30 MegaBit Internet, Anyone? [Archive]

jimsowden

Aug 26, 2004, 08:46 PM

Man, must have now!

Verizon Communications has stepped up its battle against cable operators with plans to debut a broadband-over-fiber service later this summer.

The service, called Fios, will be launched in Keller, Texas, and later parts of southern California and Florida, the company said Monday. At up to 30mbps (megabits per second), Fios is a quantum leap compared with Verizon's DSL (digital subscriber line) service, which runs at a maximum of 1.5mbps.

Fios can reach these speeds because it's based on fiber-optic lines that serve Internet access at a much higher clip than the traditional copper wires that support DSL.

Read the whole thing here (http://news.com.com/Verizon's+fiber+race+is+on/2100-1034_3-5275171.html).
I will be the first one to sign up and start hosing my own page.

mlw1235

Aug 26, 2004, 08:58 PM

30 mbps.....hehe....think of all the fun you could have on that..... :rolleyes:

No seriously, too bad I don't live in the areas where it will be happening.... :(

King Cobra

Aug 26, 2004, 09:18 PM

Big whoop. I know a friend online with 100 megabit high-speed. It's out there. 30 megabit isn't any sort of breakthrough... except it was available for Satellite internet access.

phreakout13

Aug 26, 2004, 09:22 PM

What about OC768? That's 40 Gigs per second :p

Apple Hobo

Aug 26, 2004, 09:26 PM

How about an OC-3 line? Those go about 155.52 Mbps. :eek: If you were rich, could you set up an OC-3 for your house? Or would this line be the type of line that only supplies internet access to a large office building or network backbone?

themadchemist

Aug 26, 2004, 09:37 PM

wow. we pay around 40 just for a maximum of 2 megabits. This is a great deal, with 2 to 5 megabits going for 40 bucks.

phreakout13

Aug 26, 2004, 09:37 PM

I dunno if OC-3 could work like any other internet hookup. T3 is probably the highest you could have in a home, but that's just a wild guess. I wonder what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs has :)

jimsowden

Aug 26, 2004, 09:40 PM

Yeah, well theoretically you could spend money like akamai and get a Terabit in your house. But nobody will. THis is real, and feasable.

Abstract

Aug 27, 2004, 12:31 AM

Well Canada is (or was 3 years ago, not sure about now) the best country in the world for telecommunications, mostly attributed to the large size of the country and the small, spread out population. Anyway, I believe I get 10Mbps at a cost of around $27 USD per month. :)

In Oz, internet is crap. You pay an arm and a leg for internet here.

ravenvii

Aug 27, 2004, 12:37 AM

In Oz, internet is crap. You pay an arm and a leg for internet here.

Yeah, no kidding, that Wizard is one greedy bastard... :D

sushi

Aug 27, 2004, 12:44 AM

Man, must have now!
Nice to see the improvement. It's about time!

Here in Japan we've had FTTH (Fiber To The Home) for a few years. It's only 100Mbps. :) Cost seems to be between $45 to $60 per month depending where you live.

In my case, I have the worst possible ADSL line, which is 1.5Mbps. But I only pay about $25 per month for it. Haven't seen a need to upgrade to FTTH yet, but probably will someday.

BTW, for those with DSL lines, how long does it take to DL the Mac OS 9.2.1 (82MB file) from the Apple site? With my connection it takes 13-15 minutes. With my buddies FTTH it takes less than 10 seconds.

Sushi

Counterfit

Aug 27, 2004, 01:12 AM

Mmm, Fiber. I wonder how Cox is going to respond, seeing as they spent uber-$$ and time putting fiber up a few years ago.

iJon

Aug 27, 2004, 01:17 AM

OMG, i would have all the porn in the world.

iJon

jimsowden

Aug 27, 2004, 01:18 AM

BTW, for those with DSL lines, how long does it take to DL the Mac OS 9.2.1 (82MB file) from the Apple site? With my connection it takes 13-15 minutes. With my buddies FTTH it takes less than 10 seconds.

Sushi
I'm moving to Japan. *Packs bags, flags cab, and plane heads off*

KC9AIC

Aug 27, 2004, 06:25 AM

Nice to see the improvement. It's about time!

Here in Japan we've had FTTH (Fiber To The Home) for a few years. It's only 100Mbps. :) Cost seems to be between $45 to $60 per month depending where you live.

In my case, I have the worst possible ADSL line, which is 1.5Mbps. But I only pay about $25 per month for it. Haven't seen a need to upgrade to FTTH yet, but probably will someday.

BTW, for those with DSL lines, how long does it take to DL the Mac OS 9.2.1 (82MB file) from the Apple site? With my connection it takes 13-15 minutes. With my buddies FTTH it takes less than 10 seconds.

Sushi

I'm in the same position as sushi. I've got the 1.5 Mbps line from NTT's FLETS service (who thought of the name "FLETS"?), and would only have to pay about $3 more per month to get to 24 Mbps. It's not much compared to one of my friend, who lives in the country (iinaka), and gets 45 Mbps and VoIP. One guy I know has FTTH. It's far faster than almost any server can keep up with.

Brother Michael

Aug 27, 2004, 09:29 PM

jimsowden

Aug 27, 2004, 09:42 PM

Bah! My friend at Case Western Reserve in Cleveland, Ohio has a 1 Gigabit Ethernet line.

My cousin works for Nationwide Insurance...they have a 20 Gigabit line connecting their two main central offices in Columbus.

Mike
What are we, in elementary school will this baseless bragging? Get your ego-trip elsewhere. *insert illogical smiley face here*

iElvis

Aug 27, 2004, 10:22 PM

BakedBeans

Aug 28, 2004, 03:40 AM

i would like to spare a moment for the guys using 56k....
and even me with 750k (which is more like 512)
its amazing how many of you guys have such good internet connections...

i mean i dream of using gigabit.... no more waiting for pages to load... songs in a tick... i wish....

Nermal

Aug 28, 2004, 04:35 AM

In Oz, internet is crap. You pay an arm and a leg for internet here.

And in NZ it's both arms and both legs :eek:

The local monopoly has announced that they want fibre to '100 % of customers' by the end of 2012. They cover about 40 % of customers at the moment. Most of those customers would be businesses.

sushi

Aug 28, 2004, 07:02 AM

And in NZ it's both arms and both legs :eek:
I think one reason that Broadband (ADSL/Cable/FTTH) has been so popular in Japan, is that they charge for local phone calls.

Depending on your situation, and service, it is usually around 10 yen for 3 minutes or 200 yen for an hour. Using a 1-100 conversion rate, that's basically 2 bucks an hour for internet usage.

So if you are on the net for 2 hours per day, that would be 4 bucks a day times 30/31 or $120/$124 per month. Of course there were some plans to decrease this cost, but I think that you get my point. It was damned expensive to connect via modem.

With ADSL, you could be on 24/7 with virtually no local phone call cost. That was a huge selling point in deploying ADSL.

Sushi

virividox

Aug 28, 2004, 08:27 AM

korea and japan have 20 and 30 mbit lines, its almost standard

sushi

Aug 28, 2004, 09:17 AM

korea and japan have 20 and 30 mbit lines, its almost standard
Don't know about Korea.

However, Japan has the following:

- ADSL from 1.5 up to 45Mbps
(There may be one plan around 750Kbps, but not sure)

- FTTH at 100Mbps

- Wireless from 32Kbps to 128Kbps
(Bandwidth and availability depending on location)

Not sure about Cable bandwidth.

Sushi

sushi

Aug 28, 2004, 09:20 AM

However, Japan has the following:

- ADSL from 1.5 up to 45Mbps
(There may be one plan around 750Kbps, but not sure)
Just saw a 1Mbps plan.

Again, believe that there is one lower for those in the boonies! :D

Also, Yahoo BB has a 45Mbps extended coverage plan that maintains a higher throughput than the normal dropoff for those located a long ways from the switch/station.

Sushi

scem0

Aug 28, 2004, 11:24 PM

I guess that means that it will expand to Austin pretty quick.

It is a must have! hehe, well, it depends on the price.

scem0

DarkNovaMatter

Aug 29, 2004, 12:22 AM

Well tell me when the rest of the internet gets finally up to that speed. :rolleyes: I thought that by getting 1 megabit wireless I was going to get to be able to download files very fast. Our line is only 1 megabit but our nice local ISP allows for that (still only have to pay $45 and thats for the starter) to expand up to 5 megabit. I thought that this was going to be even better- until I found out that most servers only usually download at speeds 50k-100K normally. I barely even find a 300K a second server! One thing thats nice about this service is its same speed both ways!

Another thing that has to change is the rate of download/upload. Most DSL lines only allow 1/4 of the download speed (if that) for an upload. The US needs to do something about big telco's not wanting to provide service. I live in Colorado, not close to any major city, but still not that far. Qwest would not do anything out in my area- nothing. So finally a nice local company (my ISP) came in got access to the fibre lines (I was only able to get 56k before, yet was on top of miles of fibre- ironic isn't it?) and placed their wireless towers wherever they could put service. Now that they have done that QWest wants to offer wireless DSL around here. I would love it if they simply skipped the upgrade to the US networks, and supplied Internet 2 capable connections to anyone and everyone.

sushi

Aug 29, 2004, 01:02 AM

I would love it if they simply skipped the upgrade to the US networks, and supplied Internet 2 capable connections to anyone and everyone.
It seems that the USofA is a bit behind in providing Internet service.

Have the Internet 2 specs been finalized? If so, it would make sense to go directly to Internet 2 vice upgrading current infrastructure.

Sushi

sonyrules

Aug 29, 2004, 07:41 AM

Man, must have now!

Read the whole thing here (http://news.com.com/Verizon's+fiber+race+is+on/2100-1034_3-5275171.html).
I will be the first one to sign up and start hosing my own page.

This is not all it is cracked up to be, I work for Verizon DSL tech support. And this service in its trial stage is very unreliable. We are supposed to provide techsupport for this when it becomes availible. DSL is a horrible enough product, I am sure this wont be any better.

sushi

Aug 29, 2004, 10:29 AM

DSL is a horrible enough product, I am sure this wont be any better.
Here in Japan, ADSL works great.

Of course we have a bit higher rates such as up to 45Mbps so maybe that has something to do with it.

Sushi

oreo

Aug 29, 2004, 12:14 PM

Nermal

Aug 29, 2004, 06:12 PM

Spare a thought for the UK, we are so far behind. They are still loads of places unable to connect to a high speed connection. At the moment a 1megabit connection seems to be the standard & that's about £30 ($50)

In NZ broadband is expensive (~US$40 for 128 kb/s) but it's available practically everywhere. Other places seem to have less coverage and lower prices. Why do we have to be so spread out down here? :rolleyes:

GMTRX

Sep 2, 2004, 11:54 AM

According to verizon website and customer service, their new fios service does not support the Mac. They don't know when they will.

sushi

Sep 2, 2004, 12:12 PM

At the moment a 1megabit connection seems to be the standard & that's about £30 ($50)
Ouch!

For about $60, I can get 100Mbps FTTH line. Let's see, for about $10 more per month I can get 100 times the bandwidth. Wow! Not bad at all! :D

Sushi

sushi

Sep 2, 2004, 12:14 PM

According to verizon website and customer service, their new fios service does not support the Mac. They don't know when they will.
How can they not support the Mac?

Everything is set up via a web browser to the Router or Router/Modem.

Signed confused?

Sushi

yellow

Sep 2, 2004, 12:33 PM

My comapny is getting screwed.

My company pays ~$75/month for me to have 1.5Mbps down/384Mbps up (and a static IP) through a deal the set up with a local company. Their bandwidth sucks. I'm lucky if I get 1/2 the rated speeds at non-peak hours.

Idiots.

yellow

Sep 2, 2004, 12:34 PM

How can they not support the Mac?

It will probably work with a Mac (or anything else), but they don't want to have to support Mac users that call up with problems.

Tiauguinho

Sep 2, 2004, 12:39 PM

yellow

Sep 2, 2004, 12:44 PM

You're right, we're both getting hosed. My saving grace is that my department pays for it.

GMTRX

Sep 2, 2004, 03:34 PM

How can they not support the Mac?

Everything is set up via a web browser to the Router or Router/Modem.

Signed confused?

Sushi

I was in the process of ordering Fios for my home when they asked me what computer I was using. I said a Mac and then they said we don't support Macs with Fios. :confused:

jimsowden

Sep 2, 2004, 05:01 PM

I was in the process of ordering Fios for my home when they asked me what computer I was using. I said a Mac and then they said we don't support Macs with Fios. :confused:
Support. THey didn't say it wouldn't work.

sushi

Sep 2, 2004, 07:57 PM

It will probably work with a Mac (or anything else), but they don't want to have to support Mac users that call up with problems.
Roger. Understand.

Sushi

senseibiz

Sep 2, 2004, 09:53 PM

Damm I pay $49/ month for a 3 MPS.

Woof Woof

Sep 15, 2004, 11:27 PM

FIOS Works with Macs just fine. When I ordered the service, I told them I had a PC... which is true.

When the installers came out, I told them I would prefer not to install the Verizon software on my PC, I would configure the router and my email clients by hand. They were a little hesitant, but then they just hooked up the laptop they brought with them to the supplied router and took me to the signup page. So... no Verizon software anywhere on my machines.

The Dual G4 and the Powerbooks work fine. The supplied router was the D-Link DI-624. They provide a wired router, the wireless router is a $68 upgrade. They also don't want you upgrading the firmware on it since they have custom firmware so they can do diags. Screw that... the supplied firmware was crashing a couple times a day so I overwrote it. I hope that fixes the daily crashes!

Speed is amazing. I haven't found a trailer yet at the Apple trailer site that didn't start playing immediately, and did't finish loading within seconds. Typical transfer rates are 1200KB (yes, BYTES) a sec from Apple's download page. Even the pathetic Pismo pulled down the 10.3.5 88MB update in about 2 mins over a wireless connect!

Yep... I'm lovin' it.

Counterfit

Sep 16, 2004, 01:46 AM

until I found out that most servers only usually download at speeds 50k-100K normally. I barely even find a 300K a second server It's not the servers fault you're getting a 100KB/s download. 8 Bits = 1 byte. 1000Kbits / 8 (per byte) = 125KB

I would love it if they simply skipped the upgrade to the US networks, and supplied Internet 2 capable connections to anyone and everyone. Are you prepared to pay for the amount of fiber it would take to connect everyone? I wonder how many THOUSAND miles of phone and cable lines we have in the US...

JFreak

Sep 16, 2004, 02:51 AM

Well... I pay €105 for a 1Mbit/256 with a static IP (static IP is €45 per month), so that adds up to €150 for a crappy line compared to yours... Man, do I feel cheated or what! :(

P.S. Did I mention that unlimited traffic is €74 more? :D

man, my dsl company is cheap compared to yours :) they give me 512/512 with one static ip for 39 euros per month... but that's a consumer connection, which means no guaranteed bandwidth. companies need some guarantee about the (state of) connection, so they pay more, mainly because the connection is better monitored by the provider.

Wyvernspirit

Sep 17, 2004, 01:01 PM

I pay about $40 for a 3Mb line. Still think its a rip off but its way better than using a 56K modem. Never want to have to go back to that.

MongoTheGeek

Sep 17, 2004, 03:43 PM

It's not the servers fault you're getting a 100KB/s download. 8 Bits = 1 byte. 1000Kbits / 8 (per byte) = 125KB

Are you prepared to pay for the amount of fiber it would take to connect everyone? I wonder how many THOUSAND miles of phone and cable lines we have in the US...

Millions of mile. Figure the perimeter of the continental US is over 10,000 mi, 3000 miles to the edges of AK and HI. you are looking at least 25,000 miles just to get 1 wire into every state. I imagine there are a thousand miles of phone in some buildings.

Mechcozmo

Sep 17, 2004, 06:37 PM

My server is hooked up to a 40megabit wireless internet connection at a friends house. It is provided by the local ISP and not many people have it. He also has a separate T1 line for him and his family.

Did I mention that they are both free? Well i guess its a good perk for being the president of the ISP. :cool:

Some people get all the luck...please leave at least some for us!

Y'know, you can get perfectly good and free internet if you take your PowerBook/iBook and walk around...There are at least 5 WiFi networks in our neighborhood (not counting ours) and 3 of them don't have WEP enabled. When I travel, I always have hispeed internet connections.
;D

senseibiz

Oct 12, 2004, 01:27 PM

Cox cable just upgraded my account to 5 mb/s down and 780 up for the same price I pay now which is $ 49/mo
Finnaly.......

before I had 3 mb/s down and about 200 up....

virividox

Oct 12, 2004, 01:46 PM

i have 10mbit BUT THE internet nazis at my school have blocked anything worth getting visiting sigh cept macrumors of course

johnnyjibbs

Oct 12, 2004, 03:48 PM

I have 256kbps broadband and that costs £18 ($30) a month for unlimited useage. It costs £24 ($40) a month for 512k, which is more than my parents are willing to pay for theirs.

However, what's the point in having 50Mbps or whatever speed if the rest of the internet is slow? I mean, whatever point you're accessing is only as fast as the slowest link right?

frozenstar

Oct 12, 2004, 04:56 PM

I pay $40/month for a cable connection that ranges in speed from 3 to 6mbps. That's plenty of bandwidth obviously, but I see spikes in latency from time to time. I'd easily pay $45/month for a 15mbps connection with no latency. Unfortunately I expect it may be some time before the Fios service reaches New York.

mpw

Oct 13, 2004, 04:06 AM

Spare a thought for the UK, we are so far behind. They are still loads of places unable to connect to a high speed connection. At the moment a 1megabit connection seems to be the standard & that's about £30 ($50)

Try 512kbs fot £25/month 2Mbs available at £90/month sign up fee of £115. Only other option is 56kps Dial-up for 1p/min. That's it there's only one telephone company available. (51% State owned)

jimsowden

May 4, 2005, 09:41 PM

Two of my friends just got this is Doylestown, PA. One the 5/2 and the other 15/2. It's sickening.

Chip NoVaMac

May 5, 2005, 12:57 AM

Man, must have now!

Read the whole thing here (http://news.com.com/Verizon's+fiber+race+is+on/2100-1034_3-5275171.html).
I will be the first one to sign up and start hosing my own page.

Verizon was just digging up my backyard last week to install fiber-optic cable. The shame of it is that my new place has not seen such an upgrade as of yet, and might just be last on the list.

Wyvernspirit

May 5, 2005, 08:40 AM

I'm moving at the end of this month to a town verizon just anounced was receiving FiOS. I thought great, I can cancel cable and get it at the new place. Unfortunately they can't garinty it will be availabel to my apartment till December. Grrr. Oh well. When it comes between now and then, I will get it, either a 5/2 or a 15/2 line.

whooleytoo

May 5, 2005, 09:06 AM

Spare a thought for the UK, we are so far behind. They are still loads of places unable to connect to a high speed connection. At the moment a 1megabit connection seems to be the standard & that's about £30 ($50)

Bah, humbug! ;)

Spare a thought for us here in Ireland, until recently I was paying 120 euros (155 US) a month for a 256kbps up/512kbps down connection. It's starting to improve here though (more competition), now I've a 1Mb/1Mb wireless for 90 euros. Still a looong way behind others here - by the sounds of it.