Mac pro is gonna be FAST [Archive]

Ace134blue

Sep 23, 2009, 06:43 PM

MadGoat

Sep 23, 2009, 06:46 PM

So this post was all about stroking your epeen with a dash of a question.

Ace134blue

Sep 23, 2009, 06:47 PM

So this post was all about stroking your epeen with a dash of a question.

Nope, just curious to see if an ssd actually makes a difference in gaming. :p

gauchogolfer

Sep 23, 2009, 07:08 PM

Nope, just curious to see if an ssd actually makes a difference in gaming. :p

I'm going to say that you probably won't see a lot of difference. Is there really that much HD access during gameplay? I think you'd be able to figure this out for yourself by monitoring how much your current system is hitting the HD during play.

Ace134blue

Sep 23, 2009, 07:14 PM

I'm going to say that you probably won't see a lot of difference. Is there really that much HD access during gameplay? I think you'd be able to figure this out for yourself by monitoring how much your current system is hitting the HD during play.

Well as you could see i was using a 1.5gbs HD and ing-game there was a bunch of stuttering. I saw on intels website someone that upgraded to an x-25 from a raptor and it nearly doubled the frames. Do you think that its bogus?

ManiG

Sep 23, 2009, 07:27 PM

i am mystified as to why you would not put the OS on the SSD ...

either way, enjoy your new machine!

Well as you could see i was using a 1.5gbs HD and ing-game there was a bunch of stuttering. I saw on intels website someone that upgraded to an x-25 from a raptor and it nearly doubled the frames. Do you think that its bogus?

i've experienced frequent stuttering while playing crysis, as it dynamically loads in level content as you move from one location to another. at the time, i only had 3g of RAM though, which was probably the main cause. still, an SSD would definitely help improve gameplay in these situations. most of the time though, the real difference will be non-gameplay related (starting the game up, loading levels).

Ace134blue

Sep 23, 2009, 07:31 PM

i am mystified as to why you would not put the OS on the SSD ...

either way, enjoy your new machine!

Well theres two os's snow leopard and Vista. Right?

i am mystified as to why you would not put the OS on the SSD ...

either way, enjoy your new machine!

Ohh and the game has the most disk activity.

Abidubi

Sep 23, 2009, 09:01 PM

I saw on intels website someone that upgraded to an x-25 from a raptor and it nearly doubled the frames.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Those idiots crack me up. Faster HD access wont give you even 1 more FPS. If you have enough RAM, in 5 hours of playing your HD should be sleeping for the last 4.5 hours. Once all the textures etc are in video memory or RAM there is nothing left for the HD to do. FYI, windows 7 reports that my 512MB 4870 has 3GB of video ram... 2.5GB of it is shared RAM.

I can max the details in any game and while the FPS might drop, the HD remains silent the whole time dispite the measly amount of VRAM. That goes for any game, Crysis and ArmA2 specifically which have the most textures I know of.

And if you wanted good gaming performance, the 2.26 was to put it bluntly, a stupid choice. The max any game uses is 2 cores, and clocks count most (as well as architecture).

i've experienced frequent stuttering while playing crysis, as it dynamically loads in level content as you move from one location to another. at the time, i only had 3g of RAM though, which was probably the main cause. still, an SSD would definitely help improve gameplay in these situations. most of the time though, the real difference will be non-gameplay related (starting the game up, loading levels).

3GB + of RAM is in use when running Crysis, so yes thats why. Also if you are running 32-bit Vista/Windows 7 that screws you big time since it will only ever use 2GB.

alphaod

Sep 23, 2009, 10:34 PM

seisend

Sep 24, 2009, 12:59 AM

I think you can only expect faster loadtimes with faster harddrives. But not more FPS ... I got my Windows partition on a standart WD Caviar 640GB Apple harddrive and my crysis levels are loading in 10-15 sec. ...

nanofrog

Sep 24, 2009, 02:52 AM

Where the heck did you get a 20,000 RPM SAS drive? :confused:
There isn't a 20k rpm SAS unit out, or announced. I even checked Seagate, Fujitsu and Hitachi to be sure.

The only press release is for a 20k rpm drive, is a WD Raptor (SATA).

CountBrass

Sep 24, 2009, 03:43 AM

[QUOTE=Ace134blue;8534923]So i just ordered another 6gb pack of ram (total of 12gb) for my mac pro 2.26 octo-core, two 20,000 rpm SAS drives, a raid card, and 1 X-25M 160 gb SSD./QUOTE]

- The 2.26 comes with 6x1GB of memory so I'm wondering where you'll find the slots to put the extra 6GB that you just bought...

- Can you link the "20,000 rpm SAS drives" you're buying, or at least give the make and model number?

Am I alone in thinking "epeen troll"?

seadragon

Sep 24, 2009, 05:21 AM

- The 2.26 comes with 6x1GB of memory so I'm wondering where you'll find the slots to put the extra 6GB that you just bought...

Yep... OP is in for a surprise. LOL.

jjahshik32

Sep 24, 2009, 11:42 AM

I've had a intel x25-m before and for gaming it wasnt really that big of a difference. The only difference you'd see is the loading time being 5-8 seconds faster than a regular 7200rpm hdd. Other than that gameplay and all is about the same.

However the SSD drive made the biggest difference when using it as the main drive to run the os. Apps launched very fast and almost instantaneously.

But if you bought an SSD drive purely for gaming, I think its a waste of money. I'd stick in a regular hdd that has a bigger space and use it to install windows to run games. Just use the SSD as your main osx boot drive.

Yep... OP is in for a surprise. LOL.

LOL! Thats why I ordered a 4x4GB so that I can stick another 4x4GB sometime next year for a total of 32GB of RAM. :)

Crappy part is that the stock 1GB RAM that came with the mac pro cannot be paired with the current 4GB modules. Seems like a waste.

ReanimationLP

Sep 24, 2009, 11:48 AM

I can assure you, it really makes no difference in Crysis.

Machine in my sig, first it was loaded on a 400GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Seagate ATA/100 drive. 45-60 FPS, High, 1920x1200.

Then loaded on dual 250GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache SATA/300 drives in RAID 0.
46-63 FPS, High, 1920x1200.

1-3 FPS is not really worth it.

You're going to need some kind of mounting thing for that X-25M, otherwise it will be just dangling there and you could damage your machine.

BTW, I've never seen a 20,000 RPM SAS drive. Linkplz.

I hope you bought 12GB of RAM, otherwise you will only end up with 11GB at best. (5x1GB, 3x2GB)

whooleytoo

Sep 24, 2009, 12:02 PM

i've experienced frequent stuttering while playing crysis, as it dynamically loads in level content as you move from one location to another. at the time, i only had 3g of RAM though, which was probably the main cause. still, an SSD would definitely help improve gameplay in these situations. most of the time though, the real difference will be non-gameplay related (starting the game up, loading levels).

Ah, that's key info.

In a lot of free roaming games, the content is constantly being loaded as the character moves around. Personally, I reckon these games also add a hell of a lot of wear 'n' tear onto hard drives/DVD drives on the systems they're being played on (the drive on my 360 failed after playing Oblivion & Crackdown quite a bit; both games mentioned almost always when googling 360 drive failures).

In that case, the SSD drive performance will be very relevant during the game - though not as important as CPU, graphics card, bus etc.. Your hard drive is fast anyway, so the difference between that and the SSD may not be huge. It'll also mean the game will be quieter. Nothing draws attention to performance stutters more than having a lot 'crunch' as the hard drive starts reading like crazy.

i am mystified as to why you would not put the OS on the SSD ...

either way, enjoy your new machine!

One theory why you might not want to - if the OS is on the SSD, then presumably so will the virtual memory swap file. SSDs have (relatively) limited read-write cycles, so you might not want to put large files which are being constantly read/written on it?

alphaod

Sep 24, 2009, 03:14 PM

There isn't a 20k rpm SAS unit out, or announced. I even checked Seagate, Fujitsu and Hitachi to be sure.

The only press release is for a 20k rpm drive, is a WD Raptor (SATA).

I just hope the OP isn't taking 2 10K RPM SAS drives, adding them in RAID 0 and calling it 1 20K RPM drive :eek:

nanofrog

Sep 24, 2009, 05:41 PM

I just hope the OP isn't taking 2 10K RPM SAS drives, adding them in RAID 0 and calling it 1 20K RPM drive :eek:
Nice! I got a good laugh out of that one. :D Thanks. :)

Ace134blue

Sep 24, 2009, 07:02 PM

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Those idiots crack me up. Faster HD access wont give you even 1 more FPS. If you have enough RAM, in 5 hours of playing your HD should be sleeping for the last 4.5 hours. Once all the textures etc are in video memory or RAM there is nothing left for the HD to do. FYI, windows 7 reports that my 512MB 4870 has 3GB of video ram... 2.5GB of it is shared RAM.

I can max the details in any game and while the FPS might drop, the HD remains silent the whole time dispite the measly amount of VRAM. That goes for any game, Crysis and ArmA2 specifically which have the most textures I know of.

And if you wanted good gaming performance, the 2.26 was to put it bluntly, a stupid choice. The max any game uses is 2 cores, and clocks count most (as well as architecture).

Wait a few years xD. Besides i plan on putting a couple of i7s in it

3GB + of RAM is in use when running Crysis, so yes thats why. Also if you are running 32-bit Vista/Windows 7 that screws you big time since it will only ever use 2GB.

Its Vista ultimate 64-bit

Where the heck did you get a 20,000 RPM SAS drive? :confused:

xD. CDW( like new egg)

Yep... OP is in for a surprise. LOL.

DOnt worry. i got 3x2gb sticks.

[QUOTE=Ace134blue;8534923]So i just ordered another 6gb pack of ram (total of 12gb) for my mac pro 2.26 octo-core, two 20,000 rpm SAS drives, a raid card, and 1 X-25M 160 gb SSD./QUOTE]

- The 2.26 comes with 6x1GB of memory so I'm wondering where you'll find the slots to put the extra 6GB that you just bought...

- Can you link the "20,000 rpm SAS drives" you're buying, or at least give the make and model number?

Am I alone in thinking "epeen troll"?

Its 3x2gn sticks. I will post link later today

Shivetya

Sep 24, 2009, 07:06 PM

Ace134blue

Sep 24, 2009, 07:12 PM

I just hope the OP isn't taking 2 10K RPM SAS drives, adding them in RAID 0 and calling it 1 20K RPM drive :eek:

No i am not :p

All that for a game?

Dont worry my job payed for it :)

alphaod

Sep 24, 2009, 07:15 PM

xD. CDW( like new egg)

I checked CDW; the fastest I could find was a 15,000 RPM Cheetah. :(

Ace134blue

Sep 24, 2009, 07:18 PM

I checked CDW; the fastest I could find was a 15,000 RPM Cheetah. :(

Some items are restricted to anonymous people :rolleyes:

alphaod

Sep 24, 2009, 07:23 PM

Some items are restricted to anonymous people :rolleyes:

Oh really? I didn't know. Thanks for the insight.

CaptainChunk

Sep 24, 2009, 07:23 PM

Ace134blue

Sep 24, 2009, 07:49 PM

Two two biggest contributors to actual performance in games (FPS-wise) will almost always be CPU and GPU. Even modern games rarely use more than 4GB of RAM while running.

The only real difference you might see with a faster hard drive or SSD will be in load times, perhaps.

There was a bunch of stuttering in-game and it seemed it was loading texture memory or other parts of the level. I think i actually might get a small amount of fps boost because i was on a 1.5gbs piece of crap

Oh really? I didn't know. Thanks for the insight.

My company buys stuff from them so we get a discount too.

dsiew81

Sep 24, 2009, 07:50 PM

I just hope the OP isn't taking 2 10K RPM SAS drives, adding them in RAID 0 and calling it 1 20K RPM drive :eek:

Maybe it's like eating half a Twinkie = half the fat? HA!

Some items are restricted to anonymous people :rolleyes:

... so it's restricted to people who buy these 20,000RPM drives only for them to unknowingly install their OS on a 4800RPM drive instead?

Ace134blue

Sep 24, 2009, 08:45 PM

Maybe it's like eating half a Twinkie = half the fat? HA!

... so it's restricted to people who buy these 20,000RPM drives only for them to unknowingly install their OS on a 4800RPM drive instead?

To tell you the truth i had no idea how slow it was, nor did i check since i have like 30 harddrives laying around

nanofrog

Sep 24, 2009, 09:30 PM

xD. CDW( like new egg)

Some items are restricted to anonymous people :rolleyes:
Can you give manufacturer data & model numbers? Or even a link to the item on CDW?

I've dealt with CDW for many years, and I can't find it either. Nor can I even find a press release on a 20k rpm SAS drive, save the WD 20k Raptor that's not yet out, which is a SATA model.

Thanks. :)

Ace134blue

Sep 24, 2009, 09:46 PM

Can you give manufacturer data & model numbers? Or even a link to the item on CDW?

I've dealt with CDW for many years, and I can't find it either. Nor can I even find a press release on a 20k rpm SAS drive, save the WD 20k Raptor that's not yet out, which is a SATA model.

Thanks. :)

I will when i get home

nanofrog

Sep 24, 2009, 09:51 PM

I will when i get home
:cool: Thanks. :)

I've been expecting them, but haven't seen anything so far, and figured they're still working on them. :D

dsiew81

Sep 24, 2009, 09:53 PM

To tell you the truth i had no idea how slow it was, nor did i check since i have like 30 harddrives laying around

Understandable, but why go on a buying spree for all this fancy hardware when you don't even check the drives you actually use? It's great that you already HAVE all this drool-worthy stuff, why not just test it yourself? I'm not meaning to flog a dead horse about the 4800RPM drive but that is a case of a clear problem, a clear culprit and a clear solution.

Ace134blue

Sep 24, 2009, 10:01 PM

Understandable, but why go on a buying spree for all this fancy hardware when you don't even check the drives you actually use? It's great that you already HAVE all this drool-worthy stuff, why not just test it yourself? I'm not meaning to flog a dead horse about the 4800RPM drive but that is a case of a clear problem, a clear culprit and a clear solution.

I actually went through all of them and cleared them and kept data i needed, none were that fast anyways. FYI people, there is no 20k sas drive but you can make a 15k rpm sas drive 20k by increasing volatage by 1.5 volts. I got an apple 15k sas drive and upped it to 20k

belvdr

Sep 24, 2009, 10:03 PM

I actually went through all of them and cleared them and kept data i needed, none were that fast anyways. FYI people, there is no 20k sas drive but you can make a 15k rpm sas drive 20k by increasing volatage by 1.5 volts. I got an apple 15k sas drive and upped it to 20k

Sounds like a perfect way to shorten its lifespan. After all it's just a motor and you've upped the voltage by 12.5%. How exactly are you measuring the speed?

EDIT: And how are you increasing the voltage going to the drives,without increasing the voltage going to other 12V components? I'm beginning to believe this is trash talk.

mikes70mustang

Sep 24, 2009, 10:09 PM

Pics or none of it happened

Abidubi

Sep 24, 2009, 10:50 PM

Wait a few years xD. Besides i plan on putting a couple of i7s in it

It's been 10 years since dual processors were common, and 5 since they were the norm. Only in the past 2 or 3 years have games started to use the second CPU at all. Right now quads are common and in about 2 more years they will be the norm. So it looks like for 8 cores to be the norm thats about... 9 years from now. So about 14 years from now you can expect to rep the rewards of those 8 2.26s for gaming.

And AFAIK, you cannot run more than 1 i7 in a system. Only the xenon 55XX series has the QPI link needed between processors. Maybe I'm wrong, but the i7s are just lower grade xenon 35XXs and those chips cannot do multi CPU.

So if you plan was to cheaply swap in 2 i7s for $1500... your looking at about $3000 instead.

3.33 i7: $999
3.2 W3570: $1069
3.2 W5580: $1699

I'll take my 35XXs any day.

nanofrog

Sep 24, 2009, 11:42 PM

I actually went through all of them and cleared them and kept data i needed, none were that fast anyways. FYI people, there is no 20k sas drive but you can make a 15k rpm sas drive 20k by increasing volatage by 1.5 volts. I got an apple 15k sas drive and upped it to 20k
That's not a good idea, and that doesn't make it out to be what you claimed. :rolleyes: When you say 20k rpm SAS, everyone's thinking a formal product, not something that's been overvolted. :eek: That's something to expect a lot of flak over. :D

I know it's technically possible, but I'd like to see how this was done, as the 12V source may go to more than just the spindle motor. It's delicate enough on it's own, but the other components, such as the servo may be in serious peril. There could also be jitter and vibrational issues to say the least.

Do you have a schematic of the drive you hot-wired? Link to the methodology?

Sounds like a perfect way to shorten its lifespan. After all it's just a motor and you've upped the voltage by 12.5%. How exactly are you measuring the speed?
Lifespan's definitely going to be affected.

EDIT: And how are you increasing the voltage going to the drives,without increasing the voltage going to other 12V components? I'm beginning to believe this is trash talk.
I want to see the methodolgy on this myself.

alphaod

Sep 25, 2009, 02:20 AM

My company buys stuff from them so we get a discount too.

Does the company you work for know you're buying using their account? I'm pretty that's frowned upon, especially when you make purchases for personal reasons. I can't imagine any sensible company would allow their employees to buy retail products, let them mod the HDD motors… I mean have you consider the amount of drag you need to overcome to increase the spindle speed from 15,000 rpm to 20,000 rpm? Also did you custom write the drive firmware as well? The last time I tried to hotwire the spindle, I ended up with a fried controller board and a lot money out the window.

I'm very much curious, because what you say you have done successfully isn't just unbelievable, it's almost crazy. Please enlighten us.

FYI people, there is no 20k sas drive but you can make a 15k rpm sas drive 20k by increasing volatage by 1.5 volts. I got an apple 15k sas drive and upped it to 20k

So why did you give us misleading answers like you can get them from CDW… :rolleyes:

nanofrog

Sep 25, 2009, 02:26 AM

Does the company you work for know you're buying using their account? I'm pretty that's frowned upon, especially when you make purchases for personal reasons. I can't imagine any sensible company would allow their employees to buy retail products, let them mod the HDD motors… I mean have you consider the amount of drag you need to overcome to increase the spindle speed from 15,000 rpm to 20,000 rpm? Also did you custom write the drive firmware as well? The last time I tried to hotwire the spindle, I ended up with a fried controller board and a lot money out the window.

I'm very much curious, because what you say you have done successfully isn't just unbelievable, it's almost crazy. Please enlighten us.

So why did you give us misleading answers like you can get them from CDW… :rolleyes:
Some good points as well. ;)

Too many holes here, and it makes me Leary to the validity. I just don't see it working, and if it does, not for long. :p

Ace134blue

Sep 25, 2009, 07:09 AM

Sounds like a perfect way to shorten its lifespan. After all it's just a motor and you've upped the voltage by 12.5%. How exactly are you measuring the speed?

EDIT: And how are you increasing the voltage going to the drives,without increasing the voltage going to other 12V components? I'm beginning to believe this is trash talk.

You'd think that part ill show you guys friday, thats when my ssd gets here.

That's not a good idea, and that doesn't make it out to be what you claimed. :rolleyes: When you say 20k rpm SAS, everyone's thinking a formal product, not something that's been overvolted. :eek: That's something to expect a lot of flak over. :D

I know it's technically possible, but I'd like to see how this was done, as the 12V source may go to more than just the spindle motor. It's delicate enough on it's own, but the other components, such as the servo may be in serious peril. There could also be jitter and vibrational issues to say the least.

Do you have a schematic of the drive you hot-wired? Link to the methodology?

Lifespan's definitely going to be affected.

I want to see the methodolgy on this myself.

Wait this monday so i can show a pic inside about this mac. ;)

Does the company you work for know you're buying using their account? I'm pretty that's frowned upon, especially when you make purchases for personal reasons. I can't imagine any sensible company would allow their employees to buy retail products, let them mod the HDD motors… I mean have you consider the amount of drag you need to overcome to increase the spindle speed from 15,000 rpm to 20,000 rpm? Also did you custom write the drive firmware as well? The last time I tried to hotwire the spindle, I ended up with a fried controller board and a lot money out the window.

I'm very much curious, because what you say you have done successfully isn't just unbelievable, it's almost crazy. Please enlighten us.

So why did you give us misleading answers like you can get them from CDW… :rolleyes:

I got the drive from cdw,:) and yes they know i used their account. They needed Leopard server so i used it on 2 of their servers and they reimbursed me

Salavat23

Sep 25, 2009, 08:01 AM

Wait a few years xD. Besides i plan on putting a couple of i7s in it

You can't put a couple of i7s into it because the i7s only have 1 QPI link, just like the 3-series Xeons. If you want more than one CPU, you will have to go for the 5-series Xeons.

belvdr

Sep 25, 2009, 08:35 AM

You'd think that part ill show you guys friday, thats when my ssd gets here.

You can't even explain how you're increasing the voltage or measuring spindle speed. Let me give you a hint. If you are increasing the voltage, you would either have to add a transformer, which is not going to be possible since the ports are on the mainboard, or you are increasing the voltage at the PSU, which would cause all other 12V components to be overvoltage.

At this point, your story is unbelievable and impractical. Showing a picture is not going to prove anything. Lay it out, in words, on how you are doing this. If you can't, then you're just lying to get attention, which I guess you did obtain.

Flybye

Sep 25, 2009, 09:27 AM

...And if you wanted good gaming performance, the 2.26 was to put it bluntly, a stupid choice. The max any game uses is 2 cores, and clocks count most (as well as architecture).Not completely true. The Unreal Engine can fully use 4 cores and I have seen the performance difference on it between 2 and 4 cored. Crysis, however, does not use 4 cores.

And a lot of these guys are right. A faster harddrive will never affect your FPS. The ONLY reason it would affect FPS is because the machine is using less time to access your harddrive for any particular reason. If you had qgb of memory, then an SSD will surely make a big difference for you, but you clearly have plenty of memory.

There is no big factor. You can have the fastest CPU on the planet, but it will do you no good with a 5yr old GPU. Fast CPU + Fast GPU + plenty of memory to prevent in game harddrive access lag is what you need.

whooleytoo

Sep 25, 2009, 09:35 AM

And a lot of these guys are right. A faster harddrive will never affect your FPS. The ONLY reason it would affect FPS is because the machine is using less time to access your harddrive for any particular reason. If you had qgb of memory, then an SSD will surely make a big difference for you, but you clearly have plenty of memory.

A faster hard drive or SSD could have a big effect on game performance; in games like Crysis (as ManiG said on the first page), where the world data isn't preloaded; but dynamically as the character moves around the world.

It won't affect the general FPS, but could prevent or minimise the stutter/stall as data is being loaded.

Abidubi

Sep 25, 2009, 09:49 AM

A faster hard drive or SSD could have a big effect on game performance; in games like Crysis (as ManiG said on the first page), where the world data isn't preloaded; but dynamically as the character moves around the world.

It won't affect the general FPS, but could prevent or minimise the stutter/stall as data is being loaded.

Not if they designed the game properly. If they do that the data should be loaded before it is needed. SO sure maybe a certain area of the map wont load until you get to it, but it will load before it needs to be drawn on your screen. And again, AFAIK game data is compressed and decompressed in RAM by the CPU when it is needed, so if you have enough RAM you will never be affected by the HD speed.

As a simple example, in Doom 3 rooms and new areas weren't loaded until you opened a door. With 1GB of RAM there would be about 2 seconds of bad stutter while it loaded. With 3GBs of RAM there was smooth transition with no stutter at all. That was with the crappy 80GB HD at about 70% capacity. The only time besides initial loading that a SSD will help with games is if you don't have enough RAM. And if thats the case, just buy $100 more RAM and you'll see way better gains than with the $400 SSD.

whooleytoo

Sep 25, 2009, 10:09 AM

Not if they designed the game properly. If they do that the data should be loaded before it is needed. SO sure maybe a certain area of the map wont load until you get to it, but it will load before it needs to be drawn on your screen. And again, AFAIK game data is compressed and decompressed in RAM by the CPU when it is needed, so if you have enough RAM you will never be affected by the HD speed.

Doom 3 wouldn't be exactly the kind of game I'm referring to, more like Far Cry 2, with massive contiguous areas. Games with vehicles are more troublesome, since the faster the user can move around, the faster data needs to be loaded.

You're not going to be able to store the entire game-world in RAM, so it either needs to be loading continuously, or in bursts when you approach the edge of a game-world 'cell'. Hard disk performance isn't independent of the rest of the machine, it will have some impact on CPU and a large impact on the bus; so if you're loading continuously it could have a detrimental effect on performance. If you load in short bursts, well, you need fast storage. :)

Abidubi

Sep 25, 2009, 10:37 AM

You're not going to be able to store the entire game-world in RAM, so it either needs to be loading continuously, or in bursts when you approach the edge of a game-world 'cell'. Hard disk performance isn't independent of the rest of the machine, it will have some impact on CPU and a large impact on the bus; so if you're loading continuously it could have a detrimental effect on performance. If you load in short bursts, well, you need fast storage. :)

I can traverse the whole map in ArmA2 in a jet without seeing any loading hickups... and thats on the stock 640 blue HD that comes with the pro. The impact of the HD is minimal when it comes to FPS unless you have a seriously inadequate system. Prior to having enough RAM, I couldn't simply look at a town through a sniper scope without without crazy stuttering as it loaded textures. If I had added an SSD instead of RAM I am sure it would have been a little better, but not much. Throughput of SSD ~200MB/s. Throughput of RAM ~4.8GB/s.

tobyg

Sep 25, 2009, 10:59 AM

This thread makes me laugh. 20k rpm SAS drives by increasing voltage. Uh, yeah, sure.

He wants to add two i7's, even though i7's won't work in a multiprocessor system.

SAS drives for the OS and a small 160gb SSD for the apps. I would do it the other way around.

This whole thread seems odd and funny, all at the same time.

And the OP of this thread needs to learn how to multi-quote. Or soon he'll have enough posts to sell his haxx0red SAS drives and his multiprocessor i7 Mac Pro in the marketplace.

nanofrog

Sep 25, 2009, 12:51 PM

Wait this monday so i can show a pic inside about this mac. ;)
I'll hold you to this.

But what I'd really like to see, is a How-To. If you came up with this yourself, spell it out. But if it's something you found on the net, then give the links.

This whole situation will be continued to be viewed with extreme skepticism, or worse, members are going to call BS on it until you provide some proof.

At this point, your story is unbelievable and impractical. Showing a picture is not going to prove anything. Lay it out, in words, on how you are doing this. If you can't, then you're just lying to get attention, which I guess you did obtain.
This is what I really want to see, and ideally, pics of the different stages.

SAS drives for the OS and a small 160gb SSD for the apps. I would do it the other way around.
This doesn't make any sense to me either. It would be best to go as you suggest, or even place all of it on the SAS drives.

Ace134blue

Sep 25, 2009, 03:08 PM

You can't even explain how you're increasing the voltage or measuring spindle speed. Let me give you a hint. If you are increasing the voltage, you would either have to add a transformer, which is not going to be possible since the ports are on the mainboard, or you are increasing the voltage at the PSU, which would cause all other 12V components to be overvoltage.

At this point, your story is unbelievable and impractical. Showing a picture is not going to prove anything. Lay it out, in words, on how you are doing this. If you can't, then you're just lying to get attention, which I guess you did obtain.

Just an fyi, the moto in the hd has its own supply. Will post details later, selling my 3G and going to apple store to get a 3GS

I'll hold you to this.

But what I'd really like to see, is a How-To. If you came up with this yourself, spell it out. But if it's something you found on the net, then give the links.

This whole situation will be continued to be viewed with extreme skepticism, or worse, members are going to call BS on it until you provide some proof.

This is what I really want to see, and ideally, pics of the different stages.

This doesn't make any sense to me either. It would be best to go as you suggest, or even place all of it on the SAS drives.

Why would i put ssd on os? first off there are two os's one for mac osx and one for vista. crysis will have the most disk activity so it would run better off of the ssd.

belvdr

Sep 25, 2009, 03:26 PM

Just an fyi, the moto in the hd has its own supply.

Then why exactly does the hard drive have a 12V input?

I will when i get home

You'd think that part ill show you guys friday, thats when my ssd gets here.

Will post details later, selling my 3G and going to apple store to get a 3GS

You keep saying that, but never do.

Gen

Sep 25, 2009, 03:44 PM

You keep saying that, but never do.

Because he is lying.

AppleWorking

Sep 25, 2009, 03:45 PM

Ummmm, I hate to say it, but this thread is pretty entertaining... :D

matthewtoney

Sep 25, 2009, 03:56 PM

Ummmm, I hate to say it, but this thread is pretty entertaining... :D

Ridiculous, but yes quite entertaining...

Ace134blue

Sep 25, 2009, 04:05 PM

Because he is lying.

lol, hang on just got cash for my 3G. I've said once that i would post details later. just be patient :p

You can't put a couple of i7s into it because the i7s only have 1 QPI link, just like the 3-series Xeons. If you want more than one CPU, you will have to go for the 5-series Xeons.

I know that, i just call the cpu's that are inside the mac pro i7's as they are pretty much the same

alphaod

Sep 25, 2009, 04:36 PM

selling my 3G and going to apple store to get a 3GS

If you don't have a factory unlocked version, you won't be cool enough.

Chaszmyr

Sep 25, 2009, 05:08 PM

I don't believe a single word the OP has said. Part of it doesn't make sense, part of it just sounds hard to believe, and part of it he backpedaled on so fast I'm surprised he didn't hurt himself.

jjahshik32

Sep 25, 2009, 05:15 PM

Abidubi

Sep 25, 2009, 05:47 PM

I know that, i just call the cpu's that are inside the mac pro i7's as they are pretty much the same

Ya, 1500 vs 1000 for the same clock speed is the same :rolleyes:

Ace134blue

Sep 25, 2009, 06:54 PM

Ya, 1500 vs 1000 for the same clock speed is the same :rolleyes:

1500 vs 1000 as in price?

xiovoix

Sep 25, 2009, 06:57 PM

Mac pro and games is similar to booking a £$10,000 a night hotel room and inviting a £$10 hooker up to it:eek:;)

Abidubi

Sep 25, 2009, 07:56 PM

1500 vs 1000 as in price?

Yes.

i7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115212

Xenon (two of these don't forget) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117214

Ace134blue

Sep 26, 2009, 09:46 AM

I'll hold you to this.

But what I'd really like to see, is a How-To. If you came up with this yourself, spell it out. But if it's something you found on the net, then give the links.

This whole situation will be continued to be viewed with extreme skepticism, or worse, members are going to call BS on it until you provide some proof.

This is what I really want to see, and ideally, pics of the different stages.

This doesn't make any sense to me either. It would be best to go as you suggest, or even place all of it on the SAS drives.

Ok heres how i did it, grant it not in the mac pro. The Xserve has a jumper switch with 3 pins and if you move it to the right it will increase the voltage going to the servo motor inside the harddrive making it spin faster. It gets louder and louder. 20k is an estimation as no companies hard drives are exactly 10,000 rpm or 15,000. It could be a little higher or lower. ;) The mac pro has something similar to the jumper in the xserve

This thread makes me laugh. 20k rpm SAS drives by increasing voltage. Uh, yeah, sure.

He wants to add two i7's, even though i7's won't work in a multiprocessor system.

SAS drives for the OS and a small 160gb SSD for the apps. I would do it the other way around.

This whole thread seems odd and funny, all at the same time.

And the OP of this thread needs to learn how to multi-quote. Or soon he'll have enough posts to sell his haxx0red SAS drives and his multiprocessor i7 Mac Pro in the marketplace.

Read whole post and youll understand why im using ssd for apps. I dont actually mean an i7 940 etc, im talking about xeons. I call it i7s because they have a strikingly similar architecture. And i only quote one because there is only one to quote...:confused:

kellen

Sep 26, 2009, 09:54 AM

And i only quote one because there is only one to quote...:confused:

Use the multiple quote icon, the bottom right. Has the plus sign next to it.

Ace134blue

Sep 26, 2009, 10:26 AM

Use the multiple quote icon, the bottom right. Has the plus sign next to it.

No, i get a reply (just one) and i quote it, then i get another one. I dont get all the replies at once so i can quote them all.

thermodynamic

Sep 26, 2009, 01:44 PM

Yes.

i7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115212

Xenon (two of these don't forget) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117214

That's newegg's price and they buy 'em in bulk.

of course, so does Apple. As needed. Mac Pros don't fly off the shelves...

If Intel drops the price, it's not a guarantee Apple will follow suit. It'd be nice, but they want to control their own inventory costs too. So prices may not go down.

alphaod

Sep 26, 2009, 01:50 PM

Ace134blue

Sep 26, 2009, 05:26 PM

I just called Apple, they told me you're crazy. :rolleyes:

I know there is ive used it. I wouldnt doubt apple would deny it as its for internal use only. Besides the representatives arent going to know every single thing about each line of computers.

And if you dont believe me buy an xserve and the jumper is behind the sata controller board and its on the drive rail. :cool:

Tesselator

Sep 26, 2009, 06:00 PM

You're saying that there is a jumper than will turn a 10K RPM drive into a 15K RPM drive?

If you're saying anything even close to that I find it laughable.

alphaod

Sep 26, 2009, 06:40 PM

And if you dont believe me buy an xserve and the jumper is behind the sata controller board and its on the drive rail. :cool:

Why can't you just take a picture? It would be a lot easier for all of us and help substantiate your claims.

Ace134blue

Sep 26, 2009, 07:10 PM

Why can't you just take a picture? It would be a lot easier for all of us and help substantiate your claims.

Fine, i will take a picture Monday after i go to work. :apple:

You're saying that there is a jumper than will turn a 10K RPM drive into a 15K RPM drive?

If you're saying anything even close to that I find it laughable.

Have you tried it yourself before? Didnt think so. ;) Not saying it would make it exactly 15k just close to it

nanofrog

Sep 26, 2009, 07:12 PM

Ok heres how i did it, grant it not in the mac pro. The Xserve has a jumper switch with 3 pins and if you move it to the right it will increase the voltage going to the servo motor inside the harddrive making it spin faster. It gets louder and louder. 20k is an estimation as no companies hard drives are exactly 10,000 rpm or 15,000. It could be a little higher or lower. ;) The mac pro has something similar to the jumper in the xserve
This doesn't seem right at all. I'd need a pic clear enough to get the jumper label and compare it to the XServe manual. The model of the XServe would also be nice to have.

My instincts lead me to believe it's to engage an Inrush Current Limiter (to support hot plugging) or some other power management feature. Not what you describe.

So please understand the skepticism here. I need more than this. Something I can verify, and others will as well.

You're saying that there is a jumper than will turn a 10K RPM drive into a 15K RPM drive?

If you're saying anything even close to that I find it laughable.
This is hard to believe, and I've never seen anything like that either. Ever. ;)

Why can't you just take a picture? It would be a lot easier for all of us and help substantiate your claims.
This is what I need myself, and it needs to be clear enough to read the label for the jumper. Then we can compare it to the manual and see what it's designed to do.

If it does what he claims, it will be in the manual. :) The service manual would be better, but I'm not assuming we can get a copy of one. :rolleyes: :(

ungraphic

Sep 26, 2009, 07:44 PM

There are too many misleading things said in this thread, from the whole 'faster hard drive = more fps in games' to a faster drive with a jumper switch.

This thread should be locked and deleted.

Tesselator

Sep 26, 2009, 08:51 PM

Have you tried it yourself before? Didnt think so. ;) Not saying it would make it exactly 15k just close to it

...please understand the skepticism here.

This is hard to believe, and I've never seen anything like that either. Ever. ;)

Yeah, any such feature would break the hard drive. There's almost no question in my mind that any such feature does not exist anywhere let alone in a scaled down crippled MB like that of the Mac Pro or the XServer.

Ace seems like he's not just making stuff up tho (?) so I think maybe he's misunderstanding some feature or documentation.

Also as ungraphic points out HDD speed does NOT affect FPS at all! Not even a little bit. This is already very widely known.

Ace134blue

Sep 26, 2009, 09:22 PM

This doesn't seem right at all. I'd need a pic clear enough to get the jumper label and compare it to the XServe manual. The model of the XServe would also be nice to have.

My instincts lead me to believe it's to engage an Inrush Current Limiter (to support hot plugging) or some other power management feature. Not what you describe.

So please understand the skepticism here. I need more than this. Something I can verify, and others will as well.

This is hard to believe, and I've never seen anything like that either. Ever. ;)

This is what I need myself, and it needs to be clear enough to read the label for the jumper. Then we can compare it to the manual and see what it's designed to do.

If it does what he claims, it will be in the manual. :) The service manual would be better, but I'm not assuming we can get a copy of one. :rolleyes: :(

It is not a Inrush Current Limiter, if it was why would it make the HD rev up? I doubt it would be in the manual, it might be in the service manual but i dont have a copy of it

There are too many misleading things said in this thread, from the whole 'faster hard drive = more fps in games' to a faster drive with a jumper switch.

This thread should be locked and deleted.

Nobody said that a faster HD would give more fps. :confused:. And if you have never used the jumper then dont say that this info is misleading

Yeah, any such feature would break the hard drive. There's almost no question in my mind that any such feature does not exist anywhere let alone in a scaled down crippled MB like that of the Mac Pro or the XServer.

Ace seems like he's not just making stuff up tho (?) so I think maybe he's misunderstanding some feature or documentation.

Also as ungraphic points out HDD speed does NOT affect FPS at all! Not even a little bit. This is already very widely known.

I never said that HD speed would increase fps. I was just asking because i was originally on a 1.5GB/s HD and that would cut my bandwidth in half. There was in-game stuttering so i was wondering if it would make that stop.
Also, im not misunderstanding anything, when i move the jumper over it clearly makes the HD spin faster.

seadragon

Sep 26, 2009, 09:23 PM

I'm enjoying my popcorn as I watch this thread. Besides, there's nothin' on TV tonight.

nanofrog

Sep 26, 2009, 10:32 PM

...I think maybe he's misunderstanding some feature or documentation.
This is what I'm wondering. That the feature isn't what s/he thinks it is.

It is not a Inrush Current Limiter, if it was why would it make the HD rev up? I doubt it would be in the manual, it might be in the service manual but i dont have a copy of it
I also mentioned power management, and that would. Spin up/down features of SATA alone could cause this.

What I'd need is, to find out if it's spinning, and the RPM's increase. That's not a feature that's ever been done before, and for good reason. Over-volting a drive is a really bad thing to do, as it will fry/go DOA. Maybe not immediately, but it will happen.

BTW, it should be in the manual, as it's a setting a user can access. Service manuals have added proceedures that aren't considered user servicable, such as how-to's on heat sink removal/reinstallation,....

Also, im not misunderstanding anything, when i move the jumper over it clearly makes the HD spin faster.
Please understand, proof is needed to support this.

"A jumper setting" is way too vague. Much more is needed. Links and pics would be a good start, as then it can be compared to other materials that are accessible, such as manuals. ;)

There's also the issue of your listing it's from an XServe (methodology), and it's been done in a MP to further complicate matters.

Tesselator

Sep 26, 2009, 11:00 PM

I never said that HD speed would increase fps.
I never said you did.

Also, im not misunderstanding anything, when i move the jumper over it clearly makes the HD spin faster.

Sorry, you'll have to prove it. There is no such feature AFAIK. And I know kind of a lot. ;)
I have the repair manuals for both systems and it documents ALL of the jumpers.

Ace134blue

Sep 26, 2009, 11:02 PM

I never said you did.

Sorry, you'll have to prove it. There is no such feature AFAIK. And I know kind of a lot. ;)

No possible way i can prove it unless i show you huh?

Tesselator

Sep 27, 2009, 12:51 AM

No possible way i can prove it unless i show you huh?

There is:

There is the tech manual that is available if you search for it,
there is the internet (if this was true OF COURSE it would have already been posted),
there is your own digital camera,
and since this is Intel's controller and circuit there would be some other hardware in existence that had the same thing.

With all this defensiveness and zero attempt to prove it I now think you fabricated the whole thing. I could be wrong (not!) but that's what I think.

Macinposh

Sep 27, 2009, 04:10 AM

I never said that HD speed would increase fps. I was just asking because i was originally on a 1.5GB/s HD and that would cut my bandwidth in half. There was in-game stuttering so i was wondering if it would make that stop.
Also, im not misunderstanding anything, when i move the jumper over it clearly makes the HD spin faster.

I did some testing with the jumppers (1.5gb vs 3.0gb) when I tested some different sw raids. Never found out any marked performance differencies between the setups.

Ace134blue

Sep 27, 2009, 11:48 AM

I did some testing with the jumppers (1.5gb vs 3.0gb) when I tested some different sw raids. Never found out any marked performance differencies between the setups.

Have you tried crysis? The cpu has to wait for hd to finish loading

There is:

There is the tech manual that is available if you search for it,
there is the internet (if this was true OF COURSE it would have already been posted),
there is your own digital camera,
and since this is Intel's controller and circuit there would be some other hardware in existence that had the same thing.

With all this defensiveness and zero attempt to prove it I now think you fabricated the whole thing. I could be wrong (not!) but that's what I think.

All this is too much trouble, why would i bother searching thousands of pages for tech manuals or posts about this jumper. If you want to know if its real you should search yourself

allmIne

Sep 27, 2009, 12:20 PM

All this is too much trouble, why would i bother searching thousands of pages for tech manuals or posts about this jumper. If you want to know if its real you should search yourself

You've made my rather boring Sunday night much more fun with this thread. I've absolutely no doubt this is all in your head. Right down to the 3GS you supposedly bought, making sure to tell us you already have a 3g.

Many lol's.

Edit: The reason you should bother proving it is because you repeatedly said you would. Then found you couldn't.

Macinposh

Sep 27, 2009, 12:35 PM

Have you tried crysis? The cpu has to wait for hd to finish loading

Dude? Are you taking a piss or what?

I said there was no (less than1%) difference between the speeds!
No.Nej.Njet.Nein.Niente.Non. No difference.
You understand?

No.Difference.
In single,raid0 and raid10 configs.
So you get it now? There was no difference with jumpers in different positions.

So it is doubtfull that you have experienced any differencies with your setup.

Tesselator

Sep 27, 2009, 02:13 PM

alphaod

Sep 27, 2009, 02:17 PM

Have you tried crysis? The cpu has to wait for hd to finish loading

Why are you running Crysis on an Xserve? :confused:

nanofrog

Sep 27, 2009, 02:57 PM

All this is too much trouble, why would i bother searching thousands of pages for tech manuals or posts about this jumper. If you want to know if its real you should search yourself
The onus is on you for proof, as you're the one that made the claim. And had you actually done this, you'd have the information at hand (pics, notes,...), or worst case, know what/where to look to get it in a reasonable amount of time searching to provide links had it come from the net.

So far, you've not done anything to prove it, and the result is you're being called BS on it, and understandably so. :rolleyes: If you want to end it, provide the proof. It's as simple as that. Otherwise, you're credibility is completely nil at this point.

Please don't think this is an attack, just a statement of the obvious to the rest of the forum that's been posting in this thread.

Hey! I was searching for this jumper and came across a solder-pad located under the ram expansion B connector that when shorted will make both the RAM and CPU double in speed! Awesome! I'm so jazzed! All I have to do is desolder the expansion connector, beed the pad, and my system will effectively be twice as fast! Man! This great find in combination with Ace's high-speed drive jumper and I'll not need to upgrade my machine for another decade. :D
LMAO! :D

Cindori

Sep 27, 2009, 03:31 PM

troll must be fat from all this feeding

Tesselator

Sep 27, 2009, 04:14 PM

If you want to end it, provide the proof. It's as simple as that.

Heck yeah, I'll be the first to apologize and the first to thank him for such an interesting bit of information.

Of course I still would NOT recommend doing this. Drives are made to spin at a particular speed and accept a particular voltage. It's a motor and actuator and unlike a CPU or memory they should not be "over-clocked" without manufacturer approval and/or guidance.

nanofrog

Sep 27, 2009, 06:35 PM

Heck yeah, I'll be the first to apologize and the first to thank him for such an interesting bit of information.
I'd be interested in seeing how it's been done as well, just to satisfy my curiosity.

Of course I still would NOT recommend doing this. Drives are made to spin at a particular speed and accept a particular voltage. It's a motor and actuator and unlike a CPU or memory they should not be "over-clocked" without manufacturer approval and/or guidance.
Absolutely. With OC on semiconductors, you can get into cooling,... to compensate for the increased thermals that result. Mechanical is different though. It's just not worth it IMO, especially for such an expensive drive, and data is too valuable to risk in such an endeavor.

It just defies common sense. :p

seadragon

Sep 27, 2009, 08:19 PM

Nothing on TV again tonight and I've got another bowl of popcorn going.:D

Ace134blue

Sep 27, 2009, 09:36 PM

Hey! I was searching for this jumper and came across a solder-pad located under the ram expansion B connector that when shorted will make both the RAM and CPU double in speed! Awesome! I'm so jazzed! All I have to do is desolder the expansion connector, beed the pad, and my system will effectively be twice as fast! Man! This great find in combination with Ace's high-speed drive jumper and I'll not need to upgrade my machine for another decade. :D

Lol. :D considerings it's not even close to the so called "ram expansion b connector" :p

You've made my rather boring Sunday night much more fun with this thread. I've absolutely no doubt this is all in your head. Right down to the 3GS you supposedly bought, making sure to tell us you already have a 3g.

Many lol's.

Edit: The reason you should bother proving it is because you repeatedly said you would. Then found you couldn't.

Lol yes. I have my new 3gs thank you :)
and I said I would take a pic when I had time at work.

Heck yeah, I'll be the first to apologize and the first to thank him for such an interesting bit of information.

Of course I still would NOT recommend doing this. Drives are made to spin at a particular speed and accept a particular voltage. It's a motor and actuator and unlike a CPU or memory they should not be "over-clocked" without manufacturer approval and/or guidance.

Of course it's not good to overclock anything. But how else do you think hard drive manufacturer do it? :p

I'd be interested in seeing how it's been done as well, just to satisfy my curiosity.

Absolutely. With OC on semiconductors, you can get into cooling,... to compensate for the increased thermals that result. Mechanical is different though. It's just not worth it IMO, especially for such an expensive drive, and data is too valuable to risk in such an endeavor.

It just defies common sense. :p

Of course it's bad for the HD itself, it's just the fact that you can. :)

Why are you running Crysis on an Xserve? :confused:

I'm not.

DaftUnion

Sep 27, 2009, 09:53 PM

Ok, I'll bite and add to this completely ridi...entertaining thread. We're never going to see any of these pictures because this machine doesn't even exist. At least, the Mac Pro does, but not all the 20k hard drives and voltage stuff.

The OP wants to prove he has the most ridiculously fast computer on MacRumors by stating tons and tons of supposed "facts" about their dream computer. Goal half accomplished.

I'd like to know why the OP wants us to believe his computer is uber fast. Bragging rights or the envy of other members?:rolleyes:

dsiew81

Sep 27, 2009, 10:32 PM

Lol yes. I have my new 3gs thank you :)
and I said I would take a pic when I had time at work.

Actually:

Fine, i will take a picture Monday after i go to work. :apple:

We're all just after these pics. Don't blow all this hype, Ace!

nanofrog

Sep 27, 2009, 10:52 PM

We're all just after these pics. Don't blow all this hype, Ace!
My feelings on this as well.

Ace134blue: It's time to "put up, or shut up" as the saying goes.

rhett7660

Sep 27, 2009, 11:33 PM

So i just ordered another 6gb pack of ram (total of 12gb) for my mac pro 2.26 octo-core,

two 20,000 rpm SAS drives, a raid card, and 1 X-25M 160 gb SSD.

The sas drives are going to be for the OS and the X-25 for the apps. I just found that that i had my vista partition on a 1.5gb/s 4800 rpm sata drive(I know, i dont know why i didnt check to see how fast it was). Anyone think it will make a world of difference in crysis or was it just a waist of money? Also, anyone know the amount of ram it takes to completely turn of swap files?

Oh and its going to be in raid1

First you said you ordered the drives. Then you ordered them from CDW, then you have special pricing for your company, then only certain people can see this pricing then you say they are the slow drives that have a jumper or setting to spin them up.

Then you said this was for a Mac Pro and now it is for a XServer. Really which is it?

Really. Please show us the proof of this since any google search for this shows up with no results execpt for this thread. Please provide the thruth behind this wild claim of yours.

Not that I don't like the entertainment, but this should be moved to the wasteland.

tobyg

Sep 28, 2009, 12:24 AM

I'm reporting this thread. It's a waste of time, posts, and resources. Nothing in here is valid and real. And he still hasn't learned to multiquote. I seriously believe he's just trying to get enough posts to get into the marketplace, or maybe he's just really bored and uninformed.

This thread needs to be sent to the wasteland.

Tesselator

Sep 28, 2009, 03:11 AM

Of course it's not good to overclock anything. But how else do you think hard drive manufacturer do it? :p

So, this is part of the problem. You completely misunderstand what a hard drive is, what kind of motors are employed, and how HDDs work in general.

Of course it's bad for the HD itself, it's just the fact that you can. :)

There is no such fact. Rather this is either your fantasy or your misunderstanding.

belvdr

Sep 28, 2009, 09:47 AM

Have you tried it yourself before? Didnt think so. ;) Not saying it would make it exactly 15k just close to it

And how did you measure the RPMs of the drive? Don't say you heard it "revving" up, as that's just another way of saying "I have no idea what I did, but in my head it sounded faster."

And why would Apple have a jumper to increase the voltage when they are using standard drives?

What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever.

whooleytoo

Sep 28, 2009, 09:58 AM

I can traverse the whole map in ArmA2 in a jet without seeing any loading hickups... and thats on the stock 640 blue HD that comes with the pro. The impact of the HD is minimal when it comes to FPS unless you have a seriously inadequate system. Prior to having enough RAM, I couldn't simply look at a town through a sniper scope without without crazy stuttering as it loaded textures. If I had added an SSD instead of RAM I am sure it would have been a little better, but not much. Throughput of SSD ~200MB/s. Throughput of RAM ~4.8GB/s.

I can't really comment, as I've never seen Arma2. A lot would depend on the draw distance in the game, and the level-of-detail reduction (it's possible if you're flying about in a jet, the game loads low-poly-count models for objects in the ground, and low-res textures) which would - in addition to other benefits - reduce the amount of data that needs to be loaded on-the-"fly".

If the game is able to continuously load world/texture data as the character moves (quickly) around, without diminishing graphics quality, and without impacting performance on a mid-spec machine, then I'm impressed (and quite happy to be wrong!)

Ace134blue

Sep 28, 2009, 03:27 PM

Lol, you people think what you want but none of you can be for sure because none of you have access to an xserve.

Tesselator

Sep 28, 2009, 03:37 PM

Lol, you people think what you want but none of you can be for sure because none of you have access to an xserve.

I have the service manual. It says you're full-of-it.

nanofrog

Sep 28, 2009, 03:42 PM

I have the service manual. It says you're full-of-it.
No kidding. :rolleyes:

belvdr

Sep 28, 2009, 03:50 PM

Lol, you people think what you want but none of you can be for sure because none of you have access to an xserve.

I don't need access to an Xserve. I've seen enough hardware over the course of 16 years to know there has never been a jumper on any I/O interface to a hard drive, from IDE to FC, that allows you to increase the voltage.

You are the person that keeps saying it is possible, and even though you say you'll provide proof, you never do. Those are the traits of a liar.

tobyg

Sep 28, 2009, 04:23 PM

I don't need access to an Xserve. I've seen enough hardware over the course of 16 years to know there has never been a jumper on any I/O interface to a hard drive, from IDE to FC, that allows you to increase the voltage.

You are the person that keeps saying it is possible, and even though you say you'll provide proof, you never do. Those are the traits of a liar.

I'll one up you there... I don't recall a jumper like this being on any MFM, RLL, ESDI, SCSI (All variations, SCSI-1, 2, 3, wide, narrow, SCA, etc...), IDE/ATA/PATA/SATA, FC, 5.25in, 3.5in, 2.5in, 1.8in, etc, hard drives. It doesn't exist. I used to subscribe to this service that would send out a CD and books of all hard drives and their jumper settings. I can't remember what it was called, but every month they would send you new papers to put in your binders and every quarter a new cd. It was nuts. Good for doing support, but just crazy to keep track of all of these drives.

None of those drives had a magic jumper that would make them spin faster.

I really don't think he's lieing as much as he thinks he knows what he's talking about. He can't be older than 15 and thinks he knows what he's talking about.

Maybe there is some jumper for the delayed startup that he's disabling, so he hears it spin up 'faster' (as in it doesn't take as long to spin up). If it starts sooner it probably spins faster, right? :)

alphaod

Sep 28, 2009, 05:09 PM

Lol, you people think what you want but none of you can be for sure because none of you have access to an xserve.

I checked my server. I looked last night and couldn't find anything. You're full of it. I hope you're proud that you made me feel like a fool.

At least I got to clean out the inside of the case for once.

belvdr

Sep 28, 2009, 05:49 PM

I'll one up you there... I don't recall a jumper like this being on any MFM, RLL, ESDI, SCSI (All variations, SCSI-1, 2, 3, wide, narrow, SCA, etc...), IDE/ATA/PATA/SATA, FC, 5.25in, 3.5in, 2.5in, 1.8in, etc, hard drives. It doesn't exist. I used to subscribe to this service that would send out a CD and books of all hard drives and their jumper settings. I can't remember what it was called, but every month they would send you new papers to put in your binders and every quarter a new cd. It was nuts. Good for doing support, but just crazy to keep track of all of these drives.

Yeah I recall having a PC program for that back in the day. I cannot recall the name either.

Maybe there is some jumper for the delayed startup that he's disabling, so he hears it spin up 'faster' (as in it doesn't take as long to spin up). If it starts sooner it probably spins faster, right? :)

Oh yeah, I recall many older servers having a delayed startup option so all the drives weren't starting at once, thus overloading the power supply.

I still call him a liar, as he said he bought drives from CDW, and now he's down to a jumper on an Xserve. I think he's trying to lie his way out of this mess.

seadragon

Sep 28, 2009, 05:58 PM

Fine, i will take a picture Monday after i go to work. :apple:

Okay... Monday is here and the pics aren't. Oh, and don't forget to include a copy of today's front page of any nationally recognized newspaper beside the computer with a public clock in the background (just thought I'd throw that in).

alphaod

Sep 28, 2009, 06:06 PM

Okay... Monday is here and the pics aren't.

We won't be seeing any updates. I kind of hope the OP is not foolish enough to go and open up an Xserve while it's running seeing it's his employer's server (I think they'd definitely frown upon his endeavors to powering off the server in order to elongate his epeen).

seadragon

Sep 28, 2009, 06:12 PM

I kind of hope the OP is not foolish enough to go and open up an Xserve while it's running seeing it's his employer's server (I think they'd definitely frown upon his endeavors to powering off the server in order to elongate his epeen).

Funny, I was kinda hoping he would! :D

fr4c

Sep 28, 2009, 08:58 PM

Tesselator

Sep 28, 2009, 09:40 PM

I'm at work right now, and I just so happen to work in a room with 2 racks of Xserve's next to me (we're rolling out some new equipment for a cluster migration).

Please enlighten me and show me where these jumpers are, it would make my night a whole lot more fun.

Pspspsps, Like you even have to ask!?!? Everyone knows it's under the bifurcation array modifier right next to the I/O port polarity latch. Dude, like totally get a life. :p

Maserati7200

Sep 28, 2009, 09:58 PM

Thye have 20,000 RPM drives?? :eek:

seadragon

Sep 28, 2009, 10:04 PM

Thye have 20,000 RPM drives?? :eek:

Yep! Apparently you just flip the invisible dip switch inside the X-Serve.

Tesselator

Sep 28, 2009, 10:34 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/06/western-digital-developing-20-000rpm-raptor-to-take-on-ssds/

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2008/06/06/western-digital-working-on-20-000-rpm-raptor/1

http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/storage-soup/ssds-vs-20000-rpm-drives-who-wins-i-do/

Ace134blue

Sep 28, 2009, 10:38 PM

Yeah I recall having a PC program for that back in the day. I cannot recall the name either.

Oh yeah, I recall many older servers having a delayed startup option so all the drives weren't starting at once, thus overloading the power supply.

I still call him a liar, as he said he bought drives from CDW, and now he's down to a jumper on an Xserve. I think he's trying to lie his way out of this mess.

I did buy them from cdw. And people it's the nahelem Xserves.

Ace134blue

Sep 28, 2009, 10:39 PM

I have the service manual. It says you're full-of-it.

Servic manuals are crap. Does it tell you how to overclock the CPU? Thought not.

Ace134blue

Sep 28, 2009, 10:41 PM

I'm at work right now, and I just so happen to work in a room with 2 racks of Xserve's next to me (we're rolling out some new equipment for a cluster migration).

Please enlighten me and show me where these jumpers are, it would make my night a whole lot more fun.

Good, read page 2 I told where it is. Are the new Xserves nehalems?

belvdr

Sep 28, 2009, 10:43 PM

I did buy them from cdw. And people it's the nahelem Xserves.

You bought 20k rpm SAS drives from CDW? Yeah right. I also picked up the Golden Gate Bridge from Newegg.

Where's this proof you said you'd provide? Oh that's right, you have none.

Scippy

Sep 28, 2009, 10:45 PM

You know, its amazing that we are still feeding this troll.

belvdr

Sep 28, 2009, 10:46 PM

I doubt it would be in the manual, it might be in the service manual but i dont have a copy of it

Servic manuals are crap. Does it tell you how to overclock the CPU? Thought not.

You certainly flip flop a lot. No wonder you cannot provide proof.

belvdr

Sep 28, 2009, 10:48 PM

You know, its amazing that we are still feeding this troll.

I do it just to read what lies he'll spew next. Notice that he now purchased 20k SAS drives again.

I can read his mind now: "Oh no! They're on to me. Time to switch back to purchasing the drives!"

Scippy

Sep 28, 2009, 10:51 PM

I do it just to read what lies he'll spew next. Notice that he now purchased 20k SAS drives again.

I can read his mind now: "Oh no! They're on to me. Time to switch back to purchasing the drives!"

True.
The only things it doing though it upping his post count. :(

tobyg

Sep 29, 2009, 12:21 AM

True.
The only things it doing though it upping his post count. :(

I've already mentioned this and reported it. An admin seems to have consolidated some of his posts into multiquote posts.

This thread just needs to completely turn into garbage. It's well on it's way to the wasteland. The great thing about the wasteland is you lose credit for all of the posts.

Mods, please, for the sake of saving bandwidth, lock this thread and put it in the wasteland. I beg you.

ungraphic

Sep 29, 2009, 01:45 AM

I've already mentioned this and reported it. An admin seems to have consolidated some of his posts into multiquote posts.

This thread just needs to completely turn into garbage. It's well on it's way to the wasteland. The great thing about the wasteland is you lose credit for all of the posts.

Mods, please, for the sake of saving bandwidth, lock this thread and put it in the wasteland. I beg you.

I called it on page three:

There are too many misleading things said in this thread, from the whole 'faster hard drive = more fps in games' to a faster drive with a jumper switch.

This thread should be locked and deleted.