MSN Messenger Version 4.0

[theadz01]

and what a waste of time it is! :mad:

[nesbitt_a]

Seems like all they've added is more emoticons, and 'improved file transfer support'. Were they not meant to be working on a completely new interface?

Check it out, its nearly funny: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=msnmessenger

When AdiumX launches, it will be one kick-ass IM client.

Yet again, Microsoft have let us down with their dumbed-down version of MSN Messenger for the mac. Typical.



Andrew

[Mord]

emoticons suck

[MacRumors]

Microsoft released a new version of Mac MSN Messenger (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/msn_messenger4.xml&secid=35&ssid=3&flgnosysreq=True) yesterday.

The newest version of Microsoft's IM client provides improved file sharing, new emoticons, improved alerts, and Office 2004 integration.

[chasingapple]

So far not impressed, iChatAV just does it better.

[NP3]

Humm....won't be using it...except maybe for the office 2004 integration when i finally get it...

[Brian Haworth]

So far not impressed, iChatAV just does it better.

Except for communication with MSN users.

[chasingapple]

Except for communication with MSN users.

Yes and MSN does not communicate with AIM users, what the hell is your point? iChatAV is superior messaging software.

[dontmatter]

who uses the actual AIM or MSN software, instead of a client? Now, if apple can broker with the devil, and get ichat to support MSN and AIM.....

[macdong]

not an update that's worth of a version number change.
many claimed that aMSN is a much better client.
well, in some way it is.
but i've tried aMSN, and it's annoying in some ways as well.
guess i'll be using MSN Messenger for now...

[Whotheheck]

I use MSN because that's what everyone uses

[t300]

I know 0 people who use MSN... Personally, I am going with iChat and Adium...The two best!

[sonyrules]

Its crap, They cant design **** for the mac. I am suprised office is worth anything, come on... Does apple make strip down verision of iTunes and Quicktime for the PC?? NO!!! The basicly function the same.. They need to get off their *** and design a bit. Give Mac users the same crap they give windows users. Oh wait, they cant do that without copying someone.. that right.......

[cb911]

Fire Fire Firre! :D that's a pretty good app, but it is easier just to use Messenger.

and the new version was just released yesterday? what about that new program Micro$oft has just introduced where you get the latest & pre-release apps off BT? ;) oops... http://www.mugget.com/web_images/twisted.gif he he.

[Windowlicker]

who uses the actual AIM or MSN software, instead of a client? Now, if apple can broker with the devil, and get ichat to support MSN and AIM.....

when iChat supports icq (yeah i know it sucks but i'm stuck) i'll start using it.. even better would be if it supported icq, aim & msn. it would rock. maybe they'll introduce a whole new version with tiger? ;)

[mj_1903]

I use Adium for MSN, Aim and ICQ. Works fine for me.

[Abstract]

On my Windows PC, I use Trillian because it supports ICQ, MSN, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, and....um.....one other messaging service. I only know people that use ICQ and MSN, mostly MSN, so iChat is out of the question.

Yes and MSN does not communicate with AIM users, what the hell is your point? iChatAV is superior messaging software.

Not for people who have absolutely no use for it. ;)

MSN Messenger has always worked for me, and I never have any trouble using it, so until Trillian or someone makes a program that supports both ICQ and MSN (amongst others), I'll just stick with MSN.

[Diatribe]

when iChat supports icq (yeah i know it sucks but i'm stuck) i'll start using it.. even better would be if it supported icq, aim & msn. it would rock. maybe they'll introduce a whole new version with tiger? ;)

What do you mean? iChat does support chatting with ICQ you just cannot use your ICQ account.

[cjc343]

half of the deterrent is the download speed.... 4 kb/s..... if they think that's going to force me to use windows the can suck my... nevermind..... it would be edited anyways...


haven't tried it yet, but the updates sound trivial and unimportant, although I always hated their icons, so hopefully that will be better...

other than that, I'm not very expectant.....

[abc123]

it still doesn't support video messaging?

[cjc343]

ugh... this sucks.... the "new emoticons" are not new versions of the old ones.... pretty much the only thing I was hoping for...

it had a lot of trouble finding the old version of messenger and it appeared to be an installer at first, but then turned out it wasn't....

as mentioned ^ is doesn't support video, or audio, or any of the things available on MSN for Windoze.....

The popup messages about people logging in, and about how many messages I have (264) have moved, and they are bigger and worse than before...

If apple were to call this an update, I would be pissed, but this is the kind of thing I expect from micro$oft now....

[virividox]

err was hoping it to be on par with messenger 6 for windoz since i know a lot of people who use msn. too bad

[ibook_g4_user]

Except for communication with MSN users.
And archiving your chats in a brilliant way

[areyouwishing]

iChat is bloated... 23.8mb of RAM vs. 11.72mb for AIM, and AIM works better.

I use MSN only for a few people... it is opened on request.

[nspeds]

iChat is bloated... 23.8mb of RAM vs. 11.72mb for AIM, and AIM works better.

I use MSN only for a few people... it is opened on request.

I think you just pointed out the stem of a primary argument: we can't just switch to a different service, our peers those clients and thus we must use the service that they use and I don't plan on convincing the hundreds of contacts on my list to switch.

[minstryoffunk]

iChat is bloated... 23.8mb of RAM vs. 11.72mb for AIM, and AIM works better.

I use MSN only for a few people... it is opened on request.

AIM does not work better

not to mention that it is aesthetically unpleasing and has ads

the only advantage it has over iChat is the use of buddy info and the ability to copy conversations

it seems to me that most people have so much memory that it doesnt make a difference

[melchior]

??? you only have 768mb of ram and you think that's enough? sheesh! i cannot imagine using a copmuter with less than 4gig of ram :p

AIM does not work better

not to mention that it is aesthetically unpleasing and has ads

the only advantage it has over iChat is the use of buddy info and the ability to copy conversations

it seems to me that most people have so much memory that it doesnt make a difference :p

[iHack]

Wow. M$ actually meeting a deadline. They even seem to be a month early! Is this what Steve meant when he said hell froze over?

M.

[michael666]

it still doesn't support video messaging?

I am also disappointed about this. Is there actually any IM software that allows video chats between Mac and Windows (not XP)? Yahoo supports video, but no sound!

[Craigy]

I wonder if iChat AV for the PC will ever show it's face? Especially since apple seems so pally with AOL at the momemnt.

I sure they would shift a heck of a lot of isights....
:)

[Nermal]

I think you just pointed out the stem of a primary argument: we can't just switch to a different service, our peers those clients and thus we must use the service that they use and I don't plan on convincing the hundreds of contacts on my list to switch.

Exactly. I don't feel like telling all my friends to switch to a service they've never even heard of. So MSN it is.

Edit: And it looks like they haven't fixed the date problem I reported a while ago (always displays dates in the American format, regardless of what you've set in System Preferences).

[Telomar]

Edit: And it looks like they haven't fixed the date problem I reported a while ago (always displays dates in the American format, regardless of what you've set in System Preferences).Mine displays the date in the same preference as the entire system, dd/mm/yy. That's also clearly not the US method.

[displaced]

disclaimer: not tried v4.0 yet, but will update when I get away from work.

The firewall/NAT traversal stuff is welcome -- these things really should just work, and I'm glad it's got done.

I'd really love to see video and voice chat. As previous posters have pointed out, changing services isn't really practical if your buddies don't also change.

It's a shame that video conferencing has become so intertwined with chat apps. Before the IM craze exploded, there was a real push towards standardised video conferencing. Unfortunately this seems to have fallen away -- it's still perfectly possible, but not as convenient or as accessible to the masses in the way that instant messaging with video support is.

The issue seems to have gone on the back-burner recently, but we really need interoperability between IM protocols. It's incredible that we've had to put up with this situation as long as we have.

Are any of the alternative MSN-capable clients (Fire, Proteus, etc) working on (or even considering) including voice & video? That'd be nice to see. At the very least, it would be good if the MS MacBU would state either way whether these features are planned for Mac Messenger... I was sorta hoping that it'd be in v4...

Still -- I'm quite a fan of Office on the Mac. Even though messenger may be lackluster, I've found Office to be pretty great. Similar enough to the Windows versions to be comfortable, but with plenty of Mac flair. Considering the size of the projects they undertake and their limited resources, I reckon the MacBU are doing excellent work.

(but I'd trade all the tea in China for a feature-complete and fully compatible port of MS Access. I swear that's the only thing keeping our company tied to Windows..... live the dream..;))

[jwhitnah]

People use this? :confused:

[Stella]

What has actually changed since the previous version - any new functionality or just a face lift?

MSN 4 is a crock of ****.

[denm316]

its getting better, still not will all the features of the windows version

[Trowaman]

I wonder if iChat AV for the PC will ever show it's face? Especially since apple seems so pally with AOL at the momemnt.

I sure they would shift a heck of a lot of isights....
:)

here here. While we're at it, let's give iChat the ability to make profiles (taglines are great, but so is permanent stuff) and easy up the way to add people to buddy lists. Also if I have someone with multiple screen names and they are signed on to both, I'd to have some easy way to choose which screen name to IM.

On this note, I'm at college and Rendezvous rulez. We were actually able to make an Apple club b/c of it. THink of how many other interesting people we could meet with iChat for PC.

. . . Well I'm ready for iChat 3.

[simply258]

many claimed that aMSN is a much better client.
well, in some way it is.
but i've tried aMSN, and it's annoying in some ways as well.
Give dMSN a go. I use it instead of the official version. Much better than aMSN.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23124

[achmafooma]

On my Windows PC, I use Trillian because it supports ICQ, MSN, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, and....um.....one other messaging service. I only know people that use ICQ and MSN, mostly MSN, so iChat is out of the question.

Not for people who have absolutely no use for it. ;)

MSN Messenger has always worked for me, and I never have any trouble using it, so until Trillian or someone makes a program that supports both ICQ and MSN (amongst others), I'll just stick with MSN.
Fire supports AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo!, and Jabber in a single interface in Mac OS X.

http://fire.sourceforge.net/

It's pretty good. Not perfect, but I've been using it for a couple weeks now and am overall very happy with it.

[keysersoze]

ooooooooo NEW EMOTICONS! So Exciting!

:rolleyes:

stupid microsoft.

[gorkonapple]

New emoticons? Come on Microsoft! GIVE ME VOICE at a minimum! I am sick of not having this on my mac(but not enough to switch).

[djdarlek]

[QUOTE=sonyrules]Its crap, They cant design **** for the mac.

while generally i'll jump on the Microsoft hate-wagon any chance i get.. but on mac, aside from messenger, i have been very impressed with their office suite.. Office X was not as bad as many people make out, and i have been running the developers version of Office 2004 for about a month now and i LOVE it! great features, brilliant spam catchin, loads of new features etc.. this early version is still yet to crash, and compared to my old copy of Office X entourage, the search functions are pretty impressive..

other than that MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE MICROSOFT DIE

:D

[Abstract]

Fire supports AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo!, and Jabber in a single interface in Mac OS X.

http://fire.sourceforge.net/

It's pretty good. Not perfect, but I've been using it for a couple weeks now and am overall very happy with it.

Thanks buddy. :)

[bobpensik]

so until Trillian or someone makes a program that supports both ICQ and MSN (amongst others), I'll just stick with MSN.

They have, they are called: Adium (http://adium.sourceforge.net/) , Fire (http://fire.sourceforge.net/) , Proteus (http://www.indigofield.com/) to name a few!

Adium is the best tho, in my opinion! :cool:

[iggyb]

Fire supports AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo!, and Jabber in a single interface in Mac OS X.

http://fire.sourceforge.net/

It's pretty good. Not perfect, but I've been using it for a couple weeks now and am overall very happy with it.

This is what gets frustrating with Apple. Why won't they allow iChat to support all these formats as well? Why keep iChat limited to so few users? :confused:

[~Shard~]

Hmm, I was initially thinking of picking this up since I have quite a few friends on MSN, however after reading the amjority of negative posts here, I think I'll stay away! Although I can't say I'm too surprised that Microsoft has once again released a sub-par version of software...

[achmafooma]

This is what gets frustrating with Apple. Why won't they allow iChat to support all these formats as well? Why keep iChat limited to so few users? :confused:
Good question. I love the iChat interface, and it was really tough for me to switch to Fire (although I'll give Adium another try, since people seem to be giving it rave reviews -- I haven't used it since way-back-when it was just an AIM client).

I only switched for a few silly little reasons. #1 was the support for multiple chat services (which iChat absolutely should do! I mean, we can put MSN, Yahoo!, and other accounts in Address Book!), #2 is that I missed having a profile, and #3 is some people are really dense and assume you're available if they don't get an auto-response away message.

Hopefully iChat 3 will introduce these things! I understand the delay with #1 (although can't they just pull from the open-source apps [like Adium, Fire, etc.] like they did with Safari?), but #2 and 3 seem pretty easy ... I can't imagine why they didn't show up in iChat 2.

[jcshas]

I use MSN Messenger out of convenience since the majority of my friends and relatives are PC users, and or have Hotmail accounts. Aside from the understanding that this is predominately a Mac centric community here, I'm not sure why everyone is giving MSN Messenger such a bad rap. Yes, I own both Mac's and PC's, AND yes, I think Apple makes a far superior product. But having used both, I can't see how iChat is so much better than MSN Messenger. Just my two cents.

[bpd115]

Messenger is bloated and doesn't provide Video or Voice ala it's PC counterpart which is why everyone is laughing at this "upgrade". Wow new emoticions big deal...

[Chealion]

Does anyone know if this is Cocoa or still Carbon?

If it is a Cocoa rewrite, then it deserves it's 4.0 moniker. Otherwise it should 3.5.2 with a fugly logo.

However some new features I like: Turn off promotional pane (no more ads in your contact list!) And the alerts are less intrusive. Nice change that way. Really disappointed in the upgrade however, maybe 3.6 at best if it wasn't rewritten.

[XForge]

I read this as Windows Messenger and thought "wow, why would I want to run something on my Mac whose sole purpose seems to be installing spyware and causing misleading popup messages?"

(I've been having a lot of trouble with my Winbox lately, can ya tell?)

MSN Messenger, I hear it works well as an IM service, but I have no use for it.

[icon4x]

I'll wait for the security update. ;)

[Nicholas Knight]

I'm not at a Mac right now so please correct me if I'm wrong but...

How can they still not have avatars implimented? How lazy can they get? Microsoft is so pathetic... but then I suppose we Mac users already knew that.

[uv23]

I used messenger when I was still a PC user and I continue to use it as a Mac switcher. It's a great client that both my friends and coworkers use as an efficient means of communicating and sending links/files back and forth over different offices and platforms. Knee jerk hatred of this app is nothing more than closed-minded Apple zealotry.

[sibelius]

I don't think there's any reason for the update to MSN Messenger... except for one thing... to change up the code to make other thrid party applications (like Fire) break. Fire has to pull updates every other day, it seems, just to keep up with Microsoft constantly changing their service.

I think this is just another way Microsoft is mixing things up to stomp out the little guy. And they're trying to tell us it's a cool update to hide their real intentions.

I prefer iChatAV. Other than that I use Fire. On my PC I use all the native clients (AIM; MSN Messenger; Yahoo! Instant Messenger).

sibelius

[sparkleytone]

Hello, Adium! I figured everyone had used this program already at least once. Its still beta, but it rocks hardcore. I don't know what Fire is doing wrong, but Adium definitely doesn't have to release every other day to keep up with protocol changes. The IM framework in Adium is from the Gaim project. For those not in the Linux world, Gaim is THE messenger for Linux. Give Adium a shot.

www.adiumx.com

[Nicholas Knight]

Knee jerk hatred of this app is nothing more than closed-minded Apple zealotry.

I can't speak for the rest of the people here but I don't hate MSN entirely but I certainly have been disgusted with it for the last year. While my friends get to use avatars and all those other cool features present in other PC/Mac messenging apps, I get stuck with a crippled version... and they still haven't corrected this!

It's a decent messenger but not all that great until they actually get off their butts and give us the features that everyone else has been getting for a year.

[Wes]

Hello, Adium! I figured everyone had used this program already at least once. Its still beta, but it rocks hardcore. I don't know what Fire is doing wrong, but Adium definitely doesn't have to release every other day to keep up with protocol changes. The IM framework in Adium is from the Gaim project. For those not in the Linux world, Gaim is THE messenger for Linux. Give Adium a shot.

www.adiumx.com

I'm pretty sure Adium is an Alpha program, but yes, I agree, I absolutely love it!

[XForge]

I don't think there's any reason for the update to MSN Messenger... except for one thing... to change up the code to make other thrid party applications (like Fire) break. Fire has to pull updates every other day, it seems, just to keep up with Microsoft constantly changing their service.

I still don't get this. I'm a Trillian user on my Winbox, and for awhile there, AOL was updating their service every day, just to keep Trillian users from being able to use the service. Because y'know, it's so important that you use MY free application to access MY free chat service. ::boggle::

Yeah, I know about the ads that AIM runs, but I turn those off.

[meta-ghost]

I am also disappointed about this. Is there actually any IM software that allows video chats between Mac and Windows (not XP)? Yahoo supports video, but no sound!

there is squidcam. video chats between windows and macs. i'm setting it up with a friend in china right now. anybody else using it?

http://www.squidsoft.com/squidcam/

[iomar]

Why is it whenever there is a Microsoft Update there is so much negative comments and rating. I think any update for the mac is a good updatae even if it is from Microsoft. I know that iChat is very good chat software comparied to MS Messenger and I may never use Messenger, but it is still good to see new software even if the change small.

[slicecom]

Outside of the U.S it seems barely anyone uses AIM. Everyone i know uses MSN Messenger, so im stuck w/ the crap updates that MS releases for Messenger for Mac. Believe me, i like iChat MUCH better but its not very fun to use when you have NOBODY to add to your buddy list!!

[wowser]

It seems a bit better than the previous version. The icon on the dock is less garish, now. Persoanlly, I think Microsoft make good programs for Mac (with the exception of Media Player which SUCKS!).

Basically, I have just downloaded a 4mb file so I can send someone a an emoiticon of a smiley being sick. :rolleyes:

I have shoved it next to Office on my dock - keep the enemy in one place ;)

[slicecom]

It seems a bit better than the previous version. The icon on the dock is less garish, now. Persoanlly, I think Microsoft make good programs for Mac (with the exception of Media Player which SUCKS!).

Basically, I have just downloaded a 4mb file so I can send someone a an emoiticon of a smiley being sick. :rolleyes:

I have shoved it next to Office on my dock - keep the enemy in one place ;)

I also find it quite a bit more responsive than the last version.

[The Red Wolf]

I don't use, nor have I ever used MSN Messenger. But then again, I don't use a PC, even though I have used one. Oh, yes, I used AIM while on PCs. iChat AV is a beautiful program. Perhaps M$ could benefit from having their internal service (like .Mac) cross-enabled with AIM. No, wait AOL stopped M$ from doing that on several occasions. Why then did AOL allow Apple the luxury? Perhaps because they don't make (steal) products to crush the ideas of other companies. There is always Fire 1.0 which allows you to communicated with 6 chat services including AIM, Yahoo and MSN.

[Stella]

Knee jerk hatred of this app is nothing more than closed-minded Apple zealotry.

Err no, the reason why people hate it is because it offers no new functionality over the last version and still lacks the functionality of the Windows version.

All MS have done for V4 is a facelift... that is nothing to be proud about, and in fact, ranks along side the crap of AlphaOmega... new versions, no new functionality...

[uv23]

Err no, the reason why people hate it is because it offers no new functionality over the last version and still lacks the functionality of the Windows version.

All MS have done for V4 is a facelift... that is nothing to be proud about, and in fact, ranks along side the crap of AlphaOmega... new versions, no new functionality...
How do you know what it includes? Have you seen the source code? The previous version of messenger for the mac would spontaneously disconnect on me every once in a while. The new one has not, thus far. That alone makes this a worthwhile upgrade. And as mentioned by another user, it does seem more responsive in general. Would you rather you didn't get any upgrades at all? :rolleyes:If you don't use it, then don't cry about it. I tell ya, when I waffled during my switch, it was mostly because of the mind-boggling negativity of the Mac userbase, rather than the OS or the machines themselves.

[Wes]

How do you know what it includes? Have you seen the source code? The previous version of messenger for the mac would spontaneously disconnect on me every once in a while. The new one has not, thus far. That alone makes this a worthwhile upgrade. And as mentioned by another user, it does seem more responsive in general. Would you rather you didn't get any upgrades at all? :rolleyes:If you don't use it, then don't cry about it. I tell ya, when I waffled during my switch, it was mostly because of the mind-boggling negativity of the Mac userbase, rather than the OS or the machines themselves.

I agree that mac zealotry is not that healthy, but when a massive company has a 'team' of dedicated programmers working 9 to 5 and it can only add a new icon, fix a connection and file-transfer bugs that should never have been in 3.5.1, and add a few emoticons, that's not acceptable. I've seen 13 year olds write scripts that can add new emoticons.

[Nicholas Knight]

I agree that mac zealotry is not that healthy, but when a massive company has a 'team' of dedicated programmers working 9 to 5 and it can only add a new icon, fix a connection and file-transfer bugs that should never have been in 3.5.1, and add a few emoticons, that's not acceptable. I've seen 13 year olds write scripts that can add new emoticons.

Agreed. Some may be booing this release for anti-MS reasons but the rest of us are just disapointed at another mediocre update. We deserve real updates.

[achmafooma]

I am also disappointed about this. Is there actually any IM software that allows video chats between Mac and Windows (not XP)? Yahoo supports video, but no sound!
iChat AV 2.1 will allow video conferencing with AIM users on Windows. I've never done it so I don't know about the quality, but Apple lists it as a feature:

http://www.apple.com/ichat/

Videoconference with millions on Mac or PC

iChat AV 2.1 supports videoconferencing with the new AOL Instant Messenger 5.5 for Windows, giving you immediate access to the millions of people in both the Mac and PC communities.

[DaBuzz]

I hope this means Office 2004 is packaged and ready to ship SOON (as in a matter of days). I've been eagerly expecting this since MWSF, and I had a pre-order with the Apple Store since April 1.

I'm not a big fan of MS, but Office is the Mac's most important application in the business world. Bring it on Bill! NOW NOW NOW!

[ALoLA]

I've banished all Microsoft software from my Macs. So, no, I won't be using this new MSN Messenger. Although this Adium thing sounds interesting. I may give that one a spin. :)

[blackcrayon]

Also notice Microsoft apparently refuses to add Microsoft Exchange support to Messenger... At least with Entourage you get poor Exchange support ;)

M$ obviously wants to keep any "corporate" features out of the Mac versions of their software (notice the home-user direction of Office v.X and 2004)... Since I'm the first one to mention it here obviously it isn't a huge feature for the majority of Mac users, but it would probably be a very simple feature to implement (basically it allows you to chat with other MSN Messenger users on your LAN and it can "find" users through your Exchange Server's address book) (my company has about 500 PCs and 175 Macs, and the Mac users are forced to use Citrix to access Messenger...)

[asif3]

MSN 4 is a crock of ****.


hehe, another MR member who has managed to make me spit my tea out :D

[Chealion]

So... Is it Carbon or Cocoa? A rewrite or fuglification?

[Nermal]

Mine displays the date in the same preference as the entire system, dd/mm/yy. That's also clearly not the US method.

Interesting, my Sys Prefs had somehow become screwed up. The "summary" showed it was dd/mm/yy, but clicking the Customise button showed mm/dd/yy.

Needless to say, it's correct now.

[sibelius]

Why is it whenever there is a Microsoft Update there is so much negative comments and rating. I think any update for the mac is a good updatae even if it is from Microsoft. I know that iChat is very good chat software comparied to MS Messenger and I may never use Messenger, but it is still good to see new software even if the change small.

Even if the reason for the change is to break third-party chat apps from using your protocol? I don't think the 'update' was to really update anything at all, rather it was to put out a chat client that used a protocol so Microsoft could keep out other people using other clients to hook onto their network.

sibelius

[kirk26]

MSN Messenger looks much nicer than the Windows version, but alas no functionality improvement. I'll use it though.

[takao]

yawn....

are there really so many people using MSN messenger in the USA ?
i tried it out 3 times already in the last years... but never got past 2-3 contacts and then i end up uninstalling it and forgetting usernames untill somebody asks me to isntall it ;)

i'm using icq since 98 (or was it 99 ?) and the only thing MSN offers for are those avatar but after a few days i turned them off nonetheless....

does MSN have server saved lists ? i can't live without that feature ...(using icq on mutliple computers)

[dubbz]

does MSN have server saved lists ? i can't live without that feature ...(using icq on mutliple computers)

Yes, it does.

[captain kirk]

So... Is it Carbon or Cocoa? A rewrite or fuglification?

That would be a 'fuglification' , whatever the hell a 'fuglification'is.
Here in the UK we call it a fudge!!!!

[guytoronto]

It's official. I hate iChat users!

Attention all iChat users that keep saying iChat is better than MSN:

1)iChat isn't compatible with my life! My contacts use MSN!
2)iChat doesn't support video on my 500Mhz G3!
3)I don't know ANYONE that uses iChat or AIM.

So, for gawd's sake, please SHUTUP about iChat. Go ahead and use it yourselves. Be happy in your iChat world.

Let the rest of us complain about lack of features compared to PC MSN.

[warcraftmaster]

It's official. I hate iChat users!

Attention all iChat users that keep saying iChat is better than MSN:

1)iChat isn't compatible with my life! My contacts use MSN!
2)iChat doesn't support video on my 500Mhz G3!
3)I don't know ANYONE that uses iChat or AIM.

So, for gawd's sake, please SHUTUP about iChat. Go ahead and use it yourselves. Be happy in your iChat world.

Let the rest of us complain about lack of features compared to PC MSN.



i got the same problems oh well eh? am just going to get my famliy frist on i-chat then i will get my friends too. i will them a nice i sight. but the hard part is showing them how great my poowerbook is :)

[Chealion]

That would be a 'fuglification' , whatever the hell a 'fuglification'is.
Here in the UK we call it a fudge!!!!

fuglification - The process of making something fugly.

fugly - A slang word joined between the famous f-word and ugly to describe something unbearably ugly.

The icon is fugly.

[Stella]

That is nice... just because I don't use an application - that gives me no right to air my views?! lol.

Sorry, MSN 4 does not merit such a revision in version number. MS have been lazy.


How do you know what it includes? Have you seen the source code? The previous version of messenger for the mac would spontaneously disconnect on me every once in a while. The new one has not, thus far. That alone makes this a worthwhile upgrade. And as mentioned by another user, it does seem more responsive in general. Would you rather you didn't get any upgrades at all? :rolleyes:If you don't use it, then don't cry about it. I tell ya, when I waffled during my switch, it was mostly because of the mind-boggling negativity of the Mac userbase, rather than the OS or the machines themselves.

[Stella]

ROTFL - funniest post on this thread.

iChat is cute.. I think, but does lack on the compatibility side. I've yet to get it working with AIM 5.5 video.


It's official. I hate iChat users!

Attention all iChat users that keep saying iChat is better than MSN:

1)iChat isn't compatible with my life! My contacts use MSN!
2)iChat doesn't support video on my 500Mhz G3!
3)I don't know ANYONE that uses iChat or AIM.

So, for gawd's sake, please SHUTUP about iChat. Go ahead and use it yourselves. Be happy in your iChat world.

Let the rest of us complain about lack of features compared to PC MSN.

[g.money]

I agree that the boys down at MacBU didn't crank out the features (i.e. contact photos, audioconferening, etc.) but they did finally get one thing right: when I wake my iBook from sleep, MSN actually reconnects on its own... I can't tell you how annoying it was to reconnect after every sleep (well, I guess I just told you :D )

All in all, pretty weak update, but at least it makes it somewhat usable on a laptop that goes to sleep often. Plus, if anyone noticed, you can get rid of the ad bar now (I'm pretty sure you couldn't do that before).

[plasticparadox]

This is all that I need. I'm perfectly satisfied with MSN Messenger 4.0. I don't need the teenybopper bloat - eg. display pictures.

Voice/video would be cool, but honestly on my PC I never used it anyways.

I used to use ICQ for years - (had a 7 digit #) and wished I had something exactly like this. Attractive, simple, quick.

I don't know what you all are complaining about. Nobody owes you anything. Go ahead, keep whining, make yourselves look like idiots.

[sockgap]

Jeez what a lot of whining in this thread.
It's a new updated version FOR FREE, and it's not crammed full of spyware like AIM.

[Nermal]

when I wake my iBook from sleep, MSN actually reconnects on its own

Yeah I noticed that too, very useful :)

Plus, if anyone noticed, you can get rid of the ad bar now (I'm pretty sure you couldn't do that before).

You've been able to do that since at least 3.5.

[rhpenguin]

Loaded it, played with it, loaded aMSN back up. Its a good update for the simple fact that it doesnt just disconect all the time, but the fact that i can use emoticons that are quite childish is kinda crappy. The only thing I wish were included was the avitars and for me that would have made this update awesome for me.

This update serves a purpose, but for me aMSN serves it better.

[macjohnmcc]

I know 0 people who use MSN... Personally, I am going with iChat and Adium...The two best!

You must not know any Windows users. Windows comes with Windows Messenger that works with MSN. MSN Messenger 6.1 is the best chat program on Windows. It supports Voice and Video chats. It's great. If the MSN 4.0 for the Mac supported Voice and Video I couldn't be happier but it does not.

[milzay]

I cant seriously believe that people actually have anything good to say about this pile of crap. I would love to use iChat, but no one i know uses AIM (im from the UK). All of my friends use MSN so i have to use MSN messenger. I thought 3.5 was quite good, first MSN i had, it lacked some of the stuff that the Windows equivalent at that time had, but it was OK. Looked better than windows. But this is hardly an update let alone a new version.
It has no new features that are actually useful to me. I wanna mess around and personalise MSN, even if i only use the webcam/voice chat once i want the option. Im pissed because it took lazy MS d'vers this long to do basically **** all. I d/led 4, but ive chosen to go back to 3.5, because the new icon is horrible. It looks horrible and doesnt go with anything else on my dock. See now if im basing my decision to use 3.5 on an icon then its clear that 4 is a lame update.
Let me mkae it clear i dont hate Microsoft and i think Office X is quite impressive. But this is the poorest update, especially compared to messenger 6 on windows.

[Skiniftz]

Originally Posted by Brian Haworth
Except for communication with MSN users.



Yes and MSN does not communicate with AIM users, what the hell is your point? iChatAV is superior messaging software.
I would suspect his point was that iChatAV is no good for talking to MSN users. Which it isn't. "Superior" is utterly irrelevant if you can't use it for what you want.

[Skiniftz]

iChat is cute.. I think, but does lack on the compatibility side. I've yet to get it working with AIM 5.5 video.
That's because it doesn't work with AIM video with PC users. It's all lies.

[Rower_CPU]

That's because it doesn't work with AIM video with PC users. It's all lies.

Got anything to back that up?

People seem to be able to get it work just fine (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2C1759%2C1555039%2C00.asp).

[Skiniftz]

<snip>I d/led 4, but ive chosen to go back to 3.5, because the new icon is horrible. It looks horrible and doesnt go with anything else on my dock. <snip>
OMG to choose icons for your dock they have to "go with something else"??

This isn't a fashion show you know - some programs are kinda useful regardless of their icon..

Also, the icon has only changed ever so slightly!

[Skiniftz]

Got anything to back that up?

People seem to be able to get it work just fine (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2C1759%2C1555039%2C00.asp).

Try two experienced sysadmins trying for two hours to get it to work between Mac and PC over broadband links (one NATted) without success.

[Rower_CPU]

Try two experienced sysadmins trying for two hours to get it to work between Mac and PC over broadband links (one NATted) without success.

So a sample size of 2 gives you enough confidence to say it's "all lies" and "doesn't work"?

[Skiniftz]

So a sample size of 2 gives you enough confidence to say it's "all lies" and "doesn't work"?
It does when one of those admins is me, yes.

Do YOU know anyone who has had it working for sure?

[Rower_CPU]

Do YOU know anyone who has had it working for sure?

Other than the plethora of people writing about it online?

edit - Oh, and me too. Just got it working between a PC and Mac here on the local subnet. I'll try connecting to the PC here from home, too - shouldn't be an issue.

[Skiniftz]

Other than the plethora of people writing about it online?

edit - Oh, and me too. Just got it working between a PC and Mac here on the local subnet. I'll try connecting to the PC here from home, too - shouldn't be an issue.
Well I hope you enjoy video conferencing across the local subnet. Now try a real world situation using NAT on at least one side of the link.

[Rower_CPU]

Well I hope you enjoy video conferencing across the local subnet. Now try a real world situation using NAT on at least one side of the link.

That's what the test from home will be.

In any case, it works in at least one situation that I've tested, and in typical situations according to folks online, so I think it's fair to say your original statement was an exaggeration.

[ingenious]

okay i went to http://messenger.msn.com/mac and clicked download, and i downloaded 3.5.1 again?!?!? can someone give me a diff link? :confused:

man, i wish iChat had MSN compatibilty, cuz like 98% of my friends use MSN. MSN is sooo unreliable tho, even on my PC box (puke)

[wowser]

okay i went to http://messenger.msn.com/mac and clicked download, and i downloaded 3.5.1 again?!?!? can someone give me a diff link? :confused:

man, i wish iChat had MSN compatibilty, cuz like 98% of my friends use MSN. MSN is sooo unreliable tho, even on my PC box (puke)

Does this work?: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/msn_messenger4.xml&secid=35&ssid=3&flgnosysreq=True

[ingenious]

Does this work?: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/msn_messenger4.xml&secid=35&ssid=3&flgnosysreq=True

thanks that worked. i wonder y the msn site has not been updated yet. i knew M$ couldnt *fully* keep a deadline. Man, i hope longhorn never comes out. Long live the Mac, Linux, and UNIX! FYI, apple has realeased three (including tiger) oses since XP! am i right? this is just off the top of my head.

[MacCoaster]

So... Is it Carbon or Cocoa? A rewrite or fuglification?
Looking at the .app package it does look like it's a Cocoa app. Can any fellow Mac developer tell us if a Carbon app is packaged in .app form, because I was trying to replace MSN 3.5 with 4.0 and ended up with two copies in Applications. Turns out that MSN 3.5 didnt have the .app extension but 4.0 did, that leads me to believe it is a fully Cocoa app.

[PowerMacMan]

thanks that worked. i wonder y the msn site has not been updated yet. i knew M$ couldnt *fully* keep a deadline. Man, i hope longhorn never comes out. Long live the Mac, Linux, and UNIX! FYI, apple has realeased three (including tiger) oses since XP! am i right? this is just off the top of my head.

I believe you are... ;)

[ingenious]

man this is so ugly. the *new* emoticons don't even animate! this was a rip off and a waste of my 56k bandwidth. :mad:

[tomozj]

[trash]

[wookitus]

So a sample size of 2 gives you enough confidence to say it's "all lies" and "doesn't work"?

It works. I did a video conference with a friend on a PC for over an hour. The video isn't as fast as mac to mac but it works just fine.

[Brad Raple]

I'd really like to be able to have the avatars, but then again, the reconnect feature is handy on my ibook, like was mentioned earlier. I'm just glad that I finally figured out how to turn off those annoying ads on the bottom of it.

[meta-ghost]

It works. I did a video conference with a friend on a PC for over an hour. The video isn't as fast as mac to mac but it works just fine.
did the pc have win xp or win 2000? i'm looking on the aim page and it says xp is required.

[GFLPraxis]

I must say, MSN Messenger 6 is probably the absolute best peice of messaging software for Windows (5 and earlier were crap). MSN Messenger 3.6 was the worst messaging software for Mac, and 4.0 fixed a couple minor annoyances (ugly smilies, only able to receive one file at a time) and nothing I really care about.

Come on Microsoft, you can do better...oh wait, you're Microsoft, almost forgot, you thrive on crappy software!

[PickledSquirrel]

sigh...
still no images. Getting happier 'bout amsn by the minute.

[milzay]

I downloaded amsn and its definitely worth the download. IMO its the best MSN client by far. I just wanted to know how do you use new skins, and how do you create new skins. I think i can make quite a good skin (brushed metal look) i just need to know some stuff. Thanks
milzay

[msgmissy]

I'm happy to see someone has finally made an effort for us mac users to have the same advantages as pc users in using msn messenger... hopefully they'll someday soon take it up many more notches... but for the time being... i'm not dissatisfied with version 4.0 as it is... they've added the pager feature... and I *really* like the sounds of improved file transfer support... there's been countless times where my firewall has interferred... I've *just* downloaded this newer version... so I can't say just yet whether it is in fact improved... we'll see though... oh and hey... upon sign-in they now have the invisible mode as an option (which I love)... The improved pop-ups, now shown lower right hand of the screen as opposed to the upper right and how they fade out is quite funky... and though the additional emoticons aren't anything to get excited over... the option is now there... so I'm pretty pleased... there are a few other improvements... mainly customizing prefs and what not... all in all... not a bad improvement at all... now if *only* someone will add the webcam feature... to view others and also be seen... or even audio...then though it wouldn't be 'all that' which pc msn offers... at least it could be considered a close second...

Thanx for informing me about this new update!

-Melissa

[wrldwzrd89]

This is a repost - see this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=70634).