New PowerMacs 8/13/02

[arn]

Various reports have been coming in confirming the announcements of new PowerMacs tommorrow by Apple. As well as one unconfirmed report of price drops on the new machines. (take with a grain of salt) Apple/Ingram has discontinued the current line of PowerMacs.

Jaguar also appears to be ready for public use -- Xlr8yourmac.com (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com) posted a reader report that a new iBook came with a copy of Jaguar.

[drastik]

Whooo-Hooo, oh man I can't wait.

PS I know the head of Ingram Industries, he lives here in Nashville and is an old friend, I called him this morning to ask, but no call back. He's probably playing Polo in Miami anyway.

[firewire2001]

that would be a pretty cool incentive - buy a powermac, and get jaguar earlier... i guess its more like a gimic.. but whatever...

[cyberfunk]

I NEED A NEW POWERMAC NOW!!!!

First Post !!

When do these suckers SHIP?? I want it, NOW ! NOW NOW NOW!

[BJNY]

I hope that price drops don't mean that the new towers will be underwhelming:(

[cyberfunk]

I need those price drops too, I need a new college computer, and I need it to ROCK HARD.

[iGav]

I was having another dizzyingly blonde day today...... up until lunch time, I was under the impression today was the 13th........ then I realised that I'd lost a day, and infact it's only the 12th.... that means I have to wait another day..... you can't imagine how that makes me feel....... :(

[Wes]

I can't wait! What time about?

[Megaquad]

00:00 AM Cupertino time,right? What time is it in CET?

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by iGAV
I was having another dizzyingly blonde day today...... up until lunch time, I was under the impression today was the 13th........ then I realised that I'd lost a day, and infact it's only the 12th.... that means I have to wait another day..... you can't imagine how that makes me feel....... :(


Personally, if the macs hadnt come out by this time tomorrow, I'd feel really WORRIED, like, where the hell are they? they are coming today, right ?? RIGHT ???

So, I'd be more relieved.

[Mr.Hey]

OMG OMG OMG ........bring it ON!!!! 10th POST..HEHEHE

[billiam0878]

I would love to see the PowerMac line start at $1499-- though it's only a $100 price drop, $1499 has a much nicer ring than $1599. Maybe Apple will introduce computer-display bundle pricing; that would be very nice as well.


Bill

[awrc]

Originally posted by BJNY
I hope that price drops don't mean that the new towers will be underwhelming:(

Not necessarily - the switch to DDR could mean a drop in memory cost, for example.

Looking forward to finding out anyway - no new PowerMac for me for at least a year, but I'm happy for those who'll be buying them. Jealous too, but mainly happy :D

Of course, once the new PowerMacs debut, we're not going to have any decent rumors to speculate on for quite a while.

[jrbohorquezg]

Originally posted by Megaquad
00:00 AM Cupertino time,right? What time is it in CET?

I don't think they'll announce them at 12:00 am PST (LA time). They ususally announce early morning (like 8:00 am) EST (NY time)

[sirion]

So what time is 0:00 Cupertino time? :)

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by awrc


Not necessarily - the switch to DDR could mean a drop in memory cost, for example.

.........

Of course, once the new PowerMacs debut, we're not going to have any decent rumors to speculate on for quite a while.

First, Sorry to pop your happy bubble, but DDR costs significantly more than PC 133 style memory.. which is sorta annoying, but I'll pay for it easily !

Screw new rumors, I want my powermac, and I want it now.

[saabmp3]

Well, my brand spankin new Powerbook only has 10.1.4 on it. I'm still going to wait for 10.2. But HOLY ***** this thing is BEAUTIFUL. Everybody at the office is boucing off the walls about it.

BEN

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by jrbohorquezg


I don't think they'll announce them at 12:00 am PST (LA time). They ususally announce early morning (like 8:00 am) EST (NY time)


FYI, 8 AM EST = 5 AM PST, so it's more likely it'll be like 12 PM to 5 PM EST, as thats 8AM to 2 PM PST

Apple runs on PST, I'm pretty sure. Means longer wait for us on the east.

[giovanni]

oh well - I am ready, just wondering if Apple really is ? we are about to find out indeed . It shall be a long night. If nothing happens tomorrow 3 things will happen for me: first I will buy an iMac 17" (which is plenty of power for me in reality - but I was ready to buy a kick ass top of the line PM); second I will be astonished as to how clueless everyone is about Apple; and third I won't be able to justify anymore Apple desktop's pathetic perfomance wrt intel/amd systems. So for those who need up to date "performance" I would not blame them for switching. And how could Apple continue with its "switching campaign"?

However, I have to admit I am optimistic - I conitue to think of SJ et all at MWNY saying many times how many cool things are coming from Apple...

[giovanni]

why everyone is soooooo fixated with DDR ? it seems like lots of bs. Check this out - http://www.barefeats.com/xserve2.html

[iGav]

Originally posted by giovanni
However, I have to admit I am optimistic - I conitue to think of SJ et all at MWNY saying many times how many cool things are coming from Apple...

And then they released .Mac...... :p :p :p

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by cyberfunk



FYI, 8 AM EST = 5 AM PST, so it's more likely it'll be like 12 PM to 5 PM EST, as thats 8AM to 2 PM PST

Apple runs on PST, I'm pretty sure. Means longer wait for us on the east.

If you wanna nitpick times, it will be done by eDt or pDt. The only place in the US on EST right now is Indiana.

[pgwalsh]

I was with a buddy this weekend from Genentech and he said that a coworker was all worked up about Apple shipping him a new G5. Another co worker responed saying, "that they don't have a G5," he said, "that's what they're shipping him." Apparentley Genentech does testing for Apple. I'm not sure if this is a test machine for something to be released in January or one of the new PowerMacs.

I'm also aware that Genentech will be switching to OS X shorty.

How credible is this? I have no idea, but he does have a PhD and he has no reason to tell me otherwise.

[djniche]

Originally posted by saabmp3
Well, my brand spankin new Powerbook only has 10.1.4 on it. I'm still going to wait for 10.2. But HOLY ***** this thing is BEAUTIFUL. Everybody at the office is boucing off the walls about it.

BEN

Hey i Know how it feels - I got my powerbook brand new also last week and i had people eyes that came out of their sockets!! By far the best looking laptop there is and what can be said about its performance. Just Excellent!! :cool:

What model do you have? i have the 667 version

about the powermacs I hope to get one next year and I hope to get a combo of the 22" cinema and a new G4. I'm hoping there will be a new promotion and maybe a new 19" widescreen introduced. This will bring the 22's price down. As for the PM we should see them at 10am eastern time tomorrow

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by IndyGopher


If you wanna nitpick times, it will be done by eDt or pDt. The only place in the US on EST right now is Indiana.

son, what are you smoking ? The whole frikin East COAST is on EST, Boston, NewYork, Florida, not to mention all the other places.. EST = eastern standard time

[Captnroger]

My brand new straight from Apple 17" iMac I picked up at the Apple store on Saturday night did NOT have 10.2 on it. I don't believe this news factoid. Sorry.

Of course, I also could't believe my ears when I the rep at the store Saturday told me that they would not have the 10.2 update available for people that recently purchased the new iMac, and that I would indeed have to get my "free" update via Apple. I know two things, for $20 shipping, they better sent it overnight and I better have it on release day!

[Bonte]

Its not going to be DDR if there is a price drop, thats for sure.

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by giovanni
why everyone is soooooo fixated with DDR ? it seems like lots of bs. Check this out - http://www.barefeats.com/xserve2.html

The problem w/ the xServe is that it's not true DDR, it's DDR to chipset, but then the bandwith between the chipset and the CPU is at slow standard bus speed, if it was DDR speed the whole way thru, which we're hoping they've done, it would rock.

Now, I've asked this before and I'll ask it again.

Does anyone know how we will be able to tell weather the DDR is DDR-->chipset only or DDR to chipset to CPU ? please someone tell me?

[arn]

Originally posted by cyberfunk

Does anyone know how we will be able to tell weather the DDR is DDR-->chipset only or DDR to chipset to CPU ? please someone tell me?

we won't know until the new machines are released

arn

[MacMaster]

hehe...I live like 25 miles from cupertino!:D

[john123]

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by Bonte
Its not going to be DDR if there is a price drop, thats for sure.

Not true... Apple could finnaly have realized it's overpricing it's pro machines ?

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by arn


we won't know until the new machines are released

arn

Yes, but HOW will we know ?

[kenohki]

Originally posted by cyberfunk


son, what are you smoking ? The whole frikin East COAST is on EST, Boston, NewYork, Florida, not to mention all the other places.. EST = eastern standard time

Actually Indiana is the only one on EST. I live in Indiana and we're on EST. Everyone else is on EDT right now because they have Daylight Savings Time and we don't. (Eastern Daylight Time vs. Eastern Standard Time). EST is actually the same as CDT (Central Daylight Time) right now. Until those states with Daylight Savings Time switch back.

[cyberfunk]

Even tho daylight savings time is in effect, everyone still calls it EST

[DaveGee]

Originally posted by cyberfunk


son, what are you smoking ? The whole frikin East COAST is on EST, Boston, NewYork, Florida, not to mention all the other places.. EST = eastern standard time

Don't they teach ANYTHING in school anymore?

Homework for tonight: Learn the difference between daylight and standard time and then as a bonus tell us when day light savings is...

[kenohki]

Originally posted by cyberfunk
Even tho daylight savings time is in effect, everyone still calls it EST

Yeah, so they may. I know it's a little technicality. And it seems stupid that it actually is that way. For us it's a big deal though because we even have parts of our own state that are on CDT vs being on EST. When states that are on CDT switch back to CST, part of our state changes but the rest of us stay on EST and are then in sync with the states that were on EDT that switched back to EST. Makes it very confusing.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that that one guy wasn't totally out of his gourd.

[edenwaith]

August 13 seems to make sense. I was talking with a person who was interested in buying an 800 MHz G4 PowerMac. I warned her that the new models were coming out very soon, but she wanted to go for the deal since she could get $300 off of a 17" flat panel display, and that offer ends the 13th, I believe. So, it looks like the end of that offer might herald the release date of the new Macs.

In some ways, it would have been nicer if Apple had announced the new G4's at the NY Expo, but I'm guessing that if they had done that, they might have ended up sacrificing their current Pro line-up, which wouldn't be good for their sales, especially since the higher priced machines tend to bring in a much higher profit.

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by kenohki


Yeah, so they may. I know it's a little technicality. And it seems stupid that it actually is that way. For us it's a big deal though because we even have parts of our own state that are on CDT vs being on EST. When states that are on CDT switch back to CST, part of our state changes but the rest of us stay on EST and are then in sync with the states that were on EDT that switched back to EST. Makes it very confusing.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that that one guy wasn't totally out of his gourd.

Thanks for pointing that out, I had forgotten about that weirdity.. that must be a real pain in the ass at times.

[macsurfer]

Ummmm What are YOU smoking. Mister, the whole East Coast is currently on EDT that's EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME. EST will return at the end of October. Geezus. Get your facts straight.

P.S. Arizona also does not observe daylight savings time.

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by cyberfunk
Even tho daylight savings time is in effect, everyone still calls it EST

That is so totally wrong and false it's too funny. When daylight savings time is in effect, it is known as DAYLIGHT TIME. When it is NOT, it is known as STANDARD TIME. Good GOD.

[chromos]

Originally posted by cyberfunk
Even tho daylight savings time is in effect, everyone still calls it EST

Sorry, I'm afraid you're incorrect. PDT, MDT, CDT, and EDT are standard nomenclature for the time zones when Daylight Savings is in effect. Take a look at this site (http://www.worldtimezone.net/time-usa1.htm).

[sneed]

Originally posted by arn
...Jaguar also appears to be ready for public use -- Xlr8yourmac.com (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com) posted a reader report that a new iBook came with a copy of Jaguar.

At the new Apple Store in Los Angeles last weekend, the rep told me that their shipment of the 17 inch iMacs all had 10.2 installed, and that they would go on the floor this week.

BTW, The store was packed. There was a waiting line for nearly every display on both floors!

[CTYankee]

I was with a buddy this weekend from Genentech and he said that a coworker was all worked up about Apple shipping him a new G5. Another co worker responed saying, "that they don't have a G5," he said, "that's what they're shipping him." Apparentley Genentech does testing for Apple. I'm not sure if this is a test machine for something to be released in January or one of the new PowerMacs.


Steve Jobs and the CEO of Genetech are neighbors. Apparently the CEO is sold and keeps trying to push the entire company over to macs. There is a lot of reisitance to this (as you would expect from a bunch of corporate PC users). How deep this working relationship goes is a good question. I remember reading they use macs to do some pretty extensive number crunching for their research. Does this mean they get first look at the new stuff to see how much better it is and how well it handles real world heavy use?

I know a higher up in Genetech and I can ask what he knows. I doubt he'll have anything b/c he is here in CT and not in the CA labs. He's also one of the guys who does not like the CEO's push to use Macs. But if he happens to have any laying around the office, I may have to stop by to say hi with my spycam ;)

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by DaveGee


Don't they teach ANYTHING in school anymore?

Homework for tonight: Learn the difference between daylight and standard time and then as a bonus tell us when day light savings is...

Unfortunately they don't. It's amazing. People get all the way to college and don't know these things. I met this photographer who was hired by FEMA to shoot pictures of the WTC disaster site. He said how he had never heard of FEMA. He's like 30 frigging years old, and American. HELLO????? Has this guy never read the news his whole life?

[Microsift]

Originally posted by cyberfunk


son, what are you smoking ? The whole frikin East COAST is on EST, Boston, NewYork, Florida, not to mention all the other places.. EST = eastern standard time

Actually, you are the pinhead who's smoking something. The "Standard" in Eastern Standard Time is meant to differentiate Eastern Standard Time from Eastern Daylight Time.

I assume you know what Daylight Savings Time is. (and yes, the "Daylight" in Eastern Daylight Time means that the time is given with the Daylight Savings adjustment.

also, it's friggin' not "frikin"

[Horne]

OK.

How does this affect us in Britain? Will PowerMacs be released here before an announcement in the US?
Or do we have to wait until something like 4pm before we see the specs.
My mate wants his iBook back soon, and I need a PowerMac asap, 'moan Apple!!!

[macsurfer]

LOL

[macsurfer]

You will know in Britain the same time everyone else does. On the apple.com website. Probably arond 12:00 pm or later, EDT. That means 5:00 pm or later, in Britain.

[Capt. Obvious]

Originally posted by CTYankee
Steve Jobs and the CEO of Genetech are neighbors.
You're thinking of Arthur Levinson, maybe? Member of Apple's board of directors? Just bought 50,000 shares of Apple last week?

THAT CEO of Genentech?

;)

[chubakka]

08/12/02) : Breaking News on New PowerMacs was leaked to yourdailymac.com early this morning. And we are posting the stats that we recieved below. So if you have any feedback or comments be sure to email us.

Fast:
1.2 GHz G4
512 MB DDR RAM (finally!)
60 GB HD
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4MX 64 MB DDR
$1599

Faster:
1.4 GHz G4
512 MB DDR RAM
80 GB HD
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4MX 64 MB
$2199

Fastest:
Dual 1.6 GHz G4
1 GB DDR RAM
120 GB HD
SuperDrive
ATI Radeon 9700 128 MB
$2999

Build-to-order options:
Up to 4 GB DDR RAM
Ultra160 SCSI
nVidia GeForce4MX (standard), nVidia GeForce4 Ti ($150 more), ATI Radeon 9700 ($150 more), or Matrox Parhelia ($250 more)
Zip drive
AppleCare
All systems include:
Gigabit Ethernet
GigaWire (1394b)
USB 2.0
AGP 8x
PCI-X 133 MB/sec
56k modem
AirPort ready
Bluetooth built-in
New "snow" case (similar to spy photos)
DynaCool turbine cooling

ALSO... POWERBOOKS GETTING DDR!!!

[cyberfunk]

Appears I'm started a flame war against me.. now, people, read between the lines in my last post : I'm sorry , I was wrong.

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by chubakka
08/12/02) : Breaking News on New PowerMacs was leaked to yourdailymac.com early this morning. And we are posting the stats that we recieved below. So if you have any feedback or comments be sure to email us.




FU(KING A !!! , IF THOSE ARE THE SPECS, I'm gonna hafta find another 500 $ somewhere so I can get the "FASTEST" model !!!!!

[twelve]

About two months ago the owner/founder of pitchforkmedia.com slipped into an article that his computer right now was a tester G5.

12
http://www.thecolortvs.com

[CTYankee]

Originally posted by Capt. Obvious

You're thinking of Arthur Levinson, maybe? Member of Apple's board of directors? Just bought 50,000 shares of Apple last week?

THAT CEO of Genentech?

;)

I don't see him listed as buying 50,000 shares, but certainly don't doubt it. Seems like it would make sense to let them play with new stuff. But it seems more likely that Apple will follow true to themselves and keep anything new a big secret.

[giovanni]

there no such news on yourdailymac.com

[macsurfer]

Yes there is I just read it.

[giovanni]

sorry - no I see them (one needs to push refresh a million times on these ********g windows crackers).

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by giovanni
there no such news on yourdailymac.com

Yes there is, it's front page.

If those are the specs, it seems an Awfully good deal for the jump from the mid-range to the high end.. I mean, going from SINGLE 1.4 to DUAL 1.6, THEN adding the Radeon? thats GOT to cost more than 500.

[bbarnhart]

Originally posted by giovanni
there no such news on yourdailymac.com

It is there with near 1/2 price off LCD monitors and new PowerBook specs. However, I think it is bogus.

[CTYankee]

Breaking News on New PowerMacs was leaked to yourdailymac.com early this morning. And we are posting the stats that we recieved below.

You may want to include the rest of the text that includes the following.....

"Keep in mind that these stats may not be totally accurate and you shouldnt base your purchase on the stats we provide. Also the stats we provide are purely speculation."

If there is any question as to the fact that these numbers are made up to generate web traffic, look up "purely speculation" in the dictionary.

[cyberfunk]

Not to mention the 512 Ram Jump AND the Hard drive.. how are they doing that for 500 ? it sounds like a REALLY good deal.. these specs sound Like what I can get on the PC side, which makes me REALLY HAPPY.

[johndz]

Originally posted by chubakka
08/12/02) : Breaking News on New PowerMacs was leaked to yourdailymac.com early this morning. And we are posting the stats that we recieved below. So if you have any feedback or comments be sure to email us.

Fast:
1.2 GHz G4
512 MB DDR RAM (finally!)
60 GB HD
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4MX 64 MB DDR
$1599

Faster:
1.4 GHz G4
512 MB DDR RAM
80 GB HD
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4MX 64 MB
$2199

Fastest:
Dual 1.6 GHz G4
1 GB DDR RAM
120 GB HD
SuperDrive
ATI Radeon 9700 128 MB
$2999

Build-to-order options:
Up to 4 GB DDR RAM
Ultra160 SCSI
nVidia GeForce4MX (standard), nVidia GeForce4 Ti ($150 more), ATI Radeon 9700 ($150 more), or Matrox Parhelia ($250 more)
Zip drive
AppleCare
All systems include:
Gigabit Ethernet
GigaWire (1394b)
USB 2.0
AGP 8x
PCI-X 133 MB/sec
56k modem
AirPort ready
Bluetooth built-in
New "snow" case (similar to spy photos)
DynaCool turbine cooling

ALSO... POWERBOOKS GETTING DDR!!!

Show me the boxes!
Then I will believe.

[giovanni]

I simply don't believe it - especially the news on the new pricing for the monitors - simple case of "too good to be true". Really: no f***g way.
What are your thoughts ?

[Horne]

dunno, seems a lot for the bucks!

There will be a lot of happy people if its true though....

[chubakka]

well I just recently read that Flat Panel prices were going to drop because
now there's a surplus... with the PC slump comes some benefits.

I wonder if the new 19" will be a widescreen.

[ImAlwaysRight]

Originally posted by chubakka
08/12/02) : Breaking News on New PowerMacs was leaked to yourdailymac.com early this morning. And we are posting the stats that we recieved below. So if you have any feedback or comments be sure to email us.

Looks to me like some little boy had a wet dream last night. No way is this information true. Apple would never upgrade so much at one time. New PowerMacs from 1.2-1.6GHz; new displays at drastically reduced prices; Powerbooks upgraded AGAIN, this time with faster speed and DDR! And then to suggest the pricing will be lower than the current PowerMacs. HAH! Suckers. No way. yourdailymac.com is accomplishing one thing -- increasing the hits on its website.

[Captnroger]

Originally posted by sneed


At the new Apple Store in Los Angeles last weekend, the rep told me that their shipment of the 17 inch iMacs all had 10.2 installed, and that they would go on the floor this week.

BTW, The store was packed. There was a waiting line for nearly every display on both floors!


The rep was WRONG. The Demo 17" on the floor had 10.2 installed, the machines they sold did NOT!
:rolleyes:

[Captnroger]

Originally posted by chubakka
08/12/02) : Breaking News on New PowerMacs was leaked to yourdailymac.com early this morning. And we are posting the stats that we recieved below. So if you have any feedback or comments be sure to email us.

Fast:
1.2 GHz G4
512 MB DDR RAM (finally!)
60 GB HD
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4MX 64 MB DDR
$1599

Faster:
1.4 GHz G4
512 MB DDR RAM
80 GB HD
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4MX 64 MB
$2199

Fastest:
Dual 1.6 GHz G4
1 GB DDR RAM
120 GB HD
SuperDrive
ATI Radeon 9700 128 MB
$2999


Yeah and I say this is all bullpuckie. Current entry is a G4/800 with 40gb, CD/RW, ATI 7500 and what, 128MB RAM? You trying to tell me they up'd it to a 1.2ghz, 512MB DDR, 60GB SUPERDRIVE and Geforce 4mx for the same price? Right...

Sounds alot like someone running their mouth off to me...
:rolleyes:

[drone139]

I was at the Apple store here in Columbus over the weekend and they had a 17" iMac running Jaguar. Unfortunatly I didn't have much time to check it out completely but it did have spring loaded folders and Sherlock was like Watson....
What a nice surprise!

[NMR Guy]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I was with a buddy this weekend from Genentech and he said that a coworker was all worked up about Apple shipping him a new G5. Another co worker responed saying, "that they don't have a G5," he said, "that's what they're shipping him." Apparentley Genentech does testing for Apple. I'm not sure if this is a test machine for something to be released in January or one of the new PowerMacs.

I'm also aware that Genentech will be switching to OS X shorty.

How credible is this? I have no idea, but he does have a PhD and he has no reason to tell me otherwise.

Most of the Macs here (at Genentech) have already been switched over to OS X. Most beige machines have been trashed. The switch is causing quite a bit of confusion to the average users, who don't necessarily know that X is really a different OS, and not just a pregressive improvement like 7 --> 8 --> 9

I'm guessing that Genentech probably got an advanced look at hardware like the XServe, but I doubt anyone doing research in the labs ever gets anything but standard issue Apple hardware. Right now, if you need a new desktop and ask for a Mac, you have the choice of a 700 MHz iMac, or an 800 MHz G4 tower.

Steve Jobs and the CEO of Genetech are neighbors. Apparently the CEO is sold and keeps trying to push the entire company over to macs. There is a lot of reisitance to this (as you would expect from a bunch of corporate PC users). How deep this working relationship goes is a good question. I remember reading they use macs to do some pretty extensive number crunching for their research. Does this mean they get first look at the new stuff to see how much better it is and how well it handles real world heavy use?

I know a higher up in Genetech and I can ask what he knows. I doubt he'll have anything b/c he is here in CT and not in the CA labs. He's also one of the guys who does not like the CEO's push to use Macs. But if he happens to have any laying around the office, I may have to stop by to say hi with my spycam

Well, it's not really true that there's a big push to use Macs here. The overall percentage of Macs in the Mac/PC mix is going down. A few years back, speciallized apps used to be spread around pretty well between PC/Mac/SGI/Sun. The trend in the scientific industry now is for these apps to be mostly Windows based.

[barkmonster]

I hope we see some Drastic price reductions in the UK!

In the past, regardless of which model you compare prices on, it's only worked out at about $100 or so more over here, something I've put down to fluctuating exchange rates and/or duty payments.

Fast : £1350.98 (£1149 excl. VAT) / US equivelent : $1,751.76 * ( + $152.76 )

Faster : £1996.33 (£1699 excl. VAT) / US equivelent : $2,590.29 * ( + $291.29 )

Fastest : £2583.83 (£2199 excl. VAT) / US equivelent : $3,352.59 * ( + $353.59 )

Ultimate : £3535.58 (£3009 excl. VAT) / US equivelent : $4,587.52 * ( + $488.52 )

* The prices of the current range on the UK Apple Store according to the Financial Times Currency Converter (http://mwprices.ft.com/custom/ft-com/currency.asp) at 8.30pm GMT today

Even if we don't see a reduction in the US retail prices, I expect one in the UK taking into account the Dollar value.

$2199 for the mid range seems a steal to me, I'd probably be paying the equivelent of $2500 for it even before VAT and I wouldn't be happy with anything I've overpaid for. No matter how powerful, stylish or useful to me it might be.

I have to say this though...

"mmmm... dual 1.6Ghz G4 with DDR" <- Homer Simpson voice

[sneed]

Originally posted by Captnroger



The rep was WRONG. The Demo 17" on the floor had 10.2 installed, the machines they sold did NOT!
:rolleyes:

Right or Wrong, there is nothing that he said that is contradicted by your experience. You purchased your iMac this weekend, he told me this weekend that they had recieved them, and would be selling them this week.

[Over Achiever]

(08/12/02) : And Finally Breaking News on New Powerboks was leaked to yourdailymac.com early this morning. And we are posting the stats that we recieved below.

Fast:
800 MHz G4
256 MB DDR RAM
40 GB HD
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 7500 64 MB
15.2" screen
$2399

Fastest:
1 GHz G4
512 MB DDR RAM
60 GB HD
SuperDrive
ATI Radeon 7500 64 MB
15.2" screen
$2999

Build-to-order options:
Up to 2 GB DDR RAM
SuperDrive ($200 more than Combo)
AppleCare
Standard features:
Gigabit Ethernet
GigaWire
USB 2.0
AirPort & Bluetooth built-in
new black Titanium case (silver BTO)


THIS IS PURE B.S.!!!
Why? This is saying that there is superdrive. Even if apple releases a superdrive, its only an extra 200 bucks? Why don't they just make it standard then? And they're also going to upgrade the ram AND the graphics card. Thats a little too many revisions.

Lets lists the updates:
GIGABIT firewire
USB 2 :eek:
Superdrive
DDRram
Built in bluetooth
Speed increase
New ********* colors? :D

Oh yeah, and the last rev was less than 4 months ago!;)

That said, if apple releases it at that price point, they'll be so friggin' backordered! I'll buy two! :D :D

THIS IS PURE BS!!!

*catches his breath*

sheesh!

[modul8tr]

Well I can only chime in with this info,
There's been a thread at thinksecret.com in the discussions for new hardware.....from a source that claims he obtained knowledge, that the new Macs would top out at 1.6 GHZ. No one believed it initially but now they all seem to.

[modul8tr]

osted: Aug. 01 2002,21:53 __
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Hell, Yeah! _I talked to an Apple Authorised Retailer today and was informed that the G4 Quicksilvers with Dual 1.6Gb Processors will be announced on August 15th. He said the prices of the 800, 933, and Dual 1gig will drop by atleast $200.00 each.



Posted: Aug. 01 2002,23:18 __
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As I was reading through, I remembered a few other things that he said... _The sys bus was going to double from 133 mhz to 266 mhz, and it was also going to use DDR RAM. The top of the line would be the Dual 1.6 gigahertz at around the same price that the dual 1 gig is now. It will come preinstalled _withe 10.2. But the system itself probably wouldn't ship until beg. -> middle of Sept. The guy I talked to was the owner of the biggest Apple Retailer in the State. We buy a lot of equipment from him, and he tends to know about quite a lot before it's released publicly. I just thought I'd be nice this once and share the info. Don't believe me? Wait until August 15th.

[nero007]

Originally posted by Over Achiever


THIS IS PURE B.S.!!!
Why? This is saying that there is superdrive. Even if apple releases a superdrive, its only an extra 200 bucks? Why don't they just make it standard then? And they're also going to upgrade the ram AND the graphics card. Thats a little too many revisions.

Lets lists the updates:
GIGABIT firewire
USB 2 :eek:
Superdrive
DDRram
Built in bluetooth
Speed increase
New ********* colors? :D

Oh yeah, and the last rev was less than 4 months ago!;)

That said, if apple releases it at that price point, they'll be so friggin' backordered! I'll buy two! :D :D

THIS IS PURE BS!!!

*catches his breath*

sheesh!

While the figures that yourdailymac.com posted seem a bit unreasonalble... if you look back at all rumors over the last several months, everything they've posted makes sense. This could mean the hype Apple was spreading about their machine performance increases were true. OR it could mean that someone made all this crap up based on old rumors.

[modul8tr]

I want to make it clear the above statements are NOT mine. This info was posted on thinksecret.com on the hardware intelligence message board, by some guy named XO on August 1st.

Hope the news about the middle range 1.4 GHz is true!!!!

That would rock so hard!!!!

[arn]

Based on what I know, the yourdailymac stats are wrong.

arn

[drastik]

Crap, if those prices are true, and the specs are true as well, I have to stop spending money so I can buy one, hell, I may even stop smoking.

Seems too good though.

[Captnroger]

Originally posted by drone139
I was at the Apple store here in Columbus over the weekend and they had a 17" iMac running Jaguar. Unfortunatly I didn't have much time to check it out completely but it did have spring loaded folders and Sherlock was like Watson....
What a nice surprise!

Drone, yes, that is what I said. And I BOUGHT my 17" imac at the Columbus Apple store Saturday and it did NOT have 10.2 on it.
<see my post titled $19.95 for Jag, what a rip...>

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by arn
Based on what I know, the yourdailymac stats are wrong.

arn

Oh man, dont say stuff like that...

[chubakka]

arn! ya party pooper!

now I'm bummed...

based on what you know... is it even close?

[cyberfunk]

I propose that Arn know jack-shi+ and that we should munity

[TMJ1974]

As much as I'd like to believe it, I don't think those specs are correct. At least, not entirely. Why? I find it very hard to believe Apple would offer USB2.0, at least now - since they are on a big FireWire push. Also, from what I understand, the Radeon 9700 won't be out for a few months. Would Apple really release this as an option when it's not going to be available within a "reasonable" time?

Wow - my first post :)

In any event, I just bought a Quicksilver 733Mhz and that will (have to) do for a year or so. Before I get bashed for buying it just before an update......I got it from CompUSA (no comment) for only $999. I have it booting into OS X v1.5, iTunes 3, 640MB memory.....I'll probably add the Radeon 9000 Pro at the end of the month.

For everyone else, I really hope what you want comes out tomorrow :) I'll get one next year......I'm content with the previous generation for a bargain.....this time. The money I saved, I spent on an iBook 700Mhz/Combo drive. So, I'm happy!

[porovaara]

I hate to tell you guys but with the bus on the current powermac line or even the "DDR" bus on the xserve a dual proc 1.6ghz g4 machine will still be crippled.

Apple doesn't have a raw mhz problem they simply have procs that are absolutely *starved* for bandwith. If this isn't fixed in an update don't expect to see much boost in performance. To check this look at the differences in performance across the g4 line... you will see that "raw" cpu power is falling dramatically as clock speed goes up.

With that said, a dual 1.6ghz box would still be fricken awesome on anything that fit in cache. I would imagine general "feel" would be blistering.

[arn]

Originally posted by cyberfunk
I propose that Arn know jack-shi+ and that we should munity

I don't know the specs of the new machines... but from what I do know, these specs are wrong.

arn

[gopher]

Originally posted by Captnroger


Drone, yes, that is what I said. And I BOUGHT my 17" imac at the Columbus Apple store Saturday and it did NOT have 10.2 on it.
<see my post titled $19.95 for Jag, what a rip...>

Just goes to show you, people aren't happy whatever the pricetag is. Even when it isn't free. With all sorts of bundles offered here: http://www.macprices.com/ and many of those coming from places that charge no tax and some even no shipping the only real ripoff is what happens to those who don't shop around. $20 for Jaguar, he should be glad! I wish I could have paid $20 for Jaguar, though I'm pretty glad there is the government employee discount of $64.50.

[dongmin]

Yourdailymac is yanking our collective chains.

If their "stats" turned out to be true, it could be the greatest day in Mac history since the introduction of the original Mac

But this little blurb at the end of their post bother me:
Keep in mind that these stats may not be totally accurate and you shouldnt base your purchase on the stats we provide. Also the stats we provide are purely speculation.

Regardless of whether they match other rumors or not, it's tooo good to be true...

So Arn, care to share with us what you know?

[onemoof]

Originally posted by Over Achiever


THIS IS PURE B.S.!!!
Why? This is saying that there is superdrive. Even if apple releases a superdrive, its only an extra 200 bucks?

Currently the lower end Power Mac can be updated to a SuperDrive for an extra $200. Granted, this is not a slim SuperDrive, but it's not unreasonable. (Although it does make it appear that they are attempting to make their specs. look more reasonable by copying current upgrade prices)

[ntg]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TMJ1974
[B] Also, from what I understand, the Radeon 9700 won't be out for a few months. Would Apple really release this as an option when it's not going to be available within a "reasonable" time?

Yes - I had to wait over three months for the GForce3 BTO option to actually ship, so there IS a precedent.

Anyway, we'll all know within 24 hours, but isn't this speculation all a part of a rumours web-site??

[Ibjr]

Originally posted by cyberfunk
Not to mention the 512 Ram Jump AND the Hard drive.. how are they doing that for 500 ? it sounds like a REALLY good deal.. these specs sound Like what I can get on the PC side, which makes me REALLY HAPPY.

Son, what have you been smoking? Those specs looking nothing like what you get on the PC Side.

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by arn


I don't know the specs of the new machines... but from what I do know, these specs are wrong.

arn

I'm just kidding, he he he, tho I wish you were wrong, what DO you know arn ? what are you keeping from us ? huh ?? HUH ?>??

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by Ibjr


Son, what have you been smoking? Those specs looking nothing like what you get on the PC Side.

No, no, I mean they match up with the best stuff from the PC side.. for very very good prices

[MacArtist]

If Apple does announce the new PowerMacs tomorrow, I'd say that it would be by 9:00am earliest, 10:00am latest eastern. This is time enough for either the trading floors or the east coast Apple Store openings.

As for the specs on yourdailymac.com, while they may be nothing but BS, would make a lot of people extremely happy if true.

I personally will be up bright and early tomorrow checking the Apple site. And will be buying a rev.b DDR PowerMac next year.

[chubakka]

New Power Mac G4 systems to be unveiled tomorrow with speeds up to 1.25GHz

August 12 - 16:33 EDT__Apple will unveil new Power Mac G4 systems tomorrow, MacMinute has learned. Sources inform us that three configurations will be offered: dual-867MHz (US$1,699), dual-1GHz ($2,499), and dual-1.25GHz ($3,299). The dual-1GHz and dual-1.25GHz models will feature ATI Radeon 9000 series graphics cards; additional system-specific details are not available. The dual-867MHz configuration is slated to ship by the end of the week, while the new dual-1GHz model will ship towards the end of the month. Availability of the high-end dual-1.25GHz model is being pegged at sometime in September. Current Power Mac G4 systems will be reduced in price as follows: 800MHz ($1,299), 933MHz ($1,499) and dual-1GHz ($2,199). Additionally, Apple will introduce a SuperDrive-equipped eMac for $1,499, sources say, and will reduce the price of CD-RW and Combo Drive iMacs by $100 to $1,299 and $1,499, respectively.

uhg... a bit less impressive...

is this what you know ARN?!

[Ibjr]

Originally posted by cyberfunk


I'm just kidding, he he he, tho I wish you were wrong, what DO you know arn ? what are you keeping from us ? huh ?? HUH ?>??

I think he’s keeping his mastery of English away from you. With you EST and EDT mistake, It appears that even your teachers kept knowledge away from you.

International Baccalaureate Junior

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by MacArtist
If Apple does announce the new PowerMacs tomorrow, I'd say that it would be by 9:00am earliest, 10:00am latest eastern. This is time enough for either the trading floors or the east coast Apple Store openings.

I have to disagree here, Apple runs on CA time, which would mean they'd be up @ 6 to 7 AM to annouce at those times.

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by Ibjr


I think he’s keeping his mastery of English away from you. With you EST and EDT mistake, It appears that even your teachers kept knowledge away from you.

International Baccalaureate Junior

Hey now, I can speak english perfectly well, thank you very much.



Me fail english? thats unpossible ! --- Ralph

[cyberfunk]

The Macminute report sounds accurate... so, should I get the midrange Dual Ghz and downgrade from the superdrive and upgrade the Radeon, or get the Dusl 867 , and overrclock ? What should I do ??? What annoys me is there is no mention of DDR ram...... I would be REALLY pissed if there was no DDR ram

[Ibjr]

Originally posted by cyberfunk
The Macminute report sounds accurate... so, should I get the midrange Dual Ghz and downgrade from the superdrive and upgrade the Radeon, or get the Dusl 867 , and overrclock ? What should I do ??? What annoys me is there is no mention of DDR ram...... I would be REALLY pissed if there was no DDR ram

you use the Mac for normal stuff and use VNC to a cheap $500 PC for compiling, rendering, and encoding.

[cyberfunk]

Originally posted by Ibjr


you use the Mac for normal stuff and use VNC to a cheap $500 PC for compiling, rendering, and encoding.


Dont have that kinda money.

[peterh]

Originally posted by IndyGopher


If you wanna nitpick times, it will be done by eDt or pDt. The only place in the US on EST right now is Indiana.

Yup, known to those along the Ohio border as "slow time". Ohio is on "fast time"

[G4scott]

Originally posted by Over Achiever
THIS IS PURE B.S.!!!
Why? This is saying that there is superdrive. Even if apple releases a superdrive, its only an extra 200 bucks? Why don't they just make it standard then? And they're also going to upgrade the ram AND the graphics card. Thats a little too many revisions.

That's too many revisions? In my opinion, it's not nearly enough. Apple desperately needs to catch up with the speeds of pee-cee's, and they're not going to do it by having a 200mhz jump every 6 months. If the pee-cee industry could advance so quickly, who's to say that Apple can't?

[Ibjr]

Originally posted by cyberfunk



Dont have that kinda money.

Its $500, i'm saying you buy a cheaper mac (not the fastest) then all CPU hevy stuff is done on the PC. Do you not have a mac now?

[G4scott]

Originally posted by Ibjr
International Baccalaureate Junior

So, that means you do more work than normal high school juniors, but does that make you more intelligent? I have friends in the IB program, and they seem to have no life. No offense to you, but I hate people who flaunt their IB status, thinking that they're smarter than the rest of us...

Anyways, back on topic...

The MacMinute predictions seem more realistic, and the price drops may be just to please people who will be angry since they didn't get a dual 1.6 ghz G4...

[barkmonster]

I really hope we see something better than 1.25Ghz. That means that since the Voyager (PPC7450) macs were released, every update since has been predicted within weeks by someone over clocking the highest rated model :

2001 : 733 OC'd to 867
2001 : 867 OC'd to 1Ghz
2002 : 1Ghz OC'd to 1.2Ghz
2002 : ?

I wonder if motorola are going to release a revision of the G4 that has the same almost 50% speed bump we got when the Voyager chip came out ?

500MHz increased to 733Mhz would have been about as believable at the time as 1Ghz increased to 1.4 or even 1.6Ghz as some have claimed (without any proof).

To me, what apple release this month defines what I can expect from my next mac, a 1Ghz - Dual 1.25Ghz lineup would mean I'd have to buy a brand new mac when I have the cash next year. A line up with a single 1.2Ghz as the mid range or low end now gives me a very good chance that by the time I have about £1,100 I could pick up an end of life model from the range released this month instead of waiting for them to bring out a 1.2Ghz model next year and spending £1,350 on it (assuming both the low end is going to be 1.2Ghz and Apple are going to carry on overcharging in the UK).

I've had my 300Mhz G3 for over 4 years, the combined cost of the mac, modem, monitor, VRAM upgrade and CD writer is more than £1700.

I know I can get the current entry level model for under £1,300 at some places and it has all the extras I've bought for my mac plus firewire/USB, faster RAM, faster HD controller, faster graphics hardware and more expansion slots.

The problem I have with buying a mac that isn't 1.2Ghz+ with DDR is that with the current motherboard, and after over 4 years, the main application I use only performs 2.5 times faster than my 300Mhz Beige G3. I need more of a performance increase than that if I'm going to shell out over a grand on a new mac. I got my G3 in early '98, around the time the ugly blue G4s with the yo-yo mouse came out. It's not worth buying a new one 5 years later in early 2003 unless I get something that performs aswell as 5 years progress should.

[arogge]

Originally posted by cyberfunk


son, what are you smoking ? The whole frikin East COAST is on EST, Boston, NewYork, Florida, not to mention all the other places.. EST = eastern standard time

No, it isn't. Most states in the U.S. observe Daylight Savings Time. Unfortunately, not all states observe DST. The solution is quite simple: learn how to use Universal Time. Under this system, there are no time zones and no DST. No matter where on Earth you happen to be, the time is always the same. A conference call scheduled for 1200 hours in Washington, D.C. is the same call scheduled in California at 1200 hours. I hope that there is a call like this today (yes, today is officially Tuesday) from Apple headquarters to its stores: "Set up the new PowerMacs!"

[Over Achiever]

Originally posted by arogge


No, it isn't. Most states in the U.S. observe Daylight Savings Time. Unfortunately, not all states observe DST. The solution is quite simple: learn how to use Universal Time. Under this system, there are no time zones and no DST. No matter where on Earth you happen to be, the time is always the same. A conference call scheduled for 1200 hours in Washington, D.C. is the same call scheduled in California at 1200 hours. I hope that there is a call like this today (yes, today is officially Tuesday) from Apple headquarters to its stores: "Set up the new PowerMacs!"

*sigh*

not the arguments about the stupid time zones again...GIVE IT A REST!

(sorry, just got a little pi$$ed):mad:

I was explained somewhere in the thread, and if you took the time to read it, you'll find it.

Now, now, no flamin' me.:D

[GetSome681]

Originally posted by G4scott


So, that means you do more work than normal high school juniors, but does that make you more intelligent? I have friends in the IB program, and they seem to have no life. No offense to you, but I hate people who flaunt their IB status, thinking that they're smarter than the rest of us...


No kidding...I was in IB (now graduated from college), and I used to hate and HIDE the fact that I was in IB b/c there were so many friggin' tools and retards. Didn't want myself to be associated with them.

Also, someone previously mentioned it had only been 4 months since the last revision? Now what are they smoking!! The last rev PMacs were released a few weeks after MWSF, still in January I believe. That's like 6-7 months ago!!! With that much of a wait, APPLE pile on the upgrades!!! I'm just hoping for more than one dual configuration.

[Over Achiever]

Originally posted by GetSome681

Also, someone previously mentioned it had only been 4 months since the last revision? Now what are they smoking!! The last rev PMacs were released a few weeks after MWSF, still in January I believe. That's like 6-7 months ago!!! With that much of a wait, APPLE pile on the upgrades!!! I'm just hoping for more than one dual configuration.

I was smokin' some real good stuff...:D

NO! If you had read my friggin' post, I was specifically talking about the powerbooks!

Ok...still, I don't see apple piling on updates like that. I don't mind having loads of updates and the prices cut...but thats just a dream, right?

[fallt]

Dear All,

As of 1.20 pm GMT:

"We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour."

This is the usual message that goes up indicating changes afoot...

Best,

Chris