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vitruvius
Jun 27, 2002, 03:46 PM
this is not supposed to be exactly a PDA, its more like Multimedia Station u can Play Movies, Listening MP3's but also can imput sound from an external microphone and mix it or movies from an FireWire camera, edit it and Burn them ( yes its circular form it is cause it is the size of the minimun Combo drive unit, so u opened like a Walkman and put a blank CD into it) also no keyboard just a Pen an Inwell on a sensitive screen. i really dont like the "iWalk" name but all my imagination went into modeling the thing

hope youll like it :D

the model was done in Form•Z and rendered in Cinema 4D and final retouches in Photoshop



edesignuk
Jun 27, 2002, 03:53 PM
Damn! U r really good with those 3D appz, nice work!

evildead
Jun 27, 2002, 04:06 PM
Your pretty good at that. Do you do that for a living? I like how thescreen is slightly discolord like the way a small LCD would be at an agle like that.

-evildead

AlphaTech
Jun 27, 2002, 04:09 PM
At least you don't pretend that it is something that Apple will be releasing at MWNY... :p

Send that to Spymac and they will probably claim that it will be coming out at MWNY, list a price, and tell everyone to get ready to purchase it. Foolish mortals.

BTW, nice modeling job... :D To make it even more realistic, you might want to use some torx head screws in the construction... :D... Apple is using a lot of T8, T9 and T10 size screws.

vitruvius
Jun 27, 2002, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
At least you don't pretend that it is something that Apple will be releasing at MWNY... :p

Send that to Spymac and they will probably claim that it will be coming out at MWNY, list a price, and tell everyone to get ready to purchase it. Foolish mortals.



well... i modeled based on some secret plans that a friend of my sister's mother in law who is married with some cousin of Jonathan Ive secretly photocopied for me... but hey!! don't tell anyone... :D

vitruvius
Jun 27, 2002, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by evildead
Your pretty good at that. Do you do that for a living? I like how thescreen is slightly discolord like the way a small LCD would be at an agle like that.

-evildead

hey! thx ,yes i work on 3D as one of my income sources , and on the screen dicoloration, thats nice that someone noticed it!!

Dr. Distortion
Jun 27, 2002, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech

Send that to Spymac and they will probably claim that it will be coming out at MWNY, list a price, and tell everyone to get ready to purchase it. Foolish mortals.


Hmm, would apple give us Surfers Serials with it? (Look for the skull in the dock...)

laf.

-Dr. D.

eyelikeart
Jun 27, 2002, 05:47 PM
ok...I'll give props to this one...

at least it's not some shameless plug for those stupid movies :rolleyes:

btw...nice work man ;)

madamimadam
Jun 27, 2002, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
At least you don't pretend that it is something that Apple will be releasing at MWNY... :p

Send that to Spymac and they will probably claim that it will be coming out at MWNY, list a price, and tell everyone to get ready to purchase it. Foolish mortals.

BTW, nice modeling job... :D To make it even more realistic, you might want to use some torx head screws in the construction... :D... Apple is using a lot of T8, T9 and T10 size screws.

You forget the most important part; secretly Apple has had Mot. producing masses of low level G5s which will be used in the iWalk.

Ouroboros
Jun 27, 2002, 07:25 PM
Didn't you hear the latest!? The G5 is actually going in the iPods, the iPod II's!! They skipped a whole chip for the PMac's and went straight to the G6! I've got a link around here somewhere...

G5orbust
Jun 27, 2002, 08:47 PM
haha, i think this might be the first iwalk thread eye actually tolerates. Nice 3d modeling job. i wish i was all pro like u, but, we all cant be perfect.
:p . if that actually existed, it could give microsoft's upcoming tablet pc a run for its money.

Nice job again!!!!

G5orbust
Jun 27, 2002, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Ouroboros
Didn't you hear the latest!? The G5 is actually going in the iPods, the iPod II's!! They skipped a whole chip for the PMac's and went straight to the G6! I've got a link around here somewhere...

what a BS post, and u posted it in the wrong place. Please read the thread name before posting.

sjs
Jun 27, 2002, 09:00 PM
If you are really good, make it show a QT movie!!

billiam0878
Jun 27, 2002, 09:17 PM
That's a really cool mock-up vitruvius, about how long did it take to make?

Bill

Rajj
Jun 27, 2002, 09:29 PM
Superb Job!!!;) What are your proposed specs?

vitruvius
Jun 28, 2002, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by billiam0878
That's a really cool mock-up vitruvius, about how long did it take to make?

Bill

it was about 10 hours to model it and about 2 to get the righ angle, lightning and materials and render it. it is suposed to be opened and show the CD-RW compartment but im still working on it, maybe i can generate a nice QuickTime clip. Thx for your coment:)

G4scott
Jun 28, 2002, 01:12 AM
Nice. I like the surfers serials part!

coolocity
Jun 28, 2002, 08:25 AM
Nice work - wish I had the time to design my iHardDrive. Or maybe I should call it iDrive, just not iHard :D

Gelfin
Jun 28, 2002, 03:23 PM
Very nice... I'm glad you acknowledge that the name "iWalk" is intensely stupid. I didn't see that at first and I was wondering why oh god WHY you kept that name. :)

If the thing is supposed to be about the size of a portable unit like IOMega's "Predator" drive, then that screen would be awfully small. I was picturing it as something about the size of a small frisbee or a largish salad plate, maybe 9" in diameter. I assume, then, that the dark gray area at the top of the unit is supposed to be the hinge for the optical drive?

Ouroboros
Jun 28, 2002, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by G5orbust


what a BS post, and u posted it in the wrong place. Please read the thread name before posting.

It would be BS if I was telling the truth. However I guess you didn't get the humor.... How you didn't get it I have no idea.

yogi477
Jun 28, 2002, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by G4scott
Nice. I like the surfers serials part!

What is happening with that now that it's not going to be updated anymore does anybody know? Will anyone take up the reigns?

vitruvius
Jun 28, 2002, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Gelfin
Very nice... I'm glad you acknowledge that the name "iWalk" is intensely stupid. I didn't see that at first and I was wondering why oh god WHY you kept that name. :)

If the thing is supposed to be about the size of a portable unit like IOMega's "Predator" drive, then that screen would be awfully small. I was picturing it as something about the size of a small frisbee or a largish salad plate, maybe 9" in diameter. I assume, then, that the dark gray area at the top of the unit is supposed to be the hinge for the optical drive?

i imagine that it should be about 7 1/2" diameter with a screen of 6", since it was made for specifically control multimedia aplication and no exaclty a complete version of OSX (even if i used an OSX image for it), and yes that chrome thing at the top is the hinge for the optical drive and small holes in front are for I/O analog audio. i have my doubts of if it is posible to fit in such small enclosure, the processor ( incluiding some acceptable GPU) ,the battery, a nice HD and the combo drive, but hey, it is my Dream!
as for the name, following the Apple tendency of minimal designs maybe i should call that just "i" :p

vitruvius
Jun 28, 2002, 11:24 PM
heres an Updated One,

im guess im bored, and missing Big Rumors so i creating ones to enjoy it myself:p

by the way if u see on the left side theres some hole where Ports are suposed to go, im modeling the ports right now, so what kind of ports would u expect in device like this?

King Cobra
Jun 28, 2002, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by vitruvius
im guess im bored, and missing Big Rumors so i creating ones to enjoy it myself:p

by the way if u see on the left side theres some hole where Ports are suposed to go, im modeling the ports right now, so what kind of ports would u expect in device like this?

I think you are a bit more bored than you guessed... :D

For ports, you've got to have an audio mini-jack and Firewire.

I can tell you are even more bored than that, since you resurrected a dying thread! :eek: :cool:

vitruvius
Jun 28, 2002, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra


I think you are a bit more bored than you guessed... :D

For ports, you've got to have an audio mini-jack and Firewire.

I can tell you are even more bored than that, since you resurrected a dying thread! :eek: :cool:


Damn! i was shure nobody would notice it! :D


it's Alive!! it's Alive.. -Dr. Frankenstein.

Dunepilot
Jun 29, 2002, 11:12 PM
I'm quite happy you resurrected this thread. It's the most fun thing i've seen this week in MR.

Keep up the good work. Let's see the 'production version' with ports!

G4scott
Jun 29, 2002, 11:19 PM
Maybe it will run Mac OS CE :p

I don't really think that Apple would ever make a portable OS and name it that... Maybe Mac OS Xm (m is for mobile), then they can have the pMac (p is for portable!)

eyelikeart
Jun 30, 2002, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by G5orbust
haha, i think this might be the first iwalk thread eye actually tolerates.

he he he....very true...this one wasn't a big load of *****... ;)

vitruvius
Jun 30, 2002, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by G4scott
Maybe it will run Mac OS CE :p

I don't really think that Apple would ever make a portable OS and name it that... Maybe Mac OS Xm (m is for mobile), then they can have the pMac (p is for portable!)

well.. if the name is pMac ,the os should be OSXp and is kind of weird don't u think?:p

macfreek57
Jun 30, 2002, 01:58 AM
awesome modeling job and all that. i wish i could do that as well.

but my only problem is that in an apple product the ports are more prone to all be together/on the same side (?). just a suggestion.

G5orbust
Jun 30, 2002, 10:18 AM
Yes. It could be either OSXm or OSXp. Probably OSXm because OSXp could stand for windows xp. doh! But the pMac sounds like it fits.

the pMac runnning a mobile G4 running at 733 Mhz and has a 10 gig hd running OSXm.

Haha, we can all dream; cant we?

AlphaTech
Jun 30, 2002, 11:07 AM
I think they could get in trouble for using Xm since there is that stereo hardware that is XM.... I seriously doubt that they would care where the caps went. How about OS XLE (Lite Edition) or OS Xpe (portable edition)?? Either could work, and not run over something in use already.

Just a thought, or three... :D

G5orbust
Jun 30, 2002, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
I think they could get in trouble for using Xm since there is that stereo hardware that is XM.... I seriously doubt that they would care where the caps went. How about OS XLE (Lite Edition) or OS Xpe (portable edition)?? Either could work, and not run over something in use already.

Just a thought, or three... :D

Damn, OSXm had so much potential too. ;)

OSXpe could also be a fesible one too. Or maybe, we wouldnt even need a lite edition. How bout OSX without OS9 classic drivers? It wouldnt take up as much space as normal, desktop OSX, but would still be the full version. Give me ur input on that.

AlphaTech
Jun 30, 2002, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by G5orbust
Damn, OSXm had so much potential too. ;)

OSXpe could also be a fesible one too. Or maybe, we wouldnt even need a lite edition. How bout OSX without OS9 classic drivers? It wouldnt take up as much space as normal, desktop OSX, but would still be the full version. Give me ur input on that.

Don't bother with OS 9 drivers on it... Have it mount as another device if/when you need to sync with it. OR, incorporate an airport card into it, and have it allow you to sync in the backgroud with any computer on your airport network. You could browse to the machine from the iWalk instead of having the computer do it. It really wouldn't matter if the computer has the airport card, since you can make a LAN with the base station. :D It would also mean that you could do it from ~150' away (better then the ~30' of blueball, I mean bluetooth :D).

Make the entire case one large airport antenae, which could boost the signal even better.

G5orbust
Jun 30, 2002, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


Don't bother with OS 9 drivers on it... Have it mount as another device if/when you need to sync with it. OR, incorporate an airport card into it, and have it allow you to sync in the backgroud with any computer on your airport network. You could browse to the machine from the iWalk instead of having the computer do it. It really wouldn't matter if the computer has the airport card, since you can make a LAN with the base station. :D It would also mean that you could do it from ~150' away (better then the ~30' of blueball, I mean bluetooth :D).

Make the entire case one large airport antenae, which could boost the signal even better.


So, i mean, with the syncing the backround thing, that you could really leave your computer, go to the crapper 100 feet away, and still use ur computer via the iwalk. Cool idea.

AlphaTech
Jun 30, 2002, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by G5orbust

So, i mean, with the syncing the backround thing, that you could really leave your computer, go to the crapper 100 feet away, and still use ur computer via the iwalk. Cool idea.

Yeah, and if the interface is done right, you might even be able to continue your UT game while on the sh*tter... :D

G5orbust
Jun 30, 2002, 12:33 PM
Ahh, nothing like a good game of UT while taking a crap. God, screw a monitor, just get me an iwalk and a T1 line!

vitruvius
Jun 30, 2002, 10:11 PM
this is the final model of the device. I hope youll enjoy it as much as i enjoyed modeling it

i wish to thx everybody for support this 3D experiment. i want to thank specially to KingCobra for the port suggestion, Gelfin for the size discusion,Alpha for the advice on the screws and last but not the least to Eye for not Kick my ass as soon as he saw this thread!!:D

spinner
Jun 30, 2002, 10:41 PM
Awesome job on the renders.

One suggestion though...patent that bad boy before Micro$lut steals it for one of their next products. :eek:

vitruvius
Jul 3, 2002, 06:11 PM
by the way, this is a "close-up" of the ports

(damn.. i really need some serious big rumors..):D

AlphaTech
Jul 3, 2002, 06:19 PM
Mystery port = FireWire 2... :D

The first device to be made forward compatible right out of the box. :D

BTW, I always enjoy a little screwing around... :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

macfreek57
Jul 6, 2002, 01:12 AM
OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH....
i wistook the screws on the side of it seen in the first two renders as the audio ports

DakotaGuy
Jul 6, 2002, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by vitruvius
this is not supposed to be exactly a PDA, its more like Multimedia Station u can Play Movies, Listening MP3's but also can imput sound from an external microphone and mix it or movies from an FireWire camera, edit it and Burn them ( yes its circular form it is cause it is the size of the minimun Combo drive unit, so u opened like a Walkman and put a blank CD into it) also no keyboard just a Pen an Inwell on a sensitive screen. i really dont like the "iWalk" name but all my imagination went into modeling the thing

hope youll like it :D

the model was done in Form•Z and rendered in Cinema 4D and final retouches in Photoshop

Nice work on the mock up, but what I don't understand is how is this any different in what it will do compared to the 12" iBook? The iBook is a real computer that will fit in your backpack or briefcase, if Apple was to market a device like this it would be a flop because the iBook offers a lot more for not much more or less.

dantec
Jul 6, 2002, 07:57 PM
Being such a compact device, it would probably have longer battery life. It would also be the 'truely mobile' machine. Responding to your iBook or Powermac via airport. Besides, a tablet is better than a full laptop (weight, battery life, etc).

Maybe, if Apple did release something like this it would be the 'true' digital hub. By that I mean it could remote control your stereo, turn on your DVD player, adjust the temperature, open the blinds, etc.. Just like all that Panjea junk (which never works, and screws up) my uncle has but better. Kinda like that HP project called Cooltown? or something like that? (??town???)

Nice 3d, modeling. Maybe you should do a shot from the top of the device (from the hinge), showing the ir port in the hinge, and the screen tilted again.

dantec
Jul 6, 2002, 08:00 PM
And I forgot, being such a small device, I don't forsee a 1ghz G4 or G3 inside. So by the time soemthign like this ever comes out, we will see G4 iBooks or 1ghz G3 ibooks. Leaving this device around 600mhz.

Another reason why it wouldn't compete with an iBook, is it wouldn't be really usefull, outside of home. Remember this thing works via airport, so no modem, ethernet... And just how many people just by an iBook to take it to the crapper? I think the consumer who buys an iBook takes it outside of the house, or dormatory...

dantec
Jul 6, 2002, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by vitruvius
by the way, this is a "close-up" of the ports

(damn.. i really need some serious big rumors..):D

For the Mystery port: it could be that Digital optical output port, we see on the back of Sony stereo's, Minidisc's, Playstation 2's and Sony DVD players. (Next time you use one of them turn it on, and look at the back of the device, you should see a red laser shinning... this is what i'm talking about).

G5orbust
Jul 6, 2002, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Abercrombieboy


Nice work on the mock up, but what I don't understand is how is this any different in what it will do compared to the 12" iBook? The iBook is a real computer that will fit in your backpack or briefcase, if Apple was to market a device like this it would be a flop because the iBook offers a lot more for not much more or less.

i dont think so. It would be much different, infact. How many iBooks use inkwell and a pen for input? That would be none.

I think Apple would sell many to the buisness sector or education. Using the remote desktop idea Alpha and I tinkered with earlier in the thread, office managers and employees could manage their desktops from wherever in the office they are via a carefully contructed and maintained Airport network.

And come on, home many things that are even remotely close to a PDA have optical drives, let alone a combo drive. Even the new OQO thing which sports a fancy Transmeta 1GHZ processor and is the size of a PDA with a built in screen, doesnt have any ability to use an optical drive. In my opinion, taht makes this product VASTLY superior to anything taht is on the markey today.

cb911
Jul 7, 2002, 01:30 AM
thats an exellent job on the 3D work vitruvius!!:D

i reckon you've done about half of Apples research and concepts for them!!:D

resm
Jul 7, 2002, 01:53 AM
vitruvius can I be the first one to buy one ???? :eek:

I think if Apple had this available this July it would blow a few bank accounts :D

looks fantastic to me...Apple couldn't do it much better !

vitruvius
Jul 7, 2002, 06:56 AM
hey thx for all the comments, it makes me believe that the device already exists

maybe if u send me enough money i can build a real one(*)...

... or maybe i just take the money and get a great vacations at the Bahamas :D






(*) a real cardboard one!!

G5orbust
Jul 7, 2002, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by vitruvius
hey thx for all the comments, it makes me believe that the device already exists

maybe if u send me enough money i can build a real one(*)...

... or maybe i just take the money and get a great vacations at the Bahamas :D






(*) a real cardboard one!!

Heres my credit card #. Make me one.

its xxxx-xxxxxxx-xxxx-9045. ;)

Infact, make me one in the Bahamas using unskilled jamacan laborers.

DavPeanut
Jul 7, 2002, 01:39 PM
How much will it be?:D

DakotaGuy
Jul 7, 2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by G5orbust


i dont think so. It would be much different, infact. How many iBooks use inkwell and a pen for input? That would be none.

I think Apple would sell many to the buisness sector or education. Using the remote desktop idea Alpha and I tinkered with earlier in the thread, office managers and employees could manage their desktops from wherever in the office they are via a carefully contructed and maintained Airport network.

And come on, home many things that are even remotely close to a PDA have optical drives, let alone a combo drive. Even the new OQO thing which sports a fancy Transmeta 1GHZ processor and is the size of a PDA with a built in screen, doesnt have any ability to use an optical drive. In my opinion, taht makes this product VASTLY superior to anything taht is on the markey today.

If any of you have a PDA you would know that inputing information on them is not as easy as a mouse and keyboard. Try and take class notes on one you you will find yourself behind. I have taken my iBook to class, I sit on the couch with it at home and play games, I can walk around my house with it on line via airport. It is not large and bulky and will fit about anywhere. I take it on the road so when someone else is driving I can watch a DVD. The little machine is amazing and I just don't see how this device would be better. I guess if you are too lazy to actually walk over and open your blinds this might be for you, but to me it is a gadget that most people could live without.

The mock up was great and I liked the device, I just think that Apple should be putting their money into things like a G5 for the pros and improved iBooks, iMacs, and eMacs for the consumer. To throw all that money into a product that will be expensive and do less then a laptop is not smart business. I have a Palm and it is a handy device, but I paid around $250 for it. If Apple brings something like this to the market with this type of technology it would be forced to charge $1500-$2500 for it and at that price no one, not even loyal Apple people would fork it over if they knew they can buy a real computer system for that amount. If apple is going to make a PDA or some type of handheld device, then it needs to be priced right, I would say somewhere around the iPods pricing and it needs to be something that can be built off of something they already have. Some of you might forget the flop called the Newton...I would hate to see Apple loose again like they did on that device. There is a reason that Steve Jobs took the Newton off the market, it was to focus on Apples core markets, the desktop and laptop computers and software. Apple has done well focusing on these areas where it is strong.

crazylb1
Jul 13, 2002, 11:08 PM
Ya so I'm reviving an old thread sorry.

I've been bored this summer and I was roaming the boards the other week when I came upon vitruvius's (sp?) mockup. I figured since he was done with it I'd play around somemore and this is what I got:



homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html (http://homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html)

Sorry for the large filesize (900kb) I didnt want to compress it because it would be hard to read the text.

Ciao

vitruvius
Jul 14, 2002, 11:49 AM
nice dude!

i send u a PM with some suggestions:)

by the way, if u save it as .jpeg u can get a smaller size without lost so much resolution ( depends on compression level)

Wry Cooter
Jul 14, 2002, 12:45 PM
I was wondering why it was round... thought you were creating the iRoll or the iFrisbeeGolf until I saw it open to play DVDs.

Which makes the screen too small. If Apple DOES iWalk, I hope they get away from the PDA mindset and create something with a larger higher resolution screen.

Also, it should have a cell phone built in, and an electric razor, so we have something we can do with it while we drive besides watch movies...

dantec
Jul 14, 2002, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by crazylb1
Ya so I'm reviving an old thread sorry.

I've been bored this summer and I was roaming the boards the other week when I came upon vitruvius's (sp?) mockup. I figured since he was done with it I'd play around somemore and this is what I got:



homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html (http://homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html)

Sorry for the large filesize (900kb) I didnt want to compress it because it would be hard to read the text.

Ciao

The text was well written, pretty Apple authentic. But one suggestion (to the real creator), maybe you should make a 'white' version to fit in with Apple's current line.

What app are you using to make this anyway...

crazylb1
Jul 14, 2002, 04:21 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: You won't believe what just showed up at apple's website! I took a snapshot of it to show you guys!

Vitruvius are you sure you just randomly modelled that?

madamimadam
Jul 14, 2002, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by crazylb1
Ya so I'm reviving an old thread sorry.

I've been bored this summer and I was roaming the boards the other week when I came upon vitruvius's (sp?) mockup. I figured since he was done with it I'd play around somemore and this is what I got:



homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html (http://homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html)

Sorry for the large filesize (900kb) I didnt want to compress it because it would be hard to read the text.

Ciao

That is pretty cool... you should correct the english and send it into SpyMac.

Corrections before submission:

two "and(s)" in the bottom left text.

"using the program" should be something more Apple like "using the revolutionary"

"DVD's" does not need the apostrophe

"it's" does not need the apostrophe

The iPhoto image is over the "s" in "DVD's".

You should not say "iDisk from you iWalk".... maybe just not say iWalk at all since it is an iWalk "ad".

-------------------------------------------------------

No joke, I think you should go for it, those are only minor changes and those guys would believe ANYTHING

crazylb1
Jul 14, 2002, 04:48 PM
just trying to get those pda zealots roused up sorry! :D :p :D

No but seriously folks...

I took some suggestions from some folks and have posted an update to the ad:

homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/filesharing18.html (http://homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html)

crazylb1
Jul 14, 2002, 05:07 PM
RE: madamimadamtimallen,

Here is that updated file:

homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html (http://homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html)

vitruvius
Jul 14, 2002, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by dantec


The text was well written, pretty Apple authentic. But one suggestion (to the real creator), maybe you should make a 'white' version to fit in with Apple's current line.

What app are you using to make this anyway...

I dont know what you mean with "white version" the device is half chromed /half polycarbonate as the iPod, it maybe looks weird in the crazylb1's composition cause he erased the black surface and changed by a white one , but the chrome still reflecting the original surface ( u can see the original some posts before or in my webpage) anyway thx for the interest, the mock up was modeled in Form•Z and rendered in Cinema 4D with some final retouches in Photoshop

madamimadam
Jul 14, 2002, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by crazylb1
RE: madamimadamtimallen,

Here is that updated file:

homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html (http://homepage.mac.com/crazylb1/FileSharing18.html)

ROFL

You changed one "DVD's" but not the other.
:)

Here is the link to go to:

http://www.spymac.com/submit.php?which=news

;) LOL