Shake 3.5 at NAB?

[MacRumors]

According to various rumors, Apple is planning on introducing Shake 3.5 (current version is 3.0) at the National Association of Broadcasters.

Documentation for the new version of Shake can already be found on Apple's site (http://shake.apple.com/doc/3.5News.html). This information was posted on March 15th, 2004.

Although new features are not detailed, the documentation does outline What's Fixed (http://shake.apple.com/doc/3.5News.html#What's%20Fixed) and Known Issues (http://shake.apple.com/doc/3.5News.html#Known%20Issues) in Shake 3.5.

[DrGruv1]

shake too $$$$$

[JohnGillilan]

Would Apple really put out that invitation to upgrade Shake from 3.0 to 3.5? There's got to be more to this . . . . (at least I would hope so)

[Trowaman]

Sounds good. I mean we want shake to keep winning academy awards, don't we? :cool:

Now, FCP 5, LET'S GO!

[DreaminDirector]

It would make sense that apple might do this, but if that's all, then that invitation sounds like a huge letdown. (like the first quarter of this year....)

[MacRAND]

According to various rumors, Apple is planning on introducing Shake 3.5 (current version is 3.0) at the National Association of Broadcasters.

My humble preditiction:
1. Shake (to include a X-grid like distributed render farm but not requiring dedicated computers)
2. FCP (4.5?)
3. Maybe PM G5s
However, not necessarily one week from today - just sometime during NAB.
Apple isn't presenting, so they could open their booth any day with new releases.

iSights are definately NOT broadcast equipment, so I wouldn't hope for new ones at NAB (certainly possible during NAB, but not AT NAB)
WWant SPEED & POWER: Render Farm / Cluster using Xserves with Shake?
Shake 3.5
Xserve dual G5 2.xGHz
Render Farm / Cluster
Xserve RAID
FCP 4.5
Pixar

[javabear90]

I want my quad 3.0 ghz G5's at nab... not some.. shaking thing

just kidding.......

acually not kidding but......

[nsb3000]

This sounds right. All these other predictions, (New Powerbooks, New Powermacs, New anything hardware) don't make a lot of snese givein this is a media event.

[CrackedButter]

Maybe shake is to be bundled into iLife and sold on all mac machines, talking about mac machines here they are, que range a G5 machines...

[Freg3000]

Well, it happened last year too.

[Eniregnat]

Don't be suprized if they drop the price with in the year and have an express version of Shake out soon. I met some people from Apple (from Marketing,Training, and Hardware) and they said that Apple was looking into dropping the price of Shake and of creating a "Express" version for students.

Shake is fantastic. I love it. On the purely speculative side, a trainer that I met said that he wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn’t "dumb" down the engine and create a version that edits only stills. I prefer nodes and noodles to working the traditional "layered" style that Adobe uses.
Then again, if I paid 5k for Shake, I'd use it to edit and batch stills also. Apple trains Shake users with a 2button&scroll mouse. So there might also be a change in Apple's one button mouse ideolgy.

As another side note, this fits Apple’s pattern of creating or purchasing applications to fill most user application needs. In a lot of ways, Apple is looking like Next, which doesn’t bode well for those of us that love Apple’s hardware and software control. I’d hate to see Apple go into primarily designing applications and move away from designing hardware, as Next did.

Post Script: For those of you that have not used Shake, find a way to use it. It is incredibly powerful and a whole lot of fun.

[jared_kipe]

More importantly, what the hell is that Irix thing? I've never heard of it.

[Eniregnat]

IRIX

http://www.sgi.com/software/irix/


Apple's G5's can run Apples OS as well as LINIX (As seen in some limited license that they have granted for use on with the X-Serves.

Shake has a UNIX and LINIX lineage.

The Shake licence as sold by Apple is floating. The Shake licence sold for other opperating systems are locked/"firm" and are a lot more expensive.

MacRand- there isn't anything stopping anybody from Clustering X-serves for use as a render farm. I thought that all the hardware and software is here.

[twinturbo]

IRIX is the SGI operating system. It's a version of UNIX proprietary to SGI hardware.

[JohnGillilan]

I think Apple removed that link to Shake 3.5 on their site. I can't get it to load anymore. Oops -- it's no g5 specs leak, but it looks like someone screwed up again.

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Does that answer the question as to whether Apple reads the rumor boards??????? :-D :p :p :p

I think Apple removed that link to Shake 3.5 on their site. I can't get it to load anymore. Oops -- it's no g5 specs leak, but it looks like someone screwed up again.

[PDubNYC]

More importantly, what the hell is that Irix thing? I've never heard of it.

What ever happened to people trying to do at least a basic search to learn about something before asking for help in a forum? A google search for Irix comes up with SGI for the first link, doesn't get much easier than that.

Between these type of things, and the schmucks asking about G5 PBs in every single topic, related or not, and these forums can often be really irritating to read, and not a good source of info about posted topics as they are meant to be.

Just had to get that off my chest. And to make this post relevent, my comment about the NAB is that the invitations are to broadcasters, not the public, so don't be surprised if the only thing introduced is a Shake upgrade, and possibly something similar, like a FCP update or possibly some kind of controller for them. But what do I know? just guessing. I REALLY hope that Apple doesn't wait until WWDC to release new HW.


ps- don't mean to come down on any one person in particular, just happened to the latest example of this.

[encro]

Does that answer the question as to whether Apple reads the rumor boards??????? :-D :p :p :p

not really, it just shows that that page is being hit frequently by macrumors.com readers :)

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Apple's got huge bandwidth.. They wouldn't get Slashdotted for such a small thing like this.. it looks pulled, which should make arn feel pretty darn proud :-)


not really, it just shows that that page is being hit frequently by macrumors.com readers :)

[JohnGillilan]

Moving picture. Moving sound. Removing their only new product annoucement all year from their website. :D :D

[Sonofhaig]

Post Script: For those of you that have not used Shake, find a way to use it. It is incredibly powerful and a whole lot of fun.

Isn't it also incredibly expensive? Isn't Shake for a real niche market?
What's the chance that I'd "find a way to use it"? Wasn't Shake used for scenes in Lord of the Rings? Unless it's at an Apple store, I doubt most people will..... have the opportunity to use it.

[Laslo Panaflex]

I use shake frequently for keying, and post production mastering, it works WAY better than FCP. I also use it to composite my maya renders into video plates. I am going to NAB and I hope that they annouce a new version of shake. Shake 3, while stable and runs pretty well on my dualie 2gig, could be optimized specifically for for the G5, like FCP and DVDSP. I really hope that they announce new HD cinema displays to go with my G5. I really want to get the 23", but I think I will wait for a newer 23" or 30" with faster response rate and maybe larger resolution. As for new towers, those are always good, but I don't think that I would upgrade just yet, I would probably buy a g5 cluster node before upgrading my tower.

[zim]

Don't be suprized if they drop the price with in the year and have an express version of Shake out soon. I met some people from Apple (from Marketing,Training, and Hardware) and they said that Apple was looking into dropping the price of Shake and of creating a "Express" version for students.

Shake is fantastic. I love it. On the purely speculative side, a trainer that I met said that he wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn’t "dumb" down the engine and create a version that edits only stills. I prefer nodes and noodles to working the traditional "layered" style that Adobe uses.
Then again, if I paid 5k for Shake, I'd use it to edit and batch stills also. Apple trains Shake users with a 2button&scroll mouse. So there might also be a change in Apple's one button mouse ideolgy.

As another side note, this fits Apple’s pattern of creating or purchasing applications to fill most user application needs. In a lot of ways, Apple is looking like Next, which doesn’t bode well for those of us that love Apple’s hardware and software control. I’d hate to see Apple go into primarily designing applications and move away from designing hardware, as Next did.

Post Script: For those of you that have not used Shake, find a way to use it. It is incredibly powerful and a whole lot of fun.

Do you use AE (after effects) at all? or does Shake do it all? I hope that there is an express version in the works because and if I understand what the application does, I would say goodbye to AE.

Thanks.

[Eniregnat]

In response to Sonofhaig and to add to Laslo Panaflex.

As most everybody noted it is expensive, but for what it does it's darn cheep. I'm not an expert with Shake nor do I plan to become a Shake monkey for a production house, but it is a phenomenal tool. If you ever need to do any post production correction, effects, or composting- it’s the app to do it in, at least for me. It's way better than FCP for keying and doing effects, but most people only do it for specific shots or sequences, not entire films (though batch correction and color grading is possible.).

My only point on my Post Scrip was to help spread the word as to what Shake is and what it can do. If there is a market then they just might drop it. It costs 5k today, but a decade from now, a 2d compositor of its caliber will likely run under 1k, if not under 500.

As far as finding a copy to mess around with. Try film festivals, film production organizations, Apple stores, or your local public access TV studio. The latter will likely make you take a class, but it will gain you access to their tools. I can't afford it, but if I could I would. It is a resource hog. Generating a short flip book (a preview) can take a long time on a bottom of the line g4.

Oh, and Panaflex- like the name.

[Eniregnat]

Do you use AE (after effects) at all? or does Shake do it all? I hope that there is an express version in the works because and if I understand what the application does, I would say goodbye to AE.

Thanks.

I can't help you there. These were people that I met and worked with for a shot time. They were not about to violate any NDA's, as working for Apple is a difficult but fun gig. I would guess that a static image version, ala Photo Shop would have the whole set of effects. I would bet that they would offer the 2key in the Expression version, and I bet that they would get rid of all but the most basic effects. For instance, I doubt that it would have automatic movement based key framing/tracking(effects can track a persons eyes!). I would guess that they would offer something better than 8 points on a garbage matte. The Express version would also be resolution dependent, or at the very least have a maximum resolution that it will deal with, just as FCE will not export to the same maximum resolution that FCP will. I doubt it will become an iLife suite combination, as most people do not do 3d compositing.

Some of what I said was just supposition. They were open about an Express version and about the fact that Apple was looking into different licensing /pricing schemes.

One last thing. A full 30 day trial (complete/no watermarks or diminished function) version of Shake comes with the Apple Citified Training program manual. Call the company, and they will extend the license up to 30 days more in most cases. That’s the cheapest way to use it, that comes out to about a dollar a day .

[MacRAND]

MacRand- there isn't anything stopping anybody from Clustering X-serves for use as a render farm.
I thought that all the hardware and software is here. Eniregnat, you are correct.
But there is no bundle being marketed making it user friendly, plug & play.

Think of it this way,
Pioneer made a 2x DVD/CD-R Drive, but didn't sell many - before
Apple bundled it -
named it the SuperDrive
installed them in 1+GB dual PowerMacs (making Pioneer's DVD burner combo instantly popular)
introduced iMovie/FCP & iDVD/DVD StudioPro software to take full advantage of an internal DVD burner, then
offered reasonably priced blank 4.7 GB DVD discs
2x DVD-R discs, which had been selling for at least $25 each,
Apple began selling their own brand at less than $10 each,
eventually driving the price down below $2 each,
which are now upgraded in disc speed (along with faster SuperDrives) to burn
4x DVD-R discs holding the price at under $2 each, and
8x DVD-R discs will soon be released by Apple at under $4 each (5 for $19.99) all
timed for release with the next G5 PowerMacs,
which will soon include faster SuperMacs burning DVD discs at
8x DVD/CD±R/RW now, followed by {12x won't count for anything}
16x by the end of 2004creating an iLife package that has rocked the industry.

Burning video discs will change dramatically again when
50 GB Blu-ray discs & drives finally become available to the consumer market.

Apple can conceptualize, package and market a virtual
SuperMac, as in SuperComputer (scaled down version of VT's BigMac)
marketing a Plug & Play bundle to meet the high-end
"render needs" of all those NLE Editors (NAB members) who
constantly complain about their need for speed in a PowerMac for
NLE or Pixar type design requirements.

APPLE can then demonstrate:
Here is your SuperMac,
How much rendering power do you need?with the only limitation being cost.
How much money do you have?
Entry level SuperMac = $4,300
High level SuperMac = $4.3-million for a world-class SuperComputer
It is the perfect open-ended product bundle taken from
conceptualization to reality using Apple's turnkey design of off-the-shelf
Mac hardware enhanced by Apple software
packaged to be user friendly. :D

Are you listening Apple?

[Eniregnat]

There are way too many Trademarks to search through here. Apple's Trademarks 2004 (http://www.apple.com/legal/appletmlist.html). If somebody can find one that reads/sounds like a Pro suite post it.

Perhaps they will do a bundle, but I doubt it. As a special yes, but not as a permanent suite. (This almost insures that it will happen.)

As far a turnkey systems. Apple has deals worked out with resellers to provide just this. I haven’t read about turnkey nodes or farms yet, but I bet it will come soon. Apple makes special deals with some resellers, providing them with better pricing and benefits. I can't find the reseller now, but there was one at a local film festival that offered an additional $300 off for a number of Apple based turnkey systems. The reduction was an incentive they worked out with Apple, at least that's what the guy said.

[Parikh1234]

I want my quad 3.0 ghz G5's at nab... not some.. shaking thing

just kidding.......

acually not kidding but......
if they are giving out the shaking thing for free ill take it. But for 5 grand, it better shake up an earthquake.

[BornAgainMac]

I thought Apple only focuses on iPods and music. They are done with Final Cut Pro, Shake, powerbooks, and hypercard, etc...

[MacFan25]

If there is already some documents on Apple's website, then I'm sure Shake 3.5 will be released at NAB. But, like I said in another thread, I don't think we'll see hardware updates here.

But, Apple's been known to surprise us before... :)

[~Shard~]

I guess this means no PowerMac speed bumps, no G5 PowerBooks, no G5 iMacs... not that it's surprising. After all this is a "media" event, and hardware updates just don't seem to fit - unless Jobs comes out and says, "Here's the new Shake 3.5 - and here's a nice new 2.4 GHz G5 PowerMac to run it on!" ;)

Hmm, so, barring the good old "next Tuesday" non-events, when IS the next big event that Apple might make major announcements at? WWDC? Even if the PMs are bumped up significantly from 2 GHz to 3 GHz, waiting an entire year with no real upgrades to the line, especially when it's the Pro line, just doesn't seem right... :(

[wuntrikpony]

I thought Apple only focuses on iPods and music. They are done with Final Cut Pro, Shake, powerbooks, and hypercard, etc...

LOL! hypercard and Final Cut Pro in the same sentence...hahaha :D

[jared_kipe]

What ever happened to people trying to do at least a basic search to learn about something before asking for help in a forum? A google search for Irix comes up with SGI for the first link, doesn't get much easier than that.....



Easy there big guy. My original post was merely meant to poke a little fun at the lack of important news these days. Obviously there was nothing important, or more important as it were, about what Irix was. Ok, so it wasn't the best joke to date, but give me another chance, I've got some potential.

By the way, I wouldn't want to say that you guys take these boards too seriously, but... bringing up off topic things around here is like showing your PETA card to Dennis Leary. Better?

[evil_santa]

In response to Sonofhaig and to add to Laslo Panaflex.
As far as finding a copy to mess around with. Try film festivals, film production organizations, Apple stores, or your local public access TV studio. The latter will likely make you take a class, but it will gain you access to their tools.

Shake (Apple Pro Training S.) by Marco Paolini (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321197259/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/202-6325419-3475840) has a 30 day demo disk with it.

Shake express would be good.

Have apple ever announced hardware at NAB?

[MacRAND]

Has Apple ever announced hardware at NAB?Irrelevant!
However, a software upgrade announcement would be more probable.

If Apple has a warehouse full of upgraded previously unreleased computers ready for sale & shipping, an event as minor as the birthday of the Governor of California's wife's LAPDOG would present ample opportunity and excuse for an OFFICIAL Apple hardware release announcement.

In fact, if the day of the week is TUESDAY - that by itself is more than enough. :D

When Apple is ready with new product, then anytime is right.
True, Uncle Steve does love to surprise and put on a show before a room full of Mac loving fans.

[Mudbug]

There are way too many Trademarks to search through here. Apple's Trademarks 2004 (http://www.apple.com/legal/appletmlist.html). If somebody can find one that reads/sounds like a Pro suite post it.

couple of questions from that list:

HotSauce TM - application program
E-Box TM - application program
A/ROSE TM - application program
MacWorkStation TM - application program
MPW - application program
SANE® - application program
Tremor - application program (if this is new, this could work name-wise as a shake derivative)

these are just the ones that caught my eye - I'm sure 99% if not all of them are old and I just don't remember them, but who knows. Anyone care to elaborate on them?

[reorx]

if they are giving out the shaking thing for free ill take it. But for 5 grand, it better shake up an earthquake.

Good sofware for small markets costs money. Bigger than normal money, which is absolutely a good thing, otherwise software developers who write awesome applications would have no jobs. All free software == all unemployed software developers.

If it makes your business lots of money, you will pay lots of money for it. Simple as that...

[wuntrikpony]

if they are giving out the shaking thing for free ill take it. But for 5 grand, it better shake up an earthquake.

You obviously have no idea what shake is for. It is a program for very high end post production houses. It is not meant for consumers. And if you knew anything about it you would know that it really could shake a damn earthquake. This program is a steal for 5k.

[awulf]

couple of questions from that list:

HotSauce TM - application program
E-Box TM - application program
A/ROSE TM - application program
MacWorkStation TM - application program
MPW - application program
SANE® - application program
Tremor - application program (if this is new, this could work name-wise as a shake derivative)

these are just the ones that caught my eye - I'm sure 99% if not all of them are old and I just don't remember them, but who knows. Anyone care to elaborate on them?

A/ROSE, isn't that a networking system extension of some sort in System 7?

[Quobobo]

couple of questions from that list:
Tremor - application program (if this is new, this could work name-wise as a shake derivative)

these are just the ones that caught my eye - I'm sure 99% if not all of them are old and I just don't remember them, but who knows. Anyone care to elaborate on them?

Tremor was made by Nothing Real (makers of Shake) before Apple bought them, it's likely that they just inherited the trademark from Nothing Real. More info here. (http://www.digitalanimators.com/2001/09_sep/news/nothingreal_tremorhd.htm)

[SpaceMagic]

the link doesn't work anymore... Apple's spies are out :p