iPod Updater 2004-08-06 Now Available

[MacRumors]

Now available via Software Update:
[quote][i]iPod Updater 2004-08-06 includes iPod software 3.0.1 for iPods with a Click Wheel. iPod Updater 2004-08-06 contains the same software versions as iPod Updater 2004-07-15 for all other iPod models.

iPod Software 3.0.1 provides:

Improved connectivity with some FireWire cards using the VIA chipset
Improved connectivity with FireWire hubs, and with 4-pin FireWire ports
Improved power management
Improved performance with the optional external battery pack
Removing headphones while the hold switch is on no longer wakes iPod

For more information about iPod, go to http://www.apple.com/support/ipod.

[Mudbug]

Improved performance with the optional external battery packwhat external battery pack?

[Koree]

Grr, wish they would do something for my 3rd gen :o

[Counterfit]

what external battery pack? Probably the Belkin one.



Edit: w00t third reply! :D

[stoid]

what external battery pack?

The $60 pack that takes AA or AAA batteries and clips on the back. ;)

[virividox]

cranking out updates apple is :)

[Mudbug]

The $60 pack that takes AA or AAA batteries and clips on the back. ;)

ahh - that would be the one. thanks

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=T6714LL/A

[jsw]

Damn it. I just sent my new 4G 40GB - my first iPod - in for work yesterday because it kept rebooting spontaneously. I wish someone had been able to tell me this was coming - I would have at least liked to have tried it before sending my 'pod off for weeks.

[iGary]

Like every other recent update, I'm not touching this one either.

The iPod update before the last one killed mine.

The 10.3.5 update killed fonts in Quark at our office.

Etc., etc., etc. :D

[Phaeox]

I (and my 3g 20gb) was getting pretty excited when reading this thread title, before realising that the update didn't apply...

:(

[Wes]

I (and my 3g 20gb) was getting pretty excited when reading this thread title, before realising that the update didn't apply...

:(

I have given up hope of Apple updating my software for my 3G iPod. I doubt many new features will come out for the 3Gs as they are no longer in the spotlight and it is more incentive to buy a new iPod. They really should bring all the features to both as the hardware chip must be very similar.

[utah_boy2]

I hope will fix my iPod.

I have not been able to use the firewire cable yet. I waited for it all to load with usb 1.0 :mad: not fun.

Apple said I could send it in, and they would test it or replace it.

Lets see if anything changes.

Jordan

[AppleMatt]

Well that's confusing.

This thread says it's version 3.0.1. Software Update says it's version 3.0.2, the readme says it includes 3.0.1 and the Software Update "info panel" says it contains 3.0.1. In addition, the last iPod update contained 3.0.1 but didn't list these improvements.

When it's finished downloading I'll find out what version it says it includes. Has anyone updated their 4G iPods? What version does it say now?

I'm surpised the 3G's weren't updated to stop Reals music. If word got out that's all the update did, I'd be surprised if anyone applied it. This could work to our favour, as Apple would drop in something (maybe better power management or shuffle on main menu) to "encourage" people to upgrade and lock out Real. Here's hoping.

AppleMatt

edit: I'd love to tell you what version the package contains but it crashes on opening.

edit 2: It's because my iPod was connected but not mounted. It says it includes 3.0.1, which means it shouldn't be any different from the last updater, right?

[katanna]

In old updates for iPods, they usually say "recommended only for iPods with click wheel."
Will it hurt my 2nd gen if I download this?

Matthew

[musicpyrite]

I'm a little mad that Apple is not supporting 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen iPods.

grrrr

:mad:

[Lancetx]

In old updates for iPods, they usually say "recommended only for iPods with click wheel."
Will it hurt my 2nd gen if I download this?

It won't hurt, but it also won't do anything.

iPod Updater 2004-08-06 contains the same software versions as iPod Updater 2004-07-15 for all other iPod models.

[Lancetx]

I'm a little mad that Apple is not supporting 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen iPods.

grrrr

:mad:

Sure they are. If (more like when) Fairplay is updated to lockout Harmony, you'll see an update for all generations of iPods. Of course they aren't going to add new features, but your iPod will continue to work and support all of the compatible music formats just as it always has. :)

[0 and A ai]

I'm a little mad that Apple is not supporting 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen iPods.

grrrr

:mad:

Do you own one? Cause if you did you would know that there was an update for them not to long ago. my 3rd gen can do everything the new ones can. move along.

[AppleMatt]

Do you own one? Cause if you did you would know that there was an update for them not to long ago. my 3rd gen can do everything the new ones can. move along.

Including playing audiobooks at faster speeds without changing pitch?
Where's this update?

AppleMatt

[Lancetx]

Do you own one? Cause if you did you would know that there was an update for them not to long ago. my 3rd gen can do everything the new ones can. move along.

There are indeed new features that the 4G models have that the 3G and earlier models don't. But that's to be expected since they're a generation newer obviously. There aren't too many hardware or software products out there that continually update previous generation models to bring them up to the current one or otherwise there would never be any reason to ever upgrade! :p

Now having said that, Apple will continue to support the previous gen models to insure that they will be compatible with the iTMS and still do everything else that they have been able to do all along. It's not like they're losing features they previously had or anything.

[musicpyrite]

Do you own one? Cause if you did you would know that there was an update for them not to long ago. my 3rd gen can do everything the new ones can. move along.

Yes, a 15 GB 3rd generation.

As AppleMatt already said, can I play audiobooks at faster speeds without changing pitch?

Where's the pull head phone feature that will pause the music when I remove the head phones?

(possibly) Improved usage of battery through firmware update?

Charge via USB? (don't know if that is firmware or not though)

And if this is true, can I do anything with the AirPort Express?

[JohnGalt]

Now available via Software Update:
[quote][i]iPod Updater 2004-08-06 includes iPod software 3.0.1 for iPods with a Click Wheel.


I guess the mini is not considered a 'click wheel'??

Hey Apple, I want the new software features on my (current product) mini.

[gandalf55]

updated my 4G and it reads 3.0.1 - was 3.0.2 a typo or something?

oops - nm. :) 3.0.1. it is. no problems here.

[Object-X]

Did it break Harmony? :p

[stoid]

Charge via USB? (don't know if that is firmware or not though)

Can't happen. USB doesn't provide enough power. I think that power over USB is only about a third of FireWire power. Yet another reason that FireWire kicks the **** out of USB. :D

[joeboy_45101]

And this just shows that Apple still sucks when it comes to updating the 3Gen iPods.

[salutations]

i want to use an uploading program to bring songs from my ipod to my mac. the program asks for my ipod's name. anyone know how i find it? :

[joeboy_45101]

There are indeed new features that the 4G models have that the 3G and earlier models don't. But that's to be expected since they're a generation newer obviously. There aren't too many hardware or software products out there that continually update previous generation models to bring them up to the current one or otherwise there would never be any reason to ever upgrade! :p

Oh, so I guess by your logic the new dual 2.5Ghz PowerMac G5's then shouldn't be able to run Mac OS 10.4 when it's released.

[iMeowbot]

i want to use an uploading program to bring songs from my ipod to my mac. the program asks for my ipod's name. anyone know how i find it? :
Go into the iPod's Settings menu, and pick About. The first line is your iPod's name.

[iMeowbot]

They really should bring all the features to both as the hardware chip must be very similar.
The 3G and 4G do have rather different chipsets. The 4G more closely resembles the mini.

[Elan0204]

Can't happen. USB doesn't provide enough power. I think that power over USB is only about a third of FireWire power. Yet another reason that FireWire kicks the **** out of USB. :D

Except the 4G iPods can be charged over USB.

[Porchland]

i want to use an uploading program to bring songs from my ipod to my mac. the program asks for my ipod's name. anyone know how i find it? :

Buy it a drink? Oh, um, if the iPod is showing up on your desktop, it should show a name underneath. Mine's named scottPod.

[ZildjianKX]

The 3G and 4G do have rather different chipsets. The 4G more closely resembles the mini.

There is no reason they can't add shuffle to the 3g iPods.

How poorly Apple supports previous generations of iPods is reason enough not to buy another if you already own one... quite the opposite of Apple's marketing to get you to buy another.

[myapplseedshurt]

Or so apple would think. I call my pod purplenurple, and it likes it a lot. Sometimes, I cuddle with it in bed and I sing to it. a little role reversal.

I think it actually helps the battery. :eek:

[myapplseedshurt]

Buy it a drink? Oh, um, if the iPod is showing up on your desktop, it should show a name underneath. Mine's named scottPod.

funny :p

[ifjake]

a lot of you guys are assuming that the innards of the 4G iPod are exactly like the innards of the 3G and therefore the 3G should be able to do everything the 4G can. somehow i don't think this is entirely the case. then again i don't even own an iPod, so i wouldn't really know. but if having a 3G iPod is so bad i'll gladly take it off your hands for you.

[utah_boy2]

There is no reason they can't add shuffle to the 3g iPods.

How poorly Apple supports previous generations of iPods is reason enough not to buy another if you already own one... quite the opposite of Apple's marketing to get you to buy another.


This is the same thing everyone said with the 2nd to 3rd generations.

Enough already.

-Jordan

[~Shard~]

Got excited when I saw this in my software updater, however I then realized it's only for click-wheel iPods. I hope Apple isn't going to abandon updates for the 1G, 2G and 3G iPods just yet - my 3G is only a few months old!

[fabsgwu]

Yes, a 15 GB 3rd generation.

As AppleMatt already said, can I play audiobooks at faster speeds without changing pitch?

Where's the pull head phone feature that will pause the music when I remove the head phones?

(possibly) Improved usage of battery through firmware update?

Charge via USB? (don't know if that is firmware or not though)

And if this is true, can I do anything with the AirPort Express?

To be fair the 4th Gen is completely new inside according to apple.

[fabsgwu]

There is no reason they can't add shuffle to the 3g iPods.

How poorly Apple supports previous generations of iPods is reason enough not to buy another if you already own one... quite the opposite of Apple's marketing to get you to buy another.

While its nice they added "shuffle songs" to the main menu, it's not a new feature, at all.

[fabsgwu]

Can't happen. USB doesn't provide enough power. I think that power over USB is only about a third of FireWire power. Yet another reason that FireWire kicks the **** out of USB. :D

The 4th Gen ipod CAN charge from USB, it takes a little longer though...

from Cnet: "An Apple spokesperson clarified this, saying that recharge time is only 3 hours when using FireWire, though the process over USB will take longer."

[aswitcher]

Got excited when I saw this in my software updater, however I then realized it's only for click-wheel iPods. I hope Apple isn't going to abandon updates for the 1G, 2G and 3G iPods just yet - my 3G is only a few months old!

I am in the same boat...this really sux that an almost new ipod is now looking like its been left behind for cool features and support...

Pity Apple dont have a trade up option for iPods in their first 6months-year to keep fans happy... dreaming I know...

[Doctor Q]

The new updater said my iPod mini (which is named qPod if you must know) was already up to date.

[nate13]

i was really hoping for a enhancement to the 3g iPods (i have a 30 gb) and was struck down by the iPod gods... and you know their out there... every time a iPod battery dies, someone has chose a music player other than a iPod. one day, iPod batteries will last forever!!!!! :D very interesting though, maybe a iTunes 4.7 on the way?? :cool:
~Nate

[stifler]

The 3.0.1 update seems to have added support for my ADS Pryo firewire card! You know how these things can come and go though... Hope it still sees my 4G 40Gb iPod tomorrow.

Buh Bye USB 1.1!

It's a long story of no firewire support, and a cheap USB 2.0 card that showed up as both 2.0 and 1.1. Of course all the hardware ended up on the 1.1 side. I hate Windows XP! (No suggestions for fixing the USB 2.0 please... I've tried everything! It's just a worthless card.)

[iMeowbot]

There is no reason they can't add shuffle to the 3g iPods.
They don't need to add it because it's already there. The 3G I use here (it's named iMeowpod) has always had shuffle play.

[10 Goto 10]

Hope it updates my 1G Dual G5. I had it less than a year (orD3rEd 1+ +H3 D4Y 1T c4mE 0u+!!!! p0weR U$3r!!!!! ) and already the newest G5 goes faster. I'm never buying anotha CRAPple product 'cause they are treating me like such a bitch. 1'm g3++iN 4N Al1en 8oaRD SY5+Em (Y0U 4R3 5o 0wn3d) 4Nd 4 RIO kR@Pa pl4Y3r. 5crew j00 J0BZ!
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[swissmann]

Interesting discussions on older generations etc. I really didn't read too much that seemed like it was on topic. I am too deep into projects to install all the recent updates yet. So I was wondering if anyone who has an iPod 4G has installed the update and noticed improvements or problems. That would be more helpful than a lot of the posts.

In response to those posts - my opinion is that if you bought an older iPod because you liked what it had to offer you should still be happy with it because it offers the same thing it did then. If you like what the new machines are capable of don't complain go buy one. My Macintosh LC couldn't run OS X so I bought a G4. My G4 couldn't author a DVD as quickly as a G5 so I bought a Dual G5.

Thanks in advance to those posters reporting on the good/bad of the update.

[Whotheheck]

I can understand if apple doesn't add all the new 4G features to the 3G ipod but some are so easy to add it's like a kick in the nuts that they don't add them. What's so hard about adding the shuffle option on the 3G's menu??? I don't want a 4G iPod... I think it's ugly.

[Blue Moon]

...but when are we going to see Lossless supported in older models????

[macridah]

Apple needs to update the iPod 3G's! I wish I had the menus and battery life as the 4G's :(

[tex210]

I can understand if apple doesn't add all the new 4G features to the 3G ipod but some are so easy to add it's like a kick in the nuts that they don't add them. What's so hard about adding the shuffle option on the 3G's menu??? I don't want a 4G iPod... I think it's ugly.

The main menu shuffle is preset to go through your entire library from what I hear... you don't reallywant it. As for the ugly comment, well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Me, I finally want an iPod. Can't afford one now though. (Shakes fist at current economy)

[Oirectine]

Including playing audiobooks at faster speeds without changing pitch?
Where's this update?

AppleMatt

By the way, about that... After trying to listen to some of the 9/11 Commission hearings faster, I have come to the conclusion that the feature isn't really worth it. It seems to kind of chops out the space between words and it makes it much harder to listen to. All in all, I don't think anyone without this feature is missing much. However, I'm sure some people disagree ;)

[nagromme]

I'm pretty sure the iPod changes book speed the same way Soundtrack and Garageband change sample speeds without altering pitch (and vice versa)--everything gets speeded up equally, not just the silent gaps (which really are non-existent in a lot of spoken sentences). Also, you can slow the book down--I bet more people use that than speeding up.

[Ja Di ksw]

Damn it. I just sent my new 4G 40GB - my first iPod - in for work yesterday because it kept rebooting spontaneously. I wish someone had been able to tell me this was coming - I would have at least liked to have tried it before sending my 'pod off for weeks.

repairing the trackpad, screen, and casing on my powerbook had it back here 3 or 4 days after I sent it out. You'll get it back soon.

[davecomp]

hey i just bought a new ipod and now i have a update to install nice. To bad its stuck in Shanghai because of bad weather fedex says they can do anything it sucks and i paid for 2 day shipping. i also agree apple should atlest still provide updates for the older ipods :(

[robotrenegade]

Why can't apple write a app that also deletes the old updaters?

[slightly]

1'm g3++iN 4N Al1en 8oaRD SY5+Em (Y0U 4R3 5o 0wn3d) 4Nd 4 RIO kR@Pa pl4Y3r.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there seems to be something the matter with your keyboard. You might want to get that replaced too.

[utah_boy2]

My 4th Generation iPod as of yesterday would not work over the firewire, so I used usb, with a usb 1.0 port.

Now, after the update, my firewire works great.


Jordan

Note: I was using the downsizer/adapter for a 6to4 pin.

[Gatorman]

Just in time for the arrival for my new iPod! Now....only if it would get here...or will Charlie delay its arrival! :rolleyes:

[Lancetx]

Oh, so I guess by your logic the new dual 2.5Ghz PowerMac G5's then shouldn't be able to run Mac OS 10.4 when it's released.

No. The 3G (and 2G and 1G) iPod still plays the exact same music formats that the 4G does, so it's not remotely the same thing. My logic is that if you buy a 2.5GHz Power Mac G5 today, you shouldn't expect to receive a free upgrade bringing that Power Mac completely up to par with the 3.0GHz Power Mac G5s (new CPUs, video card, etc) when those eventually come along. Same thing if you bought a 3G iPod, you can't expect it to have all the additional features that the 4G does now that it's available. Otherwise nobody would ever buy the new model of anything... :rolleyes:

[drlunanerd]

No. The 3G (and 2G and 1G) iPod still plays the exact same music formats that the 4G does...

The 1G and 2G will not play Apple Lossless.

[zpapasmurf]

Im gonna have to go ahead and say that this is quite funny...

I came on these forums... maybe somewhere else, im not sure about a month after I bought my 10gb 2g when the 3g came out...

I was whining about why they didnt offer firmware upgrades for my iPod...

All the 3g owners responded (In a mean tone, too) "Does it still do the same things as when you bought it?! Well then you have nothing to be angry about".

They sat there thinking their 3g would get free firmware updates for life... but as soon as the 4g comes out, those same people are now whining about why their ipods dont get new firmware updates..

Lol... what goes around comes around I guess, and in the end we all take it up the tailpipe from Apple. :D

[Muzukun]

Im gonna have to go ahead and say that this is quite funny...

I came on these forums... maybe somewhere else, im not sure about a month after I bought my 10gb 2g when the 3g came out...

I was whining about why they didnt offer firmware upgrades for my iPod...

All the 3g owners responded (In a mean tone, too) "Does it still do the same things as when you bought it?! Well then you have nothing to be angry about".

They sat there thinking their 3g would get free firmware updates for life... but as soon as the 4g comes out, those same people are now whining about why their ipods dont get new firmware updates..

Lol... what goes around comes around I guess, and in the end we all take it up the tailpipe from Apple. :D

ouch, hehe, this must be rather sweet for you to be watching others go through this then now huh? :)

I'm a 3G owner and I'm still happy with it, however I really... REALLY would like the shuffle command right there in the front like that instead of having to go through a menu or two more. For those of you who can't figure out why try playing around with your ipod in LA traffic (and no it's not sitting there with the breaks on the entire time...)

Overall though I personally think apple should continue to deliver updates to all ipods. Other companies continue to deliver updates to their previous products. Look at videocards, they all do the same thing but now and then the company will release drivers that releases new features or gives more performance or something else, different market yes but despite that I would like apple to do the same.

I also don't think it would really hurt the 4G sales... If someone is going to buy one, they will. The ipod is very much a piece of status as is it a mp3 player. At my school you RARELY see a 1G or a 2G ipod, they can be found yes, but the 3Gs are the ones you see. If someone feels that they have to have the latest design they'll do it. I'm not sure how many people out there would think that 300 dollars and up is worth it for a few new features and improved battery life...



speaking of battery life anyone know the website that sold replacement 3G ipod batteries that last longer? :) (35 dollars or so is worth that ^-^)

[sakasune]

iPod Updater 2004-08-06 contains the same software versions as iPod Updater 2004-07-15 for all other iPod models

am i the only one who read this part and isnt pissed about not getting updates? (yeah, i have a 3G...and it's name is Englebert Humperdinck)

[AppleMatt]

am i the only one who read this part and isnt pissed about not getting updates? (yeah, i have a 3G...and it's name is Englebert Humperdinck)

No...but you're definitely the only one who posted in this thread without reading it.

AppleMatt

[Awimoway]

The shuffle feature on the 4G is a complete ripoff. I don't know if someone screwed up or if Apple committed a rare act of utterly boneheaded design.


What Apple originally claimed it would do:
Allow you to turn shuffle on and off at the Main Menu level. This implies shuffling songs or albums within playlists, artist lists, album lists, etc.

What Apple's website (but not the 4G's manual, which hasn't been rewritten yet) NOW says it will do:
Shuffle all the songs in your whole library. One minute Pavarotti is belting out "Nessun Dorma," the next minute Alice in Chains has come to kill the rooster. Jarring? Yes. Half-assed? Indeed. Not quite what people had in mind when they first learned that Shuffle could now be activated from the main level? You betcha.


I was just about to take one up the tailpipe, as someone put it, and buy the 4G model. I already had a buyer for my 3G. But now I've changed my mind. That was the number one new feature I wanted.

[Ambrose Chapel]

there hasn't been many replies from 4G owners who have installed this...did it work ok or did people have problems? i'm still holding off, but i like the promise of improved power management...

[wdlove]

I don't have an iPod, but I went ahead and installed it last evening. All caught up on my "Software Updates." :)