UK/London: 24 Hour Tube Strike Starting June 9th

robbieduncan · May 28, 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8071423.stm

I imagine this will devolve into some sort of discussion about whether they are right to strike or not. Personally I think it's totally outrageous that they are striking and that their "demands" are laughable. They are already vastly overpaid as it is.

thecritix · May 28, 2009

Around £38,000, I agree vastly overpaid.

Whenever I hear Bob Crowe speak I wish I had gaffa tape .

wrldwzrd89 · May 28, 2009

Oh dear, I knew this would happen eventually. I didn't think it would take this long, though. I used to live in England at one point, so I have an idea of what the situation was like back then. Alas, it's been 12 long years since I left England...

edesignuk · May 28, 2009

All those in favour of having Bob Crow stoned to death raise your hands.

We're in a recession you turds. Shut up and get on with the already stupidly over paid jobs you're lucky to have.

A TfL statement said: "The RMT leadership has failed to engage in any meaningful talks on pay, instead submitting a wildly unrealistic claim - demanding a 5% pay rise for fewer hours in the middle of a recession.

iBlue · May 28, 2009

Pricks.

And no tube strike thread is complete without this video. (NSFW)

sunfast · May 28, 2009

I am so lucky I can walk to work these days. Working at a hospital staying home is a non-option - I remember a delightful 2 and a half hours of bus action the last time I was using the tube.

I can't imagine they have any sympathy from Londoners. Demanding more money to sit on their arses and read the sun while the automatic train does their job for them - in the middle of a recession too! Greedy ****ers

robbieduncan · May 28, 2009

sunfast said:
I am so lucky I can walk to work these days. Working at a hospital staying home is a non-option - I remember a delightful 2 and a half hours of bus action the last time I was using the tube.

I too can walk to work. I can also work from home. Neither of these things alter the fact that these buggers think they can hold London to ransom year after year. If I had my way I'd just sack them and then employee people willing to sign a no-unions contract.

bartelby · May 28, 2009

robbieduncan said:
I too can walk to work. I can also work from home. Neither of these things alter the fact that these buggers think they can hold London to ransom year after year. If I had my way I'd just sack them and then employee people willing to sign a no-unions contract.

I'd never work for a company that didn't allow unions...

robbieduncan · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
I'd never work for a company that didn't allow unions...

Well, perhaps not. I'm pretty sure we can join a union where I work. Just no-one ever would. Perhaps I'd be better trying to have the government declare it as a public service exempt from striking like the Police/Army?

bartelby · May 28, 2009

robbieduncan said:
Well, perhaps not. I'm pretty sure we can join a union where I work. Just no-one ever would. Perhaps I'd be better trying to have the government declare it as a public service exempt from striking like the Police/Army?

Unions do a hell of a lot more than people realise. Imagine if there weren't any unions at all. You'd be paid sod all, get sod all leave, sacked for being sick etc...

thecritix · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
Unions do a hell of a lot more than people realise. Imagine if there weren't any unions at all. You'd be paid sod all, get sod all leave, sacked for being sick etc...

They do now, thanks to Thatcher, if it wasn't for her ending their dominance we'd be worse than the French.

These tube workers make me sick, I'd sack the lot and replace them with the unemployed who will work for less and be grateful for the job, that would set a precedent.

edesignuk · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
Unions do a hell of a lot more than people realise. Imagine if there weren't any unions at all. You'd be paid sod all, get sod all leave, sacked for being sick etc...

Even so, as far as the RMT go, they need a good kick in the arse.

bartelby · May 28, 2009

edesignuk said:
Even so, as far as the RMT go, they need a good kick in the arse.

Yes. They do take things a touch far.
But let's not tar all unions with the same brush...

As a side note, you Londoners really don't know how good you've got it, public transport wise...

edesignuk · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
As a side note, you Londoners really don't know how good you've got it, public transport wise...

Well, it is good, in that it exists. Beyond that I can't think of too many positives.

Over crowded. Over priced. Too temperamental (ZOMG Signal Failure!). It's too hot to function. It's too cold to function. blah...

bartelby · May 28, 2009

edesignuk said:
Well, it is good, in that it exists. Beyond that I can't think of too many positives.

Over crowded. Over priced. Too temperamental (ZOMG Signal Failure!). It's too hot to function. It's too cold to function. blah...

Move to another city and see...

thecritix · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
Yes. They do take things a touch far.
But let's not tar all unions with the same brush...

As a side note, you Londoners really don't know how good you've got it, public transport wise...

When I see a Union acting reasonably I'll let you know, until then you're talking *****cks IMO.

iBlue · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
Move to another city and see...

http://upc.*************/uploads/smilies/NO.gif

*strikes*

bartelby · May 28, 2009

thecritix said:
When I see a Union acting reasonably I'll let you know, until then you're talking *****cks IMO.

well you are entitled to your opinion, however misguided...

thecritix · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
well you are entitled to your opinion, however misguided...

Have you experienced Japanese, Swiss, Austrian, Scandinavian public transport?

If you have then I suspect you would not have held London so highly, and regarding the unions (which I expect you are a member of) there is a difference between protecting workers and simply being greedy.

We are in a recession, pay cuts are being taken across the board and these greedy (well paid) drivers are demanding more..!

Ridiculous.

bartelby · May 28, 2009

thecritix said:
Have you experienced Japanese, Swiss, Austrian, Scandinavian public transport?

If you have then I suspect you would not have held London so highly, and regarding the unions (which I expect you are a member of) there is a difference between protecting workers and simply being greedy.

We are in a recession, pay cuts are being taken across the board and these greedy (well paid) drivers are demanding more..!

Ridiculous.

Like I said.

Bob Crow and the RMT do take things too far, not all unions are like that.

I live in a city where the first bus is at 6:30 am and the last bus is at 10pm.
So compared to that, London is bloody great!

Rodimus Prime · May 28, 2009

But the response deal that LU gave the union is just as piss poor crap and I think even worse than the one the union is asking for.

LU has offered staff a 1% pay increase in the first year of the five-year deal, with increases of 0.5% in the next four years.

That increase would not even keep up with inflation and would effectively be given them a 2%+ pay cut per year.

iBlue · May 28, 2009

^

That sucks and all but I can't help but think they're lucky it's only a pay cut and not an outright job cut. A lot of people are out of work right now and LU employees are making a good salary and bitching/striking about it, all the while inconveniencing people who have nothing to do with it on their way to their own jobs. It's crap.

bartelby · May 28, 2009

iBlue said:
^

That sucks and all but I can't help but think they're lucky it's only a pay cut and not an outright job cut. A lot of people are out of work right now and LU employees are making a good salary and bitching/striking about it, all the while inconveniencing people who have nothing to do with it on their way to their own jobs. It's crap.

They're also striking against job losses

Thousands of Tube workers have voted to strike in two separate disputes over pay deals and proposed job losses.

iBlue · May 28, 2009

bartelby said:
They're also striking against job losses

D'OH, poor wording on my part. I am referring to those who are keeping their jobs. I am sure a paycut > unemployment. It just seems like such a piss-take for them to be doing this in a recession.

bartelby · May 28, 2009

iBlue said:
D'OH, poor wording on my part. I am referring to those who are keeping their jobs. I am sure a paycut > unemployment.

Yeah, sorry, I figured that out after I'd posted.

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