Pinot -> Panther

[arn]

ThinkSecret reports (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/panther.html) that the next major Mac OS X upgrade will be named "Panther".

This is reportedly a change from an eWeek article (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/08/20020802113210.shtml) in which it was called Pinot.

Thinksecret (http://www.thinksecret) also confirms a report of a minor 10.2 update coming in the next few weeks, as originally reported by Spymac (http://www.spymac.com/)

Meanwhile, Apple released a final security update for Mac OS X 10.1 today... found in your software update. This update does not affect Jaguar 10.2.

[irmongoose]

And 10.5 is gonna be.. Cheetah!

Looks like Steve Jobs is getting fond of cats....

MEOW!




irmongoose

[MacMaster]

heh...looks like they're sticking with mammals...
hehe...Mammals.org! (http://www.mammals.org/)
lol:D

[drastik]

well, I guess we can start speculating wildly now, waddaya say, an OS that can emulate every major game console?

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by irmongoose
And 10.5 is gonna be.. Cheetah!

if you want Cheetah I have a copy here in my desk...

[MacBandit]

Ambitious Lemon is right the Cheeetah name has already been used.

v10.0 = Cheetah
v10.1 = Puma
v10.2 = Jaguar
v10.3? = Panther

What's next Tiger or maybe Tigger the OS that bounces!!

[irmongoose]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Ambitious Lemon is right the Cheeetah name has already been used.

v10.0 = Cheetah
v10.1 = Puma
v10.2 = Jaguar
v10.3? = Panther

What's next Tiger or maybe Tigger the OS that bounces!!

Oh. Right. Sorry about that.. wasn't really into OS X until I got my iMac...

:o



irmongoose

[Booga]

Hm, how about...
Tomcat
Puddytat
Lion-O (or Thundercat)
Cheshire
:)

[PyroTurtle]

bouncing OS = dock...works for me at least...i like the thougt of a Winnie the Pooh themed names of OS versions....
anywho, i don't care what it's called as long as it's better than the one before it! ::militaristic voice::gosh dang it i want speed and stability! ::end militaristic voice::

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by Booga
Hm, how about...
Tomcat
Puddytat
Lion-O (or Thundercat)
Cheshire
:)

Lion-O... ah any day is a good day when someone mentions thundercats.

[MacBandit]

Uh, I don't know Lion-O snarf snarf!

[ntg]

definitely one for the Brits around, but how about 'Parsley' ?
(for all the others out there, it was a kids program lion):D :p

[StuPid QPid]

Bit of a strange naming convention, as a panther is actually a just a black jaguar (or a jaguar with a very big black spot :) ). They're exactly the same species. Perhaps Panther is just the codename for a minor update to 10.2?

[amnesiac1984]

actually i thought black panthers were incredibly rare and endangered, and that normal panthers are not black but something else, i'm not sure which! Maybe they literally are Jaguars!

[Geert]

I like the cat-theme Apple is using.
better than 'winblows 'hexpired'

[skunk]

If we're talking cats, what's wrong with Tiddles (or Fluffy)?:)

[DaedalusDE]

Princess, thats a good cat name... lets call OS X 10.5 Pricess "The queen mother of all operating systems"... i kinda like that one

[tliptak]

What about the Lion. Its the king of beasts and Mac OS X whatever version is the king of operating systems.

[MacKenzie999]

They should have an even simpler gui version, like Easy Finder, called "*ussy"

[Capt. Obvious]

Pumas, cougars, panthers, jaguars, and mountain lions - all the same cat, just depends on where you see it.

Surprisingly common in N.A., S.A., Africa, maybe India.

Lion may be "king of beasts", but it's a lard-butt sort of kingship...not the sort of thing to rally the troops, IYKWIM.

[skunk]

That's a very specieist kind of statement.:eek:

[theaz]

here are the cat species that I am aware of:

African golden cat
baby cat
black-footed cat
bobcat
Canada lynx
caracal
cheetah
clowded leopard
Eurasian lynx
fishing cat
flat-headed cat
Geoffroy's cat
Iberian lynx
jaguar
jaguarundi
jungle cat
kodkod
leopard (= panther)
lion
margay
mountain cat
ocelot
oncilla
pampas cat
puma (= mountain lion = cougar)
rusty spotted cat
sand cat
serval
snow leopard
Temminck's golden cat
tiger
wild cat

Have I missed anything obvious? At my count, this means that Apple could keep going all the way to Mac OS X 13.1 using non-synonymous big cat names alone (and assuming 0.1 releases each time ;) I think the name "wild cat" is a pretty good one myself.

Note amnesiac1984 & StuPid QPid: A panther is a type of leopard not jaguar although mistakes regarding its identity are made not infrequently.

[macsurfer]

I really like Pinot better.....

[theaz]

Originally posted by Capt. Obvious
Pumas, cougars, panthers, jaguars, and mountain lions - all the same cat, just depends on where you see it.

Surprisingly common in N.A., S.A., Africa, maybe India.

Lion may be "king of beasts", but it's a lard-butt sort of kingship...not the sort of thing to rally the troops, IYKWIM.

umm, that is incorrect.

pumas, mountain lions and cougars are the same (Felis [Puma] concolor )
jaguar (Panthera onca) is a species in itself
as is the leopard and panther (Panthera pardus)

indeed, pumas are quite different to the jaguar and leopard and are assigned to a different genus. sorry for being technical, but i felt that misinformation had to be corrected.

[irmongoose]

Originally posted by macsurfer
I really like Pinot better.....


Really? I thought it was a weird name....


BTW, I think this thread is becoming a Science Class on Cat Species... reminds me of Mr. Bowles (a science teacher at our school who was a wannabe Mr. Wizard.. hehe)



irmongoose

[JamesDP]

Wonder if Steve will pronounce it "Pan-thire" ;) :D ;)

[Dignan]

Does anyone understand the fascination with jungle cats? is that gonna be a new theme? osx.5, mountain lion?

[PyroTurtle]

pinot is grapes....even i like panther more than a grape name...

[zed]

what about garfield? :p

[Capt. Obvious]

Originally posted by zed
what about garfield?
Oh, yeah, that's what I want - an OS version w/ a code-name that signifies "insufferable pain-in-the-ass" :rolleyes:

[zed]

Yeah, I guess Garfield would work better for windoze,

you know, lazy and bloated. :cool:

[vidboi]

Originally posted by irmongoose

BTW, I think this thread is becoming a Science Class on Cat Species... reminds me of Mr. Bowles (a science teacher at our school who was a wannabe Mr. Wizard.. hehe)


Would that be St. Mary's in Tokyo?

[MacArtist]

Originally posted by theaz


umm, that is incorrect.

pumas, mountain lions and cougars are the same (Felis [Puma] concolor )
jaguar (Panthera onca) is a species in itself
as is the leopard and panther (Panthera pardus)

indeed, pumas are quite different to the jaguar and leopard and are assigned to a different genus. sorry for being technical, but i felt that misinformation had to be corrected.

If you want to get technical, puma, panther, and mountain lions are subspecies of cougar as defined on florida Panther Net (http://www.panther.state.fl.us/handbook/natural/science.html). The jaguar and leopard are different species.

As for black panthers, there's no such thing. There are black(melanistic) bobcats and black(melanistic) jaguars which just have very dark pigmentation behind their spots which makes them look black.

As for the change from Pinot to Panther, I think it's great. Keep with the cat reference until OS 11(XI).

[jayscheuerle]

At least Pino would continue to get better for a couple of years. They could offer a special upgrade program where you'd buy the beta cheap and get all the upgrades for free or pay more for a mature OS later.

With OSX's descending feline speed hierarchy, cheetah, jaguar, puma, housecat, etc., maybe they could have started 10.0 as vinegar and worked their way back to grape?

Oh wait, I forgot I don't care about this subject!:D

[groundhog troll]

About the Thundercats comments I always liked the evil Mumra The Ever Living or non crashing OS.

I liked the name Bengal as in Bengal Tiger or to go with the color of the hardware a White Siberian Tiger:cool:

[DavidRavenMoon]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
actually i thought black panthers were incredibly rare and endangered, and that normal panthers are not black but something else, i'm not sure which! Maybe they literally are Jaguars!

Main Entry: pan·ther
Pronunciation: 'pan(t)-th&r
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural panthers also panther
Etymology: Middle English pantere, from Old French, from Latin panthera, from Greek panthEr
Date: 13th century
1 : LEOPARD: as a : a leopard of a hypothetical exceptionally large fierce variety b : a leopard of the black color phase
2 : COUGAR
3 : JAGUAR

They are all of the order "Panthera."

Leopards are black when they are young, and that's when they call them panthers.

[bertinman]

I don't know much about the Cats' Species/Kingdom/Phyla/what-not but I do have interest in the new system OS (:

Anyone have info on what will be new in it? What is Apple's wish list for it to have (yours for that matter -- serious though)?

btw, any of you priv. ones to have gotten ahold of 10.2, do you know the kernel version? I believe you can type "uname -a" in any term to get the xnu version number. Just curious because I've been spending some time trying to upgrade one of my Darwin x86 boxes' kernel.

-- Bert :cool:

[AmbitiousLemon]

6.0

[DavidRavenMoon]

Originally posted by MacKenzie999
They should have an even simpler gui version, like Easy Finder, called "*ussy"


:eek: OK... "P*ssy" works for me! ;)

I can just see Jobs on stage... :D

(that's funny... you cant post that word! I guess they have filters set up.)

[bertinman]

sorry if I'm lame, but I havn't seen any ref to Darwin 6.0 ever. Until last night on the Darwin-user list from apple. I've always seen it posted as Darwin 1.4.1.

Maybe there is some informative web space that I do not know of, I'd like to know though because I'm having some trouble finding new information :(

Anyway, I was asking for the xnu version. Darwin 1.4.1 has xnu-222.

thanks though!

-- Bert :cool:

[pwfletcher]

LOL

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by bertinman
sorry if I'm lame, but I havn't seen any ref to Darwin 6.0 ever. Until last night on the Darwin-user list from apple. I've always seen it posted as Darwin 1.4.1.

Maybe there is some informative web space that I do not know of, I'd like to know though because I'm having some trouble finding new information :(

Anyway, I was asking for the xnu version. Darwin 1.4.1 has xnu-222.

thanks though!

-- Bert :cool:

Darwin .local. 6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 6.0: Sat Jul 27 13:18:52 PDT 2002; root:xnu/xnu-344.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc

[Shrek]

Originally posted by irmongoose
And 10.5 is gonna be.. Cheetah!

Looks like Steve Jobs is getting fond of cats....

MEOW!

irmongoose

Cheetah?!?!? Took the words right out of my mouth! Though I'm hoping that'll be the name of Mac OS XI.

Cats are speed racers! The FASTEST land animals on earth! Here kitty kitty kitty kitty! :p

After the cats are done then we go to the birds. They are THE FASTEST animals on earth. Falcons flat out FLY at 200mph (I think :rolleyes: )!!! Maybe "Falcon" will be the name of Mac OS XI. Wooweeee baby! FLY FALCON FLY!!! :D :D :D

[Gelfin]

According to Big Cats Online (http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/agarman/bco/ver4.htm), "panther" is a name applied to more than one species of cat. Old World panthers are typically dark-colored leopards. New World panthers are usually dark-colored jaguars or pumas. Other species of cat also exhibit dark coats less frequently, and may be called panthers by observers. Leopards in Southeast Asia are more likely to be dark than African leopards.

In North America the term "wildcat" usually refers to a bobcat, which is a species of lynx. True wildcats are much more closely related to domestic cats and exist in the wild in Europe, Asia and Africa.

As said before, Cougars, Pumas and Mountain Lions are the same species, though there are a number of subspecies scattered throughout Central and South America, and the western United States. Pumas are grouped in the family Felinae (smaller cats) while jaguars share the family Pantherinae with lions, tigers, leopards and a few other species.

Jaguars are jaguars, except when they're dark and might be panthers. A jaguar is essentially a New World leopard, sharing an ancestor with their Old World cousins an estimated 2 million years ago.

[bertinman]

344 eh...

doesn't seem to be an option for me to download from opendarwin's CVS mirror...

Thanks alot though, gives me hope. I've sitting here thinking that there have been no changes to the kernel for 4 monthes! That can't be true since that kernel was 267. :D

On the list of things to do tonight: find out why I've been stuck in this big dark cave of "not getting my just Darwin news" all this time and get out of it!


-- Bert :cool:

[skunk]

I think that's 120mph in a shallow dive for the peregrine...:)

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by bertinman
344 eh...

doesn't seem to be an option for me to download from opendarwin's CVS mirror...

Thanks alot though, gives me hope. I've sitting here thinking that there have been no changes to the kernel for 4 monthes! That can't be true since that kernel was 267. :D

On the list of things to do tonight: find out why I've been stuck in this big dark cave of "not getting my just Darwin news" all this time and get out of it!


-- Bert :cool:

apple is very bad keeping cvs up to date. probably has to do with their whole secrecy thing. sort of sucks since i think it discourages the open source development. why work on 4 month old code?

[RowdyFROG]

Fatcat

[peterjhill]

So what the hell are they going to do with the next major rev? I think that they need to put more money into hardware, now that the OS software is pretty damn good.

[skunk]

There's still a lot of stuff to do to the feline. And there's always the Office-type thingy (AppleWorks on steroids), and the iApps, and all that stuff they bought this year like Shake and eMagic. There must be a huge software team looking over their shoulders right now...

It looks as if their hardware is just waiting for the processors: it's obviously over-specced for cooling, and they seem to be set up as test-beds for something different. Where are the processors??? Were they expecting something better for this iteration?

[AmbitiousLemon]

im eager to see the new file system implemented by the BeOS guy.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by theaz
here are the cat species that I am aware of:

African golden cat
baby cat
black-footed cat
bobcat
Canada lynx
caracal
cheetah
clowded leopard
Eurasian lynx
fishing cat
flat-headed cat
Geoffroy's cat
Iberian lynx
jaguar
jaguarundi
jungle cat
kodkod
leopard (= panther)
lion
margay
mountain cat
ocelot
oncilla
pampas cat
puma (= mountain lion = cougar)
rusty spotted cat
sand cat
serval
snow leopard
Temminck's golden cat
tiger
wild cat

Have I missed anything obvious? At my count, this means that Apple could keep going all the way to Mac OS X 13.1 using non-synonymous big cat names alone (and assuming 0.1 releases each time ;) I think the name "wild cat" is a pretty good one myself.

Note amnesiac1984 & StuPid QPid: A panther is a type of leopard not jaguar although mistakes regarding its identity are made not infrequently.


Actually that many names would take the system much further because as far back as I can remember Apple has never released a system greater then x.6 with x.5 being the most common cap.

And on another poiont I think the Pinot wine name was to uppity and elitist for a down to earth easy to use for every body system like Mac OSX. Unless they don't plan on using it in marketing like Jaguar.

[macsurfer]

Pinot=fineness, elegance, taste and versatility.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by macsurfer
Pinot=fineness, elegance, taste and versatility.

The problem is you are one of the few that understand that and I can rescpect that. Most people do not know what Pinot even is or even care about wine.

I'm not trying to start a fight I'm just trying to explain this. I myself am not infatuated with wine though here in Oregon we have a large number of very fine vineyards with what I'm told is very good wine on par with most of the world.

[AmbitiousLemon]

since we are all talking about codenames doesnt anyone think its odd apple has been so public with the jaguar codename. i mean how many people know that 10.0 was cheetah. 10.1 was puma. we toss around hardware names occasionally too but none of those have been publicized either. pismos wallstreet lombard, sawtooth. you dont see those names on the sides of boxes or on apples website.

i wonder why apple decided to use jaguar. will this be a new trend? or did apple just think selling 'jaguar' would be easier than 10.2¿

[bertinman]

I don't really know for sure why they decided to use a code name this time... seems kinda wierd to me as well.

But, I'm pretty sure it was just to get publicity so that it would bolster the switch campaign. It's somewhat of a catchy name, so people who don't know macs would get interested and ask about it... then maybe want to try/buy it.

I don't recall very many instances of companies using code names to sell their software (Os's for that matter) and I'm guessing that not using the code name is the norm. Thus, Apple breaks the norm (like it has in the past) and calls attention to itself. This could be good or bad (more likely good), but I'm guessing that there will be more software/OS's (MS?) that are publicized or maybe even sold under code names in the near future.


-- Bert :cool:

ps. oh yeah, I seem to remember that macs are popular among women... the new furry skin of the "X" logo resembles the texture/print of certain car seat covers... my wife's highschool convertable had a set, along with alot of her friends' cars ;)
And you know they would need a reason to put that print/texture on the logo...

[irmongoose]

Originally posted by vidboi


Would that be St. Mary's in Tokyo? '


YIKES! Yep!



:D :D :D :D



irmongoose

[iapple]

Are you talking about the international school?! Our school has sports games with St. Marys! My god! it seems sooo wierd to be hearing this on Macrumors! Do you know YIS?

[skunk]

Jaguar = inspired British engineering flair, used by pimps, police and gangsters, needs regular servicing......???

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by skunk
Jaguar = inspired British engineering flair, used by pimps, police and gangsters, needs regular servicing......???

AND FAT DEPUTY PRIME MINISTERS

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by MacBandit
The problem is you are one of the few that understand that and I can rescpect that. Most people do not know what Pinot even is or even care about wine.

The other problem is that, here in the Bay Area you learn more about wines than most people in the rest of the country ever know or want to just from radio advertisements. It didn't and wouldn't surprise me, because it might not occur to someone who's lived here a long time that wine references would be lost on most people.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Gelfin


The other problem is that, here in the Bay Area you learn more about wines than most people in the rest of the country ever know or want to just from radio advertisements. It didn't and wouldn't surprise me, because it might not occur to someone who's lived here a long time that wine references would be lost on most people.



Exactly.:)

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by Gelfin


The other problem is that, here in the Bay Area you learn more about wines than most people in the rest of the country ever know or want to just from radio advertisements. It didn't and wouldn't surprise me, because it might not occur to someone who's lived here a long time that wine references would be lost on most people.

So much for the theory that the average Mac user is more sophisticated and educated.....:rolleyes: