Next Generation iPhone Bezel Revealed?

[MacRumors]

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iPhone Ticker first reported (http://www.iphone-ticker.de/2009/05/28/die-nachste-generation-ersatzteil-sichtungen-in-hong-kong/) on new "Apple iPhone 3Gen 2009" parts listed for sale at parts supplier ChinaOnTrade (http://www.chinaontrade.com/iphone-4g-spare-parts-c-69.html).

It can be hard to tell exactly what has changed from just the single part, but iLounge breaks down (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/purported-next-gen-iphone-bezel-shows-speaker-color-changes/) the changes that they see: Notably, the bezels appear to show a repositioned and redesigned ear speaker, now significantly higher above the display than the present speaker, and ringed with metal, a change that may make room for additional front-mounted sensor or camera hardware. Also changed is the bezel’s color, which has shifted from the prior silver in all iPhone and iPhone 3G models to a nearly black metallic color reminiscent of the backs of later fifth-generation iPod U2 Special Edition models.The lack of a silver rim could indicate some minor changes to the appearance of the next generation iPhone, though the legitimacy of the parts remain up for debate.

Article Link: Next Generation iPhone Bezel Revealed? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/27/next-generation-iphone-bezel-revealed/)

[jnguyen4]

front camera?? maybe?

[iansilv]

Screen!! New screen!

Or front camera...

Either would be nice.

[jmann]

Ooh!! Now all we need is a recent leak of the back casing! :)

[11800506]

Ooh! I hope this means they're implementing a front camera!

Then again these types of pictures are often fakes

[ziggyonice]

front camera?? maybe?

If this were to happen, I think I'd need to find some way to change my upgrade date through AT&T. I want. Now.

[fun173]

chinaontrade.com? If that sites legit i wanna put a black keyboard in my whitebook

[thevofl]

The plot thinnens.

[Mr. Giver '94]

Good...if it's true.

The chrome bezel is just another thing that gets scratched up even if your phone is in a case.

[MarkSTi04]

IF this is true and the bezel is going to be a darker color, that just might push me over the edge to get the new iPhone when it is released.

I would however like to know what the hardware on the inside is going to be. If its gonna be improved like the rumors we hear, I will buy it just for those reasons alone. I hope that the back case colors will be confirmed soon. I like the black thats on my 16Gig now. It seems to be more durable than the white ones.

[wackymacky]

Umm.. The page linked to also has a link to a LCD screen for iPhone 2009, not OLED by the looks.

Not really convinced by the validity of it thogh.

[alexbates]

Screen!! New screen!

Or front camera...

Either would be nice.

Bigger screen?

It looks like there is now more space since the speaker is higher up.

[jmadlena]

In light of this new evidence, I took another look at the icons for the 2,1 iPhone discovered in the beta SDK, but the ear-piece does not appear to be any higher, nor does the rim appear to be black. It's still the same silver.

That doesn't prove this wrong, it just doesn't corroborate it.

[xmax21]

what i want to know is if the new iphone that's going to come out going to have the same dimension as the current one today!! I'm in need of a cover but don't know if i should wait or not?

[twoodcc]

doesn't seem to reveal much. can't wait to see what happens at wwdc though!

[dissdnt]

Bigger screen?

It looks like there is now more space since the speaker is higher up.

Could be.. that would be cool. The Gizmodo article had pictures of the next gen lcd too. So maybe OLED won't be happening :(

[GCmini]

OLED screen! I sight camera hooray for rumors. May the chaos begin!

[jmann]

what i want to know is if the new iphone that's going to come out going to have the same dimension as the current one today!! I'm in need of a cover but don't know if i should wait or not?

Just get it. If you need a case now, don't wait until the new iPhone appears just to make your decision.

[anubis]

I browsed their web site a bit. Looks legit. They also have "iPhone 3rd generation (2009) LCD Screen" listed... non-OLED screen

[Ron21]

this was posted on this forum like 2 weeks ago.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601254&postcount=44

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601393&postcount=48

[Exegesis48]

Great honor for us to sell you random parts...

[Feng Shui]

Yes, love the black bezel.

[dissdnt]

this was posted on this forum like 2 weeks ago.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601254&postcount=44

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601393&postcount=48

Haha wow. It's sad when macrumors has to copy a story from Gizmodo instead of checking it's own forum :P

[alexbates]

this was posted on this forum like 2 weeks ago.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601254&postcount=44

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601393&postcount=48

It has actually been longer than that...I just found this thread: (posted on May 4th, so 3 weeks ago)

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=696050

...so the parts are for sale on ChinaOnTrade, so someone should try to buy them :D

[jav6454]

This signals the true next step in iPhone evolution

[iJesus]

If the trim is anything like the back of my U2 iPod; well, I am one happy camper. Scratches don't show nearly as much on it as they do on regular metallic backs and it has a really nice look.

[iMJustAGuy]

The anticipation is killing me. I'm stoked for the new iPhone. But, havn't we already determined that there is no way there can be a bigger screen because of existing apps and 3.0, or is that incorrect?

[DMoney0023]

if the camera was on the front, how would you see what you're taking a picture of?? Unless you want to take pictures of yourself all day

[dissdnt]

if the camera was on the front, how would you see what you're taking a picture of?? Unless you want to take pictures of yourself all day

The idea is it would have 2 cameras, front and back.

[JayLenochiniMac]

So it's going to look like the Touch?

[iMacoo7]

Front facing camera has more posibilities than just taking one person photos. Would be easier if you wanted to take pictures with others. Or like I have said on several diff. Other threads this front facng camera will be for iChat. Apple has produced everything that has been missing on the software side(meaning the most popular)now it's the hardware that needs to be tweaked which will be done

[designgeek]

this was posted on this forum like 2 weeks ago.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601254&postcount=44

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601393&postcount=48

That's what I was thinking... I saw it weeks ago and wondered why nothing was made of it.

The plot thinnens.

Exactly. WWDC is a week and a half away I can't wait for it to be over for many reasons. The only thing I won't be looking forward to all the threads saying "why we didn't see a tablet at WWDC."

[scottness]

I would buy just for a front facing "iChat-able" camera. Make it happen.

[Warbrain]

Still don't think that a front-facing camera is in their plans right now. I don't think it would be used all that much by anyone.

[Stately]

The plot thinnens.

Lol. :D

[Stately]

Still don't think that a front-facing camera is in their plans right now. I don't think it would be used all that much by anyone.

I do think many and I mean many would use it, but like you said, I don't think it's in the works.

[SAG3194]

Still don't think that a front-facing camera is in their plans right now. I don't think it would be used all that much by anyone.

Why not?! It's the 3rd iPhone it's about time if you ask me. Besides right now they are filling in the missing cracks ex:copy,paste,MMS etc... iChat is one of them if u ask me

[SAG3194]

I do think many and I mean many would use it, but like you said, I don't think it's in the works.

Why not?! It's the 3rd iPhone it's about time if you ask me. Besides right now they are filling in the missing cracks ex:copy,paste,MMS etc... iChat is one of them if u ask me

[dagamer34]

I browsed their web site a bit. Looks legit. They also have "iPhone 3rd generation (2009) LCD Screen" listed... non-OLED screen

With the amounts that Apple would have to order to have a successful launch in July, they would have needed millions of displays ordered several months ago. While we hear of OLED devices being released now, they are nowhere near the magnitude Apple requires for its products.

Next year maybe, but OLED is still cutting edge enough that I wouldn't want it being used in a flagship product just yet.

But absolutely next year the iPhone will have OLED. All of the heckling from Microsoft will force Apple into doing so, especially with something so easy to compare like a display. Competition is GOOD! :D

[Virtuo]

Also, something to note... The other pictures shown by your sources indicate that the 3rd gen iPhone will NOT have an OLED display as rumors have suggested.

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lcdid1.jpg
http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lcdid2.jpg

[Hot Snowboarder]

This is getting exciting!!!

Can't wait to buy, hope they are on the market quickly.

[Agolden]

I don't know about you guys, but for my 3G, Id love to get a replacement black back cover for my 8g from that site- mine is a little scratched up and there are tiny cracks. Do you guys know if that site is actually selling genuine parts???

[jrichie]

Please please please Apple,

Lose the chrome and I will buy the new iphone and not a pre....................

yes I hate it that much :)

[alexbates]

The speaker is huge is huge compared to the 3G. Maybe Apple is thinking of just having the speaker at the top and forgetting about the 2 smaller speakers next to the 20-pin USB connector. That makes sense to me... why else would Apple need to make the talking speaker larger?

[ivladster]

so Apple took out every metal part? That would suck, big time.

[Fraghax]

Ooh!! Now all we need is a recent leak of the back casing! :)

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/26/next-generation-iphone-case-to-have-matte-finish-enhanced-3g/



Like that one?!:o

[MacsomJRR]

Wow this is exciting.

[iMaggot]

I'm not going to buy the new iPhone, but man i can't wait to see it.

[rstansby]

The speaker is huge is huge compared to the 3G. Maybe Apple is thinking of just having the speaker at the top and forgetting about the 2 smaller speakers next to the 20-pin USB connector. That makes sense to me... why else would Apple need to make the talking speaker larger?

FWIW there is only one small speaker by the 20-pin USB connector. The other one is the microphone.

[MacFly123]

I do think many and I mean many would use it, but like you said, I don't think it's in the works.

Still don't think that a front-facing camera is in their plans right now. I don't think it would be used all that much by anyone.

No it is not in their plans right now. I say 4G. And YESSSS MANY MANY people will use it. The iPhone will actually make video chat common because it will be the first to do it RIGHT!

Why not?! It's the 3rd iPhone it's about time if you ask me. Besides right now they are filling in the missing cracks ex:copy,paste,MMS etc... iChat is one of them if u ask me

As much as I would LOVE it, it is not a missing crack. No phone in the USA has it that I know of, and others that do in the world it is utter crap, which is why Apple is waiting to do it RIGHT! AT&Ts network would literally collapse if they did it now. It won't happen till LTE!

[Agolden]

I think the top ear-speaker could use an update. With my 3g its either turned all the way up or all the way down. Maybe there making it bigger to house a better one.

Although, MOST of all, besides all the new bad ass hardware; The back casing should go back to metal like the 1st gen. They should make it metal shaped like the 3g's plastic back. THAT would be so nice, the 1st gen was indestructible. I dropped it out of my lap getting out of my truck onto pavement like 5 times, there were only scratches everything else solid. the 3G has such a thin back, it cracks between the buttons and i think the inside hardware i'snt as secure.

[philipxz]

Wow! A rubber back sounds nice. Probably the same texture as the feet on a UMB.

[macshill]

I would buy just for a front facing "iChat-able" camera. Make it happen.

HA!!!!!!! AT&T's network would be exposed as the true joke that it is. It'd lock up and they can't be bothered to upgrade it, so they'd rather keep their monopoly going and have America do w/out. That's the AT&T way.

[Exegesis48]

Wow! A rubber back sounds nice. Probably the same texture as the feet on a UMB.

I was thinking more along the lines of the SeeThrough Satin Speck Cases. I have one on my Unibody macbook Pro right now, and it feels soooo nice. Shame it shows all the finger oils all over it so easily though.

[Agolden]

No it is not in their plans right now. I say 4G. And YESSSS MANY MANY people will use it. The iPhone will actually make video chat common because it will be the first to do it RIGHT!



As much as I would LOVE it, it is not a missing crack. No phone in the USA has it that I know of, and others that do in the world it is utter crap, which is why Apple is waiting to do it RIGHT! AT&Ts network would literally collapse if they did it now. It won't happen till LTE!


Well, you would be video chatting with people that have laptops or desktops. And, I think it is possible that they are doing the front facing cam because apple always does cool stuff like this first. But, there is no software in the 3.0 betas that would allow video chat, ya know? There might be a front cam for taking pics of you and yourself to send with mms. Either way, if there is a front cam, there is no software for video chat yet... from apple at least.... (app store)

[applecore22]

What do you think the round cutout in the bezel is or could be for? Assuming this leak is correct and this is the bezel that will be on the next iPhone. I circled it in red on the pictures here.

[Exegesis48]

Look people... If they are releasing a new iPhone, then they are going to have to have a selling point. They can't just change the asthetics and call it the "NEW" iPhone 3G. Copy and paste and MMS are going to be apart of iPhone 3.0 OS, and they aren't going to just make a new phone to take advantage of that. As of right now the only compelling new feature everyone is talking about is video, so at least that much must be certain...

I was writing this post to point out the obviousness that they would be coming out with a video chat capable phone, but as I was writing it I realized that video with MMS integration done only the way that Apple can do it (simply and efficiently) is really all you need to market a new iPhone. So yeah, never mind, I take it all back.

[jmann]

Wow! A rubber back sounds nice. Probably the same texture as the feet on a UMB.

That would be a nice consistency, but I would be afraid that it would gash easily.

[audiocollective]

What do you think the round cutout in the bezel is or could be for? Assuming this leak is correct and this is the bezel that will be on the next iPhone. I circled it in red on the pictures here.

It looks a little strange but the round part of the bezel is probably for a dedicated photo button. If it is going to have a good camera it might also be nice to have a good button to use it with. If you hold the phone like you are taking a picture with a camera the button would be in the perfect place.

[ziggyonice]

What do you think the round cutout in the bezel is or could be for? Assuming this leak is correct and this is the bezel that will be on the next iPhone. I circled it in red on the pictures here.

Silent ringer switch.

[applecore22]

Silent ringer switch.

On the bottom right corner of the iPhone? Why would they change it now? It's worked well, and has been positioned on the upper left for two releases so far...

[ptlnfc]

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rahmenorg.jpg

what about this?

look at the reflection on the lower left of the photo, it is a reflective surface shot with large soft light box on top in a studio environment.

maybe next to the new dark rim, there'll still be a mirror-ish rim just like the one in the existing iphones.

[applecheese]

who cares about front facing camera. i want this
http://www.chinaontrade.com/images/289/telescope-6x-zoom-for-iphone-3g.jpg
:p

[LevMac]

Id love the back of the casing to go back to the aluminium finish like the 1st gen iPhone, felt much more solid and it will match up with their product line up ! Not long to go now guys....

[drewsky5]

My guess is that they are just making the phone smaller. As much as I would love a front facing camera, (I still am hoping for it) I think they are just going to make the phone smaller probably.

[Chris Welch]

That's not the bezel that you will see on the outside of the phone. As the description states, its the INTERIOR middle bezel.

For reference, this is the same part in the iPhone 3G:

http://www.chinaontrade.com/images/306/apple-iphone-3g-middle-internal-bezel.jpg

[B1gMac]

IF this is true and the bezel is going to be a darker color, that just might push me over the edge to get the new iPhone when it is released.

Really? This is what is going to push you over the edge?

[illitrate23]

That's not the bezel that you will see on the outside of the phone. As the description states, its the INTERIOR middle bezel.


i was thinking the same thing, because - if you look at the bottom left corner of this new image, the rounded side part doesn't go around the bottom. so either the new bezel is going to be 2-parts, or it seems to be that the silver bezel will clip/glue on top of this part

[eastercat]

Id love the back of the casing to go back to the aluminium finish like the 1st gen iPhone, felt much more solid and it will match up with their product line up !
I seriously hope they don't go back to metal, because that interfered with the iPhone's signal. Granted, if you don't really use the phone as it's intended, that's fine for you. However, I liked the boost in signal strength when the plastic version came out.

If there really is a front facing camera, I hope there's more use for it than self pictures and chat. Because those two features are not worth getting excited about, imo.
Well, I had been planning on skipping this year's phone. This just gives me more incentive to not get caught up in new phone fever.

[Faye]

What do you think the round cutout in the bezel is or could be for? Assuming this leak is correct and this is the bezel that will be on the next iPhone. I circled it in red on the pictures here.

Call me crazy, but I think the bezel is displayed upside down. I think that the new long aperture is for a microphone at the base of the device. The three holes in the "bottom" of this picture look like the location of the proximity and light sensors which are currently in the top. There also appears to be a groove at this end which would be more suited as a waveguide than a place for a button. This would make the round part in the same place as the silent switch at the moment.


Faye

[butterfly0fdoom]

What do you think the round cutout in the bezel is or could be for? Assuming this leak is correct and this is the bezel that will be on the next iPhone. I circled it in red on the pictures here.

Maybe it's a camera button. *shrugs* We'll find out in 2 weeks.

[naotko]

I thought it would get a reversible camera like SONY PCG-C1XF.

[guru_ck]

I think the top ear-speaker could use an update. With my 3g its either turned all the way up or all the way down. Maybe there making it bigger to house a better one.

Although, MOST of all, besides all the new bad ass hardware; The back casing should go back to metal like the 1st gen. They should make it metal shaped like the 3g's plastic back. THAT would be so nice, the 1st gen was indestructible. I dropped it out of my lap getting out of my truck onto pavement like 5 times, there were only scratches everything else solid. the 3G has such a thin back, it cracks between the buttons and i think the inside hardware i'snt as secure.

Well you got lucky. Both my 1st and 2nd generation iPhones fell off of my lap when getting out of my car on seperate occasions. The screen shattered on both of them. I'm training myself not to leave my phone on my lap anymore, it's very costly.

[puercaeli]

Many people seemed to be believe OLED has not been around long enough and is not widely available enough to be used in device like iPhone.

I don't know about the other parts of the world but first ever kind of mass produced OLED was released in 07 in Korea(iriver Clix 2). Also if I remember correctly most product ramp up for OLED was scheduled around 08 so manufacturers can easily meet the demand of the Apple(not to mention reduced demand due to the economic condition). OLED is becoming so widely available in mobile market it is being used in quite a lot of devices especially in Korea and Japan etc... it's just that not may of them make to the other parts of the world seemingly creating the effect that OLED is still 'not' widely available.

Also the Apple signed some sort of contract with LG few months back for display specifically for mobile device(it did not mention OLED). Because of this reason, we cannot quite rule out OLED entirely.

I think major determining factor in using OLED for Apple is whether they have come up with some way to overcome poor legibility. And if they have not, if they are prepared to sacrifice some legibility for the better battery life, then they might use it. Another temptation factor for Apple for using OLED is that it can earn extra volume for other chips and parts as it is slimmer than LCD.

[Thex1138]

There is one tid-bit..
These screen parts for IPhone Gen 3 could actually be for the low-end [AKA the apparent non-3G, non-WiFi 8-16gb for China market] model..
The 'high-end' premium model [AKA 3G WiFi 32gb] could still ship with OLED...

But realistically there's no point wishing for it now... they're already well underway in manufacturing for July release :D

Hmmm where are all those sneaky reports from people watching shipping records we had early last year... 'Electric Computers' on the container... or the other dudes back in Jan-Feb noting the phones appearing on network traffic watchers in the California area...?

Twwwo-Weeeeks [to go]
[AKA - Total Recall, Mars Immigration Queue]

[stavtag]

In the right end of the bezel there's a little curve that probably indicates that they have repositioned the headphones jack!It's awesome since the place tha jack is now makes it difficult to use landscape mode when using the headphones.I don't know though wether this change is useful when u hold the phone in vertical position...

[jamesdmorgan]

I'd like it if they removed the silent button from the top left. I always knock it and then can't hear the phone ring. I don't see why its not software driven

[xenotek]

omgz a bezel!

[landyman]

FWIW there is only one small speaker by the 20-pin USB connector. The other one is the microphone.
<sarcasm>
I think what the original poster meant to say was:

Ah yes it makes sense to move the speaker there because when you're using iChat video the phone isnt next to your ear.. so a single louder 'speakerphone' / ear volume capable component makes sense.
</sarcasm>

(plus it would help reduce my sprint friend LOLing about how weak my speaker is on my 3G)

[Full of Win]

They have to change it because it will force people to upgrade and not be stuck with the 'old looking one'

[ImNoSuperMan]

... the low-end [AKA the apparent non-3G, non-WiFi 8-16gb for China market] model..

There will not be an iPhone without wifi. Never(until wifi becomes obsolete and they replace it with something more efficient).

[iGeRmAn]

Many people seemed to be believe OLED has not been around long enough and is not widely available enough to be used in device like iPhone.

I don't know about the other parts of the world but first ever kind of mass produced OLED was released in 07 in Korea(iriver Clix 2). Also if I remember correctly most product ramp up for OLED was scheduled around 08 so manufacturers can easily meet the demand of the Apple(not to mention reduced demand due to the economic condition). OLED is becoming so widely available in mobile market it is being used in quite a lot of devices especially in Korea and Japan etc... it's just that not may of them make to the other parts of the world seemingly creating the effect that OLED is still 'not' widely available.

Also the Apple signed some sort of contract with LG few months back for display specifically for mobile device(it did not mention OLED). Because of this reason, we cannot quite rule out OLED entirely.

I think major determining factor in using OLED for Apple is whether they have come up with some way to overcome poor legibility. And if they have not, if they are prepared to sacrifice some legibility for the better battery life, then they might use it. Another temptation factor for Apple for using OLED is that it can earn extra volume for other chips and parts as it is slimmer than LCD.

Suggesting the screen will have the same size and resolution, at least it's kind of strange that the new one is listed at 73 $ and the current at 35 $ , don't you think ?

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/purported-next-gen-iphone-bezel-shows-speaker-color-changes/

[auggie2k]

More pictures from the site:

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/teaseme.jpg

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lcdid1.jpg

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lcdid2.jpg

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lcdneu.jpg

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lcdorg.jpg

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rahmenneu.jpg

http://www.iphone-ticker.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rahmenorg.jpg

[SydneyDev]

This is the stuff rumors are made of. Seems like it won't be all that different to the current one.

[iZac]

The 'fanboy' in me is excited by the potential of losing that tacky chrome bezel.

The sane person in me wonders why a little bit of pastic / metal is news. :rolleyes:

[drewsky5]

There will not be an iPhone without wifi. Never(until wifi becomes obsolete and they replace it with something more efficient).

Actually I remember reading that one of the conditions of China Mobile was that WiFi was disabled, so if Apple wants to expand into China, then the WiFi is going to have to be disabled.

[johnnyjibbs]

Confirmation that the front-mounted camera is coming (how can it not?!) but I'm not sure about removing the silver bit - the cheap plastic look of the bevel looks similar to the rubbish that most other phones have. Hopefully this is actually a shot of a Samsung or something like that and not of an iPhone.

[JoeDRC]

In the right end of the bezel there's a little curve that probably indicates that they have repositioned the headphones jack!It's awesome since the place tha jack is now makes it difficult to use landscape mode when using the headphones.I don't know though wether this change is useful when u hold the phone in vertical position...

I doubt it, that would be incredibly annoying in your pocket, or to get in your pocket with a headphone jack sticking out the side.
Not to mention it'd look ugly.




I'd like it if they removed the silent button from the top left. I always knock it and then can't hear the phone ring. I don't see why its not software driven

I'd have to disagree, if it were software driven it'd be a major pain.
I use the silent button all the time, and being able to quickly switch it to silent without having to get it out of my pocket is a major convenience

[iZac]

Looking at the bezel, it stops where the base plate is. That might suggest that the bottom half (ie the inch at the bottom that was plastic in the G1 iPhone) might all be a different material. The little hole / circle in the bottom right of the bezel might suggest a round button, which is a common place for landscape camera controls?

Then again, this could always be some exclusive spy shots of .... one of the many Chinese knock-offs.

[zacman]

There is one tid-bit..
These screen parts for IPhone Gen 3 could actually be for the low-end [AKA the apparent non-3G, non-WiFi 8-16gb for China market] model..

Not offering 3G for the Chinese market would be a bit stuipid. Last time I was in Beijing (in March) there were Unicom 3G ads all over the city, also AFAIK China Mobile also has 3G in some cities. There were also some news in TV that some other province (can't remember which one) is now also getting 3G coverage and that news was hyped because "you can now even watch TV on your mobile phone!".

[=MuLti-CeLL=]

There might be a front cam for taking pics of you and yourself to send with mms. Either way, if there is a front cam, there is no software for video chat yet... from apple at least.... (app store)

Exactly what I was thinking. A front facing camera doesn't necessarily have to be used for video-chat or there will not be one.

[newyorksole]

It seems like the same time last year we were getting all this news about parts that Apple ordered and AT&T boosting speeds and iPhone cases being leaked.

This news is definitely a good sign.

[drakeshipway]

I'm liking the speaker being attached to the bezel.
Maybe this would make the phone a little shorter?

[DELLsFan]

Bigger screen?

It looks like there is now more space since the speaker is higher up.

Apparently, enough to make the screen larger and add a new front-facing camera lens.

Looks promising!

:apple:

[Chupa Chupa]

Well, you would be video chatting with people that have laptops or desktops. And, I think it is possible that they are doing the front facing cam because apple always does cool stuff like this first. But, there is no software in the 3.0 betas that would allow video chat, ya know? There might be a front cam for taking pics of you and yourself to send with mms. Either way, if there is a front cam, there is no software for video chat yet... from apple at least.... (app store)


Of course maybe there is no video chat capability in the current 3.0 betas b/c existing iPhones can't do video. As such, no reason for Apple to include it at this time. Why spoil a good feature, right? It's entirely possible that new iPhone hardware w/ a back, front, or dual video cam would ship with the video enablers and iChat app.

As far a probable, well, who knows. ATT has been a huge buzz kill when it comes to bandwidth hogging features and apps.

[hiimamac]

Hmmm. It's stories like this that define fan vs. Say Pro Users. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just saying. But a bezel? News?

Hmmm
Godspeed all. Be safe. Love others. Call your family. Be kind to strangers.
Peace.
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/27/next-generation-iphone-bezel-revealed/)


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/05/27/230822-IMG_3909.jpg_425.jpg

iPhone Ticker first reported (http://www.iphone-ticker.de/2009/05/28/die-nachste-generation-ersatzteil-sichtungen-in-hong-kong/) on new "Apple iPhone 3Gen 2009" parts listed for sale at parts supplier ChinaOnTrade (http://www.chinaontrade.com/iphone-4g-spare-parts-c-69.html).

It can be hard to tell exactly what has changed from just the single part, but iLounge breaks down (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/purported-next-gen-iphone-bezel-shows-speaker-color-changes/) the changes that they see:The lack of a silver rim could indicate some minor changes to the appearance of the next generation iPhone, though the legitimacy of the parts remain up for debate.

Article Link: Next Generation iPhone Bezel Revealed? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/27/next-generation-iphone-bezel-revealed/)

[Carniphage]

If these images were iPhone parts. It might look a bit like this.
http://twitpic.com/63yd6
<EDIT> although the camera button would be on the opposite side (lol)
C.

[nick1024]

Many people seemed to be believe OLED has not been around long enough and is not widely available enough to be used in device like iPhone.

I don't know about the other parts of the world but first ever kind of mass produced OLED was released in 07 in Korea(iriver Clix 2). Also if I remember correctly most product ramp up for OLED was scheduled around 08 so manufacturers can easily meet the demand of the Apple(not to mention reduced demand due to the economic condition). OLED is becoming so widely available in mobile market it is being used in quite a lot of devices especially in Korea and Japan etc... it's just that not may of them make to the other parts of the world seemingly creating the effect that OLED is still 'not' widely available.

Also the Apple signed some sort of contract with LG few months back for display specifically for mobile device(it did not mention OLED). Because of this reason, we cannot quite rule out OLED entirely.

I think major determining factor in using OLED for Apple is whether they have come up with some way to overcome poor legibility. And if they have not, if they are prepared to sacrifice some legibility for the better battery life, then they might use it. Another temptation factor for Apple for using OLED is that it can earn extra volume for other chips and parts as it is slimmer than LCD.

To add to this, the Nokia 8800 Arte uses an OLED screen and has been out at least a couple of years...although this is a highly premium device. The new Sony X-Series mp3 player also uses an OLED display which isn't that much smaller than the current LCD iPhone display. Apple using an OLED screen for their new iPhone may be more feasible than some of you guys think.

It's very likely that the new iPhone will have a faster processor, more RAM, better camera...all these upgrades will put pressure on the battery. It has been noted that developments in battery technology hasn't been able to keep up with the rapid developments in other areas of the phones hardware such as the processor. This leads me to believe that Apple may include an OLED screen simply because the battery performance without it may be unacceptable. What do you guys think about this?

[bushido]

kinda OT but T-Mobile Germany set a vacation ban starting june 18 bc of a new "product" being released and they even have a converence set up, could it be the launch of the new iPhone? :D

[bushido]

I'd like it if they removed the silent button from the top left. I always knock it and then can't hear the phone ring. I don't see why its not software driven


eek no way!

[iPaf]

If these images were iPhone parts. It might look a bit like this.
http://twitpic.com/63yd6
<EDIT> although the camera button would be on the opposite side (lol)
C.

Great job, I like it :D

[AtlasBoy]

Well, you would be video chatting with people that have laptops or desktops. And, I think it is possible that they are doing the front facing cam because apple always does cool stuff like this first. But, there is no software in the 3.0 betas that would allow video chat, ya know? There might be a front cam for taking pics of you and yourself to send with mms. Either way, if there is a front cam, there is no software for video chat yet... from apple at least.... (app store)

I would not be surprised if once the new iPhone is announced, that a new 3.0 beta is released with new features in it. It could be that Apple has other stuff ready, but will not release it until it is announced. There will be time for a beta or two before the iPhone is available.

[Excellerator]

I could see the new iPhone using OLED in it, the new Microsoft Zune HD will have it. Why not?

[kromekat]

Would be a shame to lose the chrome bezel I think - part of it's distinction, and a nice frame for the screen - particularly nicer on the 3G model. However, this image may be of a pre-chromed part anyway!? - hope so - all black phones won't make it stand out from the crowd.

Adam ;)

[Thex1138]

If these images were iPhone parts. It might look a bit like this.
http://twitpic.com/63yd6
<EDIT> although the camera button would be on the opposite side (lol)
C.
Very Nice!
If this is indeed a form factor.. then front cam is now quite possible :D

[rubberduck007]

Great job, I like it :D

Originally Posted by Carniphage
If these images were iPhone parts. It might look a bit like this.
http://twitpic.com/63yd6
<EDIT> although the camera button would be on the opposite side (lol)
C.


woooooaaaahhhhh - hold on people - these pics look pretty good - maybe this guy is covering his ass by saying they are fake, but infact he is an Apple employee real-life testing the hardware....

[applecultvictim]

Beautiful staff. Since we got the zune hd to be a fugly clone of gen 1 iphone, I guess in about, well, four years time ms will go all black for the zune hd, Redmond start your photocopiers!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:apple:

[iPaf]

woooooaaaahhhhh - hold on people - these pics look pretty good - maybe this guy is covering his ass by saying they are fake, but infact he is an Apple employee real-life testing the hardware....

Well, I hope you're right, but don't become too paranoiac :p

[robogobo]

OMG it's awesome!

[billchase2]

Front camera?? That would be awesome!

[mappyman]

Those bezels don't like too different from the current iPhone.

In fact they are both upside down and what you are seeing is the power connector at the top. In the other picture its also upside down and reversed.

[mavis]

Those bezels don't like too different from the current iPhone.

In fact they are both upside down and what you are seeing is the power connector at the top. In the other picture its also upside down and reversed.That's not the "power connector" ... Check out the shadow; it's clearly a speaker port.

[ozzyman500]

I'm definitely getting excited. Hopefully all the rumors are true.

[uhhitsjames]

I'm thinking this is pretty legit. The bezel seems to match the same rubbery texture of the back casing we have seen. I'd like to believe that that is a front facing camera, but I just don't know yet.

[Reverendrun]

woo-hoo....comment #115 about a bezel

[Donz0r]

woo-hoo....comment #115 about a bezel

Maybe I'm just a huge geek/fanboy but I don't see the insignificance of this. This is a major and legitimate leak about the design of the new iPhone. And on top of that, it
1) indicates a pretty significant external design change and
2) hints at perhaps some additional sensors/camera on the front bezel or a
3) shorter phone, and
4) some sort of (camera?) button in the lower right corner of the phone, as well as a
5) change in the materials used to make the phone, possible 2 materials like the first gen b/c the bezel doesn't go all the way around

So this leak that a lot of people are making out to be no big deal actually contains a lot of information concerning the new iPhone and is one of the more significant leaks we've had about it

Personally I think it's number 3 over number 2. Although I could see the front facing camera if they're marketing this as a great camera phone w/ video recording, then the front camera would make sense, but personally I have little need for one and think about a 1cm shorter iPhone would be nice

[Carniphage]

3) shorter phone...


That's what I thought when I saw the speaker sitting up there on the very top-edge of the phone. That could shave off a full centimeter of length - and for me, a smaller iPhone with the same sized screen would be very welcome.

But when doing the photochop, the proportions of the bezel don't seem to bear this out. Could be just perspective of course.

The other thing that is utterly strange is the break in the bezel at the bottom of the phone. Presumably there's a second piece. Is it plastic? Is it a hatch?

Isn't such a break a heresy in the Jon Ives religion? What would be the benefit, other than making the glass easier to replace?

C.

[utsava]

The other thing that is utterly strange is the break in the bezel at the bottom of the phone. Presumably there's a second piece. Is it plastic? It is a hatch?

Isn't such a break a heresy in the Jon Ives religion? What would be the benefit, other than making the glass easier to replace?

C.

Yeah, to me there a few big clues in this photo (assuming this is a legit photo):

1) Handset speaker moved up (is there a reason other than aesthetics? front-facing camera?)
2) Notch on lower right side of the bezel (camera button?)
3) Bezel does not go around the bottom of the device (can't figure this one out)
4) Bezel is now black

If these are legit, there's allot of changes going on....

[Donz0r]

That's what I thought when I saw the speaker sitting up there on the very top-edge of the phone. That could shave off a full centimeter of length - and for me, a smaller iPhone with the same sized screen would be very welcome.

But when doing the photochop, the proportions of the bezel don't seem to bear this out. Could be just perspective of course.

The other thing that is utterly strange is the break in the bezel at the bottom of the phone. Presumably there's a second piece. Is it plastic? Is it a hatch?

Isn't such a break a heresy in the Jon Ives religion? What would be the benefit, other than making the glass easier to replace?

C.

I know, the break is certainly very strange!

I love the chrome bezel on my iPhone 3G but it does get scratched very easily. I trust Apple, I'm sure the new design will be even sexier

[retrospects]

i just want to say that i am glad i am waiting for my contract to expire with my first gen iphone. i hope they will give some discounts for us first gen-ers.

i wish they would launch this one on june 29 too. that day was crazy for me 2 years ago.

[JayLenochiniMac]

The break in bezel indicates that the new iPhone is to be surgically implanted into your body. All the info will be transmitted to your brain, but if someone wants to see what you're looking at, that's what the screen is for.

[vrillusions]

This is getting exciting!!!

Can't wait to buy, hope they are on the market quickly.

I really hope it's quick. This crapper phone I've been using for the past 2 months is getting more and more annoying as each day progresses. And I know AT LEAST the release date is going to be a month from when they annoncement... because apple is mean like that. They've allready teased us with new software like 2 or 3 months ago

[patrickdunn]

this was posted on this forum like 2 weeks ago.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601254&postcount=44

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7601393&postcount=48

Yep MacRumors, this should have been your headline. As Teddy Duchamp (Stand By Me) would say, "you really screwed the pooch on this one!".

I still love you MacRumors, its OK.

[richlux]

Am I the only one who remembers a rumor a few months ago that talked about how the Home button was going to be moved to the side of the phone allowing a smaller phone with the same screen size? They were talking about an iPhone Nano. The rumor could be half right. They could be moving the Home button to the side to make room for for a bigger screen!

Rich

[uberamd]

I love how so many people are saying "zomg t3h front facing camera!?!11!!!"

That is not a selling point for me. I never find the need (nor am I self-absorbed enough) to constantly take pictures of myself, not to mention video chat would dominate battery and is something best kept to laptops. But thats just me. I use my iPhone for texting, apps, email. I use my Macbook Pro/Air for video chat and what not.

This makes me think about people complaining about copy/paste not being on the iPhone. I have owned a crap load of phones and had never once used copy/paste on any of them. To me, it wasn't a major downside but some people were flipping out about it. So now that its added, you all better use it.. all the time :)

[jrudmin]

This is very likely not an iPhone, maybe next generation Samsung i900 or similar phone.

[Robbadore64]

I'm all for a physical button to press for the camera. I mean I should be to take a drunken pic of myself and my girlfriend w/out hoping I'm touching the right part of the screen. But do they actually need to ADD a button? Really? Can't just have a settings option to turn the volume control (both up and down) into a camera button when the camera app is running? Do we really need to change volume of anything while taking a picture?

[uberamd]

I'm all for a physical button to press for the camera. I mean I should be to take a drunken pic of myself and my girlfriend w/out hoping I'm touching the right part of the screen. But do they actually need to ADD a button? Really? Can't just have a settings option to turn the volume control (both up and down) into a camera button when the camera app is running? Do we really need to change volume of anything while taking a picture?

-or- just tapping any part of the screen?

[hefeglass]

In the right end of the bezel there's a little curve that probably indicates that they have repositioned the headphones jack!It's awesome since the place tha jack is now makes it difficult to use landscape mode when using the headphones.I don't know though wether this change is useful when u hold the phone in vertical position...

sure hope they DIDNT do that

makes it pretty hard to hold in your pocket and listen to music on it with headphones


ALSO..this new bezel design clearly points to slightly smaller footprint...thats all I am expecting..and a camera button.

[Donz0r]

I'm all for a physical button to press for the camera. I mean I should be to take a drunken pic of myself and my girlfriend w/out hoping I'm touching the right part of the screen. But do they actually need to ADD a button? Really? Can't just have a settings option to turn the volume control (both up and down) into a camera button when the camera app is running? Do we really need to change volume of anything while taking a picture?

If the Camera and video capabilities are being marketed as major features of the new phone, a camera button would make a lot of since, although I agree the volume buttons COULD work

[vrillusions]

I'm all for a physical button to press for the camera. I mean I should be to take a drunken pic of myself and my girlfriend w/out hoping I'm touching the right part of the screen. But do they actually need to ADD a button? Really? Can't just have a settings option to turn the volume control (both up and down) into a camera button when the camera app is running? Do we really need to change volume of anything while taking a picture?

The physical volume and mute buttons are EXTREMELY useful. It's nice when talking to someone who's a little quiet you can reach to the side and turn up the volume. And the mute switch is great, I wish more phones had that. Not only can you easily enable or disable it a quick look at the side tells you if it's muted or not.

The top button can be used for the picture taking or just the current "take picture" softbutton that's on current iphones.

(edit)
woops, I thought you meant completely do away with the volume buttons, not repurpose them. Still think just using the top button as a physical button would work fine.

[wizard]

Look people... If they are releasing a new iPhone, then they are going to have to have a selling point.

That isn't how the cell industry works, new models come out every week just so they can be called new. As to Apple explain the last iMac update.


They can't just change the asthetics and call it the "NEW" iPhone 3G. Copy and paste and MMS are going to be apart of iPhone 3.0 OS, and they aren't going to just make a new phone to take advantage of that. As of right now the only compelling new feature everyone is talking about is video, so at least that much must be certain...

That is where you are taking a very narrow view. Some of the rumored features that are likely true and compelling:
1. Faster processor -- this is huge.
2. Faster GPU, to work in tandem with the above.
3. Vastly improved camera.
4. More RAM.
5. More flash.
6. Better RF performance.



I was writing this post to point out the obviousness that they would be coming out with a video chat capable phone, but as I was writing it I realized that video with MMS integration done only the way that Apple can do it (simply and efficiently) is really all you need to market a new iPhone. So yeah, never mind, I take it all back.
Frankly I think video chat is a long shot. For one thing the networks can't handle it. Second there is zip for demand except from the perv community, it really isn't a space where Apple and AT&T want to play right now.

In any event I'm thinking you are missing one important point here, that is the general desire for a better performing iPhone. A device that totally gets rid of the UI lag. A device that doesn't drag to a crawl everytime an E-Mail comes in.

Like I said Apple only needs to increase performance to make this upgrade worthwhile.


Dave

[hefeglass]

This makes me think about people complaining about copy/paste not being on the iPhone. I have owned a crap load of phones and had never once used copy/paste on any of them. To me, it wasn't a major downside but some people were flipping out about it. So now that its added, you all better use it.. all the time :)

i would be more excited about the copy/past functionality if it was implemented well.. i have been using os 3.0 since the second beta and I am not too impressed with the copy/paste. There are so many instances when you are unable to just copy the desired portions of the text (particularly when it is in a table format or similarly formatted in a web page) and i end up with a paragraph when i just wanted a persons shipping address...then I have to paste it into notes and recopy the parts I need.
its a pain in the ass, but still better than no copy/paste.

[Carniphage]

...is who do you pay to use it?

On a computer, video chat is just data. It's free. Data is bundles with the iPhone, so video chat over 3G would be free. Right?

But to the cellphone phone networks, it is one of the "special services" they want to charge a special rate for.

* Voice Conversations
* SMS
* MMS
* 3G Music downloads
* Live TV
* Tethering
and
* Video Chat

Are all supposed to be not just data, but premium services provided by the cellphone network. And the networks want to charge a hefty premium rate for these services.

This is why you can't do Skype calling over 3G, and why the iTunes store did not let you download music except over WiFi.

AT&T seem to have relented on Music Downloads... But as long as video-chat is a premium service, I can see Apple holding-off video chat functionality.

The inevitable end is that all this will become "just data". But don't hold your breath.

C.

[JuBe]

This may not be true, but I vaguely remember hearing a while back that the silver ring on the phones were also used somehow as an antenna. Now that may be way off based, but if I'm not making that up, then that could mean an improvement in one of the antennas.

[wizard]

To add to this, the Nokia 8800 Arte uses an OLED screen and has been out at least a couple of years...although this is a highly premium device. The new Sony X-Series mp3 player also uses an OLED display which isn't that much smaller than the current LCD iPhone display. Apple using an OLED screen for their new iPhone may be more feasible than some of you guys think.

Yes it is very feasable. But it would have to be an improvement over the current screen which is pretty good. I'm not sure where this idea comes from that OLED screens are grossly expensive. They aren't and have some advantages.

As to iPhone I'm not sure if Apple will transition. It doesn't look like it from this posting but that doesn't mean anything. For all we know this could be a screen for a low end device.


It's very likely that the new iPhone will have a faster processor, more RAM, better camera...all these upgrades will put pressure on the battery.

Possibly but it isn't a given. For example just about every part of the iPhone's logic board is now available in lower power versions. Even class D audio amps are improved in this respect. Thus for an upgrade to the current iPhone you could end up with a lower power device. If they come out with a low end model that basically duplicates the current iPhone the potential is for modest performance increases and much better battery life.

From the above you can see that I expect at least two new models for the US market. One is a cheap direct replacement for the current iPhone the other a higher performance device. Even on the higher performance device ( iPhone Pro ) I'd expect similar battery life. Some of that due to the expected hi integration SoC processor from the PA Semi product. Of course we don't know for sure that PA is even focused on iPhone class processors but there is a very good chance. For example if Apple went to 40 nm for the SoC, on a low power process, we might very well break even power wise while effectively doubling performance. Maybe more than double performance. It is all about who they partner with and how tight their relationship with ARM is.

It has been noted that developments in battery technology hasn't been able to keep up with the rapid developments in other areas of the phones hardware such as the processor.

While true to an extent batteries are improving every year. As to cell phone electronics that is improvine at a substantial rate too. By that I mean performance per watt. I'm pretty much convinced that Apple could lower the power consumption of an iPhone that is in the same general class as the current one and give it a modest performance boost.

This leads me to believe that Apple may include an OLED screen simply because the battery performance without it may be unacceptable. What do you guys think about this?

I'm not convinced that Apple will go OLED simply to save a bit of power. The move would have more justification than just that.

Honestly though I wouldn't be surprised if the rumored high speed capable iPhone ( as in 7.2 downloads) won't have a thicker battery to support those connection speeds. Apple can save all sorts of power internally but RF requires a certain amount of power to maintain the SNR, with the faster data rate the iPhone will need to use more transmission power. So more amp hours out of the battery.


Dave

[wizard]

..............The rumor could be half right. They could be moving the Home button to the side to make room for for a bigger screen!

That was the last straw and sent me over the brink into an iPhonegasm. A larger screened iPhone would be just the nuts. Especially if the pixel density is maintained. That would mean more info on screen.

I kinds doubt this will happen. Secondarily I'm holding it is the "shutter release" for the new camera. If there is one thing the camera needs it is a mechanical switch for picture taking.

Rich


Dave

[Robbadore64]

-or- just tapping any part of the screen?

Genius!

[Dagless]

...is who do you pay to use it?

...
I'd say just look into how other phone networks handle video calls.

[jaw04005]

Good. The silver bezel was super easy to scratch.

[aslucher]

I'm all for a physical button to press for the camera. I mean I should be to take a drunken pic of myself and my girlfriend w/out hoping I'm touching the right part of the screen. But do they actually need to ADD a button? Really? Can't just have a settings option to turn the volume control (both up and down) into a camera button when the camera app is running? Do we really need to change volume of anything while taking a picture?

or they could use the volume buttons as zoom in and zoom out (only repurpose them for the camera app of course cuz i use them all the time otherwise) and then have a stand alone camera button! That'd be sexy haha

[fef714]

The plot thinnens.

lol, too true

[Rootus]

the general desire for a better performing iPhone. A device that totally gets rid of the UI lag. A device that doesn't drag to a crawl everytime an E-Mail comes in.

Like I said Apple only needs to increase performance to make this upgrade worthwhile. I agree. I have a first gen iPhone, and while I'll appreciate upgrading to 3G and GPS, if I could have only one thing from the next iPhone it would be performance. As a PDA, I want to be able to use it often and easily -- take it out, jot something down, put it away, that kind of thing. Having to wait on applications to load -- hell, even the super simple Notes app has a 5-10 second lag on load -- is really aggravating.

[Donz0r]

hell, even the super simple Notes app has a 5-10 second lag on load -- is really aggravating.

Are you jailbroken or something? My notes app loads instantly. I also turn it off and back on about once a week. But I do agree, we need a performance boost, this device shouldn't be this laggy

[christ3d]

there's only a few possible reasons to move the ear piece up.

1. completely for aesthetics.. no reason whatsoever.
2. apple has found that people naturally put their ear on the edge making it a natural place for the hole..
3. to make room for some kind of sensor or a camera
4. to make room for a larger screen
5. they want to make the iphone smaller, so they minimize the black area around the screen
6. they're moving the screen up to leave more room at the bottom. (for more buttons or a click wheel)

a larger screen would be pretty awesome and would have that "wow factor" that everyone could look at the new phone and say "thats freaking cool"

[DanFreebairn]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3571/iphone3rdgen2009.jpg

[DiamondMac]

Some seem so intent on Video Chat. i really couldn't care less about that to be honest.

I really JUST WANT longer battery life, bigger space, and BETTER CONNECTION to the AT&T network.

Dropped calls continues to be a bad problem for my iPhone

[hefeglass]

it blows my mind that there are so many posts about how this thing is going to look..
i could honestly care less about how it looks...im MUCH more concerned with the internals and the actual performance increases we will see with the new hardware....im excited to see it during the first day of wwdc!

[GutBomb]

I'm not going to read through the whole thread, but I really don;t think that thing is the speaker. It's the same width as the dock connector. it's just a strange angle and it looks like it might be a reinforcement for the inside of the dock connector. The holes in the flat portion lead me to believe that it is the top where the sensors and things are. We perhaps can't see the speaker hole because it's not that great of a photo.

Just sayin...

[Karumu]

i know a lot of you don't get the video call thing, but if a camera on the iphone is coupled with skype (even if only wifi) that would be awesome for me.

As someone who lives in another country from my family and friends video calls are great. to be able to jump on my wifi, kick back and not worry about a computer would be a huge plus for me. can walk around easier while chatting etc. very useful for me.

just because a feature doesn't seem useful for you doesn't mean there are not other people who would really appreciate it.

[MacFly123]

Well, you would be video chatting with people that have laptops or desktops. And, I think it is possible that they are doing the front facing cam because apple always does cool stuff like this first. But, there is no software in the 3.0 betas that would allow video chat, ya know? There might be a front cam for taking pics of you and yourself to send with mms. Either way, if there is a front cam, there is no software for video chat yet... from apple at least.... (app store)

As you said, Apple would do it, they would NEVER let a third party or some crap app on the App Store do iChat lol! No way they would let a killer app like iChat for iPhone be done by someone else! :rolleyes:

You are right, there is nothing in 3.0. I have had it for quite a while now. That should be proof enough for you that it will not happen this year.

And as far as the laptops and desktops, not that that would never happen, but it kind of defeats the purpose of mobility. The intent would be for iChatting to happen iPhone to iPhone. iPhone's to Macs would be secondary.

I'm not trying to get you down, I'm just being realistic. I have been wanting iChat on the iPhone from the beginning but the time is not yet. 1-2 years with either HSPA 7.2 or LTE. Depends on what Apple does with exclusivity with AT&T and Verizon's LTE network.

I personally think iChat will be THE FEATURE of iPhone 4G! Everything aligns for that timing, with the networks, exclusivity, proprietary chips from PA Semi coming to fruition, the iPhone OS doing major video handling, etc.

[stezza333]

My Rendition of Next Gen iPhone.

How the new iPhone would look like according to some rumors.:p

http://i41.tinypic.com/kq6o7.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/2nulnqs.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/11ait1l.jpg

[lhymes]

I find it odd that the new bezel assumptions don't add up with the icons that were found the other day. In those icons, the earpiece is in the standard location of the current model phone. Now, I don't think this is inconsistency. I'd expect that the notch at the top isn't replacing the earpiece, but instead is a repositioning of the loudspeaker for speakerphone and watching videos. The downward-facing speaker kinda sucks, especially in areas with an above-average ambient noise level. Opinions?

Oh, and they could technically keep the downward facing speaker, also, and use the two speakers to broadcast stereo sound when the phone is in a horizontal orientation.

[Thex1138]

The mysterious yet revealed iPhone 3,1 <SDK reference>
:D

[Akira1980]

My Rendition of Next Gen iPhone.

How the new iPhone would look like according to some rumors.:p

http://i41.tinypic.com/kq6o7.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/2nulnqs.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/11ait1l.jpg

LOL, I love the Apple logo flash when taking a picture. :)

[butterfly0fdoom]

Sorry to bump a really old thread, but turns out the "leaked bezel" was actually for the Creative Zii:
http://gizmodo.com/5324542/creative-zii-egg-plaszma-android+wielding-ipod-touch

[Carniphage]

Sorry to bump a really old thread, but turns out the "leaked bezel" was actually for the Creative Zii:
http://gizmodo.com/5324542/creative-zii-egg-plaszma-android+wielding-ipod-touch

Butterfly!
Excellent detective work!

It is not surprising that the Chinese component manufacturers mistook this for an iPhone.
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/07/504x_Zii-EGG-Hand-Shot-01.jpg

C.