WWDC Product Releases?

[MacRumors]

With Apple's World Wide Developer's Conference approaching (June 28th), speculation has been building with respect to new product releases at the conference. As a developer's conference, however, consumer product introductions are the exception rather than the rule. Of course, last year Apple did introduce the PowerMac G5 at WWDC.

New Displays

Long awaited, and long rumored display upgrades are said to be imminent. Specs (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040608214257.shtml) have been posted offering sizes ranging from 20" to 30". The new displays are described to adopt an aluminum design to match the current PowerMac line.

Pricing is said (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040621193442.shtml) to top out at $2999 for the 30" model.

iMac G5?

Reports (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/05/20040510053824.shtml) continue to indicate that the next iMac revision will sport a G5 processor.

A newer report has claimed that the new iMac will have a case redesign and incorporate a wireless keyboard and mouse.

Tablet/Hanging/Interactive

Whispers continue to trickle in about a more ambitious project at Apple... with seemingly related information coming in from various sources. Again, not many details are available, but reports of hangable (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040606174201.shtml) and interactive displays (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040607193235.shtml) are keeping things interesting.

Other unconfirmed whispers include a partnership with TiVO and possible confirmation of recent speculation (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040610055946.shtml) of AirTunes enabled iPod technology.

[nsb3000]

I think new displays and a new iMacs are going to happen. The vertical Pizza box design sounds interesting. I am sure Apple will blow me away. As for the tablet I will believe it when I see it.

But I'm am mostly looking forward to seeing what is in 10.4. Apple's true brilliance comes across in software design...they have never ceased to impress me with there operating system upgrades.

WWDC is coming! :D :eek: :D

[CubaTBird]

me want new ipod! LOL! :p :D

[Bhennies]

sounds good, but if the 30" is going to be 2999, it seems like we may not see much of a price drop on the 23". I mean, if the 23" went down to 1499 or so, why would anyone pay another 1500 for the 30", when they could just buy two 23" for the same price? I hope the 23" gets a price drop, cause I'm buyin!

[BakedBeans]

ill take one of those nifty new imac g5 thingys please

[LaMerVipere]

Well not that I will be buying any of the aforementioned potential releases, but I'd love to see something like a new iPod come out, I would buy that :rolleyes:

[iLife]

didn't the specs on the new displays mention something about hanging on their supports? maybe theres bleedover in the two seperate rumors? maybe the new form factor allows to mounted on a wall? The rumors said it would take up a lot less room than the current models...

just a thought... :D

[hob]

I would SO buy an iMac G5 - and oooOOOOoooo this is my 4th ever rumor roundup :D Bring on the updates!!

[terceiro]

I don't care about what's the next rev of XYZ piece of hardware. I probably don't have the budget for it right now.

I want to know what Tiger is going to have in it. Where's the software rumors?

[wordmunger]

why would anyone pay another 1500 for the 30", when they could just buy two 23"?

Because it's 30 bleeping inches! What other reason do you need? Why does anyone need a Hummer when a VW Jetta or a Smart Car will get you there just as well? It's bragging rights, it's machismo, it's the American Way.

I suppose there are also practical reasons: if you wanted your monitor to double as your DVD-viewing screen, if you had limited desk space, if you need to work on very large images. But mainly it's to say "mine's bigger."

[taco]

i just took delivery on a rev. b dual 1.8 w/ 256mb ram (upgraded it myself to 1.25 gigs), 80 gig hd (slapped in another 200 gig sata for video), 128mb ati 9600XT, logitech mx900 bluetooth mouse and logitech z-2200 thx speakers- a new 20" apple lcd is all i need to complete this awesome system!!!

previous to the dual g5, i'd been using a latest rev 17" imac... wow... what a difference. both great machines, but the dual is just unbelievable.

anyone else get their new rev. bs? what do you think?

[kainjow]

I'm giddy like a school girl I can't wait for 10.4. :D :p

[machan]

a 30" monitor has been on my wishlist for a long time. if only these damn mortgage payments didn't rain on my parade so much...

[coumerelli]

Any word on whether or not the Keynote will be streamed/broadcast to the Apple Stores? (namely Schaumburg)?

And I'm super antsy to know what Tiger will be like.

[wPod]

we can all dream, but we will only find out once wwdc starts!

till then my dreams will be filled with a tablet like apple, as well as a wi-fi enabled iPod.

[MrSugar]

Hehe, me either.

I am at a dilema, about 4 months ago I bought really nice new View Sonic Flat Pannel monitors.. 2 17"'s. Now I find myself wanting a single 23 or maybe dual 20's ....... why do I do this to myself?!?!

Bah, why is it that I just want to give apple more and more money!

[xtbfx]

And still no rumors on Tiger? Apple sure is doing a good job being closed-lipped about it.

I'd like to see a G5 iMac, but a cheap G5 iMac would be even better (headless, even).

30" display would be awesome to wow friends with, but two 23" monitors would be even better.

[soosy]

Viva la headless iMac!

[agreenster]

I can see a G5 iMac. That'll happen sooner than later.

3000 bucks for a monitor is just a plain ol waste of money. Only if it is holographic would I drop 3k on a monitor. Or if I were rich...

[silvergunuk]

My sources have told me that Apple will name Mac OSX 10.4 iOfTheTiger. The box will have a huge picture of BA Baracas with a huge golden X hanging from one of his thick golden chains. Don't ask me for anymore information as my source could be sued and possibly fired by Apple.

He also tells me the ipod will be renamed Tarquin as dedication to the British Apple designer Jonathan Ive.

[Bhennies]

Because it's 30 bleeping inches! What other reason do you need? Why does anyone need a Hummer when a VW Jetta or a Smart Car will get you there just as well? It's bragging rights, it's machismo, it's the American Way.

I suppose there are also practical reasons: if you wanted your monitor to double as your DVD-viewing screen, if you had limited desk space, if you need to work on very large images. But mainly it's to say "mine's bigger."Of course I know why someone would buy it...I'm referring to the price point to speculate that we shoudln't anticipate much of a price drop on the 23".

[xtekdiver]

Because it's 30 bleeping inches! What other reason do you need? Why does anyone need a Hummer when a VW Jetta or a Smart Car will get you there just as well? It's bragging rights, it's machismo, it's the American Way.

I suppose there are also practical reasons: if you wanted your monitor to double as your DVD-viewing screen, if you had limited desk space, if you need to work on very large images. But mainly it's to say "mine's bigger."

I currently use a 20" cinema display as my monitor and TV at home. Having a 30" would fill two purposes for me because 30" is a really nice size for a small apartment. If these rumors prove to be true, I think Apple will have an extremly competitive product because most 30" flat planel TVs are more than 3K for HD and with lower resolution. Though it is dissappointing that they won't release a standalone cinema 17"; that would be perfect for work, not to mention price . I must say that after using a wide screen monitor I could never go back to using a square; OS X really lends itself to that aspect ratio where Windows does not. However, Longhorn is looking very similar to OS X so that might change. I find it surprising that there really aren't any cinema displays in the PC world other than a few high end 23"+. If laptops can come with 17" wide than why not a standalone?!? :(

[AppleMatt]

i just took delivery on a rev. b dual 1.8 w/ 256mb ram (upgraded it myself to 1.25 gigs), 80 gig hd (slapped in another 200 gig sata for video), 128mb ati 9600XT, logitech mx900 bluetooth mouse and logitech z-2200 thx speakers- a new 20" apple lcd is all i need to complete this awesome system!!!

I don't suppose you could confirm if the processor was a 970 or 970FX could you?

AppleMatt

[sorryiwasdreami]

I'm gonna get a new iMac G5 equipped 10.4 and wireless keyboard and mouse, ALL WHICH HANGS ON THE WALL! :rolleyes:

You think the iMacs will have wireless networking (bluetooth of course) integration built in (airport)? At this point, no computer manufacturer should sell a machine that doesn't - notebook or other.

I can't wait; it's only six more days.

[DGFan]

from AppleInsider

Details are sketchy, but one source, who has provided accurate information on previous projects, claims that the new iMac will sport a vertical "pizza box" physique with the main logic board mounted vertically behind the computer's LCD screen.

Sounds almost like the design for the original LCD iMac that Jobs supposedly didn't like, doesn't it?

[titaniumducky]

Well not that I will be buying any of the aforementioned potential releases, but I'd love to see something like a new iPod come out, I would buy that :rolleyes:

Not even Tiger?

[Everyday]

Other unconfirmed whispers include a partnership with TiVO

Can anyone say set top box from apple? I love my tivo and the way they improve and lead the market in their field would be a great fit with apple.

The 30 inch display would be nice in my new home office too... :)

[DGFan]

I don't suppose you could confirm if the processor was a 970 or 970FX could you?

AppleMatt

Apple said all the new models are 970FX, even the 1.8 and 2.0

[taco]

I don't suppose you could confirm if the processor was a 970 or 970FX could you?

AppleMatt

is there a way to tell w/o taking the machine/heat sinks apart? system profiler reads:

CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (2.2)

[appleface]

bye bye wires, cables, and clutter! good riddens!

[Photorun]

I'm gonna get a new iMac G5 equipped 10.4 and wireless keyboard and mouse, ALL WHICH HANGS ON THE WALL! :rolleyes:


It's hard to find chairs that hang on the wall too so you can sit down tho.

[silvergunuk]

Would be ACE if you could remove the screen from the iMac3 and use it as a tablet.

[coolfactor]

You think the iMacs will have wireless networking (bluetooth of course) integration built in (airport)? At this point, no computer manufacturer should sell a machine that doesn't - notebook or other.

Honestly, do you need to ask? :p

[arn]

story updated.

iMac G5 = Hangable?

arn

[JoePike]

My sources have told me that Apple will name Mac OSX 10.4 iOfTheTiger. The box will have a huge picture of BA Baracas with a huge golden X hanging from one of his thick golden chains. Don't ask me for anymore information as my source could be sued and possibly fired by Apple.

He also tells me the ipod will be renamed Tarquin as dedication to the British Apple designer Jonathan Ive.

I don't see Steve Jobs stooping to the level of "1-800-COLLECT" advertising by getting Mr. T involved. Tiger will sell quite nicely without 80's catch-phrases, mohawks, and big golden chains. Funny stuff, though.

Also, I am really anxious to see this new case design for the iMac. Aluminum would be cash money. I sure hope they can figure a way to slap a 23" display on one of these bad boys to go along with maybe a 2 ghz G5. Wireless keyboard and mouse would be just gravy, too. Can't wait for next week!

-Joe Pike

[vknid]

Viva la headless iMac!

Maybe one of the reasons Apple has held the release of the new LCD's is because the new iMac G5 will be headless??? I may be wronge (happens all the time), but it's a dream that I'll be holding on to for the next 6 days. :)

[LaMerVipere]

Not even Tiger?

Well that's a given :p

But hardware wise, a new desktop does nothing for me. (But I know that tons of others will buy it! :) )

[Laslo Panaflex]

Sounds almost like the design for the original LCD iMac that Jobs supposedly didn't like, doesn't it?

That's exactly what I was thinking . . .

And, if you can attach a G5 motherboard to a screen, so it can be mounted to a wall, why can't you put it in a laptop? It doesn't make sense to me, why would you put your computer on your wall? A Tablet like device, I can understand, but a computer that you can hang on a wall, why?

I would never use such a device, unless the monitor was at least 30". Anything below 30" would not be of any use, further than say 5 feet away.

[1macker1]

This isnt new. Just get a wireless mouse and keyboard..and BAM, no more cables.
bye bye wires, cables, and clutter! good riddens!

[1macker1]

yeah the point of the iMac was to be able to angle the monitor for best viewing. Having it mounted on a wall is just nonsense. But I wouldnt mind seeing one.
That's exactly what I was thinking . . .

And, if you can attach a G5 motherboard to a screen, so it can be mounted to a wall, why can't you put it in a laptop? It doesn't make sense to me, I really don't think a wall mountable iMac is makes much sense, why would you put your computer on your wall?

[wordmunger]

Of course I know why someone would buy it...I'm referring to the price point to speculate that we shoudln't anticipate much of a price drop on the 23".

My point is that the "power user" will pay a premium for the 30-incher, even if all they "need" is two 23-inchers (or even ONE 23-incher). Even if it were more than double the price of a 23-incher, I suspect a LOT of people will buy.

Some people just need to have the biggest monitor on the block. Heck, who knew so many americans would pony up $10K plus for an HDTV? By comparison, 3 grand for a 30-inch monitor is cheap.

[wordmunger]

That's exactly what I was thinking . . .

And, if you can attach a G5 motherboard to a screen, so it can be mounted to a wall, why can't you put it in a laptop? It doesn't make sense to me, why would you put your computer on your wall? A Tablet like device, I can understand, but a computer that you can hang on a wall, why?

I would never use such a device, unless the monitor was at least 30". Anything below 30" would not be of any use, further than say 5 feet away.

If this thing is, say, in the neighborhood of ten-fifteen pounds, then it might work as a "luggable" home computer, but not as a true laptop. I've actually speculated in the past that that might be the form factor of a new iMac--something that will fit in a stereo rack, but can easily be transported around the house. You might mount it only to use for slide shows, or as an interactive, removable picture frame. Then you take it down and use it like a regular computer.

[Chip NoVaMac]

from AppleInsider



Sounds almost like the design for the original LCD iMac that Jobs supposedly didn't like, doesn't it?

OH MY!@ He is flip flopping. We can't have that! Time for Steve Jobs to go. We canm't have him at the helm. He will lead us to disaster with is flip flopping!

Soory couldn't resist :D

[reckless_0001]

Any word on a Safari v2 announcement?

[iChan]

I would love a 30" cinema display that can double as a TV.

Bang and Olufsen, a company with many similar design sensibilties to Apple, have recently released a 22" LCD display that has a absolutely fabulous speakers built-in, and can be used in conjunction with your computer. (albeit, through VGA, i think). This screen costs 4000€ and worth every penny if you ask me.

a 3000€ 30" apple display that can be hung on a wall and can be used as a TV. would buy it in a heartbeat.

edit: it is, in fact, DVI (The B&O display I mean)

[MM2270]

FWIW, I was on the phone just yesterday with a local Apple rep in sales, looking to get some quotes on a large number of new computers for the company I work for. One of the items we were looking to get was the 20" iMac. When I mentioned it, he basically stated that there was a revision coming at WWDC for the iMac. New form factor and G5, but he said nothing else and I didn't push it.

He told me this, while asking me not to quote him, because he wanted me to know the options that will open up for this system in the next month, not just because he felt like saying it. We are looking to order a number of new systems, so he was being as honest as possible here. He was also pretty certain this was happening at the WWDC Steve-note next week.

Anyway, I know that this is probably old news, but I thought I'd mention that the G5 iMac is a sure bet to be released next week.

[Belly-laughs]

I can see a G5 iMac. That'll happen sooner than later.

3000 bucks for a monitor is just a plain ol waste of money. Only if it is holographic would I drop 3k on a monitor. Or if I were rich...

You should seriously consider animating for money. Food won´t buy you a display :)

[davecuse]

If this thing is, say, in the neighborhood of ten-fifteen pounds, then it might work as a "luggable" home computer, but not as a true laptop. I've actually speculated in the past that that might be the form factor of a new iMac--something that will fit in a stereo rack, but can easily be transported around the house. You might mount it only to use for slide shows, or as an interactive, removable picture frame. Then you take it down and use it like a regular computer.

If they came out with something like this I for one would definitely buy one. It would be cool if it had 2 HD bays, so it could act like a media server too.

[Wonder Boy]

ill be at my local apple store. cant weight.

[Butler Trumpet]

ill be at my local apple store. cant weight.


I think you mean "wait" :)

[macridah]

A new iMac G5 would be lovely. I really don't have the budget for a power mac w/ a the new display, and I can't wait for a powerbook G5.

an iMac G5 has the most potential for my to buy after the WWDC.

I still would love to hear about the new display's and Tiger.

[comictimes]

Does anyone have any idea what's happening with a new ipod? 'cause mine is about a month away from dying completely (I've had it for 2 yrs so far, and it has all sorts of issues with the screen, headphone jack, and firewire port :( ). So, it would be really nice if a new one appeared soon...

[jassa]

So hope it come out on Monday, going to get one if the specs and everything are right and looks good (of course it will its Apple). Anyway I need to sell my iMac G4 if I want to get the new iMac. This is the specs of my iMac:

iMac G4 17" 800 Mhz
512 Ram
80 Gb HD
0S X 10.2.8
iLife 04
Microsoft Office v.X
Photoshop CS
Adobe ImageReady CS
Roxio Toast 5
Age Of Empires II
All of Apples standard software + loads of other stuff.

I was just wondering how much I could get for this if I sold it.

[Lancetx]

from AppleInsider



Sounds almost like the design for the original LCD iMac that Jobs supposedly didn't like, doesn't it?

Precisely. That's why it'll never happen. When Ive went and visited Jobs at his home a sunflower in the garden gave them the inspiration for the design of the current iMac. When the G5 iMac comes, it certainly won't look like a "vertical pizza box."

[må¥å]

Well this Years WWDC we will see alot of hardware and software.

However there is a BIG SURPRISE and that will be Steve Jobs coming out on stage with a White jumper and Bermuda Shorts :p ;) :D :eek:


That would sure shock everyone attending.

[Butler Trumpet]

Well this Years WWDC we will see alot of hardware and software.

However there is a BIG SURPRISE and that will be Steve Jobs coming out on stage with a White jumper and Bermuda Shorts :p ;) :D :eek:


That would sure shock everyone attending.


No AppleInsider said he would be coming out in Speedos :)
(just kidding)

[itsa]

They are doing everything they can to take themselves out of the notebook biz!

[soosy]

I was just wondering how much I could get for this if I sold it.

check on ebay or other used mac resellers (smalldog.com)

[Peyote]

That's exactly what I was thinking . . .

And, if you can attach a G5 motherboard to a screen, so it can be mounted to a wall, why can't you put it in a laptop? It doesn't make sense to me, why would you put your computer on your wall? A Tablet like device, I can understand, but a computer that you can hang on a wall, why?

I would never use such a device, unless the monitor was at least 30". Anything below 30" would not be of any use, further than say 5 feet away.


Who uses their computer when they are 5 feet from it anyway? What's the problem? I'd LOVE a hangable computer, and there would be heat issues, but not nearly as much as when dealing with designig a notebook because A) a Mac that hangs on your wall isn't intended to be a leg warmer, as powerbooks are....i.e., a hangable mac can be hotter because it's not going on your legs. and B) I would want a hangable iMac with at least a 20" screen, preferably a 23" screen...that's a lot more surface area to dissipate heat, and a lot more room inside to install fans, heat pipes, etc. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I could see it happening.


EDIT: Additionally, a hanging iMac doesn't have to be super thin and lightweight like a notebook....there are similarities between a hanging mac and a notebook, but I think there are enough differences to be able to put a G5 into a hangable before being able to put one in a laptop.

[terceiro]

Does anyone have any idea what's happening with a new ipod? 'cause mine is about a month away from dying completely (I've had it for 2 yrs so far, and it has all sorts of issues with the screen, headphone jack, and firewire port :( ). So, it would be really nice if a new one appeared soon...I would be very surprised to see any dramatic changes from the existing iPod. It's a proven winner. They might intorduce something new, or update the existing specs (I mean, everyone needs a billion gig of portable music. Whatever.), but nothing dramatic. I have an original, rev A iPod, which is still going strong. Someday I might replace it, but I have absolute no need to "upgrade" anything about it.

[warcraftmaster]

Precisely. That's why it'll never happen. When Ive went and visited Jobs at his home a sunflower in the garden gave them the inspiration for the design of the current iMac. When the G5 iMac comes, it certainly won't look like a "vertical pizza box."

i want to see jobs and talk with him

[rueyeet]

I just hope there's SOMETHING to chew on besides Tiger. Fur gets stuck in your teeth. :p :D

I like the idea of the hangable computer, actually...until I think about getting up to put in the DVD. Maybe have the media and drives in the keyboard, and then just a wireless connection to the mouse and hangable screen. The ultimate in sofa computing...but definitely not portable. I dunno. There's a lot to work out, there.

I also kinda like the son-of-Spartacus iMac G5 concept, with the internals basically part of the screen and a wireless keyboard and mouse. Cables, schmables! Get rid of the unsightly "box" altogether! Computers can be just the screen and input devices! Genius!! Of course, I can already see all the pissed-off articles from all the people who want a headless iCheap, but I'd be tempted. I'd have to name it Navi, though. :p

Well, we'll know in a week.

[puckhead193]

Is it monday yet? :D I hope they come out with new displays, and maybe a g5 power book (prob. not) How come there's all these rumors about hardware and stuff like that and nuthing about tiger? I mean the hole point of this keynote is for tiger...right... Although i'm not complaining about some new toys to buy :D

[wdlove]

Well this Years WWDC we will see alot of hardware and software.

However there is a BIG SURPRISE and that will be Steve Jobs coming out on stage with a White jumper and Bermuda Shorts :p ;) :D :eek:


That would sure shock everyone attending.

We can be sure that "Tiger" will be discussed. The other certain thing is the he will come out in the black turtle neck and jeans.

[nsb3000]

we can all dream, but we will only find out once wwdc starts!

till then my dreams will be filled with a tablet like apple, as well as a wi-fi enabled iPod.

It is like Christmas morning for use Mac Fanatics...so much to think about, so many possibility. And when it is all over, will we be happy or disappointed? Only time will tell...

[AirUncleP]

Merrill Lynch buy isn't going to make a statement like that unless something is behind it. No way we don't find out more before the 28th.

I remember seeing Apple stock at $12 and thinking maybe I should get some. OUCH!!!

[Windowlicker]

all i'm asking for is new displays and tiger to kick ass (since it won't have a major upgrade for quite a while).

[rog]

Apple should have had the G5 in the iMac when it first came out to increase market share. Given that low end PCs are $400 and run circles around the top G4 iMac, there is no way the iMac or even eMas can compete unless it has a fast G5, and none of this "below 2GHz" BS either. Apple misses another prime opportunity to take the lead in the consumer market.

[Peyote]

Wow...if there's no keynote broadcast...there very well may be no iMac updates.

[DesertDog]

That's exactly what I was thinking . . .

And, if you can attach a G5 motherboard to a screen, so it can be mounted to a wall, why can't you put it in a laptop? It doesn't make sense to me, why would you put your computer on your wall? A Tablet like device, I can understand, but a computer that you can hang on a wall, why?


Why? Easy. What better way would there be to put on in the bathroom? :p

[må¥å]

story updated.

iMac G5 = Hangable?

arn

Curious does this "Hangable" signify the death of iMac, lets see iMac on a roap ;)

Hell its already white why not.

This new iMac might also have a coffee maker, a TV Tuner, PVR, FM radio, who knows the sky is the limit. j/ks :eek: :)

[thatwendigo]

Jesus, not the wireless display and/or headless iMac thing again...

I'm not going to waste a lot of time on debunking it for the umpteenth time, but I will point you people somewhere I've already done it. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=881578&postcount=142) The current market leaders in that technology are charging over $800-1000 just for a screen that's smaller than the current iMacs, and they don't display video while portable.

Apple is brilliant in their application of technology, but this is a developing industry with a LOT of money behind it. If Phillips can't do it all that cheaply, then what in the world makes people think that a brand new piece of technology from Apple is going to suddenly be less expensive?

[nsb3000]

Appleinsider posts a possible description of the case design of the new iMac -- described as a "pizza box" with motherboard vertically mounted behind the display.

The last time we had a "Pizza box" mac was the Powermac 6100. Can't quite imagine that as an imac. I wonder if it is going to have a brushed steel exterior...

All will be answered at WWDC. :eek:

[Lancetx]

i want to see jobs and talk with him

It's Ive as in Jonathan Ive... :p

[Peyote]

Apple should have had the G5 in the iMac when it first came out to increase market share. Given that low end PCs are $400 and run circles around the top G4 iMac, there is no way the iMac or even eMas can compete unless it has a fast G5, and none of this "below 2GHz" BS either. Apple misses another prime opportunity to take the lead in the consumer market.



I'd love to see a PC that has a 15" flatscreen, and everything else that the iMac comes with, that is $400. Even if there was one, I wouldn't buy it! OSX is worth the extra $$ you are paying for hardware....so who cares if you can buy a cheap piece of crap PC for $400. You can also buy a dodge neon SRT really cheaply that will be as fast as a BMW...but (and repeat after me) THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT MARKETS. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Even if Apple HAD released a G5 iMac at the same time as the G5 PM...how's that going to make people stop buying $400 PC's? Who cares about market share. As long as there are enough Mac users to support the company, and as long as the company turns a profit, I'm happy...because that means it will stay in business and make more insanely great products. Why do you and others out there care how many people use Macs? As long as it doesn't effect 3rd party development or profits...who cares! I'm glad apple doesn't ahve something to compete with $400 PC's...if they did we'd start seeing a lot more viruses for OSX.

[Peyote]

Jesus, not the wireless display and/or headless iMac thing again...

I'm not going to waste a lot of time on debunking it for the umpteenth time, but I will point you people somewhere I've already done it. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=881578&postcount=142) The current market leaders in that technology are charging over $800-1000 just for a screen that's smaller than the current iMacs, and they don't display video while portable.

Apple is brilliant in their application of technology, but this is a developing industry with a LOT of money behind it. If Phillips can't do it all that cheaply, then what in the world makes people think that a brand new piece of technology from Apple is going to suddenly be less expensive?


I think what's causing most of the buzz here is the idea of a flat hangable iMac with a wireless keyboard/mouse...not wireless displays.

[Lancetx]

Apple should have had the G5 in the iMac when it first came out to increase market share. Given that low end PCs are $400 and run circles around the top G4 iMac, there is no way the iMac or even eMas can compete unless it has a fast G5, and none of this "below 2GHz" BS either. Apple misses another prime opportunity to take the lead in the consumer market.

When has Apple ever been about "market share"? They're about innovation and creating great products, something a $400 PC will never be confused with being...

[Peyote]

When has Apple ever been about "market share"? They're about innovation and creating great products, something a $400 PC will never be confused with being...


Amen to that. I'm getting tired of hearing buzzwords like "market share" and "price points" thrown around as if the knowledge of the definition of a word gives someone insight into an industry or company. Anyone that compares a $400 PC to an iMac is jsut someone concerned with the bottom line price and nothing else.

[vouder17]

I really doubt we will see a pizza box design, i am thinking more along the lines of a super cool cube like thingy with a display, and ofcourse with a super cool aluminium like enclosure.

Well anyway Go Holland!!!!!!!!!!

DjVoTeZ

PS: only 6 more sleeps.

[SiliconAddict]

story updated.

iMac G5 = Hangable?

arn


I don't like this idea. Hangable displays work when you are at a distance. (e.g. a 30" TV that you are sitting 10 feet away from.) but when you are 2 feet away from the screen you are going to need to angle it esp if you have a family environment where someone may be taller then another. Beyond that is the average person REALLY going to put a hole in the wall to mount their computer? Thanks but I've moved my computer desk 3 times in the last 5 years and the last thing I would want is a anchor in the wall where I last placed my iMac. Or lets say that Apple has their own stand that it hangs on. What's the point other then possibly allowing little Billy to more easily knock over the family computer.
Now maybe an iMac in the form of a cinema display where the easel on the back folds out and locks to keep it upright. with maybe another joint for tilting the screen?

[SiliconAddict]

Amen to that. I'm getting tired of hearing buzzwords like "market share" and "price points" thrown around as if the knowledge of the definition of a word gives someone insight into an industry or company. Anyone that compares a $400 PC to an iMac is jsut someone concerned with the bottom line price and nothing else.


No its someone concerned with the future of Apple and their investment in Apple products. Like it or not market share does indeed matter to developers who look at where their wares have the best chance of selling. Over here with 91% of the market or over here at 3-4% and shrinking.

[CubaTBird]

Remember folks, wasn't iSight introduced at a developer conference? Also the reason they don't want the keynote broadcasted at an apple store is because they know potential buyers of thier imacs/other products would be smart to wait to see what steve would say. Nevertheless, the likely hood that the keynote will be available on apples website later that day is a good chance. :rolleyes:

[Tom800]

I reckon they'll stick some of the innards on the back of the screen (graphics cards, main board, RAM, etc), and keep the drives in a new, shrunken hemisphere. That way it could be easily upgraded and the footprint would be smaller. Imagine a footprint the size of a CD in diameter, all metal, with a slot-loading drive on the front.

You heard it here first.

[ClimbingTheLog]

This is pretty likely. Apple has a habit of coming out with stuff just after I've solved the problem in a less aesthetic way.

iTunes came out right after I finished digitizing my entire collection into .mp2 (doh!). iMovie came out after I finished making video CD's of dozens out hours of tape with a terrible editor. The iPod came out a month after I bought an Archos Jukebox.

And I'm just about finished with making a wireless picure frame for the baby pictures with an old busted-ass laptop and a linux distro. So, the hangable iMac/picture frame must be out on Tuesday.

[MacsRgr8]

I really doubt we will see a pizza box design, i am thinking more along the lines of a super cool cube like thingy with a display, and ofcourse with a super cool aluminium like enclosure.

Well anyway Go Holland!!!!!!!!!!

DjVoTeZ

PS: only 6 more sleeps.

Got to go with ya about "Come on Holland!" :D

And, I also go with the aluminium (or aluminum for US...) enclosure.
Maybe this iMac G5 will be end of "consumer whites" :)

Mr. Ive will never stay with one colo(u)r for ever... ;)

Man, just like last year.. I'm getting pretty excited about the WWDC!

[zedwards]

Repeat after me:
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not

[MacsRgr8]

This is pretty likely. Apple has a habit of coming out with stuff just after I've solved the problem in a less aesthetic way.

iTunes came out right after I finished digitizing my entire collection into .mp2 (doh!). iMovie came out after I finished making video CD's of dozens out hours of tape with a terrible editor. The iPod came out a month after I bought an Archos Jukebox.

And I'm just about finished with making a wireless picure frame for the baby pictures with an old busted-ass laptop and a linux distro. So, the hangable iMac/picture frame must be out on Tuesday.

:D

LOL!

I don't envy you, mate!

[Moonlight]

Viva la headless iMac!


You guys had your chance for a headless iMac, it was the Cube. You didn't buy enough of them, so......."they no come 'round no mo"

[MacsRgr8]

Repeat after me:
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not

Now repeat after me, and louder:

DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes
DUAL G5 Pro, SINGLE G5 iMac yes

[michaelb]

And I'm just about finished with making a wireless picure frame for the baby pictures with an old busted-ass laptop and a linux distro. So, the hangable iMac/picture frame must be out on Tuesday.

Your project sounds good though. Did you use a real picture frame to surround the LCD?

I'm using a Cube connected to an 18" LCD on the mantelpiece to cycle through about 20,000 photos loaded into iPhoto. Works well, though I'd like to have it more "blended into the furniture" if possible.

Any chance of a picture?

[afields]

"pizza box physique"? What is that supposed to mean?

[Moonlight]

"pizza box physique"? What is that supposed to mean?

Sounds like a fat person to me...

[nsb3000]

Remember folks, wasn't iSight introduced at a developer conference? Also the reason they don't want the keynote broadcasted at an apple store is because they know potential buyers of thier imacs/other products would be smart to wait to see what steve would say. Nevertheless, the likely hood that the keynote will be available on apples website later that day is a good chance. :rolleyes:

That does not make sense. Doesn't apple have a eight day "return it and get a the new updated product for free" policy?

Anybody who bought a computer, only to find out that Steve had just introduced a new better computer for less, while they were buying it, and was not allowed to return it, would not feel very good and probably would not buy macs in the future.

[MacsRgr8]

"pizza box physique"? What is that supposed to mean?

First "Pizza Box" (LC) & Second "Pizza Box" (6100):

[PowerMacMan]

Maybe this is of relevance?

Although I would update it to AL and no pinstripes or anything like that and the legs would be different not one big clear leg to seperate the LCD from the desktop... And instead of the clear back thay could make that AL as well or make it all clear plastic (or not) or even colorful, making it a ORIGINAL LCD iMac (so no)... not that either... :confused:

(I cannot take credit for this)

[James.Paul]

I'd go along with the predictions for a G5 iMac and Studio Displays. I think that they are pretty much a certainty. A possible suprise could be the iWrite technology/app? or an update to Appleworks. We haven't heard anything about that iWrite patent for a while. But as it's WWDC we'll also see some releases for the developers. Think Secret are predicting a new release of xCode (1.5). Personally, I am really hoping for a new release of WebObjects. It really does need an interface overhaul and it has been about two years since it had a serious upgrade. It is overdue.

[michaelb]

Am I the only one to point out the obvious here?

I mean, this is the iMac 3 we're talking about.

If Apple is not making the effort to broadcast a STEVENOTE - no satellite feed, no live relays to Apple Stores - then the chances of the iMac 3 being released are much lower.

When it does come, I can see Apple hyping it a bit more than at an unbroadcasted, developers only WWDC. It's not even as if it suits a developer's conference like the pro G5 did.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can see some :( and :mad: faces here if the rumors are illfounded and expectations are over high.

[Photorun]

What the... ? I think the part in this roundup that sticks out the most to me is the potential of not being broadcast, I mean, if not to Apple Stores then can we infer not streaming of it at all? If so that's MAJOR BS on their part. Hell, Apple could charge for viewing and myself and many of my Mac geek friends would drop cash, like a pay-per-view, to see it. To us it's an event!

[jhillestad]

No telecast of the keynote! what gives? They usually always show this conference at the Apple stores and C-band .

[SiliconAddict]

Got to go with ya about "Come on Holland!" :D

And, I also go with the aluminium (or aluminum for US...) enclosure.
Maybe this iMac G5 will be end of "consumer whites" :)


I don't think so. Reason? Apple needs a distinction between its pro line and consumer line. Having a PowerMac G5 look across the board is going to blurr the two. Now maybe that's intended if they do indeed do such a thing. I've never understood the need for two lines. Why not simply have the Mac line of desktops and laptops and have ones that are powerful top of the line and ones that are slower but cheaper, relatively speaking of course. :rolleyes:

[oingoboingo]

Repeat after me:
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not

iSight is about as consumer as it comes, and it was announced at last year's WWDC. Why do Objective C and Java programmers care about a webcam? Apple doesn't seem to mind what it announces at what event, whether it's targeted at creative pros, developers, or consumers. If there's something big to announce (like a G5 iMac), then I think they'll do it at WWDC regardless. Anyway...why wouldn't a G5 iMac make a nice little development system?

[nagromme]

A pizza-box Mac built in behind the flat screen is a very cool idea. If true, I hope an arm-stand is available, though, since that's a very cool thing about the current model. Multiple stand/hanging options would be perfect. I could stand a power brick on the floor just fine, and a slot-load DVD in the side.

I can imagine cable-management issues in a wall-mounted unit, but a few bag ties will clean that up :)

What would be REALLY cool is headless version of that! Oh, wait a minute... there's something Pet Rock about that...

[dongmin]

Details are sketchy, but one source, who has provided accurate information on previous projects, claims that the new iMac will sport a vertical "pizza box" physique with the main logic board mounted vertically behind the computer's LCD screen.

lot of possibilities:

1. the imac could come with a stand/base for people who want it at their desk or come with a wallmount for people who want a flat-screen TV.

2. if it's a wall-mounted, i'd venture to guess that it'll be loaded with multi-media capabilities, e.g. TV-in

3. what the heck to do with the optical drive: if it's wall-mounted, i'd venture to guess that the optical drive will be detached from the display and connected via firewire+usb. maybe it can be in a stereo component form fact and include a HD and various stereo and video in/outs.

[Porchland]

That's exactly what I was thinking . . .

And, if you can attach a G5 motherboard to a screen, so it can be mounted to a wall, why can't you put it in a laptop? It doesn't make sense to me, why would you put your computer on your wall? A Tablet like device, I can understand, but a computer that you can hang on a wall, why?

I would never use such a device, unless the monitor was at least 30". Anything below 30" would not be of any use, further than say 5 feet away.

It would only make sense to me if it was a "smart" monitor of some sort -- TiVo and wireless onboard, tells knock knock jokes, etc.

[MacsRgr8]

I don't think so. Reason?
I gave a bit of a reason.... Ive not wanting to keep to the "consumer whites" for too long (just like a fashion designer).
Maybe not aluminium, but it will be different. The "Bondi" iMac was introduced in 1998. The colourful iMacs a year later, and the "all whites G4" iMac in 2002.
I assume, that a G5 iMac would be "so much of a deal" that the consumer line-up will be revised. The iBook and eMac (both G4) will stay white, but the new G5 consumer products of time to come will certainly be "different".

I have no clue (hey, I'm not Mr. Ive!), but it should be looking gr8!

But you are right about it probably not being aluminium.... We have that now as the "Pro" line-up...

[dongmin]

iSight is about as consumer as it comes, and it was announced at last year's WWDC. Why do Objective C and Java programmers care about a webcam? Apple doesn't seem to mind what it announces at what event, whether it's targeted at creative pros, developers, or consumers. If there's something big to announce (like a G5 iMac), then I think they'll do it at WWDC regardless. Anyway...why wouldn't a G5 iMac make a nice little development system?

Agreed. WWDC has become THE event for the mid-year, now that Apple has pulled out of the MacWorld Expo / CreativePro. The event is for MORE than just developers now.

Plus, a new media-oriented iMac would serve as a good base for third-party additions, whether this be in hardware or software. Just as the iPod (a relatively 'dumb' consumer device) has spawned a whole industry of its own and large following of 'developers,' a revolutionary consumer machine could really excite the developer community.

[grabberslasher]

It would only make sense to me if it was a "smart" monitor of some sort -- TiVo and wireless onboard, tells knock knock jokes, etc.

What!?!? Have you never used Apple's Speakable Items?

"Computer. Tell me a joke."

Why did the chicken cross the road?
To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.

[CubaTBird]

Oh really, if I remember, they DAY the new ibooks were released this guy at my local apple store complained to the store manager saying he just bought it like less than a week before. All the manager said was "pay the 100 dollar restocking fee, and you get ur new ibook, sorry no free exchanges" ;)

[macFanDave]

Apple misses another prime opportunity to take the lead in the consumer market.

More ignorant FUD!

It's NEVER too late. People are replacing their personal computers (this includes PC's (x86 machines running Windows), Macs and Linux boxes) all the time and every time is an opportunity for them to choose whatever platform they want. With some of the most popular usages for consumer personal computers being e-mail and web surfing, it is very easy to switch computers without ditching your investment in software. Of course with gaming being another popular usage, it's possible that users are locked in to the platform their games are written for.

Nevertheless, history has shown that companies with insurmountable leads tend to become complacent and allow competitors to sneak up on them. Safari came out of nowhere to blow away IE on the Mac platform. Mozilla-based products, Opera and others are starting to challenge IE on its home platform.

iPods were not the first MP3 players available and the iTunes Music Store wasn't the first to sell music on the Internet, but as soon as they appeared, Apple became to leader in digital music.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to predict Apple's future based on wringing your hands over perceived missed opportunites (I'm surprised you haven't bloviated about Apple's absence in the PDA market. It's because Steve was smart (like me ;-) ) and thought that it was just a passing fad -- and it was.) Never underestimate Apple's ability to do the extraordinary, even if it with an item that is very plain in it's current form. It's similar to the secret of Jerry Seinfeld's comedy success: he takes topics that lots of other comedians treat and does them in his own inimitable style and creates something really funny.

[Peyote]

No its someone concerned with the future of Apple and their investment in Apple products. Like it or not market share does indeed matter to developers who look at where their wares have the best chance of selling. Over here with 91% of the market or over here at 3-4% and shrinking.


Like I said in a previous post, as long as it doesn't effect third party development or profits, market share is just so much meaningless wall street jargon, thrown around way more than it should be. I guess by your logic, Nobody should buy a BMW because you'd never be able to get a new set of rims if you wanted some down the road...nobody makes the rims for BMW because they only have whatever % of the market. Yeah, obviously market share matters just as much as everyone hypes it up to mean. Market share is only relevent when you are talking about a single market. To me, Apple isn't in the same market as PC makers. Apple makes high end computers...therefore, in my estimation, Apple has a 65% market share of high end computers. Like I said, as long as we can buy macs, and products for macs, what do we care about amrket share? just be happy that you have a mac and don't be concerned with what everyone else in the world uses.


EDIT: By the way, did you actually READ the post you are referring to? The guy says "Apple misses another opportunity to take the lead in the consumer computer market"....Um yeeeaaaah...he's talking about third party development like you claim.

[noel4r]

MAYBE the difference in price between the 23" and 30" is because you can hang the 30" on your wall and wirelessly transmit DVD movies from your Apple.

[johnnowak]

I would love that iMac. Few of my audio apps utilize duels, and I rarely run more than one at once.

I am, however, getting my CPU's ass kicked in by Max/MSP/Jitter.

Bring on the G5 iMacs. I will sell my Powerbook that day.

[ultrafiel]

i just took delivery on a rev. b dual 1.8 w/ 256mb ram (upgraded it myself to 1.25 gigs), 80 gig hd (slapped in another 200 gig sata for video), 128mb ati 9600XT, logitech mx900 bluetooth mouse and logitech z-2200 thx speakers- a new 20" apple lcd is all i need to complete this awesome system!!!

previous to the dual g5, i'd been using a latest rev 17" imac... wow... what a difference. both great machines, but the dual is just unbelievable.

anyone else get their new rev. bs? what do you think?

I did close to the same as you, but I have the rev B dual 2.0 Ghz. Put in a gig of RAM, the 9600XT, and then bluetooth and Airport Extreme, I have a mx500 mouse, another 200 GB HD, and altec lansing speakers. If the new 20" is under $1000 I'll most likely get it. It beats the pants off the G4 450 I was using. Man, sometimes it's good that girls don't make up their minds quick because if they did I'd be married and I couldn't get all this stuff. :rolleyes:

[Peyote]

MAYBE the difference in price between the 23" and 30" is because you can hang the 30" on your wall and wirelessly transmit DVD movies from your Apple.


Well if there's going to be any wireless transmitting to a display, I doubt it will just be DVD movies...why not transmit the whole display signal if you are already transmitting the movie? Then the movie gets shown anyway, but the display becomes even that much more functional

[joeboy_45101]

Argh! I'm pissed! I was going to make a special trip to the AppleStore just to watch the keynote. What the hell is going on!, I mean if Apple was going to show off so much good stuff then why aren't they broadcasting it in the stores. :mad:

[afields]

First "Pizza Box" (LC) & Second "Pizza Box" (6100):

Hopefully they can do better than that. Not exactly eye-catching

[CubaTBird]

You could always watch the rebroadcast later on apples website...... Of course, then it wouldn't be live...... :o

[joeboy_45101]

Maybe Jobs is going to step down? :confused: That could be a reason for not broadcasting it in the stores, so that rioting won't break out. :eek:

[CubaTBird]

Wow, that would be serious bust. Look at what happend the minute Ted Wait left..... Even when he came back, he couldn't bring the company back afloat. Wait, doesn't Ted Wait look a lot like James Tyler? :p

[applekid]

So, the iMac is going to be similar looking to the 20th Anniversary Mac minus the subwoofer?

That's how I'm imagining it.

Here's what I think it'll look like, about take a PowerMac G5 case and adding a LCD for a side panel. Of course, I think it'll be significantly smaller than a G5 case. Open it on the other side of the LCD and upgrade RAM and toss in your AE card.

But this opens up another opportunity... it may make the iMac upgradable! If it has a case similar to a PowerMac, I'm sure we can toss in PCI-X cards and finally change that graphics card! If they make a nice narrow case, and perhaps make it hang-able, I think this iMac will be the best yet. Of course, make the price right, Apple! $1299 base at maximum and up to $1799 should be a nice deal, right?

I'm sure going to miss the neck on the current iMacs. This iMac has made the whole OS X experience great. But now, it may all be gone :(

Most importantly, Apple should release some sort of new device we can all use. I'd like to buy one Apple product this year that isn't software. Here's to hoping at least Tiger will amaze us!

[mrkstu]

When you haven't heard anything from Apple about an important technology for awhile, its usually because they are working on a product with that tech involved. I think Airport Express was an important clue to Apple's direction. Wireless. Integrating into the Media Creation home environment means working with video as well as audio. To me that means DVD. A wireless keyboard and mouse means you can make the Mac invisible and the Mac becomes its interface, as it always was meant to be. The Mac has always been its interface- the hardware necessarily elegant because you couldn't hide it. Now that Wireless is here, its time to intro wireless FIREWIRE! Just as the first iMac made the transition to USB, this one will move totally into the wireless realm. So this allows:

1. Making the DVD burner a wireless component that you can hook up to your entertainment center- maybe move a TiVo style recording interface to your Mac that controls the component.

2. This DVD component is controlled by a remote that also controlls Airport Express! The DVD component neccesarily has video out already- it can show its control messages on the TV screen.

3. Invisible Mac- It can hang on the back of your big screen LCD or anywhere else that makes it not noticable at all- ultimately I don't care about the box- as long as I can upgrade the RAM easily, I'd prefer it to be invisible.

If this isn't what Apple is doing- it should be!!!

[ryanw]

I don't feel like reading through all the comments, has anyone mentioned the new Spoken Interface for OSX 10.4 (tiger?)

http://www.apple.com/accessibility/spokeninterface/

[Cooknn]

Can anyone say set top box from apple?Yeah Baby :D I posted this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=898260#post897602) before I read your post. Glad someone else has the same train of thought. How about a Hi-Def iMovie Store!

[noel4r]

I wonder how pissed off everybody would be if they only preview Tiger and not announce a G5 iMac and updated displays.

[applekid]

Yeah Baby :D I posted this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=898260#post897602) before I read your post. Glad someone else has the same train of thought. How about a Hi-Def iMovie Store!

Don't go there! Lately, the iTMS is very slow. It may because of the new European customers or just all of the content, but I get errors and slow loads every time. Apple should upgrade their iTMS server farm before they even bother to think about selling movies. Remember, Steve, you made the claim Apple could move oceans of data, but it sure isn't showing anymore.

[MattB]

from AppleInsider Sounds almost like the design for the original LCD iMac that Jobs supposedly didn't like, doesn't it?

Exactly! Steve also said that verticle mounting of optical drives and hard drives slows their speed. We might see a combination with the mobo and graphics cards vertically mounted behind the screen with the drives mounted horizontally beneath it. Kinda like the TAM, but a little different...I'd like to see widescreen 17" and 20" LCDs.

[rdowns]

My sources have told me that Apple will name Mac OSX 10.4 iOfTheTiger. The box will have a huge picture of BA Baracas with a huge golden X hanging from one of his thick golden chains. Don't ask me for anymore information as my source could be sued and possibly fired by Apple.



I love it when a plan comes together.

[Nordmann]

What about the idea of an "bottom less" iMac, an Imac that looks like a flat panel screen (maybe a bit thicker), which also can be wall mounted... and of course, controlled by apple's wireless keyboard and mouse. It wouldn't take up much space,

Isn't that kind of what the rumor sais?

My first post!! Congrats to myself :D

[Butler Trumpet]

I remember watching the past 3 keynotes live on the net... they had better have it this year. And if you go here http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf04/ , he even says that there are over 60,000 people watching at that moment So it had better be live or Im pissed!!!

[CubaTBird]

As they say, reality bites. :o

[ccroo]

i just took delivery on a rev. b dual 1.8 w/ 256mb ram (upgraded it myself to 1.25 gigs), 80 gig hd (slapped in another 200 gig sata for video), 128mb ati 9600XT, logitech mx900 bluetooth mouse and logitech z-2200 thx speakers- a new 20" apple lcd is all i need to complete this awesome system!!!

previous to the dual g5, i'd been using a latest rev 17" imac... wow... what a difference. both great machines, but the dual is just unbelievable.

anyone else get their new rev. bs? what do you think?

I just got an "old" 2.0 and put in a 250 gig drive for video editing as well... Can't wait to use it... I had to take it back for diagnosis/repair... I gotta 20" Cinema Display and it's beautiful... shows two DV frames at 100% plus side to side...

[applekid]

Apple really needs to return to doing live broadcasts of Steve's keynote. Not that MacRumors and the ChaosMint gives us a bad presentation, but I prefer hearing what Steve has to say.

Anybody have a satellite? Perhaps you wouldn't holding a WWDC '04 Party ;)

Actually, we don't even know if Apple is going to make a satellite broadcast.

[LaMerVipere]

People upset about the Keynote possibly not being broadcast need not worry, I am sure it will be.

Doesn't Apple usually announce whether it will be broadcast, pretty close to the actual date of WWDC? Like a day or two before? That's what I always remember.

[Rantipole]

iMac G5?
A newer report has claimed that the new iMac will have a case redesign and incorporate a wireless keyboard and mouse.

:eek: Champing at the bit! Hurry up already!!!

[puckhead193]

What no broadcast!....What BS

[jjmaximum]

A wild-ass guess for the trim of the new iMac to be wood...like the edges of GarageBand windows and the interior of a BMW? Hard to imagine what it would look like...but it would definitely be different.

[LaMerVipere]

A wild-ass guess for the trim of the new iMac to be wood...like the edges of GarageBand windows and the interior of a BMW? Hard to imagine what it would look like...but it would definitely be different.

That might be kind of cool actually! :) Though my guess is that most people here wouldn't approve lol

[h'biki]

I can see a G5 iMac. That'll happen sooner than later.

3000 bucks for a monitor is just a plain ol waste of money. Only if it is holographic would I drop 3k on a monitor. Or if I were rich...

... or if you worked in a 'visual' industry (design/video) and you often started instensly at a display for 14+ hours a day.

My car is worth less than $2000. I use it for what, an average of 14 hours a week? Perhaps more? I can use a monitor for that many hours in a day. For me, I see no reason in buying a fancy car, but I can see very good reason for me wanting to drop money on a nice display that'll keep me from getting eyestrain.

Horses for courses.

[rog]

More ignorant FUD!

It's NEVER too late. People are replacing their personal computers (this includes PC's (x86 machines running Windows), Macs and Linux boxes) all the time and every time is an opportunity for them to choose whatever platform they want. With some of the most popular usages for consumer personal computers being e-mail and web surfing, it is very easy to switch computers without ditching your investment in software. Of course with gaming being another popular usage, it's possible that users are locked in to the platform their games are written for.

Nevertheless, history has shown that companies with insurmountable leads tend to become complacent and allow competitors to sneak up on them. Safari came out of nowhere to blow away IE on the Mac platform. Mozilla-based products, Opera and others are starting to challenge IE on its home platform.

iPods were not the first MP3 players available and the iTunes Music Store wasn't the first to sell music on the Internet, but as soon as they appeared, Apple became to leader in digital music.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to predict Apple's future based on wringing your hands over perceived missed opportunites (I'm surprised you haven't bloviated about Apple's absence in the PDA market. It's because Steve was smart (like me ;-) ) and thought that it was just a passing fad -- and it was.) Never underestimate Apple's ability to do the extraordinary, even if it with an item that is very plain in it's current form. It's similar to the secret of Jerry Seinfeld's comedy success: he takes topics that lots of other comedians treat and does them in his own inimitable style and creates something really funny.


Blah Blah Blah. Developers are leaving the Mac. It's just a fact. Norton abandoned it's (albeit buggy) Tools recently. Adobe Framemaker, Premiere, etc. Apps come out later or not at all on the Mac, and the problem is getting worse, not better, or they run far slower than they do on PCs (e.g. Office 2004). Market share is crucial in long term viability of Apple and OSX, because developers want to not just profit, but have their profits grow by selling on a growing platform. It is getting more and more difficult for developers to justify supporting OSX. I don't want them to abandon the Mac, but some are. That is why I am concerned with market share. No, I was not comparing an iMac to a $400 PC, but many consumers will. If they even consider a mac (and most don't) they'll look first at price and see that they can get a PC with an LCD for less than an iMac or about the same as an eMac which comes with a blurry, unusable CRT. Apple needs a huge reason to draw people away from PCs, and blow people away speed can be one of them, and it's an opportunity they continue to miss, and it doesn't help their position in the market. Why be apologists for Apple? Constructive criticism is much more valuable than blind praise.

[Prom1]

Because it's 30 bleeping inches! What other reason do you need? Why does anyone need a Hummer when a VW Jetta or a Smart Car will get you there just as well? It's bragging rights, it's machismo, it's the American Way.

I suppose there are also practical reasons: if you wanted your monitor to double as your DVD-viewing screen, if you had limited desk space, if you need to work on very large images. But mainly it's to say "mine's bigger."

Nah I just wanna watch a horror flick up close & personal so that when the victim is dead-center and I'm viewing their back and the villian sneaks up from behind left/right I can have the be-JESUS scared outta me DIRECTLY as IF I was the victim!! Couple that with 5.1 S/PDIF speakers on the G5 and then call me paranoid afterwards!!!! :cool:

iMac G5 would seriously bring on more G5 aware apps on a consumer & corporate level to challenge 64-bit corporate environments already not pierced by MACs!

Me unless it ships immediately the G5 PowerMac will still be mine end of summer.!!!

[2A Batterie]

Are we going to do Stonehedge tomorrow?

[Tulse]

eMac which comes with a blurry, unusable CRT.

We've got about 15 eMacs in our office, and apart from a few early models, which did have obvious display problems, they've been beautiful machines. I can't recommend them highly enough.

[gothamac]

Am I the only one who can't read all the post anymore?

[nexusfx]

Well this is my first post here so first off I'd like to say, "I think we all need to get a life", or more money to buy the machines we really want. That way, we don't have to spend as much time speculating on new releases we can only dream about having in our homes.

That having been said, "Time to Speculate", cause I'm broke and have nothing better to do.

iMac G5's

Based on this info I've read throughout all these sights I'd say we are going to get our iMac G5's. Basically this means that it will have to be redesigned because that processor will not go into the current designs, they're just a little small for that. The whole "Pizza Box" theory sounds like the right way to make this product, cause not only would it work, it would look damn slick too. Think about an iMac you could fold like a notebook (not like a Powerbook, but more of just an easier way to carry to a friends house and use) I could see a slot loading CD-RW Combo in the low end model and slot-loading DVD-R in the mid and high end models.

Final thoughts on this, The whole folding thing I'm sure will get some flak, but thats a far out prediction I'm basing off of how I think it will look, it would consume too much power to be used while traveling obviously. There's other factors too but for now I'll leave that to criticism.

Low End 15"
1.4Ghz G5
256MB DDR333 RAM
60 GB Hard Drive
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive
Built in Bluetooth
Wireless Keyboard and Mouse

Mid 17" Widescreen
1.6Ghz G5
256MB DDR333 RAM
80 GB Hard Drive
DVD-R 8x
Built in Bluetooth
Wireless Keyboard and Mouse

Mid 20" Widescreen
1.6Ghz G5
256MB DDR333 RAM
160 GB Hard Drive
DVD-R 8x
Built in Bluetooth
Wireless Keyboard and Mouse

Displays

This is pretty much a given at this point I think, you think the iMacs are overdue, nothin compares to these. I simply have to say that ThinkSecret "probably" has nailed this one DEAD ON! NO MORE ADC (but I'm sure they will make a cheaper ADC to DVI cable for like 39.99 if you want dual displays on your current PowerMac). Firewire for HDTV Boxes, and of course USB for whatever else you want to hook up.

Final thoughts on this, I didn't have much to say on the displays cause I think it's inevitable. I would like to say something to the people who were dissapointed about the graphics cards for the new line of G5's. It may seem like they put some sub par graphics cards in the new line (and they did, 5200's YEASH!) BUUUUT! if what I'm saying and what the reports are saying is true and ADC is goin' bye bye, we should get graphiccs cards as soon as PC's do in the future, WHY, they don't have to remanufacture the damn cards to work off ADC, they can just put in firmware that allows the Apple to use the card as well, and since the G5's already have PCI-X the sky will be the limit. Though they will probably remake the cards all with dual DVI ports if the PC release doesn't have it, but how often should that happen with the advancement of video cards now, not too often. So I say deal with it now, if the new display rumors are true, we shouldn't have to worry about not having the most awesome video cards in the future.

I just hope I'm right.

700Mhz G4 iMac 15"
512MB RAM
160 7200 RPM Internal Drive
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive

"It just works"

[mklos]

ill be at my local apple store. cant weight.

I don't think it will be telecasted in ANY Apple Store this year, which sucks! I usually watch it on a C-Band Dish and it doesn't look like it will be broadcasted on that either! Kinda pisses you off!

I'm on dialup so I can't use the QuickTime Stream. Hey Steve, how about us people on dialup here! I don't have a choice but to use dialup because I live in the sticks!

[macFanDave]

Blah Blah Blah. Developers are leaving the Mac. It's just a fact.
You're wrong. Some of the losers are leaving, but some very interesting new ones are coming over to the Mac. I'm sure you've never heard of Parasolid, but it is a very important development that the latest version is available for OS X.

Norton abandoned it's (albeit buggy) Tools recently. Adobe Framemaker, Premiere, etc. Apps come out later or not at all on the Mac, and the problem is getting worse, not better, or they run far slower than they do on PCs (e.g. Office 2004).
Norton products have been a joke on the Mac for many years and are getting clobbered on the Windows side as well. Citing their departure shows what kind of fool you are. Our lives are better without them. Premiere left because Final Cut Pro beat the hell out of it. The last I heard about a quarter of Adobe's revenue came from Mac products which doesn't jibe with that mythical market-share figure you obsess about. Office 2004 for the Mac has many features that are not available to Windows users. I don't know how fast you type, but current Macs run Office apps at perfectly acceptable speeds.

Why be apologists for Apple? Constructive criticism is much more valuable than blind praise. It may be, but you didn't provide any. You simply spewed the standard "Mac is dead" line. I, on the other hand, gave concrete arguments that praised Apple. Informed praise is INFINITELY more valuable than ignorant, bigoted spew.

[Sabbath]

Agreed. WWDC has become THE event for the mid-year, now that Apple has pulled out of the MacWorld Expo / CreativePro. The event is for MORE than just developers now.

That's the point, WWDC has evolved with the decline of the NY expo, Apple said it didn't want to go back to Boston which is probably an easy get out clause. I expect to see consumer announcements at WWDC in the main an iMac G5 and displays. WWDC is more than just a keynote, the developers have time for developer news etc after the keynote. The keynote can give the conference a big launch and that can involve announcements.

[Butler Trumpet]

I don't think it will be telecasted in ANY Apple Store this year, which sucks! I usually watch it on a C-Band Dish and it doesn't look like it will be broadcasted on that either! Kinda pisses you off!

I'm on dialup so I can't use the QuickTime Stream. Hey Steve, how about us people on dialup here! I don't have a choice but to use dialup because I live in the sticks!

I was on dial up the last 3 years, and the quick time stream worked alright. Its from apple so its very reliable. Now that Im using cable internet though, I cant wait!!! its going to be awesome!! :rolleyes:

[Sabbath]

I was on dial up the last 3 years, and the quick time stream worked alright. Its from apple so its very reliable. Now that Im using cable internet though, I cant wait!!! its going to be awesome!! :rolleyes:

I think quite a few people, me included, found the MWSF stream not too great this year. I think there was just a massive demand for it, and maybe this is the reason for no stream now.

It seems a little strange not to offer the keynote in store as usual however, although maybe we are still a little to early for those details yet.

[virividox]

id love to see the displays, im not too keen on a pizza box tho

[brooklyn]

Seems that Dell got wind of Apple’s rumored iMac with main logic board mounted vertically behind the computer's LCD screen and released their new OptiPlex with simular feature. (http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/optiplex/dell_sx280.htm)

[Lepton]

Forget pizza box. Think high end audio receiver. You put the computer with your consumer A/V stuff. You have a 12 foot cable that runs to your 30" Apple HDTV/Computer monitor. Macs already have everythign needed for this type of thing, digital/optical audio 5.1 I/O, DVD player... That 30" needs and all-new graphics card, why not one with good HDTV ability. Add a slot for those cable TV decoder cards. Add more audio/video inputs and outputs on the back of the box with computer controlled switching. Add a small display and some knobs on the front of the box. Add TiVo-like record/playback. Add a WiFi iPod that works as a remote. Now there's a good system.

[aswitcher]

Putting the processor "in" the bakc of the screen does maintain one issue, that of screens living beyond their processors life span of usability. This has been a limitation of the current iMac range. I do hope that the processor / board can be easily "detached" from the screen back and replaced by faster "brains" after a few years. That would be a very attractive option.

As for the pizza base. I think the large footprint will be needed to allow for stability, keeping the weight of the units down on the current 20".

I also think the 15" will be gone...17" widescreen coming in as standard.

I do wonder if they will produce a 23".

Obvcously now the battery is in screen as well...I wonder if the drives will be as well...

The wall hanging idea has some very interesting long term protential for macs.

As a machines usefulness to run processor demanding software deminishes over the years the iMac can still live on in another role in the household when a new machine is bought. Older machines will end up as secondary monitors, "painting/picture" frames to display photos and video, music etc, wireless network machines to view simple apps like email, cooking, play lists etc...

An interesting development if true

[Rantipole]

A wild-ass guess for the trim of the new iMac to be wood...like the edges of GarageBand windows and the interior of a BMW? Hard to imagine what it would look like...but it would definitely be different.
Hmmmm! Wasn't the first Apple computer trimmed in wood!? ;)





(That said, I doubt it will be trimmed in wood.)

[dizastor]

Seems that Dell got wind of Apple’s rumored iMac with main logic board mounted vertically behind the computer's LCD screen and released their new OptiPlex with simular feature. (http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/optiplex/dell_sx280.htm)

wow that thing is fugly.
I know apple would create a more elegant solution...
of course there is the whole "stuff your ipod in the glovebox" thing.

[Wonder Boy]

man. i hope the broadcast it. i really wanted to be at the apple store.

[aafuss1]

Seems that Dell got wind of Apple’s rumored iMac with main logic board mounted vertically behind the computer's LCD screen and released their new OptiPlex with simular feature. (http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/optiplex/dell_sx280.htm)
I went to the site-and seems the Dell Optiplex SX280 is PCI express based and uses DDR2 memory (the i915G chipset).

[MikeTheC]

When you haven't heard anything from Apple about an important technology for awhile, its usually because they are working on a product with that tech involved. I think Airport Express was an important clue to Apple's direction. Wireless. Integrating into the Media Creation home environment means working with video as well as audio. To me that means DVD. A wireless keyboard and mouse means you can make the Mac invisible and the Mac becomes its interface, as it always was meant to be.

Ding ding ding! I think you may have something here. Something you may not be aware of is that, when Steve Jobs said he thought their only real competition was Sony, you need to understand this man knows what he is talking about. However, it is important to understand Steve's frame of reference, too.

Sony's VAIO line of computers includes the V and W series which are basically what many here describe: an LCD panel with a computer strapped on the back. The one series has a built-in swing-out style keyboard, and the other one has a wireless keyboard-and-mouse combo. Sony also produces something called "RoomLink" which is targeted at wireless 802.11b broadcast from a central server system running either GigaPocket or Windows Media Center. That means you can use the PC as your repository and then dump (real-time or pre-recorded) video and/or audio to a TV, etc.

When I saw the Airport Express the other day, the first thing that came to mind is that Steve is now going head-to-head with Sony. Sony has "convergence" on the mind big-time, and Apple has often espoused such thinking, too.

The Mac has always been its interface- the hardware necessarily elegant because you couldn't hide it. Now that Wireless is here, its time to intro wireless FIREWIRE! Just as the first iMac made the transition to USB, this one will move totally into the wireless realm. So this allows:

1. Making the DVD burner a wireless component that you can hook up to your entertainment center- maybe move a TiVo style recording interface to your Mac that controls the component.

2. This DVD component is controlled by a remote that also controlls Airport Express! The DVD component neccesarily has video out already- it can show its control messages on the TV screen.

3. Invisible Mac- It can hang on the back of your big screen LCD or anywhere else that makes it not noticable at all- ultimately I don't care about the box- as long as I can upgrade the RAM easily, I'd prefer it to be invisible.

If this isn't what Apple is doing- it should be!!!

Again, this is consistent with Apple going after Sony's market. It makes a lot of marketing sense because the people who buy Sony PCs (for the most part, Sony's low-end PCs notwithstanding) are buying a premium brand at a premium price. If Apple can suddenly make Sony look dated, they could go after the same customers. It would also put Apple in a position to go head-to-head with Microsoft over their Windows Media Center Edition.

I'm going to expound on what I think in my next post.

[dizastor]

I think the wooden iMac may be the right idea! then not only could we have levels of processor speed but also wood grades for the case :

Examples:
iMac G5 1.8ghz
available in the following finishes:
Oak, Cedar, Maple, Cherry, and Burled Walnut

And they could run an ad campaign like:
"How hard is your computer's wood?"

[/end psychotic babble]

[thatwendigo]

Integrating into the Media Creation home environment means working with video as well as audio. To me that means DVD.

There is no wireless standard being manufactured that can even remotely touch DVD video at this point. Not even 802.15.3, the standard that is being pushed as a next-generation replacement for 802.11, is up to the task. The newer system will start at 55Mbit/s and hopefully scale to 200-400Mbit/s within two years. At that point, it could stream as fast as a wired FireWire (IEEE1394a) or USB2.0 connection but not power the device at the other end. This is a bandwidth and power problem, not a system engineering one.

Now that Wireless is here, its time to intro wireless FIREWIRE! Just as the first iMac made the transition to USB, this one will move totally into the wireless realm. So this allows:

Will you people please read up on what "wireless FireWire' is before you say things like this? "FireWire" is a transmission protocol that runs over IEEE1394 cabling, and which doesn't use traditional TCP/IP packet handling to transfer data. It's intended for media streaming, which is why Apple uses it for the iPod and camera companies include it on their devices.

The problem? A first-generation IEEE1394 cable can carry at least 400Mbit/s of data, which makes it almost eight times as fast as the quickest wireless standard. That doesn't even start to touch on the IEEE1394b, or FireWire 800, speeds of 800Mbit/s.

1. Making the DVD burner a wireless component that you can hook up to your entertainment center- maybe move a TiVo style recording interface to your Mac that controls the component.

This would be ridiculously slow and laggy, not to mention insecure, because there is no production wireless interface that can handle DVD video. If you think DVD encoding is slow now, this would take it about eighteen steps backwards.

3. Invisible Mac- It can hang on the back of your big screen LCD or anywhere else that makes it not noticable at all- ultimately I don't care about the box- as long as I can upgrade the RAM easily, I'd prefer it to be invisible.

Unless you're willing to accept a lot of noise, a lot of expense, or a G4, I just don't see this happening. Say that you cut an xServe in half and got a box that was 2 inches thick by 9 inches wide by 28 inches long (fudge that around a bit, but that's cutting the width in half for argument's sake)... What you get is one G5 processor, a lot of noise, an OLD PCI graphics card, and not a whole lot else. You can either run the fans constantly to exhaust the case, or perhaps Apple could include some kind of liquid system once more, but it wouldn't be all that cheap.

I'm stepping back from my claims that the iMac G5 couldn't be done, since the situation has changed. The 970FX is apparently in quantity now, and the use of liquid cooling changes the whole game from the ground up. However, I don't expect anything like a pricedrop unless the display is completely removed, and that means no hideously expensive wireless display.

[MikeTheC]

My take on where Apple could/maybe should go with it's products:

If Apple sells a larger (or even same-sized) version of it's current LCD line-up and adds 802.11b/g to it, then without even having to strap a computer to it, one can have most, if not all, of what many of you are thinking and wanting.

802.11b is just about fast enough to send video and audio. If you use 802.11g instead, you now have a more robust interface for this. It so happens that another company (don't remember the name) is selling for about $2000 a 802.11b/g system that lets you watch TV. Sony is putting out a product somewhere around $1300 or $1400 that will let you do that and surf the web. Apple could easilly trump both of these offerings by simply tying the monitor into a full-fledged Mac. You could then have a Mac-on-a-wall as some of you have said, a tv-on-a-wall as others have said, and a web & email-on-a-wall as others still have said.

Personally, I don't think Apple would be wise to simply reinvent TiVo. They would lose the leverage by not giving access to full Mac technology (that is, the OS and apps) as well. Besides, with Airport Extreme, what's to say you couldn't do the reverse and put a COAX, et al, interface on the monitor and then record TV on your Mac?

If you want to play a DVD or record to DVD, why not have a WiFirewire drive somewhere handy, say on the end-table next to you? How about headphones done through WiFi?

Apple wants to always brag about how they have the best multimedia integration, and this would be a chance to show just that. I can't afford it right now, but I sure would be interested if Apple were to offer this kind of product. Right now, I'm building a house, and it would be cool as heck to toss a 30" LCD up on the living room wall and know I could watch and record TV, use Rendesvous to stream it to any Mac in the house, and have a dedicated Mac some place where I could then play back DVDs, etc., wirelessly. One could also have 802.11g connections for the sound system, thereby eliminating almost all wiring, and keep all wiring that remains local (that is, power plugs and such).

[windowsblowsass]

Hmmmm! Wasn't the first Apple computer trimmed in wood!? ;)





(That said, I doubt it will be trimmed in wood.)
actually it was made entirely of wood(the case) having said that no no wood trimed ipod

[MikeTheC]

There is no wireless standard being manufactured that can even remotely touch DVD video at this point. Not even 802.15.3, the standard that is being pushed as a next-generation replacement for 802.11, is up to the task. The newer system will start at 55Mbit/s and hopefully scale to 200-400Mbit/s within two years. At that point, it could stream as fast as a wired FireWire (IEEE1394a) or USB2.0 connection but not power the device at the other end. This is a bandwidth and power problem, not a system engineering one.

Hmmm... Interesting points. However, Sony IS doing this, albeit to a much lesser extent.

This would be ridiculously slow and laggy, not to mention insecure, because there is no production wireless interface that can handle DVD video. If you think DVD encoding is slow now, this would take it about eighteen steps backwards.

I hadn't really thought about the "insecure" part of this, but yeah, now that you mention it, you're right. Hollywood would probably shoot Apple if they let insecure WiFi broadcasts of movies and music go on.

[sfwalter]

Seems that Dell got wind of Apple’s rumored iMac with main logic board mounted vertically behind the computer's LCD screen and released their new OptiPlex with simular feature. (http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/optiplex/dell_sx280.htm)

That Dell is one of the ugliest pc's I've ever seen.

[MikeTheC]

FYI:

PCV-V300G (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=PT8Yl3BGTgMZgzCe2mwSnD9WwwiEUBoCHHs=?ProductSKU=PCVV300GKIT1&Dept=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers&CategoryName=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers_VSeries)

Love the notion of the Mac "sporting wood". That would sure be a hot topic for Mac and PC users to debate... heh heh heh...

[CubaTBird]

the new ipods will be, WATER PROOF! :D

[crowdaddy]

That Dell is one of the ugliest pc's I've ever seen.
I agree. Looks like a grey brief case tacked on to an LCD.

[PowerMacMan]

That Dell is one of the ugliest pc's I've ever seen.

I agree! Do they honestly try to make them ugly... :confused:

[mrkstu]

There is no wireless standard being manufactured that can even remotely touch DVD video at this point. Not even 802.15.3, the standard that is being pushed as a next-generation replacement for 802.11, is up to the task. The newer system will start at 55Mbit/s and hopefully scale to 200-400Mbit/s within two years. At that point, it could stream as fast as a wired FireWire (IEEE1394a) or USB2.0 connection but not power the device at the other end. This is a bandwidth and power problem, not a system engineering one.

Will you people please read up on what "wireless FireWire' is before you say things like this? "FireWire" is a transmission protocol that runs over IEEE1394 cabling, and which doesn't use traditional TCP/IP packet handling to transfer data. It's intended for media streaming, which is why Apple uses it for the iPod and camera companies include it on their devices.

The problem? A first-generation IEEE1394 cable can carry at least 400Mbit/s of data, which makes it almost eight times as fast as the quickest wireless standard. That doesn't even start to touch on the IEEE1394b, or FireWire 800, speeds of 800Mbit/s.

This would be ridiculously slow and laggy, not to mention insecure, because there is no production wireless interface that can handle DVD video. If you think DVD encoding is slow now, this would take it about eighteen steps backwards.


Read up? How bout this from MacRumors:


The 1394 Trade Association has approved a specification which would allow the development of wireless Firewire devices.
The new Protocol Adaptation Layer (PAL) for IEEE 1394 over IEEE 802.15.3 was approved Monday. In a statement, the trade association said: ?The PAL is designed as a standard convergence layer between the 802.15.3 MAC and applications developed for wired 1394. It builds upon the 1394 infrastructure--for example, data formats, connection-management schemes, and time synchronization procedures--and takes advantage of the excellent quality of service available in 802.15.3.?

Examples of new products with the new specification include wireless connections to DVD players and hard drives from set top boxes. Prototype products are expected before the end of the year.

Apple has been an early adopter of Firewire, so adoption of this technology could be expected.


Think different... :rolleyes:

[mklos]

I was on dial up the last 3 years, and the quick time stream worked alright. Its from apple so its very reliable. Now that Im using cable internet though, I cant wait!!! its going to be awesome!! :rolleyes:

Well you probably didn't get a maximum connection of 21.6kbps either! You can't stream video or even just the sound through that. No way in hell!

[Apple //e]

There is no wireless standard being manufactured that can even remotely touch DVD video at this point. Not even 802.15.3, the standard that is being pushed as a next-generation replacement for 802.11, is up to the task. The newer system will start at 55Mbit/s and hopefully scale to 200-400Mbit/s within two years. At that point, it could stream as fast as a wired FireWire (IEEE1394a) or USB2.0 connection but not power the device at the other end. This is a bandwidth and power problem, not a system engineering one.IEEE1394 cable can carry at least 400Mbit/s of data, which makes it almost eight times as fast as the quickest wireless standard. That doesn't even start to touch on the IEEE1394b, or FireWire 800, speeds of 800Mbit/s.

ive watched ripped dvds with 5.1 sound from an external hard drive over a usb1.1 connection with no problem. btw, the bandwith of a dvd-rom and a usb1.1 connection is almost the same (11mbps)

http://stream.uen.org/medsol/dvd/pages/dvdvid_pipelinecompare.html

an 802.11b connection cant reach this, but i dont see why an 802.11g cannot. theoretically it is possible

has anyone here watched a dvd over an 802.11g connection?

[dr.Zoidberg]

1) Steve walks out with a pizza box, opens it up, takes out a slice(mushroom, why not?) and says.....who wants a computer that can be delivered in 30 minutes or its free?

2) I think Dr. Frankenstein works at Dell....

3) I have a cable modem connection using Lynksys wireless to my TiBook, and the MWSF2004 broadcast was slow, and the one before that was too...but its worth the reloading and replaying....

4) My PS2 has a vertical optical drive, it works just fine....so why cant the dvd drive be on the iTap(short for tapestry) or iFrame?

5)I thought the WHOLE idea of the iMac was that it was all in one, so there is no way this new iMac will be headless, it wouldnt be an iMac then...

6)I converted a pc user to Apple today....aside from the feeling of pride and joy(like freeing a caged bird) but i think it would be smart for apple to have a conversion incentive....if you get someone to switch you and THAT person get $10 free at iTMS....that would be nice

7) I'm really going to have nightmares about that Dell Monstrosity....

[Phat_Pat]

Gateway also makes these ugly lookin machines:

http://products.gateway.com/products/GConfig/proddetails.asp?system_id=prf5xlc&seg=hm

Sure the Profile 5 looks crappy but the profile 4 (the one i have) looks niiiiiiiice :p :p

http://www.gateway.com/reman/gv_Profile_1007008_3004430_Gateway_Profile_4.shtml

[mouse]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would anyone want to hang a computer on their wall. I guess it SOUNDS cool, but are you going to sit in front of the wall with a keyboard on your lap? Or will you place the screen on the wall across from your desk? Won't it be hard to see from that distance?

Again, WHY would anyone want to hang their computer on the wall???

I'm in the school that wants to see a 'headless' iMac. When the LCD makes up half the cost of the computer, I want the option of keeping the LCD and replacing the CPU at more frequent intervals. (Doesn't this make $$ sense to Apple?)

[Cooknn]

Besides, with Airport Extreme, what's to say you couldn't do the reverse and put a COAX, et al, interface on the monitor and then record TV on your Mac?It's already being done with VDVHS in Hi-Def! (http://www.ftmyers.com/hd.jpg). But with 5C data encryption it's now impossible to record anything that is even tagged "Copy Once". Unless Apple can release a 5C Compliant device it will be useless. Good thread here... (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3774849&highlight=5c+apple#post3774849)

[jakemikey]

It does seem a little early to rule out a broadcast, but if there is no broadcast, chances of lots of new consumer hardware are slim(mer). I'm sure if they really had a "secret weapon" hardware announcement, they'd broadcast to get the publicity. It could also be that Steve-o doesn't want to eat crow in front of so many people!

I think it's interesting to note that people on this thread are freaking out about hardware speculation, but there's little to no enthusiasm for Tiger. How many of us are actually going to buy hardware announced at WWDC? (some) How many of us will buy Tiger? (most) I mean, the OS is really where your work gets done, and it determines how you get it done. It's really what defines the Mac experience. Frankly I could go with ZERO hardware announcements if Tiger is really worth it. It's really the only thing that should matter for those of us not in the market for a new machine.

[ennerseed]

Can I please get a new AppleWorks, at least a new Apple Spreadsheet app.
Or at how 'bout announce the death of AppleWorks so I can move on.

[ingenious]

Repeat after me:
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not


Repeat after me:
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About

Well, anyway, maybe you're a little misinformed. The G5 seems like it's pro only right now, because it's only been in the PM, and for a year! Trust me, the G5 whether its in the form of the 970/variants or the e700, will come to consumer macs.

On a side note. I've been thinking lately. Now really is the time for Apple to intro a consumer tower.

Note to Apple employees reading this:
Now, Mr. Ive, I really appreciate your designs, and I know you'll hate making one of these, but think about it. Future Mac users who switch from PC will most likely already have a monitor. Actually, they will have a monitor. Most of them will want to use it when they get a new computer. One thing that I've found that deters them from getting a Mac is that they can't use their current display with it. Now, it doesn't have to be a traditional tower, it could even be something like a ball on a stand. As long as it is headless, we need it. The PM, while great, is just too expensive for John or Jane Doe or even me. As we've seen from projects like the iBox, it's possible. It just depends on whether you will do it or not.


Oh, I've attached my thoughts on a new headless mac... it was done in MS Paint, cuz I'm on my PC and don't have PS, so just take the general gist of it... dont critique it... :D

It's a ball on a stand.. with the optical drive in the stand and the ports on the back... brushed aluminum of course.

oh and this other one... whipped it together really fast just to get my idea on the computer... again done very fast in MS Paint... so just look at the general idea... not the nitty gritty details....

[PowerMacMan]

Repeat after me:
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About
You Don't Know What You're Talking About

Well, anyway, maybe you're a little misinformed. The G5 seems like it's pro only right now, because it's only been in the PM, and for a year! Trust me, the G5 whether its in the form of the 970/variants or the e700, will come to consumer macs.

On a side note. I've been thinking lately. Now really is the time for Apple to intro a consumer tower.

Note to Apple employees reading this:
Now, Mr. Ive, I really appreciate your designs, and I know you'll hate making one of these, but think about it. Future Mac users who switch from PC will most likely already have a monitor. Actually, they will have a monitor. Most of them will want to use it when they get a new computer. One thing that I've found that deters them from getting a Mac is that they can't use their current display with it. Now, it doesn't have to be a traditional tower, it could even be something like a ball on a stand. As long as it is headless, we need it. The PM, while great, is just too expensive for John or Jane Doe or even me. As we've seen from projects like the iBox, it's possible. It just depends on whether you will do it or not.


Oh, I've attached my thoughts on a new headless mac... it was done in MS Paint, cuz I'm on my PC and don't have PS, so just take the general gist of it... dont critique it... :D

It's a ball on a stand.. with the optical drive in the stand and the ports on the back... brushed aluminum of course.

oh and this other one... whipped it together really fast just to get my idea on the computer... again done very fast in MS Paint... so just look at the general idea... not the nitty gritty details....

I would consider that the PM G5 is a Pro product because it has MULTIPLE CPU's, which the iMacs will be single CPUed and be BELOW 2GHz... therefore making it the consumer product... I agree with that (overdone) statement "G5 Pro, iMac not."

The PowerMac G5 can also be considered Pro because of the space it gives for upgradablity option, as the iMac (current or rumored) doesn't/won't.

PowerMac G5=Pro...

iMac G5=Not...

EDIT: However when this comes to the sence of whether or not the iMac G5 would be released at WWDC, I believe it is a perfect time to announce it since putting G5's in Apple's computers are a big deal... and G5's are the future of Apple... Well for the next few years...

[pourhadi]

http://www.macnn.com/news/19796

"Several universities will be hosting live satellite feeds of WWDC keynote by Steve Jobs as well as several Apple Stores"

[ingenious]

Yeah Baby :D I posted this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=898260#post897602) before I read your post. Glad someone else has the same train of thought. How about a Hi-Def iMovie Store!


nah... needs a new program... kinda like the iTunes for playing/buying and GarageBand for creating... how about iMovie for creating and iTheatre for playing buying... thereby making QT only an engine... and having iTheatre and iTunes???

[rice_web]

$39 a share? What!?!?!

Okay, I'm quite astounded. Analysts are pushing a technology stock to 1999 technology-stock levels (granted, $39 is a far cry from $70, roughly Apple's peak). I don't know if I should believe that estimate, for the market is not showing such strength, and surely Apple will not make such in-roads with just a couple of product announcements.

Right?

[ingenious]

Don't go there! Lately, the iTMS is very slow. It may because of the new European customers or just all of the content, but I get errors and slow loads every time. Apple should upgrade their iTMS server farm before they even bother to think about selling movies. Remember, Steve, you made the claim Apple could move oceans of data, but it sure isn't showing anymore.


The iTMS is VERY slow lately.... maybe akamai is in the process of upgrading.....

[ingenious]

Blah Blah Blah. Developers are leaving the Mac. It's just a fact. Norton abandoned it's (albeit buggy) Tools recently. Adobe Framemaker, Premiere, etc. Apps come out later or not at all on the Mac, and the problem is getting worse, not better, or they run far slower than they do on PCs (e.g. Office 2004). Market share is crucial in long term viability of Apple and OSX, because developers want to not just profit, but have their profits grow by selling on a growing platform. It is getting more and more difficult for developers to justify supporting OSX. I don't want them to abandon the Mac, but some are. That is why I am concerned with market share. No, I was not comparing an iMac to a $400 PC, but many consumers will. If they even consider a mac (and most don't) they'll look first at price and see that they can get a PC with an LCD for less than an iMac or about the same as an eMac which comes with a blurry, unusable CRT. Apple needs a huge reason to draw people away from PCs, and blow people away speed can be one of them, and it's an opportunity they continue to miss, and it doesn't help their position in the market. Why be apologists for Apple? Constructive criticism is much more valuable than blind praise.


Actually the reason why Norton left was because it wasn't needed. Adobe left because Apple came out with better products. Sure developers are leaving the Mac, but I'm sure they're leaving Windows as well. As long as they're not leaving in droves, who cares?

[Porchland]

nah... needs a new program... kinda like the iTunes for playing/buying and GarageBand for creating... how about iMovie for creating and iTheatre for playing buying... thereby making QT only an engine... and having iTheatre and iTunes???

The fact that movie trailers were recently added to iTMS leads me to think that Apple's future for downloaded media is going to be through one application. Changing iTunes Music Store to iMedia Store makes a lot of sense to me. There's a lot of leverage in an installed base, and iTMS can deliver a big audience for video.

[Porchland]

Seems that Dell got wind of Apple’s rumored iMac with main logic board mounted vertically behind the computer's LCD screen and released their new OptiPlex with simular feature. (http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/optiplex/dell_sx280.htm)

Or maybe they just really liked the one that Gateway has had on the market for two years.

http://products.gateway.com/products/GConfig/proddetails.asp?system_id=prf5sc&seg=hm

[ingenious]

I would consider that the PM G5 is a Pro product because it has MULTIPLE CPU's, which the iMacs will be single CPUed and be BELOW 2GHz... therefore making it the consumer product... I agree with that (overdone) statement "G5 Pro, iMac not."

The PowerMac G5 can also be considered Pro because of the space it gives for upgradablity option, as the iMac (current or rumored) doesn't/won't.

PowerMac G5=Pro...

iMac G5=Not...

EDIT: However when this comes to the sence of whether or not the iMac G5 would be released at WWDC, I believe it is a perfect time to announce it since putting G5's in Apple's computers are a big deal... and G5's are the future of Apple... Well for the next few years...

That's basically what I was saying/thinking. The poster I quoted made it sound like they meant "no G5 in iMac." I was just trying to set them straight.

[Don't panic]

If what most people in this thread think/predict/want for the new iMac is true, it won't be a very revolutionary product. As mentioned in other posts, there are plenty of all-in-ones with some or many of the characteristics described for the “iMac3” which, btw, reads “iMaccube”:
the Dell SX280 (http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/optiplex/dell_sx280.htm) (ugliest looking thingy I have seen in a while), the Sony W (http://www.vaio.net/models/desktops/w/tour.html) and V series (http://www.vaio.net/models/desktops/v/tour.html) (not bad), the Gateway Profile5 (http://www.gateway.com/media/index.asp?seg=hm&series=prf5&tour=prf5&name=5XL-C_Customizable&tm=2) and 610XL series (http://www.gateway.com/products/tours/gtwy610_prodtour.shtml) (this last one I like) more or less fit the bill.
We can’t expect apple to be the only company having ideas or trying out new form factors. What we do expect, is that they'll do a better job at it.
If they pull it out again, I'll buy one.

[nsb3000]

I think it's interesting to note that people on this thread are freaking out about hardware speculation, but there's little to no enthusiasm for Tiger. How many of us are actually going to buy hardware announced at WWDC? (some) How many of us will buy Tiger? (most) I mean, the OS is really where your work gets done, and it determines how you get it done. It's really what defines the Mac experience. Frankly I could go with ZERO hardware announcements if Tiger is really worth it. It's really the only thing that should matter for those of us not in the market for a new machine.

I could agree with you more. Tiger is the number one thing I can't wait to see. I hope Apple does not let me down...

[thatwendigo]

Read up? How bout this from MacRumors:
[indent]The 1394 Trade Association has approved a specification which would allow the development of wireless Firewire devices.
The new Protocol Adaptation Layer (PAL) for IEEE 1394 over IEEE 802.15.3 was approved Monday. In a statement, the trade association said: ?The PAL is designed as a standard convergence layer between the 802.15.3 MAC and applications developed for wired 1394. It builds upon the 1394 infrastructure--for example, data formats, connection-management schemes, and time synchronization procedures--and takes advantage of the excellent quality of service available in 802.15.3.?

Examples of new products with the new specification include wireless connections to DVD players and hard drives from set top boxes. Prototype products are expected before the end of the year.

Apple has been an early adopter of Firewire, so adoption of this technology could be expected. [/ident]

This is more proof that you have no clue what you're talking about. The IEEE 1394 PAL is a streaming protocol that allows the same handlers for wired FireWire to be transferred over a wireless connection, but has nothing to do with the speed of that connection. As I stated above, the speed of 802.15.3 is starting around 55Mbit/s and then supposedly scaling up from there to 200-400Mbit/s by Q2 2006.

What the 1394 Group did was futureproof their technology against a coming product, one that isn't market-ready for a few years. Why would they do that? So that hardware manufacturers would consider adding it to their devices, just as they added 4 or 6 pin 1394 to their cameras, computers, and other gear. I repeat; FireWire is a transfer protocol, not the medium it is sent across, and the existence of a "Wireless FireWire" standard doesn't mean it can be used for wireless video.

Also, while I have a lot of respect for Arn, he doesn't know everything in the technology sector, and this is not a case of a technology that has been shown to be ready yet. If it were, then the stream could be done on Airport Extreme, right now. Why? Because the AE in current macs is 54Mbit/s, a single Mbit behind the first implementation of 802.15.3.

Think different... :rolleyes:

There's a difference between thinking different (look up my posts on modular computing, networked computing, portable devices, and other ideas) and willful ignorance.

[PowerMacMan]

That's basically what I was saying/thinking. The poster I quoted made it sound like they meant "no G5 in iMac." I was just trying to set them straight.

Thats cool then! :D

:(

[macnews]

If the old form factor goes away, I will be sad. I like the look of the current imac (typing on one now) and remember how all those celebs just fawned over the look when it was first introduced. If changed, I would miss (based on rumors here for the new one) the movable monitor, sleek small design, great way to minimize cord clutter (wish I had bluetooth on this one for even fewer cords).

Another thing that would tick me off is if we see a design that goes against everything Steve said was the reason for the design of the flat panel imac. Remember - the hard drive, cd drive all work better horizontally and the display vertically. Nothing big but if that was the case then why move from the design.

Put in a G5 but keep the current form factor. Just my two cents.

[BrianKonarsMac]

the new iMac will be a hangable LCD with ports much like a laptop running along the side. it will also have a TV input, and Tivo-like capabilities, digital audio out and in, wireless networking, and a wireless apple branded remote. Single processor G5, 1.6 and 1.8, possibly 2.0.

new iPod will have wifi and possibly even an Apple developed OS.

apple lcd's will be detachable and hangable, probably lose ADC or incorporate the ADC to DVI converter into the monitor and allow for a power cord to be attached with DVI connetions. firewire 400 might also find its way onto the monitors along with usb 2.0.

i wish i had bought apple stock in 2002 when i bought my Quicksilver. I told my parents Apple would be huge, i even told my uncle's. NOBODY listened, they all laughed at me, WHOS LAUGHING NOW!?!?! though admittedly not as hard as I'd like to, since I have no Apple stock, only Microsoft (although my uncles bought it for me before it split :D ).

[applekid]

$39 a share? What!?!?!

Okay, I'm quite astounded. Analysts are pushing a technology stock to 1999 technology-stock levels (granted, $39 is a far cry from $70, roughly Apple's peak). I don't know if I should believe that estimate, for the market is not showing such strength, and surely Apple will not make such in-roads with just a couple of product announcements.

Right?

Well, I bought my two shares at about $17-$18. I check them periodically and they keep moving up. $39 doesn't seem farfetched. They are at exactly $33 right now.

[thatwendigo]

Backing up here a little bit.

If Apple sells a larger (or even same-sized) version of it's current LCD line-up and adds 802.11b/g to it, then without even having to strap a computer to it, one can have most, if not all, of what many of you are thinking and wanting.

I suppose that's why Philips, ViewSonic, and basically anyone else doing wireless displays all have embedded processors, RAM, flash ROM, and some even have embedded graphics cards? If it were that simple, I highly doubt that Apple wouldn't have done it by now, given their focus on wireless at the moment. Let's not go into the fact that current wireless displays all cost $800 or more, shall we?

Full frame 1024x768 uncompressed video is 566Mbit/s (24-bit/pixel, 30 frames/s, 1024x768 resolution). Reduced size (360x240) video is 60Mbit/s (24-bit/pixel, 30 frames/s, 320x240). Even the tiny size is far more than current networking can handle wirelessly without some kind of efficient compression, and compression is likely to cause artifacts, especially on a screen with a high resolution like, say, a computer monitor. The reason that DVDs can look okay on your computer even at compressed state is that you're looking at a very, very low resolution screen. To put this in terms of file size, a single minute of uncompressed video at 640x480 resolution is 1.66GB. Standard NTSC video is 30 frames per second, 3-bit color depth, an d 640x480 resolution, for a 221Mbit/s requirement for bandwidth. That's still over the wireless transfer speed but nowhere near full, uncompressed digital quality.

802.11b is just about fast enough to send video and audio. If you use 802.11g instead, you now have a more robust interface for this. It so happens that another company (don't remember the name) is selling for about $2000 a 802.11b/g system that lets you watch TV. Sony is putting out a product somewhere around $1300 or $1400 that will let you do that and surf the web. Apple could easilly trump both of these offerings by simply tying the monitor into a full-fledged Mac. You could then have a Mac-on-a-wall as some of you have said, a tv-on-a-wall as others have said, and a web & email-on-a-wall as others still have said.

It's a company called KiSS Technology, (http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=plasma42&v=users) and they haven't really released it yet, as far as I can tell from their site. They certainly don't seem to want to advertise how horribly expensive a 42" HDTV plasma screen with networking and built-in DVD-ROM is going to set you back, though. Considering that I saw a simple, smaller plasma TV selling for $3000 the other day... Ouch.

If you want to play a DVD or record to DVD, why not have a WiFirewire drive somewhere handy, say on the end-table next to you? How about headphones done through WiFi?

In a word: Latency. If you think that burning DVDs is slow when you have the interconnect inside your machine now... Whooo. Wait until you try it across a network.

[ITR 81]

Well, I bought my two shares at about $17-$18. I check them periodically and they keep moving up. $39 doesn't seem farfetched. They are at exactly $33 right now.

I actually think it will hit $40 in next 3 months or so.

Especially once the hPod and new iPod hit the store shelves.

And also if iTMS opens in Canada, other Euro countries and Japan by yr's end.

Now if Apple could pull out a 3Ghz G5 by yr end and sell a few more super clusters I can bet Apples stock will soar.

It would be something to see Apples stock double it's self in another 12 months or so.

[tkid]

What everyone here has mentioned was to hang an image on a wall. What no one here has mentioned is to project an image onto that same wall. Wasn't there a rumor and/or thread about a front projection machine? Just curious since that would provide a closer access to DVD, etc. while projecting an image on a wall.

EDIT: I thought about this, but the price would be over by 2x the current iMac offerings...

[savar]

I don't feel like reading through all the comments, has anyone mentioned the new Spoken Interface for OSX 10.4 (tiger?)

http://www.apple.com/accessibility/spokeninterface/

Interestingly enough, that API has been available since Jaguar. I know because I'm using it on my mac right now. I guess there haven't been any 3rd parties jumping on the bandwagon yet, so Apple's going to do it themselves.

The API is actually much more exciting than just speech navigation. It gives apps a complete look at all the UI elements on the system: all the open windows, all the buttons, text views, etc.

[savar]

Blah Blah Blah. Developers are leaving the Mac. It's just a fact. Norton abandoned it's (albeit buggy) Tools recently. Adobe Framemaker, Premiere, etc. Apps come out later or not at all on the Mac, and the problem is getting worse, not better, or they run far slower than they do on PCs (e.g. Office 2004).

This is kind of silly. Norton has no use on MacOSX: a modern operating system that doesn't get fragmentation, has great VM, has virtually no viruses, etc. I never liked Norton on OS9 anyway. I say good riddance.

As for office not running well...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!? I don't expect MS to pour much more money into their mac business unit. Already that mac unit has been suffering from lack of access to MS technologies and underfunding. My feeling is that their interest now lies in quietly putting the mac unit to sleep.

I'm not familiar with Framemaker, but there are alternatives to Premier, and in my experience they're all better. (Not that I'm a professional producer, but I have done some DV films for fun.)

Obviously, market share is something to be concerned about, but I really think that most of the companies leaving are doing so because MacOSX leaves no room for them; market share is not the reason.

When I go to the Apple store, or search online, there isn't a single piece of hardware or piece of software that I've ever even *wanted* let alone purchased that wasn't readily available.

[nagromme]

One more vote for Tiger being THE big news at WWDC :)

There may be new hardware or apps, but the foundation of the Mac is OS X, that's what's of biggest interest to developers, and that's what will affect ME for sure.

Can't wait to learn more about Tiger.

[savar]

nah... needs a new program... kinda like the iTunes for playing/buying and GarageBand for creating... how about iMovie for creating and iTheatre for playing buying... thereby making QT only an engine... and having iTheatre and iTunes???

One thing I'd like to see introduced in iTunes is the ability to download and play music videos straight from the playlist. One thing thats real common at school is to put on a playlist when you're hanging out with people and put the visualizations (whatever they're called in the normal world) on the TV just as something to have in the background. If I could intermingle music videos with the visualizations, that would be great.

Oh yeah, and if Apple would only start putting NTSC out in their macs. (at least as option, please :)

[iDave]

The reason that DVDs can look okay on your computer even at compressed state is that you're looking at a very, very low resolution screen.
Pardon me? Sorry to take one sentence out of context, but can you explain that statement? Or were you thinking NTSC television screen?

[iLilana]

i just put in for my dual 2.0 tower. a new monitor would be cool. a g5 iMac might serve my child well. can't wait for the new look.

[BakedBeans]

I'm stepping back from my claims that the iMac G5 couldn't be done, since the situation has changed. The 970FX is apparently in quantity now, and the use of liquid cooling changes the whole game from the ground up. However, I don't expect anything like a pricedrop unless the display is completely removed, and that means no hideously expensive wireless display.

and you argued your point against me so passionatly, infact tried to make me look stupid.....

hum anyway.. atleast you have "stepped back"

im with you on the wireless display thing.... not yet anyway... as for the price drop, i would settle for value for money, the current imac is nothing even close to value,

i take it you also take back the imac will be killed off thing???


EDIT: how well does virtual pc run on a powerbook??? i will be programing in csharp and maybe vb

[Abstract]

Well I can understand why a new iMac would be premiered at a developers conference, but why the displays? iSight was premiered, and the G5 PMs were last year, but things can be developed for them. Same with the iMac. However, the displays....they're displays, and the people there can't do much with news of a new display. A new Apple display will be a bit better, but people are really only interested in seeing it because of its new frame that will hopefully match the PM G5.

Beyond that is the average person REALLY going to put a hole in the wall to mount their computer? Thanks but I've moved my computer desk 3 times in the last 5 years and the last thing I would want is a anchor in the wall where I last placed my iMac. Or lets say that Apple has their own stand that it hangs on. What's the point other then possibly allowing little Billy to more easily knock over the family computer.
Now maybe an iMac in the form of a cinema display where the easel on the back folds out and locks to keep it upright. with maybe another joint for tilting the screen?

I agree somewhat. If the iMac is meant to be hanged, then its going to be difficult to ever move it around. What is Apple going to do, give you a mount, screws, and a bunch of Allen keys to screw it all in place. Apple ain't Ikea. And notice that at offices and such, not all desks have a wall sitting in front of it. If someone wants to hang it, they'll need a 30inch model in order to read text well. Its a bad idea, or at least a bit unnecessary because of how useless it is (other than for bragging rights, of course). If they made a wireless hanging display for the PM, then I could understand it since you wouldn't hang it unless it works in your particular office situation, but not for the iMac. I have a window in front of me. Where the heck would I hang it?

Also, Tiger

[Zaty]

I also think Tiger will be the big news. To all of you dreaming about a mountable iMac, I don't think it's happening because we know for a fact that PB G5s are still several months away. So if Apple could make slim, mountable iMacs, they would also be able to design PB G5s. Since G5s run pretty hot, the case of the new iMac must have a certain size, which is probably bigger than the current design, so the pizza box thing makes more sense. Anyway I'm pretty sure we'll see new iMac (new form factor that is) pretty soon. But I think there's also a chance it will still be G4.

[Abstract]

Am I the only one to point out the obvious here?

I mean, this is the iMac 3 we're talking about.

If Apple is not making the effort to broadcast a STEVENOTE - no satellite feed, no live relays to Apple Stores - then the chances of the iMac 3 being released are much lower.

When it does come, I can see Apple hyping it a bit more than at an unbroadcasted, developers only WWDC. It's not even as if it suits a developer's conference like the pro G5 did.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can see some :( and :mad: faces here if the rumors are illfounded and expectations are over high.

Good point. No broadcast, and yet a new iMac comes out?

[nagromme]

Random speculation: what if rumors of new NON-ADC displays and rumors of new iMacs are actually the same?

Something like this:

* Headless pizza box iMac--use flat, or on its side like a micro-tower. With power supply, optical drive, and upgradable GPU--and loads of cooling vents. Aluminum, but maybe painted white.

* Three widescreen DVI displays: 15.2", 17", 20".

* All displays have built in USB and Firewire hubs with ports on the sides, all have built-in Bluetooth, all have built-in microphones and stereo speakers with "subwoofer." Much more than just a display.

* A single "hydra cable" from CPU to display, connecting via a single multi-plugged "head" (like a laptop dock) cleanly in back of the display. Firewire, USB, DVI, power, and audio. ADC cleanness, without locking you into Apple displays.

* If you do choose an Apple display, then several mounting options: simple tripod stand like current Cinema Displays, or a wall mount, OR an arm mount that attaches to the CPU (when sideways) to make in all-in-one. The cable could be inside the arm.

Thus you have an elegant, simple, compact new headless iMac with just one cable (plus main power of course), assuming you choose the Apple display and Bluetooth mouse/keyboard. Or you can have an all-in-one with the same great arm we have now. Or if you want just the CPU with wired mouse/keyboard, you can have it, and add your own DVI or VGA display.

Apple could even sell a standalone 17" CRT that attaches to the CPU with a swivel (at the same place the optional arm goes) and now you have also replaced the eMac! One model, lots of flexibility, no more e vs. i confusion.

Just a thought :)

[Jacknusa]

OK,

here's something for you all to bite into.

On page 96 of the June issue of Premiere Magazine there is a picture of Steven Spiegelberg and Diego Luna (cast member of "the Terminal"). They are both intently looking at a video mionitor. In Mr Spiegelbergs hand is an iPod.

If you are not familiar with the going-ons on a film shoot, it's become increasingly common to tape the video tap from the camera, and to have the ability to play it back for both the director and the talent to evaluate performance.

From the picture in question, Mr Spiegelberg appears to be operating the iPod while at the same time he and Diego is looking at the video monitor...

Make of it what you will...

Jack

[thatwendigo]

* Headless pizza box iMac--use flat, or on its side like a micro-tower. With power supply, optical drive, and upgradable GPU--and loads of cooling vents. Aluminum, but maybe painted white.

The problem with the G5 isn't going to be venting, it's going to be getting the heat away from the machine, which requires some kind of active cooling system - liquid or air. On top of that, Apple's insistence on quiet computing, which they've largely lead us to expect, means higher prices and more elaborate systems to achieve this end. All in all, the only cost-cutting measure I can possibly conceive of is the removal of a built-in screen, and odds are that won't remove all that much from the cost. The G5 necessitates an almost total refitting of the system and components, and that means greater hardware costs across the board.

Even headless, don't expect the iMac to be much cheaper than it is right now.

* Three widescreen DVI displays: 15.2", 17", 20".

Why would Apple reduce their overall screen real estate?

A move to widescreens at their current sizes would be far more impressive and useful, not to mention more in line with the progress in the overall industry. Stepping back - though it's more of a sidestep, but consumers won't see it that way - is usually not a good plan. Just ask intel about their new naming scheme. :D

* All displays have built in USB and Firewire hubs with ports on the sides, all have built-in Bluetooth, all have built-in microphones and stereo speakers with "subwoofer." Much more than just a display.

No thanks. I'll take a simple, functional display that does what it's supposed to and has fewer parts to go wrong, if you don't mind. Also, cabling to a monitor for all that would increase latency and decrease overall available length to the consumer - FireWire and USB only go so far without losing signal strength. It adds to the cable complexity unnecessarily, makes more for there to go wrong within the monitor itself, and generally fails to really add anything that isn't already done better externally or within the computer.

* A single "hydra cable" from CPU to display, connecting via a single multi-plugged "head" (like a laptop dock) cleanly in back of the display. Firewire, USB, DVI, power, and audio. ADC cleanness, without locking you into Apple displays.

This is interesting, but not really as "clean" as ADC, thought it would provide an even easier way to use non-Apple displays with your computer. If nothing else, the cable would have more RF interference than ADC does, because it carries all that additional signal. Also, I don't know exactly how you're expecting to have user-exchangable graphics cards with a single plug that does all this, but the multiple cord thing is one reason that Apple moved the way it did with ADC. You'd need some kind of internal routing to a socket, or to know how to plug everything on the back.

Definitely not new-user friendly.

* If you do choose an Apple display, then several mounting options: simple tripod stand like current Cinema Displays, or a wall mount, OR an arm mount that attaches to the CPU (when sideways) to make in all-in-one. The cable could be inside the arm.

Counterbalancing a 15 pound display is going to make that tower sit strangely when it doesn't have one, and probably list hard to one side in terms of overall weight. It's a cool idea and all, but I can see there being a lot of problems, especially with the detachable cable-in-arm setup.

Apple could even sell a standalone 17" CRT that attaches to the CPU with a swivel (at the same place the optional arm goes) and now you have also replaced the eMac! One model, lots of flexibility, no more e vs. i confusion.

If you think Apple can sell a $799 G5, then I'd like to see what crippling, corner-cutting measures you think will accomplish that. Just to point this out...

Asus SK8N motherboard for AMD Socket 940
-4x ECC or non-ECC dual-channel PC3200
-3x UltraDMA 133, 2x SATA
-1 AGP 8x, 5x PCI
-2x PS2, 1x LPT, 1x COM, 6x USB2.0 (4 rear), 2x 1394a (1 rear), Audio
-10/100 Ethernet onboard
$177

AMD Opteron 244
-1.8ghz
-1MB L2
$307

512 MB Crucial OEM PC3200
$87

Pioneer DVR-A07XLA
-8x DVD+/-RW
$122.99

Seagate 120GB 7200RPM SATA
-8MB buffer
$94

ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB
$169

Enermax Noisetaker 600W PSU
$168

Without a case, that's $1125 in parts at retail, so call it about $850-900 wholesale. That's basically zero profit if Apple sells it a grand, with no monitor and fewer features than the PowerMac.

[oingoboingo]

No thanks. I'll take a simple, functional display that does what it's supposed to and has fewer parts to go wrong, if you don't mind. Also, cabling to a monitor for all that would increase latency and decrease overall available length to the consumer - FireWire and USB only go so far without losing signal strength. It adds to the cable complexity unnecessarily, makes more for there to go wrong within the monitor itself, and generally fails to really add anything that isn't already done better externally or within the computer.

It's a matter of personal taste as to what you want your monitor to do (or not to do). However, I don't think that restrictions on FireWire or USB cable length are a legitimate reason not to add these things to a screen. From what I can quickly ascertain, IEEE 1394 has a maximum cable length of 4.5 metres with up to 63 devices attached, or up to 72 metres with up to 16 devices attached. For USB2, the maximum cable length seems to be 5 metres. These cable lengths should be sufficient (especially if the monitor contains a repeater for FW and/or USB) without running into signal drop-off issues...just how far away to most users place their screen from their CPU anyway?

Combining various ports with the monitor isn't such a bad idea IMHO...other manufacturers have done this for a long time. It's either a few extra cables to the back of your screen, or the usual mess of external USB and FireWire hubs with their data cables and power leads strewn everywhere.

This one's just down to personal taste, or the decisions of Apple's design teams, and since neither of us are part of those teams, then...well...insert all the usual disclaimers about everything uttered on these boards not being worth a microgram of dog crap.

[imgmkr]

well guys, it's just over a week ledt to the event ;-)
we know for almost a fact that 30" is coming, abeit w/o ADC connector.
we know pretty sure that iMacs will have G5 inside and will be headless!
we know 10.4 gets introduced, especailly w/speech emphasied...

i doubt that new iMac will be a pizzabox physique --;
and since it's without display, it can compete with barebone PC!
i expect it to be under $800 US!!! :eek:

and i hope Steve come out with wireless remote for iMac that i can speak
to it - "iTune, play playlist Eric Clapton, volume 5" and it just plays, wow!
:rolleyes:

[BakedBeans]

well guys, it's just over a week ledt to the event ;-)
we know for almost a fact that 30" is coming, abeit w/o ADC connector.
we know pretty sure that iMacs will have G5 inside and will be headless!
we know 10.4 gets introduced, especailly w/speech emphasied...

i doubt that new iMac will be a pizzabox physique --;
and since it's without display, it can compete with barebone PC!
i expect it to be under $800 US!!! :eek:

and i hope Steve come out with wireless remote for iMac that i can speak
to it - "iTune, play playlist Eric Clapton, volume 5" and it just plays, wow!
:rolleyes:

it wont be headless,,, it wont be headless,,, nope nope nope.....

[MacinDoc]

i doubt that new iMac will be a pizzabox physique --;
and since it's without display, it can compete with barebone PC!
i expect it to be under $800 US!!! :eek:


I would be truly shocked if Apple sold even a headless iMac for $800 U.S. As ThatWendigo pointed out, parts for a G5 iMac would likely be around $900 without case ($950 or more with the case). If Apple was looking for a 25% return on these, they would be about $1199 without monitor.

I don't think Apple will ever market a loss leader to compete with bare bones Wintel boxes - Apple's focus has always been on elegant, integrated solutions, and these come with a premium...

I do still like the idea, as some have suggested, of a collection of monitors that can either be hung on a wall, placed on an adjustable desktop stand, or mounted on an adjustable iMac arm. If the new iMac is headless, as you suggest, then I suspect a buyer will be able to mount one of these displays on it.

[Machead III]

It seems pretty obvious to me that this won't be a replacement iMac, we might have to wait until the end of the year for that, but something more like a eMac crossed with a digital device.

Apple is going to want to continue its streak of providing for the huge market of the iPod, and rather than just try and grab them straight in from their scrollwheels, I think Apple will drop some more bait in the water and lure those fishy boys in.

Consider this, a cheap TiVo-esue computer, possibly tablet, that connects to the iPod and to future Apple devices and allows you to manage music, videos etc. and possibly stream to a TV or whatever. It could even be wirelessly connected to ones computer and run on a Li-ion battery. If Steve could bung one of those out for under £500, that would rock.

[hansen]

I charge my iPod more often than I sync it. It uses the same cable, but I'm recharge often with with computer off, which means I will have to unplug the firewire cable from the computer to the charger. If I want to sync I have to put it back in the computer, which involves crawling under and behind my desk - a hazzle!

I would like to have the cradle connected to the recharger at all times for easy recharging. And then I would like my iPod to sync whenever it's near my pc and the pc is on - without me having to do anything. Whether this is done with bluetooth or wireless I don't mind.

Of course it would be cool to use this wireless feature with the Airport Express - when I get one of those

[Chip NoVaMac]

Amen to that. I'm getting tired of hearing buzzwords like "market share" and "price points" thrown around as if the knowledge of the definition of a word gives someone insight into an industry or company. Anyone that compares a $400 PC to an iMac is jsut someone concerned with the bottom line price and nothing else.

There is something to be said about price points. That is why Apple has the eMac at a start of $799.

I am pretty sure that if Apple saw profit in the $400 system range they would do it in a NY minute. But some do forget the costs to a company offering such a low cost system. The primary is added support costs. That price level is attractive to those that want a computer, but may not know a keyboard from a cutting board. These same customers may not be willing to pay the added cost of AppleCare, if the $400 is that attractive to them.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Repeat after me:
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not
G5 Pro, iMac not

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Explain please

[Chip NoVaMac]

Maybe this is of relevance?

Although I would update it to AL and no pinstripes or anything like that and the legs would be different not one big clear leg to seperate the LCD from the desktop... And instead of the clear back thay could make that AL as well or make it all clear plastic (or not) or even colorful, making it a ORIGINAL LCD iMac (so no)... not that either... :confused:

(I cannot take credit for this)

I can see this as the basis of the rumored iMac G5. An arm that has the screen attached so one can at least move up and down like the current "new" iMac's do (without the side-to-side movement).

[Chip NoVaMac]

I gave a bit of a reason.... Ive not wanting to keep to the "consumer whites" for too long (just like a fashion designer).
Maybe not aluminium, but it will be different. The "Bondi" iMac was introduced in 1998. The colourful iMacs a year later, and the "all whites G4" iMac in 2002.
I assume, that a G5 iMac would be "so much of a deal" that the consumer line-up will be revised. The iBook and eMac (both G4) will stay white, but the new G5 consumer products of time to come will certainly be "different".

I have no clue (hey, I'm not Mr. Ive!), but it should be looking gr8!

But you are right about it probably not being aluminium.... We have that now as the "Pro" line-up...

Given the trend in consumer electronics (stereos, home theater systems, and even TV's) I think the new iMac color may be a "silver" plastic.

[oldpismo]

It seems pretty obvious to me that this won't be a replacement iMac, we might have to wait until the end of the year for that, but something more like a eMac crossed with a digital device.

Why wouldn't it be a replacement iMac. We already know (at least I think we do) that they have said there won't be any more iMacs coming, and that stocks are running low, whereas the eMacs have just been updated. It therefore makes more sense to me that they would be releasing the new iMac, almost certainly in a new form factor (otherwise why would they run the old ones low). As for it being wall mounted, I have no idea, but if it were an option, but not essential I would go for it.

I also think that it would have to include a screen, as otherwise it wouldn't be an iMac, a headless iMac isn't an iMac.

[Chip NoVaMac]

I wonder how pissed off everybody would be if they only preview Tiger and not announce a G5 iMac and updated displays.

I think that Apple's stock would suffer. It is not just us Macheads that are waiting for a iMac update. It has been almost 10 months since a serious update to the iMac.

[AT71]

No broadcast at Apple Stores? Guess nothing big is going to happen.

Was last year's WWDC web broadcast "live" or delayed? Couldn't remember. But I do remember that Apple only announced a broadcast on Friday three days before. If nothing happens by Friday this week, it means nothing. :cool:

[HasanDaddy]

I believe that last year's broadcast was LIVE

and yeah -- they usually announce the broadcast late --- I'm sure it'll be on again

[nsb3000]

I believe that last year's broadcast was LIVE

and yeah -- they usually announce the broadcast late --- I'm sure it'll be on again

Perhaps they do this because they want to sell more tickets to the keynote and the conference? :cool:

[iAlan]

I don't know about the idea of a screen with all the workings mounted on the back. there are several such machines here in Tokyo made by Fujitsu, Toshiba and other electronic companies, even one of the Sony Vaio models is similar. And they all look fugly. All bolging out all over the place. Sure you save a 'fotprint' as hte bulk is in the back of hte monitor, but the monitor isn't really a flat screen anymore, it is about 15cm thick.

Hangable displays ae cool, but to mount with a correct angle to be able to get a good view from various angles is a litle tough, plus the weight of the monitor and the brackets needed to mount it, I would be worried the thing would fall off. Now a regular desktop monitor with an adjustable stand and speakers built into the side would be perfect, you could stand it anywhere (I really like the design of the new Sony Wega HDTV and the ones from Panaonic are pretty cool too - king of the direction Apple could head and improve on)

An iPod to wirelessly connect to an Airport Express would be even better...

[JFreak]

Given the trend in consumer electronics (stereos, home theater systems, and even TV's) I think the new iMac color may be a "silver" plastic.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

if one cannot make the real thing (metal) cheap enough, it shouldn't be emulated. metallish plastic is the cheapest-looking thing i can imagine - i hope apple doesn't get there.

and plastic that tries to look like wood? come on. put in real wood or real metal, but don't try to make plastic look like it. when i touch plastic, no matter what colour it is, it feels plastic. the less plastic (real) it looks like, the more cheap it feels. the same goes with metal and wood - the less the material feels like the real thing (when touched), the more it looks like a cheap do-not-buy-item that we all know apple doesn't stand for.

imac has always had good plastics. if the third imac will also be plastic, i hope it has classy plastics as the earlier versions do.

silvery plastic? makes me want to puke if it has apple logo attached...

[Purpleshorts]

They're like these sunglasses, only they've got mics and dual HD cameras in them, and they plug into your ipod, and you capture the experience in 3D surround and replay it when you get old... oh, wait, that was this movie called brainstorm with the man without a country and natalie wood... Still, frogdesign needs something to work on, and all the iPod's incredible hard drive space COULD be put to use as video storage. They'll call it iSaw, and it'll be voice controlled.

[mklos]

No broadcast at Apple Stores? Guess nothing big is going to happen.

Was last year's WWDC web broadcast "live" or delayed? Couldn't remember. But I do remember that Apple only announced a broadcast on Friday three days before. If nothing happens by Friday this week, it means nothing. :cool:

I DO NOT believe it was streamed live through QuickTime, but released a few days later for people to listen to. It was however boradcasted to Apple Retail Stores and via satellite. I have a C-Band Dish so I usually watch it there. Apple almost has to have it broadcasted on satellite. This is how news stations get their clips, and also how some of the Apple Stores got it. I'll have to do some scanning around monday around noon eastern time and see if I can find it with my C-Band dish. Maybe I'll get lucky!

[the silver fox]

I suppose there are also practical reasons: if you wanted your monitor to double as your DVD-viewing screen, if you had limited desk space, if you need to work on very large images. But mainly it's to say "mine's bigger."

And for the Video Pros out there it means you can have a full 2K film plate showing on one monitor, something you can't do on 2x23 inch monitors. If you ever work with 2K plates for film compositing (I do with Shake) you'd REALLY appreciate not having to work at 75% actual size all the time. I'd like one of theseif I hadn't just purchased a new dual 2.5 badboy. It'll be another month or two before I get a new screen.

[applekid]

Another thing that would tick me off is if we see a design that goes against everything Steve said was the reason for the design of the flat panel imac. Remember - the hard drive, cd drive all work better horizontally and the display vertically. Nothing big but if that was the case then why move from the design.

I would be just as disappointed. I'm sorta hoping these iMac rumors aren't accurate.

But, there is something we have all forgotten... The G4 Cube had vertical HDs and optical drives! Is this the return of the Cube? It would be cool to be able to insert CDs/DVDs like toast, again.

Yet, I have a feeling we'll see mini-towers that sport a G5, one or two PCI(-X) slots and hopefully a AGP slot (don't expect PCI-Express early on on the iMac), upgradable HD, AE slot, and that always upgradable RAM. It will finally combine the power of the G5 with a new low price, so that we can compete with those cheap beige-boxes!

I wouldn't be too surprised the displays being announced here if these new iMac towers don't come with a display built-in. It may be the end of the iMac as we know it, but maybe we can gain some marketshare this way.

If we do lose the iMac or the iMac changes so drastically without any improvements we've always wanted (more upgradability!), then I'll be pretty sad. I've used iMacs for my last two computers (a Bondi Blue and FP, now), and they've been able to deal with everything I throw at them. To me, the iMac is the symbol of Apple getting out of the dark ages. Perhaps they should market my above design as the G5 Cube instead.

5 days...

[machan]

my 2 cents (although quite late in the game and i'm not sure if someone already suggested this):

the new imac will be in the form of an "A", where the front is a monitor and the back is the guts, with ports running down the narrown side of the back. since there is speculation about a hanging element to it, this theory would fit perfectly. it will be white, have a 1.5Ghz G5, 80 gig hard drive, with 256mb RAM. there will be two sizes, 17 and 20 inch. the most common joke about this one will be that is it the all new aMac (finally replacing the lampMac joke).

really stupid aside: that almost makes me wish that they would get henry winkler to do the voice-over in the commercial as the fonze saying "ehhhhhhhhh!".

[mainstreetmark]

Well I can understand why a new iMac would be premiered at a developers conference, but why the displays? iSight was premiered, and the G5 PMs were last year, but things can be developed for them. Same with the iMac. However, the displays....they're displays, and the people there can't do much with news of a new display. A new Apple display will be a bit better, but people are really only interested in seeing it because of its new frame that will hopefully match the PM G5.



Because us programmers (aka 'developers') love lots, and lots, and lots of screen space. 30" may not be enough. :)

AND, you can't develop for the iPod either.

[Jmitch]

Does anyone know what one would need to recieve broadcast from a satellite? Do you need a service, or can you just get a satellite and hook it up to your tv?

[machan]

can you just get a satellite and hook it up to your tv?


i'd just go with a dish instead of the whole satellite. :)

[dernhelm]

story updated.

iMac G5 = Hangable?

arn

That'd be cool. With a large enough display, they could double it as an LCD TV - and really show the world what a media center PC should look like. Of course, Mr. Jobs doesn't really believe that enough people would actually want a media center PC, so I'm sure that they aren't going that direction - but I wouldn't mind seeing it anyway.

[Jmitch]

i'd just go with a dish instead of the whole satellite. :)

really? What's the difference between a satellite and a dish? You're saying I can get feed from just a dish?

[NAG]

I DO NOT believe it was streamed live through QuickTime

I am almost certain that I watched it live via QuickTime.

[blakemsf]

I am almost certain that I watched it live via QuickTime.

I to remember watching it quicktime from my office.

[GetSome681]

really? What's the difference between a satellite and a dish? You're saying I can get feed from just a dish?

LOL, you can't be serious, can you?

A satellite is something that takes millions of dollars to make, and then millions of dollars to send into outer-space. Personally, I think you should get a satellite.

[Jmitch]

LOL, you can't be serious, can you?

A satellite is something that takes millions of dollars to make, and then millions of dollars to send into outer-space. Personally, I think you should get a satellite.

Oh yeah, my bad. What was I thinking. (hit myself) "Satellite dish " is the correct term I was looking for.

So the question is...

Do I need anything else to recieve the signal/broadcast other than just a dish and a tv?

[Chip NoVaMac]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

if one cannot make the real thing (metal) cheap enough, it shouldn't be emulated. metallish plastic is the cheapest-looking thing i can imagine - i hope apple doesn't get there.

and plastic that tries to look like wood? come on. put in real wood or real metal, but don't try to make plastic look like it. when i touch plastic, no matter what colour it is, it feels plastic. the less plastic (real) it looks like, the more cheap it feels. the same goes with metal and wood - the less the material feels like the real thing (when touched), the more it looks like a cheap do-not-buy-item that we all know apple doesn't stand for.

imac has always had good plastics. if the third imac will also be plastic, i hope it has classy plastics as the earlier versions do.

silvery plastic? makes me want to puke if it has apple logo attached...

I agree! Maybe I am too old, but I like my stereos being black in color. This "silver" crap" is just that.

[machan]

Personally, I think you should get a satellite.

i feel bad for laughing as hard as i am.



back on topic: should add to my previous description of the "A" form factor i believe will be used on the new imac that i think the cd/dvd drive will load from the side, not the top.

also, the idea of a headless imac i think is really odd. first, the imac will ALWAYS have an integrated flat panel monitor, otherwise it's not an imac. if it's got a crt, they call it an emac. they tried to go headless once and called it the cube. it was overpriced and didn't sell, so it was discontinued. i don't disagree that it would be great to have a cheap, headless mac for the average joe on the street, but i don't know that it's going to be attempted again anytime soon.

[job]

I am almost certain that I watched it live via QuickTime.

You might have watched it in Quicktime, but it most certainly wasn't live. Apple released the Quicktime of the Keynote speech after the event had already taken place.

[MikeTheC]

This is kind of silly. Norton has no use on MacOSX: a modern operating system that doesn't get fragmentation, has great VM, has virtually no viruses, etc. I never liked Norton on OS9 anyway. I say good riddance.

Well, actually NAV does have one good use: it helps screen out PC viruses in email so I don't pass them on to anyone else.

[machan]

You might have watched it in Quicktime, but it most certainly wasn't live. Apple released the Quicktime of the Keynote speech after the event had already taken place.

it wasn't live. i think the video was posted a few hours after the actual event. i know i was coming to macrumors (and a few other sites) to get updates during the keynote. (i remember seeing horrible first pictures of the G5 in this forum and wondering why it was all misshapen...then saw the real thing later and realized how bad those pics were).

[Jmitch]

It will be broadcast via satellite! Here are the coordinates!

Nevermind. Last year. Damn.

[Ups85]

Remember the Gateway Profile 4? That was exactly what they are describing this imac to be...a screen with a pizza box attatched to the back. It was so ugly. It really scares me that apple would even consider going on that route. The moveable screen was so revolutionary...I don't know why Apple would ever get rid of that.

[Chip NoVaMac]

i feel bad for laughing as hard as i am.



back on topic: should add to my previous description of the "A" form factor i believe will be used on the new imac that i think the cd/dvd drive will load from the side, not the top.

also, the idea of a headless imac i think is really odd. first, the imac will ALWAYS have an integrated flat panel monitor, otherwise it's not an imac. if it's got a crt, they call it an emac. they tried to go headless once and called it the cube. it was overpriced and didn't sell, so it was discontinued. i don't disagree that it would be great to have a cheap, headless mac for the average joe on the street, but i don't know that it's going to be attempted again anytime soon.

I like the idea. There was a picture here that some did of just that idea. While some scoffed, there are some of us that would welcome the idea.

I am not sure that I would want to trust putting my iMac on the wall. I have seen some of the installs for the flat panels on the wall, and it is a monster. Apple is all about doing it yourself. Who is going take responsibility for a bad "install" on the wall?

[blakemsf]

You might have watched it in Quicktime, but it most certainly wasn't live. Apple released the Quicktime of the Keynote speech after the event had already taken place.

I believed it was streamed with some delay if I remember because I was was watching the quicktime and checking out their website to see updates at the same time.