Dad Says Principal Duct-Taped Son's Pants

[musicpyrite]

DUNLAP, Ind. - The father of a seventh-grader claims an assistant principal came up with a bizarre way to keep his son's pants from sagging in school: duct tape.

Scott Allison told the Concord School Board earlier this month that his 12-year-old son, Spencer, was ordered by a teacher to lift his shirt after she noticed the boy's underwear was showing above his pants, a violation of Concord Junior High School's dress code.

She sent him to Assistant Principal Patricia Walters, who told Spencer to pull up his pants and tuck in his shirt, Allison said.

"She then proceeded to duct tape his waist, three times around the waist," said Allison. "Then she sent him back to class, in front of his peers."

Linkey (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040928/ap_on_re_us/duct_tape_belt)

Duck tape proves its usefulness again!

I wish the principal at my school would do something like this. There are many kids at my school that do this kind of stuff. They bend over or something in the hall and it's like DAMN!!! Put that thing away, there are children here!

Kids these days. :mad:

[Sun Baked]

No need to see the plumbers smile in school. http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3304&stc=1

[PlaceofDis]

you just gotta love how schools are starting to get a little creative these days

[musicpyrite]

even draw if you ask me, but you just gotta love how schools are starting to get a little creative these days
They have to be creative with all the stuff kids are doing these days. Kids having sex on the school bus, violence (especially at my school), and threats.

There have kids at my school to bring in a water bottle into class, everybody though they were drinking water or Gatorade, but in-fact it was beer.Kids disable the smoking alarms in the bath rooms to smoke. (not really that hard anyways)Kids hiding drugs in between the linings of their purses or back packs.

Gotta keep up with the times buddy. ;)

[kevin49093]

I've used duck tape on kids at school.
Works wonders to get the kids to tuck their shirts in and their pants pulled up. As long as it is done with humor, I see nothing wrong with it!

[Hemingray]

What gets me is the dad's response:

"This outrages me and shocks me," Allison said.

Oh give me a friggin' break. This guy's probably never disciplined his kid and teaches him this stuff is totally acceptable to begin with. I'd like to have seen him in school about 100 years ago, he'd have been horsewhipped for less.

I can think of another great use for duct tape, and it involves his mouth. :mad:

[Chip NoVaMac]

I think that this is probably beyond the rules of the School District, I mean low rider pants and undershorts showing. More the reason to go to uniforms since parents can't seem to have control over their children. Too many parents feel that kids will be kids, never did my parents feel that way. I lived under their roof and their rules. Some kids today should get used to it. Period.

[WinterMute]

I think the kid was lucky he didn't go to my school...

Can anyone say "major wedgie?

Duct tape (or gaffa tape as it's called in the UK) is the most important item in a recording studio, WD40 is invaluable in a workshop, no self-respecting modern man should be without either. :D

[Apple Hobo]

"This outrages me and shocks me," Allison said.

What a girly man! :p Is it me, or is the word "outraged" being overused these days? I can't read a letter to the editor in a magazine or newspaper that doesn't start off with "I am outraged...!" People need to chill the **** out and stop being outraged over petty crap. :rolleyes:

[mlw1235]

While I'm all for duct tape, the assistant principal in his office has a huge roll of rope. I asked him what it was for (I help in the office every day) and (duh!) he asked me if I needed a belt....haha...."Any size you want!!" :D :D :D

This dress code stuff comes out big in august and september and by november (at least here) it gets cold, and the topic gets dropped.

[iJon]

That's pretty dumb if you ask me. Embarassing the kid like that with duct tape. T my high school I would wear this Abercrombie shirt on it that had a girl taking off her bikini, they only asked me to turn it inside out at the most. I would just send the kid home. If you lift up my shirt you can see my boxers. You can't see alot but you can see some. I sense the dad having a lawsuit over this if I had to guess.

iJon

[themadchemist]

I've used duck tape on kids at school.

this is the problem with school

[Chip NoVaMac]

It is really a matter of what we are willing accept as "acceptable" dress within the schools. I consider my myself liberal, but since parents, students, and schools can't seem to agree on what is right or wrong. Then uniforms are the answer.

[homerjward]

not sure about my hs yet but in ms they would loan kids belts who did that, then send 'em to in school suspension for the day. duct tape seems like a better idea cause kids would always steal the belts, then show up again without one. oh and about what musicpyrite said, some kid i knew got busted for zima in an ozarka water bottle :eek:

[applemacdude]

DUCT TAPE HEY! LAZY'S MAN WAY

[mactastic]

What a girly man! :p Is it me, or is the word "outraged" being overused these days? I can't read a letter to the editor in a magazine or newspaper that doesn't start off with "I am outraged...!" People need to chill the **** out and stop being outraged over petty crap. :rolleyes:

Personally I'm outraged by the outrage. :D

[rainman::|:|]

It is really a matter of what we are willing accept as "acceptable" dress within the schools. I consider my myself liberal, but since parents, students, and schools can't seem to agree on what is right or wrong. Then uniforms are the answer.

That's akin to saying, "Democrats and republicans can't agree, so let's nuke the whole damn country". Killing a fly with a mallet. Adolescence is about learning real life, so you can become an adult, because you'll be in the real world soon. Learning to dress onesself is part of that... And learning the consequences of any particular style of dress.

The school sounds far too lenient on it's dress code enforcement. Strike one, send home to change, or turn inside out. Strike two, 3-day in-school suspension. Strike three, expulsion. Combine that with a sensible dress code that says "intact pants, shirt, footwear, all in the right places" and situations like this wouldn't be an issue. If the little bastard can't keep his ass from falling out, he doesn't get to go to HS anymore. It's not our problem, or the school's problem, if that happens... if the principal wants to get creative, he should find a new way to teach math, not ways to embarrass kids into compliance...

paul

[Mechcozmo]

Superglue. :D



And people having sex on school buses...."Dubya tee eff?" WTF????????
Totally boggles the mind. :confused: :eek:

[musicpyrite]

The school sounds far too lenient on it's dress code enforcement. Strike one, send home to change, or turn inside out. Strike two, 3-day in-school suspension. Strike three, expulsion. Combine that with a sensible dress code that says "intact pants, shirt, footwear, all in the right places" and situations like this wouldn't be an issue. If the little bastard can't keep his ass from falling out, he doesn't get to go to HS anymore. It's not our problem, or the school's problem, if that happens... if the principal wants to get creative, he should find a new way to teach math, not ways to embarrass kids into compliance...

paul

Most excellent point Paul, many schools seem far far to lenient on things like dress code, attitude, etc. I see many kids (supposedly 'young adults' :rolleyes: ) who give up easily, and act like they don't want to be in school at all, and are just a burden to those of us who want to learn.

What this principal did was good, using mostly peer pressure to try and get the kid to wear his pants. But unfortunately, in the 'real life' people aren't going to hold you hand like this, they'll just haul off and fire you sorry ass.

School seems to have changed into something like 'how far can I push the rules?' = people coming to school half naked.

[rainman::|:|]

What this principal did was good, using mostly peer pressure to try and get the kid to wear his pants. But unfortunately, in the 'real life' people aren't going to hold you hand like this, they'll just haul off and fire you sorry ass.

School seems to have changed into something like 'how far can I push the rules?' = people coming to school half naked.

Exactly, I'm sure they all had a good laugh about the duct tape, it was an Event. If I came in with my pants around my upper thighs, my boss would surely not tape my pants up-- she'd haul my ass in her office and it would not be pretty. I might keep my job but only because she likes me. I guess it doesn't bother me that the principal did it-- it's not like it's abuse, it didn't destroy his property (i should think anyway), it was harmless. But we the taxpayers are paying for cutsey little stunts like this, and I'd rather be paying for something worthwhile.

Sidenote, and this may just be the fag in me. Didn't this style of underwear exhibitionism die out with low-rise jeans and the rest of the whore look? Maybe they should be teaching a fashion sense class at this school... I'm not knocking low rise jeans, after how long I worked out to look good in them, but it's so last year.

:)
paul

[cb911]

ha ha. funny stuff. wow, what an embarassment for the poor kid. hopefully he learnt his lesson now, kids should now you can't just go around showing your underwear.

i dont' think the 'plumber was smiling in this school'. the kid would have had his underwear covering up... down below, right?

i wonder if that principl has a can of WD-40 ready to spray squeaky wheel chairs, or stuff like that? :p

[slooksterPSV]

At my old school they made you wear clown type looking pants if you wore pants that sagged to your knees basically. I like the duct-tape idea though. Pretty neat.

[homerjward]

I'm not knocking low rise jeans, after how long I worked out to look good in them, but it's so last year.
paul
oops...i love wearing low-rise jeans. im not sure why; they just seem more comfortable and most of them have slim thighs which i like. not that im exactly in shape or anything and probably shouldnt be wearing them:pa lot of my friends who wear like tight pandts and stuff still sag them and it looks all f*ed up

[MacAztec]

that is stupid. the school just wanted to make a point of embarassing the kid in front of the school so other kids wouldnt wear their pants like that (my guess).

baggy pants isn't really an issue where i live. it was about 6 years ago, but i think most people have grown out of the 'gangster' stage.

[virividox]

i would have just sent the kid home; it would cause all this hubub, personaly i like the duct tape idea, but hey kids got feelings too and rights BAH

[AmigoMac]

Nowadays there are little kids trying to be smart and doing what they want, just because parents think that everything is ok at that age range... forget it, Your rights are over where other people's rights start...

There are still some parents who think this kind of ***** is funny if their kids do so and embarrassing if other kids do it first...

The main fact is not the kind of pants they use, but there are rules, and if you have been told a lot of times to follow some agreements and you don't ... you can't expect anything less than a sample of order...

...mmmm Tape!!! :rolleyes: :p

[neilrobinson]

I remember in australia ( i think it was sydney) that at a private school (i think) (one of the top ones) that the girls where giving the guys um (i just dont want to be banned) well you know in the toilets at break times. apparently they made quite a bit of money before it was closed down.

i cant remember all the details but it was a few years ago when i was at school 3-5 years ago maybe? it caused a fair few problems at the time, i dont remember what the final outcome was but yeah... what are schools coming to?

we use to get away with a fair bit a few years ago but so did the teachers, a remember the duster being thrown quite often and the odd chair. :eek:

P.S. to mods feel free to delete this if you dont think it is appropriate.

[neilrobinson]

heres one of the articals; its about 1/2 way down

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/17/1061059709529.html?oneclick=true

[VincentVega]

Duct tape is nothing to be concerned about, talk about making a big scene out of nothing.

At my school, we had to put up with chairs, blackboard erasers and the like being thrown at us, writing out long-winded 16/17th century legal documents as a punishment, being thrown in hedges and so on. They only stopped corporal punishment (i.e. canings and the like) a few years before I joined - some of the teachers still lamented the fact they couldn't ask someone to bend over and give them ten of the best.

Perhaps that's what's lacking in modern schools: proper discipline.

And sex on a bus? Have they no shame? Eww...

[Chip NoVaMac]

heres one of the articals; its about 1/2 way down

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/17/1061059709529.html?oneclick=true

requires registration.... :mad:

[stoid]

While duck tape is a great idea, I think that some huge stinkin' rainbow suspenders might have also done the trick.

Personally, I don't think that many high school age children have the mental capacity to understand that how the dress can have an enormous impact on their attitude and ability to perform in school. You dress like crap, you start to feel like crap, you start doing crappy work. I don't think that expulsion is the answer to dress code issues. If they are not capable of dressing themselves in the morning, they need more help, not less help. It is not easy, especially with so many negative pressures from society and peers, to grow up into a responsible and productive adult. The last thing that we need is to kick 'problem children' out of school. By doing that, we are giving them a strong push to being 'problem adults' that perpetuate crime, violence, and disfunctionality. The longer you can keep a child in school, the better chance they have for success.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Duct tape is nothing to be concerned about, talk about making a big scene out of nothing.

At my school, we had to put up with chairs, blackboard erasers and the like being thrown at us, writing out long-winded 16/17th century legal documents as a punishment, being thrown in hedges and so on. They only stopped corporal punishment (i.e. canings and the like) a few years before I joined - some of the teachers still lamented the fact they couldn't ask someone to bend over and give them ten of the best.

Perhaps that's what's lacking in modern schools: proper discipline.

And sex on a bus? Have they no shame? Eww...

There is something about setting boundaries for kids that can be good. And it can be bad also.

I think in the schools there needs to be clear boundaries as to what is accepted and not accepted. That includes dress codes. At home the parent can have what ever standards they want to set.

In my case, I did not own my first pair of jeans till I started working for my own spending money. Though till 18, I did have to live by my Dad's requirement of a "close and high" haircut. He loosened up after I turned 18. I graduated from HS in '76, so I was out of the norm. but I was brought up to "honor thy Mother and Father" and the idea that if I didn't like it I knew where the door was.

Today I see friends of mine allowing their younger kids to stay up till 10PM or later. When I was under the age of 13, bedtime was 8PM (summer or winter). From 13 to 16 I was allowed to stay up till 9PM. From 16 onwards I was to be in bed by 10PM on school nights. I also see the lack of religious training. The parents may go to Church, but they feel it is wrong to "force" the kids to go. "They'll find their own path" is what I hear. Not sure that works.

In the end we need to make sure that the children get the guidance to make the right choices in life.

[ejb190]

Duct tape (or gaffa tape as it's called in the UK) is the most important item in a recording studio, WD40 is invaluable in a workshop, no self-respecting modern man should be without either. :D

Throw in a pocket knife and a pair of pliers and I can fix anything!

[Chip NoVaMac]

Throw in a pocket knife and a pair of pliers and I can fix anything!

I am told that that I am not complete since I don't own a leatherman tool.

Link:

http://www.leatherman.com/

[mischief]

I, like Berkely Breathed's Opus find it hard to resist "finnishing the job" of getting the pants to their "zero-enertia" state...

I also find it funny that these mooks have to pull up their pants to run, walk or damnear anything else except urinate.

It really makes me wonder... What's the motivation? I saw a guy skateboarding along the other day in knee-length cutoffs pulled down so low that there were no secrets... It was all in plain view. I couldn't help wondering... What's the point? Dude wasn't disproportunately endowed, in fact he appeared rather modestly equipped. Perhaps he just likes thinking he'll get some random action if he has that first 3 seconds out of the way (as if any woman can be good to go that fast).

Bah.

[Raid]

I don't know what all the fuss is about, I think I would have went for the staple gun... :) I like that the article mentioned that the kid would feel embarrased wearing duct tape, when he obviously isn't embarrased to have his underwear showing. :rolleyes:

[whooleytoo]

The more things change, the more they remain the same.. A few years back it might have been the goth or punk look..

[Roger1]

I get tired of looking at drooping pants. How hard is it to pull them up?? Wear them low at home where I don't have to look boys constantly walking around grabbing at the front of their pants because they keep falling down (the pants). It's even worse when they lift their shirt to adjust it (or use the hem to clean their glasses) and 6-8 inches of underwear is showing. Yuck!!

[JLS]

We don't have this problem in England, well- at least I haven't ever seen anyones underwear (other than while changing for sports - obviously) through my whole time at school and college.

I could imagine that if a teacher taped some boy up, the story would make front page news on a trash tabloid newspaper, and the person that did the taping would proably have their house burnt down after being branded a paedo. Its very strong issue here in so much as the working class public really go to town like its a witch hunt if there is even a hint of anything involving children.

[bousozoku]

I get tired of looking at drooping pants. How hard is it to pull them up?? Wear them low at home where I don't have to look boys constantly walking around grabbing at the front of their pants because they keep falling down (the pants). It's even worse when they lift their shirt to adjust it (or use the hem to clean their glasses) and 6-8 inches of underwear is showing. Yuck!!

Be glad that they're wearing underwear.

I remember this being a big problem in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It's difficult to believe that it continues. I would think that everyone would tire of it.

[Roger1]

What's really stupid is when the boys are walking around, they have to constantly clutch the front of their pants to keep them from falling down. :rolleyes: I keep waiting for one of them to trip while going up the stairs. I can see it now "boy falls down stairs because pants fall down" :p

[wdlove]

What's really stupid is when the boys are walking around, they have to constantly clutch the front of their pants to keep them from falling down. :rolleyes: I keep waiting for one of them to trip while going up the stairs. I can see it now "boy falls down stairs because pants fall down" :p

I have wondered that myself when I see them walking around in the baggy pants. There should be some minimum standards of dress. It should be for both boys and girls. Clothes should be worn that fits properly.

[Apple Hobo]

I also see the lack of religious training. The parents may go to Church, but they feel it is wrong to "force" the kids to go. "They'll find their own path" is what I hear. Not sure that works.

I strongly disagree with those who think it's impossible to raise good kids without religion. Furthermore, nobody should be forced into religion.

[slooksterPSV]

Apple Hobo, my parents have never force me to go into any religion and I live in Utah. My dad's mormon (and so are his parents) and my mom is Catholic. My sister is Baptist and my brother is Aethiest. As for me, I'm a little bit of different religions. Wicca is the main one though. I think kids should choose on what they believe to feel to know is true.

[wdlove]

I strongly disagree with those who think it's impossible to raise good kids without religion. Furthermore, nobody should be forced into religion.

I just don't think it would be as easy. I do agree that no one should be forced into religion. Choosing a religion must be a personal choice by that person.

[AnewMac]

I always found the fastest way to make something "not cool" was to imitate the behavior. If all the teachers and administrators "sagged" thier pants, I bet that would change the students dressing habits.

My 2 cents ;)

[bousozoku]

I always found the fastest way to make something "not cool" was to imitate the behavior. If all the teachers and administrators "sagged" thier pants, I bet that would change the students dressing habits.

My 2 cents ;)

Exactly, although teachers are usually pretty saggy because of their age anyway.

My 75 y.o. dad found some South Pole shirt that he and my mum liked. I said something like "Are you trying to put the company out of business? No self-respecting h.s. student would wear their stuff after seeing you wear it." :D

[point665]

Back in middle school I got suspended for 1 day because I had baggy pants, they were nice and all in school rules, but new principle didnt feel that way, they didnt hang low below my waist or anything, and they barely covered my shoes, what she got real pissed about was a shirt that said "I see dumb people"... she said it offended her, offended my arse.

[Wyvernspirit]

Back in middle school I got suspended for 1 day because I had baggy pants, they were nice and all in school rules, but new principle didnt feel that way, they didnt hang low below my waist or anything, and they barely covered my shoes, what she got real pissed about was a shirt that said "I see dumb people"... she said it offended her, offended my arse.

I guess she was a "dumb person", if she felt offended by that. :D

[rueyeet]

If the little bastard can't keep his ass from falling out, he doesn't get to go to HS anymore. It's not our problem, or the school's problem, if that happens... Heck yeah. Unfortunately, these are the same kinds of people that will be "shocked and outraged" when their son can't get more than a job at McDonald's because he looks unprofessional, instead of blaming him for not pulling his little gangsta pants up.

And what the heck is a 12-year-old doing wearing his pants like that anyway? Yeesh.

I strongly disagree with those who think it's impossible to raise good kids without religion. Furthermore, nobody should be forced into religion.Parents have the right--and the responsibility, which is a less popular concept these days--to pass on their values to their kids. If you're an aethiest, fine and dandy, you have the right to raise your kids that way.

However, I find that I don't resent my Catholic upbringing (anymore, anyway). Even though that's not what I ended up with, it did give me a very strong sense of the sacred, and the value of faith; and it also educated me on exactly what I was rejecting. I think that's valuable, and if I were going to have children, I would at least want to give them a basis on which to refuse the teachings they were raised with, and the desire to seek another way to express their faith.

The problems occur when parents can't accept that their children are individuals in their own right, not little replicas who will do everything just like mommy and daddy. Those are the people that freak out when their kids make a choice that's different from theirs. In fact those usually seem to be the people objecting when ANYONE makes choices different from theirs.

But it does seem to me that the only ones it matters to are those whose parents made it important in the first place, and y'know what? That goes for everything, not just religion.

[Roger1]

I always found the fastest way to make something "not cool" was to imitate the behavior. If all the teachers and administrators "sagged" thier pants, I bet that would change the students dressing habits.

My 2 cents ;)


Where's all the plumbers??? Line 'em up and let them parade around with their crack showing! Then these brats will see what they look like. Heck, my pants droop (genetics, not choice) I'll walk around with 'em :p

[Koodauw]

Personally, I don't think that many high school age children have the mental capacity to understand that how the dress can have an enormous impact on their attitude and ability to perform in school. You dress like crap, you start to feel like crap, you start doing crappy work.

But does it? Last time I checked the level of my pants never effected my IQ, how hard I tried in class. etc. If this is the biggest issue the principal has to deal... Then he/she is a bad principal.

Whats that saying... " the clothes don't make the man..."

This is rediculous. If I was his father, I would outraged too.

[bousozoku]

But does it? Last time I checked the level of my pants never effected my IQ, how hard I tried in class. etc. If this is the biggest issue the principal has to deal... Then he/she is a bad principal.

Whats that saying... " the clothes don't make the man..."

This is rediculous. If I was his father, I would outraged too.

Apparently, it has affected your use of English, though. ;)

Clothes shouldn't be a problem, but it's so typical that people judge other people by their clothes, especially in school. That's why uniforms are necessary many times.

You may be someone who doesn't care about what other people think about you, but many people do, even when they say they don't. Otherwise, we wouldn't have a t.v. full of fake pretty people.

[Roger1]

But does it? Last time I checked the level of my pants never effected my IQ, how hard I tried in class. etc. If this is the biggest issue the principal has to deal... Then he/she is a bad principal.

Whats that saying... " the clothes don't make the man..."

This is rediculous. If I was his father, I would outraged too.

The level of your pants may not affect your I.Q., but some of us don't want to look at your undies hanging out. :rolleyes: Yes, I know I can "look away" but when surrounded by hundreds of boys wearing them like that, it gets difficult to do.

Edit: Just to let you know, I don't really agree with the punishment either, but if the kid is violating the rules, some punishment is necessary.

[AnewMac]

Why sag? I never understood or understand it now. To me I would get irritated pulling my pants up every step. I challenge one person to give me at least one legitimate reason to sag thier pants. All I can come up with is it provides an ability to conceal small weapons and drugs more efficiently. I just dont know about these dadgum kids! Take Care!

[Koodauw]

The level of your pants may not affect your I.Q., but some of us don't want to look at your undies hanging out. :rolleyes: .

Whats wrong with MA DRAWERS?
;)

And. I dont like to see people wearing tight high water pants. whats your point.