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512ke
May 6, 2004, 03:59 PM
Latest ugliness:

[Sorry, wrong link - I'll dig up the correct one!]

My apologies - can't find it.

Oh well no loss to the world! It was just to show how great is Panther by comparison...

Previous ugliness:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4015.asp

realityisterror
May 6, 2004, 04:09 PM
wow... people are expected to wait so long for this? maybe people will get so fed up with there old xp that they'll switch to 10.6.... or 10.7...

btw, what is that "floppy" disc in the my computer picture?? is it like a bendable cd? must be some groundbreaking new technology... :rolleyes:

reality

Superdrive
May 6, 2004, 04:21 PM
I wonder if the piles are to stacks as the Trash is to the Recycle Bin. There is too much blue, and it looks bloated. I'll stick with Tiger.

-Superdrive

BrianKonarsMac
May 6, 2004, 04:28 PM
wow it's Windows XP! and this is gonna require a 6 Ghz computer for what? With those System Requirements I was expecting a fully three dimensional UI....this is just a redecorated version of XP, and it's really ugly at that. It doesn't even have anti aliasing.

Macmaniac
May 6, 2004, 04:45 PM
The screen shots are very sad! I mean it looks so pathetic compared even to Jaguar! My favorite screen shot was the one of the application dying;) Just goes to show you how far windows has not come!

russed
May 6, 2004, 04:50 PM
arrrrrrghhhh! the CLOCK i cant get it out of my head, its SOOOOOOO big!

satty
May 6, 2004, 05:08 PM
but where are the exposť functions ;)

vollspacken
May 6, 2004, 05:22 PM
a floatin' turd in a toilet bowl looks better than that stinkin' son-of-an-OS :rolleyes:

vSpacken

Dahl
May 6, 2004, 05:32 PM
Still ugly.

They have so much $, you would think they can afford to hire some good designers.

kgarner
May 6, 2004, 05:37 PM
Still ugly.

They have so much $, you would think they can afford to hire some good designers.

They do, but the problem is that they force them to use a PC leaving the poor designers uninspired. ;)

ChrisH3677
May 6, 2004, 05:47 PM
Strewth! We have to wait 3 years for that?!!! Have they only got one guy working on it??

Apple come out with that many changes every year!

By the time Longhorn comes out, it will look long in the tooth compared to OSX 10.6

The door is open for Linux - and wide open for Apple.

A more appropriate name...

LongTooth? LongGone? Forlorn? ShoeHorn?

7on
May 6, 2004, 05:56 PM
What MS is trying to do is do what Apple was trying to do with Copland. Until Apple wised up themselves and went with Unix (based) because it is the future. Hopefully MS will take the same route...

... but MS will undoubtfully not choose a Unix (based) Kernel because they see their stuff as superior to Unix (by evidence of all the anti-Linux ads). Foolish mortals.

ingenious
May 6, 2004, 06:10 PM
this is almost blantant copying! cant apple do anything about this? im aware of the ownership of GUI lawsuit, but still! geez these ppl. this is exactly the panther/jag login!!!! :mad: well at least really really close

King Cobra
May 6, 2004, 06:22 PM
"Cattle" might just do it. So:


Graphics: Better than XP, and some of the blue is quite appealing...(thinks about redoing own desktop pic.)
Visual demonstration: Too much in some areas, not enough in others, and it's obvious

Performance: Sounds like it's way too processor intensive. Longhorn is supposed to be run on a personal computer, not on supercomputers in a $250,000 laboratory chamber designed for virtual space simulation. Talk about overdoing the GUI...just a little.

varmit
May 6, 2004, 06:41 PM
I though there was some great thing about it. It looks like xp with a LARGE ass new bar with a huge CLOCK. What do I need it for. They should just stick to what windows people know and keep just the start bar.

ChrisH3677
May 6, 2004, 06:50 PM
Performance: Sounds like it's way too processor intensive. Longhorn is supposed to be run on a personal computer, not on supercomputers in a $250,000 laboratory chamber designed for virtual space simulation. Talk about overdoing the GUI...just a little.

That's right!! OSX is already doing all this on processors equivalent to current Pentiums.

Horrortaxi
May 6, 2004, 07:09 PM
Fugly. I'm supposed to wait 3 years and buy a 6ghz computer for that? No thanks! I'll just keep running the superior OS X on 3 year old 400mhz computers.

Abstract
May 6, 2004, 07:24 PM
Performance: Sounds like it's way too processor intensive. Longhorn is supposed to be run on a personal computer, not on supercomputers in a $250,000 laboratory chamber designed for virtual space simulation. Talk about overdoing the GUI...just a little.

It may have new features, but man, a 6 GHz computer is needed to run them all?! And its funny that 6 GHz is what they recommend when a 7 GHz computer may actually be needed to run it "well". This is a PC. Some people won't be able to justify spending $2000 on a 7 GHz porn machine. ;)

That's right!! OSX is already doing all this on processors equivalent to current Pentiums.

And unless you own a G5, people are running OSX on early Pentiums. :p

abhishekit
May 6, 2004, 07:43 PM
here are the pictures of what was displayed in the conference on 4th,
pics (http://air101.soft-welt.de/LH4074.html)
i guess it has expose now..

ChrisH3677
May 6, 2004, 09:01 PM
ouch ouch ouch! I'm laughing so hard it hurts. :D :D :D :D :D

A theme called Jade??!! Which MS marketing drongo came up with that??!! The media will toast them with the obvious "Jade? More like jaded!" headlines

Thanks abhishekit, that link gave me the best laugh i've had in ages.

iBook
May 6, 2004, 10:30 PM
Are these screenshots for real? It's been several months since I've used Windows XP, but I can't see any difference. Longhorn (aka MS is rustling the Mac OS again) strikes me as having some Panther features, but it mostly looks like XP warmed up.

Is it possible there are some surprises in store? Could it be a 3D GUI is in the works, but they haven't developed that part yet? I can't imagine another 2 years are required to complete development on this.

512ke
May 6, 2004, 10:49 PM
"here are the pictures of what was displayed in the conference on 4th,
pics
i guess it has expose now."

Thank you.

It looks bone ugly. I predict that it also will be sneaky.

Since I am sitting here avoiding getting started on my work this evening...

Top ten personal predictions about Longhorn:

Quicktime won't work.

Real Audio will be a nightmare to use.

Word docs created by someone else won't open unless you're hooked up to the internet and Microsoft checks some kind of authentification code. You won't simply be able to email word docs anymore.

You will not be able to access the internet via Longhorn without a valid passport account.

Instead of forcing you just to download monthly updates, Longhorn also will automatically charge your credit card for each of them.

Instead of just fabeling your main folders ( "my pictures", "my documents", etc.) Longhorn will also pick the names of your documents ("bill.doc" etc.).

Norton won't work. The only anti virus software that will be compatible with Longhorn will be sold to you on a paid subscription basis by Microsoft.

iPods will not work with Longhorn. iTunes will not work with Longhorn. Or if they do work, they will screw up constantly.

Only Outlook will be capable of receiving and sending emails, for .35 cents each (and ten extra cents each time you forward an email).

Ok, this sounds stupid. However, a lotta stupid things have come to pass...

Anyone have any other predictions?

SiliconAddict
May 6, 2004, 11:28 PM
"here are the pictures of what was displayed in the
Anyone have any other predictions?

Yah that you are wrong. Everyone';s ****canning Longhorn. Never mind the fact its at least 2.5 DAMN years away from being done and you know NOTHING about the OS itself. How many of you have run alpha versions of it?
Someone want to tell me how good OS X was 2 years before it was originally released?

:rolleyes: Hell it took 10.1 to get the OS to a point of being a somewhat decent OS (Even then there are those who only consider 10.2 the real deal.)

Do you think that theme is the final one?!?! Itís an Alpha theme

Look at Windows Whistler (a.k.a XP) in beta form:
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/whistler_beta1.asp

There are drastic differences from beta to final and that was only 1 year away from release! So please bash all you want on XP, 9x and the like but until Longhorn reaches a milestone of at least release candidate 1 you guys don't have a leg to stand on, on criticizing Longshot.

That being said as has been mentioned before this is a fantastic opportunity for Apple. They know almost exactly what MS is going to include in Longshot. With 2 years notice they can easily beat MS to the punch because unlike MS who has to clean up their security mess they made themselves Apple can focus on features and the GUI. Apple and Linux have at least 2.5 years to eat away at Windows market share. They DAMN well better spend that time wisely because all bets are off when Longhorn comes out.

But what do I know. I see an OS as a tool not a religious experience so I couldnít give less a crap about Windows, Linux, MOS, BeOS, Amiga, DOS etc. Iíve never understood how people can get os bent out of shape over a blasted OS.

jhu
May 6, 2004, 11:35 PM
hmmm...kind of looks like a kde theme

SiliconAddict
May 7, 2004, 12:13 AM
It may have new features, but man, a 6 GHz computer is needed to run them all?! And its funny that 6 GHz is what they recommend when a 7 GHz computer may actually be needed to run it "well". This is a PC. Some people won't be able to justify spending $2000 on a 7 GHz porn machine. ;)

Funny I've run an alpha version on my 800Mhz/384MB RAM laptop. It wasn't fast by any stretch of the imagination but it ran. Hell boot time was less then 12 second which was faster then on XP which averages around 17. You guys are talking out your butts. The 6Ghz/1TB quote was so taken out of context itís rather hilarious. Think one second. Just one second. Do you know how many companies would NOT upgrade if they made the minimum sys requirements 6Ghz?!?! MS is in the business to make money. That is why Longhorn will have a tiered sys requirement scheme for longhorn. I will bet a yearís salary the minimum system requirements will be 256-512 RAM and 800Mhz-1Ghz range.


this is almost blatant copying! cant apple do anything about this? im aware of the ownership of GUI lawsuit, but still! geez these ppl. this is exactly the panther/jag login!!!! :mad: well at least really really close

Ya never mind that MS has been using this theme of their login screen in Alpha versions of Longhorn since at least last July. :rolleyes: And has used the login screen since early XP betas in spring 2001. Oh and who copied who in fast user switching? I really donít want to get into the whole MS stole the world from Apple. Have they copied other companies? Unless youíre a MS apologist that answer is a resounding HELL YES. But itís not like MS is the only company on the planet to do this. This happens in every industry on the planet. Heck I like Special Kís strawberry cereal. So do a lot of people apparently because they were flying off the shelves. Whoever makes cheerios copied the idea and created banana and strawberry Cheerios less then a month later. This is business. Companies copy companies. Is it a forgone conclusion that at some point MS is going to copy Expose? Iím betting yes. Get pissed. Get over it. And move on.

jhu
May 7, 2004, 12:24 AM
hey, you're trying to use logic and reasoning in a microsoft bashing thread. shame on you!

Savage Henry
May 7, 2004, 12:43 AM
If it actually reaches the market resembling these images, I would bust my guts with laughter :D

Why such a big clock??

ChrisH3677
May 7, 2004, 12:56 AM
Iíve never understood how people can get so bent out of shape over a blasted OS.

It's quite easy to get bent out of shape using Windows! I switched 10 months ago and I've still got QWERTY rash - on my forehead!!! :D :D :D :D

edesignuk
May 7, 2004, 01:06 AM
I don't think you could be much later with these screen shots. 4015 is a very old build. 4074 is the new build, and there have been others in between. :rolleyes: I installed it yesterday, still not up to much, but then you can hardly expect it to be, it's still not even alpha build yet afaik, let alone beta or GM.

evilsprung
May 7, 2004, 04:17 AM
This happens in every industry on the planet. Heck I like Special Kís strawberry cereal. So do a lot of people apparently because they were flying off the shelves. Whoever makes cheerios copied the idea and created banana and strawberry Cheerios less then a month later. This is business. Companies copy companies. Is it a forgone conclusion that at some point MS is going to copy Expose? Iím betting yes. Get pissed. Get over it. And move on.

SiliconAddict, thank you for being a sound voice of reason among all the elitism and prejudice that oozes off of these boards sometimes. And as far as Longhorn is concerned, I"m somewhat hyped up on it. I can't wait for the next iteration of Windows or OS X for that matter. As long as they keep doing what they're doing I'm happy. Geez, most of the people on these boards nitpick so much it's like they're blind to some of the good points. wtf. talk about biased.

phampton81
May 7, 2004, 04:18 AM
why such a big clock? what i heard was the developers were straining their eyes too much trying to see the time it took internet explorer to launch while grabbing a cup of coffee across the room.

can someone tell me what running IE on .net would mean, and if it has anything to do with the movement toward controlling content on users computers like palladium or whatever it was called. thanks

russed
May 7, 2004, 04:49 AM
SiliconAddict, thank you for being a sound voice of reason among all the elitism and prejudice that oozes off of these boards sometimes. And as far as Longhorn is concerned, I"m somewhat hyped up on it. I can't wait for the next iteration of Windows or OS X for that matter. As long as they keep doing what they're doing I'm happy. Geez, most of the people on these boards nitpick so much it's like they're blind to some of the good points. wtf. talk about biased.

well i was only saying the clock was huge! clearly microsoft users dont have good eyesight otherwise they would see what a pile of rubbish they used. i use windows xp, 2000, 98 and 95 on a regular basis as well as osx and os x is better than all of those put together.

evilsprung
May 7, 2004, 04:52 AM
well i was only saying the clock was huge! clearly microsoft users dont have good eyesight otherwise they would see what a pile of rubbish they used. i use windows xp, 2000, 98 and 95 on a regular basis as well as osx and os x is better than all of those put together.

ah nah man i wasn't talking about you directly, just the more elitist minded people. I mean i joined these boards to learn more about macs and get tips, but then when ever intel, bill gates, microsoft, or windows comes up, all this bashing and whining comes out. Really turns me off to the community.

russed
May 7, 2004, 04:54 AM
ah nah man i wasn't talking about you directly, just the more elitist minded people. I mean i joined these boards to learn more about macs and get tips, but then when ever intel, bill gates, microsoft, or windows comes up, all this bashing and whining comes out. Really turns me off to the community.

yeh i know but i thought i would mention the large clock again, you have to admit it is rather large!

evilsprung
May 7, 2004, 04:56 AM
yeh i know but i thought i would mention the large clock again, you have to admit it is rather large!

heh, i guess. But that might be a good thing. I run my res at 1280 x 1024. It would be sweet to have a desktop larger than that. Maybe a big clock would be helpful so i dont have to squit at the task tray.

rdowns
May 7, 2004, 05:18 AM
Gotta love the Google ads for Texas Longhorn cattle at the bottom of this thread.

SiliconAddict
May 7, 2004, 11:08 AM
why such a big clock?

I think the clock is a snap-in feature. You can remove it altogether and add your own clock to the bar. I didn't get to play with that bar to much on last year's early alpha but from what I've read the bar is HIGHLY customizable. I think MS is going for a do it yourself approach to the GUI with more integrated themeing and a more customizable tool/tasks bar. As for the big clock. At this point its not being created for the average user. Longhorn alpha CD's are being pumped out for developers who only interest is to get their software working on it. I doubt MS is focusing on the ascetics of the OS at this point. Wait and see what happens.

But again I was dinking around with a VERY early alpha where the bar had actual video glitches on it.

All I know is this. Longhorn or Tiger or whatever OS Apple comes out with next. The next 3-4 years are going to be a fantastic trip for geeks like me. I can currently run Windows alphas but I'm SOL for Mac Betas. I HAVE to get myself a Mac sometime this year. Dang it Apple give me my G5 PowerBook!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAH!!!!!!!!!!!

ChrisH3677
May 7, 2004, 11:31 AM
Silicon addict's signature says:
ďMICROSOFT: Where do you want to go today? APPLE: Where do you want to go tomorrow? LINUX: Are you coming or what?Ē

IMHO, I'd reckon:

MICROSOFT: Where'd everybody go?!
APPLE: Where do you want to go tomorrow... today?
LINUX: Wait, I'm coming too!
or
LINUX: We'll take you where ever you want to go... as long as you can build the vehicle.

jpk
May 7, 2004, 04:42 PM
My opinions:

Ugly fonts. They should come up with something else and get away from the defaults.

Is this really going to be coming out in 2.5 years? Win XP was released in 2001, I might remind y'all.

Good desktop picture.

Space hogging sidebar.

(Subjective) Ugly interface.

Some things never change: http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/4015_151.png

Honestly, I really think MSFT has alot of work to do. I wish them some amount of good luck, but I really do believe Apple will continue to make the superior OS and either Apple will overtake them or everything will be.... well, like it is now once this OS is released.

Just my thoughts.

All my best,
JPGk

MatMistake
May 7, 2004, 07:01 PM
can someone tell me what running IE on .net would mean, and if it has anything to do with the movement toward controlling content on users computers like palladium or whatever it was called. thanks

if you are refering to the explorer.exe crash screen shot, thats not IE (IE is iexplorer.exe) explorer (atleast in win 9x and XP) is the windows shell (like aqua I suppose), and 'finder'.
but what with the windows shell all being there in that screen shot explorer must just be the 'finder' in longhorn...

Crikey
May 7, 2004, 07:03 PM
Yah that you are wrong. Everyone';s ****canning Longhorn. Never mind the fact its at least 2.5 DAMN years away from being done and you know NOTHING about the OS itself. How many of you have run alpha versions of it?
Someone want to tell me how good OS X was 2 years before it was originally released?



MacOS X was pretty kick-ass in 1992. Only it was called NeXTstep then. And it made a 33MHz 68040 feel pretty slow. ;-)

Cheers,


Crikey

BrianKonarsMac
May 7, 2004, 07:57 PM
does anyone have screenshots of the CURRENT longhorn test OS? these screens are so old it's not even funny, i think i saw these back in 2001-2. I'd like to see the new UI Avalon or Glass or whatever it ends up being called!!! Im excited for this new Windows, even though I doubt more than a handful of the rest of you are. Sure they compete with Apple, but competition can only be a good thing, and I'd like to see some innovation in the UI segment of OS's...the current UI metaphor stems back to Xerox and has hardly changed since.

with the listed system requirements being so high, what are people's thoughts on Longhorn being a fully 3-dimensional GUI? It would take processing power on par with what they've listed to make it happen, but i've seen zero evidence substantiating the idea.

dopefiend
May 7, 2004, 08:39 PM
Dont know how this relates to it, but I thought it was kind of cool when I did a search for pictures :p

http://w3future.com/2003/glass/glass.html

MatMistake
May 7, 2004, 08:49 PM
and I'd like to see some innovation in the UI segment of OS's...the current UI metaphor stems back to Xerox and has hardly changed since.

aparantly the only inovation is windows moving towards a 'task based' system. if I've got it right this exists in win XP sort of, and I ignore it totally because its awful and go with the 'application based' system which aparantly is horribly out dated and what os x uses

like in win xp if you want to print a file you find the file, right click it, then print, with a mac you open photoshop, find the file, then print.

personally (on win XP) I find the file/launch paint shop pro, then I've found the file by the time psp is open (both take a long time; slow computer, and windows just don't seem very nice for organising files), the I drag the file in to psp where it opens, then after nessacery adjustments to get it to print the right size, I hit ctrl+p

ifjake
May 7, 2004, 09:58 PM
i think i've finally figured out what it is i like about OS X and Mac interface in general. the menu bar at the top of the screen. it's not on every window. it changes depending which app window you're looking at. it even changes within the app, depending on what tool you're using or something like that. that's what it is.

mac15
May 7, 2004, 10:23 PM
To be honest a mac zealot, I can't wait for longhorn. does it have what it takes to become a better OS that OS X? I've used the PDC version on on VPC. I'd like to try out the new version with DCE on a good computer with a graphics card.

ChrisH3677
May 7, 2004, 11:46 PM
like in win xp if you want to print a file you find the file, right click it, then print, with a mac you open photoshop, find the file, then print.


This functionality I believe dates back to W95. It simply passes the file name to the application along with a print command. I never found it to be any quicker than opening and printing - which I preferred since it gave me the chance to verify settings, which from experience, you should always do before printing! So I never used it.

It would be a piece of cake to for Apple to do the same in OSX - but they must feel it's of low value. Which I'd agree. Nothing worse than printing out 50 pages only to find them wrong.

PS With OSX, you can also find the file, ctrl-click, select open and then the app to open with. Then in the app you print. Or double click the file and print after it opens

Counterfit
May 8, 2004, 12:01 AM
PS With OSX, you can also find the file, ctrl-click, select open and then the app to open with. Then in the app you print. Or double click the file and print after it opens Have you seen how many options that brings up when you have Photoshop installed? Yikes! :eek:

ChrisH3677
May 8, 2004, 12:09 AM
Have you seen how many options that brings up when you have Photoshop installed? Yikes! :eek:

yes! I had a discussion elsewhere on MacRumors on how to get rid of them. Seems there's a droplets folder somewhere in Photoshop where you can remove the ones you don't want. Mine was a trial version, so i just removed the whole thing.

Danrose1977
May 8, 2004, 01:42 AM
can someone tell me what running IE on .net would mean, and if it has anything to do with the movement toward controlling content on users computers like palladium or whatever it was called. thanks

Are you refering to .net as a scripting or server technology?

If scripting... you couldn't run IE on .net, you can view asp.net pages in IE, but I doubt this is what you are talking about.

If server tech.... .net got renamed to Win2003, I work for the UK's largest Win2003 webhost and can confirm that IE runs in exactly the same way on 2003 as it does on XP and 2000.

clockwork cat
May 8, 2004, 03:22 AM
why can't the think out of the beige box?

evilsprung
May 8, 2004, 05:26 AM
why can't the think out of the beige box?

what do you mean by that?

_pb_boi
May 8, 2004, 05:47 AM
Sorry, double post. See below.

_pb_boi
May 8, 2004, 05:47 AM
btw, what is that "floppy" disc in the my computer picture?? is it like a bendable cd? must be some groundbreaking new technology...

I think it was Slashdot that had an article on Sony's new paper discs, actually. Cheap, as the contain >50% paper, bendable, and hold much, much more date :-D

andy.

abhishekit
May 8, 2004, 12:29 PM
heres a very detailed review of Longhorn (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1588160,00.asp)

and really, it doesn't look bad. It had got 3d windows too, which i m aure wd be there in tiger. Just that, we already have most of the features, atleast the 'eyecandy' ones. But it sure looks way better than xp.

MatMistake
May 8, 2004, 04:56 PM
:eek:
not content with copying apple, microsoft are copying sun

sun's looking glass (http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/projectlookingglass/ss6.jpg)

longhorn (http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/6/0,1311,sz=1&i=68952,00.jpg)


the only problem with that is that in windows you never run apps in anything other than full screen, apart from maybe explorer (as in window's 'finder', not IE) and I'm not sure that thing would work so well for full screen apps. its kind of like expose isn't needed for windows, yet its really usefull for os x, 'cause of the diffrent windowing systems of the two os's

dopefiend
May 8, 2004, 05:06 PM
:eek:
not content with copying apple, microsoft are copying sun



This is probably how most OS's will look as we continue into the future ;)

Not really copying....just following a trend.

MatMistake
May 8, 2004, 05:56 PM
This is probably how most OS's will look as we continue into the future ;)

Not really copying....just following a trend.


it just sucks that microsoft are making money from other people ideas.
and as the vast majority of people are stupid thay'll think microsoft thought of it all first. like with people saying the os x dock is a copy of the win 9x taskbar, when the taskbar itself is a copy of the NeXT dock...

jemeinc
May 8, 2004, 06:17 PM
I wonder what kind of battery life those 6GHz laptops running Longhorn will get... Whew !!!! 6 GHz ????

brianellisrules
May 8, 2004, 09:16 PM
:eek:
not content with copying apple, microsoft are copying sun

sun's looking glass (http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/projectlookingglass/ss6.jpg)

longhorn (http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/6/0,1311,sz=1&i=68952,00.jpg)


the only problem with that is that in windows you never run apps in anything other than full screen, apart from maybe explorer (as in window's 'finder', not IE) and I'm not sure that thing would work so well for full screen apps. its kind of like expose isn't needed for windows, yet its really usefull for os x, 'cause of the diffrent windowing systems of the two os's
Huh? Are you talking about Longhorn or what?

7on
May 8, 2004, 09:23 PM
Exposť is sorta "3D" except that you can't move the windows forward and backwards in the desktop space. As I understand it, Each OSX window is drawn onto a flat polygon and that polygon is morphed with Exposť or the Genie effect. So if Apple where to include it into Tiger, they'd just have to add another axis and someway to make it functional. I just hope it doesn't get confusing, which can be hard to do with anything manageable in 3d space.

EDIT: oooo, anyone knowtice the new IE?
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/6/0,1311,sz=1&i=68949,00.jpg

cb911
May 8, 2004, 11:24 PM
i'm kind of looking forward to seeing what Microsoft can do with Longhorn.

i do kind of like the Carousel View (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/4015_carousel_mockup.png), that could be a very good way of viewing & organizing files because you can see many different levels within seperate folders.

oh yeah, i thing The Register had a story on the minimum requirements of Longhorn... 5-6GHz processor, 2GB RAM, terabyte of storage. :D :p well that is looking ahead to 2005-2006. but still...

also, the new Alt-Tab looks cool, but it would be very easy to make that look bad with cruddy animations etc.

i do hope they slim it down a bit though, there's those massively thick bars at the top of the 'Explorer' windows, and the massive side-bar. i would prefer if Panther didn't have to have the enlarged borders around the Finder windows, and i guess that lots more people will just find Longhorn 'bulky' if something isn't done about that.

york2600
May 9, 2004, 03:27 AM
I would guess that much of the GUI is just a placeholder for future features. While Windows drives me nuts they seems to have a good idea with the idea that a user interface should be task driven. Unfortunately they tend to get in your face about and it, thus reducing all the time saved by any intuitive design. This looks, right now, to be a step back from XP and sorry guys that just wont happen. 3 years from now I have a feeling it will look completely different. What they're working on right now is the guts of the OS and you have to admit that with Windows that's a huge job. The thing is VERY VERY complex.

King Cobra
May 9, 2004, 08:13 AM
EDIT: oooo, anyone knowtice the new IE?


I noticed...the "new" heavy gray is only about 9 months or so old. http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

ifjake
May 9, 2004, 09:34 AM
OS X already has that drop shadow 3D feel, just not to the extent of the pic in a post not to far above this one. i find it kinda nice actually, just a hint. i have a feeling a 3D interface might be too distracting, or at least could be distracting. there are already a bunch of people who say they turned off the dock zoom effect because it was bothersome. i really think Apple with Expose and stuff already have quite an elegant solution, and i have a feeling they'll be able to work in other features with this same kind of usefulness, not just for the sake of bells and whistles.

and the task based thing with printing, i've never really tried it, but isn't there a thing called desktop printing where you simply drag the icon of your document on top of an icon representing the printer and it prints? that's the impression i got from it. so essentially all Apple would have to do is add a ctrl click menu command, if i'm right about the desktop thing.

Zaty
May 9, 2004, 10:02 AM
Latest ugliness:

[Sorry, wrong link - I'll dig up the correct one!]

My apologies - can't find it.

Oh well no loss to the world! It was just to show how great is Panther by comparison...

Previous ugliness:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4015.asp

Those screenshots of build 4015 are one year old, the latest build of Longhorn is 4074. The lastest pics of the current UI looks a bit better but sill ugly. Rest assured that the final UI will look (very) different than what MS is currently showing off. The theme they're using for alpha builds is just a placeholder.

titaniumducky
May 9, 2004, 10:39 AM
Yah that you are wrong. Everyone';s ****canning Longhorn. Never mind the fact its at least 2.5 DAMN years away from being done and you know NOTHING about the OS itself. How many of you have run alpha versions of it?
Someone want to tell me how good OS X was 2 years before it was originally released?

:rolleyes: Hell it took 10.1 to get the OS to a point of being a somewhat decent OS (Even then there are those who only consider 10.2 the real deal.)

Do you think that theme is the final one?!?! Itís an Alpha theme

Look at Windows Whistler (a.k.a XP) in beta form:
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/whistler_beta1.asp

There are drastic differences from beta to final and that was only 1 year away from release! So please bash all you want on XP, 9x and the like but until Longhorn reaches a milestone of at least release candidate 1 you guys don't have a leg to stand on, on criticizing Longshot.

That being said as has been mentioned before this is a fantastic opportunity for Apple. They know almost exactly what MS is going to include in Longshot. With 2 years notice they can easily beat MS to the punch because unlike MS who has to clean up their security mess they made themselves Apple can focus on features and the GUI. Apple and Linux have at least 2.5 years to eat away at Windows market share. They DAMN well better spend that time wisely because all bets are off when Longhorn comes out.

Ummm....

"Whistler" is exactly like the current XP incarnation except for minor GUI-only differences - at least according to that link you had.

beg_ne
May 9, 2004, 02:19 PM
Apparently with the new IE you will only be able to go backwards, not forwards. I guess thats nothing new since that how IE has been in comparison to just about every other web browser the last couple of years.

Also the Alt-Tab looks like a lame version of Expose, if you look closely they haven't even got anti-aliasing in(hope their team of "massively" taltented programmers and artists catch that before its released). Whats the point if you cant even see 90% of the contents of the windows other than the top one?

Oh, and I think i finally get the whole WinFS/metadata thing. Apparently its nothing more than what iPhoto and iTunes does for your music and photos. Um, wow. *ZzZ* I'm sure there are many other uses, however I doubt M$ can implement it so it works worth a damn or anything other than those two things. Personally I'd rather use an App like iTunes to work with and organize my music than an Explorer window with pathetic "task-based" sidebars eating my screen real estate and time.

SiliconAddict
May 10, 2004, 01:34 AM
Ummm....

"Whistler" is exactly like the current XP incarnation except for minor GUI-only differences - at least according to that link you had.

Really. you have to be blind not to notice the major diff in the themes.


Beta (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/whistler_beta1_pro_0005.gif)

Final Release (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/winxp_beta2_mymusic.gif)

I'm not talking the GUI even though itís a good bet the final year is when they are going to tweak the GUI. I'm talking the theme here, Jade, that people are complaining about. The theme will most likely go through several revisions, user survey's, etc before its finished and also I would point out once again that we are talking aprox 2.5 years before the final release is completed. Heck 2 weeks before release they could change the theme.

Mav451
May 10, 2004, 01:43 AM
On an slightly OT note, I believe that the Whistler Theme is quite popular as a "Classic" visual style these days. In fact, you'd be suprised how many themes out there that use this look (towards the more simplistic, less "rounded" button look).

I use two visual styles that emulate that look from Whistler:
1) Hmm_XP 1.5
2) Watercolor Lite

for you XP users out there...I personally think these are nice once in a while, but I usually find myself going back to Reluna or Souluna otherwise.

7on
May 10, 2004, 01:50 AM
and the task based thing with printing, i've never really tried it, but isn't there a thing called desktop printing where you simply drag the icon of your document on top of an icon representing the printer and it prints? that's the impression i got from it. so essentially all Apple would have to do is add a ctrl click menu command, if i'm right about the desktop thing.

I hope that was sarcasm

(unless I've read wrong, you're talking about Apple and not Longhorn, right?)