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purell16
Apr 29, 2004, 05:16 PM
Does anyone know what a G4 iBook at 1.2ghz would be equivalent to (in terms of Pentium)? (Like...the iBook G4 at 1.2ghz runs as fast as a Pentium 4 at 2.66ghz)...that was just for instance, I actually dont know what the real equivalent is...thats why im posting!

Thanx
-Jason

stoid
Apr 29, 2004, 05:31 PM
My Aluminum 15 inch PowerBook last rev at 1.25GHz can kick the crap out of my friend's 2.7Ghz PC laptop six ways from Sunday. How the iBook compares to my laptop, I'm not sure.

powerbook4me
Apr 29, 2004, 05:34 PM
My Aluminum 15 inch PowerBook last rev at 1.25GHz can kick the crap out of my friend's 2.7Ghz PC laptop six ways from Sunday. How the iBook compares to my laptop, I'm not sure.


LoL....I find this hard to believe, even if that 2.7 was a celeron :rolleyes:

abhishekit
Apr 29, 2004, 05:47 PM
Does anyone know what a G4 iBook at 1.2ghz would be equivalent to (in terms of Pentium)? (Like...the iBook G4 at 1.2ghz runs as fast as a Pentium 4 at 2.66ghz)...that was just for instance, I actually dont know what the real equivalent is...thats why im posting!

Thanx
-Jason

it depends on what r u doing..i run matlab, on my ibook g4 800, 640 mb ram, and in my lab on a p4 2.8 gig, 1 gb ram, running linux..and believe it or not, p4 is only marginally faster..like a delay of 3-4 seconds..

musicpyrite
Apr 29, 2004, 06:01 PM
I think I heard somewhere that a 1.25 GHz PPC processor is equal to about a 3.0 GHz Pentium. I don't know how accurate that is, but it really depends on the RAM, cache, application your testing, and most importantly the OS.

And shouldn't you re-name this thread ''Motorola vs. Intel''?

gekko513
Apr 29, 2004, 06:07 PM
Does anyone know what a G4 iBook at 1.2ghz would be equivalent to (in terms of Pentium)? (Like...the iBook G4 at 1.2ghz runs as fast as a Pentium 4 at 2.66ghz)...that was just for instance, I actually dont know what the real equivalent is...thats why im posting!

Thanx
-Jason
It very much depends on what you're doing. Some of my own C++ programs have been twice as fast on a PowerBook G4 1GHz compared to a Pentium 4 2GHz. On other applications, the Pentium wins by a large margin.

For "general use" I would make a wild guess and say that a G4 at 1.2GHz feels as fast as a Pentium M at 1.4GHz which should feel as fast as a Pentium 4 at 1.9 GHz.

purell16
Apr 29, 2004, 06:10 PM
I was under the impression that the Apple laptops were a whole lot faster than laptops with Intel Processors. After reading all the replies, it seems like I could get an Intel Pentium 4 at 2.66 ghz for under the price of a 12 inch powerbook and it would be faster

powerbook4me
Apr 29, 2004, 06:12 PM
I was under the impression that the Apple laptops were a whole lot faster than laptops with Intel Processors. After reading all the replies, it seems like I could get an Intel Pentium 4 at 2.66 ghz for under the price of a 12 inch powerbook and it would be faster


Oh yea, intel has them beat by far, especially with centrino.

But you won't find one as small as the 12 incher for the same price :D

gundamguy
Apr 29, 2004, 06:17 PM
But then you have a crappy looking laptop and can only run Windows (or Linux, but I hate the power managment Linux uses for portables)
You must not have a mac now or you wouldnt even be thinking about a intel notebook.

powerbook4me
Apr 29, 2004, 06:20 PM
But then you have a crappy looking laptop


Common Apple-user misconception: There are other nice looking x86 laptops out there, they just cost a bit more ;)

johnbro23
Apr 29, 2004, 06:25 PM
I think I heard somewhere that a 1.25 GHz PPC processor is equal to about a 3.0 GHz Pentium.

What? I thought they were comparing the 2 GHz G5's at the 2003 WWDC to a 3.06 Xeon, "the fastest PC money could buy". I'm not really a computer geek so I dont know if theres a difference between Xeon and Pentium, but I thought they were similar at least.

gekko513
Apr 29, 2004, 06:30 PM
I was under the impression that the Apple laptops were a whole lot faster than laptops with Intel Processors. After reading all the replies, it seems like I could get an Intel Pentium 4 at 2.66 ghz for under the price of a 12 inch powerbook and it would be faster
The Apple laptops may not be as fast as an Intel based laptop when it comes to zipping files or making a word-table of contents, but you'll probably be more productive on an Apple laptop for 3 reasons:

1. The G4 at 1.2 GHz will not slow you down in most task, nor will a Pentium or AMD based processor. Unless you're into heavy gaming, serious video editing or similar stuff, the G4 is more than good enough.
2. Mac OSX is a wonderful OS. You'll enjoy working with it a lot more than Windows. Mac OSX gives you more time to do your work and less time to tinker with settings, drivers and viruses. Tinkering with settings in Mac OSX is usually done because you want to, not because you have to.
3. The iLife software you get with all new Apple computer can turn the most boring person into a creative and productive person. :D

purell16
Apr 29, 2004, 06:38 PM
Well, Im gonna have to say I am very dissapointed. I have never owned an apple before so I really wanted one. The entire time I thought that apple computers were way faster than Pentium's. But it seems like I was wrong.

Dippo
Apr 29, 2004, 06:43 PM
I was under the impression that the Apple laptops were a whole lot faster than laptops with Intel Processors. After reading all the replies, it seems like I could get an Intel Pentium 4 at 2.66 ghz for under the price of a 12 inch powerbook and it would be faster


I don't know that getting a P4 2.66 Ghz laptop would be a good idea. That thing would suck the battery dry in no time.

You might want to look at the Pentium M, because they are built for mobile machines. They are clocked lower but are just as powerful if not more.

gekko513
Apr 29, 2004, 06:46 PM
What can I say. If you need the fastest laptop there is, I think you'll have to go for an AMD 64 based right now.

If speed isn't the only thing that matters, then I suggest you get an Apple laptop. You won't be disappointed.

Dippo
Apr 29, 2004, 06:48 PM
Well, Im gonna have to say I am very dissapointed. I have never owned an apple before so I really wanted one. The entire time I thought that apple computers were way faster than Pentium's. But it seems like I was wrong.


If you are wanting to buy a laptop for pure power, then sure go with a PC with a "pentium".

Of course if you want a laptop that is actually productive, has actual battery life, and looks good. Go with an Apple.

purell16
Apr 29, 2004, 06:49 PM
what Laptop does everyone recommend on a budget of $1700?

Dippo
Apr 29, 2004, 06:51 PM
what Laptop does everyone recommend on a budget of $1700?


It really depends on what you are planning to do with it.

Gaming, video editing, surfing, development, watch movies, etc?
How much concern is battery life, screen size, etc?

Krizoitz
Apr 29, 2004, 07:01 PM
If you are wanting to buy a laptop for pure power, then sure go with a PC with a "pentium".

Of course if you want a laptop that is actually productive, has actual battery life, and looks good. Go with an Apple.

Exactly. Also of note is that we are comparing Desktop Pentiums to Laptop G4s. Were we to compare Laptop Intel processors the difference would be more dramatic, while Intel may stick a 3ghz chip in a laptop it isn't usually running that fast because of the heat, they actually cycle down the proccesors in the laptops to lower hz.

As for Apple's being faster, the G5 is right up there with the latest Intel chips. Unfortunately they haven't been able to get enough quantities and/or the heat issue solved to put it in a laptop...YET.

gekko513
Apr 29, 2004, 07:03 PM
what Laptop does everyone recommend on a budget of $1700?

$1399 iBook 14" 1,2GHz (edu discount)
$123 512MB RAM from Crucial
$62 Apple Wireless Mouse (unless you want a 3 button mouse)

$1584 Total

Koodauw
Apr 29, 2004, 07:05 PM
Common Apple-user misconception: There are other nice looking x86 laptops out there, they just cost a bit more ;)


Ah yes, Cheap plastic and thicker than a large text book.... That is the type of style I want!

I dissagree, I have yet to see a laptop that is x86 that is near the style of an Apple. Everytime I see someone with one I can't help to think.. "Man you got hosed" (I know, I know, I should really find out whats on the inside, its not all about outward appearance.)

On your budget you could get a maxed out 12'' PB, or a Refurb 15'' PB with a combo drive. I am sure a 15'' PB would make more than happy. I know many people who do Photoshop and video editing with them without a problem. Speed these days has become a bragging right (IMO). I would imagine 1.25 would be plenty fast.

powerbook4me
Apr 29, 2004, 07:07 PM
Ah yes, Cheap plastic and thicker than a large text book.... That is the type of style I want!

I dissagree, I have yet to see a laptop that is x86 that is near the style of an Apple. Everytime I see someone with one I can't help to think.. "Man you got hosed" (I know, I know, I should really find out whats on the inside before I should be judgemental)

No, they all aren't cheap plastic and thicker.....

Just becuase you haven't seen one, doesn't mean they don't exist.

7on
Apr 29, 2004, 07:09 PM
iBook or 12" Powerbook

That's what I would get. But I don't play many games. Also, in my experience OSX is way faster multitasking than Windows. Try burning a CD, encoding a DVD, playing iTunes, and browsing the internet. Well on OSX all ran smoothly. Plus I didn't mention Chatting as well. OSX has excellent memory management. This makes it seem faster than convential x86 processors. It is also why it Macs can be slower than PCs and PCs sometimes slower than Macs. Running one app at a time (like games) in a PC is clearly faster. However, in "real" apps Macs pull ahead.

purell16
Apr 29, 2004, 07:16 PM
thanx everyone for helping me out! Im think im gonna go with the 12 inch PB....does anyone know if you can get the educational discount in high school?

markjones05
Apr 29, 2004, 07:27 PM
LoL....I find this hard to believe, even if that 2.7 was a celeron :rolleyes:

You shouldn't. I had a 2.5 Ghz Dell laptop that ran like a snail compared to an 800mhz G4 iBook. Apples are built more efficiently to maximize clock speed. The people at Apple said as an example to me one time a 1 GHZ G4 Apple is roughly equivelant to a 2-2.5 GHZ P4 PC.

Mav451
Apr 29, 2004, 07:28 PM
iBook or 12" Powerbook

That's what I would get. But I don't play many games. Also, in my experience OSX is way faster multitasking than Windows. Try burning a CD, encoding a DVD, playing iTunes, and browsing the internet. Well on OSX all ran smoothly. Plus I didn't mention Chatting as well. OSX has excellent memory management. This makes it seem faster than convential x86 processors. It is also why it Macs can be slower than PCs and PCs sometimes slower than Macs. Running one app at a time (like games) in a PC is clearly faster. However, in "real" apps Macs pull ahead.

I wonder what you mean by "real apps". Some reason this reminds me of the same reason Intel Hyperthreading allows the user multitask "better".

Isn't it true in both cases, that optimizations are one of the biggest factors? With Apple, as a company using specific hardware, the software is also written specifically for its architecture--and if it isn't, perhaps these "real" apps will run slower.

Has anyone done a study on this? I know with Intel, HT puts Pentiums up on a pedastal b/c of the inherent HT optimizations, while AMD relies on architecture/chipset advantages ALONE to optimize (while the FX/64's have sse2, they do not have HThreading).

Mav451
Apr 29, 2004, 07:36 PM
You shouldn't. I had a 2.5 Ghz Dell laptop that ran like a snail compared to an 800mhz G4 iBook. Apples are built more efficiently to maximize clock speed. The people at Apple said as an example to me one time a 1 GHZ G4 Apple is roughly equivelant to a 2-2.5 GHZ P4 PC.

Heh, I believe the difference between the P4 Mobile and Pentium Mobile (Centrino) illustrates this discrepancy. And old review, but still surprising at the least.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20030205/centrino-15.html#direct_3d_performance_3d_mark_2001_se

Using game performance (as an overall) comparison between the two, pay attention to the bottom two QuakeIII benches.

1) 75 fps vs. 148 fps
(2.2 P4-M vs. 1.6 P-M).

2) 63 fps vs. 233 fps.

While the vid cards are different (ATi 7500 for P4-M, Geforce4 440go for P-M), the lower clock rate still should raise some eyebrows *_*

ingenious
Apr 29, 2004, 08:56 PM
Common Apple-user misconception: There are other nice looking x86 laptops out there, they just cost a bit more ;)


i still think they're VERY ugly...... AluBooks are soo much better. :D

ingenious
Apr 29, 2004, 08:59 PM
Well, Im gonna have to say I am very dissapointed. I have never owned an apple before so I really wanted one. The entire time I thought that apple computers were way faster than Pentium's. But it seems like I was wrong.


keep reading

ingenious
Apr 29, 2004, 09:03 PM
what Laptop does everyone recommend on a budget of $1700?


the 12" PB

http://store.apple.com

u wont be disapointed

Krizoitz
Apr 29, 2004, 09:06 PM
You shouldn't. I had a 2.5 Ghz Dell laptop that ran like a snail compared to an 800mhz G4 iBook. Apples are built more efficiently to maximize clock speed. The people at Apple said as an example to me one time a 1 GHZ G4 Apple is roughly equivelant to a 2-2.5 GHZ P4 PC.

This is very true. The RISC architecture used in the PowerPC is a far more efficient one than the CISC Pentium.

The classic example is this. If it takes the PowerPC 3 steps to do something and the Pentium 7, then even if the Pentium has twice the clock speed it will still be slower.

Add into more technical things like pipe stalls, and you'll see that MHZ/GHZ is not a very accurate measure of how efficient a proccesor is.

stoid
Apr 29, 2004, 09:18 PM
No, they all aren't cheap plastic and thicker.....

Just becuase you haven't seen one, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Why don't you enlighten us with a link then? ;)

Not that I don't believe you, but I too have yet to see a PC laptop and think, "Wow, there's a good looking laptop!"

powerbook4me
Apr 29, 2004, 09:20 PM
Why don't you enlighten us with a link then? ;)

Not that I don't believe you, but I too have yet to see a PC laptop and think, "Wow, there's a good looking laptop!"

Nah, not willing to put that much effort into this thread.

Jigglelicious
Apr 29, 2004, 09:22 PM
what Laptop does everyone recommend on a budget of $1700?

I'd recommend the 15" Refurb Powerbook for $1499 on Apples site over the 12" PB, unless you really want the portability. Larger/better screen plus much faster video card for nearly the same price as the 12" make it worthwhile.

RBMaraman
Apr 29, 2004, 09:32 PM
does anyone know if you can get the educational discount in high school?

If you're a student, no. If your mom or dad is a teacher or administrator, then yes.

If you are a high school senior that has already been accepted into college, then you can purchase through your universities education store.

Westside guy
Apr 29, 2004, 09:54 PM
Hey guys,

Once the original poster has said "okay, thanks, I'm getting a 12-inch Powerbook" don't you think the endless silly debates about how PCs sux0rz or c3ntr!n0 rul3z could, like, die; or at least go somewhere else? There are dozens - maybe even hundreds - of near-identical argumen... er, threads already on this forum. It's pretty pointless.

musicpyrite
Apr 29, 2004, 10:19 PM
Well, Im gonna have to say I am very dissapointed. I have never owned an apple before so I really wanted one. The entire time I thought that apple computers were way faster than Pentium's. But it seems like I was wrong.

I'd like to show you (and everybody else) something:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3997

Diatribe
Apr 29, 2004, 10:31 PM
Common Apple-user misconception: There are other nice looking x86 laptops out there, they just cost a bit more ;)

Geeez here we go again...
Got links to back it up or is this just again an "opinion" of you?

Nah, not willing to put that much effort into this thread.

Great, why don't you save us the time and don't post at all. I believe we had a discussion about your inane posts before... it's just wasting everyone's time having to read it and my time responding to it which I will cease to do from now on.
Gotta love the ignore feature. :D

powerbook4me
Apr 29, 2004, 11:05 PM
Geeez here we go again...
Got links to back it up or is this just again an "opinion" of you?



Great, why don't you save us the time and don't post at all. I believe we had a discussion about your inane posts before... it's just wasting everyone's time having to read it and my time responding to it which I will cease to do from now on.
Gotta love the ignore feature. :D

Oh get a ****ing life.
Most people on here with a little common sense know that there are good looking PC laptops out there, they just cost more $$.

Koodauw
Apr 29, 2004, 11:21 PM
Oh get a ****ing life.
Most people on here with a little common sense know that there are good looking PC laptops out there, they just cost more $$.

I would like to see one, as would other members I am sure. Help us to have some common sense.

Stoid if your really interested check out www.dynamism.com
Its all imported laptops from around the world. I found it interesting. You might have seen it already. I didn't find anything as cool as an PB/iBook though. And I agree with you, I have yet to see a PC that looks as good as an Apple