Chinese Forum Poster Claims Next Generation iPhone Details

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We've been keeping an eye on some reports coming out of Chinese forum Weiphone over the past couple of weeks, and it appears the reports are starting to spread. In early May, a forum poster from the Chinese site (http://www.weiphone.com/thread-346414-1-1.html) posted specs and a screenshot from what is claimed to be the next generation iPhone.

The image above was uploaded and seems to depict a new iPhone model number "MB717LL" with 32GB of Storage. If the original poster's claims are to be believed, the new iPhone will contain the following features:

- 600MHz CPU Speed (up from 400MHz)
- 256MB RAM (up from 128MB)
- Digital Compass and FM
- 3.2 megapixel camera with auto focus
- 32GB size
- No major changes in battery, screen and external casing.

As far as we can tell, the original poster has no track record for accurate information, though the Chinese web/forums have been a common source (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/10/08/macbook-pro-brick-casing-photo/) of early photos of recent Apple releases including the unibody MacBook and MacBook Pro casings.

Article Link: Chinese Forum Poster Claims Next Generation iPhone Details (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/11/chinese-forum-poster-claims-next-generation-iphone-details/)

[tMac85]

id like to see the casing change just a bit. not that there is much room to design much, but none the less.

[dissdnt]

Sounds like a dud. I doubt that's it.

[Ron21]

Sounds like a dud. I doubt that's it.

why?

I personally think this is the closest so far to what we will see in the near future.

[nfl46]

Dang, no changes to the look. SIGH.

[trainguy77]

I think thats very possible. This released probably won't have a ton of changes short of software.

[Sky Blue]

why?

I personally think is the closest so far to what we will see in the near future.

Yup, me too. Seems to jive with what we know.

[transam7816]

so the chinese have at&t as a carrier?

[t0mat0]

Quick question
Why is Network another menu?
Version number - does it check out?
Carrier as AT&T3.5 ?
Does the model number of serial end check out?

Does the current phone work on Chinese carriers? Why wasn't this mentioned? Used on US AT&T then why the 3.5 (3.5G?)

[mikeinternet]

we need a release date!

[actorkid]

where is the picture?

[daneoni]

Sounds like a lame update. I guess no need to upgrade from the 3G then.

3.2MP for a media centric device...really?...in 2009?

so the chinese have at&t as a carrier?

The phone supports international languages?

[chstr]

looks like a pretty significant upgrade if true. wonder what it would cost

[Ron21]

The one thing that I'm hoping they will add, apart from those specs, is an OLED screen.

[atropos]

Isn't iPhone OS need 700mb of storage? :confused:

[Ron21]

Sounds like a lame update. I guess no need to upgrade from the 3G then.

3.2MP for a media centric device...really?...in 2009?



The phone supports international languages?

MP doesn't matter as long as the optics are good.

[chstr]

Isn't iPhone OS need 700mb of storage? :confused:

what:confused:

[naeD]

Makes sense in a way. Maybe a modest update and a drop to $179? Add in a few new apps from Apple, like the previously rumored iMovie app, and I'd be excited.

[zap2]

Sounds like a nice amount of RAM(heck my aging Mac is only 1.25Gbs)

Still a 3.2MP camera is a little weak, I hope we see improved software usage of the camera. Also no new battery is troubling...again, hope software can make it last longer.

32GB sounds good though!

[noodle654]

Sounds good...but it needs a better battery, it can't possibly power all that with the same battery.

[papaburgundy]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

Have to change the case. These tiny cracks I'm getting on the edge of the plastic casing really suck.

[jbrandonf]

I was looking forward to hearing about a battery upgrade. An enhanced processor would mean lower battery with the current solution. Dammit Apple!

I'm glad that there wasn't a change to design, I won't have to buy new screen protectors or cases.

[macduke]

Hmmm...the Palm Pre uses a 600 MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU.

My biggest complaint with this is only 256mb or ram and the lack of a battery upgrade. However, while it is important to realize that this is double the ram in the current iPhone and that this will cut down on a lot of application crashes, 512mb of ram shouldn't be that expensive to produce. In addition, many of the parts will no doubt sport better power efficiency and will therefore run longer on the same battery. Though seeing as the short battery life was the biggest shortcoming listed on JD Power ans Associate's iPhone award, and now that 3.0 is coming out my its my only remaining gripe with the current iPhone, it would be nice to see a 20% bump in battery capacity to get me through my busy day.

From what I've read online, the newest version of the old bluetooth chipset found in the current iPhone supports FM reception in addition to transmission. So this seems to validate that point to some extent. I hope that this means that we will be able to pair our iPhone's with the FM receiver in our car. Not all of us have bluetooth or new radios that are iPod aux input compatible. Especially college students like me who spend all their extra cash on things like iPhones and women.

[Andreios]

If this rumor is true it would be exactly what I have been waiting for for the iPhone. As much as I love most of the iPhone's features I have wanted it to have a better camera and more storage space and I think this would fit the bill nicely.

Not too bothered about the Digital Compass and FM tuner, the spec bump will be nice to as long as the battery life won't suffer too much.

Now all that needs to happen is for O2 and Apple to reduce the pay as you go price by £50 and I would buy one in a heartbeat.

[PoitNarf]

Isn't iPhone OS need 700mb of storage? :confused:

Yes, the OS and built-in apps take up approximately 700MB on the flash memory in the iPhone. What's your point? 32GB can contain the iPhone OS just about 46 times over.

[=MuLti-CeLL=]

Well that would be just perfect for my first iPhone. Looking foward to this model if it's all true.

I must say though, I have to agree with the post about the casing in need of an upgrade to resolve these cracking issues a lot of folks are having. Of course, I won't let that stop me from getting one, that's what a good case is for anyhow. :)

[daneoni]

MP doesn't matter as long as the optics are good.

That point should be reassuring but for some reason it isn't. The only positive for me is the autofocus.

On another note i'm guessing they bumped the CPU/RAM to make it a more robust gaming platform thats all

[macduke]

I was looking forward to hearing about a battery upgrade. An enhanced processor would mean lower battery with the current solution. Dammit Apple!

I'm glad that there wasn't a change to design, I won't have to buy new screen protectors or cases.

Actually, with many of the advances in processor design over the past two years, a faster processor would most likely consume less power than what we have now. Especially with the acquisition of the PA Semi team who can tweak things at a low level. I'm personally looking forward to getting a little better frame rate in NFS Most Wanted.

[PoitNarf]

Version number - does it check out?

3.0 beta 5 is build # 7A312g, so the 7A306 listed in the screen shot would be slightly older than what the developers have their hands on right now.

[Ntombi]

If that's the case, it'll make it easier for me to stay with the 3G for another year. I'll still want to upgrade, but I'll likely be able to talk myself out of it. :o

[atropos]

what:confused:
Oh nothing my bad~ :D But I doubt if it is real:confused:

What I said is I thought the 700 mb does reflect on the usage, but in fact it is not.....

[randomusername]

My biggest complaint with this is only 256mb or ram and the lack of a battery upgrade. .

First, this "leak" can be fake. And second, if true, it only said there would be no major updates to battery. That means there could be a small bump to accommodate the spec bumps and major a little more juice to increase battery life compared to the iPhone 3G, too. Nothing major just means it's not gonna be "The new iPhone. Now with 20 hours of talk time".

[cocky jeremy]

Other than no battery upgrade, I'm not disappointed if this is true. Battery life as it is now isn't great.. throw in another 20-25% drop off with Push. That = need for a better battery!

[macduke]

MP doesn't matter as long as the optics are good.

Haha, you are funny.

Optics are very important, but megapixels aren't completely unimportant. 3.2 megapixels is only good for 4x6 prints, which will be good enough for most people. But I'd take a 12mp sensor with a kit lens over a 3.2mp sensor on Canon L glass. You just can't get a lot of detail at that resolution, even with a good lens.

BTW, one of the biggest problems with most camera phones are image noise. The pixel density on the sensor is too high and they come out too grainy, especially in shadow areas. They would also have to make the imaging sensor in the iPhone larger, which would make the camera assembly bigger, which makes it less practical.

[apfhex]

The pixel density on the sensor is too high and they come out too grainy, especially in shadow areas. They would also have to make the imaging sensor in the iPhone larger, which would make the camera assembly bigger, which makes it less practical.
If they can increase pixel count without making the quality any (or well, noticeably) worse, then that's fine. But as you say, they jam too much into the teeny sensor and the results just aren't great. Do people really like to make prints of their phone photos?

With beefier hardware, push notifications coming, and other things, the battery life seems like it's going to be :( unless they can work some magic.

[UniPro]

God if this is true I definitely won't be upgrading. I am very happy with my 3g especially now that I replaced the back case. The new iPhone would have to have something pretty bloody spectacular to make me upgrade. And that's saying something because I usually get the latest tech toys.

[pika2000]

Finally! Auto-focus. No more excuse for blurry spy shots. :D My old SE Cybershot phone has been doing auto-focus for years. Now all we need are rumors that Apply would sell the new iPhone unlocked in the US (wishful thinking).

[luminosity]

It's like going back to the future with the increases in processing power and RAM. What used to describe desktop computers is now applied to a cell phone.

Rather remarkable, all in all.

[zpesk]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.

[dizzy13]

I really don't think they will stick with the same battery. Some of the new MacBooks have the built in new battery which extends the life a good amount.

Hopefully they can improve the battery enough to allow true background apps in the next gen iPhone.

[wizard]

I can't see how anybody could complain if this was true. It would Neva very nice upgrade to the current model.

Some things to note:

1.
Battery life might not be impacted negatively at all. It depends on many things of course. One would be PA delivering a very low power SoC. Another is the reality that just about every support chip in the current iPhone has newer versions available that are lower power. Plus a newer battery is always possible.

2.
The doubling of RAM is bigger than it appears. That due to extra processes running to support the phone & online functionality. It would be far more than a doubling of RAM available to an app. This will be huge for apps if true.

3.
I have to agree with the side that says that optics are more important than megapixels. It is a reality folks. Of course software is important for digital cameras but we have already seen that they are trying to address that. 3.2 mega pixels done right are very useful. More over if Apple adopts one of the new back illuminated sensors hitting the market this could lead to bleeding edge low light performance. Don't complain here until all the facts are in.


All that being said I really want a unit with a slightly larger screen. I will likely wait a bit for it too. Oh one other thing if the new processor is Cortex based the speed up would be more than the 600MHz indicates or they could be talking equivalent performance.

Dave

[Dwalls90]

Not thrilled that there is no change to the battery. The battery life is just decent at best, and will be depleted even faster with these increases in processing power. I would have liked to have seen a battery that lasted at least 1.5x as long as the G2 iPhone.

And why no 3G 2.0? (7.2mb.s, versus the current 3.6mb/s)

Obviously they're keeping the same OS/interface, I think that's good. Why change a good thing? iPhone 3.0 software should perfect it IMO.

[ipedro]

I like those specs:

32GB √
3.2MP cam with autofocus √
Increased performance √

I'd just like to see a return to a metal enclosure, closer to the iPod touch. Maybe they can get it as thin. That would be awesome.

[randomusername]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.

That does not indicate a fake. Capacities are always lower than advertised. My 250GB MacBook is really 220GB. The 16GB iPhone is really <15GB. The 32GB iPod Touch is probably around 29GB.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.
Oh this again :rolleyes:

[koala]

3.2 megapixels is only good for 4x6 prints, which will be good enough for most people.

Speaking as the happy owner of a 4MP Canon 1D, I'd question your assertion. Now, granted, a 3.2MP camera embedded in a phone with mediocre lens, yeah, I could see 4x6 being a reasonable max, but a tightly packed 12MP in a camera with mediocre lens wouldn't be all that much of an improvement.

12MP + microscopic sensor = noisy at any speed.

[str1f3]

It's hard to know if this is true but I would have liked to have seen a better battery and processor. The rest, such as video, is all about software.

[na1577]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.

The 16GB iPod touch only has 14.6 GB of available space.

[ipedro]

Perhaps we'll see Apple moving towards a consistent look with its unibody Macbooks.

A pressed aluminum case could be thinner than the current plastic yet tougher. Add an all black glass top and micro perforations for the speakers and status lights like the MB's and you've got yourself one sexy, plastic free iPhone. :D

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Perhaps we'll see Apple moving towards a consistent look with its unibody Macbooks.

A pressed aluminum case could be thinner than the current plastic yet tougher. Add an all black glass top and micro perforations for the speakers and status lights like the MB's and you've got yourself one sexy, plastic free iPhone. :D
Oh jeeze! I'd grab two if they were like that. Especially if they had the blackberry led light hidden like the lights on the new macbooks.

[dlewis23]

Not thrilled that there is no change to the battery. The battery life is just decent at best, and will be depleted even faster with these increases in processing power. I would have liked to have seen a battery that lasted at least 1.5x as long as the G2 iPhone.

And why no 3G 2.0? (7.2mb.s, versus the current 3.6mb/s)

Obviously they're keeping the same OS/interface, I think that's good. Why change a good thing? iPhone 3.0 software should perfect it IMO.

We already know there is going to be faster 3G on this one because AT&T is upgrading there network.

[rhcpsteve]

In 4 weeks we'll find out.. :D I can't wait! I just hope they start shipping sooner than the 3G's last year:rolleyes:

[The General]

Good enough for me, I can't wait to buy it! Hopefully the back is matte black like we saw in the leaked photo. :)

[trainguy77]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.

That does not indicate a fake. Capacities are always lower than advertised. My 250GB MacBook is really 220GB. The 16GB iPhone is really <15GB. The 32GB iPod Touch is probably around 29GB.

The 16GB iPod touch only has 14.6 GB of available space.

This explains why that is: http://www.techimo.com/forum/storage-related/157623-real-advertised-hard-drive-sizes-why-you-dont-get-all-space-you-pay.html

Its because how the OS and the hardware manufacturer counts a GB is different.

[Ron21]

Perhaps we'll see Apple moving towards a consistent look with its unibody Macbooks.

A pressed aluminum case could be thinner than the current plastic yet tougher. Add an all black glass top and micro perforations for the speakers and status lights like the MB's and you've got yourself one sexy, plastic free iPhone. :D

Won't happen unless they figure out how to handle reception..

I always wondered why the chrome ring around the phone can't be the antenna itself? Why do we need a plastic back? Doesn't the signal penetrate the front glass?

[xhambonex]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.

haha no. he is some technical boring stuff, the manufacturers of hard drives measure GB using decimal counting instead of binary, such as using powers of 10 instead of 2, which means 1GB for them is 1000MB instead of 1024MB and 1000KB is a MB instead of 1024, etc... blah blah blah you actually start with less so around 29 would be correct.

[arvinb]

nice, it would then be as powerful as the 5 year old laptop i use to read comics at night.

[fleshman03]

HA-Ha

FM!!! Yeah - Right

Although, it could be used to play over the radio.... Useful for GPS stuff + General music. If it has an FM receiver/transmitter anyway, why not make use of it and make one more selling point?

[alexbates]

Great news, I love that the memory is shown to be doubled. I hope this turns out to be true.... :)

[daneoni]

...I always wondered why the chrome ring around the phone can't be the antenna itself?.....

It is (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/wireless.html)

[winterspan]

a couple points...


1) the performance of a CPU is far more complicated than just "whats the speed". It's very likely the next iPhone will use a chip based around an ARM Cortex-A8 core instead of the older ARM11architecture. The Cortex-A8 (which can run at speeds up to 1.0Ghz) can be more than twice as fast as the ARM11 at the *same clock speed* (depending on the application.) So even a 600mhz Cortex-A8 (coincidentally exactly what the Palm Pre uses) would be far faster than the 400mhz ARM11 in the current iPhone 3G.

Also, the ARM core is only one part of the performance equation. Depending on the manufacturer and model, SoCs also can have additional floating point units, SIMD units, DSPs, and other components that affect performance.

2) No mention of the GPU. Similar to the ARM core, it is likely that the new iPhone will use the next-generation of graphics processors from Imagination. The current iPhone uses the PowerVR "MBX lite" and the next-generation is the PowerVR SGX. Unlike the MBX, the SGX comes in a half-dozen models that are progressively more powerful. Depending on the one that gets choosen for the new iPhone, its graphics chip should be 1.5x-3x faster than the current one.

[Lepton]

I always wondered why the chrome ring around the phone can't be the antenna itself?The ring is one of the antennas!

"iPhone 3G delivers UMTS, HSDPA, GSM, Wi-Fi, EDGE, GPS, and Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR in one compact device — using only two antennas. Clever iPhone engineering integrates those antennas into a few unexpected places: the metal ring around the camera, the audio jack, the metal screen bezel, and the iPhone circuitry itself." - Apple.com

[Revelation78]

Not thrilled that there is no change to the battery. The battery life is just decent at best, and will be depleted even faster with these increases in processing power. I would have liked to have seen a battery that lasted at least 1.5x as long as the G2 iPhone.

And why no 3G 2.0? (7.2mb.s, versus the current 3.6mb/s)

Obviously they're keeping the same OS/interface, I think that's good. Why change a good thing? iPhone 3.0 software should perfect it IMO.

FYI, the upgraded 3G network is NOT called 3G 2.0! It's called 3.5G, 3.5G is capable of going up to 20 Mb/s. AT&T is prepping the 3.5G to run at 7.2 Mb/s for the v3 iPhone launch. Furthermore AT&T plans to roll out 3.5G @ 20 Mb/s starting in December.

Most likely the 20 Mb/s will only be available for data cards, though there's a chance we'll see it in the new iPhone this summer. (don't hold your breath)

[Goona]

Sounds like a lame update. I guess no need to upgrade from the 3G then.

3.2MP for a media centric device...really?...in 2009?



The phone supports international languages?

Would you like 12 MP?

[rtdunham]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.


The 16GB iPod touch only has 14.6 GB of available space.

ipso facto, the 16 GB iPod touch is obviously fake, too. :D

[Ron21]

It is (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/wireless.html)

****! I was just about to apply for a patent! ;)

[Diode]

I'll buy it if it drops fewer calls ...

Oh and my OS 3.0 lists the carrier as AT&T 3.5

[1984]

Sounds like a lame update. I guess no need to upgrade from the 3G then.

3.2MP for a media centric device...really?...in 2009?


I believe 3.2MP is probably the sweet spot. Cramming too many pixels into a tiny sensor (the smaller the pixels the less light they can capture and the more amplification they require) means poorer low light performance and more noise. Sure there are phones out there that have more megapixels but the good ones have larger optics and larger sensors but are also thicker than the iPhone.

[daneoni]

What 12 MP be better?

Funny man :rolleyes:

I believe 3.2MP is probably the sweet spot. Cramming too many pixels into a tiny sensor (the smaller the pixels the less light they can capture and the more amplification they require) means poorer low light performance and more noise. Sure there are phones out there that have more megapixels but the good ones have larger optics and larger sensors but are also thicker than the iPhone.

I still think 5MP with good optics is not too much to ask

[ipedro]

The ring is one of the antennas!

"iPhone 3G delivers UMTS, HSDPA, GSM, Wi-Fi, EDGE, GPS, and Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR in one compact device — using only two antennas. Clever iPhone engineering integrates those antennas into a few unexpected places: the metal ring around the camera, the audio jack, the metal screen bezel, and the iPhone circuitry itself." - Apple.com

Very clever indeed. :)

Although I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the idea that the antennae are pointed directly at my face :eek: At the frequency that I use my phone against my face, I'll grow a sibling out of my cheek in a few years.

[HiRez]

Meh. If those specs are true, it's not even enough to get me to upgrade from my original (EDGE) iPhone. And I do want to upgrade. A faster CPU is nice, but some web pages can take over 10x as long to load as on a desktop machine, using WiFi even.

I'll wait for 3.5G/4G data, an 800 MHz CPU (or multicore), and a higher resolution screen (720x480 would be good). I'm much more excited about the 3.0 software and mythical "media tablet" than the new iPhone hardware described here.

[Ron21]

Meh. If those specs are true, it's not even enough to get me to upgrade from my original (EDGE) iPhone. And I do want to upgrade. A faster CPU is nice, but some web pages can take over 10x as long to load as on a desktop machine, using WiFi even.

I'll wait for 4G data, an 800 MHz CPU (or multicore), and a higher resolution screen (720x480 would be good). I'm much more excited about the 3.0 software and mythical "media tablet" than the new iPhone hardware described here.

They can't change the screen resolution.

It would kill most of the apps in the Appstore.

[ipedro]

Here's your camera:

http://www.iphonebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/iphoneelite2.gif

and here's your sexyness:

http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/iphone4g-nextgen.png

Choose one :p

[MadMacxxx]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

I call BS, I know how to use photoshop cs3/4 really well and creating something like this is way too easy.

[alphatectz]

Great news, I love that the memory is shown to be doubled. I hope this turns out to be true.... :)


more memory yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! (happy dance, lol)

but for real i need more proof:D

[ipedro]

more memory yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! (happy dance, lol)

but for real i need more proof:D

I don't think you need proof about that. It's common sense that the memory will (at least) double every generation.

I think I'll skip this generation. I need a 64GB to fit all my music and apps.

[alphatectz]

Here's your camera:

http://www.iphonebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/iphoneelite2.gif

and here's your sexyness:

http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/iphone4g-nextgen.png

Choose one :p

i like the first one, just the camera is tooooooooooo bulky, get rid of that piece of crap and keep something simple, i know zoom can be added to the iphone (jail break apps make it happen) just keep the camera the way it is and add the zoom feature and will be good to go, and i love the ichat camera (great work on this version if it ever comes)

as for the second pic its wack, looks like it will be easy to break :cool:

[alphatectz]

I don't think you need proof about that. It's common sense that the memory will (at least) double every generation.

I think I'll skip this generation. I need a 64GB to fit all my music and apps.


ok let me reword my comment i need more proof of the new iphone, its just rumors now and fake pics, 3.0 is coming out soon but it would be great for a 32 or a 64 g iphone, i'll take both:D

[kdarling]

..., the manufacturers of hard drives measure GB using decimal counting instead of binary, such as using powers of 10 instead of 2, which means 1GB for them is 1000MB instead of 1024MB and 1000KB is a MB instead of 1024, etc...

Not in this case. The iPhone's flash memory is measured in binary because it's a raw memory chip, not a standalone system emulating a drive.

The ring is one of the antennas!

Yep, this is common cell phone design practice. Nothing new.

[Donz0r]

I'm very excited about these specs. I think this is probably what we'll be seeing in a few weeks. Anyone who thinks these are weak upgrades is just kidding themselves. 3.2mp is a good sensor for a camera, 5mp would be overkill and would just result in larger file sizes with the same quality due to the tiny optics. I'm thrilled about autofocus and video recording personally. Faster processor and double the ram?! Yes Please!! The current iPhone does not perform as well as it should. I cannot WAIT until June 8! (At which time I'll be unable to wait another month before I can actually get my hands on one!)

[psingh01]

i wish it had an AM tuner, so I could listen to sports talk!

[rockosmodurnlif]

No battery change, faster processor, higher pixel camera, video recording, faster network (?) and push notifications? Don't go too far from the outlet with this phone.

[spaceballl]

Obviously there's no way to tell if this rumor is true...

However, I can see the benefits of not radically changing the iphone this year. They get a third year to build on the app infrastructure with everyone building for the same platform with the same resolution with pretty close to the same feature set.

I would be totally fine w/ an only marginally better iPhone as long as the battery was WAY better. And by battery, i mean overall battery life, not necessarily the power of the battery - like, if they can use similar components with way better power usage, then count me in :D

[Donz0r]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

I call BS, I know how to use photoshop cs3/4 really well and creating something like this is way too easy.

Probably, but at least this person did their homework. All of these features seem the most logical. The 600MHz (ARM cortex-A8) 256mb ram, 3.2mp camera, 32gig, compass are all completely logical. idk about the FM thing since apple's been so reluctant about it in the past, but don't the new Nano's do FM? so maybe

[nickXedge]

The one thing that I'm hoping they will add, apart from those specs, is an OLED screen.

About a year too soon, unless you want to go back to original iPhone prices? $699 whether you have a contract or not. I'd rather wait until 4.0 and see an OLED screen.

[nickXedge]

No battery change, faster processor, higher pixel camera, video recording, faster network (?) and push notifications? Don't go too far from the outlet with this phone.

Ooooooh, good point. They are crazy about battery life lately, especially with the 17" MBP. I would assume they must upgrade the battery on the new device, especially considering the upgraded hardware.

[Donz0r]

Ooooooh, good point. They are crazy about battery life lately, especially with the 17" MBP. I would assume they must upgrade the battery on the new device, especially considering the upgraded hardware.

The newer hardware sips less battery than the hardware in the 3G. So just b/c the hardware is better doesn't necessarily mean it will consume more power. All of the radio chips will consume less power, the processor will be more efficient, etc.

[The Californian]

I would like to propose a motion for no more screen shots and hardware only spy shots.

All those in favor? Yea
All those against? Nay

[Donz0r]

I would like to propose a motion for no more screen shots and hardware only spy shots.

All those in favor? Yea
All those against? Nay

+1
If this person was really in possession of the new iphone, he/she would post pics.

[libertyforall]

Uggh! STILL NO CAMERA FLASH!? :-(

[libertyforall]

Most AM & FM streams online these days, you can find many in the AOL Radio app, and on others...


i wish it had an AM tuner, so I could listen to sports talk!

[bbplayer5]

You guys that think this is real are very gullible.

[jaw04005]

FM is a red flag for me. Apple hasn't done FM in the iPods since the optional "Radio Remote" accessory for the 5G.

I guess they could use the FM as a transmitter (for vehicles without AUX-in). However, that doesn't sound like Apple either.

[Randykn.]

'AT&T3.5'.. :eek:
so china uses AT&T? or is it an american who uses chinese as his/her regional language?

and no major changes in battery?
isn't it hard enough to run a better processor and ram, this is just going to kill the battery
but it's pretty dissapointing if there isn't much changes in the exterior.
i'm sure everyone was hoping for a major exterior especially for iphone2g owners, like myself. lol

[aprilfools]

between this one and another recent thread, you would think the iPhone is only used in China. I could careless about Chinese font recognition etc... Big deal.
USA baby!

[NAG]

You guys that think this is real are very gullible.

And to say absolutely that this is fake is just an irrational fear of being called gullible. Seriously, stop projecting. :P

We can't really tell much about this either way.

[Donz0r]

You guys that think this is real are very gullible.


Why?

Because of the lack of photo proof from the poster?

or

Because of the lack of credibility from the specs provided?

imo the specs provided seem exactly in line. Apple will market this as a faster iPhone, focus on photo and video capabilities, and compass

[scootaru]

Anyone notice the dimensions of this "screenshot" are 319 x 460 pixels? Seems a little off...

[wizard]

Not thrilled that there is no change to the battery. The battery life is just decent at best, and will be depleted even faster with these increases in processing power. I would have liked to have seen a battery that lasted at least 1.5x as long as the G2 iPhone.

That might not be the case at all. First consider that the ARM 11 is an old design built on an old process. The market is about to be flooded with a whole new generation of ARM chips. Well I should say cores as really the processor is just a subsection on the SoC wafer. In any event we could be looking at a wash with respect to power usage if not less.


And why no 3G 2.0? (7.2mb.s, versus the current 3.6mb/s)

Who says there isn't any? Frankly the web seems silent on this issue. On there other hand AT&T seems to be inba crash program to implement 7.2 mb/s in the major cities. Almost as if they are getting ready for a release from a major partner.


Obviously they're keeping the same OS/interface, I think that's good. Why change a good thing? iPhone 3.0 software should perfect it IMO.

Agh nothing is perfect but if I see multitasking coming I will be smiling. In any event what is already known about 3.0 is looking very good to me as many desires are satisfied.


Dave

[trainguy77]

FM is a red flag for me. Apple hasn't done FM in the iPods since the optional "Radio Remote" accessory for the 5G.

I guess they could use the FM as a transmitter (for vehicles without AUX-in). However, that doesn't sound like Apple either.

Yet the current iPhone even has a chip capable of receiving FM. The new chip is said to also support transmitting FM. So that backs up this rumor.

http://www.9to5mac.com/broadcom-BCM4329-iphone-802.11n-FM

[DarthTreydor]

i wish it had an AM tuner, so I could listen to sports talk!

yeah! and rush limbaugh! :rolleyes:

[BTW]

I'd still like an iPhone flip with 2 or 3 screens, but that might have to wait if this rumor is true.

A pico-projector would be a cool edition with iWork for the iPhone. Project Keynote presentations anywhere then. :cool:

[currentinterest]

There have been reports of two models of iPhone. This may be the "low end" version for the kids.

[iansilv]

I think we are looking at the lower end revision of the two phones to be introduced... just my 2 cents...

[dgcaste]

God if this is true I definitely won't be upgrading. I am very happy with my 3g especially now that I replaced the back case. The new iPhone would have to have something pretty bloody spectacular to make me upgrade. And that's saying something because I usually get the latest tech toys.

And a 50% increase to processor speed, 100% increase to RAM, possible significant increases in 3G speed with minor impact on the battery is not spectacular?

Here's some perspective for you - in a world of little tiny step changes and improvements, this is a pretty big upgrade. Especially when referring to cell phones.

[macduke]

Speaking as the happy owner of a 4MP Canon 1D, I'd question your assertion. Now, granted, a 3.2MP camera embedded in a phone with mediocre lens, yeah, I could see 4x6 being a reasonable max, but a tightly packed 12MP in a camera with mediocre lens wouldn't be all that much of an improvement.

12MP + microscopic sensor = noisy at any speed.

I should have clarified. I was basically referring to SLRs as that's where I have more experience. I'd rather have a crappy kit Rebel XSI or similar than some old 3.2mp with a 24-105L (which is a lens that I own and love).

Last autumn my digital prof wouldn't let me print beyond 11x14" on my 10mp 40d. He actually thought that size was pushing the limits of what 10mp could do and preferred I print 8x10". But I'll just have to deal until I can save up for the 5d mk II. Full frame = this is the pixel density you are looking for.

I do wish the iPhone was more like a point and shoot camera in quality. I don't have a camera that I can just throw in my pocket that takes decent shots. My SLR doesn't fit. I'd prefer to not purchase another camera, but I've been considering it, especially since they're so ridiculously cheap nowadays. Although thats just another thing to throw in the pocket...

[Amethyst]

Only thing i want with my new iPhone is "The front camera".

like a cheap korean and japanese phone that can easily video chat.

[dgcaste]

I should have clarified. I was basically referring to SLRs as that's where I have more experience. I'd rather have a crappy kit Rebel XSI or similar than some old 3.2mp with a 24-105L (which is a lens that I own and love).

Last autumn my digital prof wouldn't let me print beyond 11x14" on my 10mp 40d. He actually thought that size was pushing the limits of what 10mp could do and preferred I print 8x10". But I'll just have to deal until I can save up for the 5d mk II. Full frame = this is the pixel density you are looking for.

I do wish the iPhone was more like a point and shoot camera in quality. I don't have a camera that I can just throw in my pocket that takes decent shots. My SLR doesn't fit. I'd prefer to not purchase another camera, but I've been considering it, especially since they're so ridiculously cheap nowadays. Although thats just another thing to throw in the pocket...

I personally think the iPhone has a decent sensor right now, when used in sunlight, but it's terrible in low light and especially sucky at white balance. Everytime I take a picture of my daughter in the pool her skin turns orange because it reconsiders the overwhelming blues.

[iansilv]

Only thing i want with my new iPhone is "The front camera".

like a cheap korean and japanese phone that can easily video chat.

Yes! That is what I am talking about! I think that will be the differentiating feature between the high and low end models.

[Drag'nGT]

Haha, those specs read like my G4. Wait... :(

Now, for us junkies, the same BS about upgrading I bet. Oh well.

[Drag'nGT]

Only thing i want with my new iPhone is "The front camera".

like a cheap korean and japanese phone that can easily video chat.

America isn't ready for that. AT&T only supports one way video calls. It'll no doubt be a charge that, atleast right now, might make so little sense to most people. Not to mention it's gotta make it's way into everyone's phone before it's feasible. Being first isn't always the best idea.

[Donz0r]

There have been reports of two models of iPhone. This may be the "low end" version for the kids.

I think we are looking at the lower end revision of the two phones to be introduced... just my 2 cents...

:confused: Are you guys serious?
iPhone -> iPhone3G = faster network access, gps, upgraded capacity
iPhone3G -> iPhone 2009 = faster processor, ram, magnetometer for augmented reality and precision control, upgraded camera resolution/optics for better pictures and video recording/editing on the device, upgraded capacity

The iPhone 3G had 2 selling points that Apple marketed agressivly: 3G speed and GPS
This spec list has 2 marketing selling points: magnetometer, and photo/video capabilities as well as faster overall performance

Seems like a perfectly fine upgrade to me. Plenty to push me over the edge, personally, and just enough to make everyone else buy one too.

and what would the "high end" iPhone include more than these specs? a front facing camera?! give me a break, this is Apple, not nokia. They'll save that feature to sell iPhones next year, this one has plenty of features to sell like hotcakes.

Seriously though, what would the "iPhone Pro" have that this one doesn't? (a slide out keyboard will never happen)

[zacheryjensen]

If this is all that changes, I'll still buy it. I bought the 3G for the space increase and that's enough to get me to buy this one. Seems every time I get more space I figure out new interesting ways to fill it out.

This time all of my music would fit into 32gb with room to spare (I'm no trash-music packrat like some...) so no more trying to figure out which playlists I actually want and so on.

A boost in CPU speed would do a few of my favorite games a lot of good, as would the boost in ram. In fact, this boost in ram would be a game changer for any performance issues you ever notice.

The compass = navigation system. Woot!

So if we get just these things, I'll be very pleased. Oh, yeah, and not to mention iPhone OS 3.0 :-D Push notifications! woo!

I'm excited, apple brings more innovation/improvement each year with this one handset than most any other handset maker brings in half a decade. Glad I took the plunge a couple years back and went iPhone.

[DiamondMac]

Sounds like a dud. I doubt that's it.

Agreed but I like reading it :D

[mrkgoo]

I should have clarified. I was basically referring to SLRs as that's where I have more experience. I'd rather have a crappy kit Rebel XSI or similar than some old 3.2mp with a 24-105L (which is a lens that I own and love).

Last autumn my digital prof wouldn't let me print beyond 11x14" on my 10mp 40d. He actually thought that size was pushing the limits of what 10mp could do and preferred I print 8x10". But I'll just have to deal until I can save up for the 5d mk II. Full frame = this is the pixel density you are looking for.

I do wish the iPhone was more like a point and shoot camera in quality. I don't have a camera that I can just throw in my pocket that takes decent shots. My SLR doesn't fit. I'd prefer to not purchase another camera, but I've been considering it, especially since they're so ridiculously cheap nowadays. Although thats just another thing to throw in the pocket...

You (and your professor) should realise that print resolution/size is dependent on your viewing distance. If you're going to be viewing from a certain distance, you don't need as high resolution.

As for higher resolution on a sensor, this is also dependent on sensor size. On an SLR, you can get away with higher resolution, because absolute pixel size is larger. How big do you think the sensor in a cellphone cam is? There will be an upper limit that is much lower than an SLR -sized sensor, whereby the image quality really goes down due to a low signal to noise ratio.

[MacFly123]

Quick question
Why is Network another menu?
Version number - does it check out?
Carrier as AT&T3.5 ?
Does the model number of serial end check out?

Does the current phone work on Chinese carriers? Why wasn't this mentioned? Used on US AT&T then why the 3.5 (3.5G?)

Apple Insider pointed the 3.5 network out as cause for disbelief but then I looked at my iPhone running Beta 5 and it says 3.5 too.

I think this is probably legit. The only thing I doubt a bit is the FM. Everything else is pretty much what all the other sources have been saying.

[icodemac]

"No major changes in battery, screen and external casing" ??? :confused:
"3.2-megapixel camera" ??? :confused:

[commander.data]

Hopefully this is just the "regular" iPhone and there will be a separate iPhone Pro that will be more revolutionary.

[Donz0r]

Hopefully this is just the "regular" iPhone and there will be a separate iPhone Pro that will be more revolutionary.

how so?

[Niko03]

Sounds like a lame update. I guess no need to upgrade from the 3G then.

3.2MP for a media centric device...really?...in 2009?

I really can't believe some of the yawns about this rumoured update.
Overall the specs seem inline with reasonable expectations and are by no means trivial - double the RAM, double the storage capacity, and a 50% increase in processor speed? Add to that a digital compass, a higher resolution camera along with autofocus.

So basically, if Apple released a new iMac tomorrow, with a 4.5Ghz processor, 2TB HDD and 8GB OF RAM as a replacement for the current 3.06 machine it would illicit the same level of boredom and cries of crapola?

I can understand it being not quite enough to cause someone to upgrade from the immediate predecessor, but cries of lame/Dud shout spoiled to me. What the heck else do you expect? A HD DLP, an Argon laser to vanquish your foes?

And a 3.2M camera, if properly executed, can be quite effective. It's a phone for cryin out loud. If your looking for photographic nirvana your holding the wrong tool anyway. 90% of the 8-12M P&S cameras on the market today are total crap from an image quality perspective. What good is increased resolution when half of it is noise? And any sensor that will be small enough to fit on a phone is gonna have photosites too small to be high quality from a noise perspective.
And after photosite size, the next important area in digital photography is image processing, it can make lightyears of difference. Sure optics are important, but any optics company worth it's salt can crank out a decent fixed focal length lens, which is all we are likely to get.

End of rant - to me it sounds like a pretty solid update.

[koopa35]

im going to say its fake just by looking at the picture because where it says carrier it say AT&T3.5 instead of AT&T 3.5 like how it should say. so im going to say its shopped b/c of that mistake

[commander.data]

how so?
Well there were a whole rumours before that Apple would introduce different iPhone versions now. A more budget focused version, a Pro version, and perhaps a special market one for China since I believe they don't want to allow WiFi on the phone.

Personally, I'm looking for the rumours of a new PowerVR SGX based GPU to be true to introduce OpenGL ES 2.0 for shaders and OpenCL support. I'm not really a supporter of the quad-core ARM rumours, since it doesn't seem likely a handheld device could make use of it at this time and it'd just waste power. A dual-core ARM CPU would be nice though.

[StuddedLeather]

Wow I guess I don't really care that much. (Can I see what it looks like?)

Let's put it this way, I currently have the 1st gen iPhone. I am eligible to upgrade at anytime. Case closed! I'm upgrading no matter the specs are, Think about it this way it can't get worse ;)

People it's just rumored specs so relax, Apple never really leaves us hanging (Well not for long anyways). Besides no matter what happens, this phone is still revolutionary. . . Thanks :apple: And people stop with the whole "High-End Model" crap, If anything we should all be able to have the same specs/hardware, just different storage. It would be lame to go back to the $499 pricing for the "High End model" and only a few people with it, just for something the "Low End model" doesn't have I.E a front facing camera. Either way I'm still getting the "High End model" :p

[macduke]

You (and your professor) should realise that print resolution/size is dependent on your viewing distance. If you're going to be viewing from a certain distance, you don't need as high resolution.

As for higher resolution on a sensor, this is also dependent on sensor size. On an SLR, you can get away with higher resolution, because absolute pixel size is larger. How big do you think the sensor in a cellphone cam is? There will be an upper limit that is much lower than an SLR -sized sensor, whereby the image quality really goes down due to a low signal to noise ratio.

Well, considering we are students, we aren't printing these for billboards. Neither are we shooting portraits to fill the walls with half-naked wonder at the Abercrombie and Fitch. These are to be viewed rather close-up at the student exhibition gallery for our senior shows.

As for signal to noise ratios, see my OP. I recognize that the iPhone has a tiny sensor only millimeters across, as do many other cell phones. I stated that I wish they could somehow enlarge the sensor so that the noise would be reduced. We just ended up diverging onto a tangent about SLRs because someone made the statement that megapixels are completely unimportant and that only optics matter which is a ridiculous statement. As for a solution, I would look towards what Sony has sone with the T900 and previous series in that line. 12mp, 4x optical zoom in a package about as thin as an iPhone using a sort of periscope.

Now I'm not looking for something that crazy, but I'd be more than happy with 5mp 2x optical zoom. There have been advances recently into micro zoom and focusing units which basically behave like muscular membranes that are rather bleeding edge and amazing. I'm sure that it will be many years before these make it into cell phones but this is the sort of advanced tech that I hope Apple is looking into.

[Untaken]

"No major changes in battery, screen and external casing"? So basically that means the case cracking, light leaking, and numerous screen defects will still be there? If this is true I will not even bother upgrading to the new model, I'll just be selling off my current iPhone and switching to the Pre. It's hard to believe that Apple wouldn't address these obviously widespread issues in a new model, but then again it's hard to believe they haven't been addressed TEN MONTHS after release.

[designgeek]

Shouldn't this be on page 2? If we don't know anything or if there's no track record, that sounds like page 2 material.

[koopa35]

Shouldn't this be on page 2? If we don't know anything or if there's no track record, that sounds like page 2 material.

what u r sayin is true and b/c of the typo in the carrier section

[rickdollar]

MP doesn't matter as long as the optics are good.

I couldn't agree more.

The advertising seems to be working great.
Too many people get sucked into the Megapixel myth that more is better. You take a current 12MP compact point and shoot and compare it to a 6 year old 6MP Canon 10D (just one example), or a 4MP Canon 1D and there is no comparison in image quality. Yeah, I know, the Canon is a DSLR. My point is that the hardware and software that make up an imaging device is far more important than the amount of pixels.

What good would a 5? megapixel camera phone be if it cannot capture clean, sharp, well exposed photos. Unless you don't care about picture quality and just want to look at a big image on your monitor.

I think a 3.2MP camera in a phone that takes good photos would be good enough for a lot of people. If you really need big megapixel count wherever you go, you might want to carry a camera with you because a high MP phone is probably going to look like crap until they figure out how to do it right.

Stop believing all the advertising. Megapixels are not everything.

I'm done. Sorry.

[iansilv]

Wait- if the updates are limited to this, why are all those video editing images and what not found in the os 3.0?

[toughboy]

I believe this is real

TBH All I expect from the new iPhone is a camera on the face and mobile iChat. Same casing kinda scares me but we'll see on June anyways

:apple:

[mrkgoo]

Well, considering we are students, we aren't printing these for billboards. Neither are we shooting portraits to fill the walls with half-naked wonder at the Abercrombie and Fitch. These are to be viewed rather close-up at the student exhibition gallery for our senior shows.

As for signal to noise ratios, see my OP. I recognize that the iPhone has a tiny sensor only millimeters across, as do many other cell phones. I stated that I wish they could somehow enlarge the sensor so that the noise would be reduced. We just ended up diverging onto a tangent about SLRs because someone made the statement that megapixels are completely unimportant and that only optics matter which is a ridiculous statement. As for a solution, I would look towards what Sony has sone with the T900 and previous series in that line. 12mp, 4x optical zoom in a package about as thin as an iPhone using a sort of periscope.

Now I'm not looking for something that crazy, but I'd be more than happy with 5mp 2x optical zoom. There have been advances recently into micro zoom and focusing units which basically behave like muscular membranes that are rather bleeding edge and amazing. I'm sure that it will be many years before these make it into cell phones but this is the sort of advanced tech that I hope Apple is looking into.

5mp sounds like the upper limit with current tech. Anything above that I'd like to see some improvement in light gathering of the pixels. (I know some newer cellphones have gone much higher)

[koopa35]

Wait- if the updates are limited to this, why are all those video editing images and what not found in the os 3.0?

great point there. where was the mentioning of the video recorder?

[albusseverus]

There's no chance there will be anything FM in the next iPhone, so you can write this one off.

People have been wishing that for iPods for years. Can't see it happeing, now.

Yet the current iPhone even has a chip capable of receiving FM. The new chip is said to also support transmitting FM. So that backs up this rumor.

http://www.9to5mac.com/broadcom-BCM4329-iphone-802.11n-FM

Yet another reason why a new model won't do FM anything. It already has the capability and it's not used.

[ivladster]

No visual change? Ahhhh no! At least some new color. Apple loves to cell new product just because they changed the design.

[mikes70mustang]

Sounds like a nice amount of RAM(heck my aging Mac is only 1.25Gbs)

Still a 3.2MP camera is a little weak, I hope we see improved software usage of the camera. Also no new battery is troubling...again, hope software can make it last longer.

32GB sounds good though!

obviously another person that thinks phones should take quality pictures:rolleyes:

[iansilv]

obviously another person that thinks phones should take quality pictures:rolleyes:

Yeah good point. They shouldn't. That would be stupid. You're right.

[macduke]

5mp sounds like the upper limit with current tech. Anything above that I'd like to see some improvement in light gathering of the pixels. (I know some newer cellphones have gone much higher)

Yeah thats about what I thought it would be. Maybe in the future they could implement a microlens array to boost the light gathering ability?

I also forgot to mention this: If this is going to essentially be the "iPhone video" then they are going to need a better mic to pic up audio. I've used several of the recording apps available in the app store, and while the microphone on the 3g is better than the first gen, its still lacking in range, especially for recording lectures!

[cubbie5150]

Meh. If those specs are true, it's not even enough to get me to upgrade from my original (EDGE) iPhone. And I do want to upgrade. A faster CPU is nice, but some web pages can take over 10x as long to load as on a desktop machine, using WiFi even.

I'll wait for 3.5G/4G data, an 800 MHz CPU (or multicore), and a higher resolution screen (720x480 would be good). I'm much more excited about the 3.0 software and mythical "media tablet" than the new iPhone hardware described here.

Same here... Assuming this is true, I see no compelling reason to upgrade from my Edge iPhone either; nothing that screams "you MUST buy me!!" I live in an area w/ zero 3G coverage, so the hardware improvements will have to be more substantial than what is suggested in the OP for me to upgrade...

[angemon89]

Yay for faster processor. I'm tired of my slow iPhone. It's painfully slow in the Maps and YouTube apps sometimes.

It will also come in handy once "push" for the iPhone is out (3.0)

[Pika]

Maybe it's the next generation HiPhone.

[illitrate23]

I do wish the iPhone was more like a point and shoot camera in quality. I don't have a camera that I can just throw in my pocket that takes decent shots. My SLR doesn't fit. I'd prefer to not purchase another camera, but I've been considering it, especially since they're so ridiculously cheap nowadays. Although thats just another thing to throw in the pocket...

the clue is in the name - iPhone
it's not called iCamera

if you're serious about photography, and evidently you are, you shouldn't be using _any_ phone to take pictures. they'll never compete with a proper camera
and they shouldn't have to either

[Philberttheduck]

The most important thing I want implemented is a new battery. I can't go a full day without running out of battery so I'm expecting better battery life/management than the current. The form factor remaining the same seems very accurate to me, but I'm still crossing my fingers for a new one. Black and Silver models, (instead of the white) please. And does MP really matter to you guys? The quality of camera phones (because of the lens) are terrible, so the MP really wouldn't make enough of a difference to justify it taking pictures.

32GB is good for me, with the amount of Apps I have on my Phone

[endi78]

i like the first one, just the camera is tooooooooooo bulky, get rid of that piece of crap and keep something simple, i know zoom can be added to the iphone (jail break apps make it happen) just keep the camera the way it is and add the zoom feature and will be good to go, and i love the ichat camera (great work on this version if it ever comes)

as for the second pic its wack, looks like it will be easy to break :cool:

Even if tastes are tastes.. you can't compare a [digital] "zoom feature" to an optical zoom... :rolleyes:

[Pelorus]

A RAM upgrade will be a sure-fire way to render previous iPhones and iPods obsolete as Developers will not be required to work so hard to keep apps under 25 MB of RAM usage.

[Andrmgic]

Not interested unless they put in an OLED screen. Don't need a storage bump, and most cell phone cameras are a sorry excuse for a point and shoot replacement and aren't worth fooling with anyway, imho.

We'll just have to wait and see how much (if any) of this is true when apple announces the inevitable new model.

[idiscuss]

so the chinese have at&t as a carrier?

It is an AT & T phone with language set to "Simplified Chinese", you can do that on your existing iPhone as well. There is nothing strange about it.

[Pelorus]

Not interested unless they put in an OLED screen. .

Then you won't be buying because Apple won't be putting an OLED screen in there. Why? Consumers - the real people who buy this stuff - don't care one whit about it.

[sr1329]

Funny man :rolleyes:



I still think 5MP with good optics is not too much to ask


Yeah if you want a freaking bulge out the back. Trust me as a user of the N90, N93, N95 I know all about the megapixel game. There is so much noise in N95 shots that you wouldn't want to enlarge it more than 4x6. If you want to enlarge your photos get a $100 point and shoot, it will be better. My 4 year old 4MP Canon SD300 is far better than the N95 and its 5MP.

There is no way you can get a decent 5MP setup in something that thin. 3.2Mp will yield better results. Get over yourself and type "megapixel myth" into Google.

Only spec whores care about that number in the context of these design constraints.


BTW, these specs **** on the N97. I'm done with Nokia.

[4np]

I'm missing some other previous rumors like:

1. what about multicore cpu / gpu ?
2. wheres the stereo sound over bluetooth support?
3. wheres oled?
4. what about the new 3G chipset with improved speeds?
5. what about 802.11n (so it doesn't make your router downscale to 802.11g)
6. what about the seperation of a high end and a low end iPhone?
7. what about FM transmitting and receiving?

any more missing rumors in this rumor?

ps. as mentioned before, 29,3 GB free is not realistic as the iPhone OS consumes quite some space

pps. AT&T on a Chinese phone is unlikely but could be plausible; if Chinese networks don't support the iPhone yet, they might just fly into the US for testing. I used to work for a hardware manufactures / consumer electronics company and that happens quite regularly only the other way round. It's sometimes easier to get people to the (test) hardware than hardware to the people. Perhaps the people and the hardware travelled to the US for a test with AT&T? :)


Then you won't be buying because Apple won't be putting an OLED screen in there. Why? Consumers - the real people who buy this stuff - don't care one whit about it.

If OLED increases battery life they will certainly be interested in that...

[str1f3]

"No major changes in battery, screen and external casing"? So basically that means the case cracking, light leaking, and numerous screen defects will still be there? If this is true I will not even bother upgrading to the new model, I'll just be selling off my current iPhone and switching to the Pre. It's hard to believe that Apple wouldn't address these obviously widespread issues in a new model, but then again it's hard to believe they haven't been addressed TEN MONTHS after release.

No offence and all, but you're talking about a product that hasn't been released yet. Of any of the problems about the iPhone I haven't heard about light leaking but I'll take your word for it. These things could be fixed and the design would not have to be any different.

The Pre looks like a pretty good phone but just remeber that Palm doesn't suddenly have some special battery technology inside the Pre. They're using all off the shelf parts because they don't have the money for research. Chances are, with the Pre's background processes, battery life will be much worse. Conveniently, the Pre talks about many things on it's website but not battery life. It also has only 8GB of space and no video. The iPhone will have 32GB and video. Not only that it actually has more RAM than the Pre (I believe it is at 192). The only reason people complain about battery life is that you have a reason to use it. Other phones have great battery because they're phones give a lousy experience.

[Compile 'em all]

:confused: Are you guys serious?
iPhone -> iPhone3G = faster network access, gps, upgraded capacity
iPhone3G -> iPhone 2009 = faster processor, ram, magnetometer for augmented reality and precision control, upgraded camera resolution/optics for better pictures and video recording/editing on the device, upgraded capacity

The iPhone 3G had 2 selling points that Apple marketed agressivly: 3G speed and GPS
This spec list has 2 marketing selling points: magnetometer, and photo/video capabilities as well as faster overall performance

Seems like a perfectly fine upgrade to me. Plenty to push me over the edge, personally, and just enough to make everyone else buy one too.


I think you are under estimating what an upgraded cpu/ram/gpu can bring to the iPhone. The iPhone is a software platform more than anything else and anything that can boost what apps can do (games for example) is a big win.

[mudenza]

- 3.2 megapixel camera with auto focus


Wow. And that took them, what, 3 years?

[Donz0r]

I think you are under estimating what an upgraded cpu/ram/gpu can bring to the iPhone. The iPhone is a software platform more than anything else and anything that can boost what apps can do (games for example) is a big win. Quite frankly the upgraded RAM is BIG.

I know, did I say otherwise? I didn't list it as a 'marketing point' because I doubt they'll be as many commercials about that as there will be the other 2 features. For me that is incredibly important, I can't stand the sliggishness of this thing. Maybe I'll be able to actually theme it with some upgraded ram, and still have it be responsive. Even unjailbroken with 1/4 of my purchased apps on it, the SMS is still laggy to load, and transitions between closing/opening apps can be irregularly abrupt. I cannot WAIT for some upgraded power.

[str1f3]

A RAM upgrade will be a sure-fire way to render previous iPhones and iPods obsolete as Developers will not be required to work so hard to keep apps under 25 MB of RAM usage.

If true, that is the biggest part of this story. Developers would be at a crossroad of having to choose between making a better product or trying to reach as many people as possible.

The cell phones feel like computers from the mid-late 90s. Back when everyone really cared about the specs.

[ravenvii]

Wow. And that took them, what, 3 years?

2 years. You fail at math.

[brianxstatic]

I really want Apple to blow us out of the water with something no one is expecting. I doubt a bigger screen, it would be cool but unpractical and how will it fit in my tight pockets. OLED? I sure hope so, the contrast and qualities of oled screens look fantastic, but they are really pricey and I will hope and cross my fingers for it but i'm not holding my breath. 3.2 MP camera sounds fine, I don't need 5.0 so i can see every little pore on everyones face whom i take a picture of. I really want to see a uniform body design a durable back which will resist scratches and be more secure to hold. I'd love to see less blank space on the front of the phone, make it shorter and condense it so we have more screen and less wasted space. Most of all I would love to see a front facing camera for easier self pictures and the possibility of video chat if we pay the extra charges on our bill.

random things I'd like to see is better speakers and mic, i would love to be able to blast out the person next to me with the loudness of my phone. ;D

thats all the random things i want besides the already "leaked" specs.

[Evangelion]

3.2MP for a media centric device...really?...in 2009?

Are you one of those people who think that the number of megapixels determines the quality of the camera?

[iGeRmAn]

I think it is obvious that the next model won't be another revolution like the first one was back in 2007. It is an evolution.

So, if true the specs sound nice to me (and probably first gen owners) for one reason :

yet i do not have an iPhone.

But for the current 3g-owners ---> pretty lame reason to upgrade imo.

[guet]

Haha, you are funny.
Optics are very important, but megapixels aren't completely unimportant. 3.2 megapixels is only good for 4x6 prints, which will be good enough for most people. But I'd take a 12mp sensor with a kit lens over a 3.2mp sensor on Canon L glass. You just can't get a lot of detail at that resolution, even with a good lens.

BTW, one of the biggest problems with most camera phones are image noise. The pixel density on the sensor is too high and they come out too grainy, especially in shadow areas. They would also have to make the imaging sensor in the iPhone larger, which would make the camera assembly bigger, which makes it less practical.

You're talking about a camera phone, 3.2MP is overkill for this sort of phone, have you seen the size of the lens, and the space allocated to the sensor? Compare that to your SLR. There is no way you'll get quality good enough from that to make going up from that size useful. They need to improve the lens and the software, not the resolution. They could possibly try a less dense sensor, but they just don't have the space to make it much bigger. The last thing they need to do is try to increase the pixel count and thus the sensor density - the last part of your post bears this out.

On this size of camera, extra pixels are worthless.

[Compile 'em all]

If true, that is the biggest part of this story. Developers would be at a crossroad of having to choose between making a better product or trying to reach as many people as possible.

The cell phones feel like computers from the mid-late 90s. Back when everyone really cared about the specs.

This is not really a big deal. Take a look at how current games handle faster verses slower graphics on different systems.

[Jono Hayes]

wouldn't the carrier be a chinese carrier ?

taking that the screen shot was posted on a chinese website.
and the person who posted it speaks chinese / writes in chinese.

and it would be more likely a leek by a chinese employee of the manufacture.

than some chinese person in the US. who some how got a new iphone, and then post a then photo on a chinese site ? ? ? ?

or have i missed some thing ? ? ? ?

[ruinfx]

i think most people will upgrade for the video recording

[gathart]

why still bother with FM, why not DAB?? or anable it on wifi and listen to the radio that way??

[Michael CM1]

Figures that the whiners would come out if these were the specs.

Double storage, 50% CPU boost, RAM doubled, camera MP boosted by 50 percent. What's the verdict by some? "Lame!"

I was kind of amused by the person who thought it wasn't a good enough boost to upgrade from a 3G phone. Duh. These phones aren't made to make people upgrade every year. Most people sign two-year contracts, so unless Apple is run by stupid people, this next phone is gearing for new customers and EDGE phone owners. Being an EDGE owner, I've been holding out for 32GB. The other upgrades seem great as I see the device get a little sluggish on some of the intense apps. Seems like a pretty decent upgrade to me.

[celtikmind]

Man, oh man... Apple is all and only about iPhone these days!

The most recent update to their other hardware was just to increase prices (same prices though everyone else is lowering theirs) and can't even get a point update through the door so people can start using Airport, graphics etc. for real. Time Machine Capsules are expensive and still overheats etc. etc.

...and all they can really come up with is a 3.2 megapixel camera with autofocus... yey, that is really impressive in it's own way. :apple: = LMAO!

I wonder what would happen if SonyEricsson decided to make laptops. Oh wait, they do. :rolleyes:

[mudenza]

2 years. You fail at math.

Thanks for the heads up.

[str1f3]

This is not really a big deal. Take a look at how current games handle faster verses slower graphics on different systems.

The story is only mildly (even that's a stretch) interesting. The idea of doubling the RAM is the only interesting part. RAM is a significant part in gaming and can help other things like the efficiency of Apple's background apps and Safari.
Out of any of the specs talked about (not including a new graphics chip)the RAM would be the main thing that really would give a significant speed increase to the iPhone.

[sushi]

If the original poster's claims are to be believed, the new iPhone will contain the following features:

- 600MHz CPU Speed (up from 400MHz)
- 256MB RAM (up from 128MB)
- Digital Compass and FM
- 3.2 megapixel camera with auto focus
- 32GB size
- No major changes in battery, screen and external casing.
If this is true, then great!

That's a 50% CPU speed increase, double the RAM, double memory, higher pixel camera with auto focus for the same price, plus a digital compass. Sweet! :)

IMHO, the inclusion of FM on the specs indicates that this rumor may not be accurate.

[Jono Hayes]

Man, oh man... Apple is all and only about iPhone these days!

The most recent update to their other hardware was just to increase prices (same prices though everyone else is lowering theirs) and can't even get a point update through the door so people can start using Airport, graphics etc. for real. Time Machine Capsules are expensive and still overheats etc. etc.

...and all they can really come up with is a 3.2 megapixel camera with autofocus... yey, that is really impressive in it's own way. :apple: = LMAO!

I wonder what would happen if SonyEricsson decided to make laptops. Oh wait, they do. :rolleyes:

didnt know SonyEricsson made laptops ?

taking that Ericsson is a (was a) Swedish telecommunication company, that formed a joint venture with sony.

still dont know how you connected SonyEricsson to computers ? ? ? ?

[Compile 'em all]

People overlooking what faster hardware can do is mind boogling.

You don't use hardware, you use software. More powerful hardware simply means better and more capable software. Just look at what you can do with computers today compared to a couple of years ago.

It is all about software people!

[str1f3]

Man, oh man... Apple is all and only about iPhone these days!

The most recent update to their other hardware was just to increase prices (same prices though everyone else is lowering theirs) and can't even get a point update through the door so people can start using Airport, graphics etc. for real. Time Machine Capsules are expensive and still overheats etc. etc.

...and all they can really come up with is a 3.2 megapixel camera with autofocus... yey, that is really impressive in it's own way. :apple: = LMAO!

I wonder what would happen if SonyEricsson decided to make laptops. Oh wait, they do. :rolleyes:

What gives you the impression that the iPhone is all that Apple cares about? The story came from a Chinese leak (supposedly), not Apple. I see just as many "Get A Mac" ads as iPhone ads. Chances are that Snow Leopard will have a major showing at WWDC. Apple only talks about the iPhone twice a year. I thought the second biggest story next to the App Store was the new MacBooks.

If you're mad Apple didn't lower prices, get another computer. Hit Apple where it would hurt the most. I've never even heard any of the issues that you're talking about with the Airports and I don't know what makes you think 10.5.7 is late except a rumor sites saying it's so.

[Dreamer2go]

Not a very nice upgrade to me
I'll wait for iPhone 4G to upgrade my current 3G...

4G network can surpass general WiFi speed....
Maybe I'll upgrade in 2010 =D

[PabloGS]

HA-Ha

FM!!! Yeah - Right

Although, it could be used to play over the radio.... Useful for GPS stuff + General music. If it has an FM receiver/transmitter anyway, why not make use of it and make one more selling point?

iPod Classic has FM... Just hook up your remote headset and you're ready to go!

[esXXI]

i like the first one, just the camera is tooooooooooo bulky, get rid of that piece of crap and keep something simple, [...]

I think you missed the joke.

[Oilers]

I think we can wait and see,
the guy on the chinese iphone forum was told he is a test engineer from FOXCONN which is manufacturer for iphone
he also said:
1st gen internal code ：M68
2nd gen internal code：N82
3rd gen internal code：N88（currently is under PVT=Process Validation Test）

that's what i got from the that forum
here is the source
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7719/screenhunter01may120221.gif

[HiRez]

They can't change the screen resolution.

It would kill most of the apps in the Appstore.It would break many apps, but only those of lazy developers. Apple repeats often "do not assume a fixed resolution" and urges developers to dynamically calculate their layout based on the device's current resolution. Eventually the iPhone screen is going to have to change, especially if iPhone OS branches out to other mobile devices like this theoretical media tablet. If a developer is smart and tests his/her app, their applications should instantly adapt beautifully to a larger resolution. The only thing I don't see happening is the screen resolution getting smaller. If that happens, things would really get ugly because most of the iPhone's UI widgets have a minimum size (or at least minimum usable size for fingers). This is one reason I seriously doubt a mini/micro iPhone with a tiny screen will ever appear. The current UI wouldn't work on it and I really doubt Apple wants to come up with a whole separate mini UI and fragment the app store with different versions of everything.

[eron]

The Chinese poster actually mentioned more than what was said in the first post:

http://www.weiphone.com/thread-346414-1-1.html
澄清一下即将上市的新一代iphone的配置
首先，外观和3G iphone是一模一样的，只是后盖下方的小字也是和apple logo镀的一样的材料，看着很亮
再说配置：在3G iphone的基础上CPU的主频提高到600MHz，RAM 256M, 目前是CPU 400MHz，128M RAM，运行速度确实提高了！
摄像头是320W 自动对焦，还多了电子指南针（compass），FM
新增32GB版本，网上说的home键会发光纯属扯淡，软体版本是3.0
今天这个人发个帖子说是这样，明天那个人又说是那样，我只想带来一些真实的信息让大家心里踏实些
信不信无所谓，等新产品上市了自然会得到证明
对于那些动不动就骂人的坛友，请问你们有什么发言权???
你们看过吗？摸过吗？用过吗？测过吗？
请你们骂人前三思！
今年6月份新产品上市后自然而然一个个响亮的耳光会扇在你们脸上，再说，我没必要发这个帖子骗人败坏自己的ID，大家可以记住patapon200这个ID，如果有半点虚假信息，到时候被口水淹死我也认了！（pa tapon，一个PSP游戏，呵呵）

针对大家很关心的屏幕大小，分辨率和电池的问题，我说一下：
屏幕还是3.5寸，480*320，电池嘛……没有任何变化，挺遗憾的。

算了，这么多人支持，放一张图，啥都不说了

Other than what was mentioned:

Same physical exterior except the writings at the back being the same as the 'shiny' Apple logo.
Same screen resolution and size, same battery


Another Chinese poster mentioned that the thread starter is not from Foxconn but AT&T.

--
What the poster mentioned about the back of the phone coincides with an earlier 'leaked photo".
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/02/12/154412-chinaa_425.jpg
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=650773

However, if the photos are true, then the Chinese poster (probably from AT&T) most likely have an old plastic prototype version. It's kinda hard to miss the matt black/metal case. It's highly likely as all they have to test at AT&T is the network and usage, less so on the 'hardware'. Meanwhile designers and manufacturers can work on a better case.

[leonstafford]

I also understand from this screen that he lives on a planet where it is 184 degrees Centigrade!

I think we can wait and see,
the guy on the chinese iphone forum was told he is a test engineer from FOXCONN which is manufacturer for iphone
he also said:
1st gen internal code ：M68
2nd gen internal code：N82
3rd gen internal code：N88（currently is under PVT=Process Validation Test）

that's what i got from the that forum
here is the source
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7719/screenhunter01may120221.gif

C'mon, "this is Apple". That may mean overpriced, limited options to some. But for an Apple guy from back in the day, I half-expect them to do something innovating.

Apple is now making good money, but that they have always been making what they believe to be the best devices. Thanks to limitations of Winblows now becoming evident, more people are getting a taste of the :apple:

[eron]

I also understand from this screen that he lives on a planet where it is 184 degrees Centigrade!

That's his popularity score.

[beg_ne]

Man, oh man... Apple is all and only about iPhone these days!


100% accurate and true.



The most recent update to their other hardware was just to increase prices (same prices though everyone else is lowering theirs) and can't even get a point update through the door so people can start using Airport, graphics etc. for real. Time Machine Capsules are expensive and still overheats etc. etc.


Wait, what were we just saying? Oh yes, Apple doesn't do anything other than the iPhone, god those guys suck so much. They shouldn't even call themselves people anymore, they should be iphoneple.


...and all they can really come up with is a 3.2 megapixel camera with autofocus... yey, that is really impressive in it's own way. :apple: = LMAO!

Yes, because 3.2 MP is just HORRIBLE! I think iPhone needs eleventythousand megapaxels!!!! It's obvious, cuz like everyone else in the world has that already! Plus we all NEEEEEED moar pixels than that because some guy said it somewhere on a cool internet forum.

[bit_bucket]

I'm excited and would buy it for the memory and storage bumps. Everything else is just icing on the cake. These things, if true along with iPhone 3.0 would make for a more awesome iPhone.

[omegaphil6]

I dont care what people say... the original metal iphone DID NOT have signal issues. I want a unibody metal iphone... thin and sexy... imagine the palm rest of the unibody macbook pro being the back of your iphone! I would love no rounded edges but exactly like the unibody looks... too sexy!

The current iphone design was nice looking but doesnt have longevity. The
2g iPhone still looks better designwise and was build like a tank. I NEVER had a case on my 2g and didnt worry one bit. The plastic ones are subject to nicks and dings like crazy.

Unibody iphone Unibody iphone Unibody iphone Unibody iphone Unibody iphone Unibody iphone Unibody iphone Unibody iphone Unibody iphone

[leonstafford]

I seriously doubt a mini/micro iPhone with a tiny screen will ever appear. The current UI wouldn't work on it and I really doubt Apple wants to come up with a whole separate mini UI and fragment the app store with different versions of everything.

I think we will continue to be suprised by how well Apple knows computers.

As above, Apple's development platform is still scratchy and has an sharp learning curve, but I think too the aim may be for completely scalable apps which will once again put them many years ahead of the competition, many using Java and almost all coding for specific devices but with code which can't simply be installed on the other.

If Apple releases 3 more models which can all run the same Apps as the iPhone, a developer has 3 more revenue streams without any extra coding!

Try doing that on the Android platform! (if it still exists....)

It won't be long until OS X apps are in iTunes too and we see apps which can run on the portable devices and OS X just as easily.

I think that's why the release of 10.6 Snow Leopard is all about scalable, portable software. Scalable down to the iPhones and scalable up to clusters of machines using GPU power to take over the world connect us all the the mega Google network by wrapping our heads in foil and ....

sorry, too much caffeine:confused:

[NetScheduler]

Here's your camera:

http://www.iphonebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/iphoneelite2.gif

and here's your sexyness:

http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/iphone4g-nextgen.png

Choose one :p


Couldn't agree more. The trolls here who are not mindless fanboys actually think performance matters. I want a device that is "sexy" , "elegant", "just gorgeous" and whose back looks better than the front of the other guys.

Seriously, you can keep you "sexyness" - I love my iPhone and I love my Macs but I don't make excuses when Apple cheapens their products. I love the "a 3.2 mp camera with good optics is actually better than a 6mp with crappy optics" excuse you guys love to type... No Kidding??? Here's a revelation for you guys - a 6mp camera with good optics will blow away a 3.2mp camera with good optics...

And that's exactly what a state of the art multimedia device ought to have in 2009....

[celtikmind]

100% accurate and true.




Wait, what were we just saying? Oh yes, Apple doesn't do anything other than the iPhone, god those guys suck so much. They shouldn't even call themselves people anymore, they should be iphoneple.



Yes, because 3.2 MP is just HORRIBLE! I think iPhone needs eleventythousand megapaxels!!!! It's obvious, cuz like everyone else in the world has that already! Plus we all NEEEEEED moar pixels than that because some guy said it somewhere on a cool internet forum.

You think? Whatever you're smoking - smoke less. :D

[Dr. Cabrera]

Man you guys will complain and moan about everything


I would rather have false claims with a screengrab , at least this sounds more believable.

than false claims with CLEARLY fake photoshop.

[Dragonos]

http://phantomplay.com/P16.jpg
This Pic seems to show a larger model as well.

[mudenza]

Plus we all NEEEEEED moar pixels than that because some guy said it somewhere on a cool internet forum.

No, because it is the industry standard. For most parts of the world, anyways.

[boyneverstop]

from the source, the "words" on the back of the iphone will use similar metal style as the apple logo. cool!

[The Phazer]

Hmm.

FM would be great, and I've waxed lyrical about how good a magnetometer would be before. More RAM will be great for Safari (it might remember webpages when swapping!), but I really would have liked to have seen 512MB - particularily if we're ever going to get a Flash plugin. Broadly speaking other hardware increases are nice, but nothing surprising.

3.2 Mp for a camera doesn't mean very much. Autofocus will be great news, but ultimately it'll live or die on the quality of the sensor, the lens and the low light performance. Sadly keeping the case the same means no flash, and no increase in the size of the lens, which will likely mean the camera is nearly as useless as it is now in practical terms. The camera will always be useless while it can't take pictures in a nightclub. It needs a flash, like any phone camera does. If there isn't a pro model with something better I really have to hope that there's at least a dock attachment Flash coming imminently.

The biggest disappiontment is that they seem to be keeping the same case, which is beginning to look a bit tired, and the curve and plastic of the back has frankly always been bloody hideous.

Bit of a mixed bag really. Can't say I'm not hopeful of a second, better model.

Phazer

[mudenza]

[QUOTE=Dragonos;7601390]Pic/QUOTE]

160GB??

[The Phazer]

http://phantomplay.com/P16.jpg
This Pic seems to show a larger model as well.

Erm... yeah. I find it very unlikely there's a version with 192 GB of storage coming...

Phazer

[rez07]

Are people forgeting the current iphone processor is already capable of running at around 600mhz (it does on the ipod touch), but is underclocked to 400mhz because of battery life? So, if the battery is the same, this rumored specs will be completely lame

The guy asking for 512mb...WHAT? What for, if multitasking is not alowed (there´s no signs of otherwise on 3.0)? To make devs even more lazier on optimizing apps ram usage?

A better battery, together with autofocus+flash on the camera, are the most needed upgrades IMO

[Wikinerd]

While 32GB iPhones are very likely to happen in the near future, I'm guessing this is a photoshop job... It's not like it's hard to do it...

The phone supports international languages
I would guess it's (or at least they would claim it to be) a "test" version for the manufacturer in China.

But then it's possible that someone photoshopped it with Chinese so that not so many people who actually scrutinizes the image pixel by pixel would not get a chance to do so.

[The Phazer]

The guy asking for 512mb...WHAT? What for, if multitasking is not alowed (there´s no signs of otherwise on 3.0)? To make devs even more lazier on optimizing apps ram usage?

512 MB should be sufficient to mean Safari can keep several tabs open at once without ever having to reload and to allow an effective Flash plug in...

256 will help, but not solve those issues.

Phazer

[rez07]

On a proper optimized mobile OS, 512mb is just a waste. To add it at this point, would just show weakness of Iphone OS, and make it excessevely expensive.

See what symbian can do with 128mb. Or Android.

[The Phazer]

On a proper optimized mobile OS, 512mb is just a waste. To add it at this point, would just show weakness of Iphone OS, and make it excessevely expensive.

See what symbian can do with 128mb. Or Android.

Frankly I don't beleive that's true with proper web browsing, and Symbian and Android's browsers are poor partially due to that lack of RAM.

Website scripting is only going to continue to grow memory overhead, and I already run in to mainstream sites which cause the iPhone to creak heavily.

Phazer

[Dragonos]

Erm... yeah. I find it very unlikely there's a version with 192 GB of storage coming...

Phazer

I'm just trying to prove how easy these things are to photoshop. lol.
If the Chinese forum is right I must say I'm a little disappointed about the processor. I was hoping for a dedicated GPU or a Duel Core CPU at least 1000MHz using a variable clock rate like the Mac Pro.

The chinese site Also claims that the home button will light up.
Coming soon to clarify the configuration of a new generation of iphone
First of all, the look and the 3G iphone is the same, but the small print below the back and the apple logo is the same as the plating material, looking at very bright
Repeat configuration: 3G iphone in the basis of the CPU frequency to 600MHz, RAM 256M, is now the CPU 400MHz, 128M RAM, running speed has really improved!
320W camera is autofocus, but also more than an electronic compass (compass), FM
New 32GB version of the Internet, said the home button will light-emitting pure nonsense, software version 3.0
Today, this person made a post that this is the case, that person is said to be in tomorrow, I just want to bring some real information so that you feel more at ease
Believe it or not does not matter, and other new products to market will be natural to prove
For those who curse at every turn on the altar of Friends, may I ask what you say???
You read it? Touched it? Used it? Measured before?
Please think twice before you criticize!
In June this year after the listing of new products, naturally a loud fan in your face will face, to say, I made this post is no need to lie to corrupt their own ID, you can remember patapon200 this ID, if there is the slightest bit of false information to drowned when I was watering identified! (Pa tapon, a PSP game, huh, huh)

For we are very concerned about the screen size, resolution and the battery, I say a few words:
Or 3.5-inch screen, 480 * 320, batteries do ... ... there is no change, very regrettable.

Well, so many people support take a map, do not want to啥都

[Coroe]

An omission of the OLED screen would really suck.

C'mon, Sony and Samsung are already using them.

[politik]

I'm just trying to prove how easy these things are to photoshop. lol.button will light up.

The photo you posted wasn't a photoshop, it's a shot of someone who modded their firmware.

After many, many leaks over the past few years, I call truth to this. It always looks fake without a distortion field guys.

[twoodcc]

id like to see the casing change just a bit. not that there is much room to design much, but none the less.

i agree. and i was hoping for a 5.0 mp camera. but we'll find out soon enough

[vomitgod]

That's awesome!!!

I want it NOW! :D

a chinese iPhone :)

[M2M]

That's awesome!!!

I want it NOW! :D

a chinese iPhone :)

Set your current iphones language to chinese !:rolleyes:

[jouster]

Wow. And that took them, what, 3 years?

Who cares? It will suck whether or not it has 3.2 MP and autofocus, as all phone cameras do.

[simulacra]

On another note, I'd like to see web radio streaming through the ipod app.
If itunes can do it, why not let the ipod do it?

[The Phazer]

On another note, I'd like to see web radio streaming through the ipod app.
If itunes can do it, why not let the ipod do it?

Because the phone networks would throw an absolute fit.

Phazer

[MikeDTyke]

I would say this is likely bogus based on the FM detail.

Apple has already said they`ll support A2DP bluetooth for streaming to speakers, car stereos etc.

However those whinging on about battery and cpu `clock` speed haven`t got the first clue.

The battery may very well be the same size and output. However without knowing what cpu core is in use and the process size it`s been produced at and how many of those auxilliary chips they may or may not have integrated. Know one can claim how much faster or how sucky the battery may be.

Even if this guy is a tester he may still be using a pre-release of the OS3.0 that isn`t tuned to the power mgmt capabilities of this hardware.

It`s all still early days, in the rumor tornado that is WWDC09. :D

[rez07]

Apple has already said they`ll support A2DP bluetooth for streaming to speakers, car stereos etc.

yep...i´m using it right now...

[macuser154]

What makes this obviously fake is that if this had a capacity of 32GB why would the total capacity be about 29 GB. The iPhone OS easily is less than a gigabyte, so this makes no sense.

3GB is taken up by formatting. Look at your computer hard disk, you get less space than you actually have.

[fratboy]

i call it a fake... who ever leaked this forgot that the new iphone WILL have video recording.. devs got the interface of video recording to pop up.. so yeah i think this is a fake

[mudenza]

It will suck whether or not it has 3.2 MP and autofocus,

Possibly.

as all phone cameras do.

Not entirely true. I find the SE C905 to be fantastic.

[t0mat0]

Is this a me too article? (everyone else seemed to run with it, so need to mention it just in case)
Seems a bit strange to have as front page - aren't there better rumors about the next iPhone, or is this it?

[stockscalper]

Earlier rumors had the new iPhone with an OLN screen. I really hope this report is a dud and the new phone has an OLN screen, which will be viewable in bright daylight. That would also give a bump in battery life as those screens consume much less power.

[simulacra]

Because the phone networks would throw an absolute fit.

Phazer

In what way? I'm using tuner for web radio, in what way is that any different from letting the ipod do it?

[retroneo]

Earlier rumors had the new iPhone with an OLN screen. I really hope this report is a dud and the new phone has an OLN screen, which will be viewable in bright daylight. That would also give a bump in battery life as those screens consume much less power.

What's an OLN screen? OLED displays are very hard to read in daylight.

[clevin]

i take the response here as many people dont like what they see here.

easy enough, wait and see then.

[willcodejavafor]

All this talk about the camera made me think about optical zoom which is something I'd like to have more than 5MP. Are there any mobile phones that come with a camera that has optical zoom? Not that I'd change from my iPhone, just curious :)

[bedifferent]

In what way? I'm using tuner for web radio, in what way is that any different from letting the ipod do it?

Would internet radio broadcast over AT&T's 3G network, or only WiFi? Even if it is only WiFi, could you imagine hundreds of thousands of individuals streaming music through their iPhones? I would believe that with internet radio, more people would be using such feature than those who currently have it on their home systems. Given Time Warner recent attempts at placing caps on bandwidth, I could see this having a negative consequence... or not... :o


OFF TOPIC: Where is 10.5.7?!? lol Some commentators stated they had received it from Apple via Software Update but nothing came of that rumor. I want it... I need it...

[The Phazer]

In what way? I'm using tuner for web radio, in what way is that any different from letting the ipod do it?

In the way in which, for example, using Tuner (or any streaming media app) is explicitly prohibited under the iPhone terms and conditions on some of it's partner networks (like O2)?

Just because they're not very competent at blocking it does not mean they would be happy with Apple putting it in as a default.

Phone networks are not good at delivering QoS demanding applications like streaming radio - it causes absolute havoc at a network level on Edge and 3G networks.

Over wifi it would be fine, but I'd see very little point to be honest when decent apps already exist.

Phazer

[simulacra]

In the way in which, for example, using Tuner (or any streaming media app) is explicitly prohibited under the iPhone terms and conditions on some of it's partner networks (like O2)?

Just because they're not very competent at blocking it does not mean they would be happy with Apple putting it in as a default.

Phone networks are not good at delivering QoS demanding applications like streaming radio - it causes absolute havoc at a network level on Edge and 3G networks.

Over wifi it would be fine, but I'd see very little point to be honest when decent apps already exist.

Phazer
The point would be to be able to easily manage your own favorite channels, which is a pain in the keester in tuner and all other radio streaming apps, and if the network can't handle the traffic, fix better networks, streaming of music and video will be an important feature in the future.
Imagine what will happen if spotify releases an iphone app...

If my contract states that I have X MB of free data each month it's not my problem if the service provider can handle that or not, in all fairness, most problems seems to stem from AT&T's frequent problems with 3G coverage, I cant see that Telia in sweden would suffer this as they've been rolling out 3G modem subscriptions like crazy in the last 2 years, I'd say that that testifies to their ability to handle the massive amounts of traffic those services bring with them.

[fishkorp]

The point would be to be able to easily manage your own favorite channels, which is a pain in the keester in tuner and all other radio streaming apps, and if the network can't handle the traffic, fix better networks, streaming of music and video will be an important feature in the future.
Imagine what will happen if spotify releases an iphone app...

If my contract states that I have X MB of free data each month it's not my problem if the service provider can handle that or not, in all fairness, most problems seems to stem from AT&T's frequent problems with 3G coverage, I cant see that Telia in sweden would suffer this as they've been rolling out 3G modem subscriptions like crazy in the last 2 years, I'd say that that testifies to their ability to handle the massive amounts of traffic those services bring with them.
Quicktime in 3.0 supports SHOUTcast streams natively. So you can open a stream URL in Safari and quit the browser to the home screen and the music will keep playing. It's about as close as you're going to get to background streaming radio for now. I installed a 2nd browser just so I can listen to a streaming radio station in the background and still browse the web or use other applications.

But I do agree with you, I wish they would just integrate the control in the iPod app. If it can be done in Quicktime, and it's allowed it Quicktime, why not just add the "open->stream" option in the iPod app?

[Dagless]

Oh I hope so, I really hope so.

[rez07]

as all phone cameras do (suck)

this is typical from a guy that is totally ignorant about what exists in terms of cameras on phones...SE C905, Nokia n82, etc, have superb cameras, with proper xenon flashes, outstanding macro capabilities, etc

a decent 3 mp sensor, autofocus, macro capability and a flash light, would make the iphone so much awesome than it is

[bytethese]

Haha, you are funny.

Optics are very important, but megapixels aren't completely unimportant. 3.2 megapixels is only good for 4x6 prints, which will be good enough for most people. But I'd take a 12mp sensor with a kit lens over a 3.2mp sensor on Canon L glass. You just can't get a lot of detail at that resolution, even with a good lens.

BTW, one of the biggest problems with most camera phones are image noise. The pixel density on the sensor is too high and they come out too grainy, especially in shadow areas. They would also have to make the imaging sensor in the iPhone larger, which would make the camera assembly bigger, which makes it less practical.
Not really, you can get quality 5x7 prints and decent 8x10 from a 3.2MP cam.
http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
Works fine for me! :)

Sounds like a dud. I doubt that's it.
No way, double the memory, double the storage, upgraded can, compass? I'm sold.

[Riemann Zeta]

I wish that Apple would update the processor speed on the 3G as part of OS 3.0--it is not as if that is a hard thing to do, they clearly have the ability to change the bus speed in software. The 2nd generation touch has a 133MHz bus and a 533MHz CPU with the same hardware as the 3G. It couldn't be that horrible for battery life. I would gladly sacrifice 10% of the battery time for a much faster CPU.

But I think that a 600MHz A8 is a really good bet for the new iPhone '09. This seems a lot more reasonable that the crazy hype that was going around earlier about a >1GHz dual-core ARM with 2 hardware threads per core and a separate vector unit and then a super-powered pixel-shader 4 GPU on top of that. 256MB of RAM also seems realistic, I just wish Apple had used that amount from the start--128MB is so anemic, Apps only have ~30MB to work with after the system is loaded.

[needthephone]

So so SOOOO fake.

It would be so easy for a iphone developer to mock up that screen and take a screenshot of their iphone.

I know there is no news and we are all desperate for scraps but come on.

At least the fake cases were better than this - I could do this. Go into work get a chinese speaker to write out some plausible looking menu items and moock it up on my iphone.

Hey presto millions of hits to my web site and some of tehm will click my adsense links and make me money.

IF this is the update then it's pretty pathetic and I'm afraid Palm will wipe the floor with the iphone (well until they get sued that is)

[Dragonos]

The photo you posted wasn't a photoshop, it's a shot of someone who modded their firmware.

After many, many leaks over the past few years, I call truth to this. It always looks fake without a distortion field guys.

That is not a modded fimware. I GIMPed the menu screen and sent it as a picture to my iPhone then took a pic with my iSight.

[t0mat0]

Quicktime in 3.0 supports SHOUTcast streams natively. So you can open a stream URL in Safari and quit the browser to the home screen and the music will keep playing. It's about as close as you're going to get to background streaming radio for now. I installed a 2nd browser just so I can listen to a streaming radio station in the background and still browse the web or use other applications.

But I do agree with you, I wish they would just integrate the control in the iPod app. If it can be done in Quicktime, and it's allowed it Quicktime, why not just add the "open->stream" option in the iPod app?

IF you can use a stream url in safari - hopefully it'll be a bit easier - create a shortcut then save as a bookmark onto your screen?

[jfremani]

What is with this obsession with megapixels? 3.2MP is already considerably larger than the resolution of most monitors. Unless you're going to zoom in or print a huge photo with it, then it is really overkill. More pixels on the sensor to light up the more problems you're likely to have in low light situations (or blur to compensate). 3.2mp is sort of a sweet spot. Image optics are more important and a quality 3.2mp camera will yield better results than a shoddy 10mp camera, ESPECIALLY after you've reduced the size down to a photo that can fit on a webpage or facebook profile.


Sounds like a lame update. I guess no need to upgrade from the 3G then.

3.2MP for a media centric device...really?...in 2009?



The phone supports international languages?

[iNash]

Quick question
Why is Network another menu?
Version number - does it check out?
Carrier as AT&T3.5 ?
Does the model number of serial end check out?

Does the current phone work on Chinese carriers? Why wasn't this mentioned? Used on US AT&T then why the 3.5 (3.5G?)

Plus the numbers don't align perfectly they look a little uneven to me suggesting P'Shop maybe?

[Bigdaddyguido]

This update looks incredible, I do hope it's true, it may even be good enough for me to very unexpectedly upgrade early.

As has been pointed out, how is increasing the processor speed 50% and doubling the ram not a huge deal? I'm no expert, but I've never seen a phone processor top 600 MHz, so this sounds pretty sweet.

3.2 mp camera with autofocus is perfect, anything more would be wasteful on many levels. Too much battery life, not enough size in phone body to improve optics, too big image sizes, all bad news. Didn't you guys see those shots done by developers using the old 2 mp camera with the 3.0 software, those looked so much better, this will be awesome.

I think 3.5g is the 7.2 spec, it's not called 3g 2.0.

Finally, why do people hate on the plastic, I love it. Sure, it sucked on notebooks, but the improvement for wireless/voice reception is very important on a phone. Plus if won't scratch, huge bonus. I've never seen a cracking 3g case in the wild, so it's not a *major* issue.

My only reason to ponder if it's a fake is no mention of wireless n since that sounds feasible to help boost overall network speed at home with other N devices.

As long as they add a compass, this update is huge. The app store will have a party with it.

[astroboi7]

Something to think about in all of this is that apple would really love to beat the palm in every way shape and form if they can. I cant talk about my knowledge of ARM processors but one would imagine that if there isn't much in the way of them doing it (which with the battery improvements the macbooks have seen with a bit more tech behind them) then they may well try to pip 600mhz and go higher.

[astroboi7]

Plus the numbers don't align perfectly they look a little uneven to me suggesting P'Shop maybe?

After seeing the areas in which they don't line up (man i should pay more attention to what's in front of me) i'm pretty sure its a fake screen shot. But regardless of that we are a month away from WWDC so we are going to see a huge increase in rumors coming out, so everyone should be prepared for lots of fakes.

[t0mat0]

Where's the tech world's "insider sources" for the accessory market? THey'd be doubly useful right now
- to give info on shape
- to give info on accessories coming down the pipeline, who's doing accessories.

Maybe there are some components Apple is waiting for. More and more likely iPHone 3Gs get OS 3.0, and updated versions later. Christmas? :eek:

[Roessnakhan]

Especially if they had the blackberry led light hidden like the lights on the new macbooks.

Definitely sign me up for that one too.

I would say this is likely bogus based on the FM detail.

Nike+ uses an FM transmitter.

[whooleytoo]

If true, it'll be interesting to see what effect this has on App Store games. If the new iPhone is quicker*, developers will want to bleed every last drip of performance out of the new device, which then either wouldn't work well, or would need a different version for the old iPhones - it would segment the market.

I know Apple have never been a very games-friendly company, but with games sales dominating the App Store, that might force their hand a little. Instead of frequent, minor updates; they may opt for larger upgrades, every 3-4 years; more in line with how consoles are introduced.

(* I didn't notice any mention of upgrades to the graphics architecture, but a CPU and RAM upgrade is bound to give some boost to just about any game).

[MrZebra]

A pressed aluminum case could be thinner than the current plastic yet tougher. Add an all black glass top and micro perforations for the speakers and status lights like the MB's and you've got yourself one sexy, plastic free iPhone. :D

That would perfect!

[lukin]

I know this is a *rumor* and may not be true.

However, with that said, I'm completely surprised by the low number of people who are commenting on the battery. I'm due to upgrade my 2007 iPhone with this refresh (after returning the 3G due to battery life) and I will not purchase a refresh without substantial battery life improvements.

If I can't wake up in the morning, use the phone during the day and make it through an evening out without worrying about it turning off because the battery then I don't want it. I'll most likely switch back to Verizon and be happy with the cell service and a phone I can go more than 8 hours without having a charge.

I don't want to do that, but I will. I'm happy with any of these upgrades with the sole exception of the battery... do you people just sit near an outlet all day and find it ok to always keep a charger with you? Wouldn't freedom from worrying about charge for 24 hours be the biggest update possible?

[stagi]

I think this would be a great update if they also increased the battery life at least 25% more than current, that would get me through a full day without having to charge and make me very happy :)

[mappyman]

256MB Ram... not enough IMO.

The current IPhone has 128MB but load up freememory and it shows only about 30MB free. Springboard and other OS crap takes up 98MB RAM.

I would prefer 512MB for Safari, GPS programs, adobe flash, caching larger maps, augmented reality apps etc.

[wolfshades]

Sounds like a lame update. I guess no need to upgrade from the 3G then.

There's enough in this update (if the details are true) to warrant purchasing it. 32 GIGs for example - that's relatively huge when it comes to storage.

I worry about the effect of the increased processor speed on the battery drain though. That's the only thing that might make me hesitate.

[Saladinos]

I'm not really that impressed by the hardware specs alone, but as we know, hardware is only half the picture.

The much faster CPU and more memory should allow background applications, which would change the picture of the new model. However, I'm a little disappointed with the iPhone - the OS is still extremely buggy. Lots of random crashes, memory issues and reboots. This is simply unacceptable. OS 1.X didn't do this, and was much faster. This update would relieve the symptoms a bit, but that doesn't smell right.

My contract is ending in January, and I see no reason to upgrade to the new iPhone before then. If I wait until my contract is done, I can buy a Pre and keep my existing iPhone 3G and enjoy the best of both worlds.

If this had been a major iPhone change with, say, video conferencing and better specs than those release, I'd really consider it. I'd be looking for:
- Better battery life
- 386Mb RAM
- Camera with flash
- 802.11n
- Other new hardware features - maybe a better resolution screen

[igazza]

Lets hope when apple built the 17 inch MBP battery they learnt something, something they can use for the iphone.

[koobcamuk]

Man you guys will complain and moan about everything


I would rather have false claims with a screengrab , at least this sounds more believable.

than false claims with CLEARLY fake photoshop.

Haha. How about the Mac Mini that was released... all the Photoshop "experts" got that one right, didn't they???

[koobcamuk]

Who cares? It will suck whether or not it has 3.2 MP and autofocus, as all phone cameras do.

Erm, my 2005 3.2 MP with 2x optical zoom, Sharp 903SH took this photo:

http://web.mac.com/martinirwin/photography/home_files/07-04-15_18-09_2%20-%20iPhoto%20Edited.jpg

I think you'll agree, that it's a nice camera phone photo.

[Peterwdmd]

Has anyone mentioned the possibility of the new iphone coming with an OLED screen? If this rumor were to come true, then I would definitely consider upgrading from my current 3G iphone. That would be a major improvement not only to the display quality but also battery life.

[flottenheimer]

MP doesn't matter as long as the optics are good.

I think you, I and a minority of others are the only ones who understands that. :-)

(And before you all start: Yes I'm well aware that a 0.1MP camera with damn fine optics wouldn't cut it either).

[fishkorp]

IF you can use a stream url in safari - hopefully it'll be a bit easier - create a shortcut then save as a bookmark onto your screen?

There's no "if" about it, all beta releases of 3.0 so far have been able to do this. I've been doing this almost daily. I'll fire up Safari, point to the stream URL, it starts playing, then I hit the home button and use my other apps while walking the dog and still listening to my stream of choice.

You can also stream SHOUTcast directly in an app using the MPMoviePlayerController now with 3.0, without using any fancy AudiQueues and stuff. It can take a developer 3 minutes to build a streaming radio app now for basic SHOUTcast streams.

[sushi]

I think you, I and a minority of others are the only ones who understands that. :-)
Unfortunately, the marketing types have made pixel count the issue. It's an easy number to quantify. :(

[jouster]

(suck)

this is typical from a guy that is totally ignorant about what exists in terms of cameras on phones...SE C905, Nokia n82, etc, have superb cameras, with proper xenon flashes, outstanding macro capabilities, etc

a decent 3 mp sensor, autofocus, macro capability and a flash light, would make the iphone so much awesome than it is

You have no idea of my knowledge of, or experience with, camera phones.

Erm, my 2005 3.2 MP with 2x optical zoom, Sharp 903SH took this photo:

http://web.mac.com/martinirwin/photography/home_files/07-04-15_18-09_2%20-%20iPhoto%20Edited.jpg

I think you'll agree, that it's a nice camera phone photo.

Yep, it's a nice pic - at least the very small version you posted is. How much PP did you do?