Aliens on the Moon?

[MacAztec]

I think so...
I just did a little research online, and some commong knowledge.

Here is my thinking.

Why did NASA cancel the last Apollo Moon Mission? Everything was go, rocket built, but it was just suddenly stopped....

Why don't we visit the moon again? I believe that we saw something on the moon that told us not to come back, and I believe that the species was mining crystal on the moon, just do research....

Why dont we set up a station on the dark side of the moon for viewing? We have the hubble telescope, but IMO an actually station on the moon, which gets NO sunlight, would be a much greater viewing area. And since there is no transmission to earth from the dark side, send a rebounding satellite into orbit!

I read about quite a few people in australia that saw the uncut moon footage. Since we had a satellite over Australlia, rebounding the signal from the dark side, that is probly why....

They said that them and their friends saw and heard different things. They heard the Astronauts saying how "huge and amazing" Luna is (Luna is supposedly the codename for the alien mining base on the Moon)

If the moon is part of the Pacific Ocean, that means there is valuable minerals there, so there can be mining.

Neil Armstrong supposedly said that the aliens send small ships to earth for probing, but the motherships are on the moon, and are far ahead of our technology....

I really believe there is something on the moon. Why not go back? Why not send the last Apollo, it was already built, they just were told not to send it.

What do you think? Do some research on Google under "Apollo Moon Landing Aliens" and you can read some pretty cool stuff

[job]

I've also heard rumors of all those ill-fated Mars missions in which the satellites were destroyed or just "quit working..."

Hmmm....very interesting.

And the information obtained from the Mars Observer to this day still remains classified....

[Dignan]

I'm waiting for the punchline...or you to acknowledge this as a joke...

[Durandal7]

Money, money, money. Luna was boring and unprofitable, basically a giant asteroid. A telescope on the other side of Luna would be fine but NASA simply does not have the budget for it.

BTW Luna is the real name of the moon, hence the term Lunar.

[rainman::|:|]

The problem of drug abuse is far more widespread than one imagines.

:)
pnw

[MacAztec]

No joke here.

Why is it that the...what is it like 3-4 missions to mars have all just "lost contact."

remember the one with the balls that were supposed to crash into the soil and take samples? Lost contact...

The satellite? Who knows!!!

Atleast with a friggin moon base, we know we wont lose contact....or will we?

So, can you tell me why we dont go back? Rocket nowadays would cost less, for it would be smaller, small computers, more high tech, less fuel....etc.....

Why??

[firewire2001]

Originally posted by MacAztec
No joke here.

Why is it that the...what is it like 3-4 missions to mars have all just "lost contact."

remember the one with the balls that were supposed to crash into the soil and take samples? Lost contact...

The satellite? Who knows!!!

Atleast with a friggin moon base, we know we wont lose contact....or will we?

So, can you tell me why we dont go back? Rocket nowadays would cost less, for it would be smaller, small computers, more high tech, less fuel....etc.....

Why??

what do you mean "why?"...

like you said../ we have a lotta new technologies now, including technologies that allow us to knopw whats on the dark side of the moon..

whats the point of sending a base up there if we already know whats there?

[Durandal7]

Look at NASA, that is your answer for why we haven't gone back. We haven't left orbit for over 20 years and have these shuttles that are falling apart. NASA cancelled the project to replace the shuttle when it was 90% done. The government spends massive amounts of money but none on NASA because it is not an active political issue. The theory that the moon is a former part of the Earth is in dobut, there is no evidence of valuable minerals there. NASA lacks funding and initiative.

[MacAztec]

What technology do we have that shows us what IS on the dark side of the moon? If we have the money to send John Glen into space, we should be able to go to the moon.

Whats on the dark side? People say aliens....can someone do a little research online?

[Durandal7]

This is as simple as I can explain it:
In the 1960's NASA got money becuase politicians supported the issue. They supported it because it would get them more votes if they supported it. People would vote for politicians who supported NASA because they wanted to feel superior to the Russians. In present day the average person doesn't really care what NASA does. The politicians can get more votes by supporting issues like Medicare and military spending.

[mmmdreg]

maybe it was just in Australia but they had a documentary very recently about a ceertain conspiracy theory saying the whole moon landings were a massive hoax...all the evidence was pretty damn realistic but the only problem was that it seems stange that everyone involved could keep their mouth shut...
welll supporting the theory, why did the flag blow with no wind?, how did they go through the radiation thing on the way to the moon without anything happening? why did many NASA staff die in unexpected accidents etc...there was plenty more but you get the point..the general drift was that it was filmed in that Area 51 (2, 3??) in the desert where there are craters and all...in the footage, there was even multiple light sources and therefore many shadows...

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by MacAztec
What technology do we have that shows us what IS on the dark side of the moon? If we have the money to send John Glen into space, we should be able to go to the moon.

Oh the inanity and ignorance - The whole moon has been mapped to very high resolution, you can go and see it all if you'd like at nasa.com - and there is no darkside of the moon as you think it to be.

As the moon orbits the earth, one side, the same side is always facing us, so from the ground we can only see one side. The other side isn't in perpetual darkness, otherwise the moon would always be a full moon. When we have a new moon, the other side, facing away from earth is in total sunlight. The moon's day is 28 earth days long.

Now, there is a great little website, which I haven't been able to find in a quick search, but I did find an image - this is a spherical texture map of the whole moon - without shadows. Take any 3d app and wrap this one around it and you'll see all the hidden parts of the moon.

D

[Mr. Anderson]

here's the link with some very high res images of the moon - see if you can find the aliens.....

http://gw.marketingden.com/planets/planets.html

:rolleyes:

[topicolo]

Originally posted by mmmdreg

welll supporting the theory, why did the flag blow with no wind?, how did they go through the radiation thing on the way to the moon without anything happening?

The flag didn't blow, it just stood up because it was held in place by a hidden horizontal bar embedded into the top of the flag and attached to the main flagpole. As for the radiation issue, the exposure wasn't long enough to cause any significant damage.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by mmmdreg
maybe it was just in Australia but they had a documentary very recently about a ceertain conspiracy theory saying the whole moon landings were a massive hoax...all the evidence was pretty damn realistic but the only problem was that it seems stange that everyone involved could keep their mouth shut....

the only evidence here is that there are some people with way too much time on there hands. The amount of money spent on the Apollo project was, well, astronomical. And to say it was all done as a hoax for Cold War issues is going a bit too far.

[el_aarono]

Originally posted by mmmdreg
maybe it was just in Australia but they had a documentary very recently about a ceertain conspiracy theory saying the whole moon landings were a massive hoax...all the evidence was pretty damn realistic but the only problem was that it seems stange that everyone involved could keep their mouth shut...
welll supporting the theory, why did the flag blow with no wind?, how did they go through the radiation thing on the way to the moon without anything happening? why did many NASA staff die in unexpected accidents etc...there was plenty more but you get the point..the general drift was that it was filmed in that Area 51 (2, 3??) in the desert where there are craters and all...in the footage, there was even multiple light sources and therefore many shadows...

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Here is a good website that addresses a show that aired on Fox about the Moon Landing "Hoax". The guy who made the website shoots down every single one of the TV shows claims that the moon landing was faked and has solid reasoning/evidence.

A lot of people think they faked the moon landing to win the cold war. I say, why fake it when you can actually do it?!

Anyway check out this site:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html


el_aarono

[Mr. Anderson]

badastromony.com is one of my favorite science sites. I love the movie/tv reviews. Very nicely done and its become a pretty damn big site, besides, I'm in total agreement with what he's doing. I just wish more people realised it.

D

[iH8Quark]

Okay, MacAztec, I hope you wrote this thread under the influence of some particularly friendly mushrooms.

[iH8Quark]

Originally posted by MacAztec
No joke here.

Why is it that the...what is it like 3-4 missions to mars have all just "lost contact."

remember the one with the balls that were supposed to crash into the soil and take samples? Lost contact...

The satellite? Who knows!!!

Atleast with a friggin moon base, we know we wont lose contact....or will we?

So, can you tell me why we dont go back? Rocket nowadays would cost less, for it would be smaller, small computers, more high tech, less fuel....etc.....

Why??

I can't even get decent cell phone reception ON the planet. Let alone on Mars. Get a grip.

[Dignan]

And come on, id like to see you make a satellite that goes all the way to mars and has no problems. I would expect stuff to go wrong, nasa doesnt have that much cash...

And you think these "aliens" wouldnt try and come over here? send stuff our way besides little pods to probe people? I find it to be complete crap that you could only believe if the mob mentality of these people with way too much time took over my brain.

If you believe that landing on the moon is a hoax....why wont you believe that people saying the moon landing is a hoax, is in fact itself a hoax?

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by Dignan
And come on, id like to see you make a satellite that goes all the way to mars and has no problems.

Give me a couple billion dollars and a team of geniuses and i will

[Dignan]

well, i guess you wont...

because aliens will intercept it

[Mr. Anderson]

You could do if for a lot less than a billion dollars.

I read an article on Space.com about the plans for any manned mission to Mars. In part of it, someone did the rounds 5 years ago, going up to all the multi billionaires - Gates, Turner, etc. to see if they would invest their excesses to a governement/private endeavor to get some one to Mars and back.

It got no where.

[Dignan]

Wanna know why it got no where?

Cause bill gates knows whats on the dark side of the moon.

And ted turner couldnt make a mini series out of it.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by MacAztec
No joke here.

Why is it that the...what is it like 3-4 missions to mars have all just "lost contact."

remember the one with the balls that were supposed to crash into the soil and take samples? Lost contact...

The satellite? Who knows!!!

Atleast with a friggin moon base, we know we wont lose contact....or will we?

So, can you tell me why we dont go back? Rocket nowadays would cost less, for it would be smaller, small computers, more high tech, less fuel....etc.....

Why??

I think I can explain why we've had the crashes and lost contact. A part time C instructor at school checks code for NASA. Unfortunately, we found that he really didn't know how to write code, he just knows how to read it. I have my doubts as to whether he could find logic errors at all. He can only really find the syntactic errors. :D

[Mr. Anderson]

Well the classic case for one of the failed missions to Mars was the units problem - One set of code looked at the elevation in feet and the other in meters. So the rockets fire too late, thinking it was 1000 meters (not sure the exact number here) when it actually was only 1000 feet - what happened was the impact velocity with the surface of the planet was more than the lander could withstand....can you say impact crater?

My guess is that won't happen again. But that still leaves 100s of other things that can go wrong.

D

[mmmdreg]

Originally posted by topicolo


The flag didn't blow, it just stood up because it was held in place by a hidden horizontal bar embedded into the top of the flag and attached to the main flagpole. As for the radiation issue, the exposure wasn't long enough to cause any significant damage.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020720.html shows it to be blowing...i can't seem to think that they would attach it to a curvy bar...

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by mmmdreg

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020720.html shows it to be blowing...i can't seem to think that they would attach it to a curvy bar...

Its a still picture - you don't see it blowing, you don't know what type of material the flag was made of, so its hanging down in a natural manner, crumpled and wrinkled. And if the LEM was taking off, the exhaust from the rockets could make it move a little.

[PCUser]

The astronauts did not fully extend the vertical bar along the top, which gave the flag the appearance of waving. If you look at other photos from different angles and at different times, it has the exact same "waves" in it, which would be impossible if it was waving... an example is this one: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/as11-40-5874.jpg Also, if you look closely at the very top of the flag in this picture you can see that it has pinches in it from not being fully extended.

[jouster]

Do you really think that if they had gone to the trouble to fake it, they would have messed up with the flag?

There are plenty of QT clips that show the bar previously described. Spend a few minutes to find them...

I guess it's just a matter of time before someone brings up the "no visible stars" drivel....

But the whole premise of the thread is drivel - as I suspect the originator knows.

[barkmonster]

Here's what's on The Dark Side of the Moon :

Speak To Me/Breathe
On The Run
Time
The Great Gig In The Sky
Money
Us And Them
Any Color You Like
Brain Damage
Eclipse

As for the moon itself, everyone knows it's made of cheese and the clangers live there :D

[krossfyter]

A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that **** wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

[Megaquad]

krossfyter are you okay?:D

[krossfyter]

hell yeah! im rocking it over here.

[krossfyter]

Origin of the Moon may soon be proven
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/afp/20020805/moon.html

Orbiter to Probe Moon's Origins
AFP
Aug. 6 — The European Space Agency took delivery Tuesday of a little device it hopes will unlock one of our biggest mysteries: is the moon a cleaved-off chunk of planet Earth, or was it a vagabond planetoid that got caught in Earth's gravitational embrace?

Scientists hope the D-CIXS — pronounced "dee-kicks" and standing for Demonstration of a Compact Imaging X-ray Spectrometer — will come up with some answers by creating the first complete high-resolution map of the moon after it is launched early next year.

The 3-kilo (6.6-pound) toaster-sized unit was designed by an international team in Britain and its $2.5-million cost was covered by the ESA, the British National Space Center and Britain's Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council.

The D-CIXS will monitor and record various light-wave readings as it traces an elliptical orbit around the moon that will bring it to within a half a mile of the lunar surface. Its data on magnesium and iron ratios, for example, should provide clues to the moon's origin, while other information will determine whether there are traces of ice at the moon's poles.
There are two main theories about how the moon came to be. One says a huge impact, maybe caused by a meteorite, sheared off a bit of the Earth and sent it spinning off into orbit. The other hypothesizes that a passing body was "grabbed" by Earth's pull.

D-CIXS will conduct its six-month mission from within a satellite to be launched aboard an Ariane-5 rocket from French Guyana in South America next February, called SMART-1, or Small Mission for Advanced Research and Technology.

The project represents Europe's first foray to our natural satellite, which has up to now been the research domain of Russia and especially the United States.

If the technology used in the mission proves successful, it will be used in more ambitious space exploration, including in the BepiColombo probe to Mercury that Europe and Japan plan to launch in 2009.

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by krossfyter
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that **** wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

Dam dawg, thatz ghetto material. You should go on American Idol foo

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by krossfyter

The project represents Europe's first foray to our natural satellite, which has up to now been the research domain of Russia and especially the United States.

This is very cool and I've been watching all moon exploration closely - all the unmanned probes looking for water and such will pave the way for men on the moon again.

Its sometimes hard to believe that the Apollo Moon Landings were over 30 years ago and we still haven't gone back. But its also understandable. Its all a matter of money - once a simple, reusable vehicle is developed that puts people and payloads into orbit at a tenth or less of the the cost of current means, we'll be able to make an effort to go back. The Cold War was the driving factor back in the 60s and now there are many more important things to waste our money on.

My speculation as to what's going to happen is there will be a renaissance in space travel with single stage to orbit reusable space planes. Facilities will be created in Earth orbit to build larger ships, or assemble at first for travel to other planets. I wouldn't be surprised that a trip to the moon will preceed a manned trip to Mars, just so the kinks can be worked out of any systems that are developed for the much longer trip. Which will effectively create a semi-permanent human outpost on the moon. One of my favorite projects is the idea to place a large telescope on the far side of the moon (not the dark side) so that it won't pick up any radio noise from Earth.

We'll be lucky to see most of this in the next 50 years.

D