New iPhone and iPod Touch Details? iPod to Get Camera?

[MacRumors]

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HardMac claims (http://www.hardmac.com/news/2009/05/15/rumors-informations-about-the-future-iphone-and-ipod) that they have heard some interesting tidbits about future iPhones and iPods from their sources.- The future iPhone models will have exactly the same shape and size than the current iPhone 3G, despite fakes and rumors circulating.
- Apple should refresh models for the iPod nano and Touch in september. Both should now include a camera, similarly to the iPhone.The iPhone retaining it's current shape and size is perhaps consistent with the recent rumors from China (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/11/chinese-forum-poster-claims-next-generation-iphone-details/), but the addition of a camera to the iPod Touch and iPod Nano is a new possibility.

A camera on the iPod Touch may make the most sense as it would bring the iPhone and iPod Touch closer together in terms of features. A camera addition to the iPod Nano, however, would be a surprise. There has been talk that Apple might be positioning video to be a killer feature in the next iPhones, and this could be an extension of that.

Meanwhile, some Best Buy (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Project-Charlier---three-secret-AT-T-devices-bound-for-Best-Buy-article-a_5065.html) inventory screenshots reveal some product placeholders for something called "Project Charlie". Some are speculating that this could be the new iPhone, but we have our doubts of the significance of this. In the past, it's been shown that Best Buy frequently adds inventory items without any insider knowledge.

Article Link: New iPhone and iPod Touch Details? iPod to Get Camera? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/15/new-iphone-and-ipod-touch-details-ipod-to-get-camera/)

[Unspoken Demise]

Ooooh. Sounds interesting. However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? It doesn't seem like a good move from a business stand point, but its great for consumers.

[Roessnakhan]

Camera on the nano? Weiiiird.

However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch.

The touch is essentially a PDA, and with apps like Facebook and Twitter (with TwitPic), it would be a welcome feature on the touch. The nano on the other hand is kooky.

[edesignuk]

The iPhone's current form seems pretty much spot on. I don't think anyone has a problem with how it looks or feels (other than the plasticness, but you're not going to get rid of that now, this is a mass market device).

All they can do is bump up internal specification of the hardware really, and that's all they need to do.

[Unspoken Demise]

The iPhone's current form seems pretty much spot on. I don't think anyone has a problem with how it looks or feels (other than the plasticness, but you're not going to get rid of that now, this is a mass market device).

All they can do is bump up internal specification of the hardware really, and that's all they need to do.

Here's hoping for better processing power and a better lasting battery.

Big money big money no whammy no whammy....

Anyways, I dislike the back of the 3g. But you're absolutly right, they won't do away with it.

[talkingfuture]

Can't say I ever felt the need for a camera on my iPod but you never know.

[Small White Car]

Ooooh. Sounds interesting. However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch.

Uh...why not?

I'm pretty sure Apple makes a profit from selling an iPod.

[mogzieee]

I will be so annoyed if the touch gets a camera... lol.

Although, then, those iPod's would FLY off the shelves.

[remmy]

I do wonder how good the camera would be on the ipod touch?

[Unspoken Demise]

Uh...why not?

I'm pretty sure Apple makes a profit from selling an iPod.

Well sure, they'll make money irregardless. But if you shorten the gap between the iPod Touch and iPhone then you reduce the incentive to get an iPhone. However, I see your point. They make money one way or another.

[TraceyS/FL]

Ooooh. Sounds interesting. However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? It doesn't seem like a good move from a business stand point, but its great for consumers.

A camera is so NOT an incentive at all for me to consider an iPhone over a Touch. Not at all... i don't get that argument.

The basis for that decision - for me is:

1. do i want the monthly BILL that comes with a phone? How long term stable is my income level. 2 years ago when i got my current smartphone i never thought i'd be where i am today in that area. Locking into a high price for 2 years is a scary thought.

2. what carrier is it on? In my case AT&T would be a bad choice since everyone i call is on Verizon.

But it's NEVER been, hey, i'm getting the iPhone over the Touch because it has a camera. Of course, i rarely use the camera on my phone now...

Don't get me wrong, i'd love to see a camera added, but in today's economy Apple wants units sold, so there can be Apps bought. The addition of the camera might help increase Touch sales, and allow some people to not break their budgets by entering a contract for 2 years.

I hope it's true - i just wish it wasn't a September thing.

[tobefirst]

A camera on the nano? I'm not buying this rumor.

[SwiftLives]

Perhaps the "nano" is referring to the iPod Touch nano?

[skidoo99]

With the 3.0 software developers will have access to the port on the iphone and ipod touch. Is there anything stopping someone like Verizon from making an adapter for their high speed data network? Couple the touch with Sykpe (or a similar program) and high speed data access and there isn't much of need to get an iPhone.

[Shiner]

Well sure, they'll make money irregardless. But if you shorten the gap between the iPod Touch and iPhone then you reduce the incentive to get an iPhone. However, I see your point. They make money one way or another.

I am still missing your point. Who cares if the incentive to purchase the iphone goes down?

[liveccam]

Its always nice to see the Touch improved upon. I bought it specifically to use as a PDA on wifi and it hasn't been a disappointment. The Iphone and it's insane monthly charges for cellular and data access just isn't worth the price or the hassle of the contract. With many great apps unusable over 3G anyway, why bother? I can't wait to see a Touch with a faster CPU, more memory, and perhaps a camera.

[H$R]

If they keep this plastic back on the iPhone I hope they at least changed a bit of it to make it more sturdier and prevent it from cracking..

I wish it was some kind of grip as seen in earlier rumors. That would be a lot more useful.

[Small White Car]

Well sure, they'll make money irregardless. But if you shorten the gap between the iPod Touch and iPhone then you reduce the incentive to get an iPhone. However, I see your point. They make money one way or another.

Yeah, you're thinking like AT&T. But they don't have any say in this.

I don't think Apple really cares if you buy an iPhone or an iPod, as long as you pick one of the two.

[Optimus Frag]

Gotta admit, it never occurred to me to put a camera on any of the iPods.

But now it's been mentioned I'm thinking why it hasn't been done before.

[jholzner]

A camera on the nano? I'm not buying this rumor.

Maybe we'll see the intro of the iPod touch nano/mini

[jamesryanbell]

Well sure, they'll make money irregardless. But if you shorten the gap between the iPod Touch and iPhone then you reduce the incentive to get an iPhone. However, I see your point. They make money one way or another.

Not trying to be a jerk but i'm a grammar nazi, so please put up with me. :o

"Irregardless" doesn't make sense. It would be "regardless".

[Vulpinemac]

I hope it's true - i just wish it wasn't a September thing.

What makes you think it is? There's at least a reasonable chance that it's a June thing.

[qbricc]

Why is it that when ever the iPod touch is rumored to get a feature which is the same as the iphone that people always comments on this damaging profit for Apple. It is the phone companies which want you to choose the iphone over the touch. I'm sure that Apple profit both ways.

Bring on data plans and cameras for the ipod touch.

[iOrlando]

front facing camera for video chat calls........thats all i am asking for...

i know its coming..question is what year...

[twoodcc]

i still hope the new iphone goes back to metal casing though.

a camera on the nano? what about the classic then?

[FSMBP]

A camera is so NOT an incentive at all for me to consider an iPhone over a Touch. Not at all... i don't get that argument.

The basis for that decision - for me is:

1. do i want the monthly BILL that comes with a phone? How long term stable is my income level. 2 years ago when i got my current smartphone i never thought i'd be where i am today in that area. Locking into a high price for 2 years is a scary thought.

2. what carrier is it on? In my case AT&T would be a bad choice since everyone i call is on Verizon.

But it's NEVER been, hey, i'm getting the iPhone over the Touch because it has a camera. Of course, i rarely use the camera on my phone now...

Don't get me wrong, i'd love to see a camera added, but in today's economy Apple wants units sold, so there can be Apps bought. The addition of the camera might help increase Touch sales, and allow some people to not break their budgets by entering a contract for 2 years.

I hope it's true - i just wish it wasn't a September thing.

Exactly. The iPod touch and the iPhone are two different beasts. One is a phone (it's key feature) and one is a media player.

I knew that once the steam from the iPod touch runs out that Apple will add a camera. Imagine, a Photo Booth type app; kids would love taking pictures and add effects (in fact, I know I have spent hours messing with my iSight and effects and I'm 22).

Although, I don't think feel like Apple will add a camera next update; it would make more sense maybe in 2 updates from now.

[birch25]

I do wish my current Touch had a camera :(

It would be amazing if the next iPhone shared the Touch's form factor though. My friends' iPhones feel quite large in comparison. Either way, I;m going to make the jump to iPhone whenever the new one comes out.

[Vulpinemac]

Its always nice to see the Touch improved upon. I bought it specifically to use as a PDA on wifi and it hasn't been a disappointment. The Iphone and it's insane monthly charges for cellular and data access just isn't worth the price or the hassle of the contract. With many great apps unusable over 3G anyway, why bother? I can't wait to see a Touch with a faster CPU, more memory, and perhaps a camera.

I really don't get where you're claiming 'insane' data rates. I'm not paying any more now than I was with my old non-iPhone unit from AT&T/Cingular and that was WELL below $100.

[iOrlando]

Why is it that when ever the iPod touch is rumored to get a feature which is the same as the iphone that people always comments on this damaging profit for Apple. It is the phone companies which want you to choose the iphone over the touch. I'm sure that Apple profit both ways.

Bring on data plans and cameras for the ipod touch.


As long as an ipod touch doesnt have 3G capability and the ability to make a phone call..you can give it all of the other iphone features and you wont have to fear about people choosing an ipod over iphone.

If you want an iphone you wont go...hmmm ipod touch has a camera too..let me get that...and then get another phone to go with it....that makes no sense...

[ChiChi]

Didn't thought the 2nd generation of the iPod Touch was worth upgrading to. If the new iPod Touch really gets a camera, I'd buy it! <3

[Unspoken Demise]

Yeah, you're thinking like AT&T. But they don't have any say in this.

I don't think Apple really cares if you buy an iPhone or an iPod, as long as you pick one of the two.

You're right. But doesn't Apple see any profit from the data plan?

Not trying to be a jerk but i'm a grammar nazi, so please put up with me. :o

"Irregardless" doesn't make sense. It would be "regardless".

I'll keep that in mind next time I need to use regardless/ irregardless.

[savanahrose]

However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? It doesn't seem like a good move from a business stand point, but its great for consumers.

The iphone would still have the capability of using 3g or edge, while the ipod touch won't be able to access this.

That is the reason why my brother wants an iphone just so that he can go on the internet. His daughter has an ipod touch while he likes it he does not like the fact that it can only be used with a wifi connection. Correct?

[soundsgoodtome]

Not trying to be a jerk but i'm a grammar nazi, so please put up with me. :o

"Irregardless" doesn't make sense. It would be "regardless".

Not only does it not make sense; it's not a word.

[Shiner]

I have the first generation itouch (free with computer purchase) and I love it. I treat it as a PDA and never leave home without it. One thing that I must admit is all of the features are great but it leaves me wanting a connection 24/7. Thus I will be buying the new iphone. My wife loves my itouch so much she will be buying the new iphone. I wonder how many people will use the itouch and love it and then want more and step up and buy the iphone? Man apple knows how to take your money!!!

[t0mat0]

Not changing the shape explains why we haven't heard anything about new cases etc showing different shape. I'd imagine it then means that we'll see colored iPhones, to differentiate the new ones.

Could Apple have been able to have been more secretive about the new iPhone's innards, by keeping the shape the same?

[Roessnakhan]

i still hope the new iphone goes back to metal casing though.

a camera on the nano? what about the classic then?

I loved the metal back, but I like better reception more.

[liveccam]

I have the first generation itouch (free with computer purchase) and I love it. I treat it as a PDA and never leave home without it. One thing that I must admit is all of the features are great but it leaves me wanting a connection 24/7. Thus I will be buying the new iphone. My wife loves my itouch so much she will be buying the new iphone. I wonder how many people will use the itouch and love it and then want more and step up and buy the iphone? Man apple knows how to take your money!!!

Here's what you do. Go to millenicom.com and get yourself a 3G USB
modem and their monthly data plan at $59.95 a month with no data caps, no taxes, no contract, and no cancellation fee. Then get a portable router and use your Touch and all of your other wireless devices on that for one monthly price. No I don't work for Millenicom and haven't done this yet but I'm thinking seriously about it. Put the 3G modem/router in the car, let the kids surf the net, and let my Touch work on 3G from anywhere.

[iPaf]

Maybe they won't change the shape and design... that doesn't exclude that Apple might change the material they use to make it!

Metal, I want mettaallll

[iPhoneNYC]

I was kinda hoping for a different size and shape. It's the old "I get a new phone every two years itch." But if it's the same shape it better be full of goodies!

[RodThePlod]

Perhaps the "nano" is referring to the iPod Touch nano?

Or the iPhone nano ;)

iPhone nano = camera
iPhone HD = video

:)

RTP.

[depaulsunny]

Project charlie actually makes sense as this will be the 3rd revision of iphone and ipod touch..

[Jayomat]

camera for the ipod touch? possible!
camera for the ipod nano? don't think so!

[gregarious119]

Didn't thought the 2nd generation of the iPod Touch was worth upgrading to. If the new iPod Touch really gets a camera, I'd buy it! <3

I'll echo that!

Twitter and Facebook become much more useful with that. The speaker wasn't all that compelling to upgrade...but add in the camera and I'll be trading in my 1st Gen 8GB for a 3rd Gen immediately!

[GQB]

... but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? It doesn't seem like a good move from a business stand point, but its great for consumers.

I was yearning for an "iPhone without the phone" from day one, and think that the success of the touch took even Apple by suprise.
touch is no longer the red-haired stepchild and the 'phoneless' part of the family may ultimately usurp the iPhone itself.
I'm on my 2nd touch (bough a gen2 after my gen1 got stolen) and if they release with a camera I'll be upgrading and passing my current one to my daughter or wife.

[BJB Productions]

That's what I've been holding out for--the iPod Touch with a camera.:D

[illitrate23]

some product placeholders for something called "Project Charlie".

"Charlie don't surf!"

[Michael CM1]

In reference to all the iPod touch vs. iPhone stuff, I don't think a camera is going to make people buy an iPod touch instead of an iPhone. The cost of service and/or tie to AT&T is what will keep most from getting an iPhone.

I think it would be a neat addition for iPod touch users. The camera just needs to be better than most cell phone cameras to make a difference since iPod touch owners will likely also have a cell phone.

As for "Project Charlie," does this mean the new devices come preloaded with music by Drive Shaft?

[Pugpuppydude]

So iPod touch would have video recording?

[dagamer34]

The MAJOR differentiating feature between the iPhone and the iPod Touch is not the phone (that comes for "free"), but the data plan that comes with iPhones. Any app that uses the Internet instantly becomes more useable on the iPhone because you don't have to go looking around for a WiFi hotspot feeling frustrated. You can also use the app in the car.

I remember I had the original iPhone for about 7 months on T-Mobile (unlocked myself) but my parents didn't let me get the $6 data plan to use EDGE. I always felt miserable if I wasn't in an area with a WiFi network.

Believe me, even if the iPod Touch had complete feature parity with the iPhone, that glaring difference still exists with the lack of always on internet.

[yorkshire]

I find a camera in any iPod somewhat unlikely.

[gkarris]

GPS would be nice too...

A Shuffle with a camera and GPS! Because life is random.... :p

[BTW]

A camera in both would be cool but I'd like to see the iPhone OS in the Nano iPod. Getting the iPhone OS in any other form factor other than that similar to the G2 iPhone would be awesome!

[puffnstuff]

camera? Yesh!

now all I need is a 3g modem to connect through the dock connector :cool:


I think Apple is starting to push the touch more in the gaming direction. We got a hint of it when it was touted as the "funnest ipod ever". With the release of the new 3.0 SDK it allows a gamepad to work with App store games. So a camera is no surprise since the DSi and rumored PSP has one. I do think that the new touch will completely branch off of the iPhone with better graphics, processing,ram,etc to compete more with the gaming market.

Oh and camera on the nano I can kinda see. The shuffle was showed that Apple is over buttons. So I can see the next nano being one big screen. They already have tiny keychain cameras much smaller then the nano. So I do not see how that will be so far fetched.

[vancexxx]

I'll echo that!

Twitter and Facebook become much more useful with that. The speaker wasn't all that compelling to upgrade...but add in the camera and I'll be trading in my 1st Gen 8GB for a 3rd Gen immediately!

Me three!
I can't wait for the new ipod touch and regardless of having a camera or not (although i strongly hope this is true) i'll switch onto the 3rd gen. I hope and think it's a June event, or whenever the new iPhone comes out, the ipod touch usually gets an upgrade the same time, not with the rest of the ipods.

If they also raise the bar with capacity, maybe they'll lower the prices and i, for one, don't need more than 8 gb. I need better battery life however.

I'm not buying that "iphone/ipod touch nano" crap. i do believe there might be a cheaper iphone coming out, but not smaller or worse. At best, they'll keep the 3G on the market as the "entry level" one, like they did with the Macbook White.

Over and out.

[guzhogi]

Ooooh. Sounds interesting. However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? It doesn't seem like a good move from a business stand point, but its great for consumers.

In my opinion, the iPhone having a phone functionality should be enough to differentiate the 2.

[Unspoken Demise]

In my opinion, the iPhone having a phone functionality should be enough to differentiate the 2.

Too bad that the voice quality of the iPhone isn't a very convincing arguement for most people to switch carriers/ phones. Maybe the new version will be better, but if "its a phone" is its only leg to stand on, most won't switch. I'd rather have my phone with great phone quality and an iPod Touch than a phone that can do both, with less quality when combined.

[Virgil-TB2]

I really don't get where you're claiming 'insane' data rates. I'm not paying any more now than I was with my old non-iPhone unit from AT&T/Cingular and that was WELL below $100.I can't answer for the poster but to me, the "insane" data rates moniker fits rather well.

Prices are "insane" because they are far, far above what it actually costs the cell provider to maintain and provide the service (orders of magnitude higher).

They are also "insane" if (like many), you never had a smartphone before and were used to paying about $20 a month for a cell and now you have to pay $70. That's more than three times the price for the average first time buyer, just to get the iPhone as opposed to their former phone.

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[genmic]

Not only does it not make sense; it's not a word.

Actually it is a word:

usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose...

from... Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless)

Irregardless, it's still annoying...

And I will be so disappointed if the new iPhone isn't an improved design over the 3G glossy plastic :(

[fishkorp]

People keep mentioning the dock connector and OS 3.0. Just any old dev can't make something that works with the dock connector. In order to use it the device HAS TO go through the "Made For iPod" program and the app is tied to that device. So a generic gamepad won't work (under the current rules) because the pad needs to (a) be "Made For iPod" and (b) have a specific app tied to it. I don't know if Verizon would go through the trouble of the investment in putting together an iPod Touch dock connector device to allow 3G data on the iPod. And since it would have to work WITH AN APP, once you quit that app you lose the connectivity, so you can't run your other network-centric apps while using the Verizon "connection" app. Worthless. I know a lot of people are excited about dock connector being open, but it's not as open as people think.

[dlastmango]

"Charlie don't surf!"
What a great line...
I thought the exact same thing when I read "Project Charlie" :cool:

[iMacmatician]

Great news, I'm surprised the iPod nano may get a camera. Looks like camera/video will be a big thing in the 2009 iPod/iPhone refresh.

Meanwhile, some Best Buy (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Project-Charlier---three-secret-AT-T-devices-bound-for-Best-Buy-article-a_5065.html) inventory screenshots reveal some product placeholders for something called "Project Charlie". Some are speculating that this could be the new iPhone, but we have our doubts of the significance of this. In the past, it's been shown that Best Buy frequently adds inventory items without any insider knowledge.Mini-tablet? :rolleyes: :D

a camera on the nano? what about the classic then?The rumor didn't mention the iPod classic…

[H$R]

Now, remember those rumors about 3.2 MP and 5 MP cameras?

How about the iPhone gets the 5 MP and the iPod Touches get the 3.2 (now in June or maybe later in September)?

Screw those Chinese rumors a few days ago and at the moment I don't think that the nano really needs a camera.

[puffnstuff]

People keep mentioning the dock connector and OS 3.0. Just any old dev can't make something that works with the dock connector. In order to use it the device HAS TO go through the "Made For iPod" program and the app is tied to that device. So a generic gamepad won't work (under the current rules) because the pad needs to (a) be "Made For iPod" and (b) have a specific app tied to it.

Yes I know it would have to be approved by Apple but are you sure about (b) if a company like Belkin came out with a gamepad there would be no way for game developers to have their games tie in with it?


I don't know if Verizon would go through the trouble of the investment in putting together an iPod Touch dock connector device to allow 3G data on the iPod. And since it would have to work WITH AN APP, once you quit that app you lose the connectivity, so you can't run your other network-centric apps while using the Verizon "connection" app.


I can dream can't I ;) Oh well there is always mifi I guess I wait until the price comes down on that :(

[WLS]

That's what I've been holding out for--the iPod Touch with a camera.:D
No me but if they upgrade the processor and memory and make the bluetooth usable it just might. what would be killer is a slightly bigger screen say 6inch. that would still be pocketable and easier to look at.

[BeyondtheTech]

Since we're only one year into our iPhone 3Gs, there's probably very little motivation for me to try to do an early upgrade.

Digital compass? Eh, fun but not earth-shattering.

FM radio/transmitter? Would be nice, but there are many apps that stream FM stations, or just other media in general, and as for the transmitter, I've got Bluetooth with A2DP, so it's working out well even in the car with my Motorola T505.

Higher megapixel camera? Nice, but again, is it worth the early upgrade costs and efforts?

More capacity? 32GB is nice, but I have a hard time filling up 16GB as it is, even with a bunch of movies. It's also very time consuming to watch it sync up that much stuff.

More battery life? I'm speculating on this one, but I'm hearing the next-gen iPhone will retain the same shape, and I just bought a mophie Juice Air Pack, so I'll be OK still.

Video recording? If this was only in the next-gen iPhone, it's a slight possibility. I've lived without it for two years, and I've dealt with workarounds such as my own trusty digital camera.

Front-facing camera? We haven't heard anything on this front, but if there's any indication we could have videoconferencing via iChat, Skype, or some other program in the App Store, I would upgrade both me and my wife the same week.

[The Phazer]

The iPhone's current form seems pretty much spot on. I don't think anyone has a problem with how it looks or feels (other than the plasticness, but you're not going to get rid of that now, this is a mass market device)

Err... I do. I hate the curvature of the 3G vs the 2G.

Phazer

[Vulpinemac]

They are also "insane" if (like many), you never had a smartphone before and were used to paying about $20 a month for a cell and now you have to pay $70. That's more than three times the price for the average first time buyer, just to get the iPhone as opposed to their former phone.

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I guess I'm lucky then, I didn't have a smart phone before, and I'm only paying $10/month more now than I was with my previous phone.

[Unspoken Demise]

Err... I do. I hate the curvature of the 3G vs the 2G.

Phazer

I hate how the 3g doesn't sit flat on a table. :(

[cmichaelb]

What makes you think it is? There's at least a reasonable chance that it's a June thing.

September is the traditional month for iPod updates. 3.0 software will most likely be available in June and new models in September.
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As for the camera issue, I'd love to see a 3mp camera added to the touch. My old Sony PDA had a camera, so why not the iPod touch? Many of us use it as a PDA replacement.

[Goona]

Ooooh. Sounds interesting. However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? It doesn't seem like a good move from a business stand point, but its great for consumers.

It's a phone, gps, internet everywhere.

[iCantwait]

Charlie=C

C=3

3= 3rd gen iPhone

OMG!!!!!!!!! Y'all suck:p get over it

[t0mat0]

People keep mentioning the dock connector and OS 3.0. Just any old dev can't make something that works with the dock connector. In order to use it the device HAS TO go through the "Made For iPod" program and the app is tied to that device.

Exactly. So you're more likely to get accessories from larger accessory making companies, and large companies that want to create an accessory for their app / vice versa.

It is closed up (partly to stop hoi polloi from seeing information about it perhaps?) tight currently. Even if just Nike got involved it would be big. I'd side with Daniel Eran Dilger's point of view on this one.

One app could interact with multiple sensors - In app pay per additional type of sensor. Or free app, price is with the accessory.

[crees!]

If the iPod is getting a camera my bet would be then that a new iPhone model will be released at WWDC and then a few months later the iPod Touch will be updated. That's how they did it before when first releasing the iPod Touch, a few months later. From a sales point of view that gives more focus on the iPhone then before that starts to settle the iPod is debuted.

[Unspoken Demise]

It's a phone, gps, internet everywhere.

Poor voice quality. GPS systems with much more depth are not that expensive anymore. Not in my room.

[crees!]

The MAJOR differentiating feature between the iPhone and the iPod Touch is not the phone (that comes for "free"), but the data plan that comes with iPhones. Any app that uses the Internet instantly becomes more useable on the iPhone because you don't have to go looking around for a WiFi hotspot feeling frustrated. You can also use the app in the car.

I remember I had the original iPhone for about 7 months on T-Mobile (unlocked myself) but my parents didn't let me get the $6 data plan to use EDGE. I always felt miserable if I wasn't in an area with a WiFi network.

Believe me, even if the iPod Touch had complete feature parity with the iPhone, that glaring difference still exists with the lack of always on internet.

Ditto. Not having "constant" access like the iPhone is a breaker to some people.

[akm3]

Can't say I ever felt the need for a camera on my iPod but you never know.

It could make sense if it was a GOOD camera instead of a cellphone camera

[Mykbibby]

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If the plastic doesn't go, neither does my money.

[Unspoken Demise]

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If the plastic doesn't go, neither does my money.

Wow, its really THAT much of a deal breaker to you? What if they went back to the same form of the 2g, but instead of metal it was plastic? They may keep plastic backings to keep signal strength intact.

[Gasu E.]

why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? .

...except BE a $%$^ PHONE!!!!! <raises voice for comedic effect>

;)

[infowarfare]

Actually it is a word:

usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose...

from... Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless)

Irregardless, it's still annoying...

And I will be so disappointed if the new iPhone isn't an improved design over the 3G glossy plastic :(

Not to beat this horse to death but, it may be a "word" but it is an incorrect word; another example of how American slang becomes so ubiquitous that the majority takes it as proper usage. According to my dictionary:

irregardless |ˌiriˈgärdlis|
adjective & adverb informal
regardless.

ORIGIN early 20th cent.: probably a blend of irrespective and regardless .

USAGE Irregardless, with its illogical negative prefix, is widely heard, perhaps arising under the influence of such perfectly correct forms as : irrespective. Irregardless is avoided by careful users of English. Use regardless to mean 'without regard or consideration for' or 'nevertheless': : I go walking every day regardless of season or weather.

Now we can put this to rest and move on to the topic at hand.

[casik]

No me but if they upgrade the processor and memory and make the bluetooth usable it just might. what would be killer is a slightly bigger screen say 6inch. that would still be pocketable and easier to look at.

Are you kidding me? there is no way the screen could be a 6 inch diagonal. The device would be almost four times as big! I dunno what kinda pockets you have.... not to mention how rediculous we would all look holding that up to our ears...

[t0mat0]

I'd say this is a hint towards the death of the click-wheel. Nano to go touchscreen? Current version shape would be almost wide screen ratio.

[Gasu E.]

A Shuffle with a camera and GPS! Because life is random.... :p

You could set the camera on "whenever" mode and it would snap off pictures at random intervals.

[Goona]

Too bad that the voice quality of the iPhone isn't a very convincing arguement for most people to switch carriers/ phones. Maybe the new version will be better, but if "its a phone" is its only leg to stand on, most won't switch. I'd rather have my phone with great phone quality and an iPod Touch than a phone that can do both, with less quality when combined.

My iphone has great voice quality.

[W1LLk]

Not trying to be a jerk but i'm a grammar nazi, so please put up with me. :o

"Irregardless" doesn't make sense. It would be "regardless".

Actually, while being a non-standard word, and a double-negative of sorts, it simply means "not without regard" or anyways or in spite of. Besides, horrible words like ain't and creatures of ebonics :( seeped into vernacular despite the watchful eye of grammar-mongers like yourself.

P.S. I tend to agree with you and do not approve the use of stupid words.


Let's elevate the English language to the level it used to be. We've dropped who knows how many levels since Edwardian times.

[Unspoken Demise]

...except BE a $%$^ PHONE!!!!! <raises voice for comedic effect>

;)

Very comedic indeed.

So a quick hypothetical:

They give the iPod Touch EVERY feature an iPhone can do, only any iPhone can naturally make calls.

You would abandon your old phone, pay 30$ more a month on your service, and get horrible voice quality, JUST because its a phone?

I PERSONALLY would get an iPod Touch, have no commitment or contract, and keep my current phone. You know, so I can actually hear what the other person is saying.

Hmmm

[isepic]

Not to beat this horse to death but, it may be a "word" but it is an incorrect word; another example of how American slang becomes so ubiquitous that the majority takes it as proper usage. According to my dictionary:



Now we can put this to rest and move on to the topic at hand.

Next:

Flammable vs. Inflammable!

[Goona]

Poor voice quality. GPS systems with much more depth are not that expensive anymore. Not in my room.

Poor voice quality, you're joking right?

[Unspoken Demise]

Poor voice quality, you're joking right?

No, not really, however to be fair, it may just be my area.

[casik]

Too bad that the voice quality of the iPhone isn't a very convincing arguement for most people to switch carriers/ phones. Maybe the new version will be better, but if "its a phone" is its only leg to stand on, most won't switch. I'd rather have my phone with great phone quality and an iPod Touch than a phone that can do both, with less quality when combined.

Very comedic indeed.

So a quick hypothetical:

They give the iPod Touch EVERY feature an iPhone can do, only any iPhone can naturally make calls.

You would abandon your old phone, pay 30$ more a month on your service, and get horrible voice quality, JUST because its a phone?

I PERSONALLY would get an iPod Touch, have no commitment or contract, and keep my current phone. You know, so I can actually hear what the other person is saying.

Hmmm

hmmm.... my iPhone has better voice call sound than my BB 8900 did... no problems here!

[thouts]

Actually it is a word:

usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose...

from... Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless)

Irregardless, it's still annoying...

And I will be so disappointed if the new iPhone isn't an improved design over the 3G glossy plastic :(

To quote Stewie Griffin: "Any person who uses the words "irregardless", "a-whole-nuther", "all-of-a-sudden" will be sent to a work camps."

End of argument.

[Gasu E.]

Actually it is a word:



Nah, it ain't.

[powers74]

The iPhone's current form seems pretty much spot on. I don't think anyone has a problem with how it looks or feels (other than the plasticness, but you're not going to get rid of that now, this is a mass market device).

All they can do is bump up internal specification of the hardware really, and that's all they need to do.


Not even a metal option? :(

And Project Charlie? WTH???

GPS would be nice too...

A Shuffle with a camera and GPS! Because life is random....

You could set the camera on "whenever" mode and it would snap off pictures at random intervals.

I love it. Shuffle jokes just never get old do they!?

[HLdan]

I lost my 2G iPod Touch and I'm not replacing it until the next version is released. I'm really hoping for a camera and GPS capabilities. The camera would add a very nice touch for people that want to send pictures through email since the iPod Touch has built in Wifi.
I don't know why many people are so concerned that the iPod Touch would trump sales of the iPhone if the iPod had all the same features accept the phone part? Why should anyone care? It's Apple's decision and concern. We are the customer, it just gives us more choice.
I plan on using new my iPod Touch as a Skype phone so I wouldn't be buying the iPhone anyway.

[resonator]

I have had numerous iPods and find myself using the iPod Touch more and more like an Internet device. A camera would be welcome in my opinion. At this point I can't afford the hefty monthly service charges of the iPhone and I do really like the iPod Touch. I think adding GPS to the iPod Touch would be even a better addition - would come in very handy in the car.

[michael.lauden]

My iphone has great voice quality.

as does mine, even on EDGE. same on 3G.

skype is great aswell (not that it has to do with carrier quality)

[MacFly123]

I can for sure see the Touch getting a camera but I don't know about the nano.

They are kind of running out of things to add to the nano though and putting a camera in one would sell TONS of them probably! :eek:

[Gasu E.]

Very comedic indeed.

So a quick hypothetical:

They give the iPod Touch EVERY feature an iPhone can do, only any iPhone can naturally make calls.

You would abandon your old phone, pay 30$ more a month on your service, and get horrible voice quality, JUST because its a phone?

I PERSONALLY would get an iPod Touch, have no commitment or contract, and keep my current phone. You know, so I can actually hear what the other person is saying.

Hmmm

Personally, I'm in the same boat. However, I can understand why many people would want to carry one gizmo instead of two-- and why others would prefer the alternative. In any case, it makes perfect sense that Apple would offer an iPod Touch both with and without a phone option (which is essentially what they are doing). The iPod is what is at the heart of Apple's consumer strategy-- the phone is just an add-on capability to cover the market. Think of it this way-- just as Microsoft's goal was once to "own the desktop", Apple's goal is to "own the pocket."

[sushi]

"Charlie don't surf!"
Nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning! :)

I have had numerous iPods and find myself using the iPod Touch more and more like an Internet device. A camera would be welcome in my opinion. At this point I can't afford the hefty monthly service charges of the iPhone and I do really like the iPod Touch. I think adding GPS to the iPod Touch would be even a better addition - would come in very handy in the car.
The App Store is a huge success. Apps run on both the iPhone and touch.

Maybe we will see the iPod touch with it's feature set. Then the iPhone with the addition of the phone part.

[wavelayer]

If the touch got photo and video capabilities with the option to upload to YouTube or a server, this would be incredible. Especially if there is some basic editing software built in, it would be revolutionary to home video. The touch rocks already, this would make it SO much better.

[MikeDTyke]

Poor voice quality. GPS systems with much more depth are not that expensive anymore. Not in my room.

Stop spreading FUD, there`s nothing wrong with the voice quality of the iPhone. If you`ve got a problem then it`s either with your provider or where you are trying to make a call from.

GPS with more depth, what are you whittering on about? If you mean features you are just nit picking as the iPhone does just about as well as any other `phone` in the GPS dept, with the exception of turn by turn which you should know well by now will be fixed shortly.

Gee, when will people get something real to whine about in this forum?

[Goona]

No, not really, however to be fair, it may just be my area.

I'm using the iphone on Fido, no such issues.

[freddiecable]

camera on the nano undermines this rumour. if it's not meant to be camera on the iphone nano.

:apple: really has to diversify...only have one 3.5" is not enough. in europe and asia we are used to smaller cell phones. apple should be able to make a 3" iphone nano usable - especially for people with small fingers - like myself.

[Unspoken Demise]

Personally, I'm in the same boat. However, I can understand why many people would want to carry one gizmo instead of two-- and why others would prefer the alternative. In any case, it makes perfect sense that Apple would offer an iPod Touch both with and without a phone option (which is essentially what they are doing). The iPod is what is at the heart of Apple's consumer strategy-- the phone is just an add-on capability to cover the market. Think of it this way-- just as Microsoft's goal was once to "own the desktop", Apple's goal is to "own the pocket."

Thats a really good way to put it.
I dont have a problem have 2 devices on me, as long as they both EXCEL at what it is that they are setting out to do. I would rather have an exceptional phone and an exceptional media player rather than a mediocre all in one device.

I was IN LOVE with my iPhone's iPod component, but the voice quality and 3g signal strength irked the hell out of me. I returned it within the 30 day period because I am hoping that the new iPhone this summer fixes these issues. If not, I'll get an iPod Touch and use my upgrade elsewhere.

[DELLsFan]

I will be so annoyed if the touch gets a camera... lol.

Although, then, those iPod's would FLY off the shelves.

Are we buying the iPhone just because it has a camera or are there more important reasons to own one?

Are we buying the iPod because it has a camera or are there more important reasons to own one of these?

The camera isn't what makes the iPod or iPhone. It's nice to have on either, but if I want to take good pictures, I'll use a good camera. If I want to take great or professional pictures, I'll have invested in some lenses and a really great camera. Apple's iPhone and iPod camera will (for me) always be for those spontaneous or quick shots.

:apple:

[Unspoken Demise]

Stop spreading FUD, there`s nothing wrong with the voice quality of the iPhone. If you`ve got a problem then it`s either with your provider or where you are trying to make a call from.

GPS with more depth, what are you whittering on about? If you mean features you are just nit picking as the iPhone does just about as well as any other `phone` in the GPS dept, with the exception of turn by turn which you should know well by now will be fixed shortly.

Gee, when will people get something real to whine about in this forum?

Wow.
One: I PERSONALLY don't like the voice quality for MY area. Read my other posts.

Two: Like a GPS for your CAR. You know, one that can actually SPEAK to you. (Yes, I am aware this should be coming with 3.0)

Three: If the new iPhone this summer has better voice quality for ME, with some better features that tailor to MY needs, I'll get it.

[Gasu E.]

And Project Charlie? WTH???

"Project Charlie" is the code for products going on close-out; once you buy them, you can "never return (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VMSGrY-IlU)" them.

[NightFox]

Here's what you do. Go to millenicom.com and get yourself a 3G USB
modem and their monthly data plan at $59.95 a month with no data caps, no taxes, no contract, and no cancellation fee. Then get a portable router and use your Touch and all of your other wireless devices on that for one monthly price. No I don't work for Millenicom and haven't done this yet but I'm thinking seriously about it. Put the 3G modem/router in the car, let the kids surf the net, and let my Touch work on 3G from anywhere.

...or from anywhere near your car. So rather than carry one device when I go out anywhere, I have to have my iPod Touch*, my mobile router and my vanilla mobile phone (which I'm also either paying a contract for or PAYG for my usage)? How convenient.

Convergence = a good thing, that I don't mind paying a bit for, especially after years of carrying around a PDA and a mobile.

OK, I accept that my O2 contract is better value than your AT&T one at £35/month for unlimited data + 600 mins talk time, but come on now.

*see everyone, it is possible to type it in full without wearing out your keyboard or fingers.

[DS Flyer]

Would anyone else care if their iphone was thicker? I'd like to see a bigger battery, but I'm like that with all cell phones.

[UniPro]

I was really hoping for some kind of design refresh, I understand why they are not doing one but still, I'm tired of the look of my 3g already. LOL Design is kind of a big deal to me. Oh well I am still hoping for a front facing camera but I'm not holding my breath.

[Unspoken Demise]

Would anyone else care if their iphone was thicker? I'd like to see a bigger battery, but I'm like that with all cell phones.

I'm with you 100%. I would take a little thinker iPhone if it gave me 2-3 more hours of regular usage. (I'm being realistic)

[Sambo110]

In my opinion the Touch needs at least a mic, now that more and more apps are using it. And a camera would be good, but not as important ATM, but it might be by the time the next generation is out.

[TheCheapGeek]

People keep mentioning the dock connector and OS 3.0. Just any old dev can't make something that works with the dock connector. In order to use it the device HAS TO go through the "Made For iPod" program and the app is tied to that device. So a generic gamepad won't work (under the current rules) because the pad needs to (a) be "Made For iPod" and (b) have a specific app tied to it. I don't know if Verizon would go through the trouble of the investment in putting together an iPod Touch dock connector device to allow 3G data on the iPod. And since it would have to work WITH AN APP, once you quit that app you lose the connectivity, so you can't run your other network-centric apps while using the Verizon "connection" app. Worthless. I know a lot of people are excited about dock connector being open, but it's not as open as people think.

You are correct but what i suspect will happen is for instance on a game pad. A hardware developer will create a game pad and develop the correct api's for developers to use this piece of hardware with their app. To me its just like releasing drivers for the iphone specific hardware. The dev will write it and instruct other app devs on how to implement it into their apps.

[nfl46]

I mean, seriously, should I even get the new iPhone. It seems like the Touch is going to have everything the iPhone has. Come on Apple, don't make the two of them too similar. It seems like the only thing thats going to separate them is the phone. :rolleyes: Well, I guess I may as well gone ahead and get my Blackberry Bold and one of the new Touch in September.

[Unspoken Demise]

I mean, seriously, should I even get the new iPhone. It seems like the Touch is going to have everything the iPhone has. Come on Apple, don't make the two of them too similar. It seems like the only thing thats going to separate them is the phone. :rolleyes: Well, I guess I may as well gone ahead and get my Blackberry Bold and one of the new Touch in September.

Ive said that since the 1st post. Watch out. People don't take kindly to someone thinking from a big business stand point for once. But wait! Its also from a consumer stand point! Do you really want people asking you if your iPhone is an iPod Touch? They hypotheticaly will look the same and do the same things. <sarc> I mean sure, I'd want to save my money, get an iPhone, and have it be mistaken for the red-headed step child. </sarc>

[cmichaelb]

In my opinion the Touch needs at least a mic, now that more and more apps are using it. And a camera would be good, but not as important ATM, but it might be by the time the next generation is out.

You can just use the Apple buds with mic and remote, I'd rather see a camera as that is harder to add to an existing device.

[carfac]

Not trying to be a jerk but i'm a grammar nazi, so please put up with me. :o

Well then shouldn't you capitalize "Nazi"?

[t0mat0]

If Project Charlie has come in through to Best Buy, and it's iPhones (probably the first they heard about it) - has anything come through the inventory system for O2?
Anyone got contacts in O2 stores to check it out?

[xhambonex]

Ive said that since the 1st post. Watch out. People don't take kindly to someone thinking from a big business stand point for once. But wait! Its also from a consumer stand point! Do you really want people asking you if your iPhone is an iPod Touch? They hypotheticaly will look the same and do the same things. <sarc> I mean sure, I'd want to save my money, get an iPhone, and have it be mistaken for the red-headed step child. </sarc>

Well if you are worried that someone will call your iPhone and iPod touch, the camera doesn't make a huge difference. The basic form factor of the two make them look enough alike to have people make the mistake. And its also more likely that someone calls my iPod touch and iPhone than the other way around.

The big separation point is and always has been the phone part. I'm pretty sure Apple's big business stand is doing just fine considering the 20% marketshare the iPhone captured and the millions of iPod touch units. Something tells me they know what they are doing.

[Coroe]

I'll make this plain and simple:

The iPhone in its current shape ist just too FAT.

Sure, the awesomeness of the iPod touch is not to be reached within the next five years, but at least a make it a little bit thinner.

[Unspoken Demise]

I'll make this plain and simple:

The iPhone in its current shape ist just too FAT.

Sure, the awesomeness of the iPod touch is not to be reached within the next five years, but at least a make it a little bit thinner.

I think its fine the way it is. I'd let it be even bigger if it meant better hardware or battery life.
Unless of course you were being sarcastic.

Well if you are worried that someone will call your iPhone and iPod touch, the camera doesn't make a huge difference. The basic form factor of the two make them look enough alike to have people make the mistake. And its also more likely that someone calls my iPod touch and iPhone than the other way around.

The big separation point is and always has been the phone part. I'm pretty sure Apple's big business stand is doing just fine considering the 20% marketshare the iPhone captured and the millions of iPod touch units. Something tells me they know what they are doing.

Not to the AVERAGE consumer. You and I know, sure, but Joe Somebody won't know the difference.

And yes, I have faith that Apple knows what it's doing. I'm just giving a different perspective. After all people, this is still just a RUMOR.

[AtlasBoy]

Actually, while being a non-standard word, and a double-negative of sorts, it simply means "not without regard" or anyways or in spite of. Besides, horrible words like ain't and creatures of ebonics :( seeped into vernacular despite the watchful eye of grammar-mongers like yourself.

P.S. I tend to agree with you and do not approve the use of stupid words.


Let's elevate the English language to the level it used to be. We've dropped who knows how many levels since Edwardian times.

Maybe you guys should start a new thread on the english language and stay in topic here.

[smileyborg]

If the design of the iPhone will remain the same, please please PLEASE give us a carbon fiber back! Then all the antennas back there will be happy as well.

I would bet that the next iPhone will be released around late June or so, and then the iPod touch will be released around September...this is how they have done it in previously, so it would make sense.

Most importantly, I'm really hoping that they jump to a maximum of 64GB internal storage on the iPhone (instead of the "next step" of 32GB per chip), as it has been such a long time since they've introduced any storage increases...so by now, they should be able to skip a "step" and go straight from 16GB to 64GB per chip. Plus, that would mean a 128GB iPod touch! Pure awesomeness. [Heck, maybe that would lead the iPod Classic to be re-released in a solid state version??]

[iMacoo7]

Now, remember those rumors about 3.2 MP and 5 MP cameras?

How about the iPhone gets the 5 MP and the iPod Touches get the 3.2 (now in June or maybe later in September)?

Screw those Chinese rumors a few days ago and at the moment I don't think that the nano really needs a camera.

Now this same theory was mentioned in the thread when the rumors about 3.2/5 MP had arose. I am with you on this theory. I believe the 3.2 will go into the touch and the 5 will go in the iphone.

Since we're only one year into our iPhone 3Gs, there's probably very little motivation for me to try to do an early upgrade.

Digital compass? Eh, fun but not earth-shattering.

FM radio/transmitter? Would be nice, but there are many apps that stream FM stations, or just other media in general, and as for the transmitter, I've got Bluetooth with A2DP, so it's working out well even in the car with my Motorola T505.

Higher megapixel camera? Nice, but again, is it worth the early upgrade costs and efforts?

More capacity? 32GB is nice, but I have a hard time filling up 16GB as it is, even with a bunch of movies. It's also very time consuming to watch it sync up that much stuff.

More battery life? I'm speculating on this one, but I'm hearing the next-gen iPhone will retain the same shape, and I just bought a mophie Juice Air Pack, so I'll be OK still.

Video recording? If this was only in the next-gen iPhone, it's a slight possibility. I've lived without it for two years, and I've dealt with workarounds such as my own trusty digital camera.

Front-facing camera? We haven't heard anything on this front, but if there's any indication we could have videoconferencing via iChat, Skype, or some other program in the App Store, I would upgrade both me and my wife the same week.
There has been allot of speculation about the iChat being presented in the iPhone. That gripe about the lack of iChat came about when the first iphone and the 3G iphone came out, so now we have a new model on the horizon, with all of the features that customers have complained about since the 1st gen iphone.
Is it me or does anyone else find it odd that ATT is now boosting its network to 7.2 and will have it completely up and running before the launch of the next iphone.
On the current network speed a new iphone with iChat would not be able to handle the traffic and it would make the network come to a crawl, so the network is getting a good little boost.
The way i see it , is that only the new iphones will have the capabilities of full video chat, although the 1/2nd Gen iphones will be able to use the ichat program they will not be able to stream a video chat.
That being said , the network will not get bogged down as much but will get a good dose of creeping

[Unspoken Demise]

If the design of the iPhone will remain the same, please please PLEASE give us a carbon fiber back! Then all the antennas back there will be happy as well.

I would bet that the next iPhone will be released around late June or so, and then the iPod touch will be released around September...this is how they have done it in previously, so it would make sense.

Most importantly, I'm really hoping that they jump to a maximum of 64GB internal storage on the iPhone (instead of the "next step" of 32GB per chip), as it has been such a long time since they've introduced any storage increases...so by now, they should be able to skip a "step" and go straight from 16GB to 64GB per chip. Plus, that would mean a 128GB iPod touch! Pure awesomeness. [Heck, maybe that would lead the iPod Classic to be re-released in a solid state version??]

Woah! I haven't heard many people wanting a 64GB internal storage on their iPhone. Sure, it would be great, but what would you do with all that storage? :eek: Woah.

Also, good idea for the carbon fiber backing. It would be much more scratch resistant. I wonder what that would do to the cost of production though. Also, what would that mean on the back end for the consumer?

[sg.hill]

Yeah, you're thinking like AT&T. But they don't have any say in this.

I don't think Apple really cares if you buy an iPhone or an iPod, as long as you pick one of the two.

I thought Apple was still collecting monthly revenue on the iPhone. If that is true, then Apple would much prefer you bought the iPhone. The trouble with comparing the iPhone and iPod Touch is that they don't compete for most of their customers. If you're in the market for a smartphone, you're likely after the omnipresent data connection; certainly not a camera. To this end, feel free to add everything but the phone/EDGE/3G connection to the Touch and you won't lose my smartphone subscription

[smileyborg]

Woah! I haven't heard many people wanting a 64GB internal storage on their iPhone. Sure, it would be great, but what would you do with all that storage? :eek: Woah.

Also, good idea for the carbon fiber backing. It would be much more scratch resistant. I wonder what that would do to the cost of production though. Also, what would that mean on the back end for the consumer?

My MP3 library is 32GB. My Lossless library is even larger (ALAC), at 72GB and steadily increasing. I'd like to fit most of it on my iPhone, and have room for a couple gigs of photos/videos and of course plenty of apps.

[nextdimension]

Apple should add the camera. Just look at the app store and see how the talented creative programmers have used the camera in novel ways (pseudo lightmeters, distance rangefinding, optical data transfer/barcode reading, color analysis, etc).

Many of the apps I've bought for my iPod has support for a camera. There are also dozens of apps that I'm not buying because the iPod has no camera. I think the cost of adding the camera is easily offset by camera-savvy app purchases.

I'm sure it will definately make programmers happy.

[jrichard012]

Aside from the monthly cost factor, I have never bought into the idea of carrying a Touch and a phone. Why go around with two gizmos when one will do? The iPhone, in my view, is the most significant piece of technology to grace consumers. Nothing else can "touch" it.

[xhambonex]

Not to the AVERAGE consumer. You and I know, sure, but Joe Somebody won't know the difference.

And yes, I have faith that Apple knows what it's doing. I'm just giving a different perspective. After all people, this is still just a RUMOR.

Well my perspective is just that you shouldn't care if people think your iPhone is an iPod touch. I doubt someone, even Joe Something, will ask you if that iPod touch look alike you are holding to your ear is in fact an iPod.

There has been no harm in making the two units very similar so far. And at first most people thought one would drive sales away from the other, but the numbers have clearly shown that again, we were wrong and both have sold unbelievably well.

[Sambo110]

My MP3 library is 32GB. My Lossless library is even larger (ALAC), at 72GB and steadily increasing. I'd like to fit most of it on my iPhone, and have room for a couple gigs of photos/videos and of course plenty of apps.

That's ridiculous. Surely you don't listen to all that music.

[Unspoken Demise]

Well my perspective is just that you shouldn't care if people think your iPhone is an iPod touch. I doubt someone, even Joe Something, will ask you if that iPod touch look alike you are holding to your ear is in fact an iPod.

There has been no harm in making the two units very similar so far. And at first most people thought one would drive sales away from the other, but the numbers have clearly shown that again, we were wrong and both have sold unbelievably well.

Make them too similiar and you could drive people away from buying both gadgets. If I were financially inclined, I wouldnt mind having both and carrying both. I could have my Touch for my music (duh) and keep my memory on my phone for processing power. The processing power decreases as you add more and more things to your iPhone.

[smileyborg]

That's ridiculous. Surely you don't listen to all that music.

Not true. While much of it is full albums, I do listen to at least 70-75% of what is in my library. It's great to have a disc-perfect lossless digital collection of my CDs, and it would be nice not to have to pick and choose what makes the cut onto my iPod/iPhone and what doesn't.

Do realize, that is why Apple sells the iPod classic...to fit all of your music (like me in this case)...it's just that I prefer solid state players and the other capabilities of the iPhone/iPod touch are fantastic and have me hooked.

[reckless2k2]

I personally think the further device consolidation is brilliant and I find myself wondering why they didn't add a camera to the Touch before now as well. It only adds a greater appeal to the device that I don't think detracts from iPhone sales enough to be substantial. If you're going to get an iPhone, you're going to get an iPhone. The same is true for the Touch. I have 2 iPhones in my house and I still want a Touch. Gotta love their marketing.

[TraceyS/FL]

I'd say this is a hint towards the death of the click-wheel. Nano to go touchscreen? Current version shape would be almost wide screen ratio.
Death of the click wheel.... i have a dead one on my 30gb Video - guess it's getting me ready? LOL!

Aside from the monthly cost factor, I have never bought into the idea of carrying a Touch and a phone. Why go around with two gizmos when one will do? The iPhone, in my view, is the most significant piece of technology to grace consumers. Nothing else can "touch" it.

Why two??

Because 2 gizmos is possibly loads cheaper.

Because you might have crappy AT&T Service where you live and would still need another phone (friend got an iPhone thru her job - but it doesn't work at her house, so she needs to keep her Verizon phone).

Because you don't want to lock into a contract for $70 a month for 2 years.

Because you'd have to have a boatload of minutes because everyone you call is currently "free" on Verizon with mobile to mobile.

And another other of reasons.....

I'd prefer one device - but give me a choice of carriers and better pricing (i have no data plan on my current smart phone).

[Unspoken Demise]

I like the way TraceyS/FL thinks.

[xhambonex]

Make them too similiar and you could drive people away from buying both gadgets. If I were financially inclined, I wouldnt mind having both and carrying both. I could have my Touch for my music (duh) and keep my memory on my phone for processing power. The processing power decreases as you add more and more things to your iPhone.

I don't see anyone ever taking that position. All I see happening is, oh well I'll just get an iPod touch because its like an iPhone. But they will still be selling iPod touch units so that wouldn't really matter. In a perfect world sure I'd have all sorts of nice gadgets, but in this world, I just have an iPod touch. When I get some money and a new contract, I'll look into an iPhone and some other iPod. I don't need 1 of each.

[smileyborg]

Death of the click wheel.... i have a dead one on my 30gb Video - guess it's getting me ready? LOL!



Why two??

Because 2 gizmos is possibly loads cheaper.

Because you might have crappy AT&T Service where you live and would still need another phone (friend got an iPhone thru her job - but it doesn't work at her house, so she needs to keep her Verizon phone).

Because you don't want to lock into a contract for $70 a month for 2 years.

Because you'd have to have a boatload of minutes because everyone you call is currently "free" on Verizon with mobile to mobile.

And another other of reasons.....

I'd prefer one device - but give me a choice of carriers and better pricing (i have no data plan on my current smart phone).

Not that I like carrying around an iPod touch with my Verizon clamshell phone...but one nice thing is that when I inevitably drain the iPod touch's battery while playing a game or surfing the web, I still have a working cell phone. I'd have to start being more battery-conscious with only one device.

[Sambo110]

Not true. While much of it is full albums, I do listen to at least 70-75% of what is in my library. It's great to have a disc-perfect lossless digital collection of my CDs, and it would be nice not to have to pick and choose what makes the cut onto my iPod/iPhone and what doesn't.

Do realize, that is why Apple sells the iPod classic...to fit all of your music (like me in this case)...it's just that I prefer solid state players and the other capabilities of the iPhone/iPod touch are fantastic and have me hooked.

How many hours do you have? I only have 463 megs of music, but I have 6.6 hours. 10-20 hours would be enough, do you listen to music a lot on your Touch?

[Unspoken Demise]

I don't see anyone ever taking that position. All I see happening is, oh well I'll just get an iPod touch because its like an iPhone. But they will still be selling iPod touch units so that wouldn't really matter. In a perfect world sure I'd have all sorts of nice gadgets, but in this world, I just have an iPod touch. When I get some money and a new contract, I'll look into an iPhone and some other iPod. I don't need 1 of each.

Well theres a first time for everything. I'd rather have my iPhone for CALLING. I dont want it dying because I played a few games all day and when I get in a car accident on my way home I cant make a call because my battery died half way through my day. I dont care if i play games on my Touch and it dies. I dont need it in emergencies.

[smileyborg]

How many hours do you have? I only have 463 megs of music, but I have 6.6 hours. 10-20 hours would be enough, do you listen to music a lot on your Touch?

Yeah, I listen to music off it every day, I'd say on average 1-2 hours per day. Plus another 3-4 hours per day off my MacBook at home.

iTunes Lossless: 2485 songs, 7.6 days, 72.75 GB
iTunes MP3 (mostly LAME V0): 4551 songs, 13.2 days, 31.77 GB

[W1LLk]

Maybe you guys should start a new thread on the english language and stay in topic here.

Maybe you should just realize that language is a typical side step in many threads and stay on topic yourself, newbie. :rolleyes:

--

As far as the camera/iPod concept, this is only a good idea IMO if the camera isn't simply a camera phone quality camera. otherwise it's really just a sad iPhone that can't make calls. So unless they are talking about an Apple designed, iPod styled camera with a decent MP rating and CMOS, I'm not really interested. It would be easier to duct tape a shuffle to a pocket Nikon.

[efengle]

If the new iPhone is exactly like the 3G iPhone, then why speculated (somewhat confirmed by OS 3.0 builds) that the new one is iPhone 2,1?

Just a thought and sorry if this was mentioned already

[Sambo110]

Yeah, I listen to music off it every day, I'd say on average 1-2 hours per day. Plus another 3-4 hours per day off my MacBook at home.

iTunes Lossless: 2485 songs, 7.6 days, 72.75 GB
iTunes MP3 (mostly LAME V0): 4551 songs, 13.2 days, 31.77 GB

But do you really need 2 weeks worth of music on your iPod? (Is it 20 days all up, if it is then woah, nearly 3 weeks). You listen to 1-2 hours per day, so let's say 1 and a half. Around 10-11 hours a week, that's half a day a week. Putting just 2-3 days worth of music would be enough to listen for around 2-3 weeks without listening to songs twice, just a suggestion.

[smileyborg]

But do you really need 2 weeks worth of music on your iPod? (Is it 20 days all up, if it is then woah, nearly 3 weeks). You listen to 1-2 hours per day, so let's say 1 and a half. Around 10-11 hours a week, that's half a day a week. Putting just 2-3 days worth of music would be enough to listen for around 2-3 weeks without listening to songs twice, just a suggestion.

Right...it's more of a convenience thing. I don't enjoy having to pick and choose stuff, because who knows what I will suddenly feel like listening to at some point later in the day or week or whatever.

Moreover, I do some professional audio work and often need to find house music that "fits" the event I'm running...so I need to have a really diverse collection at my fingertips, ready to go.

[newConvert]

If the design of the iPhone will remain the same, please please PLEASE give us a carbon fiber back! Then all the antennas back there will be happy as well.

I would bet that the next iPhone will be released around late June or so, and then the iPod touch will be released around September...this is how they have done it in previously, so it would make sense.

Most importantly, I'm really hoping that they jump to a maximum of 64GB internal storage on the iPhone (instead of the "next step" of 32GB per chip), as it has been such a long time since they've introduced any storage increases...so by now, they should be able to skip a "step" and go straight from 16GB to 64GB per chip. Plus, that would mean a 128GB iPod touch! Pure awesomeness. [Heck, maybe that would lead the iPod Classic to be re-released in a solid state version??]


I dont think they are making single 64gig chips.. I thought the 32gigs were JUST coming out? Or am I wrong?

[dacreativeguy]

Ooooh. Sounds interesting. However, why would they add a camera to the iPod Touch. Yes, it would be nice, but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone, if your iPod Touch can do almost all the things an iPhone can do? It doesn't seem like a good move from a business stand point, but its great for consumers.

Apple originally introduced the Touch to be an ipod but I think they have found that it makes more sense to turn it into a phoneless iphone. For some people, ATT or monthly payments or whatever are a dealbreaker on the iphone. Apple still wants their business in the App Store, so it makes sense to sell an iPod that does everything the iPhone does, save for phone calls.

If Apple can solve the shaky camera problem of a handheld webcam, then I think mobile video chats could be pretty cool.

[puffnstuff]

Aside from the monthly cost factor, I have never bought into the idea of carrying a Touch and a phone. Why go around with two gizmos when one will do? The iPhone, in my view, is the most significant piece of technology to grace consumers. Nothing else can "touch" it.

I know this may sound crazy to you but not everyone is a heavy phone user to justify the cost that comes with the iPhone. For me I keep a pre-paid phone in the car in case of emergencies but other then that I do not use a phone at all.

People need to stop seeing the Touch as an iPhone without the phone function because I do believe that it is going to be pushed into another direction and have capabilities the iPhone doesn't

[dacreativeguy]

I dont think they are making single 64gig chips.. I thought the 32gigs were JUST coming out? Or am I wrong?

Correct. 32GB is the sweet spot right now, so I'd expect the next gen iPhone to be offered with a base of 16GB and top out at 32GB

[guzhogi]

But do you really need 2 weeks worth of music on your iPod? (Is it 20 days all up, if it is then woah, nearly 3 weeks). You listen to 1-2 hours per day, so let's say 1 and a half. Around 10-11 hours a week, that's half a day a week. Putting just 2-3 days worth of music would be enough to listen for around 2-3 weeks without listening to songs twice, just a suggestion.

Probably so they can have access to each & every song they have. Some people may want to listen to a specific song but hen remember "Wait! I don't have that song on my iPod/iPhone. Darn!"

[smileyborg]

Correct. 32GB is the sweet spot right now, so I'd expect the next gen iPhone to be offered with a base of 16GB and top out at 32GB

I saw news stories like this over a year and a half ago: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13442

You're telling me they haven't been able to break the 32GB barrier for over a year now? I don't believe it.

EDIT: Maybe the memory development industry moves slowly...considering this just came out a couple days ago: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-movinand-32gb-flash-memory,7782.html

Crap...I'd still gladly pay more to have a slightly thicker iPhone that had two 32GB chips in it.

[WLS]

Are you kidding me? there is no way the screen could be a 6 inch diagonal. The device would be almost four times as big! I dunno what kinda pockets you have.... not to mention how rediculous we would all look holding that up to our ears...
Well the exact size can vary just so long as it still fits in a shirt pocket. My current ipod touch leaves plenty of room for growth - about an inch all around.
but why would you want to hold your ipod touch to your ear? That's what headphones are for.

[vipergts2207]

People need to stop seeing the Touch as an iPhone without the phone function because I do believe that it is going to be pushed into another direction and have capabilities the iPhone doesn't

Why do you say that? I don't see Apple leaving their flagship portable device in the dust.

[Virgil-TB2]

Actually it is a word:

usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose...

from... Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless) ...No offence, but Webster's is not a Dictionary that you can use to prove something "is a word."

When someone says such and such "is not a word" they mean "is not an English word" most of the time. The only dictionaries that can tell you what words are English words, are English dictionaries.

Webster's is the dictionary of the American dialect and the variations of English that arise in the USA. It is not a dictionary of English or the English language.

I'm not trying to be mean here, (or anti-American) but when someone says "that's not a (English) word" they usually mean that it's some recent variation that some people use but not an official word. Webster's is basically a catalogue of the American variants of English, so unfortunately, it doesn't count.

[casik]

Well the exact size can vary just so long as it still fits in a shirt pocket. My current ipod touch leaves plenty of room for growth - about an inch all around.
but why would you want to hold your ipod touch to your ear? That's what headphones are for.

Well in accordance to the holding up to the ear, I thought we were talking about the iPhone, so I take that one back.

As for the dimensions of the unit, the screen alone would need to be just over 3 inches wide and 5 inches tall to achieve a 6inch screen diagonal... if i have done my math right (since i don't have a ruler) the current screen is about 1.85 inches wide by 3 inches tall.... thats a big increase still.

Not to mention the pain it would be on the App store to have developers remake apps since I don't think the screen res on the 6inch would be the same as the screen res on the 3.5inch.

[Shasterball]

All they can do is bump up internal specification of the hardware really, and that's all they need to do.

Ya. I would really like a speed boost. A few apps that are available through the store could use a little more horsepower. As far as design goes, I'm ok with no change. The beauty of the full touch screen is that they can really modify how the phone "looks" and works by changing the software and keeping the same exterior...

[TimTheEnchanter]

Ooooh. Sounds interesting. ...but you dont want to give to many similarities between the iPhone and iPod Touch. Then what would be the incentive to get an iPhone....

The iPod touch won't have a firewire port, but the iPhone will. ;) :D

[smileyborg]

Ya. I would really like a speed boost. A few apps that are available through the store could use a little more horsepower. As far as design goes, I'm ok with no change. The beauty of the full touch screen is that they can really modify how the phone "looks" and works by changing the software and keeping the same exterior...

It would be cool to see the front of the iPhone/iPod touch that is not the screen shrink...ie device gets a bit shorter, so the same size screen takes up more of a percentage of the front face.

[GQB]

Are you kidding me? there is no way the screen could be a 6 inch diagonal. The device would be almost four times as big! I dunno what kinda pockets you have.... not to mention how rediculous we would all look holding that up to our ears...

Not everyone relies on pockets... like sightly more than half the population + anyone who uses a tote.

[GQB]

Very comedic indeed.

So a quick hypothetical:

They give the iPod Touch EVERY feature an iPhone can do, only any iPhone can naturally make calls.

You would abandon your old phone, pay 30$ more a month on your service, and get horrible voice quality, JUST because its a phone?

I PERSONALLY would get an iPod Touch, have no commitment or contract, and keep my current phone. You know, so I can actually hear what the other person is saying.

Hmmm

Well, voice AND 3G data (always connected.)
I wouldn't turn up my nose at a free (including service) iPhone, but out of pocket, I don't need to spend 1.5 grand/year because I can't wait for a hotspot to get data.
touch is fine with me.

[Unspoken Demise]

Well, voice AND 3G data (always connected.)
I wouldn't turn up my nose at a free (including service) iPhone, but out of pocket, I don't need to spend 1.5 grand/year because I can't wait for a hotspot to get data.
touch is fine with me.

Exactly my point.

[ivladster]

Makes sense. Apple will still call the iPhone, 3G. This way they don't have to change anything to make it look different, just the hardware inside and software. I hope though they would add at least one more color, black and white is boring now. =)

I don't think camera on the Nano would hurt, it will be cool feature, now iPod Touch is getting very very close to being iPhone. Camera was one of the biggest differentiators from iPhone. Weird move.

[bankshot]

Agree with those who say GPS would be an even better addition to the iPod Touch. And work with Garmin or one of those companies to make an app for turn-by-turn directions that functions just like their own devices. Except it'll be even more seamless, fading out the music when directions are spoken, and then fading it back in.

This is such a no-brainer, I'm still surprised Apple didn't get it done last year! :rolleyes:

[peepboon]

camera would be a nice feature

[t0mat0]

Makes sense. Apple will still call the iPhone, 3G. This way they don't have to change anything to make it look different, just the hardware inside and software. I hope though they would add at least one more color, black and white is boring now. =)

I don't think camera on the Nano would hurt, it will be cool feature, now iPod Touch is getting very very close to being iPhone. Camera was one of the biggest differentiators from iPhone. Weird move.

I agree - I think they could get away with calling it the iPhone 3G. Will they keep the current model though?

16GB old model, 16GB new model, and 32GB model in new colors perhaps? The mockups of nanochromatic look plausible. Hasn't there been some modded iPhones to be non-monochromatic?

[viperguy]

If they put a camera on the ipod touch I might get one.
This is sounding cool! let's see if more rumors appear on this till September

[GQB]

Right...it's more of a convenience thing. I don't enjoy having to pick and choose stuff, because who knows what I will suddenly feel like listening to at some point later in the day or week or whatever.

Moreover, I do some professional audio work and often need to find house music that "fits" the event I'm running...so I need to have a really diverse collection at my fingertips, ready to go.

Congratulations on displaying outstanding patience with the silliest string of questions I've long seen.
The HORROR of you actually wanting more than a few hours of hi rez music on your iPod. Imagine!

:)

[peepboon]

Nice addition if u ask me

[Jimmy James]

I'm holding out for an ipod touch that has gps (assuming the ability to use preloaded maps).

OR

An iphone that MY carrier will sell at full retail price and let me use with my existing plan. It's currently only available at the contract price and there is an "iphone surcharge" to purchase it. No thanks, I already have the ultimate plan and I'm not messing with it.

[Chupa Chupa]

Putting a camera in a nano is insane. Maybe Apple thinks everyone working out in gyms uses the Shuffle but there are plenty that use nanos. Just about every gym I've been to in the past few years has an explicit ban on cameras. You see where I'm going. Apple will kill a good segment of the nano market if they build in a camera because they'll be prohibited.

[healthyfatboy]

Well, voice AND 3G data (always connected.)
I wouldn't turn up my nose at a free (including service) iPhone, but out of pocket, I don't need to spend 1.5 grand/year because I can't wait for a hotspot to get data.
touch is fine with me.

I don't know where you got 1.5 grand a year. Sure, if you talk a whole lot on your phone, then it might be that much to get a plan with enough minutes for the iPhone. If you don't have a cell phone plan right now, then it means you probably won't be talking much if you get an iPhone either so you could get by spending $70 a month which only comes out to being $840 a year, not the nearly double $1500. If you already have a basic phone plan and only pay $40 a month, that comes out to $480 a year so the difference really is $360, which is how much the data plan is. With the rumored price of the data plan going to $20 a month, that's really only $240 a year extra you would be paying so spending $1500 a year doesn't make sense if you already have a phone.

[GC Jr]

About time real iPhone rumors have been coming out. There has been exciting 3.0 stuff but it's good to hear changes in the iPod line. Just a little dissapointed in apple's choice in sticking to the same shape/material for the back; don't mind the shape, but I desire an aluminum backing in the 3G's current shape though.

[BlizzardBomb]

Surely for a company where every gram and millimetre matters, adding a camera to the nano would make little sense? I'd rather better battery life than a camera.

[WLS]

Well in accordance to the holding up to the ear, I thought we were talking about the iPhone, so I take that one back.

As for the dimensions of the unit, the screen alone would need to be just over 3 inches wide and 5 inches tall to achieve a 6inch screen diagonal... if i have done my math right (since i don't have a ruler) the current screen is about 1.85 inches wide by 3 inches tall.... thats a big increase still.

Not to mention the pain it would be on the App store to have developers remake apps since I don't think the screen res on the 6inch would be the same as the screen res on the 3.5inch.

Well that size would be about perfect IMO (3x5) Basically a fat ipod touch.
It would fit a shirt pocket just fine and I wouldn't care to have it in my front pockets cause I carry metal coins and keys there. Back pockets and I am going to sit on it. It would fit most any cargo pant just fine too.
You could just have slightly larger pixels or have side bars that could be programed with buttons or such. Not so hard to do.

The ipod Touch is the size it is because it was built with basically the same parts and form factor as the iphone which was a proven winner. I think the evidence is in that the ipod Touch is capable of standing on its own with its own feature set. Thus I think it should evolve towards an internet tablet more than a music player and to that end it needs a larger screen. Not a huge screen mind you but just a bit larger - a fat Touch as it were.

[Pika]

I think the back is going to be the shame shape except it's metallic:

http://www.iphonehacks.com/images/09-Feb/new_iphone_2.jpg

[hiimamac]

I do wonder how good the camera would be on the ipod touch?

Everyone must be dense here.

All the newer smart phones are said to stream video, flash, mepg, xvid, meanwhile, which is a shame as the iPhone will never live to its full potential.

Anything that takes away from iCrude rentals or Apple TV, e.g., video on the iPhone/iPod, will never make it to the iPhone.

What Apple will do to sidetrack questions like this is that they will release some crummy iVid iLife program that allows you to shoot video on your iPhone while you are camping in Rome with Geo Tagging. Oh boy, I can hardly wait for all the crummy demo's at WWDC, camping and oh yeah, super imposed backgrounds. Something that will be a novalty in no time flat when in fact, most users want VIDEO STREAMING and not iTunes rentals and APPLE TV.

The future is streaming video on devices, in other countries they have full TV on their phones.

Apple, once again, worrying about the .01 % of Apple TV users, will therefore not release the iDEVICE to stream video unless it's a rental.

They did the same thing with Macbook, fearing the PRO users (.1%) would use the MACBOOK instead of the PRO, Apple cripples the MACBOOK, removes FireWire, no dedicated GPU.

Yay, more useless one to one, I don't know PRO APP apple trainers but do know how to shoot a cheap iPhone video, iVid movie for iLife.

Ugggg.
:p

[NightFox]

I guess when the iPod Touch and Nano came out they were marketted as media players, but the success of the App Store has seen Apple now pushing the iPod Touch as a portable gaming platform, and maybe wants to push the Nano that way too. Adding cameras would help position them - certainly the Nano - competitively alongside the Nintendo DSi, albeit both have their USPs

[iceman1234]

What makes you think it is? There's at least a reasonable chance that it's a June thing.

Will the new itouch come out in june/july at wwdc??

[smg9779]

Ugh. The single most important improvemnet the iPod touch can get right now is 64gb of storage. Every other likely upgrade will be a severe let down. I cringed at the thought of a camera in iPod touch, I am really hoping the camera hardware does not take precious flash storage space inside that tiny case.

[Andrew K.]

I DON't WANT A CAMERA IN MY TOUCH!!! :mad:

[t0mat0]

Everyone must be dense here...

All the newer smart phones are said to stream video...
The future is streaming video on devices, in other countries they have full TV on their phones. ...
Ugggg.
:p

Can you elaborate on streaming video and give an example?
Just TV like Qualcomm's Media Flo? Or wireless transmision of video?
Or video recording and streaming upload, like (http://gizmodo.com/5100018/joost-video-streaming-iphone-app-makes-us-dream-of-hulu)Kyte and Qik (http://mashable.com/2008/06/12/qik-iphone-video-streaming/)?
Have a look at this patent by Apple - A docked iPhone able to wirelessly transmit video, controlled by an Apple remote.
“Media out interface”

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/05/iphone_tvvideo_streaming_idea.html
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/5/apple-media-out-interface.jpg

Would be interested to know about the lightning bolt and the iPhone on the right...

[bruinsrme]

I DON't WANT A CAMERA IN MY TOUCH!!! :mad:

then buy one now.

[sassenach74]

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I DON't WANT A CAMERA IN MY TOUCH!!! :mad:

Luckily for you there isn't one in yours.....duh

[bruinsrme]

I saw news stories like this over a year and a half ago: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13442

You're telling me they haven't been able to break the 32GB barrier for over a year now? I don't believe it.

EDIT: Maybe the memory development industry moves slowly...considering this just came out a couple days ago: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-movinand-32gb-flash-memory,7782.html

Crap...I'd still gladly pay more to have a slightly thicker iPhone that had two 32GB chips in it.

i think it has to do with the yields in the 45nm processes an below. in 6 months 32g will become common place and 64 will be the treat

[Dark Mr Vader]

I'm on the verge of buying a new MP3 player. I have an iPod 80GB. I want to buy the iPod Touch but for me the selling point would be size. The 32GB Touch out right now doesn't cut it for me. I'm hoping they'll announce a bigger size Touch anytime soon. The camera is very welcomed. There have been rumors of a touch screen Zune also so I'm hoping Apple announces the bigger Touch before I go out and buy the 120GB Zune.

[Perk]

Now there's a shocker, right there.
Nano's to get camera? Can't really buy that..

[Shiner]

I'm on the verge of buying a new MP3 player. I have an iPod 80GB. I want to buy the iPod Touch but for me the selling point would be size. The 32GB Touch out right now doesn't cut it for me. I'm hoping they'll announce a bigger size Touch anytime soon. The camera is very welcomed. There have been rumors of a touch screen Zune also so I'm hoping Apple announces the bigger Touch before I go out and buy the 120GB Zune.

I suggest you wait and see what is announced. I love my itouch but the new zune HD might be pretty nice.

[phocion]

Cameras in the iPod line would be an utter disaster for me, since cameras are not allowed at my workplace. It would force me to get another brand of MP3 player. Heck, the inclusion of the camera in all models of iPhone has been what's holding me back from getting one of those.

[Eric S.]

I don't want a camera in the Touch. All I want is longer battery life and more memory.

[Andrew K.]

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Luckily for you there isn't one in yours.....duh

Hahaha :D okay I meant my " Future " Touch

[kennycheng93]

I just want better GPS

[crees!]

Have a look at this patent by Apple - A docked iPhone able to wirelessly transmit video, controlled by an Apple remote.
“Media out interface”

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/05/iphone_tvvideo_streaming_idea.html
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/5/apple-media-out-interface.jpg

Would be interested to know about the lightning bolt and the iPhone on the right...

That would be the iPhone/iPod via WiFi answering the call coming in on the iPhone attached via hardwire.

Will the new itouch come out in june/july at wwdc??

I'd say iPhone at WWDC, iPod Touch in September/October.

[HLdan]

I DON't WANT A CAMERA IN MY TOUCH!!! :mad:

Jeez, calm down. TBH, I certainly hope that your wish doesn't come true, I would love a camera in my iPod Touch, I wouldn't mind if they put in a built in microphone so I can make Skype calls without using my headset.

[Andrew K.]

Jeez, calm down. TBH, I certainly hope that your wish doesn't come true, I would love a camera in my iPod Touch, I wouldn't mind if they put in a built in microphone so I can make Skype calls without using my headset.

:) It wouldn't be a biggie if it did get one, it might be cool, but you know how everyone whines about the quality of the iPhone Camera now :rolleyes:

[CaryMacGuy]

I can see the click wheel being a good zooming tool on the Nano.

[asphalt-proof]

I think that the idea of a video camera on an iPod or iPhone is in response to the success of Flip HD and the like. The Touch platform would be perfect for something like quick video. Right now, the cheap vid camera market is outselling the dedicated, more expensive video cameras and i think, if this rumor is true, that Apple sees an opportunity for yet another selling point for someone to upgrade to a new iPhone or iPod. I know i would love to have a quick and dirty vid camera while i"m at concerts.

[150hp]

I'm still hopin' for GPS.

[naco]

Project charlie actually makes sense as this will be the 3rd revision of iphone and ipod touch..

Bingo ;). Third major revision at least.

[fry3k]

I can't see adding GPS to an iPod Touch anytime in the near future.. GPS chips are still costly, and would put the retail price of the entry level Touch far above the subsidized price of the iPhone..
a camera, on the other hand, would be nice.

And to all those who wish for a metal backed new iPhone, NO! I don't want any worse reception than i already get.. If you put a metal back, you'll need a huge plastic section somewhere on it anyway for the 3g/wifi/gps signal to pass through!

[cgc]

An iPod Touch w/ camera would appeal to those who don't want an iPhone (someone asked earlier in thread). I don't have a cell phone but would love for a more capable iPod Touch. A camera isn't on my list but an iPod Tough w/ GPS is.

A Nano with a camera is a bad idea...let that one focus on music...

[archurban]

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why not? It is possible. I always welcome to new touch whatsoever. No doubt I will purchase new one. If it is true, I will love it.

[t0mat0]

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why not? It is possible. I always welcome to new touch whatsoever. No doubt I will purchase new one. If it is true, I will love it.

If the iPhone is getting all iPhonechromatic - will the Touch's get color versions too?

[Theaser]

Maybe we'll see the intro of the iPod touch nano/mini

This is worse than the time of iPhone Nano rumors.

[BrettFarve04]

I think if Apple incorporates a camera in the new iPod touch, the client base will sky rocket. For instance, I have a cell phone though my work which is free, so buying an iPhone for me would be useless. If a camera is implanted into the touch, people in the same situation as myself (or different situations) would eat up the camera touch.

It would also be nice if the new model(s) would include some sort of rubberized grip. it sucks trying to find a protective case that's 50+ dollars...and/or isn't the exact style, fit, or look you desire.

[MacAndy74]

I will be so annoyed if the touch gets a camera... lol.

Although, then, those iPod's would FLY off the shelves.

If the iPod Touch gains:
- Camera
- Autofocus
- >= 3 Mega Pixel sensor
- Bluetooth
I would buy it online the same day it's released.

If it also is released in those cool Chromatic colors, I'll take leave - fly to Syndey Australia to stand in line to buy mine on the first day. :cool:

[fabianjj]

When Apple released the iPhone I think they wanted it to be THE device that people carried around, including phone, media player, camera etc. Then they released the iPod touch that I think they only wanted to be a media player, but thought "hey now that it has wifi we can't just not give it the cool internet stuff."

Apple might be now be turning the iPod touch to a the new device that people always carry, giving it camera and such, If they are giving it a camera I wouldn't be very surprised if they gave it HQ video recording (I'm talking SVGA at least now) so it could replace a digital camera and a camcorder. Because most people don't just switch phones just like that because there's a new one, but a lot more people would buy themselves a new mp3 player if they think their current one is too old

[Sambo110]

The iPod is getting blue tooth in 3.0.

[SactoGuy18]

My "three-day wild guesses" right now:

iPod touch--will go to 3rd-generation iPhone shape but will have storage capacities of 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB.

iPod nano--looks almost exactly the same as current 4G model but will be slightly thicker to accommodate larger-capacity battery and a capacity upgrade to 32 GB maximum. This will likely be the final generation of iPods with the click wheel interface before the successor arrives in September 2010 with a true touch-screen interface derived the iPhone/iPod touch interface.

[crezo]

If the touches are getting cams then that is great news!! There was a rumor of apple ordering large numbers of 3 and 5 megapixel cams in here not long ago. If this rumor is true that could mean the touches would get three mp and the iPhone would get the 5 mp ... And if that's true plus an autofocus I will cry with happynes!! Or shoot my load ;)

The only reason I held off getting an iPhone for the first year was downto the lack of a decent cam, and since getting the 3g everytime I attempt to use the camera I am very much dissapointed at the results, this has been long long overdue and the biggest mistake by apple so far... Let's hope I'm right!

[doubleohseven]

I can already see iPhone sales dropping if the iPod touch gets a camera. Why spend, say, $1000-$2000 over two years when you can buy an iPod touch that can make calls (over Skype), take photos, have bluetooth capability (when iPhone OS 3.0 is out), and do pretty much everything else the iPhone can do?

[David The Scot]

An aluminum iphone made out of the same stuff as the new macbook would be so cool i would sell my house to buy one!

[Lesser Evets]

Camera and other features migrating downward to iPT is an eventuality. Some people were pooh-poohing the possibility of it ever happening, but come on.

The iPhone will keep getting better as the primary innovator and the iPT will get those features a couple years later.

And, there is still a GIANT reason to get a phone rather than an iPT--incoming calls and constant (relatively) connection to communication.

[hagjohn]

iPod with camera is a great idea

[iPaf]

For those of you that aren't fans of 9to5mac:

http://9to5mac.com/rainbow-iPhones

[orange42]

Maybe they won't change the shape and design... that doesn't exclude that Apple might change the material they use to make it!

Metal, I want mettaallll

How come so many people don't like the white/black plastic? I like the look and feel of it. I have white. And didn't they stop using metal so they get better service?

[pocketdoc]

Will all the new rumored features coming to the new iPhone FIT in the same form factor?

I was hoping that there would be a larger, higher res OLED screen in the new phone.

I am still not clear as to how a change in resolution would affect apps. Can current apps designed for 480 x 320 function on a new/higher res?

Any thoughts?

As to a metal back, aside from adding weight, will it not interfere with reception?

[t0mat0]

Will all the new rumored features coming to the new iPhone FIT in the same form factor?

I was hoping that there would be a larger, higher res OLED screen in the new phone.

I am still not clear as to how a change in resolution would affect apps. Can current apps designed for 480 x 320 function on a new/higher res?

Any thoughts?

As to a metal back, aside from adding weight, will it not interfere with reception?

Apple seem pretty good at making small products. e.g. in the new shuffle
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2009/tc20090410_507831_page_2.htm

The device contains a tiny lithium ion battery that costs $1.20, and that Rassweiler describes as "the smallest we've ever seen." And for a company that doesn't ignore the tiniest of details, the most mundane of components are the most advanced available. The device's so-called passive components—capacitors and resistors—are unusually small. Known by their numeric label 01005, which in electronics shorthand describes their dimensions in thousandths of an inch, they're about the size of a grain of salt and cost fractions of a penny each. But they're half the size of what had previously been considered the smallest device of their type, those labeled 0201.

It's just one of many ways that Apple continues to differentiate its products from the rest of the pack. "Until recently we didn't see passive components quite this small," Rassweiler says. "Here you see them working on the cutting edge, even on the passives." They also help save space inside.

The size per GB is decreasing - not sure if it's just halved, or more (if you check out the news on the recent Apple mass purchase of RAM you should be able to find out). If you just generally compare the EDGE iPhone to the iPhone 3G you can see they made decent space savings through the redesign. If they did go OLED, that might give them even more space.

As for other components - if they can go more towards a SoC design, that'd make more space.
For magnetometers- check out the relative sizes of the N97 (http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N97)'s.
GPS chip likely to get smaller.
Who knows, eh? iPhone 3G teardowns (http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/iphone3g/iphone3grepairguide.html) give (http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/iPhone-3G/600/2#s3181) a rough idea of how packed it is in there.

[Brien]

A camera? That's it? The new iPod touch better have:

- video recording
- GPS
- a built-in microphone and better speakers
- 802.11n and HSPA

I WILL not buy one until Apple meets my demands!
Just in case you didn't pick up on it, I'm being sarcastic.

I'd be surprised if they added a camera to the touch, but if they did they may keep video exclusive to the 3rd-gen iPhone to compensate. Apple loves the up-sell.

[Krafty]

A camera? That's it? The new iPod touch better have:

- video recording
- GPS
- a built-in microphone and better speakers
- 802.11n and HSPA

I WILL not buy one until Apple meets my demands!
Just in case you didn't pick up on it, I'm being sarcastic.

I'd be surprised if they added a camera to the touch, but if they did they may keep video exclusive to the 3rd-gen iPhone to compensate. Apple loves the up-sell.
Well, I'm being serious when I say I wont buy one until I see:
-Built in Microwave
-Shaver
-Toilet Paper dispenser
-Back Scratcher
-Universal Mute button (capable of muting anyone you point it at)
-Space ship
-Toaster

^I demand these be fulfilled in the point of 1 month, or I will make online petition!

[cgc]

I can already see iPhone sales dropping if the iPod touch gets a camera. Why spend, say, $1000-$2000 over two years when you can buy an iPod touch that can make calls (over Skype), take photos, have bluetooth capability (when iPhone OS 3.0 is out), and do pretty much everything else the iPhone can do?

The big selling point is that the iPhone is a fricking phone. How you gonna make calls via Skype if you don't have an open WiFi connection nearby? Being connected via 3G or Edge is the selling point.

[brooks.curly]

What makes you think it is? There's at least a reasonable chance that it's a June thing.
Apple usually updates their iPod line in September. They start their "Buy a Mac, Get an iPod" deal about when school starts, and once that has expired (to try and sell as many of the current generation iPods as possible), they update the iPod line. June events usually involve iPhone related updates.

[Andrew K.]

An iPod Touch w/ camera would appeal to those who don't want an iPhone (someone asked earlier in thread). I don't have a cell phone but would love for a more capable iPod Touch. A camera isn't on my list but an iPod Tough w/ GPS

I would buy one of those! :D Bet the screen would never crack.

[puffnstuff]

The big selling point is that the iPhone is a fricking phone. How you gonna make calls via Skype if you don't have an open WiFi connection nearby? Being connected via 3G or Edge is the selling point.

problem solved..
http://gizmodo.com/5256825/verizon-mifi-2200-3g-portable-wi+fi-hotspot-review

[MacAndy74]

Apple usually updates their iPod line in September. They start their "Buy a Mac, Get an iPod" deal about when school starts, and once that has expired (to try and sell as many of the current generation iPods as possible), they update the iPod line. June events usually involve iPhone related updates.

Hope Apple don't wait until September :( I crave the yet to be released iPod Touch.

[NightFox]

I can already see iPhone sales dropping if the iPod touch gets a camera. Why spend, say, $1000-$2000 over two years when you can buy an iPod touch that can make calls (over Skype), take photos, have bluetooth capability (when iPhone OS 3.0 is out), and do pretty much everything else the iPhone can do?

So you're honestly suggesting that at the moment people are willingly paying "$1000-$2000 over two years" just to effectively have an iPod Touch with a camera?

[zedsdead]

I think this is definitely true for the iPod Touch as it is the next logical step for the device, especially with Apple finally moving to allow video.

As for the iPod Nano, I think that also could be true. There are so many features that separate the Nano from the Touch. It would also give people a reason to upgrade this year without completely changing the device (as it seems there is not much more they can do with it).

As for the classic, will it even remain after this year? I think so, but I don't see Apple bothering to even include a camera in it, although it could happen.

[iMacmatician]

As for the classic, will it even remain after this year? I think so, but I don't see Apple bothering to even include a camera in it, although it could happen.It could but it may not be updated.

[retroneo]

Built-in Microphone and Camera for the iPod touch. Maybe vibrate motor too...

It'll certainly widen the range of useful apps that work on it.

It'll be more usable for VoIP too.

[Gasu E.]

As for the iPod Nano, I think that also could be true. There are so many features that separate the Nano from the Touch. It would also give people a reason to upgrade this year without completely changing the device (as it seems there is not much more they can do with it).

As for the classic, will it even remain after this year? I think so, but I don't see Apple bothering to even include a camera in it, although it could happen.

Camera is a very logical feature for the Nano. Apple's strategy is to dominate the "pocket"-- or, perhaps more precisely, the market for on-body gadgets. Other than the Touch-iPhone dichotomy (which exists because of the monthly service charge and carrier choice issues involved with cell phones), the current line of iPods is deliminated by size, not features. There's the big pocket/purse model, the small pocket model, and the non-pocket "jewelry" model. Each has all the gadgetry that could possibly be crammed in with current technology, given the limitations of each model's size. Apple will continue to cram in additional functionality into each form factor as it becomes available.

The Classic is being maintained, apparently, only as a niche product satisfying the iPod's original mission as a mobile media player, for people who bought into the idea of maintaining their entire music collections in their pockets. It will not be enhanced, and will be killed, I believe, when a 60 GB nano exists, if not sooner.

[wonderbread57]

So there is no new iPhone in the capital "N"ew sense. It's just a stupid refresh? How boring is that? Now in the 3rd generation, the iPhone is based on the same chipset as it was THREE YEARS AGO. Way to stagnate with hardware. Damn it.

[adbe]

and do pretty much everything else the iPhone can do?

Except, somewhat significantly, make phone calls.

Skype is not an alternative. WiFi access is not ubiquitous.

[dwl017]

$75 per month plus taxes and state fees, yes the iPhone is a wonderful tool and nothing will probably ever come close to it but I just cant afford it.

The cell phone industry lords are becoming billionaires due to our obsession and fascination with having email in our pocket. :) I work in the DC area just a few blocks from the White House and today during my lunch break I notice about 90% of the people out for lunch all had their heads buried in some sort of electronic device :)

What a great time in history to be born deaf and dumb since the art of conversation will soon be a thing of the past :cool:

[electronboy]

The iPod does not need a camera. I would prefer a cheaper iPod with more storage and longer battery life thank you very much.

[Quillz]

What is the point of a camera on the iPod nano? You do that, you basically have a terribly crippled iPod touch. The nano should remain strictly a music player, as simple as possible.

[tdurden5150]

the thing i want most is a easier way to manage my apps lol:p

[emjaymert]

I find it to be very interesting to compare the spec of the current ipod touch to the first mac. The Ipod touch is so CLOSE to being a fully functional, truly portable and useable computer.. Can this be Apples goal?

[Eric S.]

I find it to be very interesting to compare the spec of the current ipod touch to the first mac. The Ipod touch is so CLOSE to being a fully functional, truly portable and useable computer.. Can this be Apples goal?

A lot of people agree with that, given the continual rumors floating around about a Mac tablet.

[puffnstuff]

I find it to be very interesting to compare the spec of the current ipod touch to the first mac. The Ipod touch is so CLOSE to being a fully functional, truly portable and useable computer.. Can this be Apples goal?

I always thought the the touch was close to the messagepad. But the messagepad is much more advanced then the touch in terms of functionality. The newton had an expansion slot, the ability to connect to a larger keyboard, ability to connect to a larger monitor,etc

[macgrl]

I just hope that the iphone has better battery life. please please have better battery life :)

[mousouchop]

Screw adding a camera to an iPod... I have the Classic, had an iPod Touch and I sold it... Do you want to know why? Because I wanted an iPod, a device that would allow me to listen to my music and watch my movies. I don't need to access the internet on my personal media device. That is what I have my laptop for.

You know what these iPods really need? FM Radio! Why is it that Apple will not include such a basic feature. You can get a $1 radio from the dollar store but Apple can't manage to incorporate the technology into their "all inclusive" media player.

Add FM Radio, and then we can talk about other features.

[iOrlando]

http://www.appadvice.com/newiphone.html


thats the latest rumor

essentially includes every upgrade i've heard to date...so i doubt everything would be included.

[LASER MANIAC]

front facing camera for video chat calls........thats all i am asking for...

i know its coming..question is what year...

Yeah, I'm with you on this one, that would be epic.

[keithlcp]

I think if the iPod have the camera that it quite convenience to us right because we just need to bring out the iPod then take photo or video

[thibaulthalpern]

I remember I had the original iPhone for about 7 months on T-Mobile (unlocked myself) but my parents didn't let me get the $6 data plan to use EDGE. I always felt miserable if I wasn't in an area with a WiFi network.

Believe me, even if the iPod Touch had complete feature parity with the iPhone, that glaring difference still exists with the lack of always on internet.

Might be a good thing to not have always on-internet. It becomes an addictive habit that one thinks one can easily let go of but actually turns out not so easy. There is life beyond the internet. We don't need always on anything. Live life to experience something in addition to and beyond just the virtual.

[AHughes]

I am still missing your point. Who cares if the incentive to purchase the iphone goes down?

Of course! if you want a phone, get an iphone. Wifi isn't everywhere yet. People who get worried about iphone sales dropping need to pull their heads in.

If apple makes a mistake and there is too much of a price/quality gap between the new touch and the iphone then the iPhone price will drop or a new one will be released.

The only people that should worry would be apple stockholders, and like all shares patience is required.

[zedsdead]

I really think the iPod Touch is getting the 3 Megapixel Video Camera from the 3GS.

I think we also may see GPS in the device, given the Tom Tom announcement.

[catracho]

The iTouch 3G will have one camera like the iPhone 3GS on september.

why? Because the iPhone 4G will have 2 cameras, one front, one back ;)

[SactoGuy18]

Let's face it: in the end the 3G iPod touch will be essentially the iPhone 3Gs minus the cellphone functionality but with flash memory sizes of 32 GB and 64 GB.

[Target362]

The iPod does not need a camera. I would prefer a cheaper iPod with more storage and longer battery life thank you very much.

and YOU don't need an ipod

[MacFanaticoPT]

I think that you would like to know what I have just found!

There is a portuguese on-line store that has already in their catalogue some cases for the new iPod nano and iPod touch. It seems the new models are really going to have a camera!!!

Check-it out at:

- http://www.promais.com/product_info.php?products_id=103275

- http://www.promais.com/product_info.php?products_id=103274

- http://www.promais.com/product_info.php?products_id=103273


"Promais" is a leading portuguese on-line store for Apple products and Apple-related accessories.