Hang on there buckaroo!

[mischief]

Lets not go diving off that cliff again.

For the record:

The following products have a snowball's chance in Hell of appearing at MWNY.

1. Uni-iPod/PDA/Cellphone/Pager/Juicer/Car Wax. Get over it.

2. G5. There is no production facility yet, therefore..... shy of SJ producing them in his Colon I don't see G5 for another 6 months MINIMUM.


Oh, and as to my blowing the whistle: It was the only responsible thing to do. Here's the Image if you must see it.......

[Nipsy]

Revisiting that pic tells us a few things:

This is not the XServe mobo.

So if this is the new G4 mobo:
This mobo has 4DIMM slots, so the post about a 1.5GB RAM cap is out.
The corner suggests a 'shapely' enclosure

[DavPeanut]

where in the universe did you get that image

[mischief]

The seller was guessing and just used the G4 DP 1GHZ stats. Though if yoou look closely those are DDR slots.

The PDF is here:

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=mischief6xr&templatefn=FileSharing1.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.1.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en

It's the whole ebay ad.

[wake up Jobs!!!]

kool

[job]

So the motherboard exists! (somwhere... :rolleyes: )

[AlphaTech]

Think about it for a second folks... the positioning of things are way off. As that stands, the processor would be at the bottom of the case, with the cards at the top. Unless Apple completely redesigns the case to do that, this has less chance then a snowball in hell. Anyone with a Gn tower can confirm this... the ports go out the back, which would put the PCI and AGP slots at the top of the case.

As for the memory amount... don't you remember the G4 towers with four memory slots that maxed out at 1.5GB??

[mischief]

There is also the possibility that with a new case the mobo also gets (dare I say it) a new orientation.

Plus you're ignoring the fact that it could be mirrored.

There's also the fact that it's a PROTOTYPE. Meaning it may have been an early rev not deigned for a production case.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by mischief
Plus you're ignoring the fact that it could be mirrored.

Prototype, maybe, mirrored, nope. Look at it again, the placement of the ports and PCI/AGP slot(s)... With the ports going out the back of the tower, the card slots will have to be at the top of the system.

Another thing... the placement of the ATA/IDE ports on the board goes against the current placement that Apple uses...

[mischief]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Prototype, maybe, mirrored, nope. Look at it again, the placement of the ports and PCI/AGP slot(s)... With the ports going out the back of the tower, the card slots will have to be at the top of the system.

Another thing... the placement of the ATA/IDE ports on the board goes against the current placement that Apple uses...

You're assuming a revamped "El Capitan" case. Stop it. Just think for a minute about how you would build a case around this....

Who knows? Perhaps they'll revive the pizza box, that's certainly what it looks like. Either that or they're doing all the ports out the top. Honestly I think this was a "bench-test" model for testing the parts, not the orientation. There are a few things that point to an "early" proto never designed for a real case like the missing modem port to the right of the Ethernet, the pads are visible but the connector was never affixed.

[job]

The Firewire ports are upside down! :eek: :eek:

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by hitman
The Firewire ports are upside down! :eek: :eek:

Slitman, there is no up or down for those ports... they go both ways... ;) just like your ex... :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :D :cool:

[job]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Slitman, there is no up or down for those ports... they go both ways... ;) just like your ex... :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :D :cool:

What do ya mean "ex," she still does it now!! :D :p :eek:

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by hitman


What do ya mean "ex," she still does it now!! :D :p :eek:

Yeah, just not with you... :eek: :eek: ;) :D :cool:

[DavPeanut]

no fighting please. Now, I think that the motherboard is like that because it wont be a tower, it will be a computer that is horizontal

[job]

na, were not fighting. alpha and i just like kidding around. :D

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by hitman
na, were not fighting. alpha and i just like kidding around. :D

Yeah, I like the banter with slitman... or is that [s]hitman??? :D

Care to buy a clue ya nut???

[job]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Yeah, I like the banter with slitman... or is that [s]hitman??? :D


I dunno alphafeck, its really up to you. :D

[AlphaTech]

So, hm, what do you do for a living??? ;) :D

[goglamosh]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Think about it for a second folks... the positioning of things are way off. As that stands, the processor would be at the bottom of the case, with the cards at the top. Unless Apple completely redesigns the case to do that, this has less chance then a snowball in hell. Anyone with a Gn tower can confirm this... the ports go out the back, which would put the PCI and AGP slots at the top of the case.

As for the memory amount... don't you remember the G4 towers with four memory slots that maxed out at 1.5GB??

You assume that motherboards can only be mounted on one side of the case. If you were to mount it on the other side of the case, the port and PCI alignment works out fine.

If you are facing the front of a computer case, a typical motherboard is mounted on the right side. However, this motherboard would have to mount on the left side of the case. If it is mounted on the left side of the case, it works out. The image has just been flipped.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by goglamosh
You assume that motherboards can only be mounted on one side of the case. If you were to mount it on the other side of the case, the port and PCI alignment works out fine.

If you are facing the front of a computer case, a typical motherboard is mounted on the right side. However, this motherboard would have to mount on the left side of the case. If it is mounted on the left side of the case, it works out. The image has just been flipped.

For one thing, newbie, I don't see Apple breaking with it's winning case design. It is made to allow people easy access to the memory and such. Doing a change, as you put it, would require them abandoning the easy upgrade of the current case. With the location of the motherboard as it is now, people can easily install replacement video cards, memory, PCI cards and the like. It is also a snap to install additional hard drives, as well as replace the one that comes with the system. Placing the motherboard inside the case will negate all of that easy. They [probably] would need to make the case larger as well, just to include all of the current drive bays and such. Where do you propose they place the case cooling fan in your change??? :p

[goglamosh]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


For one thing, newbie, I don't see Apple breaking with it's winning case design. It is made to allow people easy access to the memory and such. Doing a change, as you put it, would require them abandoning the easy upgrade of the current case. With the location of the motherboard as it is now, people can easily install replacement video cards, memory, PCI cards and the like. It is also a snap to install additional hard drives, as well as replace the one that comes with the system. Placing the motherboard inside the case will negate all of that easy. They [probably] would need to make the case larger as well, just to include all of the current drive bays and such. Where do you propose they place the case cooling fan in your change??? :p

hey, i am just saying that the way the picture was taken of this motherboard, it would have to be mounted on the left side of the case. the picture of the board was probably taken wrong, i.e., some kind of optical phenomenon. And even if the motherboard was mounted on the left side, Apple could make that case side swing open to allow easy upgrades.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


For one thing, newbie, I don't see Apple breaking with it's winning case design. It is made to allow people easy access to the memory and such. Doing a change, as you put it, would require them abandoning the easy upgrade of the current case.

Whoa, wait a second... remember that "white speaker" powermac picture floating around without the hatch handle on the right side? WHAT IF... and just for the sake of what if... the handle was now on the LEFT side in some different fashion? (Like the original beige G3 towers). Then this whole thing would actually make sense...

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by mischief
Who knows? Perhaps they'll revive the pizza box, that's certainly what it looks like. Either that or they're doing all the ports out the top.

The pizza box idea is fine except for one thing, mischief: the old pizza box designs were around when people still used CRTs! Now that Apple sells nothing but flat panels, where would it go?? It would jut out awkwardly sitting under a flat panel. Not to mention it'd take up a fair amount of desk real estate. They'd have to make it a "personal pan pizza" size. :D

[AlphaTech]

That's one large 'what if' there... Don't forget that the ATA/IDE ports would then be at the top of the motherboard, instead of close to the drives. Since the blue and white, they have placed the hard drive ATA port right there at the drives. This makes it so that you can use a very short ribbon and still connect two drives. They do run the ribbon for the optical drive and place that one in a different location (close to the Airport slot).

I can't see Apple deviating far enough to place the board on the other side of the case, since they would have to redo the case more with that.

All will be revealed on Wednesday... I wonder if the web case is going to suck like it did for the past few years. I am sitting behind three T1 lines here at work, and the quality is through the floor. :rolleyes:

[dongmin]

Originally posted by Hemingray


The pizza box idea is fine except for one thing, mischief: the old pizza box designs were around when people still used CRTs! Now that Apple sells nothing but flat panels, where would it go?? It would jut out awkwardly sitting under a flat panel. Not to mention it'd take up a fair amount of desk real estate. They'd have to make it a "personal pan pizza" size. :D

Also, the Red Mobo has the PCI cards going in vertically (if the mobo is flat), which would make the case a lot thicker than a pizza box. It'd be more like the old beige desktops.

I second the opinion that there is no reason why the handle and door can't be on the left side (like the original towers). Also, Apple may be designing a completely new way of accessing the inside, e.g. removing the face and having the mobo and drives slide out on rails of some sort. This is a rumor site, afterall, so there's no need to be so rigid in thinking and dishing out condescension to newbies or anyone else.

[goglamosh]

Originally posted by Hemingray


Whoa, wait a second... remember that "white speaker" powermac picture floating around without the hatch handle on the right side? WHAT IF... and just for the sake of what if... the handle was now on the LEFT side in some different fashion? (Like the original beige G3 towers). Then this whole thing would actually make sense...

That is exactly what I was thinking !

[goglamosh]

Originally posted by dongmin


Also, the Red Mobo has the PCI cards going in vertically (if the mobo is flat), which would make the case a lot thicker than a pizza box. It'd be more like the old beige desktops.

I second the opinion that there is no reason why the handle and door can't be on the left side (like the original towers). Also, Apple may be designing a completely new way of accessing the inside, e.g. removing the face and having the mobo and drives slide out on rails of some sort. This is a rumor site, afterall, so there's no need to be so rigid in thinking and dishing out condescension to newbies or anyone else.

Thank you!

[goglamosh]

Originally posted by dongmin


Also, the Red Mobo has the PCI cards going in vertically (if the mobo is flat), which would make the case a lot thicker than a pizza box. It'd be more like the old beige desktops.

I second the opinion that there is no reason why the handle and door can't be on the left side (like the original towers). Also, Apple may be designing a completely new way of accessing the inside, e.g. removing the face and having the mobo and drives slide out on rails of some sort. This is a rumor site, afterall, so there's no need to be so rigid in thinking and dishing out condescension to newbies or anyone else.

Thank you!

[DavPeanut]

What about a tower turned 90 degrees, so that the front is one of the squareish sides? That might work. I'm not sure where the Optical drives would go. I could draw a picture, but I'm not sure how to add a picture to a post (I'm not stupid, I just have never realy tried. To prove I'm not stupid, look at the last item in my profile.) Which of the little things on that motherboard are for the CD drives and/or zip drive

[neilt]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
As for the memory amount... don't you remember the G4 towers with four memory slots that maxed out at 1.5GB??

The 1.5GB ram in the older G4's was limited by the OS, not the motherboard. Stick 4 512MB sticks into one of the older boxes with four slots, load up OS X and you've got 2GB of ram. I have 3 different servers running OS X Server with this configuration, and since Alpha will probably ask for proof :D , this is from the AppleSytemProfiler in the terminal:

System version = Mac OS X Server 10.1.4 Server (5S40) [ Mac OS X 10.1.5 (5S66) ]
Machine speed = 500 MHz
Bus speed = 100MHz
Customer serial number = XB03603D-JMW-ff06
Sales order number = M7659LL/A
L2 cache size = 1 MB
Machine name = Power Mac G4
boot device = 'Power Mac G4' Disk
boot rom info = 3.4f1 BootROM built on 08/08/00 at 22:02:19
Memory data
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Location Type Speed Info Size
DIMM0/J21 SDRAM PC100-322S 512 MB
DIMM1/J22 SDRAM PC100-322S 512 MB
DIMM2/J23 SDRAM PC100-322S 512 MB
DIMM3/J24 SDRAM PC100-322S 512 MB

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[Dr_Floyd]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Think about it for a second folks... the positioning of things are way off. As that stands, the processor would be at the bottom of the case, with the cards at the top. Unless Apple completely redesigns the case to do that, this has less chance then a snowball in hell. Anyone with a Gn tower can confirm this... the ports go out the back, which would put the PCI and AGP slots at the top of the case.

As for the memory amount... don't you remember the G4 towers with four memory slots that maxed out at 1.5GB??


THe G4s Maxed out at at 1.5GB because of the max size of DIMMs and OS 9 only would use the first 1GB, the rest could be used as a ram disk. OS X does not have this problem

[mischief]

Alpha has been taken out by a pack of logical, flexible minded Newbies!!!

BRAVO!!

In answer to the question about drive cables: The rear right quadrant appears to have 2 ATA cable plugs for Hard Drives and there's a third drive plug along the right edge. This would mean a total of 6 drives off the mobo. I would assume that the pair would be ATA-100 or ATA-133 and the third would remain ATA-66 for the opticals.

As to orientation: What's to prevent a tower designed to tuck behind the Studio Displays with the Optical trays and cables available from either side? Thus placing the "side" of the case foreward against the back of the display? This would be practical in many respects and allow easy acess to both drives and cables.


Keep in mind: This board suggests a RADICAL departure from El Capitan so we can assume that only the principal of the side hatch will be retained. For all we know Apple could have designed a "seamless" case that lifts off of a frame that opens like origami once unsheathed.

[DavPeanut]

This picture is what I mean by a sideways tower. It would open backward, so you could install ram. I dont have photoshop so that was the best I could do.