30 Inch Displays Now Shipping

[MacRumors]

Various reader reports have announced that orders for the new 30" Apple Cinema Display (http://www.apple.com/displays/digital.html) and the corresponding required NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL graphics card are now shipping. The displays, announced along with the 20" & 23" counterparts in June (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jun/28displays.html), have been slow out of the gate due to production problems from NVidia in providing the required cards.

Also announced today is the new Mac-compliant x800 graphics card (http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/10/14/ati/index.php) from ATI which is only the second card available on the market able to drive the new large-scale displays. One major difference in the two cards is the ATI card occupies only one slot, whereas the NVidia requires two due to its large cooling apparatus. Pricing for the new ATI card has not yet been announced.

[mms]

Awesome. It's been a while, but hopefully the product will be great enough to offset the delays. Also great to hear that there's some choice in terms of the graphics card.

[mkjellman]

does anyone know which is better the ati or nividia? its great that apple finally is going to get these out the door...

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Oh, what I would do to have dual 30"ers

[invaLPsion]

My money is ready for this ATi Video Card.

$599 is way too much to spend, let's see $499, ATi! :)

[BJNY]

The nVidia card can drive two 30" displays. Is this new ATI capable of that, too?

[invaLPsion]

does anyone know which is better the ati or nividia? its great that apple finally is going to get these out the door...

Depends what the X800 card is and what games you are playing. If it's an X800 Pro, the 6800 will be better, if it's an X800XT, it should be about equal for most games, if it's the Platinum Edition, it may outperform the NVidia card only slighty.

The 6800 will perform better in games like: UT2K4, Call of Duty, Doom 3

The X800 (?) will perform better in games like: Halo, WoW, Warcraft 3...

[jackieonasses]

finally!! people are happy again!

[invaLPsion]

The nVidia card can drive two 30" displays. Is this new ATI capable of that, too?

From the forums I read on MacWorld, no. :(

[Freg3000]

Yes, it seems as though you can only ( :rolleyes: ) drive one 30 inch display, as the card has one dual link DVI and one ADC. So it is a good buy for people (read: almost everyone) who doesn't need two 30 inchers or may need to hook up an old ADC Apple monitor. It also will be faster in some respects and possibly cheaper.

:D

[Daveway]

I was going to post this news earlier. I saw Amazon.com was showing an October 15 ship date last night.

Can't wait for the pics to come in!

[JGowan]

I'm very glad that Apple has started shipping them. I had considered getting one, but the cost of the monitor, video card & G5 computer (I've got a Quicksilver G4 now, though I have a G5 at work) was too much money, even though I was going to be able to get $2000 towards the price from a TAP plan at CompUSA.

I finally opted to swap out my 14 month-old 23" display for the new one without paying a cent. It works with my current computer and works without an adapter with my 17" PBook. Also, I didn't have to buy a new expensive video card.

I'm sure, though, that the new 30s will just set a completely new standard. I'm just happy to have my new 23".

[Mr. Anderson]

I'm really looking forward to going to the Apple store and seeing these things in person. I think that dual 23" would be better than a single 30" but its still going to be a nice display.

D

[javabear90]

Yes, it seems as though you can only ( :rolleyes: ) drive one 30 inch display, as the card has one dual link DVI and one ADC. So it is a good buy for people (read: almost everyone) who doesn't need two 30 inchers or may need to hook up an old ADC Apple monitor. It also will be faster in some respects and possibly cheaper.

:D

I don't think many peoople will have two 30" displys... I mean that only cost $6400 + tax + a new PM G5 + Nvidia 6800 ultra.... I think comes out to be ~$10,000...
mmm..... drool

[Phat_Pat]

I don't think many peoople will have two 30" displys... I mean that only cost $6400 + tax + a new PM G5 + Nvidia 6800 ultra.... I think comes out to be ~$10,000...
mmm..... drool

yeah but don't forget that ram and graphics card and oooooh sooo much.....

next thing you know you'll be selling your bmw for your new computer.

[nagromme]

Owners, please post screenshots :D

I'd like to see UT2004 at full native 2560x1600 res, with all details maxed and at least 4x anti-aliasing enabled. Who needs a zoom scope? 16-bot Onslaught at good framerates please :)

[bacon]

There is no DirectX on OSX. I believe the ATI cards are faster for DirectX games, and NVidia is better for OpenGL, and everything on the mac is OpenGL.

Depends what the X800 card is and what games you are playing. If it's an X800 Pro, the 6800 will be better, if it's an X800XT, it should be about equal for most games, if it's the Platinum Edition, it may outperform the NVidia card only slighty.

The 6800 will perform better in games like: UT2K4, Call of Duty, Doom 3

The X800 (?) will perform better in games like: Halo, WoW, Warcraft 3...

[t300]

I saw the combo today at the Digital Life expo in NYC...All I can say is...INCREDIBLE!

My pics:

http://webpages.charter.net/rusty01/g5.JPG

http://webpages.charter.net/rusty01/g51.JPG

[swissmann]

I wish I had enough money to buy one of these. I'm getting sick of my 17 inch piece of trash Dell monitor.

[Dr. Dastardly]

I can't wait to see one of these in perosn. Not that I would ever need or buy a monitor this big... but damn!

[Phat_Pat]

I saw the combo today at the Digital Life expo in NYC...All I can say is...INCREDIBLE!

My pics:

http://webpages.charter.net/rusty01/g51.JPG

the screen next to it. Is that a 20 or a 23?

[absolut_mac]

Also announced today is the new Mac-compliant x800 graphics card (http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/10/14/ati/index.php) from ATI which is only the second card available on the market able to drive the new large-scale displays. One major difference in the two cards is the ATI card occupies only one slot, whereas the NVidia requires two due to its large cooling apparatus. Pricing for the new ATI card has not yet been announced.

ATI rules!!!

I had one nVidia card and then I switched to ATI - I'm never again going to suffer from spending my money with companies that give their customers medicore products and poor support to boot.

ATI, superior cards with superior support :)

[BrianKonarsMac]

The nVidia card can drive two 30" displays. Is this new ATI capable of that, too? NOPE. Boo Ati!!! It has ONE dual-link DVI connection and ONE ADC connection (a nice nod to apple users...after Apple kills the ADC connector...dumb bastards, WE NEED TWO DUAL LINK DVI'S FOR THOSE OVERLY RICH SNOBS AND THEIR DUAL 30 inchers! Cuz hey, I hope to be one of those rich snobs someday :P.

[BrianKonarsMac]

the screen next to it. Is that a 20 or a 23? 23 incher. Looks pathetically tiny doesn't it? I can already feel the superiority complex kicking in inside every 23inch owning mac users head...

Is anyone positive this will be called the X800!? I'm pretty sure ATI wasn't going to use that naming scheme for non PCI-Express cards. It is based on the X800 architechture, but since it doesn't use PCI-Express, it will not go into the X GPU category. For an i.e. look at the 9800mobility. This card IS NOT based on the Radeon 9800 GPU, but rather the X800 core. It is called a 9800M because Laptops don't have PCI-Express yet. This card will either be branded some special 9800, or labeled using something to denote NO PCI-EXPRESS, or the ubiquitous X800 for Mac (aka minus features PC users get).

[frozenstar]

Owners, please post screenshots :D

I'd like to see UT2004 at full native 2560x1600 res, with all details maxed and at least 4x anti-aliasing enabled. Who needs a zoom scope? 16-bot Onslaught at good framerates please :)

I'd bet that both the X800 and the 6800 would choke with those settings. My 9800XT can run a 16-bot Onslaught match at 1680x1050 with good framerates, but that's with no FSAA or AF. The native res on the 30" has more than twice the number of pixels as the native res on my 20". That means the GPU is going to be taxed twice as hard just to maintain usable frame rates. And neither the 6800 nor the X800 is twice as fast as the 9800XT.

I would like to crank up FSAA and AF in my FPS games, and that'll require one of the new cards. But I think I'm gonna wait to see benchmark comparisons before I lay out that kind of cash.

[homerjward]

Is anyone positive this will be called the X800!? I'm pretty sure ATI wasn't going to use that naming scheme for non PCI-Express cards. It is based on the X800 architechture, but since it doesn't use PCI-Express, it will not go into the X GPU category. For an i.e. look at the 9800mobility. This card IS NOT based on the Radeon 9800 GPU, but rather the X800 core. It is called a 9800M because Laptops don't have PCI-Express yet. This card will either be branded some special 9800, or labeled using something to denote NO PCI-EXPRESS, or the ubiquitous X800 for Mac (aka minus features PC users get).
http://ati.com/products/radeonx800/radeonx800series/index.html
apparently that's not true, although that's what ive heard from several places?

[Delenn]

Is anyone positive this will be called the X800!? I'm pretty sure ATI wasn't going to use that naming scheme for non PCI-Express cards. It is based on the X800 architechture, but since it doesn't use PCI-Express, it will not go into the X GPU category. For an i.e. look at the 9800mobility. This card IS NOT based on the Radeon 9800 GPU, but rather the X800 core. It is called a 9800M because Laptops don't have PCI-Express yet. This card will either be branded some special 9800, or labeled using something to denote NO PCI-EXPRESS, or the ubiquitous X800 for Mac (aka minus features PC users get).

Umm, the X800 isn't a PCI-Express video card... I'd know, I've got an X800 Pro in my gaming PC in an 8x AGP slot.

[virividox]

its about time!!!

[dontmatter]

Man, anyone know when these will be in apple stores? Because I've got to see the glory.

[acj]

Are there any professionals here who would use the monitor for something other than gaming? I like how I will be able to view a Canon 1Ds MKII 16 megapixel file at 50% without having to scroll. I can finally check sharpness without having to zoom in! But just barely. . .

And why oh why must they only have dual-link DVI cards as expensive gaming cards? Dual-link DVI is not expensive, new, or hard to implement. But they throw everything on the card and bump their profit margin way up and I have to buy a $600 card when it could have been $200.

[BrianKonarsMac]

Umm, the X800 isn't a PCI-Express video card... I'd know, I've got an X800 Pro in my gaming PC in an 8x AGP slot.actually it was, apparently ATI has broken their naming scheme however (to avoid mass confusion obviously, if people can't understand dual link DVI, this would be a doozy). So ATI broke their plans like Apple breaks their guidelines...its the way things work i suppose.

[BrianKonarsMac]

Are there any professionals here who would use the monitor for something other than gaming? . This monitor was DESIGNED for professionals, not gamers. Sure the card's that push it are top of the line...but only a top of the line card could push that many pixels. Yea they COULD put dual link DVI on a POS, but the monitor draw time would be horrendous at best.

You could buy a Ferrari body and use Ford's basement bin parts and get a cheap working "Ferrari" but why waste your time on the Ferrari body, just to make yourself feel adequate? I hope not.

It's like the Honda's you see that are falling apart, rust everywhere with Racing spoilers and 4 point racing belts and seats, etc. You COULD do it, but why would you want to? I SMELL BURNT RICE!

Moral of the story, if you want a quality solution, use quality parts. If you want to look cool, buy a PC and addiotnal blue led lighting.

[Yvan256]

next thing you know you'll be selling your bmw for your new computer.

Well yeah, but then you'd need to buy another accessory for your iPod...

[isgoed]

benchmarks for the geforce 6800 for mac are already available

http://www.barefeats.com/gef6800.html

[cube]

The shaders are less programmable in the X800

[simie]

With ATI developing this new AGP card for the MAC - can we expect Apple to provide yet another configuration of G5 using this new card.

Its a real pitty that ATI are only putting one DVI connector on the card - They have obviously forgotten that some MAC Professionals may want to use 2 screens.

Unless ATI have developed a spitter cable that provides another DVI port.

[the future]

With ATI developing this new AGP card for the MAC - can we expect Apple to provide yet another configuration of G5 using this new card.

Its a real pitty that ATI are only putting one DVI connector on the card - They have obviously forgotten that some MAC Professionals may want to use 2 screens.

Unless ATI have developed a spitter cable that provides another DVI port.

No, you CAN use 2 screens, just not 2 30" screens. The card has 1 dual-DVI and 1 ADC connector. You can easily extract the DVI signal with a relatively cheap adapter and run, for example, a 30" plus a 23" Cinema Display.

[nguyenhm16]

No, you CAN use 2 screens, just not 2 30" screens. The card has 1 dual-DVI and 1 ADC connector. You can easily extract the DVI signal with a relatively cheap adapter and run, for example, a 30" plus a 23" Cinema Display.

I wonder if the DVI portion of the ADC connector is also dual-link. On single link DVI, the pins are used for an analog signal, and I know you can extract that from the ADC connector, so in theory nothing would prevent you from making a n ADC connector with dual link DVI.

[ProjektJ]

23 incher. Looks pathetically tiny doesn't it? I can already feel the superiority complex kicking in inside every 23inch owning mac users head...

Is anyone positive this will be called the X800!? I'm pretty sure ATI wasn't going to use that naming scheme for non PCI-Express cards. It is based on the X800 architechture, but since it doesn't use PCI-Express, it will not go into the X GPU category. For an i.e. look at the 9800mobility. This card IS NOT based on the Radeon 9800 GPU, but rather the X800 core. It is called a 9800M because Laptops don't have PCI-Express yet. This card will either be branded some special 9800, or labeled using something to denote NO PCI-EXPRESS, or the ubiquitous X800 for Mac (aka minus features PC users get).
what are you talking about? The x800 cards have been out on AGP since launch

[Morgo]

Does anyone know if the PC version of the X800 Pro will drive one of these 30 inch displays?

[Chaszmyr]

Does anyone know if the PC version of the X800 Pro will drive one of these 30 inch displays?

It will not. There are some high end cards (Quadros and FireGLs) for PC that have dual-link connections, but neither the PC X800 or 6800 are dual-link.

[TylerL]

I had to do some tech support a week ago for this lady who couldn't understand why her old 17" Studio Display couldn't plug in to the back of her brand new G5.

After 5 minutes of explaining ADC and DVI and the location on the back of her tower, I realized what card she had.

...and how she was wasting it. :(

[Sabbath]

I'm surprised to see ATI and nvidia going head to head with these mac cards, surely they can't be making much from them despite the huge price tags. It will be interesting to see which comes out on top. The nvidia card seems edge in pure open GL power, which is obviously important to us mac users, but can they produce decent mac drivers. Where as the ATI card is smaller uses a lot less power (reasonable assumption based on the PC cards I believe) and ATI put out some nice drivers and tweaking utilities for us.

Additionally I assume the ATI card isn't using a molex connector so they must be getting alot of power from the motherboard via the pro part of the agp pro slot. We used to think that part supplied the power for adc, but now it seems able to power a 23" ADC monitor and at the same time a top of the line ATI card (which must be working pretty hard to push the pixels of a 30" and 23" monitors simultaneously).

[Vagabond]

I received my 30" yesterday (Oct. 14). The university where I work ordered it at the beginning of September. Unfortunately, I do not have my G5, so it's just a really impressive box at the moment.

[AidenShaw]

Additionally I assume the ATI card isn't using a molex connector so they must be getting alot of power from the motherboard via the pro part of the agp pro slot. We used to think that part supplied the power for adc,

ADC runs at 26volts or so (see http://www.apple.com/lae/displays/adapter/).

A molex connector for a disk drive supplies 5 and 12 volts.

AGP Pro provides extra 12v and 3.3v power. (http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=25)

The stock Apple ADC cards get their power from a non-standard connector beside the AGP connector (look at the small connector on the right of the big AGP slot in this photo of the ADC video card http://www.mikeshardware.com/apple/PowerMacG4/ag4017_lg.jpg).

If the ATI card has an ADC connector, it probably has an extra set of fingers to plug into the non-standard extra connector on the Apple motherboard.

[Sabbath]

ADC runs at 26volts or so (see http://www.apple.com/lae/displays/adapter/).

A molex connector for a disk drive supplies 5 and 12 volts.

AGP Pro provides extra 12v and 3.3v power. (http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=25)

The stock Apple ADC cards get their power from a non-standard connector beside the AGP connector (look at the small connector on the right of the big AGP slot in this photo of the ADC video card http://www.mikeshardware.com/apple/PowerMacG4/ag4017_lg.jpg).

If the ATI card has an ADC connector, it probably has an extra set of fingers to plug into the non-standard extra connector on the Apple motherboard.


Sorry I thought the pro part of AGP pro connector (ie the bit not there on a standard AGP connector) supplied the power for the ADC connection. If I understand you correct there is actually an additional connector that supplies this power and the AGP pro merely supplies the cards power.

Also I'm interested in the power more than the voltage, as the voltage can be transformed as required, I thought the GeForce 6800 was so long because of the need to convert the power which would normally be used to power ADC to power the card, I may be horribly wrong of course. Thanks for the info, unfortunately I don't have time to look it up for myself right now.

[Windowlicker]

Good news! I can't wait till we get one of those connected to our demo 2x2.5 at work! :D

[ASP272]

Schweeeeet! :D Let's just hope the ATi card performs like the Nvidia. We'll have to see benchmarks.

[30Inches]

In love with this thing!!!! About time Apple!!!


http://www.geocities.com/hangelikas/30.72.jpg

[the future]

Wow... just wow.

Now excuse me, I gotta go rob a bank. :D

[Bear]

NOPE. Boo Ati!!! It has ONE dual-link DVI connection and ONE ADC connection (a nice nod to apple users...after Apple kills the ADC connector...dumb bastards, WE NEED TWO DUAL LINK DVI'S FOR THOSE OVERLY RICH SNOBS AND THEIR DUAL 30 inchers! Cuz hey, I hope to be one of those rich snobs someday :P.Actually an ADC to DVI adapter is not that expensive. Also, one of the main benefits of the ATI card is that it takes one slot, not 2. A second (mentioned by others) is those who already have an ADC connector on their display. Amd finally, at the very least, it's some competition, and competition tends to improve products.

[AidenShaw]

Also I'm interested in the power more than the voltage, as the voltage can be transformed as required, I thought the GeForce 6800 was so long because of the need to convert the power which would normally be used to power ADC to power the card,...

I said "probably" because I assumed that it would make more sense to use the power slot provided by the motherboard - rather than use a disk drive power connector and convert the 12v to 26v (DC to DC up-convertors are hot, cost money, and waste power).

If you look at the Radeon 9800 Pro Mac with the ADC connector, you can see that it doesn't have a molex connector and that it does have the extra fingers to connect to the non-standard Apple motherboard connectors.

http://www.ati.com/designpartners/media/images/R9800PROMacSeBoardShot_lrg.jpg

The Radeon 9800 Pro Mac without the ADC connector doesn't have the extra fingers, and it does have the molex connector (white block at the top right). (It also looks like the AGP connector itself is significantly wider on the ADC card)

http://www.ati.com/designpartners/media/images/R9800PRO_BOARD_SIL_lg.jpg

Just guessing about the X800 of course, but ATI's history is to use the Apple motherboard connector for ADC equipped cards.

[AidenShaw]

In love with this thing!!!! About time Apple!!!

I don't know if you're over 2.3 metres tall, but that display looks awfully high.

Normal ergonomic recommendations are to have the top of the display at or slightly above eye level. (To wit see http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/Ergonomics/compergo.htm#MONITOR or http://www.ergonomics.com.au/howtosit.htm, or yahoo! for "ergonomic computer screen height")

Let us know if you start having neck and back pains ;)

[sinisterdesign]

The nVidia card can drive two 30" displays. Is this new ATI capable of that, too?

can your WALLET do that??!? that would be some serious bank. :cool:

[g4cubed]

I think ATI was smart in what they did. Sure you can only connect one 30" monitor. But not a lot of people can afford one not alone two. It also helps those that only want one 30"er by not taking up two slots.

[30Inches]

Haha....no, I'm not that tall. The picture may look a bit deceiving, the desk is rather short. Adjusting the angle of the display is so easy and smooth to do. Here is another pic....

http://www.geocities.com/hangelikas/30.2.jpg

I don't know if you're over 2.3 metres tall, but that display looks awfully high.

Normal ergonomic recommendations are to have the top of the display at or slightly above eye level. (To wit see http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/Ergonomics/compergo.htm#MONITOR or http://www.ergonomics.com.au/howtosit.htm, or yahoo! for "ergonomic computer screen height")

Let us know if you start having neck and back pains ;)

[cr2sh]

While I'm happy that they're finally shipping and awed by the images coming from folks who already have theirs, I had to vote this topic negative.

These damn things were announced in JUNE. I mean love of god, June.

[Devie]

dear god!!!!!!!!!!!!
your one rich lucky bastard :D

[nagromme]

I'd bet that both the X800 and the 6800 would choke with those settings. My 9800XT can run a 16-bot Onslaught match at 1680x1050 with good framerates, but that's with no FSAA or AF. The native res on the 30" has more than twice the number of pixels as the native res on my 20". That means the GPU is going to be taxed twice as hard just to maintain usable frame rates. And neither the 6800 nor the X800 is twice as fast as the 9800XT.
That's OK, I'm not getting a 30" until I have a G6 to go with it :D Time for GPUs to catch up to full-screen gaming at 2560x1600.

[Wonder Boy]

That's OK, I'm not getting a 30" until I have a G6 to go with it :D Time for GPUs to catch up to full-screen gaming at 2560x1600.

exactly.

[benpatient]

The displays, announced along with the 20" & 23" counterparts in June, have been slow out of the gate due to production problems from NVidia in providing the required cards.


This can't be true, as worded, because NVidia doesn't make graphics cards. They let their partners make graphics cards. They may be having a hard time supplying the chips for the cards (but they are the same chips that PC users get, so I doubt it), but if any other aspect of the card was the hold-up, then it was Apple's fault, not NVidia...

[wdlove]

[QUOTE=30Inches]Haha....no, I'm not that tall. The picture may look a bit deceiving, the desk is rather short. Adjusting the angle of the display is so easy and smooth to do. Here is another pic....


This picture is the best, it's awesome. The size makes it hard to get a real perspective. Hope that you have the proper ergonomics. I'm looking forward to seeing one in person. :cool:

[socamx]

I'd definitely get that X800 over the nvidia, but it bugs me on one thing though. I'd rather have the X800 with a DVI, VGA and S-Video out like my current Radeon 9800 Pro Retail. I have a VGA monitor (long live the 17 inch studio display) and I use S-Video for mirroring to a tv tuner so I can record video games off the G5.

So if I wanted the same setup, VGA monitor, and S-Video out going, I'd need a DVI-VGA (thats no problem) and ADC-DVI-S-Video (or DVI-S-Video, and ADC-DVI?-VGA)? Would that even WORK?

I really hope ATi puts out a version with DVI/S-Video/VGA...but I doubt it will happen.

[~Shard~]

The nVidia card can drive two 30" displays. Is this new ATI capable of that, too?

I believe the ATI will only drive 1 30” display, so you’re out of luck, poor you, however will you get by? :rolleyes: ;) Looks like a solid card though and definitely a viable alternative to the nVidia.

[~Shard~]

Great news, glad to see these monsters coming out to the masses! I’ll have to check the local shops around here to see when they get them on display – I’m thinking that the 30” can only be truly appreciated by seeing it in person. :cool:

[Frobozz]

The ATI x800 is great news. Not only is this card faster at certain things that then 6800 Ultra, but it only occupies a single slot! What a concept! :-) When I order my G5 in the first half of next year I will get an x800 or similar card for the very reason that it will only take up a single slot. Plus, no matter what my DP Quicksilver came with, I tend to favor ATI cards.

I am receiving an HP 23" LCD today and I'm gonna need a nice new G5 to run it eventually...

[30Inches]

I’m thinking that the 30” can only be truly appreciated by seeing it in person. :cool:

It's kinda like having your own little I-Max theater. I never saw one until it was on my desk....worth every penny.

Harry

[agreenster]

I'm really looking forward to going to the Apple store and seeing these things in person. I think that dual 23" would be better than a single 30" but its still going to be a nice display.

Neener Neener! I already saw them back in august at Siggraph this year. UN FREAKIN BELIEVABLE. They had dual 30 inchers EVERYWHERE (Apple had the largest presence of anyone there) and it was staggering how great they were. They made as much of a buzz as anything else. Compared to any of the other LCD's there, the cinema displays blew them away (quality wise).

But, the CD's are pricier, so you get what you pay for

[AidenShaw]

It's kinda like having your own little I-Max theater.

;) No, here's the "private IMAX"

http://www.ergotron.com/3_products/flat_panel/hd_multi/images/33-096.jpg

[keysersoze]

http://www.geocities.com/hangelikas/30.2.jpg


Hmmmm..... $6000+ Apple products.
$15 Halogen lamp from KMart.


Nice!
:)

[~Shard~]

It's kinda like having your own little I-Max theater. I never saw one until it was on my desk....worth every penny.

Harry

And that's saying a lot, as that's quite a few pennies! I believe it though - can't wait to see one myself... Enjoy!

[the future]

Hmmmm..... $6000+ Apple products.
$15 Halogen lamp from KMart.

That are the kind of priorities I like... :)

[BJNY]

Haha....no, I'm not that tall. The picture may look a bit deceiving, the desk is rather short. Adjusting the angle of the display is so easy and smooth to do. Here is another pic....

http://www.geocities.com/hangelikas/30.2.jpg

With a plain 50% gray as your desktop picture, does the backlighting seem even left to right, and top to bottom?
Also, how many dead pixels does your 30" have?
Thanks and congratulations.
Envious,
Billy

[wookitus]

Hmmmm..... $6000+ Apple products.
$15 Halogen lamp from KMart.


Nice!
:)

I thought the exact same thing. I actually own that lamp. I'm not even sure it cost me as much as $15.

[Chaszmyr]

This can't be true, as worded, because NVidia doesn't make graphics cards. They let their partners make graphics cards. They may be having a hard time supplying the chips for the cards (but they are the same chips that PC users get, so I doubt it), but if any other aspect of the card was the hold-up, then it was Apple's fault, not NVidia...

Apple explicitly stated during the Q4 conference call that the delay was nVidia's fault. Furthermore, when I called Apple when my 6800 order was delayed, I was told that they could not give me an accurate timeline as it was an nVidia product rather than an Apple product.

[Windowlicker]

NOPE. Boo Ati!!! It has ONE dual-link DVI connection and ONE ADC connection (a nice nod to apple users...after Apple kills the ADC connector...dumb bastards, WE NEED TWO DUAL LINK DVI'S FOR THOSE OVERLY RICH SNOBS AND THEIR DUAL 30 inchers! Cuz hey, I hope to be one of those rich snobs someday :P.

haha! well, i'm quite happy about the ADC actually. I just changed my 17" ViewSonic to an Apple 17". The reason was mainly that I get ADC, and therefore two cables less (the power cable and the keyboard extension cable) on my table. The Apple also has better picture in my opinion (and the design is from a different planet). So, it's good to see I can upgrade my NVidia FX5200 to a 256mb (or better) card someday if i feel like gaming.

[30Inches]

With a plain 50% gray as your desktop picture, does the backlighting seem even left to right, and top to bottom?
Also, how many dead pixels does your 30" have?
Thanks and congratulations.
Envious,
Billy

Backlighting looks to be perfect, no complaints...everything looks even, left to right, top to bottom.

No, that's not my desktop picture, that was shot as soon as i fired her up. I have been looking for dead pixels, but I honeslty can't seem to find one! I hope I don't, but I did expect to find a few.

[Windowlicker]

I had to do some tech support a week ago for this lady who couldn't understand why her old 17" Studio Display couldn't plug in to the back of her brand new G5.

After 5 minutes of explaining ADC and DVI and the location on the back of her tower, I realized what card she had.

...and how she was wasting it. :(

that's horrible! I would have asked her to trade the card to a one that will play with her 17" ;)

[30Inches]

I thought the exact same thing. I actually own that lamp. I'm not even sure it cost me as much as $15.

HAHA, ok...the lamp belongs to my roommate and yes, it's a piece of junk. Turns off when it feels like it. I moved the lamp temporarily to make way for those massive boxes that take up my entire apt. I have another lamp that I use...I'll post a pic of it later to make u guys happy. :rolleyes:

[GregGomer]

I saw the combo today at the Digital Life expo in NYC...All I can say is...INCREDIBLE!

My pics:

http://webpages.charter.net/rusty01/g51.JPG

What program is that on the screen... looks a wee bit like motion? If so that's awesome cause the Nvidia card doesn't support motion.

Greg

[erroneous]

I thought the exact same thing. I actually own that lamp. I'm not even sure it cost me as much as $15.

I'm in the UK and somehow have the black and the chrome versions of that lamp in my flat. I've only got a 23" though: bad priorities. ;)

[MacsRgr8]

... I've only got a 23" though: bad priorities. ;)

Is that the small screen on the pic above your post?

:D

(wishing I had one!)

[Viridiana]

has anyone had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison with the 23" for brightness, overall picture quality? The Apple store here in NYC says they won't get 30"s till November (poo)...wanted to look before taking the $4-large leap but I don't think I can wait that long!

[socamx]

What program is that on the screen... looks a wee bit like motion? If so that's awesome cause the Nvidia card doesn't support motion.

Greg
First off thats ATi's X800 demo, Ruby, to show off the graphic power of the X800.

Second, Motion supports the 5200 Ultra and 6800 DLL.
Specs right off the Motion Page:

Minimum System Requirements

Macintosh computer with 867MHz or faster PowerPC G4 or G5 processor
4X AGP slot
512MB of RAM (2GB or more recommended)
Mac OS X v10.3.5 or later
QuickTime 6.5.1 or later
Display with 1024 x 768 resolution or higher (1280 x 1024 resolution recommended)

One of the following graphics cards:
— ATI Radeon 9800 XT (R360)
— ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (R350)
— ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (R300)
— ATI Radeon 9600 XT (RV360)
— ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (RV350)
— ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (RV M11)
— ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (RV M100
— nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL (NV40)
— nVidia GeForce Go5200 (NV34M)
— nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra (NV34)

[Capt Underpants]

what are you talking about? The x800 cards have been out on AGP since launch

There is AGP version and a PCI express version of the x800 cards.

[~Shard~]

What program is that on the screen... looks a wee bit like motion? If so that's awesome cause the Nvidia card doesn't support motion.

The nVidia card does support Motion - the specs are right on Motion's tech specs (http://www.apple.com/motion/specs.html) page.

[fatfish]

My Display was delivered 2 months ago, but had to wait for my G5, it arrived last Tuesday.

Excuse the mess on and around the desk, I have to work.

Only issues with the display are:

1. USB ports are not powered.
2. Gives off a lot of heat.

[MacsRgr8]

Excuse the mess on and around the desk, I have to work.

Work and play, I assume...? Or are you a professional darts player ;) :D

[recursivejon]

Only issues with the display are:

1. USB ports are not powered.
2. Gives off a lot of heat.

The USB ports should be powered, what did you try to plug into them? (i ghave a macally icekey+kensington trackball+camera hooked into the two ports on my 23")

[wdlove]

My Display was delivered 2 months ago, but had to wait for my G5, it arrived last Tuesday.

Excuse the mess on and around the desk, I have to work.

Only issues with the display are:

1. USB ports are not powered.
2. Gives off a lot of heat.

How much heat are you talking about? Is it that bad that a fan is needed?

[Chaszmyr]

Only issues with the display are:

1. USB ports are not powered.
2. Gives off a lot of heat.

As previously stated, the USB ports should be powered, however not powered enough for everything that requires a powered USB port. For example, a Griffin PowerMate should get the power it needs, but an El Gato USB EyeTV or an m-Audio MobilePre may not.

[cwright]

Has anyone tried watching TV from an EyeTV 200 or Formact Studio TVR on one of the 30" displays (or even the 23")? How does a standard definition picture like your basic cable TV stations look when played full screen on such a high-res monitor? :confused:

[Phat_Pat]

can anyone give us a comparison to these bad boys?

for example maybe a soda can.... just so we can get an idea how big these things are. :o

[c0n]

is that now all you guys with 30 inchers are going to get repetitive strain injury.

(due to large movements required to move cursor across the screen)
(im safe i only have a 15 inch , 1280 x 1024)

[~Shard~]

is that now all you guys with 30 inchers are going to get repetitive strain injury.

That just sounds far too sick...

(due to large movements required to move cursor across the screen) (im safe i only have a 15 inch , 1280 x 1024)

Kay, you clarified yourself... ;)

[fatfish]

Been at the pub, so now I'm back I'll answer your Q's

>Work and play, I assume...? Or are you a professional darts player

You assume correct but most of my play nowadays is on my mac, but no I'm not a pro darts player, just use the darts to throw at the wife now and again.

>The USB ports should be powered, what did you try to plug into them? (i ghave a macally icekey+kensington trackball+camera hooked into the two ports on my 23")

Checked with apple and on sytem profiler. only 100 mA to the ports on the monitor.

>How much heat are you talking about? Is it that bad that a fan is needed?

No, the fan is always there, but there really is plenty of heat from both the mac and the display. So much so that the fan has been on, and we are talking October in the North of England. and my room is 36' x 12', I'd sure not like to be in a 6' x6'.

[wookitus]

Been at the pub, so now I'm back I'll answer your Q's

>Work and play, I assume...? Or are you a professional darts player

You assume correct but most of my play nowadays is on my mac, but no I'm not a pro darts player, just use the darts to throw at the wife now and again.

>The USB ports should be powered, what did you try to plug into them? (i ghave a macally icekey+kensington trackball+camera hooked into the two ports on my 23")

Checked with apple and on sytem profiler. only 100 mA to the ports on the monitor.

>How much heat are you talking about? Is it that bad that a fan is needed?

No, the fan is always there, but there really is plenty of heat from both the mac and the display. So much so that the fan has been on, and we are talking October in the North of England. and my room is 36' x 12', I'd sure not like to be in a 6' x6'.

I like how you hide the dock on your monitor even though you have 30 inches of screen to work with. That's awesome. :cool:

[fatfish]

Been at the pub, so now I'm back I'll answer your Q's

>Work and play, I assume...? Or are you a professional darts player

You assume correct but most of my play nowadays is on my mac, but no I'm not a pro darts player, just use the darts to throw at the wife now and again.

>The USB ports should be powered, what did you try to plug into them? (i ghave a macally icekey+kensington trackball+camera hooked into the two ports on my 23")

Checked with apple and on sytem profiler. only 100 mA to the ports on the monitor.

>How much heat are you talking about? Is it that bad that a fan is needed?

No, the fan is always there, but there really is plenty of heat from both the mac and the display. So much so that the fan has been on, and we are talking October in the North of England. and my room is 36' x 12', I'd sure not like to be in a 6' x6'.

[fatfish]

I like how you hide the dock on your monitor even though you have 30 inches of screen to work with. That's awesome. :cool:

Force of habit

[JGowan]

can anyone give us a comparison to these bad boys? For example maybe a soda can.... just so we can get an idea how big these things are. :oI did this mock up based on a Magazine and a can compared with my new 23"... then once I got the sizes right, I matched them up with this shot of Apple's entire lineup... this is as accurate as I could get w/o a 30" of my own. Did I mention, I have a new 23"? :p

[BS85]

damn, the wait for this monitor has gone to 3-5 weeks, and my machine is expected early this week. i orginally didn't buy the 30" with the order cause i was hoping to pick it up earlier at the apple store, but i guess their shipping earlier online. does anyone know if any of the stores or online resellers have gotten their stock in? thanks

[Phat_Pat]

I did this mock up based on a Magazine and a can compared with my new 23"... then once I got the sizes right, I matched them up with this shot of Apple's entire lineup... this is as accurate as I could get w/o a 30" of my own. Did I mention, I have a new 23"? :p


holy...... cow that thing is huge! a magiznie is as big and my screen... if i got one of those.... wow... i want one :rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

Once again, I don't think you can truly appreciate that thing (the 30" display) unless you see it in person. Who needs an HDTV when you have that thing....

[wdlove]

>How much heat are you talking about? Is it that bad that a fan is needed?

No, the fan is always there, but there really is plenty of heat from both the mac and the display. So much so that the fan has been on, and we are talking October in the North of England. and my room is 36' x 12', I'd sure not like to be in a 6' x6'.

I will admit that your mention of plenty of heat emanating from both the G5 and the 30" monitor causes me concern. Hope to hear what other owner comments are regarding this issue.

[dontmatter]

It's kinda like having your own little I-Max theater. I never saw one until it was on my desk....worth every penny.

Harry

heh, yeah, that thing deserves a surrond sound system like i-max's to go with... what the hay, it's only a couple of grand more!

[dontmatter]

Haha....no, I'm not that tall. The picture may look a bit deceiving, the desk is rather short. Adjusting the angle of the display is so easy and smooth to do. Here is another pic....

http://www.geocities.com/hangelikas/30.2.jpg

You have THAT nice of a computer and THAT nice of a monitor... and you couldn't afford a two button mouse!
;-)

[Corrupted]

[Corrupted]

Haha....no, I'm not that tall. The picture may look a bit deceiving, the desk is rather short. Adjusting the angle of the display is so easy and smooth to do. Here is another pic....

http://www.geocities.com/hangelikas/30.2.jpg

OMG You have a Dual 2.5 and a 30" Apple diplay and your on dial-up? It not to much more for broadband service:)

[wdlove]

OMG You have a Dual 2.5 and a 30" Apple diplay and your on dial-up? It not to much more for broadband service:)

Broadband is at least $30 more a month. He may be on a strict budget. :D

[~Shard~]

Broadband is at least $30 more a month. He may be on a strict budget. :D

Yes, judging by his previous purchases, I'd say very strict. Poor guy... ;)

[wdlove]

Yes, judging by his previous purchases, I'd say very strict. Poor guy... ;)

I wouldn't say he's a poor guy. Afterall he has that new 2.5 G5, 6800 Card, and 30" Dispaly. Either he has borrowed or used alot of his savings. So now he will have to watch expenses for a while. :D

[30Inches]

Broadband is at least $30 more a month. He may be on a strict budget. :D

Well, after such a purchase I admit I am on a budget. But, that wire you see is for my house phone....I can't live with a dial up connection!!

And as for the mouse, I use a Kensington wireless Expert. ;)

[~Shard~]

I wouldn't say he's a poor guy. Afterall he has that new 2.5 G5, 6800 Card, and 30" Dispaly. Either he has borrowed or used alot of his savings. So now he will have to watch expenses for a while. :D

Actually, I meant "poor" as in unfortunate, not "poor" as in broke, but that works too.... ;)

[wdlove]

Actually, I meant "poor" as in unfortunate, not "poor" as in broke, but that works too.... ;)

Actually I took your use of "poor" both ways. Either way he is using an awesome setup.

[~Shard~]

Actually I took your use of "poor" both ways. Either way he is using an awesome setup.

I'll second that. I can only hope to have a setup like that when it's time for me to buy some new Apple gear - that won't be for another couple years though. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to pick up a RevB G6 PowerMac and Apple's new 42" HD display. :cool:

[KentP]

:) :) :) the 30" display and Nvidia's 6800 are on a FedEx truck as I am typing - out for delivery. :) :) :)

It will be tough waiting until I am off work to put it all together. Cough! Hack! I'm not feeling too well....cough!

I'll post pictures when I'm set. Anyone want to buy a ATI Radeon 9600 XT?

---edit--- I just got them. Oh My! What a big screen - sure beats mt 17" CRT. ;)

[quackattack]

Once again, I don't think you can truly appreciate that thing (the 30" display) unless you see it in person. Who needs an HDTV when you have that thing....

i agree, i saw it in person for the first time yesterday..... drool :D

[Viridiana]

does anyone have new info on the Radeon X800 card that was announced recently?

http://tinyurl.com/6gytu

The fact that it only takes a single-slot is great, as well as the possible lower price. But I haven't heard anything concrete about availability or quality...

[wdlove]

:) :) :) the 30" display and Nvidia's 6800 are on a FedEx truck as I am typing - out for delivery. :) :) :)

It will be tough waiting until I am off work to put it all together. Cough! Hack! I'm not feeling too well....cough!

I'll post pictures when I'm set. Anyone want to buy a ATI Radeon 9600 XT?

---edit--- I just got them. Oh My! What a big screen - sure beats mt 17" CRT. ;)

Congratulations KentP, what am awesome purchase. Looking forward to a picture of your setup. It will be nice to see a different perspective.

[frozenstar]

does anyone have new info on the Radeon X800 card that was announced recently?

http://tinyurl.com/6gytu

The fact that it only takes a single-slot is great, as well as the possible lower price. But I haven't heard anything concrete about availability or quality...

I'm really looking forward to benchmark comparisons between this and the 6800 Ultra. The 6800 is superior on the Win/x86 side of things, but that doesn't necessarily hold true for Macs. If it's at least comparable in speed to the 6800 I'll definitely buy one. My 2x2GHz G5 needs a GPU to match.

[The Woodman]

I received my 30" ACD and my Dual 2.5 PowerMac two days ago.

I would echo the comments of others regarding the 30" display. Everytime I come home and sit down at my computer, I just have to laugh. It is so large, I had to raise my chair, otherwise the top of the display was actually too high (initially, I found myself looking up to access the menu bar). It is wide, yes, but the height is what seems so different to me. I also find myself working in "areas" of the screen... like, "I guess I will work on the left side of the display for this project." Of course, for audio editing (which I like to do), the sound wave goes all the way across the screen. So cool.

Someone mentioned the heat issue. I don't think the 30" ACD puts out that much heat, really. It runs remarkably cool, considering how much light it is giving off. The Dual 2.5 box is another story, though...

I ran a pixel checker on the 30". I just had to know! This display has over four million pixels. I found one stuck pixel. Now THAT is some serious engineering. I have previously owned the 22" and 23" ACDs, and they were no where near this good from a pixel perspective.

Finally, this is the first LCD display that I have ever owned where I don't turn the brightness up all the way. It is such a phenomenally bright panel, you can actually nudge the brightness down a couple of notches, particularly if you are in a dark room.

I am truly flabbergasted by the engineering. Unbelievable, really.

Woody

[wjchan]

29.7" vs 22.2"
2560x1600 vs 3840x2400 (2.25x the pixels)

The 2 browser windows are the same size in terms of pixels.

[Phat_Pat]

29.7" vs 22.2"
2560x1600 vs 3840x2400 (2.25x the pixels)

The 2 browser windows are the same size in terms of pixels.

wow thats a big difference. I never knew you could use a 30" on windows...... :confused:

[wjchan]

All you need is a dual-link DVI (not dual DVI) card on the PC side. The Quadro FX 2000, for example, has been around for over a year.

[wdlove]

I received my 30" ACD and my Dual 2.5 PowerMac two days ago.

Someone mentioned the heat issue. I don't think the 30" ACD puts out that much heat, really. It runs remarkably cool, considering how much light it is giving off. The Dual 2.5 box is another story, though...

Finally, this is the first LCD display that I have ever owned where I don't turn the brightness up all the way. It is such a phenomenally bright panel, you can actually nudge the brightness down a couple of notches, particularly if you are in a dark room.

I am truly flabbergasted by the engineering. Unbelievable, really.

Woody

I really appreciate hearing your positive review of the 30" Display. It's good to know that that it doesn't produce all that much heat. I imagine that it will be awesome to view a DVD movie on the 30".

[virus1]

sheesh... 'bout time...

[Daimyo Asano]

I received my 30-inch cinema display earlier this week and have been very happy with it. This is by far the best Apple product that I have owned to date and I am in awe of its design and quality. I can honestly say that it was well worth the wait (I ordered in mid August).

Although my dual 2.5 has been putting out a lot of heat, I have not noticed any heat problems with this display. As others on this thread have mentioned, it is very bright, something that I have not seen in the LCD displays that I have used in the past. Below are a few snapshots that I have taken of it (the one with the three displays has a 23 inch cinema display in the front, a 15 inch Ti Powerbook behind it, and the 30 inch cinema display behind that). Ignore the mess of wires beneath the desk, they are left over from my previous setup :).


Photo 1 (http://homepage.mac.com/matsushida_oni/301.jpg)
Photo 2 (http://homepage.mac.com/matsushida_oni/304.jpg)
Photo 3 (http://homepage.mac.com/matsushida_oni/306.jpg)
Photo 4 (http://homepage.mac.com/matsushida_oni/307.jpg)
Photo 5 (http://homepage.mac.com/matsushida_oni/305.jpg)

[the future]

I received my 30-inch cinema display earlier this week ... Below are a few snapshots that I have taken of it (the one with the three displays has a 23 inch cinema display in the front, a 15 inch Ti Powerbook behind it, and the 30 inch cinema display behind that).

Wow... the PowerBook display looks ridiculously tiny in front of the 30" CD. As the PowerBook display in front of me right now does not look tiny at all, I can't begin to imagine how huge the 30" CD would look on my desk. I absolutely need to check 'em out "in person".

[wstokes]

My rom is one newer, 2119

[ManHo]

Thanks. wstokes

When did you receive your card?

[wdlove]

I received my 30-inch cinema display earlier this week and have been very happy with it. This is by far the best Apple product that I have owned to date and I am in awe of its design and quality. I can honestly say that it was well worth the wait (I ordered in mid August).


Very nice pictures, thank you for sharing. The 23" even looks small next to the 30".

[wildsurf]

Hi all,

I ordered the 30" Cinema and graphics card at the WWDC in June, originally slated for Aug 15th, and it finally shipped on Oct 14th. FedEx inexplicably lost track of the package for a few days, (including a claimed delivery, with a bogus signature on the online tracking page), but it was eventually delivered, without consistent explanation, on the 20th. (Weird.)

I assumed that the setup would be plug & play, so I naively plugged and played. Kernel panic!! Restart, Kernel panic. The graphics card came with a CD, which I hoped might be bootable with the drivers on it. No such luck. Finally had to take out the new graphics card, put in the old one, restart (at half-res on the 30"), install the fan firmware update, restart, install the NVidia drivers, restart, shut down, replace the graphics card with the new one, then finally restart. Success.

First impression: WOW!! Overwhelming. (I'm moving up from one of the original 22" DVI Cinema Displays, which after four years has aged to a parchment-like sepia-tone.) Test for dead pixels: None!! Test for stuck pixels: One, marginally, blue-green, in the lower right corner. Not bad, not bad at all!

But after a few minutes of use, I noticed that I kept subconsciously dragging all the windows to the right half of the screen. Huh? So I set the screen all white, and took a step back. WHOA! The display is about 50% brighter on the right half than the left half!! Setting the screen to pure white, I took a photo from several feet away to verify the non-uniformity. Open these links in sequence, and you can use the browser forward and back buttons to flip between them. The first is the original photo, and the second is the same photo flipped horizontally:

Original Photo (http://www.benweiss.com/pages/docs/Cinema30.jpg)
Flipped Photo (http://www.benweiss.com/pages/docs/Cinema30Flip.jpg)

As you can see, the non-uniformity is quite extreme, and I have no choice but to return the display for this reason. (There's also a slight pinkish cast relative to my other displays, though this is very minor.) I'll post again when I get a replacement display; hopefully sooner than later. Has anyone else experienced this non-uniformity, or tested for it?

-Ben

[TwoPoint5]

Daimyo,

Any chance you can run a quick motion templete to test the fps and compare the difference between running a higer res (2560 x 1600) on the 30 and the somwhat lower resolution (1920 x 1200( of the 23 inch display. It seems the 30 inch display should slow down the graphic card with all the extra pixels to push; My question is how much... I would love the larger screen but realtime speed is most important; if the difference is close though then I'll get the 30

thanks,

richard

[hd1080ts]

Got it today.

Worth every penny.

[~Shard~]

Got it today.

Worth every penny.

... And that's a lot of pennies! :cool:

[hd1080ts]

Here you go.

1920x1080 clips at 100percent in Combustion.

Other monitor is 23Inch HD.

[jbro]

too bad I didn't win the lottery. :(

Does anyone know if it's possible to display more than one page in a text-editing program (Word or Final Draft) on the larger lcds? For instance to see two pages side-by-side.

[frozenstar]

too bad I didn't win the lottery. :(

Does anyone know if it's possible to display more than one page in a text-editing program (Word or Final Draft) on the larger lcds? For instance to see two pages side-by-side.

My 20" has enough pixels to do that.

[wdlove]

Here you go.

1920x1080 clips at 100percent in Combustion.

Other monitor is 23Inch HD.

That's a very sophisticated looking setup. Just can't get over how small the 23" looks to the 30".

[nfocus design]

too bad I didn't win the lottery. :(

Does anyone know if it's possible to display more than one page in a text-editing program (Word or Final Draft) on the larger lcds? For instance to see two pages side-by-side.

There is plenty of room. Here is a screenshot with two pages in Dreamweaver on a 23" display.

[CharlieBrown]

from reseller to expect 30" display Tues or Wed

[~Shard~]

There is plenty of room. Here is a screenshot with two pages in Dreamweaver on a 23" display.

All I can say is holy @#$% that is @!&%ing big! Man, I want one. ... Where do you live? And when are you not home? Just curious... ;) :cool:

[nfocus design]

All I can say is holy @#$% that is @!&%ing big! Man, I want one. ... Where do you live? And when are you not home? Just curious... ;) :cool:

Unfortunately for you, I work from home and pratically a hermit :)

I do plan on a trip to the Apple store later though to check out the new iPod.

[nfocus design]

All I can say is holy @#$% that is @!&%ing big! Man, I want one. ... Where do you live? And when are you not home? Just curious... ;) :cool:

I can even watch a movie while I work. Sorry the picture is so bad. Had to take a picture instead of a screenshot. Is there a way around this? I never have been able to take a screenshot with a DVD in.

[wileypen]

Someone asked a couple of pages ago, thought I'd take another shot - has anyone tried using one of these as a television using Eye TV or another product? I'm building a new house with an office in it, and trying to decide whether or not I can skip figuring out a way to install a TV.

Thanks!

[wdlove]

I was at my local Apple Store today, and what to my surprise was a 30" Cinema Display. It was the only one that they had. One one of staff checked in back and they were all gone. It felt warm around the edges, but nothing like my wife's PowerBook. No heat that I could feel emanating from the unit itself. I watched "The Incredibles" via QuickTime on full screen. It was awesome. My wife was very impressed, "You wouldn't need an HDTV with this." The size just blows you away.

[~Shard~]

Unfortunately for you, I work from home and pratically a hermit :)

I do plan on a trip to the Apple store later though to check out the new iPod.

Blast it! ;) Ah well, I'm not going to be in the Texas area any time soon anyway... :cool:

[~Shard~]

Had to take a picture instead of a screenshot. Is there a way around this? I never have been able to take a screenshot with a DVD in.

Hmm, not that I'm aware of - I only ever use Apple-Shift-3 when I need to take screengrabs...

[nfocus design]

Hmm, not that I'm aware of - I only ever use Apple-Shift-3 when I need to take screengrabs...

Are you aware of Apple Shift 4? It allows you to draw around a specific area. Apple shift 4 spacebar will put a little camera on the screen. Just move it to the window you want to capture and then click.

I saw the 30" display the other day at the Apple store. May need to trade in my 23" for a 30". I love the new iPod photo too.

[SonySnake]

I can even watch a movie while I work. Sorry the picture is so bad. Had to take a picture instead of a screenshot. Is there a way around this? I never have been able to take a screenshot with a DVD in.

There are a few apps that do that

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/15496

And this one does it but only full screen in the dvd player

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16324

[~Shard~]

Are you aware of Apple Shift 4? It allows you to draw around a specific area. Apple shift 4 spacebar will put a little camera on the screen. Just move it to the window you want to capture and then click.

No, I wasn't aware of that, very cool, thanks for that. You learn something new every day! :cool:

[nfocus design]

There are a few apps that do that

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/15496

And this one does it but only full screen in the dvd player

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16324

Thanks! That's what I was looking for. :D

[nfocus design]

No, I wasn't aware of that, very cool, thanks for that. You learn something new every day! :cool:

Press control option Apple 8 Turns screen into a B&W negative. Press them again to return to normal. Haven't found it that useful, but fun to do to a coworker who doesn't know about it.

[~Shard~]

Press control option Apple 8 Turns screen into a B&W negative. Press them again to return to normal. Haven't found it that useful, but fun to do to a coworker who doesn't know about it.

Geez, you're just full of little gems! Is there a list of these types of commands anywhere, or do you just figure them out? ;)

[nfocus design]

Geez, you're just full of little gems! Is there a list of these types of commands anywhere, or do you just figure them out? ;)

Some I read about in books, some I've learned from friends and some just by accident. This site has some of the more common ones.

http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html

[~Shard~]

Some I read about in books, some I've learned from friends and some just by accident. This site has some of the more common ones.

http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html


Cool, thanks for the link. :)

[yanks]

I just don't know what to do. I went with my wife to the Apple Store yesterday to see the 30" Cinema Display, she gave the go ahead to get it if I want it. The the thing is this, I was overwhelmed by it's enormous size, I mean it is so huge it makes the 20" and 23" displays look like 12" and 15" respectively! Standing in front of it I had to turn my head to the left and right, and on web pages if it's open the whole size of the display there are huge sections of unused white real estate.. It really does seem like a display that you would use in sections. I'm just worried that it might be too big as to become uncomfortable.
Another thing that seems a little crazy, the 30" display says it ships in 1-2 weeks on the Apple Online Store but the Nvidia 6800 video card says it ships in 3-5 weeks. I need an objective review of the 30" display, I know it's gorgeous but have any of you who have received it find that it's at all uncomfortable to use on a daily basis?

[Sun Baked]

Another thing that seems a little crazy, the 30" display says it ships in 1-2 weeks on the Apple Online Store but the Nvidia 6800 video card says it ships in 3-5 weeks. I need an objective review of the 30" display, I know it's gorgeous but have any of you who have received it find that it's at all uncomfortable to use on a daily basis?At least text zoom in the browsers and stuff like MS Office should function a bit better while AA is on.

Not as much fuzzy text.

Whereas LCDs weren't really a good choice for people with vision problems, the 30 inch should make LCDs attractive for these people again.

Though I have really played around with any of Apple's widgets for these people, but it'll probably beat running a huge CRT at 640x480 for some of these people who can't read the small text.

[wdlove]

I just don't know what to do. I went with my wife to the Apple Store yesterday to see the 30" Cinema Display, she gave the go ahead to get it if I want it. The the thing is this, I was overwhelmed by it's enormous size, I mean it is so huge it makes the 20" and 23" displays look like 12" and 15" respectively! Standing in front of it I had to turn my head to the left and right, and on web pages if it's open the whole size of the display there are huge sections of unused white real estate.. It really does seem like a display that you would use in sections. I'm just worried that it might be too big as to become uncomfortable.
Another thing that seems a little crazy, the 30" display says it ships in 1-2 weeks on the Apple Online Store but the Nvidia 6800 video card says it ships in 3-5 weeks. I need an objective review of the 30" display, I know it's gorgeous but have any of you who have received it find that it's at all uncomfortable to use on a daily basis?

I'm in the same ambivalent feeling myself. My wife was overwhelmed also when she saw the 30" yesterday.

I don't don't think that the large real estate would be a problem. Like most things you would make adjustments. It would allow for multiple large window open at the same time. Then after a while you will be thinking how did I ever get along without the 30"

What really blew us away was watching a Quicktime movie, full screen.

[yanks]

What really blew us away was watching a Quicktime movie, full screen.

Funny you should mention it was a Quicktime movie that blew you away, I tried to play the last keynote with Quicktime at full screen on the 30" Cinema Display at the store, somehow it crashed the dual 2.5GHz G5 it was attached to.

[~Shard~]

Funny you should mention it was a Quicktime movie that blew you away, I tried to play the last keynote with Quicktime at full screen on the 30" Cinema Display at the store, somehow it crashed the dual 2.5GHz G5 it was attached to.

Odd. Although my friend once crashed a G4 PowerMac by touching the mouse - couldn't believe it, maybe he was a distant relative to Bill Gates or something...

[wdlove]

Funny you should mention it was a Quicktime movie that blew you away, I tried to play the last keynote with Quicktime at full screen on the 30" Cinema Display at the store, somehow it crashed the dual 2.5GHz G5 it was attached to.

Do you mean that you had to restart or was it just a force quit?

[yanks]

Do you mean that you had to restart or was it just a force quit?
I mean he had to do a hard restart with the power button, even doing control/command/eject would not restart it. It kind of frazzled the sales guy, first because he couldn't understand why it happened and second because he didn't know you can restart a Mac with the keyboard.

[wdlove]

I mean he had to do a hard restart with the power button, even doing control/command/eject would not restart it. It kind of frazzled the sales guy, first because he couldn't understand why it happened and second because he didn't know you can restart a Mac with the keyboard.

Was the 30" and the G5 OK after the restart? Sounds like a serious conflict occurred. :(

[jason3142]

I just don't know what to do. I went with my wife to the Apple Store yesterday to see the 30" Cinema Display, she gave the go ahead to get it if I want it. The the thing is this, I was overwhelmed by it's enormous size, I mean it is so huge it makes the 20" and 23" displays look like 12" and 15" respectively! Standing in front of it I had to turn my head to the left and right, and on web pages if it's open the whole size of the display there are huge sections of unused white real estate.. It really does seem like a display that you would use in sections. I'm just worried that it might be too big as to become uncomfortable.
Another thing that seems a little crazy, the 30" display says it ships in 1-2 weeks on the Apple Online Store but the Nvidia 6800 video card says it ships in 3-5 weeks. I need an objective review of the 30" display, I know it's gorgeous but have any of you who have received it find that it's at all uncomfortable to use on a daily basis?

I have had a 30" for a couple of weeks now at work. I work for an architect using CAD and so the extra space to see the drawing is really good, and the quality/brightness is by far the best I have seen.
BUT... the screen is soooo big, it takes a while to get use to. and you end up using it differently with your email program and browser window open at the same time. For day to day use at home or not where size matters I would say it is too big, I feel slightly overwhelmed by it. And the desk space it takes up, I hide my G5 behind it :)

Lovely screen, can me easy to mislay cursor :p

Oh, friends and visitors are left speechless when they see it.

The only problem now is that my TV at home is only 28", so this is going to cost me big... :(

[yanks]

Was the 30" and the G5 OK after the restart? Sounds like a serious conflict occurred. :(
Yes everything was ok after restart but I didn't try to play the Quicktime Keynote address again.

[yanks]

I have had a 30" for a couple of weeks now at work. I work for an architect using CAD and so the extra space to see the drawing is really good, and the quality/brightness is by far the best I have seen.
BUT... the screen is soooo big, it takes a while to get use to. and you end up using it differently with your email program and browser window open at the same time. For day to day use at home or not where size matters I would say it is too big, I feel slightly overwhelmed by it. And the desk space it takes up, I hide my G5 behind it :)

Lovely screen, can me easy to mislay cursor :p

Oh, friends and visitors are left speechless when they see it.

The only problem now is that my TV at home is only 28", so this is going to cost me big... :(
Jason, thanks for your input. I think I'm going to go for the 23" display over the 30" for two reasons, first because I can use the 23" displays with my Powerbooks as well as my G5. I can also get another 23" display if I ever feel the need for it. One problem is that a lot of the 23" Cinema Displays seem to have a color problem, they have a pink cast that mostly can be calibrated out but not totally. I will go to see the 30" again before I make my final decision.

[Digitalzoom]

Hello Guys.

I was going to go for the 30" but the long delays in the UK put me off.
Anyhow I purchased 2 x 23" Displays to go with my Dual 2ghz.

Not sure if I made the correct decision??

For pics see link

Dual 23" ADC Pics (http://www.spymac.com/gallery/show_photo.php?picid=286705)

[wjchan]

Left: Apple 30" Cinema Display (2560x1600, 29.7" diagonal)
Right: IBM T221 (3840x2400, 22.2" diagonal)

Both hanging off of an nVidia Geforce 6800 Ultra DDL in a dual 2.5GHz G5.

Physical size roughly to scale. The 2 browsers are the same size in terms of pixels (~1600 pixels high).

[~Shard~]

Hello Guys.

I was going to go for the 30" but the long delays in the UK put me off.
Anyhow I purchased 2 x 23" Displays to go with my Dual 2ghz.

Not sure if I made the correct decision??

For pics see link

Dual 23" ADC Pics (http://www.spymac.com/gallery/show_photo.php?picid=286705)

Looks like a nice setup to me! Really, if it's 30" vs. 2x23" I don't think you can go wrong either way... :)

[~Shard~]

Left: Apple 30" Cinema Display (2560x1600, 29.7" diagonal)
Right: IBM T221 (3840x2400, 22.2" diagonal)

Both hanging off of an nVidia Geforce 6800 Ultra DDL in a dual 2.5GHz G5.

Physical size roughly to scale. The 2 browsers are the same size in terms of pixels (~1600 pixels high).

Every time I see screenshots of that mammoth 30" I still get blown away. I thought the feeling would have worn off by now, but nope! :eek:

[wdlove]

Every time I see screenshots of that mammoth 30" I still get blown away. I thought the feeling would have worn off by now, but nope! :eek:

I think that the feeling will continue for some time. This is just an awesome display. :D

[~Shard~]

I think that the feeling will continue for some time. This is just an awesome display. :D

Yep, I agree. And the nice thing is, that will still be an amazing display in a year or so, when the price will be lower and I might be able to better justify picking one up! Sure, by then I'm sure there will be "better" displays out there, but honestly, that 30" will still be just as good IMO.

[RAS admin]

http://homepage.mac.com/rasjudah2/PhotoAlbum2.html

I just thought I would post a pic of my setup. Here is a dual 2.5 G5 with 30" Apple Cinema Display. I think this is the perfect size monitor for what I do...

http://homepage.mac.com/rasjudah2/HDsetup/index.html

I don't actually have the Decklink equipment yet...

[click2025]

I don't think many peoople will have two 30" displys... I mean that only cost $6400 + tax + a new PM G5 + Nvidia 6800 ultra.... I think comes out to be ~$10,000...
mmm..... drool

Imagine gaming on a setup like this Quad 30" setup! (http://photopower.org/forum/files/4chd.jpg) You would seriously get whiplash!

Anyone care to speculate if it's a fake and if it's real, why would you need such an outrageous setup for music editing/composing??

My guess is fake and it's a dual 30" thats been cleverly cloned - but I'm prepared to be proven wrong!

(sorry if this is posted elsewhere, I couldn't find it)

[BakedBeans]

Imagine gaming on a setup like this Quad 30" setup! (http://photopower.org/forum/files/4chd.jpg) You would seriously get whiplash!

Anyone care to speculate if it's a fake and if it's real, why would you need such an outrageous setup for music editing/composing??

My guess is fake and it's a dual 30" thats been cleverly cloned - but I'm prepared to be proven wrong!

(sorry if this is posted elsewhere, I couldn't find it)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

jeeesus

[wjchan]

You can't get more than 2 ACD 30 running at full res out of a single Mac as there's only 1 AGP slot and no other card has dual-link DVI.

[~Shard~]

Imagine gaming on a setup like this Quad 30" setup! (http://photopower.org/forum/files/4chd.jpg) You would seriously get whiplash!

Anyone care to speculate if it's a fake and if it's real, why would you need such an outrageous setup for music editing/composing??

My guess is fake and it's a dual 30" thats been cleverly cloned - but I'm prepared to be proven wrong!

(sorry if this is posted elsewhere, I couldn't find it)

I would speculate it's faked - how else would you drive that thing? The 6800 can only support 2 30" displays via dual DVI, so how exactly would this even work? And why?!?

[RichardCarletta]

As nice as the Cinema HD Desplays are if I was going to buy a display that big , I would insist on getting it as part of an iMac G5 to help save space.

[wdlove]

http://homepage.mac.com/rasjudah2/PhotoAlbum2.html

I just thought I would post a pic of my setup. Here is a dual 2.5 G5 with 30" Apple Cinema Display. I think this is the perfect size monitor for what I do...

http://homepage.mac.com/rasjudah2/HDsetup/index.html

I don't actually have the Decklink equipment yet...

I'm really impressed by your setup. Just love the look of natural wood. It sets off your computer very well also. ;)

[RAS admin]

I'm really impressed by your setup. Just love the look of natural wood. It sets off your computer very well also.

Thanks, I have the G5 2.5 on a Marathon G5 Rackmount kit in a Synergy shelf with 19" rack. I also have an OmniMount and VESA adapter for the 30" but I haven't installed it yet. Been busy working on new projects so I can pay for these top-of-the-line items.

[recursivejon]

Left: Apple 30" Cinema Display (2560x1600, 29.7" diagonal)
Right: IBM T221 (3840x2400, 22.2" diagonal)

Both hanging off of an nVidia Geforce 6800 Ultra DDL in a dual 2.5GHz G5.

Physical size roughly to scale. The 2 browsers are the same size in terms of pixels (~1600 pixels high).

Dude ive been drooling over that T221 for a year now, its gotta be the sexiest display on the market if you want hi-res.

awesome stuff, what do you use it for exactly?

[wjchan]

Nothing special, the usual programming, work, surfing stuff. I got hooked on high res when I bought the IBM T210 (2048x1536 20.8") several years ago. Once you get used to the smooth fonts and images that only high dpi displays can offer, you'll never look back. I wish IBM would make a T301 :)

[airmac]

I would speculate it's faked - how else would you drive that thing? The 6800 can only support 2 30" displays via dual DVI, so how exactly would this even work? And why?!?

of course it's fake. Top two monitors are duplicated from the bottom two. Take a look at shadows.

...

[iJon]

I must say it is an impressive display. Ours came in today and I set it up next to the new 23" and 20" display. Make's that 20 feel like a 12" iBook or something, it was simply amazing.

iJon

[thevessels]

oof i wanna see a shot of the 30 beside a 12 ibook or powerbook...
:rolleyes:

[wjchan]

Not exactly a PB 12" but this picture shows how an OS X desktop spread across eight 17" monitors with 1280x1024 resolution each (5120x2048 total) would look on different monitors. The sizes are to scale.

Edit: I added 12" and 14" iBook to the picture. Again, it's to scale. Note that with the graphics cards available, driving 4 Apple 30" at full res from a single G5 is currently not possible.

[~Shard~]

Not exactly a PB 12" but this picture shows how an OS X desktop spread across eight 17" monitors with 1280x1024 resolution each (5120x2048 total) would look on different monitors. The sizes are to scale.

Edit: I added 12" and 14" iBook to the picture. Again, it's to scale. Note that with the graphics cards available, driving 4 Apple 30" at full res from a single G5 is currently not possible.

Very cool graphic, thanks for that. It really puts things into perspective!

Now when is Apple going to get off its lazy butt and come out with a card which can drive 4 30" displays? Come on Apple, you know everyone wants and needs that capability... :p ;)

[JakeE]

Not exactly a PB 12" but this picture shows how an OS X desktop spread across eight 17" monitors with 1280x1024 resolution each (5120x2048 total) would look on different monitors. The sizes are to scale.

Edit: I added 12" and 14" iBook to the picture. Again, it's to scale. Note that with the graphics cards available, driving 4 Apple 30" at full res from a single G5 is currently not possible.

I have been thinking about the idea of four 30" displays.

You could just have two G5s each with a 6800 card, and have a KVM switcher that you just have the keyboard and mouse hooked up to. It may not be the most convenient way to do it but it would work.

Also you would probably want to put all four 30" LCDs on articulating wall mounts. This way you could have the bottom two panels kissing the table bottom. This would bring down the top monitors by four inches.

Food for thought.

I saw the 30 display the first day they had it out at the Apple store and all I can say is that it is mind-boggling cool! Just stunning. There is something so right about the 30inch. In my mind this is the way that moniores should have always been.

[ipodmann]

I must say it is an impressive display. Ours came in today and I set it up next to the new 23" and 20" display. Make's that 20 feel like a 12" iBook or something, it was simply amazing.

iJon

Does the display feel like it is too big given the size of the desktop?

I wonder if iPhoto displays the pictures across the whole screen?

[wdlove]

Does the display feel like it is too big given the size of the desktop?

I wonder if iPhoto displays the pictures across the whole screen?

IMHO it's just the right size for most desktops.

It would be a matter of resizing the iPhoto window so that it will cover more real estate.

[smack416]

This can't be true, as worded, because NVidia doesn't make graphics cards. They let their partners make graphics cards. They may be having a hard time supplying the chips for the cards (but they are the same chips that PC users get, so I doubt it), but if any other aspect of the card was the hold-up, then it was Apple's fault, not NVidia...

It took my friend 3 months to get his Alienware (about 2 weeks ago) as he was waiting for the 6800. It is definitely NVidia that was the holdup.