MS 2009 E3: Motion Control, Creepy kid simulator, Full Game Downloads & 1080p video [Archive]

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 11:42 AM

Alright. MS moneyhatted their way into being numero uno this year.

Live @

http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/e309/default.htm

http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/microsoft-e3/

http://video.ign.com/streaming/e3-2009/

http://www.gametrailers.com/e3/?show=Press+Conferences#Content (HD?)

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174473 (Live Blog)

http://kotaku.com/5273134/microsofts-e3-expo-live-blog (Live Blog)

Everything starts at 10:25 due to a special surprise (http://kotaku.com/5273705/microsoft-starting-e3-presser-five-minutes-early), although last year everything was late getting going. The length of the show is expected to be around 95 minutes (35 mins longer than Nintendo, 25 mins shorter than Sony) (http://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1991858673).

Giantbomb guys are saying that banners with Splinter Cell: Conviction are sprouting up saying "Only on Xbox" and Hulu on 360 talk has been heating up (though it was shot down? (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174460)). "Musical" (http://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1985314675) opening likely to be Rock Band Beatles, and MW2 (http://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1991570121) likely to play a big role in the show.

Then there is the heavily rumored 360 motion controller (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23604), Forza 3 (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/30/rumor-forza-3-making-an-appearance-at-e3-2009/), and more Halo: ODST (http://kotaku.com/5273230/the-cast-of-halo-3-odst) and of course, Zune HD. (http://gizmodo.com/5270945/zune-hd-is-real-has-multitouch-web-browsing-oled-screen-and-hd-video)

YAY! E3 is back!

2nyRiggz

Jun 1, 2009, 11:48 AM

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 11:54 AM

If they don't show some gameplay on Alan Wake I will be disappointed.

I hope they focus on exclusive than multiplatform games this time around..and please don't let some old PS3 game be the highlight of the conference.

Bless

ie. MGS4? ;)

EA/Ubi are having their conferences after MS, so maybe they show Mass Effect 2/Ass. Creed 2 at the MS show they give more details after in the developers conferences?

Crecente from Kotaku just mentioned that Halo Reach, Alan Wake, and Forza 3 all have achievement pages? edit: more on that http://kotaku.com/5273976/achievements-reveal-halo-reach-joy-ride-shadow-complex-and-more

2nyRiggz

Jun 1, 2009, 12:09 PM

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 12:43 PM

^
Well I own all three consoles and I'm looking forward to MS conference but if they focus on MGS4 I'll be disappointed...I want new games man!:D:p

I'm interested in Mass Effect 2 but AssCreed;) was boring and I'm not really looking forward to the sequel unless I see some improvements.

Bless

Well there is rumored to be the expansion pack thinggy with MGS4 on 360, if it's real. Left 4 Dead 2 supposed to be shown as well (why the hell does Valve need that?)

Not to mention super-secret, apparently mind blowing XBLA game to be unveiled at the conference (according to David Ellis at 1Up)

Dagless

Jun 1, 2009, 01:05 PM

Left 4 Dead 2 supposed to be shown as well (why the hell does Valve need that?)

Say whaaat? I doubt there will be a L4D2 so soon. What I can imagine being announced is another DLC pack, but even so L4D is doing very well. I don't see Valve making a sequel for a long time.

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 01:48 PM

New Tony Hawk using a board? er... yay? Old.

Wow, MW2 looks epic! So does Epic's new XBLA game "Shadow Complex", kinda like Bionic Commando Re-Armed.

CRACKDOWN 2! Splinter Cell Conviction,

And just for Jimmi, L4D 2! Nov. 17 with chainsaws and axes.

Halo ODST looks fantastic, so does Alan Wake (looks REALLY awesome), hell even Forza 3 looks slick.

Annnddd 1080p streaming video via XBL and Facebook too. wow, taking a BIG run at Sony.

Ohhh crap... MGS on 360...

twistedlegato

Jun 1, 2009, 02:50 PM

MGS! Wow. I bet Sony's pissed :p

Wait, WTF? No Solid Snake?

EDIT: Whoa....this "controller"! That's kinda awesome! Lol at the virtual "trying on clothes".

Dagless

Jun 1, 2009, 02:52 PM

Heh, MGS4. Internet is going to explode about now.

But L4D2. That's hella crap. The first game is buggy, is perfect and just needs more DLC. This seems totally unlike Valve. Some fowl play here. unless it's just some paid for add-on pack to the original game. They haven't even announced they've been working on the Source Engine!

Looks like I'm going to have some competition with my game, me vs. Epic. :(

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 02:57 PM

Motion controller looks really lame... aside from being able to browse the menus with your hand Minority Report style.

dolphin842

Jun 1, 2009, 03:11 PM

In regards to the motion controller.... much like how people have used the wiimote to turn any display into a nifty and cheap touchscreen, I imagine developers will hack this motion-sensing system to create a nifty and cheap motion-capture system for their 3D models :cool:.

I think the Live announcements (TV, Last.fm, better Netflix integration) are the best so far. Well, for my purposes anyway :D

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 03:12 PM

Someone on NeoGaf put it perfect

*fly goes in front of your face*

YOU HAVE JUST PURCHASED 1600 MICROSOFT POINTS

SilentPanda

Jun 1, 2009, 03:14 PM

Not sure how I feel about the motion controller... thus far all the "play the game via the camera" games have been pretty hard to get working. It's so dependent on lights and background that they usually end up failing. That and if only 2 games in the library use it..... guess we'll see right? I'm pretty excited for a fair amount of the announced games though (although they were pretty much known about anyway).

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 03:17 PM

Milo... sweet jesus thats creepy.

So... MS wins E3?

SilentPanda

Jun 1, 2009, 03:18 PM

Milo... sweet jesus thats creepy.

So... MS wins E3?

Well... nobody else has spoken... so not really.

twistedlegato

Jun 1, 2009, 03:18 PM

That Milo thing was crazy. When he took the paper from that girl's hand. Just wow.

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 03:22 PM

Well... nobody else has spoken... so not really.

The regular media (CNN/FOX/whatever) are gonna EAT UP this Natal thing. It's Wii-esc stuff on steroids. The movie service, providing it works as well as they say, is a big deal, as are the two Halo games.

SilentPanda

Jun 1, 2009, 03:26 PM

The regular media (CNN/FOX/whatever) are gonna EAT UP this Natal thing. It's Wii-esc stuff on steroids. The movie service, providing it works as well as they say, is a big deal, as are the two Halo games.

I think though, gamers have to eat this up... not so much the media. For anybody that has tried camera based games in the past I believe most have a bitter taste in their mouth. I'm certainly willing to give it a chance (my main gaming is done on the 360...) but demos are demos. I'll be interested to see it in homes and off the confines of the show floor where Microsoft has perfect conditions.

I'll watch it more when I get home though providing G4 is broadcasting it and my DVR worked.

Microsoft will have the spotlight with Natal and Milo tonight I'm sure but we shouldn't discount Sony/Nintendo until they've had their say.

dolphin842

Jun 1, 2009, 03:29 PM

Someone on NeoGaf put it perfect

*fly goes in front of your face*

YOU HAVE JUST PURCHASED 1600 MICROSOFT POINTS

This made my day :D

Sorry to say, but is exactly this type of user-interface subtlety that I can imagine making the whole motion system fall apart. We shall see though...

2nyRiggz

Jun 1, 2009, 03:35 PM

Splinter Cell Conviction....YES PLEASE

Alan Wake.....ummmm my interest level went down a bit. I didn't like the light creatures and episodic feel of it.

MGSR...I'm always up for some MGS so I'm in.

That milo/Natal thing was creepy as hell...seriously.

Anybody notice Mass Effect 2 was missing?

Bless

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 03:38 PM

I think though, gamers have to eat this up... not so much the media. For anybody that has tried camera based games in the past I believe most have a bitter taste in their mouth. I'm certainly willing to give it a chance (my main gaming is done on the 360...) but demos are demos. I'll be interested to see it in homes and off the confines of the show floor where Microsoft has perfect conditions.

I'll watch it more when I get home though providing G4 is broadcasting it and my DVR worked.

Microsoft will have the spotlight with Natal and Milo tonight I'm sure but we shouldn't discount Sony/Nintendo until they've had their say.

Well it depends on how much this camera costs. If it's the price of a game or so, and you get all those free mini games, it could do really well. MS has the money to market the crap out of it and there are a lot of 360's out there. If they can take the mindshare away from Nintendo is obviously the biggest sticking point.

Oh, and Facebook/Twitter on 360 are pretty big as well. People are already OCD over them, and being able to check them in between gaming... ugh...

takao

Jun 1, 2009, 03:51 PM

the natal stuff was interesting but it remains to be seen how good it works... and hey its after just combining 2 video cameras but the highlight of the press conference for sure

on the other side i suddenly lost interest as soon as peter molyneux entered the stage: get lost with your KI promises
especially when they are so boring (msot frequent question asked in other forums: "will you be able to punch to boy in the face ?")

halo: xyz: did they made this game with a "game generator" ? from the cliche "paradrop gone wrong" to the "seperated from his team" etc. this has "seen before" written all over it

alan wake: massive disappointment .. i expected it from screenshot to be some criminal /mystery solving thing but it ends up being a silent hill/resident evil clone with fancy magnesium torch effects and monsters dying like vampires in the blade movies
also the monsters + the sentence "this town would be perfect for a book" make the end so much more easier ... no not the typical "it was only a dream ... or was it ....?" but the much more different "it was only the story of a book ... or was it ....?"

crackdown: guys in huge armor

modern warfare: scripted scene after scripted scene then a lot of snowy foggy landscape + fighting as seen before + more scripted scenes + "get on the snow mobile" :rolleyes:
but it will send tons and more tons

splinter cell: stream failed there.. don't bother about it

forza: looks good but i didn't get the video making thing ... so people can watch others do tricks or something instead of playing themselves ?

MGS for xbox: great for xbox owners but being a raiden game ? .. have fun right there.. how about making a non MGS game again kojima ? you know like you promised years ago ?

personal fun highlight: "people all over the world asked about such a video service for them.. and that's why we will launch sky xyz.. in UK and ireland"
world = UK+ireland

twitter+ facebook: unless you don't own a computer i don't get the point

and what is again the point of the skateboard peripheral with natal around the corner ? (where they showcased skateboarding ?)

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 03:57 PM

^

I thought the same thing about the TV announcement. I saw the Canadian flag in there so I am hopeful.

I would have liked some new IP's but MS is giving the majority what they want (ie. more of the BIG franchises)

Wow, also

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363621

http://i39.tinypic.com/sce3c5.jpg

360 games on demand. Able to buy FULL games and keep them on your HDD. Titles shown include Mass Effect, Bioshokc, Oblivion, Lego Star WArs, etc. Launching in August. Never thought MS would do that.

e²Studios

Jun 1, 2009, 04:18 PM

Mike Teezie

Jun 1, 2009, 04:32 PM

Alan Wake looks awesome, and I was already pumped for Modern Warfare 2.

Halo ODST? No thanks. I'm curious about Halo Reach though.

I haven't seen the Milo thing yet, off to check that out now.

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 04:48 PM

Download full games, like umm burnout paradise, GT5p.. been there done that :p:rolleyes:

Yup, very true. It's good that MS is doing this, maybe it will push Sony to release more than a half dozen or so retail games via PSN. If they (both) can make older games affordable online, maybe it will help them deal with the second-hand market.

Oh, and 1080p video requires 8mbps down. Sorry most of Europe/anyone remotely rural *hugs my 15mb down cable*

zap2

Jun 1, 2009, 05:04 PM

Sweet Left 4 Dead was great...I'll eagerly pick up the next one!

Dagless

Jun 1, 2009, 05:25 PM

Oh, and 1080p video requires 8mbps down. Sorry most of Europe/anyone remotely rural *hugs my 15mb down cable*

Hey now, it's just me and Ireland with a poo connection in Europe. The mainland has some very fast connections and we're getting 50mbps in our town later this year :p.
But Sky. Really? I'd be much happier with Freeview HD or even Virgin.

The full game downloads is a step in the right direction. I'll take boxed games over downloads any day of the week on consoles but it could be a good service for smaller games (I only have a 20gb HDD after all :p).

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 05:30 PM

MGS: Rising (the one with Raiden), IGN is saying it's likely 360 exclusive. Maybe PS3 will get a different game?

jaw04005

Jun 1, 2009, 06:03 PM

Microsoft's keynote was impressive. I'm digging the 1080p video support, downloadable games, Netflix catalog browsing, Facebook integration and Last.FM.

I'll hold my opinion on the motion control device until I see it in action.

MacRumorUser

Jun 1, 2009, 06:25 PM

Good conference overall. Bits and pieces for everyone, I think nearly all bases were covered. :D

sikkinixx

Jun 1, 2009, 06:55 PM

Good conference overall. Bits and pieces for everyone, I think nearly all bases were covered. :D

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/sikkinixxkixx/ea3.png
:D:D

e²Studios

Jun 1, 2009, 09:58 PM

MGS: Rising (the one with Raiden), IGN is saying it's likely 360 exclusive. Maybe PS3 will get a different game?

It's not MS exclusive. They didn't moneyhat enough obviously. This just tells me that Konami is trying to milk the MGS franchise for all its worth. MGS went from a tactical espionage game to what seems like a spin off "Lightning Bolt Action" shooter.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8476/00000010.png

NoSmokingBandit

Jun 1, 2009, 11:19 PM

MS has a great show planned, but i still think Sony is going to win this E3. Its going to be hard for anything to compete with Uncharted 2, GT5, and God of War 3. Throw in a little Heavy Rain, Ratchet and Clank, MAG, White Knight Chronicles (and rpg, finally!), and Sony's E3 show is just going to ooze awesomeness.

I hope we get new Alan Wake info though, it looks rather interesting.

sikkinixx

Jun 2, 2009, 12:01 AM

It's not MS exclusive. They didn't moneyhat enough obviously. This just tells me that Konami is trying to milk the MGS franchise for all its worth. MGS went from a tactical espionage game to what seems like a spin off "Lightning Bolt Action" shooter.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8476/00000010.png

Yeah I just saw that on Kotaku. Good ol' IGN! PC too though.... hmmm...

^and I dunno if GT5 will be shown since the main dude in charge of it didn't make the trip (apparently). Maybe it will be MIA like Dead Rising 2 will be :(

I'm bummed I have to work tomorrow so I miss the live conference. I hope Sorny (and to a lesser extent Nintendo) have a good show.

fiercetiger224

Jun 2, 2009, 05:43 AM

Ehh...I wasn't impressed with their press conference. Besides MGS Rising, what else is there? I must say I'm very hyped about Modern Warfare 2. I could care less about Halo, since at this point MS is milking it. Other than that, the motion controls seem funky, as I'd rather use a controller to play games. Seems like another gimmick, only it's not forced upon...Yet, unless they start including it with every 360. :p

Nermal

Jun 2, 2009, 05:57 AM

Hey now, it's just me and Ireland with a poo connection in Europe. The mainland has some very fast connections and we're getting 50mbps in our town later this year :p.
But Sky. Really? I'd be much happier with Freeview HD or even Virgin.

The full game downloads is a step in the right direction. I'll take boxed games over downloads any day of the week on consoles but it could be a good service for smaller games (I only have a 20gb HDD after all :p).

They're launching the 1080p streaming service over here in NZ too, hopefully the price will be right. Does anyone know whether it's for purchases or rentals (or both)? I'd love to be able to buy HD movies online instead of going the Blu-ray route. Preferably there would be an option to download a permanent copy of your purchased movie rather than streaming it every time, as metered connections are the norm here.

Do you know how the Sky service is delivered? I got the impression that it'd piggyback off your existing Sky subscription somehow, but I don't know whether you somehow connect your satellite dish (I'm assuming that Sky is satellite-based over there like it is here) or whether it comes over the Internet connection.

Over here you can connect to Freeview HD with a PS3, however it's an aerial-based service and uses a different technology than Sky. At this stage there's no way to connect your aerial to an NZ-model 360.

Taustin Powers

Jun 2, 2009, 06:02 AM

Seems like Project Natal is only suitable for people who don't have coffee tables. :D

I don't really like this whole motion sensing trend that Nintendo started. I wonder what video gaming will look like a few generations in the future. I have a feeling that playing with a controller will become a nostalgic thing of the past. I predict more "innovative" control schemes, and more "real" 3D with new display technologies.

jabingla2810

Jun 2, 2009, 06:26 AM

Dagless

Jun 2, 2009, 07:59 AM

Yes but on the other hand, as primarily a PC gamer I admire the Wii controls when it comes to FPS games. They really work well. Just a shame the hardware can't support it.
But I can't see this tech being used for FPS games, but I can see some awesomely fun games using it. That fighting game for example or for a really kick arse interface, but that racing demonstration looked pants. I'd like to actually HOLD a controller sometimes!

Do you know how the Sky service is delivered? I got the impression that it'd piggyback off your existing Sky subscription somehow, but I don't know whether you somehow connect your satellite dish (I'm assuming that Sky is satellite-based over there like it is here) or whether it comes over the Internet connection.

Over here you can connect to Freeview HD with a PS3, however it's an aerial-based service and uses a different technology than Sky. At this stage there's no way to connect your aerial to an NZ-model 360.

I imagine it just ties in with your Sky subscription and lets you stream/download 1080p versions of their shows. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they added an extra charge onto it given how much they charge extra for Sky HD through satellite.

NoSmokingBandit

Jun 2, 2009, 09:38 AM

MGS: Rising (the one with Raiden), IGN is saying it's likely 360 exclusive. Maybe PS3 will get a different game?
Will. Not. Happen.
Why would Kojima do this? He already has the engines written for the ps3, so why throw that all out just to make a 360 exclusive. He also has a very loyal fanbase and he wouldnt want to piss them off.

WHATS WRONG WITH USING A PAD?!

I hope this type of thing is just a fad that will pass.....

Try crontroling an FPS or any 'proper' effing game using just your body.....

This gimicky ***** is ruining the industry....

The problem isnt the controller, its the developers that tack it on at the end. LoZ: Phantom Hourglass is controlled using only the stylus and shoulder buttons and it is absolutely amazing. Killzone 2 uses the sixaxis a bit when interacting with objects and it feels natural, not like they taped the motion controls on as they printed the discs.
Dont blame the hardware company for creating something new, blame the devs that dont understand anything but button mashing.

sikkinixx

Jun 2, 2009, 09:46 AM

WHATS WRONG WITH USING A PAD?!

I hope this type of thing is just a fad that will pass.....

Try crontroling an FPS or any 'proper' effing game using just your body.....

This gimicky ***** is ruining the industry....

It's not for regular games. It's for games that Grandma can play. Notice they didn't show any shooters or RPG's, just Wii-esc games. Add the fact that you need an optional peripheral to use the feature, it basically nulls the chances of it being used as more than a gimmick in a "hardcore" game.

cycocelica

Jun 2, 2009, 12:55 PM

A little disappointed there was no Hulu integration instead we get Facebook and Twitter. Because we need another place to waste time with those services.

But I am super pumped for CoD: Modern Warfare 2

theITGuy

Jun 2, 2009, 02:49 PM

A little disappointed there was no Hulu integration instead we get Facebook and Twitter. But I am super pumped for CoD: Modern Warfare 2

I bet the Hulu up shows up later this year...I'm super excited...just got UFC Undisputed...and Halo ODST and Modern Warfare 2 are coming this fall...and Halo Reach in 2010...great time to be an Xbox gamer :D:D:D

Cheers.

-J.-

liptonlover

Jun 3, 2009, 11:47 AM

If you weren't paying attention to E3 yesterday, this was one of Microsoft's announcements. The idea is to control games without a controller using voice recognition and cameras that capture 3D movement. It sounds like a dream, but judging by their demos this may actually be a product from Microsoft I would be interested in. It certainly puts the Wii to shame. Their slogan is "The only experience you need is life experience". Their goal is to make video games more inviting by removing the complex-looking remote.

Official page (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/projectnatal/)
Official trailer (http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/DA33AEC8-03F0-442C-BA95-257CB5B761F5/0/vidProjectNatalAnnounceHi.asx)
Demo from E3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-1ty0j_Vtg)

Nate

Dagless

Jun 3, 2009, 12:28 PM

If you weren't paying attention to E3 yesterday, this was one of Microsoft's announcements. The idea is to control games without a controller using voice recognition and cameras that capture 3D movement. It sounds like a dream, but judging by their demos this may actually be a product from Microsoft I would be interested in. It certainly puts the Wii to shame. Their slogan is "The only experience you need is life experience". Their goal is to make video games more inviting by removing the complex-looking remote.

The problem there is the complete drop of controller support. As someone here said, this will work on games designed for Grandma but FPS wouldn't work, none of the games I play on 360 would. I can imagine some fun party games using this technology, but nothing like Halo, Bioshock, GTA etc. They would be impossible without further control.

Nermal

Jun 3, 2009, 08:26 PM

DeSnousa

Jun 3, 2009, 08:39 PM

They're launching the 1080p streaming service over here in NZ too, hopefully the price will be right. Does anyone know whether it's for purchases or rentals (or both)? I'd love to be able to buy HD movies online instead of going the Blu-ray route. Preferably there would be an option to download a permanent copy of your purchased movie rather than streaming it every time, as metered connections are the norm here.

Do you know how the Sky service is delivered? I got the impression that it'd piggyback off your existing Sky subscription somehow, but I don't know whether you somehow connect your satellite dish (I'm assuming that Sky is satellite-based over there like it is here) or whether it comes over the Internet connection.

Over here you can connect to Freeview HD with a PS3, however it's an aerial-based service and uses a different technology than Sky. At this stage there's no way to connect your aerial to an NZ-model 360.

If it is in NZ does that mean an AUS store also? Would be sweet seeing my isp iiNet do not cap xbox live :D