Some rumors confirmed [Archive]

greg godwin

Jan 2, 2002, 06:08 AM

I have news from an insider at Apple re: MacWorld

- The new release will not be the G5 (this wont appear until 2nd half 2002, and will appear in a new design of PowerMacs)

- The iMac is being upgraded significantly. Flat panel yes, totally new design. SuperDrive will be an option. DVD-R will also be an option. Major difference is a wireless system (wireless LCD monitor). All will be G4's with a 1.0 GHz system topping the line (1.5 GHz later). G3 is being phased out in 2002, with new iBook (G4) and PowerBook (G5) in 2003.

- iCam, in development with Sony. Bluetooth digital camera.

Falleron

Jan 2, 2002, 06:27 AM

I dont think this is right! The G3 is the only chip apple purchases off IBM, the new "sahara" chip will be used in some product lines! It was announced and will be available up to 1Ghz so I can definatly see apple using this chip.

greg godwin

Jan 2, 2002, 07:38 AM

From what i've been told, Sahara will only be used for iBook in 2002. It will be the final G3 release, designed for mobile use.

The new iMacs will be using G4's from a new Motorola line. G5 isn't yet ready, but should be seen by the end of the year and should debut with speeds over 1 GHz on the newest Power Mac line.

My source is reasonable, although not top level so the details are a bit sketchy and based around an Apple product timeline that could change.

greg godwin

Jan 2, 2002, 07:48 AM

Just a correction which was picked up re: my original posting. The Wireless system will relate only to keyboard and mouse and not the LCD monitor. Like the old iMac this new model will be an intergrated system (although will appear different). There is a wireless LCD line on the way soon though.

Also "iMac" will be gone as a name.

agreenster

Jan 2, 2002, 07:50 AM

Cool. That all sounds very reasonable. I just dont like the camera idea. The new G5's not appearing until next half 2002 seems right on track, and G4's in the iMac sounds like a good move to me. Then, Apple will be in good shape when their low ends will be G4's, and their high ends G5's. Overall though, I think MWSF will be good because of the new iMacs, but the real party will be in New York (or wherever) when the G5's come out.

davester

Jan 2, 2002, 08:00 AM

Greg, your report is definately credible and ties in with prototypes that a friend of mine saw in Norway earlier this year. Good to see some believable facts coming through

OSUbuckeyefan

Jan 2, 2002, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by greg godwin
I have news from an insider at Apple re: MacWorld

- The new release will not be the G5 (this wont appear until 2nd half 2002, and will appear in a new design of PowerMacs)

- The iMac is being upgraded significantly. Flat panel yes, totally new design. SuperDrive will be an option. DVD-R will also be an option. Major difference is a wireless system (wireless LCD monitor). All will be G4's with a 1.0 GHz system topping the line (1.5 GHz later). G3 is being phased out in 2002, with new iBook (G4) and PowerBook (G5) in 2003.

- iCam, in development with Sony. Bluetooth digital camera.

Interesting info, but seems quite conservative in light of all the hype apple is dishing out :)

agreenster

Jan 2, 2002, 08:26 AM

I think that's what makes it more believeable.

Falleron

Jan 2, 2002, 08:30 AM

I dont have any particular information but I think that the new iMac will not use the G4 (especially if the G5 is not ready to ship)! Both the consumer + pro lines would have a much similar speed therefore, no reason really to buy a powermac(apart from display size)!

greg godwin

Jan 2, 2002, 08:38 AM

Interesting info, but seems quite conservative in light of all the hype apple is dishing out :)

Thats Marketing vs. reality however... this new system is very impressive, and will essentially be as big a launch as the iMac if not bigger, and we know the impact that system has had.

agreenster

Jan 2, 2002, 08:39 AM

Id love to agree with you Falleron, because your logic is right on track. But I fear that if the iMac doesnt move away from the G3 soon, it will just not measure up to anything else out there. (PC or Mac)

Maybe we are really missing something. According to Apple.com, we are WAY behind. They are hyping the **** out of macworld, more than I have EVER seen. Maybe the G5 IS ready, and its just been the best kept secret.

Damn. That would be niiiiiiiice.

Oh, and hey--
Someone was talking about the 'Kate and Leopold' mention of the G5. My fiancee dragged me to it (actually wasnt THAT bad, Apple was EVERY-freakin-WHERE) and she does mention the G5 and 9.6 in the movie. BUT, it was mentioned as a farse, to try to trick somone. I think it was a writers way of being funny, and wishful thinking, just like all of us would do in a similar situation.

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I want to believe

OSUbuckeyefan

Jan 2, 2002, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by greg godwin
Interesting info, but seems quite conservative in light of all the hype apple is dishing out :)

Thats Marketing vs. reality however... this new system is very impressive, and will essentially be as big a launch as the iMac if not bigger, and we know the impact that system has had.

True - it's just that the LCD iMac has essentially been a "given" for quite some time on the rumor sites. Everyone is already expecting it. It seems strange that that would be the only "major" announcement considering the extraordinary hype...oh well, we shall find out soon enough!

eyelikeart

Jan 2, 2002, 08:51 AM

I don't know if I go for the iMac losing it's name...

what's it going to be called?!

greg godwin

Jan 2, 2002, 08:54 AM

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True - it's just that the LCD iMac has essentially been a "given" for quite some time on the rumor sites. Everyone is already expecting it. It seems strange that that would be the only "major" announcement considering the extraordinary hype...oh well, we shall find out soon enough!

There could be something else really heavily hidden from us... I don't think it concerns hardware per-se, and if it does then its with co-operation from another major company. The Apple/Sony thing with this iCam could be a hint at something bigger prehaps. All I can say is what relates to the new Apple processor/PC line...

the Apple site does hint at something beyond the rumors though, so next monday could be very interesting!

OSUbuckeyefan

Jan 2, 2002, 08:57 AM

Greg - is iCam a reference to a still camera or digital video cam?

greg godwin

Jan 2, 2002, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by OSUbuckeyefan
Greg - is iCam a reference to a still camera or digital video cam?

Digital still camera. I have no other information on this yet and we might not see it on Monday either... Totally wireless and in conjunction with Sony is all I know

gandalf55

Jan 2, 2002, 09:06 AM

Everyone knows that with OSX you need a firewire camera - which can be obtained but aren't really mainstream...

a visit to any Apple Store will prove this: try to find a firewire webcam & you'll come up empty. I tried this past weekend. i had to order one online (which comes with OSX drivers).

this iCam could be a firewire webcam - or perhaps a gigawire webcam? its something i think would be cool - esp in the advent of broadband and video conferencing, etc.

Its a major piece thats missing from OSX usage. This would fill that hole (firewire webcam)

MacManiac1224

Jan 2, 2002, 09:40 AM

I think maybe the new "thing" might be video-conferencing, in which you use an Apple branded camera. Also an iMac, maybe a new digital device, and possibly a G5. But then again, who knows? But I am hoping and praying for a G5. Let's see.

samy85114

Jan 2, 2002, 11:08 AM

well, if G5 won't be release... this keynote looks to me not such big as they say! Did you think about that, the one from apple that you spoke with... he probably received the order to lie about what he'S gonna reveal... that could be possible isn't it.

greg godwin

Jan 2, 2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by samy85114
well, if G5 won't be release... this keynote looks to me not such big as they say! Did you think about that, the one from apple that you spoke with... he probably received the order to lie about what he'S gonna reveal... that could be possible isn't it.

I know this is not the case, however my source works on only one line of development for the company. It is quite possible that Apple are announcing something else quite large. What I have released is based on upcoming systems and processor bases.

I know G5 isn't yet ready for an appearance this half. The architecture on this chip is quite different to the G4 line, thats for sure and there are issues with its operating stability under the current OS.

eyelikeart

Jan 2, 2002, 11:46 AM

I don't think Apple would shoot themselves in the feet at this point...not after they are creating their own hype around MacWorld San Francisco...

They may have one of the worst track records in business history, but if they were that irresponsible, they wouldn't be in business still! :p

Danny Caccavo

Jan 2, 2002, 11:58 AM

Here's hoping that a LCD display for the imac (or whatever) won't jump the price up. That's the LAST thing Apple needs....

Mausabiest

Jan 2, 2002, 12:43 PM

The rumors are piling up but I "think realistic". I don´t konw if we´re gonna see G5s in SF. If half of the rumors posted here would come true, even this would be a success. Even here in the old world Germany we´re really looking forward to Jan. 7th 6pm. I will watch it, allthough the lines will be couded.

Hoping for the best

GeeYouEye

Jan 2, 2002, 01:00 PM

This iCam sounds interesting. Though more likely it will either be FireWire, GigaWire, or a scaled down AirPort. It will not be Bluetooth, though, because Bluetooth interferes with just about any wireless transmission except its own and including Airport. Long live the QuickTake!!! Also on a side note, here's an idea: What if Apple is breaking back into ALL the areas it once had and more: Printers, PDAs (though now it would probably be PDA/Cell Phones, PC compatible monitors with only ONE adaptor (as opposed to the three it takes to make an ADC monitor PC compatible), digital cameras, digital video cameras, etc. probably in conjunction with Sony for the video cameras. Last but not least... An Apple-branded MP3/CD player. That's what I think will happen. Wouldn't it be great for Apple if suddenly all the digital lifestyle devices surrounding the iBook picture were made or branded by Apple. I mean the AirPort Base Station and iPod are, but think if everything else was too. Also, I think Apple will move towards 'unwiring' computers and peripherals. Just think "Presenting the new Apple Color Laser Writer 3. FireWire not included" or "Say hello to iCam. Wires not included" Now THAT would be cool.

wn3_z

Jan 2, 2002, 02:48 PM

iCam sounds so cheap... like some Barbie doll accessories..

gandalf55

Jan 2, 2002, 02:54 PM

iCam is a rumor remember ;)

but when I read iPod, i thought that sounded a bit cheesy. I like the monikor now however. I could live with iCam.

Perhaps it will be:

3 megapixel Firewire Webcam. 30fps @ 640x480. Capable of taking digital stills and/or digital video = for use with iMovie3. Onboard 10gig drive. 15 hour battery life. For $599.

F/reW/re

Jan 2, 2002, 03:33 PM

Why get ready to be blown away if there`s no G5?
The G3 have been here 4 far to looong. Who cares about a crappy G3 iMac when ure gonna use OSX. Thats just stupid!
Woow, G4 1.5 GHz :( Who cares.... I want G5 now !

No G5, nothing to be happy about!

samy85114

Jan 2, 2002, 04:09 PM

youre absolutely right Firewire, When you hear
" to be blown away" you already think about the
G5, well... new iMac could be great too... but it
doesn't mean that much to me if they release it
or not, it just could be better! However, if the G5 isn,t there !!! How disaspointed i,m gonna be !!!

Purdue CS

Jan 2, 2002, 04:19 PM

Too much wireless hype. I like it.

but something doesnt add up to me. You see, if appl plans to introduce this "iCam" with BlueTooth, and then GigaWire, with already exhisting Aiport, isnt that a supreme waste of wireless ? i mean, its making to many connection types (though wireless and invisible) and protocols. 3 wireless protocols on one machine ?

doesnt add up.

And id love it if apple dropped iMac name, interesting to see waht would come up...

as we all know, the letter 'i' has been thoroughly lynched, beaten and raped since the introduction of the original iMac.

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5 days...

macboy

Jan 2, 2002, 04:32 PM

If these are right... i am disapointed already! All this hype and this is it! I'll be some ticked at Apple if this is what happens... Here comes a letter to Apple about their Marketing if this happens... They are so stupid... the need to pay more attention to what the "buyers" want....

G5 PowerMacs & PowerBooks
G4 iMacs & iBooks
iPad, iPod, handheld video viewer, etc.

samy85114

Jan 2, 2002, 04:39 PM

i didn't know about gigawire, is it really a wireless protocol? I was always thinking that was like the last one, that it was communicating throught wire, not by throught the air! However if it,S true, well it,S a pretty good news, no more wire !!

and about speculation, I wonder if Apple could release a wireless Mouse and Keyboard. That'S a good idea... isn't it!!!

I expect that in the next 5 years, wire gonna disapear!
Power cable still the only one who will piss us off! :)

samy85114

Jan 2, 2002, 04:46 PM

hey Gandalf, you seem to be a Lord of the rings' lover.!!!
What a wonderful movie.. !!! Actually, the best movie I ever seen! Really!

Falleron

Jan 2, 2002, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by samy85114
hey Gandalf, you seem to be a Lord of the rings' lover.!!!
What a wonderful movie.. !!! Actually, the best movie I ever seen! Really!

If you look really carefully you can see the odd car in the movie!!! Personally, I missed it but they are there!

mischief

Jan 2, 2002, 06:16 PM

This particular rumor spread around the "insider" community here in Silicon Valley almost exactly a year ago. The Wireless peripherals are rumoured to use a hybrid Airport/Firewire technology. Imagine all your stuff running on short-range Airport. The wireless LCD would need a little more work to not need a charging cradle though....................

nahaliel

Jan 2, 2002, 07:10 PM

According to something I read, G5 isn't even listed as its goign to be used in computers.. perhaps AMD or IBM has come up with something and Motorolla is finally being dropped? That would be bigger than anything I've heard discussed on here... pretend the new chip is called X, PowerMac and Powerbook featuring the X processor running at 2ish Ghz. and iBook and iMac running 1Ghz ish G4s...

the 1ghz for X processor maybe a stretch, but with all the hype they best pull something out of their ass.

SPG

Jan 2, 2002, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by nahaliel
According to something I read, G5 isn't even listed as its goign to be used in computers.. perhaps AMD or IBM has come up with something and Motorolla is finally being dropped? That would be bigger than anything I've heard discussed on here... pretend the new chip is called X, PowerMac and Powerbook featuring the X processor running at 2ish Ghz. and iBook and iMac running 1Ghz ish G4s...

the 1ghz for X processor maybe a stretch, but with all the hype they best pull something out of their ass.

Didn't Motorola just announce a big round of layoffs? hmmmmm.....

gandalf55

Jan 2, 2002, 07:44 PM

i'd be a bit happier if they didn't pull something out of their ass ;)

SPG

Jan 2, 2002, 07:49 PM

There have been many mentions of a Sony Apple alliance, and while I personally believe this to be just a firewire development thing, the other possibilities are interesting. Consider that Sony likes to see itself much as Apple does, a provider of premium lifestyle equipment. However Sony has been forced more and more to compete against other home electronics on a price/feature basis. An Apple alliance would allow more of the premium stuff and increase the status with Ive's design team over at Apple making it hipper than Sony's quasi-futuristic jetsons on crack designs. Apple/Sony walkmans, cameras, aibo (robot dog), monitors, DVD, etc. could provide many interesting developments outside of the computer market.

SPG

Jan 2, 2002, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by gandalf55
i'd be a bit happier if they didn't pull something out of their ass ;)
iPoop?

kiwi_the_iwik

Jan 2, 2002, 07:51 PM

OK - reading another thread mentioning vast quantities of LCD screens being stocked up in Asia, how about THIS for a radical idea?

An A4-sized PDA with handwriting recognition (aka. Newton), running a cut-down version of OSX.

Other ideas for the show -

Firewire 2 as standard in Power Macs (G5 spec., perhaps?)
LCD iMacs - still running G3's, but over the GHz mark
OSX for Intel machines, for TRUE compatibility and stability.

Well, that's my hunch. Personally, I just wish they brought back the Cube...

samy85114

Jan 2, 2002, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Falleron
Originally posted by samy85114
hey Gandalf, you seem to be a Lord of the rings' lover.!!!
What a wonderful movie.. !!! Actually, the best movie I ever seen! Really!

If you look really carefully you can see the odd car in the movie!!! Personally, I missed it but they are there!

That,S interessting... do you know when? which scene? and where it,s possible to see it!

nigel_t

Jan 2, 2002, 08:50 PM

If there is no G5 then apple better shut up an dstop putting that stuff on their website because it can only hurt them. I think the most anticipated thing right now is the G5, not a new imac, not iphoto, not new lcd screens, not even icam, people want power, which is what the G5 has and they want it now. They would have to at least announce it at MWSF. I think even their stock prices depend on it. Yes wirless screens will be a hot commodity, but alot of folks out there, especially pro video folks like myself want more power. And I am "not going to buy a winblows machine for me to reboot every 20 minutes".
I think the G5 chip will put apple in a very good position, even bigger gun like SGI have shown interest in it. I think apple should thry to buy SGI or just buy alot of shares in SGI so that they share info then my friends you will see GFX performance.

Nigel out

diamondschwin

Jan 2, 2002, 10:34 PM

Is it just me or has everyone forgotten that IBM was developing a chip 1 year ago based on PowerPC G4 architecture that was rated at 100ghz and were expecting to roll one out in a year! WELL GUESS WHAT! Its a year later and they were saying it was for home computers NOT SCIENTIFIC SUPERCOMPUTERS!

IF APPLE PULLED THAT OUT OF THEIR BUTT THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!
And more than that they were talking about 200ghz developed on a "unkown" platform but had to do with macintosh. G5 ANYONE?!
THAT WOULD BE AN AMAZING ANNOUNCEMENT!

gandalf55

Jan 2, 2002, 11:13 PM

what good would 100Ghz be if your system bus couldn't deal?

samy85114

Jan 3, 2002, 01:01 AM

iWalk...... it doesn't look a fake !!! if it is, cheers to the 3D programmer, we didn't even see something like this in Toys story or other kind of computer-made movie. I really think that'S a real one,

greg godwin

Jan 3, 2002, 03:33 AM

Just a small note continuing from yesterday's thread. The iWalk shown, I firmly believe is a fake. Those I know in Apple product dev, have made no mention of this device whatsoever.

Sorry people.

mac15

Jan 3, 2002, 04:09 AM

Hope its not true about the g5 i want one now

greg godwin

Jan 3, 2002, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by mac15
Hope its not true about the g5 i want one now

As I said earlier, it should be out 2nd half 2002... but its not the big announcement at MacWorldSF believe it or not.

Ensign Paris

Jan 3, 2002, 05:42 AM

If they make the iMac 1ghz, what will happen to the G4, will that go 1ghz as well? I would have to say that the business mac would have to be atleast 200mhz above the home product. Therefore, will be see 1.2ghz G4s?

greg godwin

Jan 3, 2002, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Ensign Paris
If they make the iMac 1ghz, what will happen to the G4, will that go 1ghz as well? I would have to say that the business mac would have to be atleast 200mhz above the home product. Therefore, will be see 1.2ghz G4s?

The new iMac (which will be rebranded) will debut with a G4 1 GHz chip at max spec. The G4 PowerMac will be bumped up to this spec too, but the PowerMac is really waiting for the G5 chip, so it appears it maybe neglected slightly for a little while until the G5 is in production. I suspect Apple will bump up other specs on the G4 PowerMac, and may discount the dual-processor, to appease the mainly professional market that the PowerMac caters for.

The PowerMac is still a significantly different machine from the iMac/?Mac, although the processor change in the iMac/?Mac line will bring them closer together, for a short time at least.

Falleron

Jan 3, 2002, 08:50 AM

The only problem with adding a G4 into an imac is that if they start near the 1GHz barrier then there will not be much room for future upgrades (at least using the G4)

greg godwin

Jan 3, 2002, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Falleron
The only problem with adding a G4 into an imac is that if they start near the 1GHz barrier then there will not be much room for future upgrades (at least using the G4)

G4 will continue to be upgraded, there are plans for speeds up to 1.5GHz at the very least. The G3 will no longer be in production.

tmac

Jan 3, 2002, 09:51 AM

I have information from a reliable source that the big new apple invention will be.........

a SCOOTER that runs on hype (and OS X).

F/reW/re

Jan 3, 2002, 10:21 AM

I tought the suprise was gonna be a new remotecontrol that can control my TV + computer ! ! That would be AMAZING!! That would really BLOW me away ! ;)

mnkeybsness

Jan 3, 2002, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by diamondschwin
Is it just me or has everyone forgotten that IBM was developing a chip 1 year ago based on PowerPC G4 architecture that was rated at 100ghz and were expecting to roll one out in a year! WELL GUESS WHAT! Its a year later and they were saying it was for home computers NOT SCIENTIFIC SUPERCOMPUTERS!

IF APPLE PULLED THAT OUT OF THEIR BUTT THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!
And more than that they were talking about 200ghz developed on a "unkown" platform but had to do with macintosh. G5 ANYONE?!
THAT WOULD BE AN AMAZING ANNOUNCEMENT!

except that you have to remember all the other things that factor into the speed of the chip-especially bus speed. and by the way, it was motorola, and they were developing a 60-70 gig chip, and it was about 9 months ago

madamimadam

Jan 3, 2002, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
I don't know if I go for the iMac losing it's name...

what's it going to be called?!

I would have to say "think beyond the square with a curved behind you live in". I would see it, as my guess, of course, that the CRT based iMac would remain an iMac but the design behind something as major as an LCD version and the aging iMac name would give them good oportunity to rename according to what the new design will be like. That iPad is a great example of changing name to fit design.

madamimadam

Jan 3, 2002, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by mnkeybsness
except that you have to remember all the other things that factor into the speed of the chip-especially bus speed. and by the way, it was motorola, and they were developing a 60-70 gig chip, and it was about 9 months ago

That and MONEY.... it shorely would not be in their best interest to release as they produced or they would not be milking the market. Also, with us heading towards the fastest processors able to be made very fast they need to make sure they keep releases at a rate so that something like Quantum computing can move into a stable phase and be ready for release after the smallest silicon processor is produced.

AJW

Jan 3, 2002, 07:11 PM

Maybe something like this (from Logitech)...

http://www.compusa.com/product_images/images/full/75/278775_f.gif

It's a web cam that can be removed from its base to be used as a digital still and/or video camera. I believe Intel used to make a similar product. I think Apple could be successful with a product like this if they included the following enhancements:

FireWire/Gigawire
AirPort/BlueTooth
2 or 3 MP CCD
iConference software
iPhoto software
Ability to store images on an iPod
Apple design sense
Under $550

Andrew

rEd Eye

Jan 3, 2002, 08:07 PM

Any chance that greg godwin is undercover from Apple,here to throw off the scent of what is actually going to be announced?
If Apple want's my hard earned money for their already very overpriced products,they better give me the G5 or nothing,cause I won't buy it!
At the very least,the "new"G4 better top out at 1.5ghz/ 266mhz frontside bus/DDR Ram,because anything less is OBSELETE!!!
I use my computer exclusivly for audio production,and I can and will use every bit of mhz/bus speed that I can get my hands on.I am a pro user who needs high end pro products,so please don't even bother trying to sell me bells and whistles!!! eg.(i********)

madamimadam

Jan 3, 2002, 08:14 PM

i_should_register

Jan 3, 2002, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by rEd Eye
Any chance that greg godwin is undercover from Apple,here to throw off the scent of what is actually going to be announced?
If Apple want's my hard earned money for their already very overpriced products,they better give me the G5 or nothing,cause I won't buy it!
At the very least,the "new"G4 better top out at 1.5ghz/ 266mhz frontside bus/DDR Ram,because anything less is OBSELETE!!!
I use my computer exclusivly for audio production,and I can and will use every bit of mhz/bus speed that I can get my hands on.I am a pro user who needs high end pro products,so please don't even bother trying to sell me bells and whistles!!! eg.(i********)

Hey genius, you sound like a Dodge Viper owner complaining that your V10 doesn't go up to 9,000 RPM like the S2000's engine does. MHz is like RPM, it just measure how many cycles per second you have, not how much work you get from each cycle. A better (but still imperfect) measure of real power is IPC*Hz (Instructions Per Cycle * Cycles Per Second). This is still misleading because one CISC instruction takes multiple RISC instructions to complete. The RISC optimizations and higher IPC make the RISC machine faster in the end. The other problem with IPC is that it assumes a full pipeline, so an even better measure would be to get an average IPC when running multiple apps and multiply that by the clock rate. It would give you a benchmark that you could compare to other machines with the same (maybe similar) architectures, but it would still not give you much as far as cross-architecture comparisons go. At least it's better than MHz, though.

Reccomended reading: Structured Computer Organization, 4th Edition (http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/tanenbaum2/)
by Andrew S. Tanenbaum

Maybe if you bother to learn about HOW computers work you (and others like you) will stop filling these threads with so much ********.

amichalo

Jan 3, 2002, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by rEd Eye
At the very least,the "new"G4 better top out at 1.5ghz/ 266mhz frontside bus/DDR Ram,because anything less is OBSELETE!!!

Yeah, anything less than a 1.5GHz chip is OBSELETE - including the entire Apple product line and nearly ever PC being used today.

greg godwin

Jan 4, 2002, 05:43 AM

Vikram

Jan 4, 2002, 05:54 AM

Here is why Steve Jobs moved his keynote and what he is going to announce. Too late, Bill. Too late!

DURING HIS KEYNOTE at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week, Microsoft's Bill Gates will demonstrate the AirPanel 150, a flat-panel wireless monitor from Viewsonic that allows users to carry it from room to room.

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/01/03/020103hnairpanel.xml

j763

Jan 4, 2002, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Vikram
Here is why Steve Jobs moved his keynote and what he is going to announce. Too late, Bill. Too late!

DURING HIS KEYNOTE at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week, Microsoft's Bill Gates will demonstrate the AirPanel 150, a flat-panel wireless monitor from Viewsonic that allows users to carry it from room to room.

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/01/03/020103hnairpanel.xml

LoL, i think that steve will *somehow* out-do bill... go steve - we don't want to hear anything about the CES, we want to hear about MWSF. make it huge!

Vikram

Jan 4, 2002, 08:46 AM

Here is what I think will be revealed on January 7th.

1 Screens: 10 -17 - 19 - 22 - 24. Regular and Touch Sensitive. Firewire, USB, Gigawire and Airport bulit-in. SuperDrive.

2 iPod size modules will plug into these screens. CPU Modules will come with G4/G5 and dual processors, with 512 - 2 GB memory and 10 - 40 GB HD.

Much like Chinese cooking, you can mix and match.

I can also take only myCPU module (in my pocket) and use any screen to show and/or do my work. As example, between my home and my studio I can commute with only the CPU. Also by carrying a 10" screen and my CPU plugged in I have a complete solution in my pocket.

Over to you, Steve.

rEd Eye

Jan 4, 2002, 09:08 PM

hehe........sure looks like I ruffled some feathers around here!
I didn't mean to rub anyones fur the wrong way,just saying what was on my mind......?
Feel free to assume that I'm an idiot......................?
Uh,yeah,you already did!!

evildead

Jan 4, 2002, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen
Originally posted by mnkeybsness
except that you have to remember all the other things that factor into the speed of the chip-especially bus speed. and by the way, it was motorola, and they were developing a 60-70 gig chip, and it was about 9 months ago

That and MONEY.... it shorely would not be in their best interest to release as they produced or they would not be milking the market. Also, with us heading towards the fastest processors able to be made very fast they need to make sure they keep releases at a rate so that something like Quantum computing can move into a stable phase and be ready for release after the smallest silicon processor is produced.

The problem is that the CPU is not the bottle neck in computers now days. The RAM, Bus, DH are fare worse. We are getting closer to fixing the RAM with DDR but ... the DH is sill slow as hell in your average consumer desktop. Onece fibre chanle drives are cheep enuph for consumers to use.. then things will start speeding up a bit. Storrage is geeing cheeper and bigger but not a whole lot faster.