If your CD's were stolen, would you...

[_bnkr612]

If your cash bought CD's were stolen, would you consider getting most songs that you can from a P2P network or replacing them through ways of how you acquiring them? Some view it a crime, but for most it is a guilty pleasure and for grounds of someone stealing your CD's you might find some chum who owns newly acquired CD's on the P2P network giving your CD's out. What would you do?

CD sales have not really been affected by P2P. The RIAA has nothing to do with music anymore. Sending out lawsuits seems to be their form of income.

This is the age of more tours for bands and less CD's in stores. Buy the songs you want at online music stores or go the budget route with P2P. Your morals will make the choice for you. But ask your kid for that one song you like, chances are he got a good deal on it.

Cheers,
_bnkr

[Phatpat]

If all my cds were stolen and I had no backups, the thought would cross my mind, but I wouldn't do it. Downloading that much music from a p2p app is just going too far.

Now, if my cds were actually stolen, it wouldn't be much of a big deal. All my music is in iTunes, I don't listen to the actual cds at all. I would probably do another backup of my music, because the theft would make me a bit paranoid :cool:

[MrMacMan]

I would be pissed off.

I would contact the RIAA and ask them for replacements for the CD's people stole.


I would also like my money back from the cd's that I bought which sucked.

:p



In your dreams. The RIAA is against the spirit of music itself.

[virividox]

id probably buy some of the cds that got stolen again
and if i liked some songs on a cd, but not all the songs probably download it

but since i have itunes and ipod i have 2 back ups, admittedly not lossless (i doubt i will use lossless)

[caveman_uk]

I've got over 350 CDs so it would take me eons to find and download them. Plus if it's a choice between stealing my CDs and stealing my VCR,DVD player, TV, Powermac, notebook or ipod I know which ones most thieves round here would go for....

[King Cobra]

If they were all stolen, I'd panic, because for some of my free-time audio work, I need the full AIFF-quality CD files. 64Kbps AAC files will not work.

(here comes a surprise to some)
But the RIAA wouldn't be one of my first thoughts on my mind, because since I legally own the songs & the CD, I can still download one (1) backup copy, right? But, even then...I've built up a force of habit to avoid downloading songs through P2P...and since there are almost no AIFF copies of the CD file, I probably would not download any of the songs.

[iGav]

Well pretty much all of my CD's are packed up in boxes in my Mum's attic so they'd have to be a pretty thorough thief to get the step ladder and get into to the attic and have a fumble through all the boxes. heheh!

I've still got another 100 CD's to rip onto my PowerBook (I also back them up onto my Firewire HD just incase anything happens to my PowerBooks HD). I dislike clutter so being able to have all my music on my PowerBook is much better than having hundreds and hundreds of CD's lying around.

I rip at 256Kbps AAC so I don't really have a need to have the CD's to hand either, as the quality is really rather good. :D

If they were ever stolen, would I replace them?? to be honest, probably not, it'd be unfeasibly expensive to do so.

[trebblekicked]

what would you do if your CD's were stolen...
i don't think i'd even notice. today was the first time i've accessed my CD case since i moved last august. Got an MP3 CD player in my car, my tibook is plugged into my rack, and i spend all day in front of my quicksilver. CD's. Ha. That's so early-to-mid 90's.

would you try to get them back off P2P?
honestly, yes. i'd get what i could off of friends, and i would buy a select few CD's again, but after that, i'd try to get what i could off P2P. especially the live stuff you can't really get any other way.

[powerbook4me]

Of course I would.

Im not against mp3 downloading :p

[_bnkr612]

The RIAA is against the spirit of music itself.

I agree.

[themadchemist]

I would feel no guilt whatsoever in doing such a thing.

It's not like I have a problem with P2P even if I don't by the CD. If I didn't download music, I probably wouldn't buy most of it anyway.

[powerbook4me]

I would feel no guilt whatsoever in doing such a thing.

It's not like I have a problem with P2P even if I don't by the CD. If I didn't download music, I probably wouldn't buy most of it anyway.


Hehe, Im the same way.

[themadchemist]

Hehe, Im the same way.

I'm told we're "moral relativists." But I'm ok with that.

Stem cells and P2P all the way!

[baby duck monge]

i'd call the police and then determine if it was worth reburning all the cds from my rips (since i basically never use cds - love the ipod). but the police thing would at least help give you some defense if anyone came after you about any p2p you might decide you needed to recoop your losses.

[Mav451]

Hehe thank god for iTunes. Honestly. If i didn't already have it ripped/stored on my hard drive, then losing CD's would be a big deal. This is the single most advantage of digital data--highly organizable and portable. Obviously, it can just as easily be taken away (hard drive stolen = lose OS, personal data, music!)...aye, the conversion of media.

Its put an incredible amt. of personal investment in the digital source. So it's a double-edged sword. More convenience, more investment.

[gwuMACaddict]

if my cds were stolen, i'd buy the same albums on vinyl

:cool: :D

[Koodauw]

I would go to the used CD store and wait out front for some guy to come in with all my CD's.

Then take him out behind the shed.

Whats a CD?

[jeremy.king]

CD sales have not really been effected by P2P.



I would beg to differ

http://www.ifpi.org/site-content/statistics/worldsales.html

4 straight years of declining sales doesn't seem like a coincidence.

[themadchemist]

I would beg to differ

http://www.ifpi.org/site-content/statistics/worldsales.html

4 straight years of declining sales doesn't seem like a coincidence.

Yeah, so I'm going to guess that a steadily rising unemployment rate, a decline in the value of investments, and an overall weak economy had NOTHING to do with that declining sales rate.

Oh my, you're right! Four straight years of declining sales AREN'T a coincidence!

[Jovian9]

I have home insurance so theft is covered and my cd collection would be replaced by an insurance company......or at least they claim they would replace them.

[rueyeet]

If your cash bought CD's were stolen, would you consider getting most songs that you can from a P2P network or replacing them through ways of how you acquiring them?

Well, the first thing I'd do is be really pissed, because my iTunes library is not the same as having the full, uncompressed deal. But then, neither is P2P. It took me hours of work to find just a few song I wanted, get them downloaded, make sure they're not spam files, and clean up the tags. My conclusion from the experience: P2P is a crap-shoot pain in the keister. I'll gladly pay the iTunes price and put up with the minimal DRM not to have to work so hard to get my music. You're putting up with a lot for that "free" music, like all the people who gave up whatever hours of their time Tuesday waiting in line for one free scoop of ice cream.

The second thing I'd do is be even more pissed, because any thief dedicated enough to steal all my CD's probably also took both my computers and my iPod, thus taking my compressed files as well--including the half-dozen or so I did download off P2P and thus have in no other form. Yeah, I should be doing backups, but what makes you think they wouldn't steal peripherals too?

And the third thing I'd do is call my insurance company and get a claim going so I could replace everything through normal channels, ie. buying the physical, uncompressed CDs back for the CDs I specifically wanted to own, then going to iTunes and buying the rest.

What the survey question you've posed really amounts to is whether we see any difference between owning a compressed, lossy file and the physical uncompressed media with liner notes, all artwork, lyrics (when the band bothers to print any), etc. I see a difference, and one I'm willing to pay for.

[bousozoku]

I would go to the used CD store and wait out front for some guy to come in with all my CD's.

Then take him out behind the shed.

Whats a CD?

That sounds like the best idea. :D I would probably just do without that music unless I could use iTunes to make new CDs for the car still.

As far as P2P not affecting CD sales, it has but not the way the RIAA and its friends would have us believe. When they have referred to sales figures, they only state numbers in dollars--no quantities. Everything I've seen in the past 6 months say that the number of CDs sold is up and many are reporting record numbers but prices are down tremendously. People are refusing to pay $16.99 - $18.99 when they can go to Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, or amazon.com and pay $9.99 - $12.99 for the same music. Obviously, this means that sales are cut around 30 percent and that's terrible to the RIAA and its friends. The artists are probably doing better because they're getting very little on each CD, so since quantity is up they're getting more little bits. The labels get less because the discounts are coming directly from their historic profits.

[_bnkr612]

Yeah, so I'm going to guess that a steadily rising unemployment rate, a decline in the value of investments, and an overall weak economy had NOTHING to do with that declining sales rate.

Oh my, you're right! Four straight years of declining sales AREN'T a coincidence!

I agree.

[_bnkr612]

As far as P2P not affecting CD sales, it has but not the way the RIAA and its friends would have us believe. When they have referred to sales figures, they only state numbers in dollars--no quantities. Everything I've seen in the past 6 months say that the number of CDs sold is up and many are reporting record numbers but prices are down tremendously. People are refusing to pay $16.99 - $18.99 when they can go to Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, or amazon.com and pay $9.99 - $12.99 for the same music. Obviously, this means that sales are cut around 30 percent and that's terrible to the RIAA and its friends. The artists are probably doing better because they're getting very little on each CD, so since quantity is up they're getting more little bits. The labels get less because the discounts are coming directly from their historic profits.

I agree here too. Thanks for the grammar check too bousozoku.

[Dippo]

Yeah, so I'm going to guess that a steadily rising unemployment rate, a decline in the value of investments, and an overall weak economy had NOTHING to do with that declining sales rate.

Oh my, you're right! Four straight years of declining sales AREN'T a coincidence!


Yeap, and since the economy has been picking up, CD sells have also picked up.

Of course the RIAA says that CD sales have increased due to their efforts with P2P, but file sharing has remained almost unchanged over the past 6 months!

[musicpyrite]

Currently I have 2,934 songs,

all I have to say is:

What CDs?? ;) ;) :D

(check my username.hehe)

[_bnkr612]

http://www.itunesperipod.com/

Neat.

[jeremy.king]

Yeah, so I'm going to guess that a steadily rising unemployment rate, a decline in the value of investments, and an overall weak economy had NOTHING to do with that declining sales rate.

Oh my, you're right! Four straight years of declining sales AREN'T a coincidence!

If you happened to read the article, it talked about GLOBAL cd sales not just US. Also if memory serves me right, Napster really started becoming popular about 4 years ago before being shutdown. By then it was too late, P2P apps exploded after that.

Don't get me wrong, Im not siding with the RIAA whatsoever, I just think a statement like "I can pirate music cause its not hurting CD sales" providing no proof shows a lack of respect for musical artists (not the RIAA) and total ignorance.

So go download your "stolen" music, just don't come crying when the RIAA targets you with a lawsuit.

[Hemingray]

if my cds were stolen, i'd buy the same albums on vinyl

:cool: :D

Heheh.... if my CDs were stolen, I already gots the vinyl! Let's hope the thief doesn't look under my turntable. :rolleyes:

[themadchemist]

If you happened to read the article, it talked about GLOBAL cd sales not just US. Also if memory serves me right, Napster really started becoming popular about 4 years ago before being shutdown. By then it was too late, P2P apps exploded after that.

Don't get me wrong, Im not siding with the RIAA whatsoever, I just think a statement like "I can pirate music cause its not hurting CD sales" providing no proof shows a lack of respect for musical artists (not the RIAA) and total ignorance.

So go download your "stolen" music, just don't come crying when the RIAA targets you with a lawsuit.

OK, I thought I could just let this go with one sarcastic comment. But I'm really going to have to set you straight because you've been brainwashed.

If you hadn't noticed, the economic downturn of which I speak HASN'T just been hitting the US. Europe in general is doing poorly, Japan is doing poorly, and countless other trading partners with the US are also faring badly. We don't live in an isolationist world. The economy of one nation affects another. Terrorism, tech sector downturns, and struggling airlines haven't only affected the US, but also the rest of the world. The article you point to discusses mainly the Western Europe and the United States, areas that have very clearly seen economic troughs, recession even, in the last few years. If you had told me that piracy was hurting the music business in Korea or India, I would have agreed. However, these countries have been homes to piracy for many years and it is not the advent of the P2P network that has altered the trend there.

Of course, none of my arguments even matter because the article that you provided is drivel. It is the propaganda publication of a special interest group and it does a poor job of hiding that group's personal spin on the numbers. Provide us with less biased media sources next time.

What's worse is that you feign expert knowledge of a subject based on this one article. You claim that no one provides evidence that downloading music does not hurt music sales simply because you have not taken the time to listen to the evidence.

I shall counter your evidence from the venerable IFPI with a bit from a little association you might have heard about. I think it's called Harvard. It's reported on by the Cable News Network, whose credentials, I believe, precede it.

The link to the article I have cited follows. Music sales strong despite digital piracy. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/04/12/music.industry.ap/index.html)

"A recent study by two professors at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill may suggest how the industry's sales could be improving amid file-sharing.

The study, conducted over 17 weeks in the fall of 2002, was based on data compiled in the user logs of two OpenNap servers that host traffic by U.S. users of file-sharing programs including WinMX.

The researchers plucked 680 songs on albums by artists like Eminem and compared how often their songs were downloaded on the network to their weekly sales figures. The authors concluded that file-sharing has a statistically insignificant impact on record sales."

While other researchers may dispute the findings of this team, I think that it goes without saying that this research is at least as legitimate as that of those who disagree. At the very least, it is coming from a university and not from the RIAA's "academics."

I would argue that it is undeniable that global economic conditions have dampened sales and earnings for all entertainment industries. The RIAA's particular inflexibility in pricing has made its member companies even more susceptible to market fluctuations. While $16.99 for a CD may be an acceptable market price when salaries are high and jobs are plenty, the same is not true for current conditions.

It is preposterous to argue that the downloading of music by what still constitutes a minority of individuals would affect the music industry more than the prevailing tides of the economy both at home and abroad.

[_bnkr612]

Tension, this is good.

I applaud the efforts of debate.

[Doctor Q]

Not a legal opinion, just a layperson's view: If Pickpocket Pete walks off with your audio CD, I think you still have the right to the music and Pickpocket Pete doesn't. That doesn't mean you could walk into Best Buy and grab another copy. So I would think the question of whether you can legally/morally/justifiably get another copy online (or by ripping your friend's copy of the same CD) is the same as the question of whether you have the right to get a copy by that means when you have the original CD in the closet, i.e., before it was stolen.

As far as the RIAA coming after you for downloading, I would keep proof that you bought the CD (a purchase receipt) and/or evidence that your CD was stolen (a police report you filed), because that way you'd be a very unlikely choice for the RIAA among all the people they might choose to prosecute.

If you download, they are more likely to find you than if you don't. You'd want to make it more likely you could talk them out of it if they challenged you, and less likely they'd win if they sued you.

[jeremy.king]

OK, I thought I could just let this go with one sarcastic comment. But I'm really going to have to set you straight because you've been brainwashed.

If you hadn't noticed, the economic downturn of which I speak HASN'T just been hitting the US. Europe in general is doing poorly, Japan is doing poorly, and countless other trading partners with the US are also faring badly. We don't live in an isolationist world. The economy of one nation affects another. Terrorism, tech sector downturns, and struggling airlines haven't only affected the US, but also the rest of the world. The article you point to discusses mainly the Western Europe and the United States, areas that have very clearly seen economic troughs, recession even, in the last few years. If you had told me that piracy was hurting the music business in Korea or India, I would have agreed. However, these countries have been homes to piracy for many years and it is not the advent of the P2P network that has altered the trend there.

Of course, none of my arguments even matter because the article that you provided is drivel. It is the propaganda publication of a special interest group and it does a poor job of hiding that group's personal spin on the numbers. Provide us with less biased media sources next time.

What's worse is that you feign expert knowledge of a subject based on this one article. You claim that no one provides evidence that downloading music does not hurt music sales simply because you have not taken the time to listen to the evidence.

I shall counter your evidence from the venerable IFPI with a bit from a little association you might have heard about. I think it's called Harvard. It's reported on by the Cable News Network, whose credentials, I believe, precede it.

The link to the article I have cited follows. Music sales strong despite digital piracy. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/04/12/music.industry.ap/index.html)

"A recent study by two professors at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill may suggest how the industry's sales could be improving amid file-sharing.

The study, conducted over 17 weeks in the fall of 2002, was based on data compiled in the user logs of two OpenNap servers that host traffic by U.S. users of file-sharing programs including WinMX.

The researchers plucked 680 songs on albums by artists like Eminem and compared how often their songs were downloaded on the network to their weekly sales figures. The authors concluded that file-sharing has a statistically insignificant impact on record sales."

While other researchers may dispute the findings of this team, I think that it goes without saying that this research is at least as legitimate as that of those who disagree. At the very least, it is coming from a university and not from the RIAA's "academics."

I would argue that it is undeniable that global economic conditions have dampened sales and earnings for all entertainment industries. The RIAA's particular inflexibility in pricing has made its member companies even more susceptible to market fluctuations. While $16.99 for a CD may be an acceptable market price when salaries are high and jobs are plenty, the same is not true for current conditions.

It is preposterous to argue that the downloading of music by what still constitutes a minority of individuals would affect the music industry more than the prevailing tides of the economy both at home and abroad.

I'm not arguing that the economy didn't have *some* impact on sales, but you seem to feel that music piracy hasn't contributed whatsoever to the lost revenue of CD sales. Also, your supporting arguments are flawed. First, you quote a study that targetted US fileswappers only. Second, the study was performed during the busiest retail season (4th quarter). Finally, the US economy actually grew in 2003, and CD sales still managed to decline.

Also interesting is the growth in sales over the same time period in DVDs, video games, and other home entertainment media which seem to counter the so-called downturn in the economy.

I would also venture to guess that you think the recent upward trend of music sales has nothing to do with the RIAA efforts to counter piracy.

[Dippo]

Also interesting is the growth in sales over the same time period in DVDs, video games, and other home entertainment media which seem to counter the so-called downturn in the economy.

Yes, and you can find plenty of movies and games on P2P, but it hasn't seemed to hurt their business.
Heck, software have been "traded" since day one and still they seem to survive.


I would also venture to guess that you think the recent upward trend of music sales has nothing to do with the RIAA efforts to counter piracy.

RIAA hasn't affected P2P in the least.
The number of people sharing has actually gone up!!

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/data/images/040904p2p_usage

The data shows some fluctuation late in 2003, though a hard correlation to the RIAA`s first round of lawsuits is not clear. After essentially plateauing at the 8-9 million range for several months, usage suddenly surged upward towards 10 million in March.

[SilvorX]

I purchased a DVD last year, and only weeks later it ended up being all scratched up and barely playable :(

but i wouldn't go download it off the net :S

[_bnkr612]

I purchased a DVD last year, and only weeks later it ended up being all scratched up and barely playable :(

but i wouldn't go download it off the net :S

Whose fault is that? Does your disc drive have a sandpaper tray?

Stolen CD's is different than misuse of a product.

[Dippo]

Whose fault is that? Does your disc drive have a sandpaper tray?

Stolen CD's is different than misuse of a product.


Probably the kids got a hold of it :)

That just brings up the good point of needing to be able to backup DVDs. That way you could look away the original and use the backup, and if the backup gets scratched, you can throw it away and make a new backup. Too bad the MPAA doesn't get it.

Of course what if someone stole your CD backups...could you still legally use the originals? Is that any different than sharing songs on P2P?

If people want to steal things off your computer, should you be held liable?

[idkew]

I downloaded most of my collection after my car was broken into twice in a few months. Several thousand dollars of damage and lost property. Technically totaled my car, as a new dashboard runs $2k...

Good old insurance said I would be dropped if I claimed anything at all. Sometime I wonder why I pay them. I did reply with a "then get rid of comprehensive" and under my breath a few words I can't post here.

but- in hindsight. i got an iPod to replace my stereo, and the cheap original tape player for the car. now i have an iPod and I am happier than when i had the multi-thousand dollar stereo i put in when i was in HS.

[themadchemist]

I'm not arguing that the economy didn't have *some* impact on sales, but you seem to feel that music piracy hasn't contributed whatsoever to the lost revenue of CD sales.


You're right, I do think that music piracy has had a minor effect on music sales. Why? I think that people download music, in general, they they wouldn't buy.


Also, your supporting arguments are flawed. First, you quote a study that targetted US fileswappers only.


Are you telling me that fileswapping in Western Europe is that incredibly different? There might be some variance, but do you think that the variance is high enough to suggest a critical flaw in the use of this study as evidence? I think that this study is less flawed than the biased article that with which you provided us.


Second, the study was performed during the busiest retail season (4th quarter).


However, if the study compared data against years ago data, then you would expect to see some sort of negative modulation as compared to 4th quarters past. Would the study be any more fair if it took the least busy retail season, in which smaller fluctuations could be construed to suggest correlation that may or may not have existed?


Finally, the US economy actually grew in 2003, and CD sales still managed to decline.


Jobless growth doesn't count. Corporations don't buy music and wealthy individuals, I dare say, download less than the middle class. the economy is better off because productivity is high. This still leaves millions of Americans unemployed and in no position to purchase entertainment.


Also interesting is the growth in sales over the same time period in DVDs, video games, and other home entertainment media which seem to counter the so-called downturn in the economy.


These items, in general, had not reached their equilibrium point in sales. Until recently, DVD players were relatively rare in homes. DVD-related entertainment technology did not live up to the potential that it had as an array of marketable goods under any given economic condition because it was relatively obscure.

As others have pointed out, file sharing of DVDs and video games has not seemed to hurt the sales of these items. However, I will say that these items are not downloaded in the same volume as music and therefore any effect on the sales of these items would be expected to be much less than the effect on music sales (if such effect existed).


I would also venture to guess that you think the recent upward trend of music sales has nothing to do with the RIAA efforts to counter piracy.

Have random lawsuits put that much of a dent in volume of download transactions? I think data already provided by others demonstrates that those lawsuits have not.

[MrMacMan]

I would beg to differ

http://www.ifpi.org/site-content/statistics/worldsales.html

4 straight years of declining sales doesn't seem like a coincidence.
If I remember correctally, we are kinda in a economic decline...

Discretionary spending will decrease... ala plasma screen TV... ala CD's.


People need to think about what to really use their money on.

http://www.itunesperipod.com/

Neat.
Execpt they somehow think that everyones iPod is full.


Or that even people DON'T HAVE CD COLLECTIONS THEY RIP TO THE iPod like I do?!?

They take none of this into account.

If you happened to read the article, it talked about GLOBAL cd sales not just US. Also if memory serves me right, Napster really started becoming popular about 4 years ago before being shutdown. By then it was too late, P2P apps exploded after that.

Don't get me wrong, Im not siding with the RIAA whatsoever, I just think a statement like "I can pirate music cause its not hurting CD sales" providing no proof shows a lack of respect for musical artists (not the RIAA) and total ignorance.

So go download your "stolen" music, just don't come crying when the RIAA targets you with a lawsuit.
The world has been a little more frightened, a little more stringement in its economic spending.

Also it might be the fact that CD's aren't kicking as much ass anymore.

I remember some awesome CD's I bought in the 90's, but today... I want fewer and fewer.

It also has to deal with I have less $$ to buy it with but whatever.



The RIAA is trying to blinding find users and pick them off hoping they are going to go running scared telling all their friends that they got served.


Look, scare tactics work sometimes, but this is just obsene.

[_bnkr612]

If, and only if. Some smart person decided to charge 5-10 bucks per month/year for unlimted P2P sharing and only give the profits to artists,writers etc... Then I would seriously sign up. But for now, the artists get the last sheet of the toilet paper and that is BS. I support indee artist too. I would not have known most of them if were not for P2P. If they have a concert near me, then I am going to be there and pay full buck for it.

RIAA (Radically Inclined Action Ass(when you use a shovel you dig a...))

_bnkr

[TimDaddy]

I had a case of about 50 stolen from my girlfriend's car in 1996. Her asshole little brother was leaving his door unlocked so he could sneak out of school and smoke. Anyway, I did a couple of buy 1 get 7 free type of deals in 1996, 1997, and 1998. I really got tired of fooling that after a while. Then, in 2000 I used Napster to get the rest of them. I don't know if I'd want to risk it now, though. I occasionally download a song or two that I can't find on iTMS, but I'm a little nervous about doing a whole lot of downloading from p2p anymore. Heh, four years of hassle so the little **** could smoke. Back then, they had a smoking area in a courtyard at the school!

[idkew]

Then, in 2000 I used Napster to get the rest of them. I don't know if I'd want to risk it now, though.


You do realize that no one has been sued for DOWNLOADING, people have only been sued for sharing music? "Download all you want," says the RIAA, "just don't lets us see you share."

[TimDaddy]

You do realize that no one has been sued for DOWNLOADING, people have only been sued for sharing music? "Download all you want," says the RIAA, "just don't lets us see you share."
I actually wasn't sure about that. I had originally thought it was only those who were sharing, but then started reading in the "news" about people being sued for downloading. But, the media sucks. The probably just didn't take the time to get it right.

[idkew]

But, the media sucks. The probably just didn't take the time to get it right.

afaik, that seems to be the case. scare tactics.

[sushi]

If your cash bought CD's were stolen...
I would cry!

I mean, how can you replace a CD such as one that has an autograph of Smokey Robinson or someone similar?

Sushi

[OutThere]

I lost my case of CDs a while ago, and then when I returned home I proceeded buy back a few select ones, get the rest from my friends, and download the stragglers (From KDX where I could get the entire CD, with tags, instead of Limewire etc. where you have to get each individual track, with messed up tags). I don't download music that I don't own. I rationalised downloading them by saying that I was just getting a backup that I hadn't taken the care to make. I have all the liner notes and cases for the Cds in my closet.

[SiliconAddict]

The music industry already got the cash out of me for the CD's so HELL YES I would. In fact I've already done that with a Lynkin Park CD that got smashed by a bud sitting on it in my car. :( I simply simply downloaded the tracks off of Shareaza. Let the system run for 2 hours came back and I had my freshly downloaded tracks. I didn't do anything illegal since I purchased the CD.

[parrothead]

The question really is an ethical and moral issue. Try rephrasing it. I spend $20000 of my hard earned money to buy a nice new car. Someone just stole it. Well, dang it that car was mine so now I have the right to go steal someone else's. Or, even better, that greedy car company should replace my car, or I should sue them to get money to buy another one. Downloading music off a P2P is stealing, no matter how you look at it. Yes I don't like the way the RIAA has handled things, and yes it big time sucks when your things get stolen, but stealing right back doesn't help things at all.

[idkew]

The question really is an ethical and moral issue. Try rephrasing it. I spend $20000 of my hard earned money to buy a nice new car. Someone just stole it. Well, dang it that car was mine so now I have the right to go steal someone else's. Or, even better, that greedy car company should replace my car, or I should sue them to get money to buy another one. Downloading music off a P2P is stealing, no matter how you look at it. Yes I don't like the way the RIAA has handled things, and yes it big time sucks when your things get stolen, but stealing right back doesn't help things at all.

no- you are comparing apples and oranges.

when your car is stolen, it takes more physical goods to make a new car. one can not send a car over wire with electrons for almost free.

when music is stolen, it takes no extra money to download the songs.

besides, i do believe you still own the license to listen to that music. you can't see this as a parallel to getting a replacement to physical goods.

[Dippo]

The question really is an ethical and moral issue. Try rephrasing it. I spend $20000 of my hard earned money to buy a nice new car. Someone just stole it. Well, dang it that car was mine so now I have the right to go steal someone else's. Or, even better, that greedy car company should replace my car, or I should sue them to get money to buy another one. Downloading music off a P2P is stealing, no matter how you look at it. Yes I don't like the way the RIAA has handled things, and yes it big time sucks when your things get stolen, but stealing right back doesn't help things at all.


That's what wrong with people these days, they RIAA has brainwashed you into think that a song is a physical thing.

If you were to hold a song in your hand, what would it be??

It would be like someone stealing your iPod, would you tell the police that they stole not only the iPod but all the music on it?? Would you really add an $500 to your insurance claim for the music, even though you still have the CDs at home??

[TimDaddy]

The question really is an ethical and moral issue. Try rephrasing it. I spend $20000 of my hard earned money to buy a nice new car. Someone just stole it. Well, dang it that car was mine so now I have the right to go steal someone else's. Or, even better, that greedy car company should replace my car, or I should sue them to get money to buy another one. Downloading music off a P2P is stealing, no matter how you look at it. Yes I don't like the way the RIAA has handled things, and yes it big time sucks when your things get stolen, but stealing right back doesn't help things at all.

First of all, I agree that downloading music that you have never purchased is stealing. I have done it in the past, but at least I'm honest about what I really did.

But, in this case, I must disagree with you. It costs a lot of money to build each car. If your car is stolen, and you go steal another one, then you have taken something of value from someone else. When you download a song, you have not taken anything from anyone. (If you have already purchased it.) If you were to go to the store and steal a new copy of the cd, then you are a theif. If you have already bought the cd, and it was destroyed or lost, downloading the songs again doesn't hurt anyone. You have already paid for your music. You are not taking anything from anyone. The artist doesn't suffer from lost sale because under normal circumstances you don't buy the same cd twice. He already made the potential sale to you. He got his crumbs from the record company pigs.

[solaris]

I would use the insurance money to buy me something nice, then burn out a copy for my most frequently used discs from my FLAC backups! :)

Considering I have 4-500 original CDs, which cost an average of USD 25, that would bring me a good amount of cash... LOL

Solaris

[idkew]

I would use the insurance money to buy me something nice, then burn out a copy for my most frequently used discs from my FLAC backups! :)

Considering I have 4-500 original CDs, which cost an average of USD 25, that would bring me a good amount of cash... LOL

Solaris


does your insurance company cover stolen cds? not all do.

[solaris]

does your insurance company cover stolen cds? not all do.Yeah, it would be covered by my home insurance. :)