so...you're been caught cheating...

[camobag]

Well,

just in case some of you thought i was talking about cheating on a significant other, that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about submitting a paper that wasn't yours...well, at least most of it. i have done this and was caught. unfortunately, i flunk the course, as well as lose most respect that had from two of my favorite professors. it was stupid...stupid, stupid, stupid. anyone have any consoling words? if not, whatever...i'm just having a hard time. later

[Apple //e]

Well,

just in case some of you thought i was talking about cheating on a significant other, that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about submitting a paper that wasn't yours...well, at least most of it. i have done this and was caught. unfortunately, i flunk the course, as well as lose most respect that had from two of my favorite professors. it was stupid...stupid, stupid, stupid. anyone have any consoling words? if not, whatever...i'm just having a hard time. later


at least they didnt expell you from school.

[voicegy]

You learned a lesson and you move on. They're upset because they probably feel you're quite capable of peforming to your potential on your own without the need for cheating. In other words, they're disappointed 'cause they know you know better.

Cheating is an old as the hills, but seems to have reached a zenith lately - almost to the point of garnering respect for "getting away with it" and beating the system as being a "clever" thing to do. You can always blame the influence of society at large, but...you know better. ;)

[Dippo]

Well,

just in case some of you thought i was talking about cheating on a significant other, that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about submitting a paper that wasn't yours...well, at least most of it. i have done this and was caught. unfortunately, i flunk the course, as well as lose most respect that had from two of my favorite professors. it was stupid...stupid, stupid, stupid. anyone have any consoling words? if not, whatever...i'm just having a hard time. later

Don't worry too much about it. If all you got was an F, then you are lucky. Just retake the course, get your degree, and get out.

I don't know about the circumstances, but turning in someone else's work wasn't smart. You could have at least changed it around a bit, or something.

Of course, I will extend my sympathy... :(

[Sun Baked]

Funny how college is a microcosm of the business world where cheating and taking credit for other people's work is much more widespread.

But they're also trying to teach people to work together on problem solving in schools then turn around and say that students getting together to solve their math homework is cheating.

[Doctor Q]

The Internet makes it easier to cheat, but also easier for teachers to detect cheating. I think the risk and the disadvantages (even when you get away with it) outweigh the advantages. After all, you wouldn't want your classmates cheating on papers when you were writing your own, would you?

(I'm speaking to the world at large, not to you, camobag. You already found out the hard way, and I feel sorry for you.)

[virividox]

thats a bummer. but i guess you have a chance to prove to them next time that you arent a cheat and are capable of doing the work

good luck

[Abstract]

Where did you buy your essay? ;)

If it was an essay handed in by a friend in the same class, even if he took the class the year before, would be pretty darned stupid. I know someone who took an essay from someone who took the class 2 years previous, and lets just say that it didn't go "very well." ;) Someone recognized it quite easily and simply gave him the failing grade he deserved.

Anyway, I was once told that I was cheating in a 3rd year quantum mechanics class. They claimed that on one of the 10 questions of an assignment, my work looks very similar to the maths work done by another student. What can I say? There were only 2 ways to solve it: Either solve for x, substitute it into the equation, then solve for y; or solve for y, sub it into the eq'n, and then solve for x. I only got a zero for that question, which was nice of them to do (I think). It sucks that school policy states that accused cheaters have to prove their innocence, especially since I can't actually "prove" that I didn't cheat. :rolleyes:

It goes to show you where your moral level is at when you're trying to pull stuff like this off. You wouldn't be feeling so bad if you didn't get caught, would you? Hope you learned your lesson.

[Krizoitz]

Well,

just in case some of you thought i was talking about cheating on a significant other, that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about submitting a paper that wasn't yours...well, at least most of it. i have done this and was caught. unfortunately, i flunk the course, as well as lose most respect that had from two of my favorite professors. it was stupid...stupid, stupid, stupid. anyone have any consoling words? if not, whatever...i'm just having a hard time. later

The only thing I can say to you is that you got off lucky. We have a no tolerance for plagarism here at my school. The only thing you can console yourself with is that you'll have a chance to make up for it. Hopefully you have learned you lesson, and will work hard to prove yourself in the future.

[jxyama]

unfortunately, i flunk the course, as well as lose most respect that had from two of my favorite professors. it was stupid...stupid, stupid, stupid. anyone have any consoling words? if not, whatever...i'm just having a hard time. later

i know i'm being a hard arse, but i think "unfortunately" and "consoling" are misplaced above... you cheated knowing you could get caught and if caught, pay for the consequences. so i don't think it's "unfortunate" that you flunked the course and i don't think anyone should give you "consoling" words. no?

as others said, you got off easy - expulsion is a definite possibility at other places. i think you learned your lesson (and it's not "don't get caught" ;) ) - good luck moving on.

[Mr. Anderson]

so what was the paper on and where did you find it?

I graduated 11 years ago and it was a different world then in terms of cheating. The internet wasn't as big a deal as it is now.....

D

[MongoTheGeek]

Anyway, I was once told that I was cheating in a 3rd year quantum mechanics class. They claimed that on one of the 10 questions of an assignment, my work looks very similar to the maths work done by another student. What can I say? There were only 2 ways to solve it: Either solve for x, substitute it into the equation, then solve for y; or solve for y, sub it into the eq'n, and then solve for x. I only got a zero for that question, which was nice of them to do (I think). It sucks that school policy states that accused cheaters have to prove their innocence, especially since I can't actually "prove" that I didn't cheat. :rolleyes:

I got that once in calc. I then recited the problem from memory and then solved it mentally as fast as I could talk in a crowded corridor. There was never another question about cheating.

[Mr. Anderson]

I got that once in calc. I then recited the problem from memory and then solved it mentally as fast as I could talk in a crowded corridor. There was never another question about cheating.

but in both those cases - what if it was the other person cheating off of you? :D

Works both ways, you know?

D

[rueyeet]

i know i'm being a hard arse, but i think "unfortunately" and "consoling" are misplaced above... you cheated knowing you could get caught and if caught, pay for the consequences. so i don't think it's "unfortunate" that you flunked the course and i don't think anyone should give you "consoling" words. no?

I agree. If someone's going to choose to do something as blatantly wrong as plagarism (sp?) the least they can do is accept the consequences. Call me a hard-arse too, but my response is going to have to be, tough cookies, kid, and be grateful you weren't expelled. And: don't do it again.

[ToddW]

dude,

you cheated, pure and simple. it sucks that you got caught, so take at as a lesson and move on. inever got caught cheating in school ;) just kidding, when i was teaching lab in college i once had people deliverate cheat on some lab reports. i gave them a break and explained to them why they did not need to do it and had them do it over, i didn't think it was such a big deal.

however, during my bachelors i did get accused of cheating, i had the rep of being a slacker and a goof, who just got by, well i really got into this project and did all the work myself and they told me that there was no way i was capable of the work, i argued back and they took me to the review board, and i was furious, damn near got kicked out of school, needless to say that professor doesn't work there anymore and my rep got a lot better!

cheating is wrong, i probably did it a few times in school just like everyone else has. if you get caught own up to it and move on.

[Mr. Anderson]

I cheated once - didn't need to, but it was too difficult to pass up.

Final Exam for Engineering Physics II (Thermo, Electrical, etc.) I was sitting at the front of the class right across from the graduate student giving the class. She was obviously bored and had a copy of the test. I didn't think too much of it at first, but this was a multiple choice test (you were given booklets to do the work in) and her copy had *all* the correct answers circled!!! I couldn't help myself and had to see if I had the right answers on some of the pages. I still had to do the work, but in a few cases I switched my answers and reworked the equations.

I felt really guilty later, but I just figured I was given a opportunity and took it.
D

[PatheiMathos]

You live you learn

In high school me and a buddy got busted (sorta) after we wrote a program that "compromised the schools computer security system." Though it was a work of genius (and we figured out our vaguely homo-erotic teacher's password was "lilly"), I ended up losing out on my valedictorianship and any top 10 honors I was to receive.

They actually didn't have anything on us that could prove anything, (they don't even know how to read server logs) but I came clean with hopes that they would recognize that we did not do anything malicious. We didn't. I coulda helped em patch up their holes, but oh well I guess. I mean come on if I had wanted to do something I woulda been a bit more exciting, sheesh.

Anyway, I learned, don't do stupid things around ignorant people. It was a weird experience, But I must say it was satisfying to pick up my diploma (I didn't go to graduation, and I don't regret it) and show them my transcript that said I was the #1 spot in the class and laugh in their faces.

As for you, don't get too down on yourself about it. People will realize you're human. Just show that you've gotten past it. It'll be your talent that lands you jobs, not grades. In any case you can't change it now, so don't get stuck in those "if only i didn't..." arguments. I would like to know one person that never cheated academically...you happened to get caught. Remember, it takes some know-how and skill to cheat these days, thats energy misspent, I used mine for creativity in my ongoing graphic design studies.

cheers

[Grimace]

I disagree with those who say that it sucks you got caught. I think it's a good thing. You learned from the experience and hopefully you won't do it again. academic dishonesty is serious, some take it more seriously than others - after all, you are stealing someone else's intellectual property.

At all the schools where I've been a student, you are kicked out after a hearing, and can't enroll again. Academia is very unforgiving sometimes.

[PatheiMathos]

Lets not all bring in holier-than-though condescending remarks here, I'm sure we can all step down from our moral pedestal. wtfwjd?

[Dros]

I am always amazed at what people think they can get away with. You'll see a paper where the first paragraph is nearly illiterate and full of misunderstandings of the topic, then it switches over to polished writing on a subject that is barely related, and concludes with more illiterate rambling.

Or someone copies off the test next to them and so gets the answer right, but can't quite make out the little diagram that shows the work so has something with the right shapes (a helix here, a circle there) but none of the labels right.

Meanwhile, they are at home thinking, "I can call myself Mr. Smoooth".

[leftbanke7]

There is this dude in my math class who will come into class, sit next to me, ask me what assignments are due, pull out a folder, take out somebody's math assignments from last semester, slap his name on it and turn them in. Granted, I am more annoyed that he has to sit by me than his cheating, but what are you gonna do. I took solice in the fact that his test score would probably suck and my hard work would equate better test scores. Well, that idea was blown out of the water when the dude turns to me and goes,"Sweet, I got a 90" and walks out of the class.

I really don't know why it annoys me so much. There is no curve and his actions won't effect me and my grades but it just gets under my skin.

[Crikey]

You live you learn

... I would like to know one person that never cheated academically...you happened to get caught. ...

cheers

I've never cheated academically.

Wish I could say the same thing romantically.


Crikey

[gwuMACaddict]

pretty lame, buddy... especially if you liked the profs? not only did you fail the course but you lost letters of recomendation/friends/contacts/oppurtunities...

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[Abstract]

...... I took solice in the fact that his test score would probably suck and my hard work would equate better test scores. Well, that idea was blown out of the water when the dude turns to me and goes,"Sweet, I got a 90" and walks out of the class.

That would piss me off too. :mad:

however, during my bachelors i did get accused of cheating, i had the rep of being a slacker and a goof, who just got by, well i really got into this project and did all the work myself and they told me that there was no way i was capable of the work, i argued back and they took me to the review board, and i was furious, damn near got kicked out of school, needless to say that professor doesn't work there anymore and my rep got a lot better!

How did you prove that you're professor was wrong? Like I said, at my school, when it comes to plagiarism, the student has to prove himself innocent, so I was guilty until proven innocent. I only got a zero on a single question of the assignment, but I didn't want it to be on a permanent record of any sort. That's all people will see in my record...."Cheated".... and nothing else would matter. :rolleyes:

[wdlove]

I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you camobag. My thought going into this thread was cheating on an exam or paper. If caught it seems that the best option is honesty. It's always the coverup that gets a person into more trouble. I've had personal experience at that but too embarrassed to go in to details. :o

[jefhatfield]

Well,

just in case some of you thought i was talking about cheating on a significant other, that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about submitting a paper that wasn't yours...well, at least most of it. i have done this and was caught. unfortunately, i flunk the course, as well as lose most respect that had from two of my favorite professors. it was stupid...stupid, stupid, stupid. anyone have any consoling words? if not, whatever...i'm just having a hard time. later

from about middle school onwards, in the 70s, we were always taught to use quotes when pulling anything directly from another source, word for word

when proving a point from, let's say, president carter, from an article in time magazine one should say:

...and according to Time magazine, "The President said that he favors ..."

when the quote is ended, don't forget to put ending double quotes, and after that point continue your own commentary or analysis on the subject at hand until another direct quote comes into play, where again you should put the statement being borrowed in quotes

of course, people wrote their own essays and when the teacher found that anybody used a direct quote without using quotes, then they would jump on us

today ,the student now has the internet and they can cut and paste...and in some cases, an entire paper...that is stealing and most of any paper should be original content from the student and not mostly direct quotes, even if qoutes are put in place to recognize the original author

the point isn't to be right in an argument or point of view, the point is the have the student put together their own thoughts, no matter how absurd their paper ends up sounding

[Awimoway]

The only consolation I can offer is that this is a good learning experience. When you do foolish things, sometimes you get burned. And it hurts. If you don't like the way you feel right now, remember it when you are next presented with an opportunity to do the wise thing or the foolish one. I realize that's not a very cheerful thought. But here's something to be hopeful about: Life can only get better as long as you make better choices in the future.

[carbonmotion]

i know i'm being a hard arse, but i think "unfortunately" and "consoling" are misplaced above... you cheated knowing you could get caught and if caught, pay for the consequences. so i don't think it's "unfortunate" that you flunked the course and i don't think anyone should give you "consoling" words. no?

as others said, you got off easy - expulsion is a definite possibility at other places. i think you learned your lesson (and it's not "don't get caught" ;) ) - good luck moving on. I got to U of M too just like jxyama... even though kids who come here think they are the creme le creme... cheating is still rampant. People everywhere on all levels of intellectual capacity will cheat to get ahead. I'll tell you this right now. I just got done with my first year of UMich... I have a 3.8 Culm and a 3.93 for the semester and I have never illegally or immorally used the work of another individual for my own benefit. I think everyone who cheats misses this point: its doesn't matter that you got an A and you fooled the system, because in the end you're just fooling youself because you missed out on that educational experience.

[carbonmotion]

from about middle school onwards, in the 70s, we were always taught to use quotes when pulling anything directly from another source, word for word

when proving a point from, let's say, president carter, from an article in time magazine one should say:

...and according to Time magazine, "The President said that he favors ..."

when the quote is ended, don't forget to put ending double quotes, and after that point continue your own commentary or analysis on the subject at hand until another direct quote comes into play, where again you should put the statement being borrowed in quotes

of course, people wrote their own essays and when the teacher found that anybody used a direct quote without using quotes, then they would jump on us

today ,the student now has the internet and they can cut and paste...and in some cases, an entire paper...that is stealing and most of any paper should be original content from the student and not mostly direct quotes, even if qoutes are put in place to recognize the original author

the point isn't to be right in an argument or point of view, the point is the have the student put together their own thoughts, no matter how absurd their paper ends up sounding Wait, so you think quotations are cheating!? Modern scholarly literature basically consists of a thesis supported with facts, "quote", qoute analysis, and fact analysis... I think I missed your point, because if you are saying what I think you're saying then I've lost me completely ....I don't know where you're going with this.

[Sun Baked]

Wait, so you think quotations are cheating!? Modern scholarly literature basically consists of a thesis supported with facts, "quote", qoute analysis, and fact analysis... I think I missed your point, because if you are saying what I think you're saying then I've lost me completely ....I don't know where you're going with this.Failure to quote is cheating in some people's eyes.

Though when they drop you into a cheating charge for 1 single sentence in a doctoral thesis, it's starting to get a little ridiculous. Since errors and omissions do happen... it's easy to miss one sentence, but lifting a major theme, idea and/or chapter is a little harder to do by accident.

[MongoTheGeek]

Once in HS I had an oppurtunity to cheat. The girl who sat behind me had a copy of the answers to the multiple guess test. The thing is about 1/4th of the answers were wrong. :(

In terms of cheating on tests, nothing beats Chevy Chase in Spies Like Us.

[jefhatfield]

Wait, so you think quotations are cheating!? Modern scholarly literature basically consists of a thesis supported with facts, "quote", qoute analysis, and fact analysis... I think I missed your point, because if you are saying what I think you're saying then I've lost me completely ....I don't know where you're going with this.


it's ok to quote if you cite the source, but don't make your entire paper quotes...that's too easy and doesn't show the teacher your writing

[Neserk]

don't do it again.

Ditto. But don't beat yourself to a bloody pulp over it either. Face your consequences like an adult and realize it may take time to rebuild the trust of your professors.

[camobag]

Thanks guys...even to those who reminded me how stupid it was :) I completely and utterly believe what i did was a mistake...not in getting caught, but in doing it in the first place. Thanks again.

[Sun Baked]

Thanks guys...even to those who reminded me how stupid it was :) I completely and utterly believe what i did was a mistake...not in getting caught, but in doing it in the first place. Thanks again.At worst, it's just one small step on your way to becoming a stockbroker or lawyer.
;)

[sushi]

Well,

just in case some of you thought i was talking about cheating on a significant other, that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about submitting a paper that wasn't yours...well, at least most of it. i have done this and was caught. unfortunately, i flunk the course, as well as lose most respect that had from two of my favorite professors. it was stupid...stupid, stupid, stupid. anyone have any consoling words? if not, whatever...i'm just having a hard time. later
You are lucky that you only flunked the course!

In some schools you would be expelled. Consider yourself lucky to still be in school.

Chalk this up to a valuable lesson being learned.

Sushi

[voicegy]

Thanks guys...even to those who reminded me how stupid it was :) I completely and utterly believe what i did was a mistake...not in getting caught, but in doing it in the first place. Thanks again.

Nice to hear, good buddy. <shakes hand> Now go and prove to the world that you've got what it takes to not HAVE to resort to cheating - the self-esteem and feeling in your gut, not to mention the respect you'll incurr in others, will be priceless.

[jefhatfield]

no fill in the blank, true/false, and multiple choice

that's all fine and dandy for high school, middle school, and elementary school, but not for college

on a collegiate level, rote memorization does not teach a person to think or seek out original research but thinking creatively and putting down one's thoughts on paper and being able to present it in a speech/lecture should be the only way a person is judged in college classes...and for science classes, labs and excursions should be a part of the curriculum

letter grades are the most common way to grade a college student, but teacher/student evaluations, both ways, should become the norm for college students since it's more akin to the real world and this forces everybody to perform, not just master standardized testing and memorization skills

overall, school should be a progression in learning...games and fingerpainting in pre school, multiple choice/true-false/fill in the blank in higher grades, and essays and presentations for college

as it stands graduate school is largely graded on papers, research, and presentations only but it would be nice to have kids start with those more time consuming methods from the get go as a freshman in college since many people who have achieved undergraduate degrees have simply stated that their bachelor's degree was largely a repeat of high school

the unfortunate result, initially, in a paper/research/presentation only format in college would greatly reduce the number of students being able to survive college but the idea of college should not be to have it be the 21st century's version of a high school diploma, but the "next" step in learning beyond a high school diploma...and it would also make the bachelor's degree become worth more again in society

[musicpyrite]

I've never cheated academically.

Wish I could say the same thing romantically.


Crikey

I've cheated academically.

Never romantically. (never had a signifigant other)