the foreign or american vehicle issue... [Archive]

icetraxxg5

Jun 25, 2002, 07:25 AM

All my american cars (GM and Chevrolet) have had NO problems what soever. If you buy a foreign you are making someone in another country rich, While if you buy an american car you are supporting the people around you by keeping them in work (75% of the people that live by me work in the auto industry, I live in south-east michigan, NOT IN DETROIT!).

Foreign cars are way, WAY over priced:rolleyes:

Who in their right mind would buy a VW piss-on for the price it sells for, Its just not worth it.

Come on america! Where is the import tax like other countries have! I know its free enterprise but what will happen when there is no more american car companies left (years and years from now) and the foreign cars take over completely? Who will build our military vehicles, The japanese? hah! Thats a real good IDEA!

Come on people, Buy a REAL car! ;)

(the only foreign cars I like are super cars, ****** Honda, Toyota, Infinity, VW, BMW (they have wintels onboard), ect...)

irmongoose

Jun 25, 2002, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by icetraxxg5
Come on america! Where is the import tax like other countries have! I know its free enterprise but what will happen when there is no more american car companies left (years and years from now) and the foreign cars take over completely? Who will build our military vehicles, The japanese? hah! Thats a real good IDEA!

Why not!? Heh.... :D :p :D :p

irmongoose

mymemory

Jun 25, 2002, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by icetraxxg5
All my american cars (GM and Chevrolet) have had NO problems what soever. If you buy a foreign you are making someone in another country rich, While if you buy an american car you are supporting the people around you by keeping them in work (75% of the people that live by me work in the auto industry, I live in south-east michigan, NOT IN DETROIT!).

Foreign cars are way, WAY over priced:rolleyes:

Dude, that is why the globalization is just not working. If you are not going to buy foreing cars do not sell your overseas, that would be fear. And do not by Apple computer neither, those are not made in the US as far as I know. But the situation is not that.

In Venezuela and the rest of lating america you have 3 options, if you want a car that last you for ever get a Toyota, if you do not have that much money get a Chevrolet or a GM, if you have no money get a Fiat.

Out side of the US is better to get a non US made car, the trucks are fine but the regular family car is not a good deal ex. Ford Explorer. Inside the US is better to get a ford or Chevrolet just because the parts are cheaper.

You have to undertand this, in the US you can change cars very easilly, may be once a year or each two years, you have credits, you have a stable inmcome, you have GOOD roads, etc.

Out side the US you need a very well made car because you may use it for 10 or 20 years, of course you best choise is a Toyota or Mitsubishi, specially if you do not have credits, the economy is inestable and parts are expensive or not avalible.

If I were in the US I could get any car. To get a Toyota is not a good deal but for sure if you want durability that would be the choise. It is just like a Mac. A GM or a Ford is like a PC, bunch of plastic and fancy but not durable, forget about the car after 3 or 5 years. And that is because the industry there is made that way to mantain it self.

I do not think the US will quit exporting cars, there is a place for everything. For sure the best thing to do is to built better cars, but then, they wouldn't sell that many in a long term I think. It is different the inner comerce and the foreing one, outside there is more competition.

edesignuk

Jun 25, 2002, 08:09 AM

You think US prices are expensive for foreign cars?
Here in the UK we have the most expensive car prices in europe, even cars built here are still cheaper to buy on the continent :mad: It's a joke!

jelloshotsrule

Jun 25, 2002, 08:28 AM

can someone in europe order me a smart car and then send it to me?

thanks.

:D

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by icetraxxg5
All my american cars (GM and Chevrolet) have had NO problems what soever. If you buy a foreign you are making someone in another country rich, While if you buy an american car you are supporting the people around you by keeping them in work (75% of the people that live by me work in the auto industry, I live in south-east michigan, NOT IN DETROIT!).

Foreign cars are way, WAY over priced:rolleyes:

Who in their right mind would buy a VW piss-on for the price it sells for, Its just not worth it.

Come on america! Where is the import tax like other countries have! I know its free enterprise but what will happen when there is no more american car companies left (years and years from now) and the foreign cars take over completely? Who will build our military vehicles, The japanese? hah! Thats a real good IDEA!

Come on people, Buy a REAL car! ;)

(the only foreign cars I like are super cars, ****** Honda, Toyota, Infinity, VW, BMW (they have wintels onboard), ect...)

Are you ********* kidding me? Geez. GM, Ford (fix or repair daily, eh??) and Pontiac have to be the weakest examples of car making around! And you know, Honda's are mostly made in the USA. The fact of the ********* matter is that in today's market you'd be hard-pressed to find a "truly" american made car.

Or a truly "foreign" car. All have aspects and parts that are garnered from all over the world. I bet you'd be surprised to know that some components in tanks are from japanese tech companies. Ah well. Your jingoistic tone is really cloying!

You're comment about "If you buy a foreign you are making someone in another country rich, While if you buy an american car you are supporting the people around you by keeping them in work" is pretty off base as well. I have owned, since 1992 a VW beetle (1976) which I had for three years. The only thing that went wrong with that guy was an exhaust system death (hell, it was 16 years old--pretty good I say. :) ). After that I had a Saab 900 which has 115,000 miles on it when I bought it and 175,000 when i decided to trade it in. Never a problem with it. I have since leased a 1997 VW Jetta (again, no problems, ever) and now own a 2000 Jetta. Again, that car has been perfect.

My sister owns a Passat and a Jetta and they have never had a problem--except when they took it in for an oil change and stuff was screwed up by-- YEP! YOU GUESSED IT!!-- the precious american auto worker. The problem is that 99.9% of the mechanics, the auto dealerships, the repair shops, etc. are morally bankrupt and corrupt here in the glorious USA.

And the other fact is that GM, Chrysler, Ford are no better than Enron. They pull out of cities like Lordstown, OH, not realizing that 90% of the city will become a ghost town when they roll out. And for what? Higher profit margins elsewhere. If it ever comes down to your death-knell of "no american cars" it'll likely be due to an enron style implosion from the fat-cat corporate bosses in Detroit as opposed to a couple thousand people choosing a Mini Cooper or VW Jetta over a gas guzzling, getting bigger american tank (SUV)

big

Jun 25, 2002, 09:23 AM

(shameless plug) we could just build better towns....and not drive

or I'll just keep driving my F150 to and fro, it's old and sounds like an old truck, but its all American and looks like it. I love it.

easy to work on, sheap parts etc... etc...

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by big
(shameless plug) we could just build better towns....and not drive

or I'll just keep driving my F150 to and fro, it's old and sounds like an old truck, but its all American and looks like it. I love it.

easy to work on, sheap parts etc... etc...

Also, very true....But I think we should also have special licensing for SUV drivers.

Backtothemac

Jun 25, 2002, 09:27 AM

Ice, I have to disagree with you on this one my brother.

1st) Many, many foriegn cars are made here in the USA. Stop buying them, say good by to tens of thousands of American Jobs. BMW Z3, Mercedes SUV series, Hyundi, Toyota, Honda. Especially Toyota and Honda. The Camery, and Siennas are made here I know that for sure. The Accord, and other Honda's are as well.

Personally, I think that foreign cars are made better than American cars. I think that is because in the US the price war goes to the lowest bidder. Think about that. Every, and I mean every American car that I have ever owned in my 32 years has had major problems. I have had over 15 cars in my life. Yes, I have changed a lot, but every foriegn car has had no problems really. The only exception to that is my Mazda MPV mini van that the ole lady drives. Had to have a water pump at 135,000 miles. My honda has 195,000 miles, and still gets 35 mpg, and runs with no problems. Oh, it just had to have a water pump as well, and it has the original clutch. Find me an American car that can say that. My first Toyota truck had 315,000 miles on it when I sold it and it still ran fine.

Face it, foriegn companies build better cars. Especially fine cars. Yea, a Caddilac can compete with a Mercedes. BS. I used to sell Caddies, and they were overprices POS. Vettes, yea, they are awesome cars, and after 3 years they are friggin rattle traps. Lincoln. HA! That is funny. Find me an American made car that can really compete with any BMW, or Mercedes, hell, even a Volvo for that matter. How about against the Accord? Where are the cars to compete against the Porsche's, Ferrari's and such? Were are the American equivilants to the M3, M5? Where are the American Lexus 430's? There aren't any. Because American cars suck. Period.

Go buy a ford Taurus. 20k right. One month later it is worth 10k if you are lucky. Go buy a Honda Accord. 20k right. One month later it is worth 17,500k.

Nuff said.

big

Jun 25, 2002, 09:41 AM

Go buy a ford Taurus. 20k right. One month later it is worth 10k if you are lucky.

yeah that's what your buying, a ford taurus, that car stinks...so do plenty or foreign cars.

American's build good cars that fit the american lifestyle. no foreign company can match that, ie...a Crown Victoria, Cadillac or Pick up

Backtothemac

Jun 25, 2002, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by big

yeah that's what your buying, a ford taurus, that car stinks...so do plenty or foreign cars.

American's build good cars that fit the american lifestyle. no foreign company can match that, ie...a Crown Victoria, Cadillac or Pick up

Americans do build good cars. The Accord, Camery, Sienna, BMW Z3, Mercedes SUV. Those are great cars that Americans build. Now, GM, Ford, Dodge, etc. Can't design a car worth a *****! Yea, the crown vic fits that 85 years old, no teeth left in their head lifestyle. Yea, go pay 50k for a Caddy and in a month it is worth 25k. Yea, the one thing we do build right and design right is trucks. Unless of course you factor in that the wheelbases are to narrow, and the majority will roll with a slight summer breeze thrown at it.

I will take a Lexus, Infiniti, Volvo, Saab, or Jaquar over any American high end sedan. I will take a Camery, Accord, Sonnata, etc over any American sedan. You mean to tell me that you would rather have a crown vic over a BMW 3 series! Get real!

big

Jun 25, 2002, 09:56 AM

now the BMW is nice, however I could more easily afford the crown vic, that's one bad a** mother when it comes down to the wire.

(why do police use em for so long, I've seen muscle cars that couldnt touch a stock crown vic, take off the govenor of course)

as far as trucks, your on crack, I've never seen a full size truck flip (plenty of Bronco II's and SUV's though)

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Backtothemac

Americans do build good cars. The Accord, Camery, Sienna, BMW Z3, Mercedes SUV. Those are great cars that Americans build. Now, GM, Ford, Dodge, etc. Can't design a car worth a *****! Yea, the crown vic fits that 85 years old, no teeth left in their head lifestyle. Yea, go pay 50k for a Caddy and in a month it is worth 25k. Yea, the one thing we do build right and design right is trucks. Unless of course you factor in that the wheelbases are to narrow, and the majority will roll with a slight summer breeze thrown at it.

I will take a Lexus, Infiniti, Volvo, Saab, or Jaquar over any American high end sedan. I will take a Camery, Accord, Sonnata, etc over any American sedan. You mean to tell me that you would rather have a crown vic over a BMW 3 series! Get real!

Well, since this IS a Mac forum, B2TM has provided some interesting comments--and he's right on. The reason I choose a Macintosh Computer (aside from professional usage) is almost identical to why I choose a VW or a Saab or Mini-- that being that, for example, the way the door closes on a Saab is akin to the way the finder works on a Mac and so on. The ease of use, the elegance, the form AND the function-- all blow away PCs and in this case, a Ford Taurus/Focus Pontiac Grand Am/Firebird/Ect or a Chevy Camaro/Cavalier/Metro whatever

A Metro is like an eMachine.
A Taurus is like a Compaq
A Grand AM is like an HP
The Crown Vic might be a VAIO (not completely useless)

Etc Etc Etc.

But then there's the VW-- stylish, better cost of ownership, maybe not as fast as the crown vic but it works-- the console is designed well, the controls are where they should be, the little details have been sweated over and over.

Remind you of, say an Titanium lap top? ;) And then there's the Mini-- remind you of an iBook???

And the Jaguar... well, does that remind you of OS X.2 (or whatever they call it.)

:) :) :)

Elegance. Class. Style. Functionality. Performance. All VERY overlapping features of a Mac and a foreign car.

Backtothemac

Jun 25, 2002, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by big
now the BMW is nice, however I could more easily afford the crown vic, that's one bad a** mother when it comes down to the wire.

(why do police use em for so long, I've seen muscle cars that couldnt touch a stock crown vic, take off the govenor of course)

as far as trucks, your on crack, I've never seen a full size truck flip (plenty of Bronco II's and SUV's though)

K. First off yes, the SUVs will flip like a 13 year old girl for the backstreet boys. Sorry, I wasn't talking about the trucks, although head down to your local junk yard, you will see plenty of fullsize trucks that have flipped. Now dude, sorry, but you are the one on crack.

Yea, 0-60 in 8.8 seconds with a top speed of 118 MPH for the crown vic police edition. They use them because they are cheap and durable. Damn near every muscle car ever made can take that. Hell, my 83 RX-7 can take it. Sorry the crown vic may be a lot of things (bloated, heavy, gas guzzler, ugly, slow) But it ain't fast in any stretch of the word.

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 10:14 AM

[fair warning] I have several cases and kegs of 'Whoop-Ass' stocked up and ready for deployment. [/fair warning]

I am a Ford man, always been, probably always will be. Every Ford that either I, or my family has owned, has lasted over 10-15 years. In 1999 I started to lease a new Ranger, with the lease ending early April of this year (15k miles per year allotment). I turned it in and purchased a 2002 Ranger XLT Supercab 4-door 4x4 off road package *inhale* black mother-******* of a truck... :D With the 4 liter V6 (207HP) it moves like a race car. The 16" wheels make it a little higher off the ground then my old one (that had 15" wheels) but that is a GOOD thing (especially up in New England). I am very happy with both the interior and exterior of the truck, the way it handles and rides. The only things I have done to it are add a bug deflector on the hood, vent shades on the door windows, some bed rails/protectors, bed matt, and bed extender (adds 18" to the usable bed area). When I go for my first service (at ~3k miles), I will have some more diamond plate added to the bed (the rail covers are diamond plate now). The only other thing I can think of would be a trailer hitch at some point (IF I decide to go on a trip and want to bring the Harley with me).

My other vehicle is a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. THAT is a svelte vehicle. Ask anyone that has been on one, and they will tell you (unless they are brain damaged/brain dead that is). :p I will be customizing that for the next several years (to make it unique) but that is a labor of love. :D :p Owning a Harley is more then just something to ride, it's also a life style.

I will only purchase vehicles made by American companies. Harley's ARE made here, NOT over seas or someplace with cheap assed labor. MY Ford truck WAS made here in the US (manufacture location is on the door sticker :p). While Ford may get parts from other companies (and other countries) I know that at least mine was built by Americans. As for the Harley, the only thing that I can think of that might be made outside the US are the carb.'s. That is, until I change them, or install that hypercharger I have been looking at... :D

BTW, Both IBM and Apple are US based companies... IBM being the oldest computer company in existance, Apple being the best. :D

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
But then there's the VW-- stylish, better cost of ownership, maybe not as fast as the crown vic but it works-- the console is designed well, the controls are where they should be, the little details have been sweated over and over.

Remind you of, say an Titanium lap top? ;) And then there's the Mini-- remind you of an iBook???

And the Jaguar... well, does that remind you of OS X.2 (or whatever they call it.)

You couldn't GIVE me ANY vw vehicle, period, end of story...

Also, Jaguar is now a division of Ford... :p :D

big

Jun 25, 2002, 10:26 AM

where do you get that info?

all right then, Chevy makes a car that looks like the Crown Vic, (Can't remember its name) but it screams.....I'll look for it here in a little bit

your right about the pick ups, I've seen one or two at the dump flipped, but if you used a car the same way you did a pick up, you'd see more of those kinds of accidents. it just comes from sitting higher, usage, etc...

what about the thunderbird, that's one sweet car...not around long enough to know how it holds together though

chrysler's muscle cars? (Pt Cruiser is a joke)

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by AlphaTech

You couldn't GIVE me ANY vw vehicle, period, end of story...

Also, Jaguar is now a division of Ford... :p :D

Right. You couldn't give me a jaguar (talk about a company going down hill-- they tanked since getting bought by ford. horrid stories about the cars and the new ones look like rehashed taurus') but I couldn't resist the jaguar/jaguar line.

You also couldn't give me a ford.

Difference of opinion. Just as much as i'd rather have an Indian bike as opposed to a harley. (don't wanna get flamed here, just expressing an opinion)

that said, have you ever driven a new VW? The consoles just make SO MUCH sense. The radio is in a place where you can control it without looking away, the shifter is the perfect size, the clutches feel amazing (can you get a manual on a ford???), the trucks are spacious, they come with a full size spare, etc etc etc.

But yea, opinions are opinions. I'd buy a ford truck if i had a use for one. Aside from that, i'd be caught dead ina ford and that's about it.

sparkleytone

Jun 25, 2002, 10:38 AM

foreign cars, US trucks.

mischief

Jun 25, 2002, 10:38 AM

Go to Ford, GM or Chrysler's web pages and look around at the various brands:

GM owns:

Buick, Cadillac, Chevy, EV1, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Oldsmobile, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhaul, Fiat, Subaru, Isuzu, Suzuki. As well as owning a large block of stock in Toyota, who makes Lexus.

Ford owns:

Volvo, Mazda, Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Astin Martin, Land Rover.

So who's screwing who here?:p :D :rolleyes:

Do a little research before being so pompous. Oh yeah: The big a** Diesel in the large size GM trucks is made by Isuzu with an Allison tranny.

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by mischief
Go to Ford, GM or Chrysler's web pages and look around at the various brands:

GM owns:

Buick, Cadillac, Chevy, EV1, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Oldsmobile, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhaul, Fiat, Subaru, Isuzu, Suzuki. As well as owning a large block of stock in Toyota, who makes Lexus.

Ford owns:

Volvo, Mazda, Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Astin Martin, Land Rover.

So who's screwing who here?:p :D :rolleyes:

Do a little research before being so pompous. Oh yeah: The big a** Diesel in the large size GM trucks is made by Isuzu with an Allison tranny.

Which is why, ideally, I'd buy a VW, an Alfa Romeo (i know, I know... but I AM italian!) or a BMW.

It's like, if we only had VW and say, GM, it'd be apple vs. Microsoft. Look at what ford has done to Jaguar and Volvo. Volvo is quickly losing its style and jags look like bloated uglier taurus' these days.

Anyway, I think my next car is gonna be another VW. Or an Audi or Porsche. :)
The germans REALLY know how it is done.

edesignuk

Jun 25, 2002, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
...and jags look like bloated uglier taurus' these days.
R u 4 real? What about the XK8 and XKR, u don't like?

I love Aston Martin, they are the dogs boll**ks!
That new Vanquish (http://www.supercars.net/Pic?s=1&id=77&i=95&p=2000_aston_martin_vanquish-2.jpg&y=2000&m=Aston%20Martin&o=V12%20Vanquish) is one mean machine, not to mention 007's new motor...I want one! :D

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by verbose101

R u 4 real? What about the XK8 and XKR, u don't like?

I love Aston Martin, they are the dogs boll**ks!
That new Vanquish (http://www.supercars.net/Pic?s=1&id=77&i=95&p=2000_aston_martin_vanquish-2.jpg&y=2000&m=Aston%20Martin&o=V12%20Vanquish) is one mean machine, not to mention 007's new motor...I want one! :D

The vanquish has some great style to it. Plus, I am a james bond spy nut.

But the XK8 looks like a bloated taurus. Really. It does. The XJ sedans are the only ones that really capture the jaguar style IMHO.

Give me an Alfa 166 any day. We So need to get them imported in the US again. :) :) :) :)

Backtothemac

Jun 25, 2002, 11:22 AM

Big, the chevy you speak of is the Impalla. 0-60 times in the 8's. Go to car and driver, road and track, or motortrend. They are pigs. Since when is the PT cruiser a muscle car? It is a neon with a different body on it. When I say muscle car I am talking about a 78 Chevy Nova, 69 Chevelle, 68 Camero, 66 Mustang, 71 Mach 1. Hell, even the new Mustang GT's have 0-60 times in the 5.9 range.

Now look at the RX-7 the last year it was made 0-60 in 4.9, look at the Astin Martins 0-60. Look at the NSX, Porsche 911 Turbo, hell even the vette. Point is, back in the 70's American cars were the shiznit. 80's they went to hell, and have not gotten better in the 90's. The Mustang, Camero, Trans Am, and Vette have been staples, but they fall apart around 100,000 miles. Can't say the same for others out there. American sedans suck. Bigtime!

Alpha, you are right about Ford. By far the best American automobile maker there is.

And for Trucks, yea, we make them better than anyone, although the Toyota will last longer. Far longer than any American made truck.

big

Jun 25, 2002, 11:26 AM

PT cruiser a muscle car? of course not.... their other new car....that looks all low riding and everything, with the big fat wheels.

And for Trucks, yea, we make them better than anyone, although the Toyota will last longer. Far longer than any American made truck.

ummm, don't they all come with 4 cyl. engineens? most of em. why?

and what about girls? what do girls like?

edesignuk

Jun 25, 2002, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Backtothemac

And for Trucks, yea, we make them better than anyone, although the Toyota will last longer. Far longer than any American made truck.
I gotta say, American trucks RULE! Make our things look like cheap, crappy, small family run-arounds. :(
I'd love a BIG American truck, I might have a little trouble parking though :p

...allthough...Land Rover (http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/default.htm) are quality 4 x 4's without doubt.

Backtothemac

Jun 25, 2002, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by big
PT cruiser a muscle car? of course not.... their other new car....that looks all low riding and everything, with the big fat wheels.

And for Trucks, yea, we make them better than anyone, although the Toyota will last longer. Far longer than any American made truck.

ummm, don't they all come with 4 cyl. engineens? most of em. why?

and what about girls? what do girls like?

The Prowler? It is a pig as well. Not a muscle car. The term muscle car died in the early 80's during the gas crunch. Seriously, there hasn't been a true muscle car made in the US for a long time. The Mustang, Camaro/TA, vette and now the Viper are the closest things out there to one.

Base modle toyota trucks come with 4 cyl. Most are v-6's and the big trucks have v-8s in them.

Girls? I like the ones like the one I married.

Backtothemac

Jun 25, 2002, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by verbose101

I gotta say, American trucks RULE! Make our things look like cheap, crappy, small family run-arounds. :(
I'd love a BIG American truck, I might have a little trouble parking though :p

...allthough...Land Rover (http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/default.htm) are quality 4 x 4's without doubt.

The reason that I think that Toyota's last longer is because people don't use them as real trucks. Ford's are real trucks. Give me an F-350 uber-cab or give me death!

mischief

Jun 25, 2002, 11:39 AM

In a lot of the US gas prices are artificially low. Here in California they're taxed back up to around $2.00 a gallon. In Canada (BC anyway) they pay for a Quart (liter) what we pay per gallon!! Once you compensate for the difference in currency that's still 3 times what we pay here in California where we have the most expensive gas in the US.

When a lot of the US is paying disproportionately low gas prices compared to the rest of the world even where it's most expensive is it any wonder SUV's and F-250 size trucks are so popular?

Soccer moms'll tell you it's because they feel safer in truck-chassis vehicles because they can see more of what's around them from ten feet in the air.

This is particularly ironic considering how flip-prone SUV's are. Go look up the fatality insurance statistics for US versus other car manufacturers, SUV's versus cars, etc. It's quite telling.

From all of the above I chose a Celica for my next purchase as my commute is about seventy miles round trip through one of the most tretcherous stretches of highway in the US paying about $2.00/Gallon for gas out of a $10.00/Hr. paycheck that also pays rent etc.

I simply can't afford a muscle car's gas appetite, much as I'd like a Z28 SE Camarro.;)

Ifeelbloated

Jun 25, 2002, 11:46 AM

I want a Subaru WRX sportwagon.

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
Difference of opinion. Just as much as i'd rather have an Indian bike as opposed to a harley. (don't wanna get flamed here, just expressing an opinion)

that said, have you ever driven a new VW? The consoles just make SO MUCH sense. The radio is in a place where you can control it without looking away, the shifter is the perfect size, the clutches feel amazing (can you get a manual on a ford???), the trucks are spacious, they come with a full size spare, etc etc etc.

Lets see... I have a 6' long trunk with the truck :p :D... Full sized (16") spare slung under the bed (comepletely out of the way until needed). The console on my Ranger is set up just right for me, with the controls where I can easily reach them (maybe because I am 6' tall :p). I went with an automatic (5 speed) becuase I had a time factor to fight. IF I had the time, I could have gotten a manual trans. My mother has a manual in her 97 Contour (that she loves) with a V6 under the hood (24 valve, DOHC, yadda yadda yadda). It has more then enought power for her (this is the same woman that used to race vettes with the 67 GTO and beat them :D).

BTW, for motorcycles, the ONLY kind I will EVER own (from here until the day I get planted) is a Harley. You can keep all the rest, since I have gone to the best.. :p :D

eyelikeart

Jun 25, 2002, 11:53 AM

I grew up in a Toyota family...mainly because of my dad. He is a self-employed advertising agency, and his biggest client has always been a local Toyota dealership. I cannot remember not owning a toyota.

I've had a few cars up to this point, and all of them have been Toyotas. I know there is a lot of discussion back & forth about the reliability of domestic autos vs. foreign, and to be honest I've always favored foreign.

In the past, domestic autos had bad reputations when it came to reliability & quality. I do believe that these issues have been worked on considerably, however I am still partial to foreign vehicles.

Resale values have always seemed to be higher with foreign cars. Something to consider in this is that many foreign cars are engineered elsewhere but actually manufactured here (my Matrix was built in Canada, for example). I think this shows the attempt to bridge the gap so to speak when it comes to American jobs & the auto industry.

One thing I will comment on also, is my distaste for big "muscle cars." I've always felt that Mustangs, Camaros & sometimes Corvettes are purely "cock" cars. When I see guys driving around in these things I cannot help but to feel that they are honestly trying to make up for other areas in which they are lacking. SUV's can also fall into this category sometimes. But the problem overall with these behemoths more lies in the amount of fuel they consume. Having huge V8's that get an average of 12 miles per gallon in the city just doesn't seem like something this world needs when we're faced with the reality of our fuel sources being drained dry one day.

This is another reason why I favor foreign vehicles, they have always had the tendency to be much more "conscious" of our resources by utilizing much smaller motors.

I love my Matrix very much...it's sporty, has utility ability for me (my mountain bike & other goodies fit quite easily in it :D), gets great gas mileage & is made by one of the top selling auto manufacturers in the world.

ok...I don't think I got all of my thoughts down here, but this is getting riduculously long now... ;)

edesignuk

Jun 25, 2002, 11:55 AM

Fuel prices in the UK are an outrage, keeping a big/bigger engine (2ltr+) gets very expensive.
Even the 4 x 4's we have here with 4-5ltr engines cost a small fortune to run.

So...in all...I like my Mini Cooper, 1.6ltr, nippy, stylish and good milage, what could ber better! ;)

jefhatfield

Jun 25, 2002, 11:59 AM

i have owned a datsun 610...1980-1990
nissan maxima 1990-1997
volvo dl sw 1997-present

i have always wanted to own one american car...a vintage ford mustang

what a classic car with such a universal appeal...i can't think of anything from the united states which is as classic as an old mustang

i also like vintage airplanes and ironically, the longest lasting vintage airplane, still used in vintage races, is called a p-51 mustang

i actually want both mustangs though one costs a little more than the other...he he

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by mischief
In a lot of the US gas prices are artificially low. Here in California they're taxed back up to around $2.00 a gallon. In Canada (BC anyway) they pay for a Quart (liter) what we pay per gallon!! Once you compensate for the difference in currency that's still 3 times what we pay here in California where we have the most expensive gas in the US.

I just paid (yesterday) $1.599/gal for 94 octane fuel (Sunoco). Either last year, or the year before (I forget which) gas prices were higher then that. At least up in MA, but I don't think they went over the $2/gal mark... Makes me glad that I don't live up in Canada or out in CA... :p :D

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
I grew up in a Toyota family...mainly because of my dad. He is a self-employed advertising agency, and his biggest client has always been a local Toyota dealership. I cannot remember not owning a toyota.

I've had a few cars up to this point, and all of them have been Toyotas. I know there is a lot of discussion back & forth about the reliability of domestic autos vs. foreign, and to be honest I've always favored foreign.

In the past, domestic autos had bad reputations when it came to reliability & quality. I do believe that these issues have been worked on considerably, however I am still partial to foreign vehicles.

Resale values have always seemed to be higher with foreign cars. Something to consider in this is that many foreign cars are engineered elsewhere but actually manufactured here (my Matrix was built in Canada, for example). I think this shows the attempt to bridge the gap so to speak when it comes to American jobs & the auto industry.

One thing I will comment on also, is my distaste for big "muscle cars." I've always felt that Mustangs, Camaros & sometimes Corvettes are purely "cock" cars. When I see guys driving around in these things I cannot help but to feel that they are honestly trying to make up for other areas in which they are lacking. SUV's can also fall into this category sometimes. But the problem overall with these behemoths more lies in the amount of fuel they consume. Having huge V8's that get an average of 12 miles per gallon in the city just doesn't seem like something this world needs when we're faced with the reality of our fuel sources being drained dry one day.

This is another reason why I favor foreign vehicles, they have always had the tendency to be much more "conscious" of our resources by utilizing much smaller motors.

I love my Matrix very much...it's sporty, has utility ability for me (my mountain bike & other goodies fit quite easily in it :D), gets great gas mileage & is made by one of the top selling auto manufacturers in the world.

ok...I don't think I got all of my thoughts down here, but this is getting riduculously long now... ;)

TOTALLY hear you on the muscle car thing. I have always been a fan of gracefulness over force, you know?? Graceful cars, graceful computers, graceful women. :)

It's like, my jetta might not be the fastest car, but i can outmanuever a mustang cobra since I learned how to drive my jetta properly. :)

it's like when I played hockey and would get into skating matches with the figure skaters-- they were SO SLIPPERY-- you couldn't catch them or bump them, they were WAY TO QUICK and knew how to skate SO MUCH MORE economically than a hockey player who is used to 30 second shifts. :)

eyelikeart

Jun 25, 2002, 12:09 PM

I'm paying an average of $1.50 per gallon for 93 octane here (Shell usually). It's cheaper here than many other cities, but also take into consideration how pathetic our economy is as opposed to the rest of the country.

Last year when I was in San Francisco, I nearly freaked when I saw premium gas prices of $2.12! :eek:

Then I realized quickly just how much different it is there. Everything is more expensive, hence people also make a ton more there than here...;)

eyelikeart

Jun 25, 2002, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
TOTALLY hear you on the muscle car thing. I have always been a fan of gracefulness over force, you know?? Graceful cars, graceful computers, graceful women. :)

he he he... :D

To me, there's something to be said for what's truly sensible. Sure I got my Matrix because of it's looks & what came with it, but overall it's a very sensible car for someone like me. My car tops out at 135, which I'm sure I'll never see as long as I own it. It just doesn't make any sense to me to have a car with a huge engine that has tons of horsepower so I can drive to & from work each day...

jefhatfield

Jun 25, 2002, 12:18 PM

even if gas goes up to three dollars a gallon, it will not stop the decked out accords, raised trucks, and restored muscle cars from blowing an entire tank in a night of showing off and cruising chicks

a good seat at a giants came costs more than a full tank of gas...there is something fun about cruising and driving to nowhere in particular

if i had a motorcycle, i wouldn't care is gas was five dollars a gallon...my volvo doesn't even get 20mph on the highway and i just realize that gas costs, rising all the time, is just a fact of life

gas is still relatively cheap compared to what most of us make and pay for things like clothes and food

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 12:28 PM

Depending on the weather, I usually don't need to fill up the truck more then once every other week. With the motorcycle, I can go a good amount without filling up (depending on where I am riding it). I have yet to spend more than $7 to fill the motorcycle, but have come close to $30 for the truck. The motorcycle only holds 5 gallons where the truck holds almost 20.

On the highway, I get about 50mpg on the motorcycle, with about 40 around town (depending on how well traffic is moving). There is a lot to be said for cruising on the Harley, especially when you stop and get hotties coming over to check it out. :D They seem to flock to Harley's and move away from the Japanese bikes up here... What can I say, the women up here have taste. :D :D

coolocity

Jun 25, 2002, 12:33 PM

I'm in love with my 2000 VW Jetta. The other day this old rusted over ford pickup pulled up and said "Nice car, ya Nazi." Some people will just never understand! The thing has almost 40,000 miles on it already, and I've never had a problem with it. VW or bust!

Durandal7

Jun 25, 2002, 12:37 PM

King Cobra

Jun 25, 2002, 12:40 PM

Alpha, I see you are on a smiley rampage! :D:cool:

I kept a mostly steady track record of gas prices in 2001 and the cheapest I could find in the most expensive I could find in the whole town was $1.939 per gallon! The highest I saw was on the internet was I think the Big Apple (before September). It hit $2.329 :eek: And around the very last months of the year (or maybe it was this year) I saw in person gas as low as 97.9 cents per gallon. And in our area gas prices seem to be on the rise.

Our cars don't get too much MPG, especially considering all the f!!ked up traffic right in the f!!king center of town. There is construction going on that is going to jack up the level of traffic (I haven't seen anything like it in the state) until September.

Luckily, though, I'll be in Maine for the most of summer! :cool:

Moxiemike

Jun 25, 2002, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by coolocity
I'm in love with my 2000 VW Jetta. The other day this old rusted over ford pickup pulled up and said "Nice car, ya Nazi." Some people will just never understand! The thing has almost 40,000 miles on it already, and I've never had a problem with it. VW or bust!

Not quite so good but I was driving one day in my 2000 Jetta and listening to some punk rock. Some 18 year old new punks called me a puppie... a punk yuppie. hilariious

King Cobra

Jun 25, 2002, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by asurace
Sounds like a senile redneck to me.

If you see a new car and refer to the driver as a N!!! while you are driving a pickup... :D

BTW, asurance, well done on the avatar. Is this the one you were talking about before your computer became j!!ked and didn't work?

D0ct0rteeth

Jun 25, 2002, 12:59 PM

I got the CTS because i just love the car... RWD.. inline V6... handles like a BMW 3 series.. with the same level of quality and finish... but completely american.

I am a die hard GM guy, not as much by choice but due to having a GM dealer in the family. I more than anyone understand that their are some bad/ugly GM cars but Cadillac is turning around with their new/upcoming line up... and when it comes to buick/chevy/saturn/olds/pontiac... there isn't a single car i would buy among them.

I drove chevrolet ever sense I had my licence... but I just couldn't bring myself to buy anything but the CTS... as most american cars are just inferior in quality to their german competitors. Trucks are a different story... but I am not a truck guy.

Good Times.

C-

big

Jun 25, 2002, 01:10 PM

nice AlphaTech-I've got an 8' bed that never has to be made, I'm paying 1.29 here in Alabama. makes my truck affordable (w/two tanks)

I'd love Ford's 2003 Hybrid Escape...its suppose to get 45 mpg in the city. though I figure in 5 years I'll move closer to the office and drive only to the store or visit friends & walk or bike to work

Backtothemac

Jun 25, 2002, 01:56 PM

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by big
nice AlphaTech-I've got an 8' bed that never has to be made, I'm paying 1.29 here in Alabama. makes my truck affordable (w/two tanks)

I'd love Ford's 2003 Hybrid Escape...its suppose to get 45 mpg in the city. though I figure in 5 years I'll move closer to the office and drive only to the store or visit friends & walk or bike to work

With the bed extender in place, I have a 7-1/2 foot bed... :D I can put up to 2500 pounds in the bed, and pull almost 6000 pounds on a hitch. Not bad for a 'light' truck. :D Plus, with the smaller size, it's easy to handle/maneuver just about anywhere (including into Boston if I need to). Granted, it can't move like the Harley can (for getting out of things way), but it still does very, very well. The 'power on demand' that the 4 liter V6 gives is sweet. I would never go with anything smaller for an engine, especially in a truck. Just like, I wouldn't go smaller then the 88ci in the Harley for a motorcycle. :D

mischief

Jun 25, 2002, 02:35 PM

Think of the Celica as a Harley with Airbags and 4 feet. If Gas was cheaper or the pay was about 5 times what it is I'd do a Camaro in a heartbeat.;)

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 03:15 PM

ive got a celica. no problems with it whatsoever. i plan on going over 300,000 without an engine rebuild. I dont give a flying flip what anyone says... Toyotas are some of the most realiable cars on the planet. I wish I could own a supra though. They were discountinued do to emission standards. I strongly believe they will make them again but they are going to regulate te emissions in order to get them out.

Its my ride, you ride your ride and leave me the hell alone.

eyelikeart

Jun 25, 2002, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Moxiemike

Not quite so good but I was driving one day in my 2000 Jetta and listening to some punk rock. Some 18 year old new punks called me a puppie... a punk yuppie. hilariious

damn...that's weak...

they actually called u that?! :rolleyes:

big

Jun 25, 2002, 03:28 PM

Hey big, did not notice that you are in Huntsville. I am in Tuscaloosa.
yeah, I've made refernce to it before, in the forum where Macrumor people were trying to foigure out where to hold our own convention. My suggestion was Birmingham!:)

I agree, about your truck engine, its a nice one, like I said earlier, I have a 302 HP V8, I bet its can't jump the gun as your pick up can (mine is a bit larger and I bet it can haul more) I envy your Harley ride though!

eyelikeart

Jun 25, 2002, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by krossfyter
ive got a celica. no problems with it whatsoever. i plan on going over 300,000 without an engine rebuild.

I know I've already told u this I'm sure...but I had an '86 Celica GTS for my first car...

ran that thing into the ground...didn't go 300,000 miles on it...but got a lot out of it...

got to the point where my mechanic advised trashing the car instead of replacing parts...

I did keep it up physically...looked great the day I got rid of it...just ran like *****...;)

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by eyelikeart

I know I've already told u this I'm sure...but I had an '86 Celica GTS for my first car...

ran that thing into the ground...didn't go 300,000 miles on it...but got a lot out of it...

got to the point where my mechanic advised trashing the car instead of replacing parts...

I did keep it up physically...looked great the day I got rid of it...just ran like *****...;)

saweet man. i have the 5th gen model. i think yours was like the 1st gen. i have the rare convertible celica.... not that rare...but much werent made. i know of quite of few people driving thier 5th gens and 4th gens over 300,000 and some nearing 400,000.

trippy crap man.

blakespot

Jun 25, 2002, 03:42 PM

Well, I just purchased a new car this past Saturday.

I have owned three vehicles so far. A '66 Mustang which served me very well until it was totalled in an accident. I (attempted to) replace it with a used '86 Mustang which was one of the biggest examples of shoddy workmanship that I can imagine. Turned me totally against Ford. I would not buy another Ford. (Friends' stories bolster my opinion here.)

I replaced that with a almost-new '95 Plymouth Neon. That was a great car. Lots of power, speed, excellent handling, etc. No problems for 5 years. Then the problems started during the last two years of its life costing about $3K during that time, and then finally what prompted me to let it go was a $3k repair bill on top of that to get it working, here recently. That was it. 7 years old, time to let it go.

I work for the AFL-CIO, but sadly I purchased a non-union vehicle. I feel bad about this, but selfishly had to go with what I consider the best deal on a low-ish end sport sedan.

The 2002 Subaru Impreza RS 2.5. The best standard package around:
- A/C
- ABS
- power windows
- 4-wheel disc breaks
- AWD (all wheel drive)
- 2.5L 165hp flat-4 "boxer" engine
- leather wheel and shift cover

includes added options:
- fog lamps
- keyless entry
- arm rest extension
- carbon fiber interior dash kit

$19,700 total.

I love it. Have a look at it:

http://www.blakespot.com/images/subaru/b_impreza1.jpg
http://www.blakespot.com/images/subaru/b_impreza2.jpg
http://www.blakespot.com/images/subaru/b_impreza3.jpg

blakespot

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 03:45 PM

thats a rockin ride blakespot... congrats man.

menoinjun

Jun 25, 2002, 03:54 PM

That's a hell of a car, but now the WRX came out...I would go for that instead. Not saying that you should have...that's just what I would have done. As far as 2.5rs go, the older body style is the one that I really love. And why not rally blue??

-Pete

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 04:01 PM

hey thanks for shafting me!

:D

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by mischief
Think of the Celica as a Harley with Airbags and 4 feet.

THAT's just SICK!!! There is NO WAY I would EVER think of a Harley and a Toy...ota together... :p :p :p :eek:

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 04:12 PM

of course not. thank God!

praise be man.

mischief

Jun 25, 2002, 06:03 PM

www.ferrari.com

www.maserati.com

www.astonmartin.com

www.lamborgini.com

:D :p :eek: :cool:

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 06:06 PM

which car has the most hp? anyone know?

i know the corvette callaway has the top speed record.

but thats top speed.

King Cobra

Jun 25, 2002, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by krossfyter
i know the corvette callaway has the top speed record.

Really? What speed did it reach?

I know the F60 reached 214mph or something like that.

The top cars that I know of are the F60 and the Maclaren. The F60 has around 600 horses and the MAClaren has around 620 horses or so...I think.

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by krossfyter
i know the corvette callaway has the top speed record.

In which class??? There is more then one, with a land vehicle (car I am fairly certain) that has either come damn close to, or has broken the sound barrier (on land).

mischief

Jun 25, 2002, 06:47 PM

A list of the fastest street Legal cars ever. The Mclaren's out of production but the 1.8 million dollar Mercedes looks nice.

http://formen.ign.com/news/10648.html

:D

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 07:16 PM

heres list of the top speed cars... street cars that is... all stock i believe....

1. 409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette

2.406 kph / 252.3 mph 2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron

3. 403 kph / 250.4 mph 2001 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Concept

4.402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans

5. 402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1992 Vector WX3 Concept

6.400 kph / 248.5 mph 2001 Lotec Sirius Concept

7. 390 kph / 242.3 mph 2000 Koenigsegg CC

8.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8SNEW

9. 386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 1997 McLaren F1

10.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2000 TVR Cerbera Speed 12

11. 385 kph / 239.2 mph 2000 Lamborghini Diablo Coatl

12.380 kph / 236.1 mph 1995 Jimenez Novia Concept

13. 380 kph / 236.1 mph 1937 Mercedes-Benz W25 Avus Streamline

14.379.8 kph / 236.0 mph 1998 Ferrari F50 GT

15. 378.2 kph / 235.0 mph 2000 Dodge Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT

16.378.2 kph / 235.0 mph 1995 Ford GT90 Concept

17. 378.2 kph / 235.0 mph 1991 Koenig C62

18.374 kph / 232.4 mph 1991 Lotec C1000

19. 371.8 kph / 231.0 mph 1999 Ferrari Koenig F50

20.370.1 kph / 230.0 mph 2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept

21. 370.0 kph / 229.9 mph 1987 Ferrari GTO Evoluzione

22.370.0 kph / 229.9 mph 1985 Ferrari Koenig Competition Evolution

23. 368 kph / 228.7 mph 1994 Jaguar XJ220 S TWR

24.365 kph / 226.8 mph 2001 B.Engineering Edonis

25. 363.7 kph / 226.0 mph 2000 Chevrolet Lingenfelter 650 Corvette

26.362.1 kph / 225.0 mph 1995 McLaren F1 LM

27. 357.3 kph / 222.0 mph 1996 Lamborghini Diablo VTTT

28.355 kph / 220.6 mph 1997 Porsche Gemballa 911 Extremo

29. 354.1 kph / 220.0 mph 1967 Ford GT40 Mk4

30.354.1 kph / 220.0 mph 1998 Koenigsegg CC Concept

31. 354.1 kph / 220.0 mph 2000 Mercedes-Benz Renntech CLK GTX

32.351 kph / 218.1 mph 1991 Lotec Colani Testa D'Oro

33. 350.8 kph / 218.0 mph 1991 Vector W8

34.350 kph / 217.5 mph 2000 Audi Rosemeyer Concept

35. 350 kph / 217.5 mph 1999 Bentley Hunaudieres Concept

36.350 kph / 217.5 mph 1994 Bugatti Rinspeed EB110 Cyan Concept

37. 350 kph / 217.5 mph 2001 Ferrari Koenig 550 Maranello

38.350 kph / 217.5 mph 2001 Ferrari Koenig 550 Twin Turbo

39. 350 kph / 217.5 mph 2001 Koenig Ferrari 550 Maranello

40.350 kph / 217.5 mph 1998 Lamborghini Diablo Evolution GTR

41. 350 kph / 217.5 mph 1982 Porsche 956 Group C

42.350 kph / 217.5 mph 1990 Porsche Cartronic 911 Revanche

43. 350 kph / 217.5 mph 2001 Veritas RS3 Concept

44.350 kph / 217.5 mph 1992 Yamaha OX99-11ph / 217.0 mph 1992 Bugatti EB110 SS

46.349.2 kph / 217.0 mph 1997 Porsche Ruf CTR-2

47. 349.2 kph / 217.0 mph 2001 Volkswagen W12 Coupe Concept

48.348 kph / 216.2 mph 1999 Leblanc Caroline

49. 348.0 kph / 216.2 mph 1989 Peugeot Oxia Concept

50.346.0 kph / 215.0 mph 2001 MG Lola EX257 Lemans

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 07:26 PM

0-60 car list... (quickest, accelration...etc. etc.)

1. 2.6 seconds1994 Dauer 962 LeMans

2. 2.7 seconds2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept

3. 2.7 seconds2000 Dodge Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT

4. 2.7 seconds1999 Leblanc Caroline

5. 2.8 seconds1995 Renault Espace F1 Concept

6. 2.9 seconds1991 Audi Avus Quattro Concept

7. 2.9 seconds1995 McLaren F1 LM

8. 3.0 seconds1999 Ferrari Koenig F50

9. 3.0 seconds1995 Jimenez Novia Concept

10. 3.0 seconds1999 Nissan Blitz Skyline GT-R R348

11. 3.0 seconds1994 Schuppan 962CR

12. 3.1 seconds1995 Ford GT90 Concept

13. 3.1 seconds1990 Jaguar XJR-15

14. 3.1 seconds2001 Tiger Z100 Mk1

15. 3.2 seconds2000 Koenigsegg CC

16. 3.2 seconds1996 Lamborghini Diablo VTTT

17. 3.2 seconds1991 Lotec C1000

18. 3.2 seconds1997 McLaren F1

19. 3.2 seconds2001 Westfield Mega Busa

20. 3.2 seconds1992 Yamaha OX99-11

21. 3.3 seconds1992 Bugatti EB110 SS

22. 3.3 seconds1994 Bugatti Rinspeed EB110 Cyan Concept

23. 3.3 seconds1999 Dodge Hennessey Viper Venom 650R

24. 3.3 seconds1994 Jaguar XJ220 S TWR

25. 3.3 seconds1998 Lamborghini Diablo Evolution GTR

26. 3.3 seconds2001 Porsche Sportec 911 Turbo Stage 4

27. 3.3 seconds2001 Ultima Can-Am

28. 3.3 seconds2000 Ultima GTR

29. 3.4 seconds2001 Ferrari Koenig 550 Maranello

30. 3.4 seconds2001 Ferrari Koenig 550 Twin Turbo

31. 3.4 seconds2001 Koenig Ferrari 550 Maranello

32. 3.4 seconds2002 Koenigsegg CC 8SNEW

33. 3.4 seconds1998 Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR

34. 3.4 seconds2000 Mercedes-Benz Renntech CLK GTX

35. 3.4 seconds1997 Porsche Gemballa 911 Extremo

36. 3.4 seconds2001 Porsche Gemballa 911 GTR 600

37. 3.4 seconds1982 Westfield SEI

38. 3.5 seconds1999 Evans Series 3 LeMans

39. 3.5 seconds1985 Ferrari Koenig Competition Evolution

40. 3.5 seconds1988 Jaguar XJ220 Prototype

41. 3.5 seconds1991 Koenig C62

42. 3.5 seconds2000 Lamborghini Diablo Coatl

43. 3.5 seconds1997 Lamborghini Diablo Evolution GT1

44. 3.5 seconds1999 Lamborghini Diablo GTR

45. 3.5 seconds2000 Mosler MT900

46. 3.5 seconds1996 Porsche 911 GT1

47. 3.5 seconds1997 Porsche Ruf CTR-2 Sport
48. 3.5 seconds1998 Porsche Ruf Turbo R

49. 3.5 seconds2001 Volkswagen W12 Coupe Concept

50. 3.6 seconds2000 Dodge TNT King Snake Viper

King Cobra

Jun 25, 2002, 07:30 PM

fyter, a couple of comments. First, I saw somewhere (I can't remember where now) that the F60 went from 0 to 60 in 3.0 seconds flat, althought it might have been a prototype. I can't remember which one.

Second, I can tell you got this off a website or some source. Have a link? :cool:

icetraxxg5

Jun 25, 2002, 07:31 PM

Sorry for my ignorant post :)
Haven't had a good day today! The power keeps going out (DTE energy is the real bad company here! LOL).

We have a new 2002 impala and I don't know what's the problem here with it, Everyone says its an "Old Mans Car" and "Its A Pig" and stuff like that, I don't know what's with people! The impala has decent fuel economy and for a V6 front wheel drive the thing can squeal its tires pretty nice. Its a good size and I think its a GREAT price (around 24-29k) for what you are getting.

If you don't have a NEWER domestic car and just buy foreign cars you will never see how nice a domestic car(in my case GM) really is. This reminds me about how some PC users that have NEVER used a mac or never used a newer one and they go off saying "Macs Suck!" and stuff like that. Is it just me or is it that a lot people that buy foreign cars are like some PC users??
Now that is the real question... :rolleyes:

krossfyter

Jun 25, 2002, 07:37 PM

king cobra... isnt that f60 a race car not a street car? im not sure.

i got the lists at www.supercars.net

King Cobra

Jun 25, 2002, 07:47 PM

I have yet to check it out, fyter. I will do that after I post this.

BTW, I found a link, that lead to the F60's rumor page. I realize that it is about a year old but I think this statement says a lot:

"As we have already reported, the car will be powered by a 6.0 litre V12 unit producing up to 650 hp. The V12 will be mated to the rear wheels by a sequential gearbox and insiders suggest performance figures of 3 seconds flat for the sprint to 60 mph and a top speed of 230 mph."

http://www.fantasycars.com/1/2001/F60Part2/f60part2.html

:cool:

big

Jun 25, 2002, 08:53 PM

the thing can squeal its tires pretty nice

yeah, but squealing the front wheels just isn't as cool as the back.

Bradcoe

Jun 25, 2002, 09:05 PM

American car companies suck. End of story. Why? Because American people are dumb when it comes to buying cards. A 2 door sports car won't survive in the US because American people are obese and are a culture where they want 10 kids to fit in one vehicle. I could go on a tangent for years about why I FEEL that american car companies suck. But thats my opinion. I also believe that Harleys make your a$$-hole bleed because the pistons fire straigt up and are about 8 inchces below your rear end (unlike a thought-fully designed bmw or japanese bike). I'll add more later. Cars are wonderful. Gas, or any liquid for that matter, powered cars with lots of neck snapping torque, hot looks, and high horsepower are great.

BTW-Japanese companies and workers have loyalty. "BigWig" Japanese executives take personal sacrifices for their own company. Lets see...America has Tyco, Enron, Anderson, Martha Stewart, MCI, and just a couple more "I'm worth millions but thats not enough." I'm not saying this doesn't exist in Japan, but this is the image the companies give off.

Choppaface

Jun 25, 2002, 09:31 PM

well if everybody had 1.8 liter 4's then we'd certainly have less of a smog problem...

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by Bradcoe
American car companies suck. End of story. Why? Because American people are dumb when it comes to buying cards. A 2 door sports car won't survive in the US because American people are obese and are a culture where they want 10 kids to fit in one vehicle. I could go on a tangent for years about why I FEEL that american car companies suck. But thats my opinion. I also believe that Harleys make your a$$-hole bleed because the pistons fire straigt up and are about 8 inchces below your rear end (unlike a thought-fully designed bmw or japanese bike).

Alright sh*thead, you asked for it. Making generalizations like above only broadcasts your stupidity.

Not all American's are "dumb when it comes to buying cards", unless you are talking about yourself (which I would tend to believe). Also, unlike what you think, not all American's want "A 2 door sports car" or "10 kids to fit in one vehicle". :rolleyes: I actually don't know anyone that falls into either category.

As for Harley's makeing your asshole bleed, serves you ******** right!!! Never mind the FACT that the piston's do NOT fire straight up "and are about 8 inchces below your rear end". From that statement of yours I take it that you have NEVER actually been on a Harley. IF you had, or actually been the only one on it, you would KNOW that your statement is a bold-faces lie. Since I actually rode MY Harley TODAY, and can tell you that the rear piston is forward of where you sit (unless you put your ass on the fuel tank like the moron you are :rolleyes: ).

How ******** old are you anyway??? 12??? You sure as hell seem like that... *cough*dumbf*ck*cough*

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Choppaface
well if everybody had 1.8 liter 4's then we'd certainly have less of a smog problem...

Like that would really work for trucks... :rolleyes:

mister black

Jun 25, 2002, 10:02 PM

American cars are crap. Anyone not from the midwest can tell you that.
If you want an affordable quality vehicle, buy japanese. if you want an unaffordable quality vehicle, buy german. If you want an american car, get AAA.

blakespot

Jun 25, 2002, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by ptrauber
That's a hell of a car, but now the WRX came out...I would go for that instead. Not saying that you should have...that's just what I would have done. As far as 2.5rs go, the older body style is the one that I really love. And why not rally blue??

-Pete
Well, it had to be an automatic since my wife and I will both be driving it, and the cost of an automatic WRX (tho it's a shame to put an automatic on a WRX) is a solid $5K more than the RS 2.5, and we just couldn't justify another $100/mo car payment. Would've been more fun, agreed.

Still...the RS 2.5 has a rather respectable 2.5L, 165hp engine in the flat-4 "boxer" configuration. Handling, enhanced by the AWD, is incredible. Very pleased with the vehicle. I will have to keep my WRX driving to the rally circuit in Gran Turismo 3 on my PS2.

And as for the fineness of the old body-style, check this thread (http://rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3110) over at rs25.com. Impressive mods. Tho I still prefer the 2002 body style, as far as a day-to-day car.

blakespot

icetraxxg5

Jun 25, 2002, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by AlphaTech

Alright sh*thead, you asked for it. Making generalizations like above only broadcasts your stupidity.

Not all American's are "dumb when it comes to buying cards", unless you are talking about yourself (which I would tend to believe). Also, unlike what you think, not all American's want "A 2 door sports car" or "10 kids to fit in one vehicle". :rolleyes: I actually don't know anyone that falls into either category.

As for Harley's makeing your asshole bleed, serves you ******** right!!! Never mind the FACT that the piston's do NOT fire straight up "and are about 8 inchces below your rear end". From that statement of yours I take it that you have NEVER actually been on a Harley. IF you had, or actually been the only one on it, you would KNOW that your statement is a bold-faces lie. Since I actually rode MY Harley TODAY, and can tell you that the rear piston is forward of where you sit (unless you put your ass on the fuel tank like the moron you are :rolleyes: ).

How ******** old are you anyway??? 12??? You sure as hell seem like that... *cough*dumbf*ck*cough*

Well said! Well said!
I don't know why people don't think that american(domestic) cars will last as long as a Honda, I think they will last A LOT longer. To me Honda's and Toyota's are for people that don't know what kind of car to get so they get a Honda thinking it will last forever! Well all I can say to those kind of people is:

Have fun driving upto the dairy twist on sunday in your lil' 4 bangin' foreign car! LOL :D :)

big

Jun 25, 2002, 10:14 PM

American car companies suck. End of story. Why? Because American people are dumb blah blah blah, I suck chicken eggs

A 2 door sports car won't survive in the US because American people are obese (but not as large as my own head, because my ego won't fit inside my pocket) and are a culture where they want 10 kids to fit in one vehicle. (never mind I cant get laid except through catholic services-oh father!)

I could go on a tangent for years about why I suck. But thats my opinion. I also believe that Harleys make my a$$-hole feel better because the pistons fire straigt up and are about 8 inchces below your rear end.

I'll add more later. Drugs are wonderful. Gas, or any liquid for that matter, powered cars with lots of neck snapping torque, hot looks, and high horsepower are great, I cant stand for any of my friends to drive anything but T-birds and wear "wife-beater" shirts.

BTW-Japanese companies and workers have loyalty, I'm one of them. "BigWig" Japanese executives take personal sacrifices for their own company, when they fail, they make me personally get on my knees and.......

Lets see...America has Tyco, Enron, Anderson, Martha Stewart, MCI, and just a couple more "I'm worth millions but thats not enough." I'm not saying this doesn't exist in Japan, but this is the image the companies give off.

plus I'm too near sighted to see all the great things America does have, I think I'll do everyone a favor and move out.

WOW, your opinionated! take it easy on yourself

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by mister black
American cars are crap. Anyone not from the midwest can tell you that.
If you want an affordable quality vehicle, buy japanese. if you want an unaffordable quality vehicle, buy german. If you want an american car, get AAA.

How can your breathe with your head that far up your ass???

I am NOT in the 'midwest' and I can tell you that Ford trucks are the only ones I will purchase. They have always treated me right, which is why I will continue with them in the future. My mother has a 97 Ford Contour that she loves, and runs like a trooper (even with her lead foot). All she has ever done with it is routine maintenance, that's it. My sister picked up a Ford Windstar a few years back. She was looking at some foreign vehicles before going with the Ford, but none of them offered the same kinds of features that she wanted. She also has only done routine maintenance, NO problems with them.

Personally, I am VERY happy with my 02 Ranger, with all the svelte features that I went with. The dealership I went with is the best one I have EVER been to. They hunted around until they found the vehicle that met MY requirements. They found one, but it was sold between when they found it, called me, and called the dealer that had it back. They located another one and brought it to their dealership so that I could go and get it. On the Saturday, that I went to pick it up, they had about four people want to purchase it. They had to tell them that it was already sold... Which made some sad people, but at least I got mine. There was NO pressure tactics used, AT ALL, I told them what I wanted, and they found it.

I had a similar (good) experience when I went to purchase my Harley. I did my research ahead of time to figure out which dealer I was going to purchase from. They got the motorcycle in for me, I went one day, signed the preliminary papers and returned the day before it was ready for me to take (I had them make some modifications before I picked it up). After that, their runner did all the legwork to get it registered and such (I didn't have to do that for the truck either).

I will go back to both dealerships for my next vehicle (of that type). I also recommend the Ford dealership that I went to, mainly because they ARE very capable, and treat you right.

big

Jun 25, 2002, 10:28 PM

ditto- I run a '96 F-150 and get as good gas mileage as any thing else (25-28 city) that's with a 302 V8. so if they could drive their toyota over hear, we'll show em some Southern hospitality

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by icetraxxg5
Well said! Well said!
I don't know why people don't think that american(domestic) cars will last as long as a Honda, I think they will last A LOT longer. To me Honda's and Toyota's are for people that don't know what kind of car to get so they get a Honda thinking it will last forever! Well all I can say to those kind of people is:

Have fun driving upto the dairy twist on sunday in your lil' 4 bangin' foreign car! LOL :D :)

You notice how all these Japanese car companies brag about going over 100,000 miles??? Know why American car companies don't do that??? Because it's expected, people expect their American vehicles to last as long as they want them, and they do.

Parts for American vehicles are less expensive then for foreign cars, at least in the US they are.

Also, since I am in MA, where we get snow (for those that didn't know :p) trucks are a big plus to have. You don't know how many people with cars panic when they start to see the white stuff come down from the sky. :rolleyes: For me, unless we get a blizzard, I don't care. IF we get over 10-12" of snow overnight, I don't have a problem. I put it into 4-wheel drive and just push through. Hell, there were times when I lived at the old place, where I had to push through more snow then that. The truck did it no problem (that was the old one, with a 3 Liter V6 and 15" wheels where the new one has a 4 liter and 16" wheels). As long as I drive smart, it doesn't really matter how much snow is coming down.

Cars tend to have problems with anything over an couple of inches of snow (like 2-4" max). Especially those ghetto cars that are lowered and scream "idiot" all over them. :rolleyes:

AlphaTech

Jun 25, 2002, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by big
ditto- I run a '96 F-150 and get as good gas mileage as any thing else (25-28 city) that's with a 302 V8. so if they could drive their toyota over hear, we'll show em some Southern hospitality

:eek: Now THAT will make their asshole bleed... :eek: :D LOL!!!

Ahhhhh, a 302 V8, the engine that always could. :D Those do NOT know how to die...

big

Jun 25, 2002, 10:47 PM

I would like to apologize for flaming mr "I hate american cars and that's my opinion" guy, so sorry. I only meant to make a personal attack at you for the sake of comedy.

I'm glad you have your opinion, though the whole thing about American worker's did hurt a little. I am one of the hardest worker's in my field (I feel).

Soooooo, since we are all Mac lovers, I'll let things go and still see you as a brother (twice removed).

krossfyter

Jun 26, 2002, 02:22 AM

TimDaddy

Jun 26, 2002, 04:22 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Moxiemike
[B]

Right. You couldn't give me a jaguar (talk about a company going down hill-- they tanked since getting bought by ford. horrid stories about the cars and the new ones look like rehashed taurus')

What?? I HATE Ford, but I have to admit they have turned Jaguar around big-time! They may be ugly (in my opinion), but their quality has increased majorly. Thank God the Taurus is still a piece of crap and I'll still get plenty of overtime supplying America, Canada, and now Mexico with Camrys.

jefhatfield

Jun 26, 2002, 09:30 AM