Apple Second Quarter Results

[MacRumors]

Apple announced (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/sfw099_1.html) their second quarter results today which ended March 27, 2004.

For the first quarter, Apple posted a net profit of $46 million ($.12/share) compared to $14 million ($.04/share) in the same quarter last year. Revenue was up 29% to $1.909 billion when compared the same time frame.

749 thousand Macs were shipped while 807 thousand iPods were shipped this quarter. This represents a 5% increase in CPU shipments and a 909% increase in iPod shipments compared to Q2 2003.

The financial conference call will take place at 5pm EST (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/earningsq204/).

[montecristo]

I bet you meant 807 thousand! Amazing -- that exceeds the holiday quarter, and with 1 fewer day in the quarter (short february!) :)

[coumerelli]

... while 807 iPods were shipped this quarter.

wow, and I thought they were more popular than that...;)

At any rate that is an INCERDIBLE increase! Way to go Apple! I'm gonna add to the next quarter's numbers, that's for sure!

[aethier]

Holy Crap!
those ipods are selling like hot cakes.

nice to see that CPU sells are also up 5%

aethier

[Ja Di ksw]

wow that's impressive. Now if only they could do it with computers.

[MacsRgr8]

Apple announced (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/sfw099_1.html) their second quarter results today which ended March 27, 2004.
This represents a 5% increase in CPU shipments and a 909% increase in iPod shipments compared to Q2 2003.


To be honest this 5% increase doesn't seem alot to me, regarding the fact that the G5 wasn't available then.
I wonder exactly what this 5% is "made of". 5% of "all" CPUs? Or Less iMacs but more G5s?

[Mr Maui]

This represents a 5% increase in CPU shipments and a 909% increase in iPod shipments compared to Q2 2003.

Maybe we'll see this kind of increase in the reduced price eMacs now.

[GrannySmith_G5]

bu bu but I thought this was going to be a "terrible" quarter for Apple. HaHaHA

[Alexander]

Haha...Reuters: "Apple shares rose $28.30 on the INET electronic brokerage system from a close at $26.64 in regular Nasdaq trade."
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040414/markets_stocks_afterthebell_1.html

I think they're missing a word there... :rolleyes:

[rtdunham]

YOU WROTE:
Holy Crap!
those ipods are selling like hot cakes.

aethier
My macs:15 inch aluminum Powerbook, AE, backlit keyboard, gig of ram, supper drive, 5400 rpm hd ...

what's the carb rating on that supper drive? :)

gotta love typos.
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[autrefois]

So they are now selling more iPods than CPUs. Is this is a first? (with iPods up by so much, I assume so) I'm not sure I like this development...

--EDIT: Just to be clear, I am very happy Apple is doing so well! I just don't want them to de-emphasize computers. I love my iPod, but in my opinion Apple should be primarily concerned with computers, not with the iPod.--

[CubeHacker]

Judging by these results, it seems that the main purpose of the iPod was a failure. Sure, on its own, it doing simply amazing, especially for being an expensive "luxury" mp3 player. However, their true purpose was to spur sales of Macs, which doesn't seem to happening at all. A 900% increase in iPods, and only a 5% increase in computer sales is a huge difference. It seems even with the ease of use and desirability of iPods, people still aren't willing to switch to Macs. What WILL it really take?

[iChan]

WOWOWOWOW... a new 52-week on Apple Stocks...

$28.99 so far in after-hours trading...

what a magnificent quarter... well done Apple. thanks for helping me keep the faith!

here's to the new G5's!

[captain kirk]

So they are now selling more iPods than CPUs. Is this is a first? (with iPods up by so much, I assume so) I'm not sure I like this development...

This is a first, but that is how it will be from now on!

[captain kirk]

I guess this means G5 powerbooks next tuesday :D

[iJon]

So they are now selling more iPods than CPUs. Is this is a first? (with iPods up by so much, I assume so) I'm not sure I like this development...
well its a whole lot easier for people to afford a 25-500 dollars mp3 player as apposed to a 799-2999 computer. makes perfect sense to me.

iJon

[DreaminDirector]

WOWOWOWOW... a new 52-week on Apple Stocks...

$28.99 so far in after-hours trading...

what a magnificent quarter... well done Apple. thanks for helping me keep the faith!

here's to the new G5's!

Holy crap, I've never seen after hours trading like that before! It's UP almost 2.50 (10%) from its' close! This is really good news!

[NicoMan]

I guess this means G5 powerbooks next tuesday :D
Now that's what I really wanted to hear ;)

[Don't panic]

those ipods are selling like hot cakes


time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

[Mantat]

The iPod switching strategy will eventualy pay off. Its not immediate, it will take at least another year. For now, apple is getting a lot of credibility and thats whats important.

[captain kirk]

WOWOWOWOW... a new 52-week on Apple Stocks...

$28.99 so far in after-hours trading...

what a magnificent quarter... well done Apple. thanks for helping me keep the faith!

here's to the new G5's!

Hate to point this out but the reason for this quarters success has NOT been down to G5 sales which have been sluggish to say the least (many people anticipating speed bumps) When the conf call is published I am certain it will credit strong sales of ibooks and continued iPod growth. Remember we are comparing it with Q2 from last year which was a very slow period. The 12" & 17" powerbook had been announced but were not shipping, G4 tower sales were also very slow, so despite it being a 5% increase this quarters results were not as good as they could have been. Next quarter is where I see the real problem. What with hardware continuing to be dated. Unless of course they announce spanking new imacs and G5's soon with immediate shipping.

By the way if anyone asks the glass is half empty!!!!!!!

[ramallite]

The iPods are the only thing that is not a stable product, i.e. it is a "tickle me elmo" whose time may soon be over. iMacs are down 15% YTY, powerbooks are down 5% YTY, and Powermacs are up 12% YT. Need to see better iMac and Powerbook numbers...

[montecristo]

well its a whole lot easier for people to afford a 25-500 dollars mp3 player as apposed to a 799-2999 computer. makes perfect sense to me.

iJon


I agree. Furthermore, remember that many people who already have macs are buying iPods, so there is no way to tell how many people bought iPods in the holiday quarter are now buying macs this quarter. It is possible that the strategy (to get people to buy macs through trying out the iPod first) is working but there is no way to tell from these numbers.

From word of mouth amongst friends and co-workers, I know it's working. One new friend went into the store to buy an iPod, and came out with an iPod AND an iBook, because she wasn't sure how well the iPod would work with her Dell. :D :eek: :rolleyes: That's typical PC-think -- "I'm not sure a third-party peripheral will work with my Windows machine..." But hey, whatever sells macs! (And I say "new friend" because I was walking by her office one day, barely knew her, and spotted those white ear buds, and asked, "What's on your iPod?" and she told me the whole story. See, macs bring the whole world closer together! :) ).

[Trowaman]

The webcast is on!!!!

[PretendPCuser]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

Um, doesn't McDonald's or BK serve up hotcakes for breakfast? I think they do. And they sell, like, er, well, hotcakes... :confused:

Also: FIRST POST! (second page)

[montecristo]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

hmm..
I think it's supposed to be "cakes that are hot" (as opposed to cold)...
That's why they sell well. Like Krispy Kremes fresh out of the oven!

[Trowaman]

For those listening, Apple store London will open before 2005.

Not sure if this is new or not . . .

[AmigoMac]

Nice numbers, I agree, the iPod-Switching strategy is beginning now for the next year when the whole line will be G5 ... I hope to start soon the "G6 PB's Next week?" rumor soon! :rolleyes: :p ;) :D


By the way, can anyone tell me how can I buy apple shares from Germany, just want a couple of them ;) ...

[cmoney]

hmmm, how many powermacs was that? 174k? where are those updates?

[requies]

The iPods are the only thing that is not a stable product, i.e. it is a "tickle me elmo" whose time may soon be over. iMacs are down 15% YTY, powerbooks are down 5% YTY, and Powermacs are up 12% YT. Need to see better iMac and Powerbook numbers...

and elmo isn't still a major cash cow? just because a product ceases to be trendy does not mean it disappears. machine sales were up 5%. yes they could be better, but up is up.

[Steven1621]

i wonder how those sales would break down per model...

[dongmin]

The iPods are the only thing that is not a stable product, i.e. it is a "tickle me elmo" whose time may soon be over. iMacs are down 15% YTY, powerbooks are down 5% YTY, and Powermacs are up 12% YT. Need to see better iMac and Powerbook numbers... not terribly surprising. it's been a while since Apple has had a strong lineup across the board. it's either strong portables and weak desktops or vice versa or strong consumer and weak pro hardware. if and when apple can finally put all the pieces together (i.e. get new, faster chips into the portables and imacs), we should see some serious growth.

[claytonbench]

So they are now selling more iPods than CPUs. Is this is a first? (with iPods up by so much, I assume so) I'm not sure I like this development...

--EDIT: Just to be clear, I am very happy Apple is doing so well! I just don't want them to de-emphasize computers. I love my iPod, but in my opinion Apple should be primarily concerned with computers, not with the iPod.--


Apple should be primarily concerned with what makes money whether it be ipods or powerbook g5's.

[cmoney]

re: ipods and elmo, don't forget they soon start shipping ipods to HP as mentioned on the call.

[montecristo]

Nice numbers, I agree, the iPod-Switching strategy is beginning now for the next year when the whole line will be G5 ... I hope to start soon the "G6 PB's Next week?" rumor soon! :rolleyes: :p ;) :D


By the way, can anyone tell me how can I buy apple shares from Germany, just want a couple of them ;) ...

I don't know if Apple trades in Depositary Receipts on any of the German stock exchanges. If so, they are the equivalent of Apple shares, but would go by a different symbol.

If not, then you would have to open an account with a brokerage in the U.S., deposit money with them, and go from there. But each brokerage (Schwab, E-Trade, Merrill, etc) may have their own rules about foreign residents (like domestic mailing addresses, or minimum deposit amounts, etc.)

Or, on the web, you might be able to find these services that allow you to buy just one or two shares of your favorite companies, from them. But they are the actual owners of the shares. In other words, they buy 100 shares on the stock exchange, and find 100 people who just want one share and divide it up. I don't know much about these services, but I wouldn't use them for real investment.

[iB24]

Judging by these results, it seems that the main purpose of the iPod was a failure. Sure, on its own, it doing simply amazing, especially for being an expensive "luxury" mp3 player. However, their true purpose was to spur sales of Macs, which doesn't seem to happening at all. A 900% increase in iPods, and only a 5% increase in computer sales is a huge difference. It seems even with the ease of use and desirability of iPods, people still aren't willing to switch to Macs. What WILL it really take?

Did you really expect people to buy a new computer when they already have one that can use an iPod? Maybe a bit down the road when they're in the market for a new one, but not immediately. Especially not for something like an iPod.

[ThomasJefferson]

iPod this, iPod that, iPod FM, iPod video, iPod colors, iPod ...

?got hardware?

[restiffbard]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

Actually, McDonald's sells hotcakes and rather briskly.

[billyboy]

Just to be clear, I am very happy Apple is doing so well! I just don't want them to de-emphasize computers. I love my iPod, but in my opinion Apple should be primarily concerned with computers, not with the iPod.--

$1.16bn worth of computers versus $0.264bn worth of iPods. Sounds pretty Mac oriented to me.

[QCassidy352]

hehe, and still the critics predict the downfall of apple... gotta love it! :P

[NusuniAdmin]

Looks like bill gates wont have to bail us out for a while ;) :) :P

[winmacguy]

well its a whole lot easier for people to afford a 25-500 dollars mp3 player as apposed to a 799-2999 computer. makes perfect sense to me.

iJon
It is mostly all sales to NEW PC CUSTOMERS with the iPod range who are customers who would never have considered an puchasing an Apple Product before now.

And for Apple it is all bottom line profit and money in the bank!

[winmacguy]

Nice numbers, I agree, the iPod-Switching strategy is beginning now for the next year when the whole line will be G5 ... I hope to start soon the "G6 PB's Next week?" rumor soon! :rolleyes: :p ;) :D


By the way, can anyone tell me how can I buy apple shares from Germany, just want a couple of them ;) ...

You can buy ONE share in Apple from the link posted below

http://www.oneshare.com/

[Krizoitz]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh


hotcakes = pancakes
Lots of places sell them

[Nny]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

Aren't pancakes "hotcakes"?

http://www.zihuatanejo.com.mx/bananas/hotcakes.jpg

Heck, I eat 'em like they are going out of style! (to continue using well-overused phrases)

[primalman]

CBS MarketWatch lead story is Apple right now, in Big Freaking Letters - "Apple Profit Soars Over 300%"

Nice to see notice.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/default.asp?siteID=mktw

[Trimix]

Judging by these results, it seems that the main purpose of the iPod was a failure. Sure, on its own, it doing simply amazing, especially for being an expensive "luxury" mp3 player. However, their true purpose was to spur sales of Macs, which doesn't seem to happening at all. A 900% increase in iPods, and only a 5% increase in computer sales is a huge difference. It seems even with the ease of use and desirability of iPods, people still aren't willing to switch to Macs. What WILL it really take?

sorry to weigh in, but your logic is tainted
first, existing maccies bought i-pods (safe to assume)
second, windoze users bought i-pods (no need to switch)
so these two groups need no new macs
but then not only did apple keep the number of sales steady with basically no new machines out as everybody at other places in this forum is complaining (i included :p ) but they grew it and there must be some i-podites-switchers - assuming that those in group one have the machines they need and are waiting for new better cooler macs - don't we all ?
do i make myself clear ? it is late here - good night - way to go apple - i love my aapl shares

[Krizoitz]

Judging by these results, it seems that the main purpose of the iPod was a failure. Sure, on its own, it doing simply amazing, especially for being an expensive "luxury" mp3 player. However, their true purpose was to spur sales of Macs, which doesn't seem to happening at all. A 900% increase in iPods, and only a 5% increase in computer sales is a huge difference. It seems even with the ease of use and desirability of iPods, people still aren't willing to switch to Macs. What WILL it really take?

I knew this would happen. Apple has positive results and someone finds a reason to complain.

As someone pointed out iPods are much cheaper than a computer, and alot of people allready had a computer, not alot had iPods. As for increasing Mac sales, its not going to happen over night. People aren't going to buy an iPod, look at their still working just fine computer and say well I should got out and spend more money on a computer! CPU sales are up, this is good. But Apple isn't going to get to 20% market share over night folks. PATIENCE.

[iggyb]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

mmmmmmmmmmmm............hotcakes.......

[g30ffr3y]

good job apple... so why dont you use some momentum and release some new computers...

the emac is a good start... but we all know what we're waiting for....

[iChan]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

the term "selling like hot cakes"

is merely the signify that something is selling fast...

i mean, should somewhere be selling hot cakes, you'd wanna get them fast before they get cold.

[elgruga]

The iPod is a trojan horse. 4 million will sell this year, esp. when they get the mini up to serious production speed.
Not all those iPods are going to mac owners.

Now if Apple can introduce a cheaper, 'entry-level' machine, preferably with an optional monitor, then we may see the next generation of computer buyers trying out the Apple brand.

Its all good news.

All these hints at Apple falling apart are silly - Apple is a senior company, in business for nearly 3 decades, no debt, major brand identity worldwide, innovative, and making a good profit from sales.

Growth may not be possible beyond 5 - 10% per annum. Thats OK, but its not as dramatic as some want.

Who would have predicted that Apple could sell 6 million mp3 players, at a premium price, in an 18 month period?

[Trimix]

Nice numbers, I agree, the iPod-Switching strategy is beginning now for the next year when the whole line will be G5 ... I hope to start soon the "G6 PB's Next week?" rumor soon! :rolleyes: :p ;) :D


By the way, can anyone tell me how can I buy apple shares from Germany, just want a couple of them ;) ...

open a deposit at a german bank, tell them to buy aapl, specify the exchange, u.s. or frankfurt and off you go. but if you do not know this and could not even bother to check the quotes on the various exchanges via for example yahoo, then rather don't touch it. sorry don't want to sound condescending, but do some research first, then go out and play with your dough.

[elgruga]

Thats the point of hotcakes, they must be HOT!

Once they go cold, they just dont sell.

The iPod is HOT, the other mp3 players are NOT.

Selling like hotcakes, cant bake 'em fast enough, it seems.

[ifjake]

i must say, i'm quite impressed with the clan of select individuals that find some way to work in some comment about powerbook G5's next tuesday in every single thread. quite a reliable bunch.

Apple's computers are starting to gain more popularity in my mind. i already know of a few people who are thinking about getting a Mac (me giving the subtle yet definite shove in that direction). but personally i hope Apple keeps up the quality over quantity. i remember back in the day getting a Dell computer meant getting a pretty reliable computer, to be coveted ("Dude, you're getting a Dell!" was around before the marketing campaign). now that Dell is all about selling as many computers as they can at the cheapest prices they can, they've gotten into their cheap plastic boxes and rather lackluster service. Microsoft has been complaining that Windows XP hasn't been selling as well as they would like. yeah just focus on bringing up the quality a little and then maybe you can complain about sales.

the issue between iPods and computers doesn't really bother me. the iPod is a relatively easy money maker for Apple. not much effort and resources, enough to detract from the computer makin', is really necessary to keep that moving along, other than manufacturing keeping up with demand.

[James Craner]

SELL LIKE HOT CAKES - "Hot cakes cooked in bear grease or pork lard were popular from earliest times in American. First made of cornmeal, the griddle cakes or pancakes were of course best when served piping hot and were often sold at church benefits, fairs, and other functions. So popular were they that by the beginning of the 19th century 'to sell like hot cakes' was a familiar expression for anything that sold very quickly effortlessly, and in quantity." From "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997)

All I can say if these were cooked in bear grease, I can't see why these were so popular!

[primalman]

SELL LIKE HOT CAKES - "Hot cakes cooked in bear grease or pork lard were popular from earliest times in American. First made of cornmeal, the griddle cakes or pancakes were of course best when served piping hot and were often sold at church benefits, fairs, and other functions. So popular were they that by the beginning of the 19th century 'to sell like hot cakes' was a familiar expression for anything that sold very quickly effortlessly, and in quantity." From "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997)

All I can say if these were cooked in bear grease, I can't see why these were so popular!

Thank you. Now, back OT.

[rog]

I'm shocked that mac sales were up at all given that every product has essentially been overdue for an update that was expected the following Tuesday for the enitre quarter. I guess it shows very few know anything about when new macs are due and kills apple's argument about rumor sites hurting sales. The iPod news is amazing. It's clearly becoming the "must have" gadget. It will be interesting to see if they take it further to continue to fuel sales, because so far I see no reason to upgrade my 2nd gen 20GB model. On the downside, Microsoft made another $46 million in profit in the time it took me to type this message!

[Rocketman]

Judging by these results, it seems that the main purpose of the iPod was a failure. Sure, on its own, it doing simply amazing, especially for being an expensive "luxury" mp3 player. However, their true purpose was to spur sales of Macs, which doesn't seem to happening at all. A 900% increase in iPods, and only a 5% increase in computer sales is a huge difference. It seems even with the ease of use and desirability of iPods, people still aren't willing to switch to Macs. What WILL it really take?


The early adopters are MAC users. We will not know the effect of iPods on mac sales until 3 years into the experiment. It is a crap shoot. The current trends are encouraging.

However, iTunes Windows demand indicates as one might expect, people do not want to relearn an OS independent of the benefits.

Mac OSX with Windows GUI option? Sprint did it for word processors!

Rocketman

[dontmatter]

I want to point out, 900% increase in the number of ipods SHIPPED. Wow. Given the backlog of mini's not being shipped...WOW. That's some serious ipod demand. Still, it worries me, because this is the sort of market that clones will eventually take, or make completely unprofitable because they'll be a commodity, not a luxury item. And we know apple doesn't do well in such markets. But, we can be happy for now, because this is not just major money in the bank for apple, but major publicity for apple, and that is exactly what apple needs. PC users need to think there's another option, besides of course some lousy company that reached it's peak with SE30's.

So, speaking of which...how does that 5% increase over a year ago compare with the rest of the computer industry's numbers. Anybody know? Does this reflect an increase in market share or just an increase in the market? (also relevant to that-how was second quarter last year, vs. all of last year? Was it weak enough that it makes this 5% artificially high?)

Now, lets just hope the emac starts updates of everything, because it looks like apple pulled off one quarter of good profits while their products have slid in value compared to the competition, but lets not hope for two. Particularly, I'm hoping for signifigant updates/price drops in imacs, ibooks, and powerbooks. imacs because they just desperately need them, and I think they should be central to apple's strategy (Powermacs just have too limited a market, and apple wasn't cut out to make cheap boxes to compete with wintel). ibooks because practically every switcher, or possible switcher, is going ibook. I don't even know anybody who's bought an apple desktop lately, mac fanatic or not. And, powerbooks, because that's what I have :D

[asim]

CPU deliveries were up, but apple has dual processor offerings. Does a dual G5 PM (or X-serve) count as one or two? if it counts as two, this 5% increase in CPUs could still represent a decrease in machines sold.

afc

[cmoney]

5% CPU growth year over year ain't much to write about, IMHO. Don't forget, Apple was still selling (or not selling) PowerMac G4s last year as their main tower model and IIRC, sales weren't so hot on those models last year. (Though they may have improved for the models that were selling at this time last year.)

But it was nice to see iBooks selling well.

PowerMac sales are important if only because they are one of Apple's higher profit margin machines.

[dontmatter]

The early adopters are MAC users. We will not know the effect of iPods on mac sales until 3 years into the experiment. It is a crap shoot. The current trends are encouraging.

However, iTunes Windows demand indicates as one might expect, people do not want to relearn an OS independent of the benefits.

Mac OSX with Windows GUI option? Sprint did it for word processors!

Rocketman


True, but it's pretty darned nice to have a game of craps that's making money for three years until we find out if it makes market share, too, isn't it :) . I think you're wrong on itunes windows, though. I think all it indicates is that PC users like apple software, and are getting the chance to get the feel of apple innovation. No wintel user is going to go, hey, I saw my friend had this application that kicked ass, I'm going to buy a new computer (independent of OS) to run it! What they're going to do, is download it, use it and love it on their computer, and start recognizing that this application is how all apple software works-beautifully.

the two reasons I've seen for windows users not using itunes (but man, I love it, it took a month for the question to go from why itunes to why anything but itunes, among the PC crowd), is the lack of butt ugly skins availible for it, and the lack of a version that fits in very small player on your screen, instead of a full sized window. Those two things, and the ability for other people to make visualizer schemes for it, and I think it could literally make every other jukebox obsolete.

And, increase apple awarness, and so hopefully sales.

[aswitcher]

So.

iMac/eMac are still going down. -17% and down from last quarter

iBooks are up 48% but steady from last quarter

Powermacs are up from this time last year but down 206K to 174K this quarter

Powerbooks are up from this time last year but down 195k to 147k this quater

So whilst good compared to this time last year (except imac/emac) not good in this quarter except for the ibook which held steady.


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/sfw099_1.html
Apple Computer, Inc.
Q2'04 Unaudited Summary Data


Q1'04 Actual Q2'03 Actual Q2'04 Actual

Units Rev Units Rev Units Rev
k $m k $m k $m
Product Summary
iMac (1) 227 $251 256 $302 217 $252
iBook 201 221 133 151 201 223
Power Mac (2) 206 398 156 293 174 349
PowerBook 195 399 166 353 157 336

Subtotal CPUs 829 1,269 711 1,099 749 1,160
iPod 733 256 80 31 807 264
Peripherals & Other HW NM 243 NM 185 NM 272
Software & Other NM 238 NM 160 NM 213

Total Apple $2,006 $1,475 $1,909

Sequential Change Year/Year Change
Units Revenue Units Revenue
Product Summary
iMac (1) -4% 0% -15% -17%
iBook 0% 1% 51% 48%
Power Mac (2) -16% -12% 12% 19%
PowerBook -19% -16% -5% -5%

Subtotal CPUs -10% -9% 5% 6%
iPod 10% 3% 909% 752%
Peripherals & Other HW NM 12% NM 47%
Software & Other NM -11% NM 33%
Total Apple -5% 29%

[dontmatter]

CPU deliveries were up, but apple has dual processor offerings. Does a dual G5 PM (or X-serve) count as one or two? if it counts as two, this 5% increase in CPUs could still represent a decrease in machines sold.

afc


oh damn, that could be depressing. :(

[IIvan]

Wow- this 909% increase is even before al HPs (and Compaqs?) ship with itunes. Though the HP BluePods begin selling then too I assume (maybe Apple will come out with new ones before HP begins selling them). tll be interesting to see if this continues

[primalman]

CPU deliveries were up, but apple has dual processor offerings. Does a dual G5 PM (or X-serve) count as one or two? if it counts as two, this 5% increase in CPUs could still represent a decrease in machines sold.

afc

When they say CPU delivery, they mean a complete unit, ie a computer, not just a processor.

So, just to be clear, they are not counting each dual processor mac sold as two deliveries, just one.

[hughdogg]

(And I say "new friend" because I was walking by her office one day, barely knew her, and spotted those white ear buds, and asked, "What's on your iPod?" and she told me the whole story. See, macs bring the whole world closer together! :) ).

So...is she hot?
:D

[ajb13]

For those of you curious, Apple stock is about to break the $30.00 mark. Currently trading after hours at $29.16 up $2.52 / 9.46% and rising... :D

[MCCFR]

Interesting factoid 1…

Approximately 28% of the iPods in the wild were sold in the last quarter.

Interesting factoid 2…

Approximately 54% of the iPods in the wild were sold in the last six months.

Here's a forecast…

6.5 million iPods (combined, including mini and hPod) sold during 2004 calendar year.

[cmoney]

For those of you curious, Apple stock is about to break the $30.00 mark. Currently trading after hours at $29.16 up $2.52 / 9.46% and rising... :D

yeah baby. aapl bought me a miata before it crashed a few years ago, then got me an HDTV when i bought my house earlier this year, and now maybe it'll buy me a rev b G5. oh wait, where are those rev. bs?!

[rdowns]

For those of you curious, Apple stock is about to break the $30.00 mark. Currently trading after hours at $29.16 up $2.52 / 9.46% and rising... :D

Man, am I gald I didn't sell half my 650 Apple shares like I posted I would. I've made good money n the market by using sound research and some luck. Almost let the doom and gloom from MacRumors cloud my judgement. We must all remember that the stuff posted in here is but a very small overall view.

[dongmin]

So.

iMac/eMac are still going down. -17% and down from last quarter

iBooks are up 48% but steady from last quarter

Powermacs are up from this time last year but down 206K to 174K this quarter

Powerbooks are up from this time last year but down 195k to 147k this quater

So whilst good compared to this time last year (except imac/emac) not good in this quarter except for the ibook which held steady.


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/sfw099_1.html
Apple Computer, Inc.
Q2'04 Unaudited Summary Data


Q1'04 Actual Q2'03 Actual Q2'04 Actual

Units Rev Units Rev Units Rev
k $m k $m k $m
Product Summary
iMac (1) 227 $251 256 $302 217 $252
iBook 201 221 133 151 201 223
Power Mac (2) 206 398 156 293 174 349
PowerBook 195 399 166 353 157 336

Subtotal CPUs 829 1,269 711 1,099 749 1,160
iPod 733 256 80 31 807 264
Peripherals & Other HW NM 243 NM 185 NM 272
Software & Other NM 238 NM 160 NM 213

Total Apple $2,006 $1,475 $1,909

Sequential Change Year/Year Change
Units Revenue Units Revenue
Product Summary
iMac (1) -4% 0% -15% -17%
iBook 0% 1% 51% 48%
Power Mac (2) -16% -12% 12% 19%
PowerBook -19% -16% -5% -5%

Subtotal CPUs -10% -9% 5% 6%
iPod 10% 3% 909% 752%
Peripherals & Other HW NM 12% NM 47%
Software & Other NM -11% NM 33%
Total Apple -5% 29% the silver lining of course is that this is the slowest quarter for computer purchases.

emacs should get a healthy boost this quarter.
imacs will disappear from the face of the earth.
powerbooks should get a bump but nothing dramatic.
ibooks will hold steady.
powermacs will slow to a trickle unless they bring out updates.

[rtdunham]

So whilst good compared to this time last year (except imac/emac) not good in this quarter except for the ibook which held steady.%

there's a seasonality to computer sales that isn't acnowledged by your observation. it's not reasonable to expect the first quarter (calendar, not fiscal year) sales to match 4th quarter christmas season sales, imho.

terry

[Frohickey]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

You, sir, are W R O N G!

McDonald's ... Hotcakes and Sausage... every day before 10:30AM... $2.19. :D

[aswitcher]

there's a seasonality to computer sales that isn't acnowledged by your observation. it's not reasonable to expect the first quarter (calendar, not fiscal year) sales to match 4th quarter christmas season sales, imho.

terry

Sure, thats why the financial statement is the way it is. Nethertheless older hardware aint going to sell as well...

Anyway, I am particularly focusing in on the delcine of the imac/emac, which I believe is the imac sales are the ones causing this slump...

[edenwaith]

For a very pleasant change, Apple's stock went up after reporting a quarterly profit. It seems like almost every time that Apple has its quarterly reviews, their stock goes down. It doesn't matter if they pulled a profit or not, the stock still went down! That doesn't make much sense to me. "Yes, Apple is doing well and is profitable! Well, you know what that means...they will have crumbled and be bankrupt within 60 days."

Still, good to see another healthy profit. Was there any mention on how much revenue they are pulling in from software sales?

[macnews]

Ok, first let me get out this is GOOD news. Always nice to see Apple in the news in a positive light, esp from a financial perspective.

However, IF Apple does not release 3.0 GHz G5's in July it will be VERY BAD press. I'm not saying they have to ship (well by year end they do) but they have to at least announce the will be shipping (before year end). Apple placed the bar there a year ago. All this good iPod news will quickly be forgotten if the COMPUTER maker Apple doesn't deliver as promissed. It is just as bad as not meeting Wall Street expectations.

It only takes one mis-step. Given the delivery problems with G5's on Xserves one has to wonder if we will see the 3 Ghz barrier brought closer this summer. As for those who are arguing about the iPod leading to Mac computer buys, I hate to say it but the 'ol megahertz myth is still alive and well. For the typical computer buyer they see one machine for $989 at 3.0Ghz (Dell dimension 8300 - or $1700 for 3.2 Ghz), and $3000 for 2.0 Ghz. They don't look at the insides save maybe ram. Not hard to see why people don't buy the computers - the typicall consumer that is. We get 3.0 ghz machines and the ipod sales, good financial news should result in a super year for Apple. They miss and it could be a tough 3 quarters.

[eSnow]

By the way, can anyone tell me how can I buy apple shares from Germany, just want a couple of them ;) ...

Sure, you can buy them as any other stock. The WKN and other details are listed here:
Link (http://www.boerse-online.de/ppxy/gt/einzelkurs_kurse.htm?&s=865985&n=Apple%20Computer&l=276&b=2&isin=US0378331005)

[Mord]

[Mord]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

the hotcakes thing dose apply to the british isles where there are these stalls that sell hot cakes at night when theres crowds of people (eg melenium) and then they sell **** loads of them

[grouse]

This is the worrying element I feel. And I'm sure Apple are surprised by this. How many did they sell of the Xserve to that Virginia cluster? These figures must be in there somewhere. Unless, the supply problems mean that they're not counted yet, as the figures are on CPU's shipped, not ordered.

When the G5's were announced, all of us (apple included I reckon), thought they would soar, but after the initial buzz of the pre-orders, sales fell off. With all the good news about certain sectors, bio, movies, government, moving towards PowerMacs, it must mean that the creative industry is failing to pick up on new macs. Either because, like my company, they build such robust machines that actually the G4s are still working fine and doing the job, or they are losing market share in the creative industry. It is well known that us mac-types (not necessarily the mac-heads on these page) don't upgrade as quickly and as often as Windows people, because, as I said, the machines last longer, which means apple has to offer a compelling reason to buy the new kit. It has to be significantly better, faster and offer things that our existing machines can't do, or do very slowly. It's a combination of the old Microsoft trick of bringing out software that requires new machines and encouraging developers to write updated software that uses the latest system tweaks and hardware tweaks.

Also in the figures can be detected a slightly worrying fall-off in Europe and Japan, although iPod minis not surfacing worldwide has an effect, but look at year-on-year Japan -29% CPUs, -21% revenue!

And despite all the new software apple is now developing, and the new Filemaker, software is down.

Final thought, poking around in the figures, no-one's really picked up on the true star of the quarter: "Peripherals & Other HW", revenue up from $185m to $272m in two quarters! What's that made up of? Keyboards?

Oh and well done Apple for headline grabbing profit rises.

[rdowns]

Final thought, poking around in the figures, no-one's really picked up on the true star of the quarter: "Peripherals & Other HW", revenue up from $185m to $272m in two quarters! What's that made up of? Keyboards?

Oh and well done Apple for headline grabbing profit rises.

KBs, mice, iSights, iPod accessories, speakers, batteries etc.

[grouse]

airport, bluetooth, airport cards, monitors?

It would be really interesting to see those itemised. Is airport a continuing success, are they shifting a load of monitors, what's the bluetooth take-up like on the mac platform, that sort of thing?

Is it that these individual numbers are kept secret due to not wanting to tell the competition or that we need to find the figures elsewhere?

[gopher]

time to debunk this myth.

N O B O D Y buys hotcakes.

I can't even think of one single place where they sell them.

sheesh

I guess you never heard of International House of Pancakes or Denny's.

Even dictionary.com recognizes that a hotcake is a pancake.

[jayb2000]

... and the lack of a version that fits in very small player on your screen, instead of a full sized window...

Just hit CTRL+M or under ADVANCED choose Switch to Mini Player. :cool:

Its the same as the green button on OS X.

RTFM people! :mad:

[groovebuster]

At least they made a profit, but I still don't find the numbers that impressive.

The worlwide computer market grew more than 10% the last 12 months (unit wise that is). But Apple sold only 5% more CPU units. That means that Apple is losing ground even though they sold more... The european market is stagnant despite the G5 PowerMacs and Japan looks like a desaster on the balance sheet...

That's what happens when you are neglecting overseas markets. And more than 40% of revenues are made outside the american continent.

groovebuster

[Dont Hurt Me]

At least they made a profit, but I still don't find the numbers that impressive.

The worlwide computer market grew more than 10% the last 12 months (unit wise that is). But Apple sold only 5% more CPU units. That means that Apple is losing ground even though they sold more... The european market is stagnant despite the G5 PowerMacs and Japan looks like a desaster on the balance sheet...

That's what happens when you are neglecting overseas markets. And more than 40% of revenues are made outside the american continent.

groovebusterTrue, Im glad Apple is doing well in the music industry but powermac sales were 174,000 and that included xserve and powermac G4. Down yet again from last qtr. they are selling in the same qtys as were quicksilvers 3 years ago but the market has gotten bigger every year. I wonder how many G5 powermacs sold? funny how they blurr this. just like Imac sales where they add Emac sales. If Apple showed simply G5 sales and Imac sales im sure most would agree they are dismal. the point groovebuster makes is very valid. smaller and smaller marketshare. Yes Apple did Great with pods but with systems that sit on your desk they are selling less and less in a bigger and bigger market. Ars technica has a article about it and in it they say dont look for a G5 Imac anytime soon. Hope they are wrong. If not then it looks like a 1.5 G4 Imac in the next month or two. Yawn.

[frankly]

So they are now selling more iPods than CPUs. Is this is a first? (with iPods up by so much, I assume so) I'm not sure I like this development...

--EDIT: Just to be clear, I am very happy Apple is doing so well! I just don't want them to de-emphasize computers. I love my iPod, but in my opinion Apple should be primarily concerned with computers, not with the iPod.--

Don't worry. They still make a lot more money selling a computer than an iPod. Plus, getting the iPod into more people's hands gives them increased mind-share which will only help them sell more computers in the long run.

Later, Frank

[groovebuster]

Plus, getting the iPod into more people's hands gives them increased mind-share which will only help them sell more computers in the long run.
So if Ford would start selling bicycles and they would be a huge hit, they would also sell more cars?

I don't think so...

Show me one example when that strategy worked out for a company in the past. Good luck!

The iPod is Windows and Mac compatible. People buy it because it is a cool item. They couldn't care less if Apple also builds computers, since in most cases they already have one.

Think about it... How many of the iPod buyers don't have a computer already, since the iPod is pretty useless without a computer? Exactly! Close to zero.

groovebuster

[LaMerVipere]

So if Ford would start selling bicycles and they would be a huge hit, they would also sell more cars?

I don't think so...

Show me one example when that strategy worked out for a company in the past. Good luck!

The iPod is Windows and Mac compatible. People buy it because it is a cool item. They couldn't care less if Apple also builds computers, since in most cases they already have one.

Think about it... How many of the iPod buyers don't have a computer already, since the iPod is pretty useless without a computer? Exactly! Close to zero.

groovebuster

So true, so many of my Windows/PC friends have iPods, and though they rave about their iPods and think they are the best thing since sliced bread, and all that jazz, they still make fun of me for being a Mac guy!

Even when i bring my lappy to school and they all marvel at how cool it looks and how easy OS X is to use (They seem to be really amazed at the ability to simply drag files to open or move them in OS X or something. I always get stopped when I'm using PhotoShop with them going "wait, u can just drag things like that???" whatever that means) I try and get them to even consider the possiblity that they might switch someday, but they just laugh and say how much Macs suck. (Why, I ask you, WHY?!?!)

I did get my friend to switch to Macs though, and now she is the proud owner of a 12" PowerBook G4, plus, I just sold her my iPod so I could get a mini. But, she is the only exception to the rule! It helps though, that she and I are both in video production and need to use iMovie and occasionally FinalCut a lot, and this way we (not including the teacher) are the only people in any of our teacher's vid. production classes who get to take their work HOME with them! :)

[frankly]

So if Ford would start selling bicycles and they would be a huge hit, they would also sell more cars?

I don't think so...

Show me one example when that strategy worked out for a company in the past. Good luck!

The iPod is Windows and Mac compatible. People buy it because it is a cool item. They couldn't care less if Apple also builds computers, since in most cases they already have one.

Think about it... How many of the iPod buyers don't have a computer already, since the iPod is pretty useless without a computer? Exactly! Close to zero.

groovebuster

You are the one who doesn't get it. They also released iTunes for Windows and people who buy an iPod can see how nice Apple software is and see how nice the music store is. Yes, the people already have computers but the largest number of people buying new computers are those replacing old ones.

If people fall in love with their iPod and iTunes then you don't think at least a small percentage of them is going to check out a Mac the next time they buy a computer?

I never said that they would sell a new Mac to every person that bought an iPod but you are being naive by thinking that none of them will think about a Mac after using some Apple products.

Also, your Ford bicycle analogy falls flat. The iPod is a computing device and iTunes is Apple software.

And, I have many friends that bought Macs after they saw how nice mine were. Getting them in the door is the hardest part.

Later, Frank

[LaMerVipere]

You're not going to erase 20 years of anti-Mac sentiment with a couple years old mp3 player. :rolleyes:

[frankly]

You're not going to erase 20 years of anti-Mac sentiment with a couple years old mp3 player. :rolleyes:

You do realize that not everyone that uses a PC hates the Mac, don't you??? Perhaps in the circle of confused little people that you hang out with this isn't so but in the rest of the world people try new things all the time. Again, please pay attention to the fact that I am in no way claiming that the iPod is going to cause a revolution. However, if it causes just a handful of people to buy Macs that weren't thinking about it before that is still a handful that are new customers. If you really think that not one person will be persuaded to check out a Mac after using the iPod and iTunes then you are just kidding yourself.

Later, Frank

[LaMerVipere]

Perhaps in the circle of confused little people that you hang out with this isn't so but in the rest of the world people try new things all the time.

I take offense to that! No reason to go personal. Perhaps in your circle of confused little people, a person and their willingness to try new things is defined by their choice of computer hardware, if so, sad times for you. :rolleyes:

[frankly]

I take offense to that! No reason to go personal. Perhaps in your circle of confused little people, a person and their willingness to try new things is defined by their choice of computer hardware, if so, sad times for you. :rolleyes:

Whatever. Reread your post and look at the icon you chose. That is why I responded the way I did.

[groovebuster]

You are the one who doesn't get it.
:rolleyes: I see...

They also released iTunes for Windows and people who buy an iPod can see how nice Apple software is and see how nice the music store is. Yes, the people already have computers but the largest number of people buying new computers are those replacing old ones.
Having a strategy is one thing, if it works out is something totally different...

The iPod is an absolutely separate item. When people are using iTunes and buy music in the music store, they never get to the Apple Home Page and see other Apple products. The iPod + iTunes Music Store are a closed system. Apple sold more than 1.5 million iPods the last two quarters. Let's say half of them was to Windows users... So where are all the switchers driven to Apple by their iPods, considering that a PC gets updated every 3 years statistically? That would mean 250,000 updated PCs by iPod users in the last 6 months, or 125.000 users per quarter. Let's assume 20% (It will never be that many anyway) consider a switch to Apple, that would be 25.000 people! How amazing! The number is so small, you will not even notice it on the balance sheet... :rolleyes:

If people fall in love with their iPod and iTunes then you don't think at least a small percentage of them is going to check out a Mac the next time they buy a computer?
Again... the number of people maybe switching to Macs because of the iPod is so small, that the effect is hard to see on the balance sheet for a very long time to come. It's simple math. My cousin is an iPod user and besides huge quality problems with his iPod (he said he would never buy anything from Apple anymore in his entire life-time), he never considered a switch just because he has an iPod and he never will. Maybe 10% do, but that makes only around 12,000 people per quarter worldwide. Very impressing! ;)

I never said that they would sell a new Mac to every person that bought an iPod but you are being naive by thinking that none of them will think about a Mac after using some Apple products.
I am naive!?!? Look in the mirror buddy... :D

Also, your Ford bicycle analogy falls flat. The iPod is a computing device and iTunes is Apple software.
I am sorry for you if you don't get it... and we were talking about the iPod, not the iTunes Software that is just part of the iPod package.

And, I have many friends that bought Macs after they saw how nice mine were. Getting them in the door is the hardest part.
That's funny. I always hear people claiming that. I am a Mac user myself and I switched exactly one person in all the years: my wife. And that was a pretty hard piece of work! ;) All the other Mac users I know were already Mac lovers before or always wanted a Mac anyway but couldn't afford one.

groovebuster

[thatwendigo]

True, Im glad Apple is doing well in the music industry but powermac sales were 174,000 and that included xserve and powermac G4. Down yet again from last qtr. they are selling in the same qtys as were quicksilvers 3 years ago but the market has gotten bigger every year. I wonder how many G5 powermacs sold? funny how they blurr this. just like Imac sales where they add Emac sales. If Apple showed simply G5 sales and Imac sales im sure most would agree they are dismal. the point groovebuster makes is very valid. smaller and smaller marketshare. Yes Apple did Great with pods but with systems that sit on your desk they are selling less and less in a bigger and bigger market. Ars technica has a article about it and in it they say dont look for a G5 Imac anytime soon. Hope they are wrong. If not then it looks like a 1.5 G4 Imac in the next month or two. Yawn.

I knew you'd have something to say about this, DHM. I saw the profit figures, and the first thing to come to mind was, "Apple's making money and still turning a profit while other manufacturers aren't. What's DHM going to find to pick on?"

Apple is making money! Get this through your head, man. The CEO that you've repeatedly claimed is killing Apple and should be gotten rid of? He's taken our favorite computer company from being massively in debt to be beind debt free and beyond. In 1997, Apple was in a death spiral, plummeting out of control, in debt, overcomplicated on the product line, and holding onto an OS that desperately needed an update.

Enter Steve Jobs, the prodigal son of Apple Computers.

Seven years later, the stock is strong, we have a fully modernized and amazing operating system, computers that are competitive on every front but your pet subject (gaming), Apple is out of debt, and they're fully allied with the company that not only owns the most patents in the world, but also files for the most per year. IBM is licensing the processes that they're putting in the PowerPC 900 series, selling SOI to AMD and nVidia while fabbing for both. Those NV6800s that I'm sure you're drooling over are manufactured by IBM machinery, on SOI 300mm wafers (another IBM strength), and thus benefitting from the same technology that is a generation behind what IBM is doing for us.

The next PowerPC 9xx will be using SSOI, something that no other chip manufacturer has yet. It will be concurrently designed with the Power5, arguably the most advanced chip on the market, and will benefit from the total redesign that IBM is applying to their own materials.

Second quarters are weak in technology. Everyone knows that, and every single one of you people that are grousing and carrying on that Apple hasn't live up to their promises have forgotten something: The year isn't up until at least WWDC (if you're strict) or the end of August (if you're somewhat lenient). People are getting bent out of shape over nebulous, unaccredited stories on a website. What happened to taking what you read on the 'net with a huge grain of salt, doing a little critical thinking, and having an ounce of patience. Yes, Motorola burnt us in the past, but that doesn't mean that it's going to happen again, and this time we're not on a chip that's a jumped-up embedded processor.

Oh, and I wouldn't care if the killed the iMac line tomorrow. Yes, all-in-ones are a hallmark of Apple, but maybe the form factor is getting a little long in the tooth, especially on such heat-intensive systems. Apple is known for wowing the world with what they do, and I'm waiting to see what happens next. Three years ago, if you'd told me that Apple would basically own the digital music distribution business, I'd have laughed.

Not so funny now, is it?

And while some may seem them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do.

Think different.

[groovebuster]

Seven years later, the stock is strong, we have a fully modernized and amazing operating system, computers that are competitive on every front...[/b]
... and nobody buys them!

Good that Apple has no debts anymore and nobody thinks that Steve Jobs didn't do a great job in getting Apple out from intensive care. But Apple is not selling fruits on a local market. It's selling hight tech computers on a worldwide market and the market share is substantial in the IT market in order to survive.

With 4.6 billion US$ in the bank Apple could pay all their employees by the interest they get and stop developing any products at all...

The only reason why Apple is still drawing little profits is, that it is in a closed market for their OS/Hardware combination. They don't have any direct competitors and just take the prices they need for survival. That's a luxury no other computer manufacturer has. But it still doesn't change the problem: a shrinking market share (even with constant CPU sales) makes you insignificant on the long run.

groovebuster

P.S.: I really wonder why people get so upset just because some of their fellow Mac users are not worshipping Apple and Steve Joby all the time and are a little bit more critical about Apple and the future of this company.

[thatwendigo]

... and nobody buys them!

Riiight... So 170-something thousand people is the same as nobody?

Good that Apple has no debts anymore and nobody thinks that Steve Jobs didn't do a great job in getting Apple out from intensive care. But Apple is not selling fruits on a local market. It's selling hight tech computers on a worldwide market and the market share is substantial in the IT market in order to survive.

Kind of funny how everyone keeps harping on needing marketshare to survive, when Apple's not been a market leader since the early 80s, and yet they're still going strong, while other startups that are playing in the safer, cheaper PC world are crumbling.

The only reason why Apple is still drawing little profits is, that it is in a closed market for their OS/Hardware combination. They don't have any direct competitors and just take the prices they need for survival. That's a luxury no other computer manufacturer has. But it still doesn't change the problem: a shrinking market share (even with constant CPU sales) makes you insignificant on the long run.

Yep, not significant at all. They've only been leading everyone else around for how long, now? How many of the major software groups develop products for OS X? What important, daily things can you not do on a mac, just as easily as on a PC? For that matter, what professional tasks can you not do on a mac?

Here's a hint: The list of lacks is short to nonexistent. The list of important developers isn't.

P.S.: I really wonder why people get so upset just because some of their fellow Mac users are not worshipping Apple and Steve Joby all the time and are a little bit more critical about Apple and the future of this company.

Reasoned disagreement is one thing. Blind and selfish whining isn't, and that's all that DHM ever offers to any discussion about Apple. They don't make his dream machine, so they suck. They don't have 9800XTs, so they suck. They have economic issues other companies don't have to deal with, so they suck.

It gets old, watching someone who can't even comprehend the basics of what they're attacking. It's the same reason I grew tired of the 'Christians' around me thinking that anything they didn't like was obviously Satanic. While a prevalent human trait, it's annoying.

[groovebuster]

Riiight... So 170-something thousand people is the same as nobody?
Everybody predicted Apple to sell significantly more machines after the introduction of the G5s. Again: the market grew more than 10%, Apple sells only 5% more CPUs. And that after a few years of very bad market conditions for all computer manufacturers. You should learn how to read between the lines.

Kind of funny how everyone keeps harping on needing marketshare to survive, when Apple's not been a market leader since the early 80s, and yet they're still going strong, while other startups that are playing in the safer, cheaper PC world are crumbling.
Nobody ever said Apple has to be the market leader. Why Apple is still drawing profits even though they have a low market share I already explained.

Yep, not significant at all. They've only been leading everyone else around for how long, now? How many of the major software groups develop products for OS X? What important, daily things can you not do on a mac, just as easily as on a PC? For that matter, what professional tasks can you not do on a mac?
Tell me anything by Apple the last 4 years that was "leading everyone else around"...

There are many software titles being standard in the PC world (especially business apps) that you won't get for a Mac. And that's exactly why in a lot of cases Macs are not an option. The world is not only Photoshop and Office, it is also many other pro apps. Your argument is vaild exactly this way for Wintel boxes... What professional tasks can you not do on a Windows PC?

I don't know why you are so aggressive about it? And don't tell me that the video or music production market is cutting it. These are small niche markets where Apple is very competitive at the moment, but e.g. a company that needs visio or SAP clients on their machines couldn't care less if FCP is only available for the Mac.

Here's a hint: The list of lacks is short to nonexistent. The list of important developers isn't.
A hint for you, even though I said it already: the world isn't just Photoshop and Office.

Reasoned disagreement is one thing. Blind and selfish whining isn't, and that's all that DHM ever offers to any discussion about Apple. They don't make his dream machine, so they suck. They don't have 9800XTs, so they suck. They have economic issues other companies don't have to deal with, so they suck.
I didn't talk about DHM in particular. And even if he is kind of negative all the time, I think his comments hold some water. Because he acts and thinks like a typical consumer. These are the people that Apple wants to sell computers to. I am a Mac user since a very long time and it was always my preferred platform, so I don't need to be convinced about the advantages. But there are people who want to see a real benefit of switching to a Mac or people who switched feel left alone in the dark after they got rid of their PC. The problem is way more complex than just saying: "Apple is making profits, so what are people whining about?"

It gets old, watching someone who can't even comprehend the basics of what they're attacking. It's the same reason I grew tired of the 'Christians' around me thinking that anything they didn't like was obviously Satanic. While a prevalent human trait, it's annoying.
This part of your comment was totally unnecessary... :rolleyes:

groovebuster

[make it usable]

Apple haven't got a year for the i-pod switching strategy, they need to make it work now.

I love the story about someone going into an Apple store to buy an i-pod, but Apple need to be more aggressive.

First of all they need a cheaper i-book, that can be bundled with i-pods, and they need to target everyone who has brought an i-pod in the last year with cheap i-book deals.

Although the switiching marketing is out their, they really need to better communicate the pleasurabilty of using a Mac and not just the usability/productivity gains.

Oh yes and they need to sort out their place in the media box/server, media centre game ASAP, cos they have all the components.Don't let Microsoft get ahead here, because when convergence happens, which is kinda now, I want to be using Apple products. Don't let MS into my living room, PLEASE.

[m-dogg]

I will be one of the 'ipod based' switchers everyone is talking about in this thread. I got my windows ipod in December 2002. When am I getting a Mac? Not sure - Maybe later this year but it isn't definite. Why? Becasue my 4 year old Dell is still doing just fine and I'm not going to drop $2,000 - $3,000 just for the heck of it. That's still a lot of money to me, as I think it is to most people.

But I do like Macs and plan to get one when I upgrade (whenever that turns out to be). Would I ever have considered a Mac before owning an ipod? Absolutely not. And I think my sentiments are similar to a lot of other potential switchers.

Right now my PC works just fine to do everything I need it to do, so why bother spending all that money? For me, I plan to ditch my desktop and get a laptop to go wireless - I don't have to get a new computer. And I'm sure my current computer will still be humming along just fine when I do upgrade (becasue $2000 Dells aren't the same garbage quality their $499 PC's are...)

Basically what I'm saying is that an 'ipod based' switching campaign is a longer term process - Like maybe 5 years to see significant impact.

[thatwendigo]

Everybody predicted Apple to sell significantly more machines after the introduction of the G5s. Again: the market grew more than 10%, Apple sells only 5% more CPUs. And that after a few years of very bad market conditions for all computer manufacturers. You should learn how to read between the lines.

They did sell significantly more machines than they did with G4s. There has been growth of sales every quarter since then, and so they're still climbing. Get that through your head, groovebuster... In a quarter that is traditionally a fall-off, Apple is still selling more than they did last year. I can "read between the lines" just fine, especially when someone is trying to subtly insult me and failing at it.

Nobody ever said Apple has to be the market leader. Why Apple is still drawing profits even though they have a low market share I already explained.

No, one view of why Apple is still making a profit is explained.

Tell me anything by Apple the last 4 years that was "leading everyone else around"...

The iMac CRT, to name one. Four years ago, it was still being produced, and eightenn bajillion consumer products are still following in Ive's footsteps and trying to capitalize on the trail he laid out for industrial design. Firewire has become a standard in creative areas, even if USB 2.0 has picked up some business. However, USB 2.0 was seriously given a boost by *gasp* Apple's adoption of USB 1 in *gasp* the iMac CRT. The look and feel of Windows XP (and the name :rolleyes: ) are obviously copped from Aqua, and then fed through the Microsoft-patented 'Ugly" Photoshop filters.

Shall I go on?

]There are many software titles being standard in the PC world (especially business apps) that you won't get for a Mac. And that's exactly why in a lot of cases Macs are not an option. The world is not only Photoshop and Office, it is also many other pro apps. Your argument is vaild exactly this way for Wintel boxes... What professional tasks can you not do on a Windows PC?

Did I say that there were things you couldn't do on a PC, or did I ask you for a list of important professional software that didn't run on the mac? Your attempt to change the topic is both a distraction and an admission that I'm right, since you made no effort whatsoever to show me these programs that are so necessary.

Here's a hint: I can name three, so I know that there are some applications for which you still need a PC. However, they're extremely sepcialized and very niche-market.

I don't know why you are so aggressive about it? And don't tell me that the video or music production market is cutting it. These are small niche markets where Apple is very competitive at the moment, but e.g. a company that needs visio or SAP clients on their machines couldn't care less if FCP is only available for the Mac.

I'm so aggressive because people like you make all kinds of statements, and then provide no facts to back them up. It's conjecture this, and "it stands to reason" that, but never any meat to the argument.

It gets old.

A hint for you, even though I said it already: the world isn't just Photoshop and Office.

Be still my heart! There's more out there than Photoshop and Office?

I never knew! :rolleyes:

I didn't talk about DHM in particular. And even if he is kind of negative all the time, I think his comments hold some water. Because he acts and thinks like a typical consumer. These are the people that Apple wants to sell computers to.

No, they're obviously not. If they were the people Apple wanted to sell to, then Apple would be making cheap, useless, crap computers that sold for $500, which had inflated benchmarks and some impressive stickers and numbers all over them. What impresses the Wal-Mart crowd isn't elegance of design, but the feeling that they're buying some big, bad machine for a cheap price and putting one over on the neighbors.

DHM fits in this demographic nicely, though. I'll agree with that.

The problem is way more complex than just saying: "Apple is making profits, so what are people whining about?"

Yes, I agree. However, what DHM complains about is typically irrelevant to the mac market in general, and thus I largely dismiss his rants.

This part of your comment was totally unnecessary... :rolleyes:

This is what some of us refer to as an "explanation," groovebuster. It tells other people why something happened, and is generally considered a good idea when a strange behavior is observed. :rolleyes:

[groovebuster]

I always thought that I was a guy that was hard to get along with, but it is always refreshing to see people who are a lot worse than I am! :D

Your constant and childish efforst to offend me again and again with primary school techniques in order to make your self feel superior while running out of arguments really starts to get on my nerves and I just don't feel like discussing with you anymore, thatwendigo. Maybe that rings a bell, thatwendigo... Get that through your head, thatwendigo... Or maybe not, thatwendigo?

http://www.kleberg.org/images/smiles/icon_stupid.gif

:cool:

[thatwendigo]

I always thought that I was a guy that was hard to get along with, but it is always refreshing to see people who are a lot worse than I am! :D

Your constant and childish efforst to offend me again and again with primary school techniques in order to make your self feel superior while running out of arguments really starts to get on my nerves and I just don't feel like discussing with you anymore, thatwendigo. Maybe that rings a bell, thatwendigo... Get that through your head, thatwendigo... Or maybe not, thatwendigo?

Running out of argument? I'm not the one who has completely failed to address the points on offer. Anything you said that was worth addressing was touched on in my posts, and yet you sit there and accuse me of baiting and trolling you? Feeling a little defensive over losing the argument?

It's always people like you that drop down to short, terse, and completely irrelevant attacks when they run out of fuel. I could go on, if you like, on the topics that we're covering. You, on the other hand, have not answered and of my counterpoints.

Call names all you like, because it's pretty clear that you can't defend your position with anything approaching fact.

[eyelikeart]

before this gets out of hand & someone gets put on probation...let's can the argument...

[frankly]

CPU deliveries were up, but apple has dual processor offerings. Does a dual G5 PM (or X-serve) count as one or two? if it counts as two, this 5% increase in CPUs could still represent a decrease in machines sold.

afc

Apple doesn't sell processors. They sell computers. The number indicates the number of computers sold. Check out this report that ended the previous quarter for an example (http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/10/107357/Q10410Q.pdf).

Later, Frank

[Dont Hurt Me]

I always thought that I was a guy that was hard to get along with, but it is always refreshing to see people who are a lot worse than I am! :D

Your constant and childish efforst to offend me again and again with primary school techniques in order to make your self feel superior while running out of arguments really starts to get on my nerves and I just don't feel like discussing with you anymore, thatwendigo. Maybe that rings a bell, thatwendigo... Get that through your head, thatwendigo... Or maybe not, thatwendigo?

http://www.kleberg.org/images/smiles/icon_stupid.gif

:cool:They call them koolaiders now after the Jim Jones gang that followed the leader, but to me it reminds me of the lemmings commercial Apple did years ago but now the lemmings are the MacFanatics that cant seem to think for themselves, we get yet another year of no progress, we get sales numbers that prove Imac ..ahem Imac/Emac sales down 17%, G5 sales down also but blurred by Apple by mixing in G4 powermac sales and Xserves on top of it and the fanatics attack and attack. The truth hurts sometimes I will admit. I dont even listen to thatwendigo half the time because no matter what Apple does it is right. very cult like. Cult leaders love people that cant change or think for themself because it empowers the leaders. Dont be a lemming. Groovebuster I agree with you.

[frankly]

Maybe 10% do, but that makes only around 12,000 people per quarter worldwide. Very impressing! ;)


I am naive!?!? Look in the mirror buddy... :D


I am sorry for you if you don't get it... and we were talking about the iPod, not the iTunes Software that is just part of the iPod package.


That's funny. I always hear people claiming that. I am a Mac user myself and I switched exactly one person in all the years: my wife. And that was a pretty hard piece of work! ;) All the other Mac users I know were already Mac lovers before or always wanted a Mac anyway but couldn't afford one.

groovebuster

1) 10% of 807,000 is 80,700, not 12,000........
2) Yes, you are being naive. You think that not one person will consider the switch. I am saying that at least a few will. A few. How in the heck is that being naive???
3) I "get" your analogy that you are trying to make. I'm simply saying that it doesn't work. I know you thought it was clever but just thinking it doesn't make it so.......
4) I really don't care if you think it is funny. It is still in fact true that I have converted numerous people to the Mac. In fact, one of my friends that I converted has already purchased an iMac, an iPod, and a new 15" PowerBook, Airport, and AppleCare. Another friend has purchased, get ready, a 15" TiBook, two G4 dual 1GHz machines, a new 15" PowerBook, a G5 dual 2.0GHz with 4GB of RAM. I also have other friends an family that have purchased a single Mac and will never purchase a PC again. Finally, I have purchased an iMac, a G4, and a 12" PowerBook in the past 5 years.

Later, Frank

[frankly]

Tell me anything by Apple the last 4 years that was "leading everyone else around"...

1) Digital Music sales
2) Small hard drive based MP3 players that people actually want to pay a lot for.
3) iMovie
4) iDVD
5) Recordable DVD drives available on most models
6) 802.11a, and now 802.11g
7) Garage Band
8) Affordable powerful 1U servers
9) Integrated Bluetooth
10) iSight/iChat AV for GREAT video conferencing
11) Firewire on ALL machines
12) Expose

They led the way on all of those items. PC Makers and Software companies have followed on most but there is no questions that Apple was the leader. Apple comes up with all the greatest ideas that everyone then goes, "oh yeah, of course, we would have thought of that."

Later, Frank

[frankly]

Running out of argument? I'm not the one who has completely failed to address the points on offer. Anything you said that was worth addressing was touched on in my posts, and yet you sit there and accuse me of baiting and trolling you? Feeling a little defensive over losing the argument?

It's always people like you that drop down to short, terse, and completely irrelevant attacks when they run out of fuel. I could go on, if you like, on the topics that we're covering. You, on the other hand, have not answered and of my counterpoints.

Call names all you like, because it's pretty clear that you can't defend your position with anything approaching fact.

I agree.

[~Shard~]

They call them koolaiders now after the Jim Jones gang that followed the leader, but to me it reminds me of the lemmings commercial Apple did years ago but now the lemmings are the MacFanatics that cant seem to think for themselves, we get yet another year of no progress, we get sales numbers that prove Imac ..ahem Imac/Emac sales down 17%, G5 sales down also but blurred by Apple by mixing in G4 powermac sales and Xserves on top of it and the fanatics attack and attack. The truth hurts sometimes I will admit. I dont even listen to thatwendigo half the time because no matter what Apple does it is right. very cult like. Cult leaders love people that cant change or think for themself because it empowers the leaders. Dont be a lemming. Groovebuster I agree with you.

Let’s follow Eyelikeart’s advice, shall we? :cool:

thatwendigo and groovebuster have both been bringing up fair and objective points – I agree with statements that both of them have made. I don’t see how you can consider calling thatwendigo a MacFanatic a fair statement though – would you then be considered an “anti-MacFanatic” for constantly bringing up the low-points, weaknesses and areas of improvement for Apple?

As for calling someone’s behavior cult-like, there is no need for such insulting remarks. You only tarnish your own image and people’s opinions of you when you make such statements as opposed to addressing the topic at hand. I have seen nothing but very objective discussions going on here which, admittedly, have degraded a little – oh well, these things happen sometimes. ;) Regardless, saying that people have the attitude of “no matter what Apple does it is right” is simply inaccurate in this case – I have not inferred that opinion when reading any of these posts – once again, very objective discussions from both sides for the most part, often citing factual, non-opinionated information. (Except for the insults as of late.) ;)

I also find it amusing that you seem to post the exact same material all the time – I have read this whole “iMac coupled with eMac sales” and “iMac sales down” and “G5 sales down” probably 10 times from you in different posts – akin to a broken record! I might as well add them to your infamous “AMD is better than G5” and “FX5200 is crap” comments which I have read a million times in these forums! ;) I see lengthy, comprehensive posts by the likes of thatwendigo, jade, groovebuster and frankly, accurately addressing each others comments in great detail back and forth, yet nothing of the sort from yourself, aside from saying “I agree with you” in response to these lengthy posts. Perhaps it might be wise to become a little more involved in these discussions rather than rehashing the same points, calling people MacFanatics when they are obviously not, and outright insulting people by referring to their behavior as “cult-like” and saying they can't think for themselves.

Or, perhaps you won’t listen at all, simply call me a MacFanatic even though I have made nothing but objective, rational statements in my post, and insult me by calling me blind, or some such equivalent. :rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

1) Digital Music sales
2) Small hard drive based MP3 players that people actually want to pay a lot for.
3) iMovie
4) iDVD
5) Recordable DVD drives available on most models
6) 802.11a, and now 802.11g
7) Garage Band
8) Affordable powerful 1U servers
9) Integrated Bluetooth
10) iSight/iChat AV for GREAT video conferencing
11) Firewire on ALL machines
12) Expose

They led the way on all of those items. PC Makers and Software companies have followed on most but there is no questions that Apple was the leader. Apple comes up with all the greatest ideas that everyone then goes, "oh yeah, of course, we would have thought of that."

Later, Frank

Don't forget USB as well - I remember Macs having USB well before it became a standard on PCs. Oh, and the absence of a floppy drive too - although PCs still have them, how often do they really get used nowadays? In a year or so floppy drives will not be found on PCs either, so this is an example of something Apple did years ago that STILL hasn't been adopted (but inevitably will be) by the PC world. Might as well throw Expose on the list too - that good old F9 feature that is so simple yet so powerful - only a matter of time before Windows adopts that feature... :cool:

[frankly]

Don't forget USB as well - I remember Macs having USB well before it became a standard on PCs. Oh, and the absence of a floppy drive too - although PCs still have them, how often do they really get used nowadays? In a year or so floppy drives will not be found on PCs either, so this is an example of something Apple did years ago that STILL hasn't been adopted (but inevitably will be) by the PC world. Might as well throw Expose on the list too - that good old F9 feature that is so simple yet so powerful - only a matter of time before Windows adopts that feature... :cool:

Expose is on the list.

:)

Later, Frank

[thatwendigo]

Don't forget USB as well - I remember Macs having USB well before it became a standard on PCs.

It was already in my list, actually, quite a ways up there.

Oh, and the absence of a floppy drive too - although PCs still have them, how often do they really get used nowadays? In a year or so floppy drives will not be found on PCs either, so this is an example of something Apple did years ago that STILL hasn't been adopted (but inevitably will be) by the PC world. Might as well throw Expose on the list too - that good old F9 feature that is so simple yet so powerful - only a matter of time before Windows adopts that feature... :cool:

These are all good points, and once again, I thank you for interjecting with the voice of reason, Shard.

[thatwendigo]

Incidentally, for those of you talking about Apple being overpriced... Go here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&t=67531) and join the fun.

[rdowns]

I didn't talk about DHM in particular. And even if he is kind of negative all the time, I think his comments hold some water. Because he acts and thinks like a typical consumer. These are the people that Apple wants to sell computers to. I am a Mac user since a very long time and it was always my preferred platform, so I don't need to be convinced about the advantages. But there are people who want to see a real benefit of switching to a Mac or people who switched feel left alone in the dark after they got rid of their PC. The problem is way more complex than just saying: "Apple is making profits, so what are people whining about?"



I'll add my here, here. As a stockholder with 650 shares, I was jumping for joy over their Q2 numbers. I had expected them to be much worse. That's what hanging around here will do to you.

As a consumer, I'm pretty fed up with Apple. Forget the fact that I want and need a new computer; they just don't make what I want.

I have 3 people who repsect my opinions and are in the market for new computers. Based on my evangelizing, all are considering Macs. They are replacing Windows systems that are almost 4, 4 and 5 years old. Switching will be a considerable investment as they all need Office on top of the PC. They would all like a PC that will last 5 years and has pretty state of the art technology. I can't recommend a current Mac (G5 PMs are overkill for them) because of the lousy G4 and its Social Security collecting 167 MHz FSB. I've told them that thay should do as I am doing, wait for a G5 iMac and hope Apple doesn't release a model that comes standard with a handicapped parking permit.

[aswitcher]

Switching will be a considerable investment as they all need Office on top of the PC.


Which is why as of May (or now!) Apple should bundle Office X OEM as an option so we can buy it for what PC OEM packages sell it for, saving a good chunk of cash.



I've told them that thay should do as I am doing, wait for a G5 iMac and hope Apple doesn't release a model that comes standard with a handicapped parking permit.



My fear with the new ibooks/powerbooks next week, that damn bus...

[rdowns]

No, they're obviously not. If they were the people Apple wanted to sell to, then Apple would be making cheap, useless, crap computers that sold for $500, which had inflated benchmarks and some impressive stickers and numbers all over them. What impresses the Wal-Mart crowd isn't elegance of design, but the feeling that they're buying some big, bad machine for a cheap price and putting one over on the neighbors.

DHM fits in this demographic nicely, though. I'll agree with that.



Yes, I agree. However, what DHM complains about is typically irrelevant to the mac market in general, and thus I largely dismiss his rants.




Take this for what it's worth but I find you attitude to be smug and arrogant. The high school debating techniques are as old the the G4 architecture.

[~Shard~]

Expose is on the list.

:)

Later, Frank

Apologies - I could have sworn I didn't see it there initially. Or did you just add it to the end of the list via an edit afterwards just to play with my mind, you sneaky guy! ;) :cool:

[rdowns]

Oh, and the absence of a floppy drive too - although PCs still have them, how often do they really get used nowadays? In a year or so floppy drives will not be found on PCs either, so this is an example of something Apple did years ago that STILL hasn't been adopted (but inevitably will be) by the PC world.

My web developer (Windows guy) came to me yesterday and handed me a floppy disk. No ******, first time I've handled one in probably 3 years or more. He was giving me a small file so I can update at will an area of my companies web site for promotions or news. I asked him what I was supposed to do with it, had no idea my Dell had a floppy drive. Guess you had to be there.

[Dont Hurt Me]

I'll add my here, here. As a stockholder with 650 shares, I was jumping for joy over their Q2 numbers. I had expected them to be much worse. That's what hanging around here will do to you.

As a consumer, I'm pretty fed up with Apple. Forget the fact that I want and need a new computer; they just don't make what I want.

I have 3 people who repsect my opinions and are in the market for new computers. Based on my evangelizing, all are considering Macs. They are replacing Windows systems that are almost 4, 4 and 5 years old. Switching will be a considerable investment as they all need Office on top of the PC. They would all like a PC that will last 5 years and has pretty state of the art technology. I can't recommend a current Mac (G5 PMs are overkill for them) because of the lousy G4 and its Social Security collecting 167 MHz FSB. I've told them that thay should do as I am doing, wait for a G5 iMac and hope Apple doesn't release a model that comes standard with a handicapped parking permit.Pretty good but you know it will.

[Frohickey]

My web developer (Windows guy) came to me yesterday and handed me a floppy disk. No ******, first time I've handled one in probably 3 years or more. He was giving me a small file so I can update at will an area of my companies web site for promotions or news. I asked him what I was supposed to do with it, had no idea my Dell had a floppy drive. Guess you had to be there.

Tell your web developer to get a USB memory stick. Those are as small as keychain fobs and you can have 256MB worth on you, all the time.

They come in smaller sizes at cheaper prices too. And they are very useful.

[groovebuster]

Tell your web developer to get a USB memory stick. Those are as small as keychain fobs and you can have 256MB worth on you, all the time.

They come in smaller sizes at cheaper prices too. And they are very useful.
But maybe he doesn't need one normally. I was in the same situation before. Exchanging files in the kB range is very seldom these days. You e-mail stuff like that and larger collections of data go onto a CD-R anyway right away. But in this case the guy had probably 150kB of data and he couldn't or didn't want to e-mail it. His PC still has a floppy disk drive and like everybody (even I still have a box of 3.5" floppies somewhere that I kept for ermergency) he had some floppies still somewhere in his drawer. From his understanding most of the PCs still have floppy disk drives, so he put the stuff on a floppy disk.

A memory stick is probably overkill for this guy, since he just doesn't need it. I was evaluating if an USB memory stick would be necessary for me and I found out, that I would hardly ever use it because of the reasons described above. For large amounts of data (normally in the GB range) I have external HDs or use DVD-Rs. For backups or file transfer in the mid-range (between 50 and 700MBs) I am using CD-Rs and everything up to 50MBs goes over IP. The only reason to shell out the money would be the toy factor. But that kind of money I rather spend for something more useful.

@rdowns:
Actually I am curious why he didn't e-mail the files when they were that small?

groovebuster

[rdowns]

Tell your web developer to get a USB memory stick. Those are as small as keychain fobs and you can have 256MB worth on you, all the time.

They come in smaller sizes at cheaper prices too. And they are very useful.

Quite a few of us have them but for whatever reason, he didn't use it or email me the file. I just thought it was funny. The floppy was pink.

[rdowns]

@rdowns:
Actually I am curious why he didn't e-mail the files when they were that small?

groovebuster

Well, it was a file and a folder with a backup of the file. It allows me to upload a promotional offer or something else to a box on the home page of our site so we can do away with pop ups (which most people block anyway). I guess he was concerned that I stored them properly and understood that once I edited the file in Front Page and uploaded it through a custom module he designed in our system that it would be live on the web (operating without a net so to speak). Guess he wanted to make sure the naked pic of the boss didn't get uploaded in error. The backup file was so I had something tp upload if I screwed up.

Why he chose a floppy is beyond me.

[groovebuster]

That's funny... so he thought you were too dumb to store the file correctly and to make a backup yourself? :D Tells a lot about what PC people think about us Mac users. ;)

groovebuster

[rdowns]

That's funny... so he thought you were too dumb to store the file correctly and to make a backup yourself? :D Tells a lot about what PC people think about us Mac users. ;)

groovebuster

Did I mention that one of our programmers (one who I do not get along with and prefer not to work with, thankfully his skill set is not one needed for my group) had to come over to my office with his tail between his legs to ask me how to turn on the eMac the programming dept. has to test Mac compatability on our web sites?

[groovebuster]

Cool! :p I had incidents like that myself.

Did you savor the situation? ;)

groovebuster

[rdowns]

Cool! :p I had incidents like that myself.

Did you savor the situation? ;)

groovebuster

Milked it for everything it was worth. :D