Apple Expo Paris 2004 Rumor Roundup

[MacRumors]

With Apple Expo Paris (http://www.apple-expo.com/uk/keynote/) this week, MacRumors provides this Rumor Roundup as a summary of the major rumors circulating around the Mac Web. As always, stay tuned, as last minute leaks and revelations are common. This roundup will cover what's expected to be released, as well as a few 'open' rumors that are still only speculation.

The Event

Apple Expo Paris kicks off August 31, 2004 with Phil Schiller (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040818001142.shtml) giving the tradition keynote in place of Steve Jobs while he recovers from pancreatic cancer surgery (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040801214953.shtml). The speech starts at 10:00 a.m. CET (4 a.m. EDT, 1 a.m. PDT) in Paris at the Palais des Congrés. As far as MacRumors knows, there will be no live webcast of the event, and as of yet no word on a satellite broadcast either. Anyone planning to go to the show and willing to offer live updates from the keynote please contact us (mailto:submissions@macrumors.com).

iMac G5

With Apple pre-announcing (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/07/20040701175119.shtml) the redesign of the iMac to sport a G5, this is the most likely candidate to be released. Think Secret provided specs (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040813012355.shtml) for 4 different configurations, with a range from an education model 17" screen 1.6 GHz G5 to a 20" screen 1.8 GHz G5. Pricing is expected to be $1300 to $2200. With the introduction of the education level iMac, the eMac is expected to be retired, representing the last CRT-based Mac. This may still prove to be incorrect, since that would significantly raise the price of the least-expensive desktop Mac option from $799 to around $1300.

Form factor has been a source of recent speculation and there are a few possible spy shots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040827113301.shtml) circulating the web. The design is expected to have the motherboard and relevant pieces and parts mounted behind the monitor in a vertical position, moving the guts of the machine off the desktop. Additionally, MacObserver points to the filing of a 'chameleon' patent (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040818001831.shtml) by Apple suggesting that the body of the machine may be able to change colors to suit the mood of the user.

Teaser advertisements on the Internet for the Apple Expo Paris point to another use of the G5 processor, stating 'A SuperComputer On Your Desk. What's next?' These presumably point to the new iMac, but could also lend credence to the rumors of a possible Apple Tablet/Wireless display (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040813111236.shtml) that was previously patented.

iPod

With the introduction of the 4th generation iPod and the recent unveiling of the 'Apple iPod from HP (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040826005816.shtml)', it seems unlikely that the iPod will receive any updates in Paris. The unknown factor is Time Magazine's rumors of as-yet undisclosed functionality in the 4G iPod that could offer options such as WiFi, wireless headphones, or Bluetooth compatibility. As of yet, there is no concrete information. Recently Apple Insider noted a job listing (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040825013920.shtml) at Apple looking for an iPod engineer posessing the protocol skills for these functions, but didn't offer any more proof than that. Additionally, there are reports that certain resellers are awaiting colored versions (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/07/20040718012534.shtml) of the iPod in purple, yellow & orange.

PowerBook G4

Recently a buzz came from news source The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/18/dual-cores_detailed/) about Freescale, the processor division spinoff of Motorola, maker of Apple's G4 processor used in the current PowerBooks, iBooks, eMacs, and discontinued flat-panel G4 iMacs. Expected is not only a move to a faster processor, but also a move to a dual core (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040818113806.shtml) setup, effectively producing the horsepower of a dual-processor system from a single chip. Since G5 processors are already in such short supply due to manufacturing issues at IBM (maker of the PowerPC 970 aka Apple G5), and heat issues play a significant role in the move to a portable, it seems a logical step for Apple to use these new chips until the move to a G5 PowerBook is practical.

Power Mac G5

No updates are expected to the Power Mac line in Paris, but it should be noted that there seem to be availability issues with the 1.8 GHz G5 processors, probably due to their use in the new iMac. Additionally impacting the Power Mac range, the 30" Apple Cinema Display should be shipping in mid-September, although availability of the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=M9593G/A) graphics card (required for the large display) has been pushed back to at least October 15th. Additionally, shipments of the 2.5 GHz Power Mac G5 have been slowly emerging, with many orders reportedly being pushed back to mid-September.

iSight Version 2

Apple Insider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=608) claims Apple is working on a refined version of the iSight video camera capable of supporting higher resolution and frame rates than the current model. MacRumors has received numerous reports from resellers about the 'iSight Ver2' with its own stock number (M8817LL/B). So far, this is the only speculation, with other indications pointing to it simply being the same camera and internals but containing new mounting hardware for the new Apple aluminum displays shown at MWSF 04.

[RitchieDeMan]

I Can't wait!!!! :)

[Some_Big_Spoon]

still waiting for the "one more thing"

[Ambrose Chapel]

do think we might get a ship date for tiger? i'm guessing steve'll announce that at MWSF, but you never know...

[bentmywookie]

Man, chameleon sounds really cool, aesthetically speaking. I'm crossing my fingers for that one.

[Flowbee]

Form factor has been a source of recent speculation and there are a few possible spy shots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040827113301.shtml) circulating the web.

The creator of those "spy shots" has admitted they are hoaxes.

[Flying Llama]

I hope it's the chameleon and not those fake? photos...

[relimw]

Hey, imagine that, the expo starts on a Tuesday.... Hmmm, they prolly will announce the iMac with shipping immediately for the first 1000 orders, and December for everybody else :eek: :D

[morkintosh]

Man, chameleon sounds really cool, aesthetically speaking. I'm crossing my fingers for that one.

that would be pretty sweet, but I can't see them releasing it so soon after a patent filing.

[timwindsor]

My prediction, fwiw....

Schiller: Oh, and, uh, one more thing...

Curtains open. Steve walks onstage to thunderous applause. He demos the "secret" features of the iPod.

Hey, it could happen....

[musicpyrite]

Hmmm, this is good news for the most part. I hope we see G5 PowerBooks, but if we don't, dual core is the next best thing. :)

(although I will be pissed if the 12" isn't dual core or G5 because I plan on buying one come Christmas!)

[relimw]

do think we might get a ship date for tiger? i'm guessing steve'll announce that at MWSF, but you never know...

A ship date? Sometime between Jan 2005 and June 2005, or sometime *way* before Longhorn :D
But I'm guessing it'll most likely ship around WWDC time next year.

[hobbes3113]

Bring it on!! Can't wait for the new goodies... :)

[appleface]

it sounds like the only probably-definite release is the g5 imac. i'm excited to see the imac and any of the might-be-maybe releases. i guess we're all excited :)

[skyfex]

Apple is killing me! I can't wait for them to show off the new iMac.. The thing that bothers me even more is that it's probably completely unlike anything we've seen (including hoax photos/concept designs).

I personally think an Apple Tablet is probable in addition to the iMac

[relimw]

Hmmm, this is good news for the most part. I hope we see G5 PowerBooks, but if we don't, dual core is the next best thing. :)


I wouldn't hold my breath for a G5 Powerbook this time around due to high demand for every other desktop system that Apple has out. Dual core G4 seems to be a much higher likelihood for the powerbook as well as a possible speed bump.

[CholEoptera36]

Chameleon would have that Apple innovation for sure.
I remember a couple of years ago Alienware released a model computer that was named Chameleon and the paint color changed depending on where you were standing in the room. I hope the Chameleon from Apple wouldn't look like that though. Too space like and far out.

[reyesmac]

I just know Apple is going to have most of its new products in short supply. Not because they are popular (which they will be) but because they are just bad at making enough of them. And if they do ramp up production, then I expect there to be some recalls or quality control screwups. That just seems to be the Apple way these days.

[scibry]

Who knows what'll happen. Very exciting.

I am still curious how the 12" PB will change in the near future.

A rumor a few months ago said Apple was looking into differentiating it from the iBook, possibly by making it thinner. As an owner of a Rev. A model, I say make the screen better and that thinness wouldn't hurt.

[maddav]

Schiller: Behind this curtain, you've all been waiting for it, the ALL NEW POWERBOOK!

*applause & curtains pulled apart revealing a PB G4*

look, it has an all new extra USB port, and cool white stripe on the back

*cough*

that's all...

*Barrage of gunfire*

[Mord]

there is no way the emac is going away, not for a long while

[Mord]

i hope the 17" powerbook go's HD 1920x1200, and bodge the resulutions down the line.

[Superdrive]

I would like to see more new features that have been added to Tiger 10.4 in the past few months since Steve's last demo.

I am looking forward to a new iMac; I just hope that it can top the form and function that the G4 iMac introduced in January 2002. Although it will be sad to see my current machine get superceded, I will at least have something to set my eyes on for the future.

Any new additions for must have gadgets are welcome by me. My credit card is waiting.

-Superdrive

[CholEoptera36]

there is no way the emac is going away, not for a long while

yeah it's part of Apple's starting line up, and when it does go for good I've still got one!

[GroundLoop]

hopefully this chameleon thing will be incorporated into the PowerBooks. That way we can change the color of the illuminated Apple logo on the back of the LCD. That would be pretty sweet.

Hickman

[musicpyrite]

there is no way the emac is going away, not for a long while
Well at-least until LCDs are comparable in price to CTRs.

But you've also got to compare things like how much power they use, and how much heat they give off. If the iMacs and eMacs had the exact same specs, and the only difference was a CTR, and the eMac was $100 cheaper, in the long run I'd say the iMac was a better choice.

[Flying Llama]

Schiller: Behind this curtain, you've all been waiting for it, the ALL NEW POWERBOOK!

*applause & curtains pulled apart revealing a PB G4*

look, it has an all new extra USB port, and cool white stripe on the back

*cough*

that's all...

*Barrage of gunfire*

http://swforums.bioware.com/_global/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif Funny, but I hope not!!

[dejaentendu]

Hmmm that chameleon feature does sound kinda neat. Anyway, this is all very exciting for me since I just recently switched. :D

[Aaon]

I would love to see an update to the Powerbook line, as thats what I'm in the market for, but I just don't see that happening in Paris. We haven't heard any rumors about depleting the channels of the current Powerbooks, and the latest revision is only 4 months old.

Aaron

[rdowns]

Bring on the iMac G5, I've been waiting a year for it.

My only decision, order from Apple or wait to order from Amazon and use my $575 in gift certificates. Probably go with Apple so I can get the damn thing and possibly CTO it.

[Stella]

I hope the rumours of a dual core PB are correct. I would never buy a current G4 - I'm holding out until the G5 with my iBook 800 which is starting to show its age.. but still very reliable. However a fast dual core G4 would definitely tempt me.

iPods - Really I'm getting fed up with the "new features that we aren't telling you about". Apple just tell us these bloody features.. you aren't at school now.

I hope Apple release a sub $1000 next gen iMac... but I doubt it.

[oingoboingo]

As always, the standard rules should apply when hypothesizing about which products are going to be launched in Paris. Whatever you've just bought is going to be cut in price by 25%, and increased in speed/performance by 50%. And if you've just bought a piece of hardware which Apple doesn't currently sell, they're going to introduce their own version of it which will be 5 times cooler than the thing you just bought.

In my case, the last Mac-related thing I bought was a copy of MacWorld magazine, so I fully expect Apple to launch it's own magazine, with a complementary iSight Rev B stuck to the front cover, for $6.95 (not available to current MacWorld readers though).

[virividox]

im not too convinced with the dual core g4

[virus1]

cool... can't wait till tuesday

[aswitcher]

I hope Apple release a sub $1000 next gen iMac... but I doubt it.

I hope Apple releases new emacs with further price cuts to reflect advances in technology and manufacturing effeciencies...

I think we might see the new iMac edu version really drop the imac price line entry if it only comes in one standard config with no optical drive...

I really hope the bring out a new machine, halfway between the emac and imac, the so called rumored tablet mac. Cut down pb designed to slave off an existing wireless network or other machine, but powerful enough to use MS Office (with BT keyboard), Internet (with wifi) and watch movies on. Dreaming I know but it would make a fine second computer for the home

[TWinbrook46636]

'A SuperComputer On Your Desk. What's next?'

Obviously the answer is not 'another supercomputer on your desk' so that leaves out the iMac unless it really does hang on the wall. I will go out on a limb and say we will see a 17" PowerBook G5 announced.

[millypede]

I would like to see more new features that have been added to Tiger 10.4 in the past few months since Steve's last demo.
....

-Superdrive

Uh there have been no updates to Tiger since Steve 'pre-viewed' it, infact Im happy to day i still have no iChat with 3 way vid, Automator is still called Pipeline, and there is a whole load of things that you saw that I am still unable to play with, ill go and cry now.

And yet im still annoyed that Im not going to this years expo again, oh well roll on London....

[aswitcher]

Obviously the answer is not 'another supercomputer on your desk' so that leaves out the iMac unless it really does hang on the wall. I will go out on a limb and say we will see a 17" PowerBook G5 announced.

I think its the iMac with G5. G5 chip supply is a real problem at present so I dont see them pushing out another G5 machine when they have a demand on the PMG5 (1.8 especially) and now the iMac...

[seamuskrat]

After a 5 week backorder, I got my (M8817LL/B) iSight 3 weeks ago. Its the same, except for a new manual and magnetic mount.

I had been hoping for an updated version, but when I got mine, I made sure the iSight and package said it was (M8817LL/B), and it does.

I think we can safely say (M8817LL/B) is not new one. Maybe another product number will satisfy this rumor, but not (M8817LL/B).

[autrefois]

I just know Apple is going to have most of its new products in short supply. [...] And if they do ramp up production, then I expect there to be some recalls or quality control screwups. That just seems to be the Apple way these days.

It's hard to think of a quality control problem that hasn't plagued new releases recently.

My guess—the first new iMacs will spontaneously combust. Apple will state that this is "normal behavior" and "within specs."

After 6 months, Apple will quietly issue a recall program, posting it at the bottom of www.apple.com in small print.

[iHack]

Obviously the answer is not 'another supercomputer on your desk' so that leaves out the iMac unless it really does hang on the wall. I will go out on a limb and say we will see a 17" PowerBook G5 announced.And if Apple marketing is not sleeping, it will not be a supercomputer in your monitor of a supercomputer on the wall. What comes after that? a supercomputer in the fridge? under the couch? on the porch?

that would be stupid.

[autrefois]

Even if there's no live webcast (unfortunately), has there been a recent keynote that wasn't streamed afterwards? Can we expect that we'll probably get to see the keynote at some point?

[iHack]

Even if there's no live webcast (unfortunately), has there been a recent keynote that wasn't streamed afterwards? Can we expect that we'll probably get to see the keynote at some point?I expect to see a stream, but it maybe some other time, autrefois. :p

[mj_1903]

Uh there have been no updates to Tiger since Steve 'pre-viewed' it, infact Im happy to day i still have no iChat with 3 way vid, Automator is still called Pipeline, and there is a whole load of things that you saw that I am still unable to play with, ill go and cry now.

There have been no updates to Tiger (and there wont be till GM), but there has been plenty of work done on it. Remember how Steve said there were around 100 new features? The WWDC build had about 10 usable. Now there are around 40. Of course, miles to go until Tiger is ready for release, but I am doing my part with the AppleSeed program to get it ready.

[millypede]

There have been no updates to Tiger (and there wont be till GM), but there has been plenty of work done on it. Remember how Steve said there were around 100 new features? The WWDC build had about 10 usable. Now there are around 40. Of course, miles to go until Tiger is ready for release, but I am doing my part with the AppleSeed program to get it ready.

And so am I, and there has been one update...

[quagmire]

Obviously the answer is not 'another supercomputer on your desk' so that leaves out the iMac unless it really does hang on the wall. I will go out on a limb and say we will see a 17" PowerBook G5 announced.

I bet you we will see a 15" Pbook G5. Just no 12" pbook.

[AdeFowler]

Here's what I think we'll get:

G5 iMac (no secret there)

iWorks (new version of Appleworks, pre-installed on the iMac along with iLife 4. "Everything you need out of the box")

Keynote 2

And that's all folks.

[millypede]

Here's what I think we'll get:

G5 iMac (no secret there)

iWorks (new version of Appleworks, pre-installed on the iMac along with iLife 4. "Everything you need out of the box")

Keynote 2

And that's all folks.


Id go with that, we will proberly get a whole ''Well we have released all this really expensive HD software, so go buy it, and we all say, 'ok', go buy and we are happy and Apple are happy :) So Id see some of the Production Suite software too.

Can you tell I should be in Paris and yet work refused to give me the time off!!! Wrah or something

[aswitcher]

I bet you we will see a 15" Pbook G5. Just no 12" pbook.

I am really hoping for an iLife update with a new 6th application...so far thats where Apple really makes my day. (oh, and also having to date the most awesome laptop in the world on my desk; knees; bed etc)

[CholEoptera36]

G5 chip supply is a real problem at present so I dont see them pushing out another G5 machine when they have a demand on the PMG5 (1.8 especially) and now the iMac...

I wonder how this lack of chips will effect iMac updates say six months from now? Will we ever see IBM to make single G5 chips exceeding let's say 2.5GHz? That doesn't even seem to worry me as much as the heat issues do though. Maybe they'll save people money on their power bill this Christmas by heating your house too :p

[Yvan256]

Here's what I think we'll get:

G5 iMac (no secret there)

iWorks (new version of Appleworks, pre-installed on the iMac along with iLife 4. "Everything you need out of the box")

Keynote 2

And that's all folks.

You're forgetting the new sub-notebook. Bigger than a Palm, smaller than an iBook. Freescale G4/1Ghz (so it runs cooler and has a faster bus). 256MB DDR built-in, upgradable to 768MB (one DDR SODIMM). Still a fully-fonctionnal Mac with full OS X version. USB2, Firewire400, Ethernet, 56k, touchscreen, small keyboard, VGA output (mirror), headphone jack. 10" 1024x600 widescreen. Optionnal USB2 External Combo drive (to rip CDs into iTunes, play DVDs, etc).

That's what those 1.8" 60GB drives are for.
:D

[Wonder Boy]

can someone give a short and sweet summary of chamelion? the way people are talking about it, i think it sounds tacky in the same mold as black lights and lava lamps).

[aswitcher]

You're forgetting the new sub-notebook. Bigger than a Palm, smaller than an iBook. G4/1Ghz. 256MB DDR built-in, upgradable to 768MB (one DDR SODIMM). Still a fully-fonctionnal Mac with full OS X version. USB2, Firewire400, Ethernet, 56k, touchscreen, small keyboard, VGA output (mirror), headphone jack. 10" 1024x600 widescreen. Optionnal USB2 External Combo drive (to rip CDs into iTunes, play DVDs, etc).

That's what those 1.8" 60GB drives are for.
:D

Don't forget BT and AE built in as stock. And I thought that was a wireless BT keyboard option :)

[aswitcher]

can someone give a short and sweet summary of chamerlion? the way people are talking about it, i think it sounds tacky 9in the same mold as black lights and lava lamps).

A Chamelion is a small jungle lizard with googly eyes, whose skin colour and pattern adapt to the surroundings, helping it blend in landscape, effectively an advanced form of camoflage.

Apple's spin will be - A sleek urban steel machine with a large luxurious flat eye, whose colour and pattern meld with the users music and activities, helping the imac blend into the home or office landscape, effectively an advanced reality distortion field to make it more a part of your life(TM) - your iLife. :D

[pixelhead]

I have been hearing they may show the new version of Logic Pro (6.5) at Paris. Anyone else hear about Audio SW updates. One of the Pro audio boards I go to was talking about a recent Trademark from Apple called "Proband".

[CubaTBird]

Macworld Pairs...................................................

iMac G5 announced...... not yet available........ available in sep...... world later on in the year.........

"os x is wonderful speech, but we ain't tellin when tiger is comin out"

3rd party companies demo really cool gadgets to add to ur 4th gen ipod......

steve drops in via iSight 2 and thats the last new thing shown

show closes, phil walks off stage, and as people are leaving to get up Falco's "rock me amadeus" is heard in the background :) :eek: :rolleyes:

[JOD8FY]

steve drops in via iSight 2 and thats the last new thing shown

My thoughts exactly :D. I can see it now - Steve pops in using his iSight Version 2 attached to his new PB G5 in his hospital room.

Come on, you don't think Schiller's going to do the whole thing, do you? :D

JOD8FY

[Abstract]

- iMac with the same specs provided by Thinksecret.

- A new Appleworks, or iWorks. It will be better than the "latest" AppleWorks ever could be, but purposely not as good as MS Office 2004 so that they don't upset MS, who would probably be more than happy to stop producing Office 2004, thus making any potential switcher reluctant to switch, even if Apple promised Office compatibility. Heck, I would have been reluctant to switch if Office X wasn't released. :o
However, new word processor and spreadsheet apps.

- A brand new device released by the iPod division at Apple, one that makes use of the 60GB 1.8" drives that aren't used in the 4G iPod. ;)

- Price cut to eMac. Speed bumped up to 1.5 G4.

- Announcement of progress and release date concerning iTMS to the rest of Europe.

- No new iSight.

- No Powerbook G5: That dream is out the window, if you can't already see that. Possibly new dual-core G4s, or a faster Freescale G4 1.8 GHz in the PB at MWSF 2005, but not a G5 in the Powerbook.

[CholEoptera36]

http://www.macobserver.com/gallery_albums/appleexpo1/IMG_0205.jpg

One things for sure, they will be introducing the features of the 4g iPods. The HP banners hanging from the ceiling sorta give that away. They might even introduce those tattoos too.

I think that some people are thinking too big for the Expo. I don't like to underestimate Apple, but the WWDC was rather a dissapointment to a lot of people in some ways let's not forget. I think this will be pretty simple:

Most likely the Expo will surround the new iMacs, new iPods, and will reveal some more features of Tiger.

Possible, but most unlikely would be to see new iSight or new software bundles. I think they have enough on their back with developing Tiger, and keeping up with new iMacs which should have came out last June or so. There won't be a ton of new updates and releases, but the few they will have will be fairly large. Exploring new features of a new computer by itself like the iMacs and new iPods will be enough to keep everyone satisfied till Tiger comes out.

[bryantm3]

what i think we will possibly see:
-iMac G5
-New Appleworks
-New iSight
-Demonstration of 'iPod secrets'
-New Powerbook G4s (no G5s)
-a new low end for the portable computer area, don't know what it is..

and maybe some stupid **** like the mac unit at microsoft speaking or somthing, and that's it.

maybe the ipod has a secret ear piercer in it, so you can have iPod earrings! (no seriously, i've heard more rediculous)

[BornAgainMac]

The eMac shouldn't go away. Not too long ago it was only $300 dollars more than the most expensive iPod. It's the switchers Mac more than an educational-based Mac. If they don't want to sell old CRT monitors then at least don't sell it with a monitor and drop $200 off the price. It will lower shipping costs and give people something they really wanted. It would be really nice if they can shrink it down to the size of an Airport Extreme.

[macridah]

I bet there will be one announcement that will catch all of us off guard. If Paris doesn't have other announcements, then maybe there will be some new announcements at the London expo (which Steve will probably be ready for)

[aswitcher]

-New Powerbook G4s (no G5s)


We had new PBs in May so I wonder why people think there will be an update like 4 months later...

[quagmire]

We had new PBs in May so I wonder why people think there will be an update like 4 months later...

The powerbooks do have the most unstable refresh cycle. Apple also used the cram and jam to clear inventory of the pbooks and intro new ones. There is only one faster G4 chip we know about which is the dual core G4. We know that it will be at least Spring of 05 before freescale can ship the dual core in quanity and bug free.

PS: How how you liking Applenova? I am Undertaker there.

[relimw]

- iMac's with combo drive and up
- iPods with wireless adapter (or builtin for 4G) and a software update to allow
AirTunes speaker selection
- 30" LCD displays shipping (Tho no 6800 to power them....oh well, people got
displays and no 2.5 G5's so what's new...)
- Dual core 1 .8 GHz G4 powerbooks announced, shipping for Christmas season
- 1.5 GHz iBooks announced, shipping for Christmas

[agentbristow]

OK, Maybe I am the only one with this concern, but I have this fear that since the iMac will be (without a doubt in my mind) introduced in Paris, that maybe Apple plans on a Europe first release? I really hope not, I have convinced my mom almost to get me one when they roll on the floor tuesday

[bigcreek]

You're forgetting the new sub-notebook. Bigger than a Palm, smaller than an iBook. Freescale G4/1Ghz (so it runs cooler and has a faster bus). 256MB DDR built-in, upgradable to 768MB (one DDR SODIMM). Still a fully-fonctionnal Mac with full OS X version. USB2, Firewire400, Ethernet, 56k, touchscreen, small keyboard, VGA output (mirror), headphone jack. 10" 1024x600 widescreen. Optionnal USB2 External Combo drive (to rip CDs into iTunes, play DVDs, etc).

That's what those 1.8" 60GB drives are for.
:D

I think this would sell great, if it includes DVD playback on that widescreen. I'll buy one (or more)

[aus_dave]

We had new PBs in May so I wonder why people think there will be an update like 4 months later...That's what I'm hoping - I ordered a BTO 15" nearly two months ago and still haven't got it, so I don't think there are warehouses of PBs around that are getting cleared out (my sorry tale is here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=86293)).

Then again with my luck I will receive my PB the day they announce dual core G4 or G5s. I had a similar thing happen with a single proc 1.8 G5 but my dealer was good enough to take it back and exchange it for a dual :D.

[savar]

My prediction, fwiw....

Schiller: Oh, and, uh, one more thing...

Curtains open. Steve walks onstage to thunderous applause. He demos the "secret" features of the iPod.

Hey, it could happen....

Maybe, but if Jobs doesn't make it (which is the more likely), I am 100% positive that he will link in by video iChat to make one of the big announcements.

[oingoboingo]

That's what I'm hoping - I ordered a BTO 15" nearly two months ago and still haven't got it, so I don't think there are warehouses of PBs around that are getting cleared out (my sorry tale is here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=86293)).

Then again with my luck I will receive my PB the day they announce dual core G4 or G5s. I had a similar thing happen with a single proc 1.8 G5 but my dealer was good enough to take it back and exchange it for a dual :D.

TWO MONTHS?!?!? That's insane. What BTO changes did you make to the stock config? I can't believe that there would be an almost 2 month wait on a 15" PowerBook (which doesn't contain the seemingly cursed 90nm PowerPC 970 FX), and which seems to be shipping in normal volumes otherwise. You know you can cancel your order without penalty if Apple takes more than 30 days to deliver it? (I think those are the terms...check the fine print at the Apple Australia online store).

[nagromme]

The really far-out rumors tend to be false. I'm waiting for the Tuesday posts that say "apple PROMIS camelion imac THEY LIE i buyinh a dell" :)

[NusuniAdmin]

The really far-out rumors tend to be false. I'm waiting for the Tuesday posts that say "apple PROMIS camelion imac THEY LIE i buyinh a dell" :)

hahha,yeppers

i just had a major brain fart and thought the keynote wus tomorrow....stupid me

[Abstract]

There is only one faster G4 chip we know about which is the dual core G4. We know that it will be at least Spring of 05 before freescale can ship the dual core in quanity and bug free.


And there are those Freescale produced, single-core G4 chips that scale to 2 GHz...


And Aus_Dave doesn't have his BTO 15" yet because he ordered a faster HD. :p Yep, Aussies get screwed by Apple up the wrong hole all the time.

[nagromme]

I'm one who won't be surprised if there is NO IMAC G5 on Tuesday. Might be there, but might not.

It's coming soon for sure, but Apple did say September--and holding off a week or two might let Steve do the unveiling.

(BTW, hidden hardware in 4G iPods is just as far-fetched as chameleon Macs. People have already taken the things apart looking--and they have found nothing new vs. the 3G's.)

[oingoboingo]

And there are those Freescale produced, single-core G4 chips that scale to 2 GHz...


And Aus_Dave doesn't have his BTO 15" yet because he ordered a faster HD. :p Yep, Aussies get screwed by Apple up the wrong hole all the time.

Are the single-core G4 derivatives that FreeScale are developing shipping yet, or only announced?

[DrGruv1]

any room for cards (pci) on the new imac?

p.s.

morpheus has a new chip he won't devulge on applenova

970GX

he's the guy that found the 970mp

[ccuilla]

It's coming soon for sure, but Apple did say September--and holding off a week or two might let Steve do the unveiling.

Goodness. The keynote IS August 31st. It is SUCH a big stretch to assume that Apple would announce them on August 31st and begin taking orders on September 1st? Well...you know what I mean.

[itsa]

We had new PBs in May so I wonder why people think there will be an update like 4 months later...

Because no one is buying the current lineup.

[nagromme]

Goodness. The keynote IS August 31st. It is SUCH a big stretch to assume that Apple would announce them on August 31st and begin taking orders on September 1st? Well...you know what I mean.

Not a stretch at all--I never suggested otherwise. I only suggest that it's ALSO not a stretch that they MIGHT do just what they said: announce in September. Possibly due to Jobs' situation.

[oingoboingo]

Because no one is buying the current lineup.

Do you have any evidence for that? I remember in the last Apple financials conference call they mentioned that notebook sales had exceeded desktop sales for the first time...the portable lineup can't be doing all that bad

[itsa]

Do you have any evidence for that? I remember in the last Apple financials conference call they mentioned that notebook sales had exceeded desktop sales for the first time...the portable lineup can't be doing all that bad

We are talking Powerbooks. Notebook sales over all may have exceeded desktops but not powerbooks. Also that is to be expected when they are not shipping desktops.

My responds was more of a joke than anything. I guess i should have added a :0) .
I do not know of anyone that would not like to see a notebook update. Not too many overjoyed with the last update.

[Porchland]

A ship date? Sometime between Jan 2005 and June 2005, or sometime *way* before Longhorn :D
But I'm guessing it'll most likely ship around WWDC time next year.

I watched the January keynote again tonight for a frame of reference of how Apple started the year and looked through the announcements from the year. There's not much that HASN'T been updated this year. So far we've gotten...

* iLife (full update, GarageBand)
* iPod 4G and mini
* new and updated video apps (FCP HD, DVD SP, Motion, FCE)
* Airport Express
* PowerBook updates
* iBook updates
* PowerMac G5 updates
* display updates
* wireless keyboard, mouse
* iSight update (coming this week)

Looking through the Apple store, there's not much left to update BUT the iMac, which is of course (barring a stunner) being updated in Paris.

There's not much software left to update without making a second update in 2004, i.e., the iLife apps, which probably will come in January.

That leaves us with Keynote and AppleWorks. I think they're both going to figure into a new iWork suite, featuring iWrite, Keynote 2, a spreadsheet and possibly a personal finance app. Totally a guess on my part, but based on the iWork and iWrite trademarks it seems a logical place to go.

[Sun Baked]

Well at-least until LCDs are comparable in price to CTRs.

But you've also got to compare things like how much power they use, and how much heat they give off. If the iMacs and eMacs had the exact same specs, and the only difference was a CTR, and the eMac was $100 cheaper, in the long run I'd say the iMac was a better choice.The schools would choose the eMac's if the only difference was price -- for them the eMac is the better choice.

Get too expensive and the contracts are instantly handed to Dell, which would mean Apple made another horrible education choice.

And a measly $100 difference is all it would take to hand the market to Dell.

Apple cannot really give up on the $625 computer for education.

[relimw]

That leaves us with Keynote and AppleWorks. I think they're both going to figure into a new iWork suite, featuring iWrite, Keynote 2, a spreadsheet and possibly a personal finance app. Totally a guess on my part, but based on the iWork and iWrite trademarks it seems a logical place to go.

Hmm, that's actually not too bad of an idea, for Apple to come out with their own Office-like product. Would be nice for them to ship an Aquafied OpenOffice. Or even going beyond what M$ and openoffice do with an office suite, as they have done with the iLife suite.

[aus_dave]

TWO MONTHS?!?!? That's insane. It sure is :mad:

What BTO changes did you make to the stock config?5400 RPM HD only.

You know you can cancel your order without penalty if Apple takes more than 30 days to deliver it? Ordered through a reseller so that's not an option. Next time I need Apple hardware I think I'll go to Hawaii for a holiday and have it shipped to my hotel :rolleyes:.

[relimw]

The schools would choose the eMac's if the only difference was price -- for them the eMac is the better choice.

Apple cannot really give up on the $625 computer for education.

CRTs are also much more durable than LCDs in the hands of a 3rd grader. :)

[appleface]

can someone give a short and sweet summary of chamelion? the way people are talking about it, i think it sounds tacky in the same mold as black lights and lava lamps).

i can't get "tacky" out of my head either.

[DrPepper]

does the apple stores already have the updates, that are going to take place in paris, in there stores already? or do they get them later

[appleface]

There's not much that HASN'T been updated this year.
[...]
* Airport Express
* wireless keyboard, mouse
* iSight update (coming this week)

how about these three incorporated into the G5 imac. that'd be a sweet suite. free video conferencing and no wires. how delicious.

also, how about ProBand being released with 60 gig ipods and the introduction of dj ipod equipment. (that might make hp look bad.)

[appleface]

does no live video feed mean no big releases?

[Lucifer's Daddy]

Problems with the Bidouille images, proving the 'new' iMac to be fake.

1. box is proportionately identical to Powerbook 17" box
2. foam insides are not compatible with the shape and size of the iMac featured
3. if this were a quickie elevator shot, the iMac would be in close proximity to the foam wrapping that encases all new Mac's
4. the iMac does not have enough of the foam packing material surrounding the hardware - remember, there things are manufactured in China and shipped world wide. For such a robust piece of equipment, this type of packing is too small.
5. hey photo genius! show us the keyboard, mouse, manuals, barcodes - don't give me any lip about having to take the photos in a rush. you has enough time to unwrap it.
6. there's no photo of the box image. there is no proof. this is a big ass LCD (probably some gateway POS) panel with no chance of being something apple would release. it has no design.

Predictions (since everyone had a go):

- G5 iMac
- No Powerbook announcement until Feb 05
- bragging about some great alliance with HP over iPod's (which is why mine's back ordered -- they gave 'em all to HP)
- New version of Shake (more affordable)
- New iTunes that allows something or another
- No announcement of iPod secret features. The only secret feature would be the addition of WiFi - but why not announce that when they release the Airport Express??... sorry kiddies - that's a 5G iPod.
- A prerecorded message from Steve Jobs - I.V. hanging out of his arm for the sympathy factor (oooooh iI.V. - fluids for the rest of our life)
- and finally, Apple will announce that CD's are obsolete; making iPod's the only form of media transfer.

Rock on fellow mac addicts... see you Tuesday!

[dotnina]

Problems with the Bidouille images, proving the 'new' iMac to be fake.

1. box is proportionately identical to Powerbook 17" box
2. foam insides are not compatible with the shape and size of the iMac featured
3. if this were a quickie elevator shot, the iMac would be in close proximity to the foam wrapping that encases all new Mac's
4. the iMac does not have enough of the foam packing material surrounding the hardware - remember, there things are manufactured in China and shipped world wide. For such a robust piece of equipment, this type of packing is too small.
5. hey photo genius! show us the keyboard, mouse, manuals, barcodes - don't give me any lip about having to take the photos in a rush. you has enough time to unwrap it.
6. there's no photo of the box image. there is no proof. this is a big ass LCD (probably some gateway POS) panel with no chance of being something apple would release. it has no design. ::snip::

:)

You forgot the biggest point of all: the guy who posted the pics admitted they're fakes.

:)

[Lucifer's Daddy]

:)

You forgot the biggest point of all: the guy who posted the pics admitted they're fakes.

:)

Dammit... Oh well, that message only took 10 minutes to write. :mad:

[zelmo]

i can't get "tacky" out of my head either.

Tacky it may be, but imagine a scenario where Mr. PeeCee Dad is in the mall with his kid and sees the new iMac on display. The Apple logo on the front is pulsing different colors...bright blue for surfing the web, green for burning a CD or DVD disc, orange for incoming email alert, maybe a flashing red color to indicate that a questionable web site has been accessed. Isn't this the kind of thing that grabs the eye, maybe converts a PC user, and, let's face it, makes even a jaded Mac addict say "oohhh...shiny!!" ? Heck, if I'm sitting acrosss the room [like I'd ever be that far away from my Mac!] and the logo on the computer flashes to let me know I have mail, that's geeky chic, isn't it?

Gosh, I need serious help!

[JoePike]

I'm still predicting a surprise appearance by Steve Jobs to present maybe "one last thing" (not deliver an entire Stevenote, most likely) and show the world, particularly Wall Street, that he is back and healthy and the company is just fine. At the very least, he'll make an appearance over iChat with his new iSight version 2. There will be a Steve factor.....somewhere.

-Joe

[Lucifer's Daddy]

Tacky it may be, but imagine a scenario where Mr. PeeCee Dad is in the mall with his kid and sees the new iMac on display. The Apple logo on the front is pulsing different colors...bright blue for surfing the web, green for burning a CD or DVD disc, orange for incoming email alert, maybe a flashing red color to indicate that a questionable web site has been accessed. Isn't this the kind of thing that grabs the eye, maybe converts a PC user, and, let's face it, makes even a jaded Mac addict say "oohhh...shiny!!" ? Heck, if I'm sitting acrosss the room [like I'd ever be that far away from my Mac!] and the logo on the computer flashes to let me know I have mail, that's geeky chic, isn't it?

Gosh, I need serious help!

Can you see a whole classroom full of these though? Students admitted into psych wards having siezures - teachers developing a new twitch (matching their other one). the new K-12 Marketing Campaign from Apple would be a bunch of 3rd grade Candy Ravers hooked on Apple's subliminal drug...

[ITR 81]

The schools would choose the eMac's if the only difference was price -- for them the eMac is the better choice.

Get too expensive and the contracts are instantly handed to Dell, which would mean Apple made another horrible education choice.

And a measly $100 difference is all it would take to hand the market to Dell.

Apple cannot really give up on the $625 computer for education.

I doubt that..Apple knows most schools are now buying iBooks.

Hell our whole county just bought iBooks for all of it's public schools.
Most school here now want laptops so kids can take their work with them around the school house and etc..

[aswitcher]

PS: How how you liking Applenova? I am Undertaker there.

I am a newbie there so I'll have to get into the habbit of checking it out regularly.

[aswitcher]

Because no one is buying the current lineup.

Really? Whats your source(s)?

[t300]

Now although it could happen, and I hope it does, just where are people getting the idea that a new iSight is being released? And yeah, people have been studying the 4th gen iPod inside and out and there is nothing hidden in the hardware, that's for sure...Firmware, maybe. I can't imagine a bluetooth or wifi addon on either, now THAT would be tacky...WAAYYY tacky. Now if some type of video player with a 60gb hd and touchpad was released, I would totally beg people for money for one of those.

[Porchland]

how about these three incorporated into the G5 imac. that'd be a sweet suite. free video conferencing and no wires. how delicious.

also, how about ProBand being released with 60 gig ipods and the introduction of dj ipod equipment. (that might make hp look bad.)

I do wonder where ProBand fits into things. Without having seen the trademark of ProBand, I would have been very surprised to see Apple announce yet another audio app. If ProBand is a pro-grade Garage Band, isn't that already Logic, Logic Express AND Soundtrack? (GarageBand is, though, more oriented to performance that the others. See below.) Just seems like too many titles to me.

I think either (1) Apple took the ProBand trademark to lock it down and prevent a competitor from creating confusion or (2) your hunch is right that it's going to be a live-performance application. (After re-watching the January keynote, I can see that Apple views GarageBand as a performance application; ProBand as a live-gig performance app makes some sense.

[t300]

Appleworks X is totally confirmed.

Introduced in Paris? Perhaps, perhaps not.

[aafuss1]

I'm expecting the new iMac. At Domayne (a store that sells computers in Australia), their Mac section had eMacs, Powerbooks and the G5 on display, but no iMacs. I believe we'll start seeing the new annoucements as early as this evening (as AppleInsider stated) and I hope the AppleSpec page at the Apple support site is updated with the 4 the gen iPod, the Cinema displays introduced in June, and the new iMac specs links.

[SiliconAddict]

Schiller: Behind this curtain, you've all been waiting for it, the ALL NEW POWERBOOK!

*applause & curtains pulled apart revealing a PB G4*

look, it has an all new extra USB port, and cool white stripe on the back

*cough*

that's all...

*Barrage of gunfire*

Yah pretty much like that.......... http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/smiles/new_2gunsfiring_v1.gif

Another G4 and another set of delays. If anyone thinks Moto will have a dual core CPU before sometime next year they are on crack.

I’ve really lost any patients for most of Apple’s products. Everything I want to spend my money on is one version away.
iPod = Need 60GB to fit my collection.
PowerBook = Current performance sucks compared to the competition and to really get ready for future versions of OS X optimized for the G5 the CPU of choice right now is a G5.
iMac? = Don’t care since I already have a desktop. (Note that I understand the much needed move to the G5 though.)
PowerMac? = Don’t care because I already have a desktop.
iSight? = Don’t care since I don’t know a single person who does video conf.

[BWhaler]

My predictions

Show Surprise: iPod features and add ons which change the portable music player game. Apple needs to make MS look like their launch on 9/2 is a non-event.

iSight works for the PC

iMac. People will love the design, hate the specs. Apple will sell a ton of them for 9 months

Apple remote that looks like a long iPod

ProBand

All things considered, it's been a slow year for Apple. I hope we see amazing products from Apple tomorrow.

[Cannibal]

my money and i await the goodness to flow from Paris like wine... i haven't been this excited in a long time, and it's making me nervous. i have been holding of on an upgrade for so long that - at this point - i REALLY need to upgrade. so this announcement is huge for me.

huge.

-Cannibal-

[akushlan]

Look in bottom right hand corner of this picture

http://www.apple-expo.com/uk/keynote/images/graphic.jpg

that looks like the descriptions of teh new iMac!

[BWhaler]

Can anyone confirm what time the show is in PST? It's 1am, right?

Also, any ideas on how to get a blow-by-blow of the PhilNote? Even if it is a text feed....

Thanks as always.

[Brian Haworth]

Look in bottom right hand corner of this picture

http://www.apple-expo.com/uk/keynote/images/graphic.jpg

that looks like the descriptions of teh new iMac!

Apple UK was ages ago. That's a normal iMac.

[t300]

iPod Mini Matching Remotes...

You heard it from me first, folks. Enjoy.

[aswitcher]

iPod Mini Matching Remotes...

You heard it from me first, folks. Enjoy.

They would be popular...although a AX wireless remote plugin would be a killer

[akushlan]

Apple UK was ages ago. That's a normal iMac.

the site talks about apple expo in paris!

[Brian Haworth]

the site talks about apple expo in paris!

Did you look at the URL? It says UK.

[relimw]

Did you look at the URL? It says UK.

Did you bother to go to the website and check? That happens to be the english language section for the paris expo.

[swissmann]

Interested to see what really comes. Especially the iMac. Please don't drop the eMac without a replacement in the same price range!

[rock6079]

yo is hte keynote 2 hours from now or wat ?

[t300]

yo is hte keynote 2 hours from now or wat ?

Uh, yo...uh, No.

[mcdermd]

yo is hte keynote 2 hours from now or wat ?

It starts on the 31st, not the 30th, yo.

[cornfedgrowth]

I got my g5 2.5 from the apple store in Oregon just a couple days ago. so far its been great! i've decided that i love OSX and i've only been useing it for 3 days. now if i could only get rid of my windows laptop and get a powerbook....

[mcdermd]

From the WS store? We're in the same "area" then (I'm down the Willamette valley). Tuesday's going to be a long wait.

[BWhaler]

Really? Whats your source(s)?

His butt.

[BWhaler]

It starts on the 31st, not the 30th, yo.

Curses. I made the same mistake. I thought it was today.

Guess I have to wait another 24 hours...

[wcj912]

Remember that 'wireless firewire' I don't how it would work, but it may come into play with an iPod update for wireless connectivity - (probably Mac only) :D.

2) A tablet Mac using that 'chameleon patent'?

[ts1973]

I guess it has been said before : but why does ANYONE believe that a dual-core PB will be released when the processor is only announced in October (and then we still probably need a supporting chipset and optimized OS for dual cores).

Maybe, but still very unlikely, we'll see another processor bump in the G4.

Just my 2c anyway.

[iMeowbot]

does no live video feed mean no big releases?
It could simply mean that they want to make the keynote available to paying attendees first, or that it will be happening too early in the day for most Apple stores to show it live, or...

[iNetwork]

I call Virtual PC 7 from M$, since HP is involved in this mess.

[Brian Haworth]

Did you bother to go to the website and check? That happens to be the english language section for the paris expo.

Ah, my mistake. The UK part confused me.

[will]

...but the US and UK Apple Stores are still open as normal.

This has been commented on several times already, but Apple really do need a cheap desktop. I'd hope they'd replace the eMac with a monitorless machine, nice and neat, and allowing those with existing monitors to get a mac very cheaply. The eMac currently costs $799, remove the monitor, add a larger hard drive, and voila, a great Mac for say $699. At that price a 1.25GHz G4 is fine (for now).

[aswitcher]

...but the US and UK Apple Stores are still open as normal.

This has been commented on several times already, but Apple really do need a cheap desktop. I'd hope they'd replace the eMac with a monitorless machine, nice and neat, and allowing those with existing monitors to get a mac very cheaply. The eMac currently costs $799, remove the monitor, add a larger hard drive, and voila, a great Mac for say $699. At that price a 1.25GHz G4 is fine (for now).

There will be lots of debate if this occurs tomorrow :p

[will]

There will be lots of debate if this occurs tomorrow :p

Ooops. I thought it was the 31st today! My bad. Clearly we need telepathic iCal (transmits your diary to your brain directly).

[nmk]

Those of you hoping for a Powerbook revision at the expo are on crack. There's no way Apple will rev the Powerbooks this soon. Going by their typical release schedule, I would say that November would be the soonest an update could be expected. I doubt that the dual core chips are ready. Freescale has only announced that they are going to be making a presentation about their new chips. There is no information indicating that they are actually in production. My guess would be that either Apple will wait till Jan and then release a new model PB. If that isn't feasible, they'll release in incremental rev sometime near November and wait till later in the year for the new model.

I know, I know, what proof do I have for all of this. There isn't any proof, it just makes sense. Besides, It's much more likely than the overly optimistic predictions some seem to be making on this board.

Because no one is buying the current lineup.
I suppose Apple is sending you their daily sales reports. From what I've seen on message boards, plenty of people seem to by buying them. Besides, even if that was the case, Apple can not release a major new rev until their suppliers are ready to supply them with the hardware. G5's in PB's are currently out of the question, and the dual core chips are not in production yet. So there you go, NO REV.

[aswitcher]

Those of you hoping for a Powerbook revision at the expo are on crack. .

:eek: :p

Yeah, I agree ... new v PBG4 later this year or January, and PBG5 sometime next year...

[Devie]

I just want new Powerbooks to come out, G4 or G5, I don't care if it's January (my bday month woo :p )

[aswitcher]

I just want new Powerbooks to come out, G4 or G5, I don't care if it's January (my bday month woo :p )

What dont they have that you need? Faster bus/clock? (sure we all would like that). What else do they lack?

[Devie]

What dont they have that you need? Faster bus/clock? (sure we all would like that). What else do they lack?
The current model is fine for what I need, I just don't like buying things close to the next revision. Since I am only a student, it's hard for me to save enough money to buy my dream machine, so I just want to make sure it'll last me long enough :).
Also with these rumors of the Dual-Core G4's... I want to wait too see what happens with them...

[Neodym]

Hi there,

i just stumbled across a strange advertisement on the webpage of a german online store: When i go to http://www.cyberport.de/ the page presents a banner-ad titled "Music in the Store!" (subtitle: "Music Days im Cyberport Store.").

The ad shows a 4G iPod embraced by a score with an AirPort Express sitting right next to it. The text left to the iPod says (roughly translated): "What does an iPod sense, when Aiport Express is coming closer?" [german: "Was spürt ein iPod wenn ihm Airport Express näherkommt?"]. The announced date is September 2nd/3rd.

I am probably just paranoid :p , but the title could be a subtle innuendo to the iTMS and the setup indicates a WLan connection between both units, thus (maybe) enabling the iPod to directly access the iTMS via AirPort Express without the need for a Computer to sit "in the middle". :D

This makes absolutely sense for me and fits the picture of the iPod as a "musical lifestyle hub" of its own. :cool:

[thatwendigo]

Remember that 'wireless firewire' I don't how it would work, but it may come into play with an iPod update for wireless connectivity - (probably Mac only) :D.


AAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!! :mad:

Stop!

Everyone who keeps talking about "wireless FireWire" without ever reading up about it, just... STOP!

That whole rumor was based on IEEE certification of the FireWire data protocal over an upcoming and unreleased 802 wireless format called 802.15.3. The new standard is only 1Mbit/s faster than existing 802.11g, but will scale with time to something like 200 or 400Mbit/s after about three years.

Thus, in 2007 or 2008, we might see a wireless standard that's as fast as what people think of when they hear FireWire (and that's the older, IEEE 1394A "FireWire 400") today. It doesn't transmit power, it's not as fast as current FireWire.

It's not a magic bullet. Leave. it. alone!

:rolleyes:

[aswitcher]

Hi there,

i just stumbled across a strange advertisement on the webpage of a german online store: When i go to http://www.cyberport.de/ the page presents a banner-ad titled "Music in the Store!" (subtitle: "Music Days im Cyberport Store.").

The ad shows a 4G iPod embraced by a score with an AirPort Express sitting right next to it. The text left to the iPod says (roughly translated): "What does an iPod sense, when Aiport Express is coming closer?" [german: "Was spürt ein iPod wenn ihm Airport Express näherkommt?"]. The announced date is September 2nd/3rd.

I am probably just paranoid :p , but the title could be a subtle innuendo to the iTMS and the setup indicates a WLan connection between both units, thus (maybe) enabling the iPod to directly access the iTMS via AirPort Express without the need for a Computer to sit "in the middle". :D

This makes absolutely sense for me and fits the picture of the iPod as a "musical lifestyle hub" of its own. :cool:

Interesting find! Could be a third party attachement?

[crachoar]

Oh? The Dual-Core G4s? Yeah, they're using them to build Decepticons. Last I heard at least...

The "Cram and Jam" promotion is kind of like molester candy from Apple though. As much as I want to sell my current Powerbook and buy a 15" model, it just feels like bad jujus...

"Look, practically free iPod with purchase of notebook!"-Apple

"Oooooooooohhhh, pretty! You know, my 1G 10GB is kinda crapping out. Plus, I've always kind of debated getting that 15" instead! And now, with such a cheap iPod, I'd be crazy to say no! Sign me-Wait a minute! Does this mean the second I buy this because of the cheap iPod, you're going to release something better so that I have to ebay this computer and iPod to afford the new thingy?"-guy

"Yes! I mean, NO!. Heavens no. We just think a cool fella like you deserves a cheap iPod with that notebook. What's so suspicious about that?"-Apple

"So it's really not a trick then this time? Because I don't like tricks..."-guy

"No comment."-Apple Legal

*4G iPod released the next day*

It's like when you buy a video game console, after months of debating it, your friends finally convince you with the "now or never" line...and the day after you get it, the price is cut by $100 and your friends are like, "..could've told you that man. Jesus, don't you know what 'the internet' is?"

New Powerbooks seem unlikely. But then again, the "Cram and Jam" promotion is just so suspicious...

And besides, they released the 4G iPod in the middle of this promotion! Who's to say they won't release the rumored '60GB iPod' with special 'pro' features on Tuesday, just to screw over the guys that bought the 4G to laugh at the guys who got screwed over and bought the 3G. ;)

[TMA]

Can I join in on the prediction game? :)

- New iMac G5. Star of the show. New form factor, G5, other speed bumps, nice big juicy LCD's. Announced today, shipping starts next month. It will be gorgeous.
- iPod 4th generation. Something exciting is announced about the newest iPods. A new feature is tapped into. As others have said, this will piss on Microsofts strawberries :)
- OS X Tiger. A couple of updates and new features but not conrete shipping date.
- Something else. Perhaps something involving wireless/iPods/Tablets, though I'm tempted to say it's something we've not really guessed at.
- No web stream, but MacRumors will get live text updates. A web stream will be available hours after the event, or the next day.

[TMA]

Wierd Co-incidence or not but I start my new job at an Apple Centre tomorrow :) :) :) Bad news is that I wont be able to follow the keynote, unless they permit me check this site.

[Zaty]

There has been speculation Apple might announce the new iMac as early as tonight. This is a vaild argument as Apple surely wants to get as much publicity as possible. So if they annouce it tonight, the US press can report about it in tomorrow's editions, if they wait until the kenyote, they'll have to wait until the day after tomorrow to spread the news. Even the electronic media probably will have more important stories to cover in their mornig news casts than the release of a new iMac. We'll see...

[AdeFowler]

Assuming the new iMac is released and assuming it's aluminium, I hope we get a keyboard and mouse combo (that will match my soon to be ordered G5 2.5ghz PM :) ).

Keyboard: USB2 for cabled use and charging / wireless / dedicated Exposé keys

Mouse: Re-charging USB2 dock (can be plugged into KB) / 2 buttons (minimum) / scroll wheel based on iPod click wheel (patented for a mouse/input device earlier this year I beleive)

I'm quite happy with my one button mouse but I know that switchers and many mac users find it frustrating. Also (though I'm not certain) Motion and Shake REQUIRE 2 buttons minimum. On this one it's time to stop thinking different.

[JLS]

What dont they have that you need? Faster bus/clock? (sure we all would like that). What else do they lack?

The 12" PB's GFX card sucks really really bad.. A new one of those would be nice. I won't buy a current PB.. im holding out for an update. The 5200 is just madness, I would be stupid to buy that now.

The cram and Jam doesn't finish for a while, so my guess is that there will be no PB update until after this offer ends.

"Offer expires November 2nd, 2004"
http://www.apple.com/uk/education/cramandjam/

:(

When and where exactly will the expo be avalible to stream for our viewing pleasure then?

[Neodym]

Keyboard: USB2 for cabled use and charging / wireless / dedicated Exposé keys


The "wireless keyboard" will be a virtual keyboard on the detachable screen tablet :p :p

[Squire]

Those of you hoping for a Powerbook revision at the expo are on crack. There's no way Apple will rev the Powerbooks this soon. Going by their typical release schedule, I would say that November would be the soonest an update could be expected.

From the buyer's guide:

Product: PowerBook
Last Release: April 19, 2004
Days Since Update: 133 (Average = 171)
Recommendation: Neutral - Mid product cycle

That points to the first week of October if they're updated in an average manner. Of course, it's wishful thinking on my part. ;)

AAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!! :mad:

Stop!

Everyone who keeps talking about "wireless FireWire" without ever reading up about it, just... STOP!

I was wondering how long it would take for you to comment on that. thatwendigo's #1 pet peeve. ;)

Squire

[FFTT]

And if Apple marketing is not sleeping, it will not be a supercomputer in your monitor of a supercomputer on the wall. What comes after that? a supercomputer in the fridge? under the couch? on the porch?

that would be stupid.

HOW ABOUT A SUPERCOMPUTER, HDTV COMBO ON A 30 " SCREEN

BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD AND WIRELESS MOUSE AND REMOTE CONTROL
THAT YOU ENJOY FROM YOUR FAVORITE EASY CHAIR ?

:rolleyes:

[aswitcher]

Assuming the new iMac is released and assuming it's aluminium, I hope we get a keyboard and mouse combo (that will match my soon to be ordered G5 2.5ghz PM :) ).

Keyboard: USB2 for cabled use and charging / wireless / dedicated Exposé keys

.


Keys glow like PB when using USB cable...else BT :)

[mdelaney123]

I am really hoping for an iLife update with a new 6th application...so far thats where Apple really makes my day.

I am ready for a new iPhoto that doesn't SUCK!

I love iMovie and iDVD. These are the 2 reasons I own a Mac! But, for digital photography, editing/organizing, nothing beats MS Digital Image Suite... The image organizing really shines... Keywords, date changes, captions, ratings... ALL STORES in the EXIF information on each photo AND in a database...

Loose the database? No problem, just recatalog the photos...

Moving some photos to another PC... No Problem, just recatalog the photos...

Also, it allows me to place the photos in a directory structure that makes sence to me!

Bring on a new iPhoto and I will dump my XP machine once and for all...

[CmdrLaForge]

Hi there,

i just stumbled across a strange advertisement on the webpage of a german online store: When i go to http://www.cyberport.de/ the page presents a banner-ad titled "Music in the Store!" (subtitle: "Music Days im Cyberport Store."). .......
This makes absolutely sense for me and fits the picture of the iPod as a "musical lifestyle hub" of its own. :cool:

Thats really interesting !! I added the picture ! I guess this new iPod has some hidden WiFi features.
:D

[CmdrLaForge]

Hi guys,

here are my expectations-
- iMac G5. This is pretty much a no brainer. I think the specs from ThinkSecret are true.
- iPod. I guess some cool new WiFi add-on that works together with the Airport Express. Even so I don't see the need for that. The iPod is that small I can easy place it next to my stereo and connect it with regular cables. A remote for the iPod is available. So I don't get it why people want it.
- iWorks. AppleWorks is really old now and I expect that Apple releases a new Version.
- new keyboard and mouse to fit the alu scheme.
- NO new Powerbook or iBook or Powermac
- no changes to the eMac. eMac remains on the price list.

Cheers

[Neodym]

http://homepage.mac.com/loyalp1/.Pictures/imacdock.jpg

Appealing idea :D

[Porchland]

My predictions

Show Surprise: iPod features and add ons which change the portable music player game. Apple needs to make MS look like their launch on 9/2 is a non-event.

Agree. The guts have been fully examined, and there's nothing new there. If there's a killer feature, it's through an add-on or compatibility with other devices.

iSight works for the PC

Hmmm. It would require more than just compatibility with Windows; Apple would have to announce an iChat app for Windows or compatibility with either Windows Messenger or Yahoo Messenger. iChat for Windows seems right. Catering to Windows vs. supporting the home team is a difficult balance, but iPod for Windows was a master stroke. iChat for Windows would be another functional entry into the Mac market for Windows users.

iMac. People will love the design, hate the specs. Apple will sell a ton of them for 9 months

What happens in nine months? I think we're going to be mildly surprised at the iMac.

Apple remote that looks like a long iPod

I'm conflicted about this one but tend to think no.

ProBand

The more I think about it, the more this makes sense as a live gig app -- either as a soundboard plug-in or an out-and-out soundboard replacement. Marketing wise, it would be a bit odd to feature GarageBand as part of iLife but ProBand not. It would be the only iLife app with a branded big brother, and an iLife Pro suite is probably not in the works.

All things considered, it's been a slow year for Apple. I hope we see amazing products from Apple tomorrow.

Whaaa? Apple has updated virtually the entire product line and has refreshed every major app except Keynote and AppleWorks, which I expect to see revised in the next 24 hours.

[Porchland]

http://homepage.mac.com/loyalp1/.Pictures/imacdock.jpg

Appealing idea :D

What gave it away, the "its"? The capital-I "IMac"? (LOL.)

I like the concept of this a lot. The design is parallel to the iPod and fits in with the tablet rumors.

[BWhaler]

I am ready for a new iPhoto that doesn't SUCK!

I love iMovie and iDVD. These are the 2 reasons I own a Mac! But, for digital photography, editing/organizing, nothing beats MS Digital Image Suite... The image organizing really shines... Keywords, date changes, captions, ratings... ALL STORES in the EXIF information on each photo AND in a database...

Loose the database? No problem, just recatalog the photos...

Moving some photos to another PC... No Problem, just recatalog the photos...

Also, it allows me to place the photos in a directory structure that makes sence to me!

Bring on a new iPhoto and I will dump my XP machine once and for all...

I soooo agree with this.

I am amazed Apple has fallen so short with iPhoto. Besides music, it is the most commonly used leg of the digital hub. And yet iPhoto sucks.

I was importing 10,000 pictures on my new 2.5 G5. Fully loaded. Spin ball for 12 hours, then hung the machine. I have to add them in smaller batches to get it to work.

I hope to God Apple gets their act together for iLife 05. The 04 version added a great program they bought and put some incremental features in. Enough is enough. Let's blow away the Windows world, again.

[Neodym]

As a black packaging is only used for PowerMac/Powerbook, it seems that we will see new "Power" machines tomorrow ;) :D :

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/08/27.7.shtml

[Porchland]

I am ready for a new iPhoto that doesn't SUCK!

I love iMovie and iDVD. These are the 2 reasons I own a Mac! But, for digital photography, editing/organizing, nothing beats MS Digital Image Suite... The image organizing really shines... Keywords, date changes, captions, ratings... ALL STORES in the EXIF information on each photo AND in a database...

Loose the database? No problem, just recatalog the photos...

Moving some photos to another PC... No Problem, just recatalog the photos...

Also, it allows me to place the photos in a directory structure that makes sence to me!

Bring on a new iPhoto and I will dump my XP machine once and for all...

I don't like iPhoto for the same reason: The organizational structure makes it impossible to find an image without using iPhoto. I hope that gets fixed in the January iLife '05 update.

My other big gripe about iLife is lack of 16:9 support in iMovie and iDVD. My main TV is 16:9, my main computer is 16:9, I shoot all of my video in 16:9, but iMovie/iDVD can't handle it. Seems likely for the next update.

[James Craner]

My thoughts on new announcements;

1. New G5 iMac.
2. Demo of Virtual PC Ver 7.0, shipping in a few weeks.
3. Updated Appleworks suite - Renamed iWorks
4. Keynote Ver 2.0
5. iSight with new mount
6. New 60 GB iPod
7. Some sort of wireless device (docking station) to connect to an Ipod to allow it to connect to Airport Express.
8. Garageband Pro

I was thinking about the New G5 iMac. One of the concept images I saw was with the DVD / CD Drive in the keyboard, which is a neat solution to the problem of loading disks if indeed the new iMac is wall mounted. Then I thought wouldn't be cool if the keyboard is wireless, but bluetooth does not have enough bandwidth for a superdrive. Then I remember Apple developing wireless firewire - so perhaps apple could have a wireless keyboard with a superdrive. Just a thought anyway ....

[achmafooma]

The more I think about it, the more this makes sense as a live gig app -- either as a soundboard plug-in or an out-and-out soundboard replacement. Marketing wise, it would be a bit odd to feature GarageBand as part of iLife but ProBand not. It would be the only iLife app with a branded big brother, and an iLife Pro suite is probably not in the works.

iMovie has its Final Cut Express and Final Cut Pro ... so it makes sense to me (from a product and marketing standpoint) to have a pro-level version for users to move up to after dabbling with GarageBand. I'm thinking it would mesh Logic and Sountrack into one all-encompasing app -- much like GarageBand, but without its limitations and significantly more powerful (ie. full production quality).

[Stella]

The iSight works fine for PCs.. though you do get "Can't locate drivers for device" dialogs popping up on every boot up. I could never get iSight to work for AOL Messenger but works just fine with MSN Messenger.

[Abstract]

Are the single-core G4 derivatives that FreeScale are developing shipping yet, or only announced?

Announced, but not shipping. Technically, the 1.5GHz G4 is one of the chips. Remember when Moto could only produce a 1.42GHz G4 to put in the PowerMac G4? And some called that an overclocked 1.25GHz G4 as well (not true, but whatever). Now all of a sudden they're fitting a 1.5GHz G4 into a PB without a hitch? Heh. ;)

[iMeowbot]

As a black packaging is only used for PowerMac/Powerbook,
The 3rd gen iPod came in a black box. iPods are pro equipment now? How about the iSight?

I really think they choose box colors by what makes a given product look cool, nothing more.

They use the black shrouds all the time.

[zelmo]

I was importing 10,000 pictures on my new 2.5 G5. Fully loaded. Spin ball for 12 hours, then hung the machine.

In out preflight department at work we refer to it as SPOD, or the Spinning Pinwheel Of Death. :D

[appleface]

Heck, if I'm sitting acrosss the room [like I'd ever be that far away from my Mac!] and the logo on the computer flashes to let me know I have mail, that's geeky chic, isn't it?
you're right. apple would be sure to avoid the tacky factor with chameleon. they unveiled the rainbow imacs, and they were a hit. i'm sure they could do something similar with the chameleon.

[Abstract]

They're going to announce a portable computer. No, not a laptop, but a portable computer the size of 2 iPods stuck together. Connect an LCD to it, a mouse and keyboard using 2 of USB slots, and tada, you have a computer. Then you can carry that mofo to your friend's house, to the office, etc, and it'll act as a portable HD with an entire operating system on it. It'll use the 60GB drives not being used in the iPods.

Someone at Apple (sorry, forgot who) said themselves that the 60GB drives were better suited to an entirely new device, and maybe not the iPod. They're right....the sales figures on the 40GB reflects this. Its only a very specialized market that wants it, but not unless they use them in the new Apple mini PowerMac!! ;)

[appleface]

Yah pretty much like that.......... http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/smiles/new_2gunsfiring_v1.gif
iSight? = Don’t care since I don’t know a single person who does video conf.

Fifteen years ago, nobody used instant messenger. i'm surprised that apple has not pushed ichat more. it'd be huge with kids.

[CmdrLaForge]

Even so I don't believe that we see new Books, I am wondering what this means :confused: What means next :confused: Logical would be on your lap :confused:

[JGowan]

My prediction, fwiw....

Schiller: Oh, and, uh, one more thing...

Curtains open. Steve walks onstage to thunderous applause. He demos the "secret" features of the iPod.I truly like the way you think! :D

[wPod]

NOOOOOO!!!!! my 12" PB rev A is turning one year old soon. . . apple cant come out with any cool new products to tempt my wallet! maybe i will work two jobs while attending college and will be able to affoard all of the cool mac stuff i want! or sell my car and walk everywhere. . . or sell some unneeded apendage. . . anyone want to buy a kidney?

[uv23]

Even so I don't believe that we see new Books, I am wondering what this means :confused: What means next :confused: Logical would be on your lap :confused:
No, because Apple's notebooks are not referred to as laptops anymore. And notebooks still sit on your desk.

[JGowan]

Even so I don't believe that we see new Books, I am wondering what this means :confused: What means next :confused: Logical would be on your lap :confused:How about: "A Super Computer on your Wall"... could be talking about the new iMacs. If you seen the couple of pictures that have slipped (don't know if they're real, but supposing they are...) they look very "hangable". That's probably it. I don't think the PowerBooks are going to make another BIG SPLASH until they're upgraded with G5 chips and then we could probably expect some cosmetic changes. Nothing incredibly radical, but at least perfected somehow (God only knows how on that one).

[toughboy]

well.. lets hope that iMac G5s formfactor is better than current iMac... I'm so curiously waiting to see how Apple will be able to improve it..

the other thing.. well.. I'm expecting a bluetooth feature on iPods, and so cable-free earbuds.. we deserve it.. its Generation 4.. we should have it man!

and the last thing.. it will definetly hurt not to see Steve on the stage as the keynote starts.. :( we all miss you SJ

[agentmouthwash]

Apple is not going to discontinue the eMac. Younger kids like to poke LCD screens with their fingers, so CRT screens are still needed for education.

[Zaty]

Even so I don't believe that we see new Books, I am wondering what this means :confused: What means next :confused: Logical would be on your lap :confused:

"On your lap" would be logical but then Apple wouldn't use those banners because it would be to obvious that a PB G5 is coming. Apple likes to surprise so let's wait and see. Secondly, the PB G5 is still several months away. If you think abut it, they say a "supercomputer on your desk" but how many people do have a G5 tower ON their desk? Apart from the word game, there might be more to it.

[Zaty]

No, because Apple's notebooks are not referred to as laptops anymore. And notebooks still sit on your desk.

What's the difference between laptop and notebook, I alwasys thought there were synonyms, so whether Apple calls their portable computers laptop or notebooks doesn't make any difference as it's the same thing.

[appleface]

does anyone have details on the new isight mount? maybe the mount was changed, so it can be mounted on the new imacs.

[Neodym]

What's the difference between laptop and notebook, I alwasys thought there were synonyms, so whether Apple calls their portable computers laptop or notebooks doesn't make any difference as it's the same thing.

AFAIK Toshiba introduced the term "notebook" when they developed the small B5-formfactor (Think of the "Portege" series) - to stress the much smaller size compared to the things you could move around, but barely fit into you bag (which you can do easily with a small (paper) notebook).

Later on "Notebook" got common as "xerox" for copying... ;-)

[agentmouthwash]

The one product Apple <b>NEEDS</b> to release:

A multi-button Pro Mouse.

Come on Apple! Just ship it with the Powermacs. I need the scroll
wheel. I need right click, left click.

I truly think Apple could make a ton of money if they released one.

[EJBasile]

I thought Apple called there laptops/notebooks PORTABLES.

On apples web page:

Portables
iBook G4. Two sizes, slot-loading CD or DVD, G4 processors up to 1.2 GHz, priced so you can afford the iLife. Starts at $1099.

PowerBook G4. All-out performance in three sizes (12-, 15- and 17-inch screens), with 4X SuperDrive and speeds up to 1.5GHz.

[fflipper]

does anyone have details on the new isight mount? maybe the mount was changed, so it can be mounted on the new imacs.

Well i recieved what i think was the iSight 2 about a week and a half ago. The new mount is a small white plastic that has the opening in it for the firewire cable. On the bottom of this mount is a rather low powered magnet. The images in the manual show the magnet being set on top of the new displays. Could possibly work on the new iMac whatever it looks like though having a magnet (if the rumors are correct) anywhere near a hardrive/ram no matter how low powered the magnet is is not the greatest ideas.

For those that are going to correct me i am going to head you off at the pass here- I understand that speakers have magnets and you can shield things. I just dont like taking chances when it comes to magnetic field sensitive devices. I cringe everytime my powerbook goes through the xray machine at the airport, knowing full well that i am just being paranoid.

[MegaSignal]

For those that are going to correct me i am going to head you off at the pass here- I understand that speakers have magnets and you can shield things. I just dont like taking chances when it comes to magnetic field sensitive devices. I cringe everytime my powerbook goes through the xray machine at the airport, knowing full well that i am just being paranoid.

AFAIK x-ray machines are not "magnetic". So you can relax. Think of it as a bright light that you can't see...

[peteMG]

Oh boy ... Phil.

I wonder if his keynote is going to be Dynamic! In Real Time!

(anyone remember that from WWDC this year?)

[morkintosh]

The one product Apple <b>NEEDS</b> to release:
A multi-button Pro Mouse.

Come on Apple! Just ship it with the Powermacs. I need the scroll
wheel. I need right click, left click.

Microsoft beat them to it: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/philippestarck.mspx

[rendezvouscp]

The 3rd gen iPod came in a black box. iPods are pro equipment now? How about the iSight?

I really think they choose box colors by what makes a given product look cool, nothing more.

They use the black shrouds all the time.

Well, the iPods are somewhat a "pro" device, compared to their little brother, the iPod mini. The iSight is also somewhat a "pro" device, but the only one in its family.
–Chase

[rendezvouscp]

iMovie has its Final Cut Express and Final Cut Pro ... so it makes sense to me (from a product and marketing standpoint) to have a pro-level version for users to move up to after dabbling with GarageBand. I'm thinking it would mesh Logic and Sountrack into one all-encompasing app -- much like GarageBand, but without its limitations and significantly more powerful (ie. full production quality).

I've always kinda hoped that they would do something like this. If you look at their pro page, you can somewhat understand what the apps are, but that would be clearer. Also, it'd be really cool to have low-level apps of the high-end ones.
–Chase

[achmafooma]

Well i recieved what i think was the iSight 2 about a week and a half ago. The new mount is a small white plastic that has the opening in it for the firewire cable. On the bottom of this mount is a rather low powered magnet. The images in the manual show the magnet being set on top of the new displays. Could possibly work on the new iMac whatever it looks like though having a magnet (if the rumors are correct) anywhere near a hardrive/ram no matter how low powered the magnet is is not the greatest ideas.
I have the same attitude (generally) ... you should have seen the look on my face when I found out that the iBook and PowerBook latches work using magnets!

Put a paperclip or other light piece of metal up against the latch (the part you press) on the front of an iBook, the magnet will hold it there ... very bizarre.

[2A Batterie]

I'm not sure what will be unveiled tomorrow, but I would anticipate on not seeing ProBand or Garageband Pro as some on this board have speculated. If it is a professional application, chances are it would be unveiled at the NAMM conferance. Also, Logic7 (made by eMagic, which Apple bought last year) is in beta right now so I don't expect Apple to release two of the products... and no, I don't think Logic7 is ProBand. Despite NDA, some boneheads posting info/screenshots of Logic7 on some boards, and it looks nothing like an Apple/Garageband-type interface.

</bush'04>

[savar]

The one product Apple <b>NEEDS</b> to release:

A multi-button Pro Mouse.

Come on Apple! Just ship it with the Powermacs. I need the scroll
wheel. I need right click, left click.

I truly think Apple could make a ton of money if they released one.

It would be really nice if Apple released a mouse with 3-5 buttons and a scroll wheel, so that we could take better advantage of Expose.

I have a Kensington wireless with a scroll touch pad, and it has a little white button under the scroll pad which is great for expose, but I could use one or two more of them. And the RF isn't as cool as using BT.

[CmdrLaForge]

Well, the iPods are somewhat a "pro" device, compared to their little brother, the iPod mini. The iSight is also somewhat a "pro" device, but the only one in its family.
–Chase

iPods a "pro" device ??? I don't think so. iPods are really a consumer product.

[iMeowbot]

Well, the iPods are somewhat a "pro" device, compared to their little brother, the iPod mini.

The black boxes were there long before there was a mini, and the iPod (all sizes) has been marketed as a consumer item since day one.

The iSight is also somewhat a "pro" device, but the only one in its family.

iSight is a state-of-the-art video camera that’s the easiest way to video conference with your colleagues, friends and family over broadband.

That's a description for a consumer toy. Professional video cameras sell for thousands of dollars, not USD149.

[savar]

I don't like iPhoto for the same reason: The organizational structure makes it impossible to find an image without using iPhoto. I hope that gets fixed in the January iLife '05 update.

My other big gripe about iLife is lack of 16:9 support in iMovie and iDVD. My main TV is 16:9, my main computer is 16:9, I shoot all of my video in 16:9, but iMovie/iDVD can't handle it. Seems likely for the next update.

You guys should submit this stuff to Apple.

I submitted the iPhoto directory organization dilemma to Apple after seeing my mom try to submit an alias file (referencing a jpg photo) to an online photography contest. I was hoping Apple would simply add a module to Safari that would look up the iPhoto library whenever you click on a "Choose File" button for a jpg.

[wdlove]

I very happy that it's less than 24 hours till MacWorld Paris and the Keynote. This time tomorrow we will be discussing the actual results.

[savar]

"On your lap" would be logical but then Apple wouldn't use those banners because it would be to obvious that a PB G5 is coming. Apple likes to surprise so let's wait and see. Secondly, the PB G5 is still several months away. If you think abut it, they say a "supercomputer on your desk" but how many people do have a G5 tower ON their desk? Apart from the word game, there might be more to it.

Several months? True understatement.

The G5 PB is more like 12 months away. A dual-core G4 won't be available for a few months, and that seems much more likely for the next revision...and then Apple wouldnt release a G5 for many months after that, since it irritates customers when expensive, premiere technology is obsoleted so quickly.

I imagine that they will have to talk about PB revisions tomorrow, since if the iMac goes to G5, they can't leave a pro model behind a consumer model. There will be awkward silence if they don't talk about it. Hmm as I'm writing I think maybe Apple would keep quite just to save a little face.

The dual-core G4 will be renamed G5 express...and PBs will ship Q1 of 2005.

[zelmo]

I very happy that it's less than 24 hours till MacWorld Paris and the Keynote. This time tomorrow we will be discussing the actual results.

Agreed. People have floated so many rumors and suggestions out there that there is really nothing new to whine about until we see the actual hardware. Then, all of what has come before will seem like a mere warm-up. Let the Games begin! :rolleyes:

[wdlove]

Agreed. People have floated so many rumors and suggestions out there that there is really nothing new to whine about until we see the actual hardware. Then, all of what has come before will seem like a mere warm-up. Let the Games begin! :rolleyes:

You are correct, it will probably just fan the flame of further speculation. Without speculation about Apple it would get very dull. It will be interesting to see if Phil Schiller will leave some hints like Steve did at WWDC, regarding the iMac.

[sushi]

Hmm, that's actually not too bad of an idea, for Apple to come out with their own Office-like product.
IMHO, I doubt that we will see an iOffice/iSuite/iAppleWorks/etc.

MSFT already makes a decent Office suite that is basically an industry standard. Mac users (who are in the corporate environment) need Office. MSFT Office is key for switchers to make the switch. Apple does not want to jeapardize MSFT's support of Office on the Mac at this time.

Sushi

[zelmo]

You are correct, it will probably just fan the flame of further speculation. Without speculation about Apple it would get very dull. It will be interesting to see if Phil Schiller will leave some hints like Steve did at WWDC, regarding the iMac.

I hope Phil leaves us guessing at what comes next, too.
You know, it was vital to the continuing existence of Apple to have regrouped and pared down their product offerings when they went with the consumer quadrant [iMac/iBook/PowerMac/PowerBook] line-up, Lord knows it was tough to keep straight which ones were new, old, discontinued, etc. Based on the current landscape of Apple offerings, there does seem to be a largish hole between the consumer line and the Power line. Apple was wise enough to recognize that the eMac had a place beyond the edu market. Hopefully, they also recognize the growing demand [and need] for a computer that treads the water between i- and Power-. A single processor, headless, mini tower with decent spec's and an upgrade path, priced to sell around $900 to $1,100, would be a good addition to the line-up. Apple could never hope to satisfy all of us, nor would it be wise to try, but that seems like the right place to start.
Just my two Abe's.

[zelmo]

If the iMac G5 is priced comparable to the iMac G4, then the "high-end" version will run somewhere around $2,200. The next step up is to a dual 1.8 PM at $2,000, then another $1,300 for the 20 inch CD. $3,300 is a 50% price hike, and that's before you add any options, like some memory?
Man, there's a LOT of room between these two Macs. C'mon Phil/Steve, show me something. I want to be stunned.

[mcdermd]

The one product Apple NEEDS to release:

A multi-button Pro Mouse.

Come on Apple! Just ship it with the Powermacs. I need the scroll
wheel. I need right click, left click.

I truly think Apple could make a ton of money if they released one.

They already exist - just not from Apple:
http://www.macmice.com/themouse.html

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/7992/mouse_480_1.th.jpg (http://img11.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img11&image=mouse_480_1.jpg)

[Porchland]

IMHO, I doubt that we will see an iOffice/iSuite/iAppleWorks/etc.

MSFT already makes a decent Office suite that is basically an industry standard. Mac users (who are in the corporate environment) need Office. MSFT Office is key for switchers to make the switch. Apple does not want to jeapardize MSFT's support of Office on the Mac at this time.

Sushi

Agreed in principal, but those trademark registrations surely mean something. If not a suite that competes with MS Office, I'd like to see Apple try and accomodate the shirt-and-tie set. There's actually a tab on apple.com called "Business," but the target page hasn't gotten much attention lately.

I think there's a large and underserved market of technologically savvy small business owners that would love to do away with Windows altogether if they could get a little more guidance from Apple.

[Porchland]

How about: "A Super Computer on your Wall"... could be talking about the new iMacs. If you seen the couple of pictures that have slipped (don't know if they're real, but supposing they are...) they look very "hangable". That's probably it. I don't think the PowerBooks are going to make another BIG SPLASH until they're upgraded with G5 chips and then we could probably expect some cosmetic changes. Nothing incredibly radical, but at least perfected somehow (God only knows how on that one).

A hangable option for the iMac got lots of attention on these boards a few months ago when the pizza box rumors were all the rage, but the impression I've been getting lately is that it's going to be on an easel or some sort of stand.

A wall-mounting option for the iMac makes great sense if Apple is going to market the iMac as more of an entertainment device. I haven't gotten the impression that Apple has this in mind, but it's not a bad thought either.

[Ge4-ce]

The new iMac G5 has a cameleon function to change color to mood etc..

But, unfortunatly, as a cause of a bug, the iMac has a strange habit of scaring the living **** out of people by camouflage itself away and sneek up on people!

[tugttw]

Below is a photo I found posted on SpyMac, and originally uploaded to IpodFrance by a user who's name I am not sure of. Whether this photo is real or not, I am not sure. Most people are saying its Photoshopped. Either way, I wouldn't mind owning it!

http://www.ipodfrance.com/ipodfrance/photos/albums/userpics/imac.jpg

[Wonder Boy]

Below is a photo I found posted on SpyMac, and originally uploaded to IpodFrance by a user who's name I am not sure of. Whether this photo is real or not, I am not sure. Most people are saying its Photoshopped. Either way, I wouldn't mind owning it!

http://www.ipodfrance.com/ipodfrance/photos/albums/userpics/imac.jpg

yikes. no thank you.

[bux]

Wow!
If the new iMac looks like that I don't care about the specs! =)

I want one!

EDIT: Although I'm pretty sure that it won't look like that...

[zelmo]

Below is a photo I found posted on SpyMac, and originally uploaded to IpodFrance by a user who's name I am not sure of. Whether this photo is real or not, I am not sure. Most people are saying its Photoshopped. Either way, I wouldn't mind owning it!

http://www.ipodfrance.com/ipodfrance/photos/albums/userpics/imac.jpg

Slick, but I still wish that all the guts would be in the base and up the chimney of the stand. Then, any VESA compliant LCD could attach to it, and maybe Apple would offer a headless version for those people who just won't shut up about it. :)

[rendezvouscp]

The new iMac G5 has a cameleon function to change color to mood etc..

But, unfortunatly, as a cause of a bug, the iMac has a strange habit of scaring the living S H I T out of people by camouflage itself away and sneek up on people!

That reminds me of those commercials with the iMac moving around, especially the one with the person walking past and the iMac looking at them. They could put a whole new twist on that with a camouflage iMac.
–Chase

[aafuss1]

Here's my PC specs-comparable to the iMac, especially the video card in particular:
Here's the system specs I'm running Far Cry on:
CPU:Intel(R) Pentium 2.40GHz
Motherboard: Jetway 845GDML
RAM: 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM
HD:Maxtor 6E040LO 40GB, 18.5GB free
Graphics Card:Jetway FX5200
VRAM:128MB

And what my ideak entry-level or mid-range new iMac configuration should have:
CPU:G5-1.6/1.8/2.0 970FX
Motherboard: U3-Lite, 900MHz FSB
RAM: 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM-the same as my PC
HD:80/160GB to 250GB BTO
Graphics Card:FX5200 or a ATI 9200SE/9600-similar to eMac or 1.6GHz G5
VRAM: 64MB, 128MB BTO -if heat issues is not a problem
Other: something similar to Intel HD Audio (5.1 or 7.1 output, optical audio in/out), FW400
Airport Extreme
SuperDrive 8x
Software:AW 6.2, Mac OS X 10.3.5 (a iMac specific build), similar iMac software bundle to G4 but with
Media-Blasters Invader ZIM Vol: Doom, Doom,Doom and Vol 2: Progressive Stupidity (out also on the day of the keynote-Aug 31):
http://media-blasters.com/zim.cfm

Why would I include that:One of my favourite Nick shows, very popular at Amazon and Hot Topic. Would appeal to families with kids who watch or have access Nickelodeon. Region 1-NTSC only (but would work fine in countries with R2/R4 region codes or use PAL).

[macumus]

HP delivers Linux laptop, but why's an iMac on the desktop icon?


http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2-5298692.html

From a ZDNET video story about HP w/ Linux:
about 30 seconds into the video clip. they zoom in on the desktop, the iMac image is part of an icon for "My Computer", third one down in the close up. realplayer needed


I wonder if HP licensed this iMac image from Apple. Can they do that otherwise? Did the linux guys license it? Maybe HP is going to license OS X from Apple and this is just a precursor? Some hefty foreshadowing for the HP/Apple Team if this is a hint of what's to come. Apple obviously needs some manufacturing help to meet demand. HP is #2 in hardware sales. Apple is the best at software (IMHO). Together they can buy Dell/Microsoft in three years!

IBM (awesome what they have in the pipline. multi-core chips. new open hardware/development strategy. they are talking about a chip able to have up to 64 processors (one chip) and able to run 640 operating systems simultaneously. their direction is a magnanimous sea change in processor design),

Motorola on phones (maybe this becomes a PDA/phone with OSXmini)

Freescale, what does their (dual core) 64 bit offering look like?

Sprint/Quicktime (more companies to come) They will soon want apple hardware to deliver the content with. This will drive xserve/xserveRAID sales, and reveal to businesses the power of OS X, xGrid and cluster computing, super-computing for the masses.

Super Computing - Apple has a 2 orders of magnitude price advantage on the competition in just 1-2 years in the business. (actually in their first offering in the space)

iTMS-volume discount (plug in marketing)

HP/Apple here we come...which one will buy the other?

[SilentPanda]

My prediction, fwiw....

Schiller: Oh, and, uh, one more thing...

Curtains open. Steve walks onstage to thunderous applause. He demos the "secret" features of the iPod.

Hey, it could happen....

I was thinking more of a "appears on iChat"... :)

[CholEoptera36]

Whether this photo is real or not, I am not sure. Most people are saying its Photoshopped.

http://www.ipodfrance.com/ipodfrance/photos/albums/userpics/imac.jpg

I definitely agree with whoever says it's photoshopped.

[webmatthijs]

in the article about the new imac it says stevie is doing the keynote and not phil.
could this just be a mistake or is there something ...unexplained... going on.

anyway: steve ur very welcome to come!

[webmatthijs]

Below is a photo I found posted on SpyMac, and originally uploaded to IpodFrance by a user who's name I am not sure of. Whether this photo is real or not, I am not sure. Most people are saying its Photoshopped. Either way, I wouldn't mind owning it!

http://www.ipodfrance.com/ipodfrance/photos/albums/userpics/imac.jpg

OMG that is so fake.

[thatwendigo]

Corroboration, in the form of a screen capture:

[Porchland]

HP/Apple here we come...which one will buy the other?

I'd though about this myself over the weekend and after reading one analyst's comments that HP's wide distribution channel could lead to HP selling more iPods than Apple. That would be great for Apple, since every one of those sales is going to represent an iTMS customer that won't have any use for MSN, Real, Wal-Mart, etc.

What would an HP/Apple look like? Based on current share prices and last 12 months of financials, Apple shareholders would own about 20 percent of the combined company, and Apple would generate about 8 percent of total revenues and total earnings.

Steve/Carly would either be the catfight of the century or a dream team, but the merger would never happen unless both of them wanted it.

Apple would be relatively expensive at its current price for HP, since Apple's price-to-earnings ratio is way higher than HPs.

I think it would be a great thing for Apple if HP planned to leave it alone, let it operate as a largely autonomous unit and develop synergies between the two without forcing HP's culture down Apple's throat. Personally, I'd rather see a long-range partnership than a merger.

Still, the deal would only happen if Steve and Carly wanted it.

[macumus]

Corroboration, in the form of a screen capture:



how did you get the image to post here, I have been trying to attach an image for a while now. how is it done?

[Porchland]

in the article about the new imac it says stevie is doing the keynote and not phil.
could this just be a mistake or is there something ...unexplained... going on.

anyway: steve ur very welcome to come!

iCreate is a glossy mag with a much earlier deadline than a newsweekly or newspaper. I'm guessing this was printed prior to the disclosure that Steve had cancer.

[CholEoptera36]

how did you get the image to post here, I have been trying to attach an image for a while now. how is it done?

Type in and place the link of the image between the two tags.

[macumus]

Type in and place the link of the image between the two tags.


but where are you linking the image to (mine is on my desktop)

[thatwendigo]

What would an HP/Apple look like? Based on current share prices and last 12 months of financials, Apple shareholders would own about 20 percent of the combined company, and Apple would generate about 8 percent of total revenues and total earnings.

Crap.

There's no way in hell that HP corporate would allow Jobs and Ives to operate as they have been. Evidence? Look at what HP sells. They push budget and cut-rate computers that are propped up by the other electronics and server market.

In other words, neither company has the same direction or philosophy and they would clash. Apple is high-margin, high-end, and using hardware that's nonstandard, while HP is the exact opposite.

I think it would be a great thing for Apple if HP planned to leave it alone, let it operate as a largely autonomous unit and develop synergies between the two without forcing HP's culture down Apple's throat. Personally, I'd rather see a long-range partnership than a merger.

I'd rather see neither, myself, but I'm swallowing the current playtime with HP because it's a done deal. The last time Apple trusted other manufacturers, they were horribly burnt and in a death spiral. If there's an acquisition, it will be to Apple's - and our - detriment.

There is only one thing that HP has to offer Apple, but ridiculous ammounts that Apple can offer to the larger company. Increased manufacturing and distribution channels wouldn't make up for the loss of freedom and cutthroat model that HP pursues. Dell is going down in the next five years, precisely because they're going to be competing against the Chinese companies that are building these machines. It's not going to be long before ridiculously cheap Linux boxes start coming out of Asia and companies like HP won't be able to keep up on the desktop without having something special to offer.

Apple does, in the form of its OS and whole-package solutions, not to mention the style and functionality of their designs. That's what's let them survive against the whole PC industry for this long.

[TMA]

but where are you linking the image to (mine is on my desktop)

You need to upload your image onto a website, like a .mac homepage or space given to you by your ISP. The easiest way though is link to the place where you found the image, if you got it from the web in the first place. To do this, load the webpage with the image in it, right click on the image and select "Open image in new tab" or "Open image in new window" you can then easily copy the URL from the address bar into your forum post between the tags. That's what I do anyway.

[zelmo]

Apple has only courted the enemy with this iPod arrangement as a means to fortify the position of both the iPod and iTMS through massive distribution. They have not licensed the technology, only attempted to reach another audience - the non-cutting edge PC buyer who never realised they could use an iPod with Windows. Sadly, this is actually probably a large group of people.
I don't think there will be any earth-shattering announcement of a merger or "strategic partnership" with any company in the near term, certainly not in the next 24 hours. Apple might find a use for a broader distribution channel in another area down the road, and dip it's toes in the PC pool once more, but in general they will remain a lone wolf, surviving or not, on their own terms. Thank goodness for that.

[MacsRgr8]

The new iMac G5 has a cameleon function to change color to mood etc..

But, unfortunatly, as a cause of a bug, the iMac has a strange habit of scaring the living S H I T out of people by camouflage itself away and sneek up on people!

LOL!

:D

Damn.... the iScareU.
I've always treated my Macs as living creatures.. but this could get scary!
:eek: :D

[JLS]

You need to upload your image onto a website, like a .mac homepage or space given to you by your ISP. The easiest way though is link to the place where you found the image, if you got it from the web in the first place. To do this, load the webpage with the image in it, right click on the image and select "Open image in new tab" or "Open image in new window" you can then easily copy the URL from the address bar into your forum post between the tags. That's what I do anyway.

http://www.digitalresolve.co.uk/upload

[solvs]

but where are you linking the image to (mine is on my desktop)
You should see a button to Manage Attachments right below where it says Submit Reply and Preview Post (under Additional Options) when you go to post or reply to something. If you don't see it, maybe you have to be a regular instead of a newbie. It's been awhile, I don't remember, so you might want to read the Site FAQ for more info.

[TorbX]

I don't think there will be any earth-shattering announcement of a merger or "strategic partnership" with any company in the near term, certainly not in the next 24 hours. Apple might find a use for a broader distribution channel in another area down the road, and dip it's toes in the PC pool once more, but in general they will remain a lone wolf, surviving or not, on their own terms. Thank goodness for that.

I have mixed feeling with this.. Maybe it could be nice? DOn't think it'll ever happen, though...

Later,
-TorbX.

[wdlove]

Below is a photo I found posted on SpyMac, and originally uploaded to IpodFrance by a user who's name I am not sure of. Whether this photo is real or not, I am not sure. Most people are saying its Photoshopped. Either way, I wouldn't mind owning it!

http://www.ipodfrance.com/ipodfrance/photos/albums/userpics/imac.jpg

That design definitely would not be my preference. Just don't care for white.

I would also feel uncomfortable with a computer on the wall. It is a system that would definitely require professional installation.

[Porchland]

There's no way in hell that HP corporate would allow Jobs and Ives to operate as they have been. Evidence? Look at what HP sells. They push budget and cut-rate computers that are propped up by the other electronics and server market.

In other words, neither company has the same direction or philosophy and they would clash. Apple is high-margin, high-end, and using hardware that's nonstandard, while HP is the exact opposite.

I generally agree with you that an Apple/HP merger would not be a match made in heaven, but I don't think the reason is that HP sells cheap stuff. It's not unusual at all for a company to feature products at very different price points. Gap (Old Navy, Gap, Banana Republic) and Ford (Focus, Jaguar, etc.) are two perfect examples of companies that serve totally different demographics with products that are only categorically simple.

I think a merger between HP and Apple COULD work fine in a perfect world, but the risk that it wouldn't is substantial.

[macumus]

Thanks for the hints on adding attachments.

Obviously I just needed to scroll down further. I guess I'm just used to sites designed for win98 ... simple and unsophisticated. I knew it was easy & I just didn't see the additional tools I was looking for. Although I am a forum newbie I've been using solely Apples since Apple III and before, an early adopter. I guess I just need a 30" Cinema HD Display, so that I won't have to scroll down so much. Maybe next year...I thought my 17" was nice.

HP/Apple -- a partnership is more where I mean to go, rather than merger. Partnership has already started. I think that Apple could have a compelling enough product with the iMac G5, that HP may want in so they could offer a broader choice of products, and OSs) and Apple may need HP to help get them out the door if it sells like hot cakes. Think of it as HP renting manufacturing to Apple. But HP gets the right to resell "non price competitively", there by effectively licensing the OS while leaving Apple independent. This would (will) give Apple a massive marketing advantage. HP will be (has already) spending big money on advertising for both companies. Merger would be years or more, only after the world tosses out their windows software dependance. This could, however, open a lot of eyes to what Apple has to offer. And the fact is Apple needs to be able to meet huge demand when they come out with a product that screams "done right." If they had met demand they would have sold far more iPods in the holiday seasons. HP can help with this. HP can and will sell the hell out of Apple products.

HP could start selling Airport, Airport Express to go with the iPod's and MediaPC's with iTunes. or just to go with their printers (or in their printers)

Watch this grow.

I will take several steps but look for this partnership to move in the opposite direction from the RealNetworks/Apple partnership. this will be awesome for Apple and the computer using world. A breath of fresh Aqua will wash over the world. Wait for home-on-iPod... what will HP do with that if they only offer windows. sell mac's also, to get all the features of an iPod?

What could HP do with xServe/xServeRAID/Cluster Super Computing.

They could co-develop better products than any other two companies.

no merger will happen soon, but acquisitions along the way are likely
besides, why merge when you can just, co-operate?
HP/Hewlett-Packard and Apple both have great Brand Recognition why trade two for one. Why eliminate one when you can have an "Apple iPod + (from) HP" as in the comercials. But IMHO they might become co-dependant companies.

if it works, here's my image:

[macumus]

so that was so easy here's the other

[ceo2b]

I do not know the time difference between Paris and EST, but when should news from the Expo hit AP news and such...

errr, I got the answers. It will begin at 4AM EST/ 1AM PST.

[izzle22]

I do not know the time difference between Paris and EST, but when should news from the Expo hit AP news and such...

About 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning

[Nebulousforce]

Video of the '04 Paris Keynote, the only problem is when? We may all see it elsewhere sooner but this is what the good ol' Google search has offered me. Sorry, this link may or may not take you to the translated version.
:confused:
http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.macitynet.it/macity/paris02/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dapple%2Bexpo%2Bparis%2B04%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8

[Wardofsky]

does anyone have details on the new isight mount? maybe the mount was changed, so it can be mounted on the new imacs.

"On top is a magnet for conveniently mounting an iSight camera. There is no stand to break off, no sticky adhesive."

http://www.wardofsky.com/photos/newimac/isightmountmag.jpg