The universe...

[G4scott]

Has anyone here ever just thought about the universe, and our existence, and why we are here? How we are here? and if there is anybody else out in space? It's fascinating to think of all the possibilities out there... Man, am I bored or what?

[coolocity]

Hehe, as we learned in physics ... :rolleyes: ... the universe is expanding - therefor, there is an end to the universe. I've always wondered what's out there, past that, moreso than what's in ours. Maybe I should change that, hehe. I doubt we're alone, but I also doubt we'll stumble upon life elsewhere in our lifetime, I can always hope though.

[Royal Pineapple]

i usually do mosdt of my quality thinking while on the pot, no that is not a drug refrence.:D :D :D

[Backtothemac]

The universe is amazing to me. I know without a doubt that there is life out there. It would be sad really if we were alone. There is nothing in religion that says that we are, but some extreme people on the right like to think so. I think we will make contact sooner than people think. At least in the next 250 years. That is really quick when you stop and think about it.

All the science of space does is strenghten my faith in God, and the existence of her.

[krossfyter]

I dont think God is neither a he nor a she....

however its known to refer to God as a he because thats the way it is in the text... "Father" father is never a she.

but that does not matter... what does matter is your heart with God... anyways...

[krossfyter]

but yeah like b2thm said.... all the universe has strengthend my faith in the God of the bible.


einstien even said... in order for the universe to be created...the entity that created it had to be on the outside of it...not subject to its laws.


hindu, islam and all other religions other than judeo christianity and judiasm .... have thier God within time...subject to its laws. so in a sense.... einstein kinda gave some scientific credibility to the GOd of the bible.


i know im going to be flamed for this but i dont care..im just hanging out in here.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by krossfyter
I dont think God is neither a he nor a she....

however its known to refer to God as a he because thats the way it is in the text... "Father" father is never a she.

but that does not matter... what does matter is your heart with God... anyways...

I agree. I think God is both. The father, the mother. The giver of all things. I don't understand how someone can look at the complexness of life here on Earth, and the vastness of the universe, and think there is not a God. How? Why? Were is the universe? Something created it. Sad. I feel sorry for people like that.

[G4scott]

Originally posted by coolocity
Hehe, as we learned in physics ... :rolleyes: ... the universe is expanding - therefor, there is an end to the universe. I've always wondered what's out there, past that, moreso than what's in ours. Maybe I should change that, hehe. I doubt we're alone, but I also doubt we'll stumble upon life elsewhere in our lifetime, I can always hope though.

There's a short story by Issac Asimov called "The Last Question". You should read it. It deals with the ever-expanding universe, and entropy, and that sort of stuff. It's really good.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


I agree. I think God is both. The father, the mother. The giver of all things. I don't understand how someone can look at the complexness of life here on Earth, and the vastness of the universe, and think there is not a God. How? Why? Were is the universe? Something created it. Sad. I feel sorry for people like that.


agreed!

i think some people are going to look at these posts and get kinda annoyed because it turned into a "God" talk.

thats kinda hillarious.



cant escape "God"!

[krossfyter]

b2tm just made me think of something...


God is niether a he nor a she but at the same time is both.


trippy!

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by krossfyter
b2tm just made me think of something...


God is niether a he nor a she but at the same time is both.


trippy!

Sorry to get off topic. Really, here is one that will make you think. God is perfect right. He is all knowing, and is everywhere. He is pure love right.

Well to be perfect, would he not have to be capable of pure evil as well. That one has taxed me for a long time.

As far as the Universe, there are trillions of galaxies out there. With trillions of planetary systems such as ours. If there were only 1/10th of 1,000th of 1% of them, there would be millions of earths. Think about that.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Backtothemac



Well to be perfect, would he not have to be capable of pure evil as well. That one has taxed me for a long time.




yeah ive gone there also. its a trip...aint it?!!!

[krossfyter]

honestly b2thm....it would be intresting to hear jethatfield talkle that pure evil thing.

bring on jet! bring on jet!

[mr.w]

I dont know what to think about "god"... I'm not really convinced. Or at least with the christian god. I don't see how it is that christians can say that their religion is right and everyone elses is wrong. how can 3 billion muslims and hindus be wrong. I think that there has to be a universal truth for any religion to be correct. and i really don't think that there are any universal truths, because there is always a counter agrument (or belief) in ever statement.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by mr.w
I dont know what to think about "god"... I'm not really convinced. Or at least with the christian god. I don't see how it is that christians can say that their religion is right and everyone elses is wrong. how can 3 billion muslims and hindus be wrong. I think that there has to be a universal truth for any religion to be correct. and i really don't think that there are any universal truths, because there is always a counter agrument (or belief) in ever statement.

There is a universal truth to Christianity, and it is love. 1st Correnthians Chapter 13. That was the whole point that Jesus was trying to make. People also quote John 3:16 all of the time, but never 3:17. I think the Christian Church has damaged itself badly throughout time with some of the interpratations they have offered. In fact, love is present in all religions. So, that being said. Look at life in that aspect. I am not saying as a Christian that the 1.5 billion musliums on the earth are wrong.

[eyelikeart]

"So what u are saying is...that our entire universe could be a single cell in the fingernail of some being in another realm?"

ok I know isn't completely accurate...but I tried to pin it as best as I could... ;)

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by mr.w
I dont know what to think about "god"... I'm not really convinced. Or at least with the christian god. I don't see how it is that christians can say that their religion is right and everyone elses is wrong. how can 3 billion muslims and hindus be wrong. I think that there has to be a universal truth for any religion to be correct. and i really don't think that there are any universal truths, because there is always a counter agrument (or belief) in ever statement.



well thats respectible. im glad your thinking man. thats healthy.

this is the way i see it.


the truth is absolute and is not up to or contingent upon any of our thoughts or belief systems. so the truth is not relative.
its like gravity. there are absolute laws in physics... and so it is with the soul.

you cant see gravity but you can see it working....same with God ... man.


too me .... Jesus is the real deal mainifistation of God on earth. not mohammed ..buddha or whatever. each of them were sinners and were not perfect.
but anyways... im sure anyone has arguements against this...but i will never beleive them because it all comes down to who i put my full trust in in the end.... and that be Jesus. anything else or anyone else to me is not worth trusting for my life.

[G4scott]

I believe that the true way to think of 'God' would be as "The Creator". That's how the Native Americans thought of it (I think), and if you think of it, every religion has a 'creator'. Whether you call him God or Allah doesn't matter, just as long as you believe that there is a creator. I also think that it would also be the politically correct way of putting it. As for the atheists, they confuse me...

Another thought about this is the authenticity of religions. Not just one religion can be right. Besides, siding with a religion shows that you may not be an individual believer. Everybody is different, and they each have different beliefs. Deciding on who the Creator is should not be the decision of a church, but the decision of the individual. It is your faith in this creator that matters. In my opinion, not going to church once a week, or not confessing your sins doesn't mean that you don't believe in a Creator. It just means that you don't conform to one certain religion.

I could go on and on, but I'd start to get confusing. It'd be interesting to see what other people think.

[krossfyter]

everyone is a conformist in one sense or another... it depends on your relative views.


as for as indviduality and God..... well i decided for myself that Jesus was the real deal. no one forced me or made me think the way they wanted me to think. there is individuality in God.... you just have to accept him to understand.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
The universe is amazing to me. I know without a doubt that there is life out there. It would be sad really if we were alone. There is nothing in religion that says that we are, but some extreme people on the right like to think so. I think we will make contact sooner than people think. At least in the next 250 years. That is really quick when you stop and think about it.

All the science of space does is strenghten my faith in God, and the existence of her.
i think we already made a contact...yeaaarss ago

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Megaquad

i think we already made a contact...yeaaarss ago


shrooms dude..... leave them alone!:D :p

[G4scott]

Just something to clear things up:

I believe that as long as you believe in a creator, no matter what the name of the creator is, whether it be God or Allah, you will be fine in the end.

That reminds me of a Beatles song, The End...
"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"

Would it be wrong to say that Radical Islam is not a religion, since it is basically a group of terrorists?

Oh, and we are all conformists here :P We can't help it. The thing is to try to be yourself, and not someone else. Even if you end up similar to someone else, or if your beliefs are similar, at you still tried.

Philosophy...

[mr.w]

Originally posted by krossfyter




well thats respectible. im glad your thinking man. thats healthy.

this is the way i see it.


the truth is absolute and is not up to or contingent upon any of our thoughts or belief systems. so the truth is not relative.
its like gravity. there are absolute laws in physics... and so it is with the soul.

you cant see gravity but you can see it working....same with God ... man.


too me .... Jesus is the real deal mainifistation of God on earth. not mohammed ..buddha or whatever. each of them were sinners and were not perfect.
but anyways... im sure anyone has arguements against this...but i will never beleive them because it all comes down to who i put my full trust in in the end.... and that be Jesus. anything else or anyone else to me is not worth trusting for my life.

to me blind faith is a crazy thing... i find it suprising that so many people can devote their lives to something that is not concrete. As for gravity, i was thinking about that too. how do we actually know that gravity holds us down. what is gravity, just a bunch of #'s and equations created to explain the unknown, and make us more comfortable with ourselves, and our lifes. We are, as people, prone to attempting to explain the unknown to make us feel more in control of our lives. it's the same thing with words and definitions... the object labeled as a chair has just become the name of a object that i see in everyday life. Why is it called a chair??? just because it is a common name and object that we can all agree upon, thus making our lives less chaotic. The same can be applied to just about everything.

also how do you explain to muslims or budists that they are wrong and you are right? because there can be only one true religion right???

[mischief]

The universe isn't expanding, it's CYCLING. It spews forth at stars and recycles through black holes.

The whole shebang is the ultimate experiment in self-examination. We, the Universe, extraterrestrials, cockroaches, etc. are all just Points of View being simultaniously experienced by the One-Entity.

We, the thinking feeling beings of the Universe are the eyes and ears of that One-Being.

[mymemory]

A few years ago I wnet to a observatory on the top of some montains. I girld started to show us the size of the univers and the milky way and all the galaxi... I'm glad I'm a live, I felt like a tiny litlle germ attach to a minuscle grain of sand at some beach. The entire thing is so big, the topic is tripy by itself and show us the way we have to follow in like.

To live to find the rest of us out there, not to live to make money, fun and have sex.

Thats is the way we should be going. Right now we are acting like a virus eating a live this little cell called earth.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by mr.w


to me blind faith is a crazy thing... i find it suprising that so many people can devote their lives to something that is not concrete. As for gravity, i was thinking about that too. how do we actually know that gravity holds us down. what is gravity, just a bunch of #'s and equations created to explain the unknown, and make us more comfortable with ourselves, and our lifes. We are, as people, prone to attempting to explain the unknown to make us feel more in control of our lives. it's the same thing with words and definitions... the object labeled as a chair has just become the name of a object that i see in everyday life. Why is it called a chair??? just because it is a common name and object that we can all agree upon, thus making our lives less chaotic. The same can be applied to just about everything.

also how do you explain to muslims or budists that they are wrong and you are right? because there can be only one true religion right???




i wouldnt say my faith is blind. i see who it is im following and he has manifested himself to me AFTER i accepted him. comming to him took blind faith...i guess. i dont follow without any sort of indiction of the turth in my life...but if i had to im sure i could because this Jesus thing does not go away no matter what.


im not the one to tell that muslim or budshist that he is wrong and i am right.
i will simply love them and share with them my expierences with God etc. etc. and how Jesus changed my life. this is all im called to do... im not called to tell people they are wrong in thier faith. thats ludicrious for me to do so.

then there comes in another angle... say you know a way to earn a billion dollars just by accepting it and there is only one way to do it....and part of the plan was to tell others of this one way...... would you not tell anyone and be selfish or would you tell them how to do it?...so that they may share in that joy and abundance.

i simply tell about the truth that i know has been manifested to me through Christ...its up to anyone else to ingore it or accept it or whatever... i never force. thats not what its about. true love never comes through force.


dig it.

[Beej]

As for the universe expanding...


I'm not sure it's been proven either way. Actually, I am sure it's been 'proven' both ways.

One thiing that (just about) everyone agrees on is that if the density of the universe at the big bang was 1 part in 100,000,000,000 more dense, it would have collapesed back in on itself within about 10 hours.

Had it been 1 part in 100,000,000,000 less dense, there would have been no time for galaxies to have been created, and hence life would not exist.

It is truely amazing how close to the brink of eternal expansion or eventual collpse we are...

One theory I find interesting to think about is the anthroprotic principal, which basically says 'we see things they way they are, because if they were any different, we wouldn't be here to ask why are things the way they are'

[mr.w]

krossfyter-
Well I'm happy that you've found something that works for you... you're ahead of the game. If it's working for you great... i think religion is essential in controling the morality of the masses, and giving people hope, or some form of truth to believe in...

Were you born a christian, or did you find "god" at a later date?

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by mr.w
krossfyter-
Well I'm happy that you've found something that works for you... you're ahead of the game. If it's working for you great... i think religion is essential in controling the morality of the masses, and giving people hope, or some form of truth to believe in...

Were you born a christian, or did you find "god" at a later date?


thanks man. youve got a gift of tolerance. keep rocking it.

i was not born a christian. to be a christian is to decide for yourself. babies cant do that. so i accpeted Christ when i was 18.


dig it.

[G4scott]

Has anyone ever heard of the "String Theory"? It's supposed to explain how the 4 major forces in the universe interact. It's supposed to be the missing link in understanding the laws of physics... I just saw a video of it in my physics class, and I'm wondering if anyone else has heard of it.

[krossfyter]

yep...awsome stuff..the string theory is.


ever heard this...

how the string theory may prove that the God of the bible is real?


ive got tons of info on it. but i dont want to really turn this thread into that or bore any of yall or what not.


dig it.

[mischief]

It's a Victorian version of Genesis created to cover the fact that physicists don't like to admit they have no clue.

The whole red shift/blue shift thing isn't very accurate anyway considering the number of overlapping datums extrapolated from the same basic observations when there are a nearly infinite number of variables between us and even the closest stars. Plus: All things in the universe with ANY mass (can be effected by gravity) are subject to entropy. Ask yourself: What happens to light when it loses energy? I figure the shifting of distant stars is more due to their distance than their movement.

The whole big bang theory is based on a flawed and incomplete theory that was mis-interpreted from day 1.Einstein never settled on a unified field theory because a unified field theory is IMPOSSIBLE in particle physics.

String theory I'll hit on briefly: Super-strings are a theoretical particle created in the minds of particle physicists to explain why Atoms don't behave entirely like particles. They behave like standing waves, as do the "sub-atomic particles". A Super String is a modern equivalent to the ever-more-complex interlaced Crystal Spheres of Platonic days.

Saying to physicists that it's all waves is like saying to Plato that the world is not only round but orbiting the sun.

[sturm375]

Originally posted by krossfyter




well thats respectible. im glad your thinking man. thats healthy.

this is the way i see it.


the truth is absolute and is not up to or contingent upon any of our thoughts or belief systems. so the truth is not relative.
its like gravity. there are absolute laws in physics... and so it is with the soul.

you cant see gravity but you can see it working....same with God ... man.


too me .... Jesus is the real deal mainifistation of God on earth. not mohammed ..buddha or whatever. each of them were sinners and were not perfect.
but anyways... im sure anyone has arguements against this...but i will never beleive them because it all comes down to who i put my full trust in in the end.... and that be Jesus. anything else or anyone else to me is not worth trusting for my life.


The truth between you and God, is absolut, however if someone outside sees this and has a different perspective, it is not the truth. Truth is always subjective. It may not be subjective to you, but you are not the universe.

As for physics, nothing is ever proven correct. Even the "Laws". Take Gravity, if we had used the "Laws" of Newtonion physics, we would have missed the Moon by miles. Science is ever evolving(Sin:D ). The most basic thing to understand about scientific research, is it is all about disproving.

[mischief]

Okay, before this gets out of hand:

Both arguements are correct.

Truth, absolute truth is all there is. It's like the kernel of any OS.

However: Like a kernel that no-one has root command-line access to, Absolute Truth is distorted into Relative Truth through the filter of observation (GUI).

Does that help?;)

[sturm375]

mischief: I agree, good geek-speak on truth.

Oh, and I found the answer to this whole universe thing, on the web of course:

http://www.chapel42.com/life/


:D :D :D


And I haven't even read the books:eek:

[jefhatfield]

faith is blind and that is ok by me

science is not blind but often wrong in interpreting the facts, but in the end science will uphold faith and the existence of god

we will not have the answers to our questions anytime soon and when we do, it may not seem like such a big deal by then...the idea of the existence of god won't be such a controversial idea for educated folk and scientists

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by sturm375



The truth between you and God, is absolut, however if someone outside sees this and has a different perspective, it is not the truth. Truth is always subjective. It may not be subjective to you, but you are not the universe.

As for physics, nothing is ever proven correct. Even the "Laws". Take Gravity, if we had used the "Laws" of Newtonion physics, we would have missed the Moon by miles. Science is ever evolving(Sin:D ). The most basic thing to understand about scientific research, is it is all about disproving.



thanks. good post...good thoughts...
however ...
i was just illustrating a point (regardless of scientific proof) that absolutism is absolute regardless of our views. i corralate it with the soul and the law of human nature etc. etc. someone else might not but its worth looking into and thinking about..... because laws are everywhere and whos to say laws cant exist for our souls? whos to say laws dont exist for what we dont know or what we cant see?


never the less rock on and live strong.