i was a purebred euro descendant.... pure bred as in like 5 different nationalities. ha!

that's the beauty of america.... some say "everyone's an immigrant" like it's a bad thing... but why can't it be a good thing? everyone mixes. there is more diversity than in most other countries. and that is a good thing to me.... though i'm still just a dumb honkey

[mcrain]

Originally posted by britboy
He was so embarrassed by his stupidity that he rebuilt London Bridge out in the middle of nowhere on a lake in Arizona, where the fewest people possible would be able to see it :D

What londoner doesn't know about that one, 30-odd years on from the event? :p

You want to know what's hillarious? You Brits point to this as an example of your superiority, and in fact, it just shows that Americans can take anything and make it work. We're innovative, creative, and above all successful.

You sit around chuckling, patting yourselves on the back whilst you talk about the bloody Yank and his silly bridge...

Meanwhile, that same cheecky Yank is laughing all the way to the bank. He built the bridge in the middle of nothing, and guess what, because it was the middle of nothing, the land was cheap as *****. Oh, guess what? It's a tourist attraction now.

Who's laughing all the way to the bank now? Silly brits. :)

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by mcrain

Who's laughing all the way to the bank now? Silly brits. :)
We were many years ago, he paid for what he thought was Tower Bridge (very expensive I would have thought), and all hit got was some sh*ty old thing :p

[iGav]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Here is the deal.

Britain / Europe has....
1) Much more history. This is obvious because of the age. They have all the cool stuff. Stonehenge, Easter Island, etc. The "old world" has much more history than the "new".
2) Culture, Europe is far more acceptant of race, sexual preference, etc.
3) Cars. Dear God, why can't detroit build a car to rival a Mercedes?
4) Races. Nothing like F-1.
5) Beer. Damn, they can make it over there.

America Has.

1) Food. Much better food here than there.
2) Chicks. Go to Southwest Louisiana. Nuff said.
3) Races. Nothing like NASCAR.
4) Power. Nuff said.
5) Whiskey. Tennessee.
6) History. We have saved more than one European A$$ during the days.

We have whiskey too........ :) infact the Irish invented the stuff...... European cuisine__as a general rule is far superior because of the variety on offer..... although now like anywhere with todays multicultural cities..... decent food can be found anywhere in the world........

Never really got into NASCAR...... I'm more of an F1 and WRC guy myself although I do watch CART and the Indy Racing League thingy when it's shown on uk tv......... I love Baseball but don't really understand all the ins and outs yet...... can't stand American Football....... it's a ********* tragic example of a sport... a complete lack of free flowing action by meat heads in body armour...... give me rugby anyday...... however us brits have bowls so I shouldn't really complain here.... :p :p :p

[iGav]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


most people aren't descendants of native americans directly, and as a result, don't see that as their history, just the pre-america history really...

i just found out last week from my grandma that her mom (if i remember right) was partly native american, something i hadn't known before. not sure which tribe or anything, but it'd be interesting to look into that.... as of now i thought i was a purebred euro descendant.... pure bred as in like 5 different nationalities. ha!

that's the beauty of america.... some say "everyone's an immigrant" like it's a bad thing... but why can't it be a good thing? everyone mixes. there is more diversity than in most other countries. and that is a good thing to me.... though i'm still just a dumb honkey

That's really cool.........if it were me I'd try and check back to see where I decended from if I had that kind of heritage...... I already know mine for 10 generations and it's amazing when you can trace your roots back...... :)

But I completely understand what you're saying about some americans not really viewing native americans as part of the modern america interms of history..... it's a shame really as this is certainly equal to some european countries histories.....

[britboy]

Originally posted by mcrain


Meanwhile, that same cheecky Yank is laughing all the way to the bank. He built the bridge in the middle of nothing, and guess what, because it was the middle of nothing, the land was cheap as *****. Oh, guess what? It's a tourist attraction now.



So obviously there is recognition that british masonry is superior to what is available in the US, and you needed to import a bridge to get something decent.

It's a tourist attraction because those sunstroken residents of arizona don't have anything else worth seeing around there :D

[iGav]

Originally posted by mcrain


You want to know what's hillarious? You Brits point to this as an example of your superiority, and in fact, it just shows that Americans can take anything and make it work. We're innovative, creative, and above all successful.

You sit around chuckling, patting yourselves on the back whilst you talk about the bloody Yank and his silly bridge...


But you do have to admit...... the guy that bought London Bridge was abit of a div really...... :p and let's face it...... when you end up with a pile of bricks from a knackered old bridge...... you need to be abit creative..... :p

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by iGAV


We have whiskey too........ :) infact the Irish invented the stuff...... European cuisine__as a general rule is far superior because of the variety on offer..... although now like anywhere with todays multicultural cities..... decent food can be found anywhere in the world........

Never really got into NASCAR...... I'm more of an F1 and WRC guy myself although I do watch CART and the Indy Racing League thingy when it's shown on uk tv......... I love Baseball but don't really understand all the ins and outs yet...... can't stand American Football....... it's a ********* tragic example of a sport... a complete lack of free flowing action by meat heads in body armour...... give me rugby anyday...... however us brits have bowls so I shouldn't really complain here.... :p :p :p

I know the Irish created it. I am 1/4 Irish, and yea, theres is good, but cannot compare to the stuff from Tennessee. Now the food. No way. Man, trust me on this one. European food is blan, and very boring. Come to SW Louisiana, or the SE anywhere.

Now, Football. Tell you what try playing a full game of it. Try understanding the dynamics of the game. It is one of the most , if not the most technical sports in the world. It is a very, very demanding sport. Rugby is insane, I will give you that, and I do like it. Don't watch American Pro football, go for the college stuff.

[iGav]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


I know the Irish created it. I am 1/4 Irish, and yea, theres is good, but cannot compare to the stuff from Tennessee. Now the food. No way. Man, trust me on this one. European food is blan, and very boring. Come to SW Louisiana, or the SE anywhere.

Now, Football. Tell you what try playing a full game of it. Try understanding the dynamics of the game. It is one of the most , if not the most technical sports in the world. It is a very, very demanding sport. Rugby is insane, I will give you that, and I do like it. Don't watch American Pro football, go for the college stuff.

I'm half irish...... (everyone has Irish in them... heh heh) I prefer scotch to whiskey... but it's personal preference....... I'm only really familiar with JD.... so what other Whiskeys you got happening in the deep south???

Louisiana...... isn't the deep south all spicey fries and southern fried chicken?? :eek: :p I'm pulling your leg buddy...... name some dishes so I can hunt them down over the net...... I like my food you see and am alwys up for trying new stuff...... :D :)

American Football....... oh man..... I'll watch the Superbowl as it's one of those big occasions....... but the game is just so slow..... it's the lack of free flowing action... just kills my interest........ rugby does the same...... but rugby is a much faster sport...... anything with lots of breaks in it just bores me to death like cricket and tennis....... and we can add golf to that list as well....... :D :p

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
…anyway basketball was invented by an irishman, thats why the forwards are called backs and the backs are called forwards.
…

There are no backs in basketball, what are you talking about?:rolleyes:

On multiculturality-
One of America's greatest strengths lies is its diversity. While some may say it leaves us without a cohesive national identity, I think i gives us an even stronger global identity than anywhere else in the world.

The world is getting smaller everyday, and it's becoming impossible to avoid intermingling of cultures. Some decry the loss of the old times, and the old ways...but those no longer work in today's society. The USA, as always, is a pioneer in this arena.

[sturm375]

If a picture is worth 1000 words, here is a few thousand in favor of USA

A Great start - US Constitution

Supposed to be a picture attached here, however it didn't work.

[Wes]

I'm British and I visited that bridge which is evidently over a lake (Lake Havesu), not a river, Havesu. Why you don't build the bridge over rivers that feed the lake I don't know, only an American would!? Now don't tell me anything about the Bridge being to big or anything. Well the so-called "tourist-attraction" is a piece-of-crap city. It's dirty, empty and there's nothing there, we just drove by. Why were we in your country of America? The theme parks in Las Vegas

[sturm375]

Originally posted by sturm375
If a picture is worth 1000 words, here is a few thousand in favor of USA

A Great start - US Constitution

Supposed to be a picture attached here, however it didn't work.

[sturm375]

Normandy Beach:

[sturm375]

Iwa Jima:

[sturm375]

Coolest Rocket: Saturn V

[sturm375]

Coolest Car: Mach 1 Mustang

[sturm375]

And last, but not least, the most BadA$$ war-ship in all seven seas: U.S.S. Enterprise.

[jefhatfield]

those images do give us a good start but it takes many centuries to get that identity

look at any european or asian country...look at the mediterranean or africa...everybody has great and amazing stuff in their present and past

america is off to a good start and we have not even come close to reaching our peak, but that is still centuries away, folks

give me a national identity three hundred years from now and with those attached images, then the usa can come to the table with a culture second to none

good things take aging like wine and right now we are still in the wine barrels but made from a blend of the best grapes in the world

and also, after we have aa few world cups in our possession, then we will see who is boss..he he

[Dunepilot]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


exactly... it's because the greedy europeans that most americans are ancestors of came over here, raped, killed, and stole the land of the native americans... they are easily tossed aside onto reservations and other poor land now because our ancestors killed so many of them that now there are very few left.

most people do forget this indeed...

I don't want to make this overly-serious, but this is an extremely simplistic view of the colonisation of the New World by the Old, and as a historian I have to object.

There were obviously Europeans who tried to exploit the native indians in a calculating and ruthless manner, but there are numerous signs in the seventeenth century of a concerted desire among many of the English colonies to achieve a measure of cultural integration between white settlers and amerindians, George Thorpe and Thomas Elliot being two examples of individuals who did a great deal of good.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface. You can easily get into anthropological models of native American and Anglo-American behaviour and see that to an extent there were elements wishing to conquer the 'other' present in both cultures by the time of the English colonial adventure.

Just felt the need to point out that you hadn't got the whole picture, jello

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
…anyway basketball was invented by an irishman, thats why the forwards are called backs and the backs are called forwards.

I have to add my $2 worth here... Basketball was invented in the US, in MA if I remember my history correctly. IF the person inventing it was Irish, it was Irish/American. :p

What did you Brit's do in the first ~250 years your country was around?? Did it make the world any better??? How about your own country?? At least we had the balls to stand up to a tyrant and kick him out. :p

Also, I am fairly certain that Easter Island is in the Pacific Ocean, not part of the UK.

I also seem to remember how your once mighty empire has been reduced to a mere shadow of it's former self... The list of countries that USED to be colonies is not all that short.... do you have any left?? :p :D

One more thing, when we put our minds to it (as a country) there is almost nothing we cannot accomplish. With the resources we have, along with the ingenuity of the population (and the resident geniuses) we are a force to be reckoned with.

What were you guys after ~250 years??? How many times were you invaded and conquered?? :p :D Remember the Romans???

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by AlphaTech

What were you guys after ~250 years??? How many times were you invaded and conquered?? :p :D Remember the Romans???

Alpha. Hate to burst your bubble here, but the last time that Britain was invaded by land was 1066 at the Battle of Haistings.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Alpha. Hate to burst your bubble here, but the last time that Britain was invaded by land was 1066 at the Battle of Haistings.

Noticed I asked how many times, not when was the last one?? :p

Remember, the Roman's made you their biatch for more then a few years... :p :D

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Alpha. Hate to burst your bubble here, but the last time that Britain was invaded by land was 1066 at the Battle of Haistings.

i know the dutch attempted an almost successful attack by sea but got defeated in the end

and in 1940, germany almost posted a successful air attack but were somehow defeated by the lesser numbers of the RAF and this stands as one of the most amazing victories in the history of warfare

germany could have effectively won world war II if they had occupied england

even the us would not be able to purge germany from england, and then europe and still fight the japanese in the pacific at the same time

the us would have then bowed out of the war with no losses

the isolationists in america were a very strong group and the anti-war message was there from world war I with veterans walking around on one limb or no limbs!

japan would not have attacked pearl harbor if germany had been successful in their air campaign for britain

it was one of the key reasons that japan attacked pearl because england won in the battle for britain

[amnesiac1984]

all i know alpha is what my teacher taught me at school when we did basketball, sorry

as for what we did in the first ~250 years, well we developed naturally and slowly, we were native then taken over but still some are native etc etc etc, whereas you guys just used europes history and experience and its developed ideals to start a country on someone else's turf.

If it wasn't for our and everyone else's slow development, and the development of mankind in general, the USA would not be what it is today, and frankly I'm quite happy iwth my country as it is so you can all stick USA up your fat arses...

:p :p

[britboy]

Someone tell me when they think england became a country, and i'll tell you what we achieved in the first ~250 years of our existence.

[alex_ant]

If you're going to make fun of the USA, obesity is indeed a good thing to start on... we generally have a bit of a weight problem over here.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


There are no backs in basketball, what are you talking about?:rolleyes:

On multiculturality-
One of America's greatest strengths lies is its diversity. While some may say it leaves us without a cohesive national identity, I think i gives us an even stronger global identity than anywhere else in the world.

The world is getting smaller everyday, and it's becoming impossible to avoid intermingling of cultures. Some decry the loss of the old times, and the old ways...but those no longer work in today's society. The USA, as always, is a pioneer in this arena.


agreed! who said diversity is a set back? i think diversity is what all countries should strive for. America is indeed the king here. Its the wave of the future and once again America is ahead of its time. Thats Americas Identity!



dig it.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
those images do give us a good start but it takes many centuries to get that identity

look at any european or asian country...look at the mediterranean or africa...everybody has great and amazing stuff in their present and past

america is off to a good start and we have not even come close to reaching our peak, but that is still centuries away, folks

give me a national identity three hundred years from now and with those attached images, then the usa can come to the table with a culture second to none

good things take aging like wine and right now we are still in the wine barrels but made from a blend of the best grapes in the world

and also, after we have aa few world cups in our possession, then we will see who is boss..he he




if america does not have a strong culture then why are we number one on being copied by other countries? why is it that we are usually the only country getting jacked becuase of our supieriority in culture and trade...etc. etc.? why do you think the muslims hate us so much?

people hate what they cant conquer!


i dont see anyone trying to jack with the brits and thier culture. why not? cause its not as powerful as americas and as INFLUENTIAL.

dig it.


pie me if im wrong.
:D

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
I don't want to make this overly-serious, but this is an extremely simplistic view of the colonisation of the New World by the Old, and as a historian I have to object.

There were obviously Europeans who tried to exploit the native indians in a calculating and ruthless manner, but there are numerous signs in the seventeenth century of a concerted desire among many of the English colonies to achieve a measure of cultural integration between white settlers and amerindians, George Thorpe and Thomas Elliot being two examples of individuals who did a great deal of good.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface. You can easily get into anthropological models of native American and Anglo-American behaviour and see that to an extent there were elements wishing to conquer the 'other' present in both cultures by the time of the English colonial adventure.

Just felt the need to point out that you hadn't got the whole picture, jello

you're right, i dont' have the full picture. but then again, neither does anyone who learns history in america (that's the only first hand experience i'm going by). we celebrate columbus as a hero of sorts. i think that's bad because not only did he not really discover this place first, he also did tons of terrible things. i'm not saying everyone was bad, of course not. that's how things always are, some good some bad. but to place at least one guy who was not good in such a high esteem is not right in my opinion. so i think that a more thorough history should be taught, at least to high schoolers.... rather than trying to act as though everything was all great for america... thanks for the response. it's always good to learn.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
as for what we did in the first ~250 years, well we developed naturally and slowly, we were native then taken over but still some are native etc etc etc, whereas you guys just used europes history and experience and its developed ideals to start a country on someone else's turf.


don't you get it, it was brits (and others) that started america to begin with. so of course we "used" that history and experience... should we have started over?

i'm not historian, but from what i remember most accounts point to the middle east area as being where humans were first getting they groove on? if not, sorry, but regardless, we are all descendants from the same folks at the root, so you are just "using" their culture and experience as much as we are using yours...


krossfyter- i agree with your last statement about people wanting to emulate american culture and whatnot. we don't have historical culture as much, but we have what most others want here and now. however- i don't think that's totally why the muslims (some) hate us.. i tend to think it's our involvement in the middle east..but other than that... preach on brotha man!

[big]

sooo, let me get this straight. UK advocates are saying Brit Rocks because, you are still under monarchy rule, and a Parliment (which was a band last time I checked) that still has to wear funny little hats.

Well as far a Canada goes, I think they are all a little confused, "Gee Ranger Rick, which language should I use?"

and the States, If we could get off our couches and out of our SUV's, I'd say we would find we are absolutely pathetic too.

I'm so glad none of us are perfect, though I'm happy to be where I am!

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by big
sooo, let me get this straight. UK advocates are saying Brit Rocks because, you are still under monarchy rule, and a Parliment (which was a band last time I checked) that still has to wear funny little hats.

Well as far a Canada goes, I think they are all a little confused, "Gee Ranger Rick, which language should I use?"

and the States, If we could get off our couches and out of our SUV's, I'd say we would find we are absolutely pathetic too.

I'm so glad none of us are perfect, though I'm happy to be where I am!

well said!

i like the suv comment.

it makes me vomit when people are asked about how their fuel needs might be tied to supporting the terrorists. ie, oil money funds some of the groups. and they say they love their freedom cause it allows them to drive whatever car and use as much gas as they want... ehhhhh

[big]

I design town's, or at least I am beginning to get into town design. I don't mean building codes and the like, I mean my firm and I will be designing several full functioning towns.

The whole Idea will be to park your car and either walk or bike where ever you need to go. Put the garages behind your house/townhouse/apartments and off an alley.

cleaner air, walkability and a real place to live with a sence of community. Think about it, every place in America looks the same, I say we need to get educated and rebuild our nation.

We are wealthy because we build cheap crp and sell cheaper crp. (just look at Dell and compaq etc...that's why I bought the only decent machine made here in the states, a mac)

anyhoot, I could bore you for hours, so ending my rant now. yes I dislike the SUV and our gas policies too.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by big
We are wealthy because we build cheap crp and sell cheaper crp. (just look at Dell and compaq etc...that's why I bought the only decent machine made here in the states, a mac)

anyhoot, I could bore you for hours, so ending my rant now. yes I dislike the SUV and our gas policies too.

that's awesome that you do that... curious about 2 things: 1, where are you designing the towns? 2. what is "crp"?


i once saw a map of a made up city where instead of having a "central park" it was surrounded by nature and had city stuff on the inside... but it was all about having grass and trees as part of the city. of course, this is not the same with "towns" as they don't have that problem really....

my older, smarter bros are big into efficient housing design and urban sprawl and all that. i just pretend to know what i am talking about, though it interests me greatly.

[big]

we should start another thread, though I think it is realevant to the US vs UK posts. due to the livabilty issues we have here in the states. We "get" to drive to work everyday, most people in Europe have better options.

1-here in Alabama

2-crp is actually crap, kind of like wrz is warez or things of that like.

as far as sprawl goes....many low cost builders do not realize they are spending more money on your typical subdivision than you would on (hold on be right back, or email me sherroddrawings.com)

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by big
we should start another thread, though I think it is realevant to the US vs UK posts. due to the livabilty issues we have here in the states. We "get" to drive to work everyday, most people in Europe have better options.

1-here in Alabama

2-crp is actually crap, kind of like wrz is warez or things of that like.

as far as sprawl goes....many low cost builders do not realize they are spending more money on your typical subdivision than you would on (hold on be right back, or email me sherroddrawings.com)

yeah. i'll start it..

ha, i thought crp was some technical building term or something.... ahh i feel dumb.

can't you just type the extra letter??? ha.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by krossfyter

if america does not have a strong culture then why are we number one on being copied by other countries? why is it that we are usually the only country getting jacked becuase of our supieriority in culture and trade...etc. etc.?

Superiority in culture, eh? :)

I agree that the US does have a lot of culture, and I agree that a lot of it is wonderful, but I think a lot of the US "culture" spreading around the world is excessively materialistic, consumerist, & commercialist, with personal liberty taken to a detrimental extreme. That's just a generalization of course, and it's certainly not a universal rule, but I don't think it's anything to be proud of... the French boulangeries / street markets being eaten alive by McDonald's, ADM, and mega-supermarkets to name one example.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, a pervasive culture does not necessarily mean a "good" culture. Y'all can slag off France here, but I admire the French for being so stubborn about the retention of their culture and fighting off foreign influence. There are many very smart and progressive ideas floating around in France that would be difficult to implement in other, more US-like (capitalist, individualist), countries. The UK is interesting because it's kind of in the middle... or something.

Alex

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by alex_ant

Superiority in culture, eh? :)

I agree that the US does have a lot of culture, and I agree that a lot of it is wonderful, but I think a lot of the US "culture" spreading around the world is excessively materialistic, consumerist, & commercialist, with personal liberty taken to a detrimental extreme. That's just a generalization of course, and it's certainly not a universal rule, but I don't think it's anything to be proud of... the French boulangeries / street markets being eaten alive by McDonald's, ADM, and mega-supermarkets to name one example.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, a pervasive culture does not necessarily mean a "good" culture. Y'all can slag off France here, but I admire the French for being so stubborn about the retention of their culture and fighting off foreign influence. There are many very smart and progressive ideas floating around in France that would be difficult to implement in other, more US-like (capitalist, individualist), countries. The UK is interesting because it's kind of in the middle... or something.

Alex


okay respectible post.


now...wither america has a "good" culture or not is realtive. what is an absolute is that america is the numero uno most influential country in the world. im not arguing wither its good or not...because thats left up to opinion.



dig it.

[big]

well put and thought through there...When people in my profession design a "mixed use" building (or any building for that matter) that would mould to the "New Urbanists" ideals and a chain store moves in, we always take the stance that...

"Hey, let 'em move in and pay for a great building, when oil sky rockets they'll go under because they are not set up to handle that problem"

or simply don't eat/buy there. They'll leave and someone better will come along, and get a better deal on the suite because the previous tenant went under.

I feel, America is still trying to figure out who we are, I don't mean Andy Warhal kind of a country, but as living arrangements go, we have made a terrible bed to sleep in.

[krossfyter]

please feel free to correct me where my OPINION may be wrong ....but i feel that America does have a rich culutre and is rather deep. the strong point in american culture is that its made up of a lot of other cultures mixed together.
no other country can really claim that. people say "well it doesnt have its OWN culture" or whatever. well i think our own culture is a mixture of others...
where am i wrong?

[big]

America reminds me of a character out of the game "Cosmic Encounters" w/edict cards or something like that. Where the Alien race uses its opponents powers as its own.

I agree that America has a culture, it just doesn't all fit in too well in a sense of community.

I guess in France they would understand better, giving most of the population is French (though they seem to have some complex with American cowboys)

How about Canada? There are two obvious & major differences in the population there, where one is prominatly French, the other speaks English, I would think that's a bit Pzichophrenic.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by big
America reminds me of a character out of the game "Cosmic Encounters" w/edict cards or something like that. Where the Alien race uses its opponents powers as its own.

I agree that America has a culture, it just doesn't all fit in too well in a sense of community.

I guess in France they would understand better, giving most of the population is French (though they seem to have some complex with American cowboys)

How about Canada? There are two obvious & major differences in the population there, where one is prominatly French, the other speaks English, I would think that's a bit Pzichophrenic.


hey cool analogy...however i went add that the power combined from all other cultures creates one all new power! okay i feel like im in a voltron cartoon.


well anyways you get my point.


:D

[jefhatfield]

what about usa vs germany?

oops, that one was done already

well, there is always next game

[big]

oooh I know....here in the states, we can grow up to be incharge of the country.

El Presidento! we don't have to be any naturally born and gifted person (obvious, look at George)

but just to think, I actually could become the leader of all the free world!

*insert evil laughter here*

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by big
oooh I know....here in the states, we can grow up to be incharge of the country.

El Presidento! we don't have to be any naturally born and gifted person (obvious, look at George)

but just to think, I actually could become the leader of all the free world!

*insert evil laughter here*
It's the same here! The Queen doesn't rule the country, the government (specifically the Prime Minister) do! And that can be anyone elected into power.
Don't you know anything ... :rolleyes:

[britboy]

Originally posted by big

but just to think, I actually could become the leader of all the free world!

*insert evil laughter here*



You might be a redneck if you actually believe W is the leader of the "free world"


:D :D

[big]

ouch, I guess I haven't really been flamed yet so i had it coming...

sorry guys, I know the Queen/King has no real power. Sorry, can I buy you a cup of tea?

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by big
ouch, I guess I haven't really been flamed yet so i had it coming...

sorry guys, I know the Queen/King has no real power. Sorry, can I buy you a cup of tea?
That ok, we're brits, we have tea coming out of our ears! :p
You can come and grab a cup for free, we have plenty spare :D

[big]

I'd just have this overwhelming desire to dump it in a harbor, thanks though.

If I do make it over this year I will definitly make the rounds...where are you exactly, and please ask Charles to stop playing those commercials over here of midevil knights playing tennis.

[Dunepilot]

Originally posted by britboy
Someone tell me when they think england became a country, and i'll tell you what we achieved in the first ~250 years of our existence.

Very interesting question. Arguably the Anglo-Saxons created England as we know it in the last few reigns before the Norman Conquest when some loose unity was created out of the various kingships of Mercia, Wessex etc.

But probably a better point to start looking at England is in the twelfth century when key beauracractic measures like the Chancery and the Exchequer were created in a modern form under Henry I and his right-hand-man Roger of Salisbury.

Any other historians here will probably have strong opinions on this one...

[britboy]

Originally posted by big
ouch, I guess I haven't really been flamed yet so i had it coming...

sorry guys, I know the Queen/King has no real power. Sorry, can I buy you a cup of tea?


Don't worry, that was just the bunsen burner of flames - short, sharp and to the point. Consider yourself officially welcomed now ;)

A cupa would be delighful, thank-you :D


Dunepilot~ i take it you study history?

[Dunepilot]

I've just finished my history finals at Oxford.

Next year I'm going on to do original research, staying here in Oxford.

But I imagine I'll probably spend considerably more time on songwriting and so on for my band. We've just finished writing our best song to date, and have just done a recording session at a really great G4-based Protools studio, so my work will be very much balanced out with fun next year!:D

[big]

Consider yourself officially welcomed now
*Sniff Sniff* thanks guys *Sniff*
note:
single tear for drama

[coolocity]

Originally posted by verbose101
And you know somthing else?
We make the finest damn sports cars in the world!
Even Hollywood like 'em! Recognize it from Swordfish :D

Hate to tell ya, but the steering wheel is on the wrong side! Crazy Brits :p Good thing yer on an island or else ya would be driving around over here into oncoming traffic. Yip..

Anyway, nothing against 'em really. Harry Potter is from over there. :eek:

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
I've just finished my history finals at Oxford.

Next year I'm going on to do original research, staying here in Oxford.



you're an educated brit, so tell me why your best boxer lennox lewis sounds like some educated gentleman and still is the top boxer

our american boxers, and most football players and other assorted "tough" jocks i have met in the states sound like uneducated thugs

is lennox really smart or does he just sound smart to me...i lived on the west end and went to london u so i got used to hearing the educated speak compared to the average bloke at the pub playing darts getting hammered

anyway, congrats to england for producing such a class act as lennox lewis

[krossfyter]

Vladimir Klitschko is way smarter than lewis.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by krossfyter
Vladimir Klitschko is way smarter than lewis.

hu dat?

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


hu dat?


Vladimir Klitschko


Born:
March 25, 1976
Hometown:
Kiev, Ukraine
Record:
33-1 (31 KOs)
Division:
Heavyweight
Ranking:
WBO - 6: IBO - 7: WBC - 7: WBA - 12
Titles:
European Heavyweight Champion

[krossfyter]

i take that homeboy over lennox when they fight...AND THEY WILL!!!!

[krossfyter]

He has developed a powerful left hook to go along with his monotonous left jab and straight right hand. He has real power, and is very hard to hit because of his experience, strength, height, and Sonny Liston like arms. The problem I have with him is that he fights like someone trying to hide under a bed. He still can't duck under a punch and is way too stiff. He fights too much like Trinidad.




however i want to see him finnaly up against some real opponents.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by krossfyter
i take that homeboy over lennox when they fight...AND THEY WILL!!!!

that is an impressive record...i think lennox lewis is getting old and has seen better days though but he did beat tyson (also over the hill age-wise)

holyfield is gone and so it foreman

holmes is going to do an exhibition fight but that can't be pretty

maybe vladimir will be uncontested by the time he reaches the top

only late-ali, at age 30-36, had something to give at his age...and even then, some boxing experts claimed he was way, way past his prime

all great fighters peak at some point and then go down

overall, boxing a busy schedule and defending titles is a young man's sport

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jefhatfield



overall, boxing a busy schedule and defending titles is a young man's sport


very true indeed. there arent enough real contendors out there in the heavywieght division. what the hell is going on?

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by krossfyter



very true indeed. there arent enough real contendors out there in the heavywieght division. what the hell is going on?

i just got back from lennox's site...he's been boxing for 25 years...longer than many of his opponents have been alive

he will be 37 in just over two months and he seems in better shape than when ali was 36 and overwight and puffy looking the third time he won his title

wouldn't it be a kick to see lewis stay on top into his 40s...it still won't happen

foreman came out of retirement in his 40s for a brief shot at the top and then disappeared again...there is no way he could have won the title like he did at his age in his 40s if he had fought continuosly...he would have ended up like ali, or worse

being 37 and having won his first major amateur title near 20 years ago, lewis should hang up his gloves soon one day...this isn't golf and i wouldn't even call boxing a sport

...it is fighting and probably more brutal than most would ever want to endure...grown men cry and even pass out before the opening bell is rung as in the case with fights against the great oscar de la hoya