G5+

[yellowcab]

Look at this http://khn.multinet.pl/news/?id=529
What do you think about the specs?

[Ifeelbloated]

Uh, is that Polish or German?

[Stike]

Polish!! I can´t translate it either. Nut look at the date. The roadmap presented there is already known, and the text on that page refers to the last MWSF. And we all know what happened - no G5 likely ´till well... er... no...:rolleyes:

[pacoarango]

I have a polish friend, I ´ll try and get her to translate most of this and will post it if its interesting.

[job]

Altivec II? Hmm....interesting.

[Stike]

Originally posted by hitman
Altivec II? Hmm....interesting.

Although it seems old, this is beginning to make sense somehow. The G5 does not have an Altivec, right? That may be the reason that the current G5 is not usable by Apple up o date. Here is the G5+ mentioned, featuring Altivec II - it could emulate the G4´s Altivec, no?

This could be the reason that the G4 is further pumped up to satisfy the pro users until MWSF to, say, 1.4 GHz... and here comes the G5+.

The G5+ is said here to be ready between Q.3 2002 and Q.1 2003 if Moto are fast enough to bring supply, we will see the G5 on MWSF ´03 at least after that.

And, to be VERY optimistic, it said 3rd quarter 2002 - that conincides with AUGUST and VERY power-hungry software... WOW :eek: :eek: :D ;)

[Sun Baked]

It would be hard to emulate a SIMD unit as fast, since the Altivec unit operates on multiple data chunks in parallel using a single instruction.

You could emulate the instruction, but it may be 1/4 the speed. The best thing would be to send it to an alternate engine even if it isn't on the CPU.

[iH8Quark]

:o

no frickin way. forget it. aint gonna happen.

[Mr Jobs]

Originally posted by iH8Quark
:o

no frickin way. forget it. aint gonna happen.

iH8Quark (love you name) have some faith:D

[iH8Quark]

Originally posted by Mr Jobs


iH8Quark (love you name) have some faith:D

I've got faith. Lots of it. Faith that we won't see the G5 until we're all nucking futz. :D

I just find it hard to believe that a polish site would have the lowdown on Motorollas business plans. Do they even sell Macs there? Ehh... :rolleyes:

Thanks for the props on my name. 'preciate it. ;)

[yellowcab]

look at the rebate offers from apple on G4.
There must be something new soon and i expect it at Seybold.
But what will they bring us?
You've the scedule on the polish site

[kaneda]

according to zdnet Moto just released a G5 chip...I don't know if it is the chip uses in the Apple Powermac..

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-945430.html

[alex_ant]

But still, holy ****, did you see the G5 SPEC scores they listed? I know they were probably only predictions, but, damn!
* Szacowana wydajność: 1342 SpecInt2000 i 1364 SpecFP2000 przy zegarze 1,6GHz
I translate that to mean 1342/1364 at 1.6GHz.

Contrast that to:

- The 2.2GHz Pentium 4, at 814/801
- The 1.3GHz POWER4, at 814/1169
- The 1GHz Athlon, at 679/960
- The 1GHz G4, at 306/178 (sans AltiVec - and no, that's not a typo, the results really are that low)

All of a sudden it looks like, come whenever this damn chip will appear in a Mac, Apple just might find itself competitive again. If they can get the G5+ out by January... look out, x86.

More realistically, assuming we see the next Power Mac before September, that will mean no G5s until March at the earliest, assuming the traditional 6-month gap between new machine releases. I'll be super-realistic in line with all the disappointments Apple has been exhibiting lately and say we won't see it for another year at least.

Alex

[Mr. Anderson]

look at the date - its part of the motorola roadmap, which can be found on the motorola web site and is a little more upto date.

D

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M983989030230

[nuckinfutz]

I've got faith. Lots of it. Faith that we won't see the G5 until we're all nucking futz.


You called?

[alex_ant]

Oh my god... that was great :)

[gbojim]

The G5 does not have an Altivec, right?

Both the 8540 and 8560 parts have SIMD.

[iH8Quark]

the 8560 processor core, which runs between 600 MHz and 1GHz

yep...that sounds about right. Nice thought, but it's not going to do ***** for a 32bit operating system. So we're still stuck at 1GHz. And it also sounds like it's embedded. Most router and cellular communications sets are. Although I could be wrong.

Besides, if we see a G5, it's for naught intil OS X is compiled into 64 bit. That's not coming for 12 more months. anyone want to wager a gentleman's bet on that one?

[jefhatfield]

and they have a low voltage g5 mobility chip but that seems to be a ways off

but if powerbook goes to g5, ibook will certainly go to g4 then or sooner and that is what i am waiting for

not too long ago, powerbook was a g3 chip and so was it's consumer counterpart, the ibook

so that's why i think ibook can possibly, fingers crossed, go to g4 before tibook goes to "mobility g5"

but maybe at .13 microns, the desktop chip will be cool enough to run in the powerbook without soaking the battery time

.13 does not run hot in the way we define hot for laptops so that should not be a major concern

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by Ifeelbloated
Uh, is that Polish or German?

You can't even see the difference between a slavik language and an indo-german language?? Holy ****!

German has the same roots as English and Dutch and I always thought that is quite obvious when you see the language written...

:confused:

groovebuster

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by iH8Quark
I just find it hard to believe that a polish site would have the lowdown on Motorollas business plans. Do they even sell Macs there? Ehh... :rolleyes:

For the ignorant in this thread:

http://www.apple.com.pl/

Get well!

groovebuster

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by dukestreet
look at the date - its part of the motorola roadmap, which can be found on the motorola web site and is a little more upto date.

D

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M983989030230

Well, the roadmap doesn't say anything about the G5 being for high performance microcomputing. It just talks about the 85xx series to be targeted to the embedded and consumer market.

Apple has that agreement with Moto that they don't talk about the processors, before Apple announced them for their machines. That's probably why they don't show up on the roadmap.

groovebuster

[iH8Quark]

Originally posted by groovebuster


For the ignorant in this thread:

http://www.apple.com.pl/

Get well!

groovebuster

Holy Mary mother of God, LOOK at that SITE!!!

It looks like a Las Vegas strip club!

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by iH8Quark


Holy Mary mother of God, LOOK at that SITE!!!

It looks like a Las Vegas strip club!

Nobody claimed it would look good!!! ;) :D

groovebuster

[itinerarium]

It just looks, well, Polish. This is a country where 90% of the female population dye their hair in lurid, bottle-obvious colours. Where the drabness of the landscape has inspired that brilliant musical form known as Disco-Polo ( http://free.polbox.pl/f/falmar/ ).

To turn back to the whinging/kvetching side of things, I think there is a certain amount of fatalistic acceptance that overwhelms you after a while. I bought my first mac a little over a year ago (a 500 iBook), and while I love it, there's something strange that's happened - I loathe it for what it doesn't do, for what it doesn't have. Maybe loathe is too strong: its shortcomings irk me. And I keep hoping for the hardware release that will shout to me : 'this one ain't gonna lag. Commit to penury, buy it.' Lag - that's the thing, I think. The expectation-horizon will always be well beyond the reality, but the space between the two seems to have widened in the past year, rather than narrowed.

Just rambling. My apologies for a semi-incoherent first post.

[MisterMe]

Originally posted by kaneda
according to zdnet Moto just released a G5 chip...I don't know if it is the chip uses in the Apple Powermac..

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-945430.html

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Read the article. Motorola introduced its new PowerQUICC III chip for use in communications equipment, not Macs. Could it be used in Macs? I suppose.

As for the G5, it is not a chip. It will be the 5th generation RISC-based Macintosh. The designation is given by Apple, not the chip maker. When Apple introduces its next-generation systems, they may very well be based on the 85xx, but they could be based on another chip altogether.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by iH8Quark
yep...that sounds about right. Nice thought, but it's not going to do ***** for a 32bit operating system. So we're still stuck at 1GHz. And it also sounds like it's embedded. Most router and cellular communications sets are. Although I could be wrong.

Besides, if we see a G5, it's for naught intil OS X is compiled into 64 bit. That's not coming for 12 more months. anyone want to wager a gentleman's bet on that one?
The 64-bit version of G5, if that's the one Apple plans to use, is supposed to run both 64 and 32 bit code natively. The only way OS X wouldn't run on it would be if OS X were 64-bit and the G5 were 32-bit - in any other case, OS X would run fine.

Alex

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by MisterMe


Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Read the article. Motorola introduced its new PowerQUICC III chip for use in communications equipment, not Macs. Could it be used in Macs? I suppose.

As for the G5, it is not a chip. It will be the 5th generation RISC-based Macintosh. The designation is given by Apple, not the chip maker. When Apple introduces its next-generation systems, they may very well be based on the 85xx, but they could be based on another chip altogether.
Actually, G5 is a designation given by the chip maker, not by Apple. The G stands for "generation" - as in, "5th generation PowerPC." The PPC 601 was in generation 1, the 603/604 was in generation 2, the 750 was in generation 3, and the 7xx0 was in generation 4. The Gx designation has nothing to do with Macintosh generations.

Alex

[no name]

at the bottom of the polish web page there is a reference: geek.com

look at http://geek.com/procspec/apple/ and you find the specs there, nicely in english language.

Note that the document entitled g5+.htm has a last modification date of 15-Jul-2002 ...

[drastik]

that sounds pretty sick, and the date thing doesn't really bother me. It takes a hell of a long time to design and create a chip, much less to get it into mass production with usable yields. This has certianly been in the works for years, so an early date and a date from last week aren't that wierd.:D

Of course, I could dare to dream that there are two million of these things in cupertino being slapped onto mobos as I type.

I wonder if Apple would skip a chip generation? Maybe if they felt enough heat to catch up.;)

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by groovebuster


You can't even see the difference between a slavik language and an indo-german language?? Holy ****!

German has the same roots as English and Dutch and I always thought that is quite obvious when you see the language written...

:confused:

groovebuster

french plays an equally big role in the english language, too

look at the word work which is taken from german, but the word labor is taken from french

to a person in america, polish does look german far more than it looks like english...i took a few years of german in school so i know the difference but i see more similarities of polish to german than english to german...but the polish language has a lot more c,j, and z's

the apple website for poland is so dynamic looking compared to our subdued site in america

[MacCoinnich]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


french plays an equally big role in the english language, too

look at the word work which is taken from german, but the word labor is taken from french


English, Dutch and German all have a common root, wheras French (along with Spanish, Italian, Portugeuse and the other Romance languages) is descended from Latin, which English isn't. Though in all fairness, French has had a big influence on English, partly because French was the language of choice of the aristocracy about 800 years ago. At least a couple of the English kings didn't even speak English. As a demonstration - the words Pig, Cow and Sheep are all English words, while Pork, Beef and Mutton are all French descended words. It's clear who was doing the farming, and who was doing the eating.

[jefhatfield]

did someone say eating?

if i do a little less, then that number in my sig will say 160, which is my goal weight

i live in my pants so therefore that explains my location of 33W or in my 33-W pants which i hope to be 32-W when i am at 160 lbs

i am 5"7" so 170 is a little on the big side still