iPhone 3GS, Marble Delayed, Tablet Exists?

[funrush]

John Gruber :


WWDC 2009 Predictions

Sunday, 7 June 2009

What I know, don’t know, and know I don’t know about tomorrow’s WWDC announcements. As usual, please, no wagering.

IPHONE 3GS

Everything I wrote about last month in “The Next iPhone” still stands. I expect Apple to announce updated iPhones with significantly faster processors, twice the RAM, and twice the storage. I expected prices to remain the same as the current lineup: $199/299 for 16/32 GB, respectively. The video camera is going to be a major selling point.

One additional tidbit I’ve heard is the new hardware’s code name: iPhone 3GS. I’m not certain that’s what it’ll be officially named, but my hunch is yes. I have no idea what the S stands for.1

The other new tidbit is battery life: 15-20 percent longer than the iPhone 3G.

As for form factor, I believe the 3GS will have the same or very similar dimensions as the 3G; the screen size is unchanged and existing cases might fit the 3GS. I assume that the new models must look different — newer, cooler — in some way, but I don’t know how.

LOWER-PRICED IPHONES

There are pervasive rumors that Apple is also set to announce lower price points for the iPhone. The Financial Times, citing anonymous sources “familiar with the initiative”, reported it as fact.

I believe this is true, and the new price will be $99. But since I expect the new top-of-the-line iPhone 3GS to start at $199, that means the $99 iPhone must be something else. I see two possibilities: (a) a new device, something that is to the iPhone what the iPod Mini was to the original iPod; or (b) the existing 8 GB iPhone 3G, unchanged but reduced in price.

I would wager heavily on (b) — that the new iPhone 3GS models will not replace the 3G, but rather assume the flagship position while the year-old 3G slides down to the second spot in the product lineup. I believe Apple will eventually create an iPhone Mini or Nano or Junior — something that is smaller and thinner, in an array of colors but with fewer features and lower tech specs, at lower prices. And when they do, they will promote it heavily in a major play for raw mobile phone market share.

I don’t think that time is now, though, which is why I believe the imminent $99 iPhone will simply be the existing 3G at a reduced price. I’m not even sure this $99 iPhone will be announced at WWDC — Apple may well wait until the new iPhones are available for sale to announce it. In fact, if I’m right that the $99 iPhone will simply be a reduced-price 3G, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were something Apple sold only through its own stores, and perhaps only for a limited time until their stock of old 3G models is gone.

IPHONE TETHERING

It’s no secret that iPhone OS 3.0 supports tethering: sharing the phone’s 3G internet connection with your computer. What we don’t know yet is how this will work with Apple’s various carrier partners around the world. It’d be nice if it just worked, with no additional charge over the current data plan. But “it’d be nice” seldom happens with phone carriers. So I expect we’ll be charged for this feature; the question is how much.

At a fair price and assuming the feature works well, iPhone tethering could obviate the need for something like Verizon’s MiFi. I look forward to never paying for hotel or airport Wi-Fi service again.

SNOW LEOPARD

The big question with Snow Leopard isn’t with regard to technical details, but its marketing. Starting with version 10.2, previous major updates to Mac OS X have sold for $129, and were marketed almost entirely based on their new features. Apple has explicitly made clear that with Snow Leopard its focus was not on adding new features but rather on improving and optimizing existing ones — shoring up the foundation of the core OS shared by the Mac, iPhone, Apple TV, and future products to be named later. I think this was a great idea. OS X is here for the long haul — it is the foundation of Apple’s entire business for the foreseeable future.

But how do they sell Mac OS X 10.6 to consumers if it doesn’t bring major new features? Here are the options I see:

Sell it for $129, just like previous major updates. Advertise it as faster and better. If it doesn’t sell as well as 10.5 Leopard did, well, so what? Slow uptake would be an irritation for developers who want to ship software that depends on 10.6-specific APIs, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world. And who knows? Apple has never tried selling a full-priced OS update based on something other than new features — it might sell as well or better than 10.5 did. Maybe it’s not true that people only pay for features upgrades.

Sell it for a lower price, say $59.

Sell it for a nominal price, say $19. I think free is out of the question, if only because of Apple’s interpretation of U.S. accounting regulations. They give iPhone owners free OS updates because they use subscription-based accounting for iPhones. They charge iPod Touch owners for the same OS updates, because iPod Touches aren’t accounted for on a subscription basis. The Mac is like the iPod Touch in this regard, so I think a free Snow Leopard isn’t possible.

The risk with options 2 and 3 is that it might make it more difficult for Apple to go back to charging $129 for 10.7 and beyond. But Apple is not Microsoft. OS upgrade revenue is a nice extra for Apple, not a core part of its business.

The wildcard with Snow Leopard would be if Apple were set to unveil some sort of heretofore secret new features, features which they could then use as the basis for an advertising campaign and the regular $129 price. But from everything I’ve heard, Snow Leopard development is winding down — they’re tying off loose ends and fixing bugs.

I have no idea how Apple is going to play this.

MARBLE

The other X-factor is “Marble”, the rumored redesign of the entire OS’s visual appearance. Could that be the secret Snow Leopard “feature”? Six months ago that’s what I was expecting: that from an engineering point of view, Snow Leopard’s changes would be low-level, but that by making everything look all-new, Apple would have an obvious way to sell it to consumers as something worth paying for. If it looks new it is new, from a normal person’s perspective.

But while I am convinced that “Marble” is a real design project at Apple, I no longer believe it is slated for Snow Leopard. A new visual appearance isn’t something Apple can spring on third-party developers at the last moment. If they plan to ship Snow Leopard soon — say, by the end of August — that just isn’t enough time to allow developers to update their software to look good under a new UI theme. (There’s also the problem of creating software that looks good under both the new and old themes.)

So my hunch is no Marble for Snow Leopard — that it’s now a 10.7 thing. But I’d never bet too much money on the side of Apple accommodating the needs of third-party developers.

THE TABLET

I’m completely convinced that the tablet is real. But I am almost just as convinced that it is not ready to be announced. Patience on this one.

[CherryJello]

I've heard this guy is reliable. But am not totally sure.

However I do like his realistic expectations. Too often at this time of the year these forums turn into a frenzy and when what people "expect" to happen doesn't..they get pissed. So I feel that these predictions are spot on.

[InvalidBassist]

The S stands for Sport!

The next iteration with be a 3GR... the R stands for Racing!

[CherryJello]

The S stands for Sport!

The next iteration with be a 3GR... the R stands for Racing!

He said at the very end of the post he thinks the S stands for Speed

[Dizzler]

Who is John Gruber????

[The General]

iPhone ///M3G

[Goona]

No way Snow Leopard is going to be free, it will be the same price. I think there will be features, Apple just won't be heavily focused on them.

[w00master]

Who is John Gruber????

Gruber is da man. All Apple fans should follow his blog: http://daringfireball.net/

Who is John Gruber?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gruber

w00master

[brian4610]

even though this is hardly official, i'm disappointed in what the iphone announcement might be...

video, and a faster processor as upgraded hardware is hardly a big deal. I know 3.0 is going to be nice, but for me i continue to be disappointed in these iphone announcements....I might be in the minority here, but i was hoping for more (face front camera, alert notification, etc)...All this really is is the iphone catching up to other smart phones that were made in 2005. Sure the processor speed might be different, but the rest of the 'upgrades' have been standard on other phones for years (camera, mms, even face front camera...)

anyway, already bummed out....i was hoping for a home run, i'll have to settle for a stand-up double......

[Goona]

even though this is hardly official, i'm disappointed in what the iphone announcement might be...

video, and a faster processor as upgraded hardware is hardly a big deal. I know 3.0 is going to be nice, but for me i continue to be disappointed in these iphone announcements....I might be in the minority here, but i was hoping for more (face front camera, alert notification, etc)...All this really is is the iphone catching up to other smart phones that were made in 2005. Sure the processor speed might be different, but the rest of the 'upgrades' have been standard on other phones for years (camera, mms, even face front camera...)

anyway, already bummed out....i was hoping for a home run, i'll have to settle for a stand-up double......
Please tell us what else the could put in it?

[Etnies419]

The S stands for Sport!

The next iteration with be a 3GR... the R stands for Racing!

Can I get a 3GL (Luxury)?

[w00master]

even though this is hardly official, i'm disappointed in what the iphone announcement might be...

video, and a faster processor as upgraded hardware is hardly a big deal. I know 3.0 is going to be nice, but for me i continue to be disappointed in these iphone announcements....I might be in the minority here, but i was hoping for more (face front camera, alert notification, etc)...All this really is is the iphone catching up to other smart phones that were made in 2005. Sure the processor speed might be different, but the rest of the 'upgrades' have been standard on other phones for years (camera, mms, even face front camera...)

anyway, already bummed out....i was hoping for a home run, i'll have to settle for a stand-up double......

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding the appeal to a.) front facing camera and b.) video conferencing.

w00master

[elppa]

No way Snow Leopard is going to be free.
I think the article is fairly clear on this as well – they did give away 10.1 updates for free at retail (I got one), but they had a lot less users then, and even fewer of those had probably brought 10.0.

I think there will be features, Apple just won't be heavily focused on them.

I think the leaks from the beta show features, I doubt there will be any more on top of those though. There can always be surprises though.

[skwoytek]

Please tell us what else the could put in it?

Only thing I would want that Gruber doesn't mention is OLED.

Of course Gruber does say "updated iPhones with significantly faster processors, twice the RAM... [and battery life] 15-20 percent longer than the iPhone 3G."

There are only a few ways to accomplish that: OLED, larger battery and/or 17" Macbook Pro battery technology. I'm hoping for OLED. The other question, with Push Notifications being such a big deal on 3.0, is that 15-20 percent with notifications on or off. I'm guessing with APNs on, the battery life will be a wash.

[hefeglass]

3gs type-r

^using a more efficient processor and lower power radio and components may be able to accomplish that on their own...although I am hoping for oled as well..but doubtful

[dissdnt]

Higgens Boys and Gruber?

[skwoytek]

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding the appeal to a.) front facing camera and b.) video conferencing.

w00master

There are probably a few thousand people gathered in San Francisco for a week for WWDC that would use mobile iChat to talk to their kids back home. There are actually plenty of situations where a camera that points back at you would be used. But the real question is whether it's worth the higher cost per unit to Apple, yet.

I still say that when we see a front facing camera, we see iChat for Windows. Along with that, iChat with a mobile me account will keep all text chats in sync. So as I go from my Mac to my iPhone, my iChat session looks just like it did on my Mac.

[skwoytek]

3gs type-r

^using a more efficient processor and lower power radio and components may be able to accomplish that on their own...although I am hoping for oled as well..but doubtful

OLED makes for a very nice screen. It won't make or break sales, but the iPod touch this year will be up against at least one OLED competitor. It would suck to have OLED in the iPod touch but not the iPhone.

[Small White Car]

I've heard this guy is reliable. But am not totally sure.

He is the most reliable because he simply tells you what he's heard and then lays out the options. It's up to you to decide which is the most likely.

So he's rarely wrong mostly because he refuses to make many actual guesses! He says "I know this one fact, therefore either x, y, or z will have to take place."

It's a refreshing change from many writers who take the little info they have, mix it with guesswork, and present it as the truth.

[brian4610]

There are probably a few thousand people gathered in San Francisco for a week for WWDC that would use mobile iChat to talk to their kids back home. There are actually plenty of situations where a camera that points back at you would be used. But the real question is whether it's worth the higher cost per unit to Apple, yet.

I still say that when we see a front facing camera, we see iChat for Windows. Along with that, iChat with a mobile me account will keep all text chats in sync. So as I go from my Mac to my iPhone, my iChat session looks just like it did on my Mac.

the ability to call my wife and have her point the phone at my son anytime i wanted is priceless to me....

[hcoteen2008]

I think the naming of the new iPhone will be decided right before they take the stage. They just flip a coin. Kind of reminds me of Family Guy and how Rhode Island got it's name.

[Pooshka]

The title is a tad misleading as if John Gruber were to attend WWDC.

Who the funk is John Gruber anyway??? :confused:

[elppa]

The title is a tad misleading as if John Gruber were to attend WWDC.

But he is.

[Pooshka]

But he is.
Even if he is, that's not what the post is about.

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/07/iphone-3gs-marble-delayed-tablet-exists/)

John Gruber articulates (http://daringfireball.net/2009/06/wwdc_2009_predictions) what he believes we'll see at tomorrow's keynote. Gruber first reiterates his predictions from before regarding the iPhone update:I expect Apple to announce updated iPhones with significantly faster processors, twice the RAM, and twice the storage. I expected prices to remain the same as the current lineup: $199/299 for 16/32 GB, respectively. The video camera is going to be a major selling point.And also reveals that "iPhone 3GS" is the codename for this next gen iPhone. It may or may not carry over to the official brand name and he is not sure what the "S" stands for.
Meanwhile, he offers some speculation about how much Apple might charge for Snow Leopard but does not believe the rumored "Marble" interface will actually make it into this version of Mac OS X:
But while I am convinced that “Marble” is a real design project at Apple, I no longer believe it is slated for Snow Leopard. A new visual appearance isn’t something Apple can spring on third-party developers at the last moment. If they plan to ship Snow Leopard soon — say, by the end of August — that just isn’t enough time to allow developers to update their software to look good under a new UI theme.Finally, he is convinced the Apple Tablet is real but that we won't see it tomorrow.

Gruber has been know to have some inside knowledge of Apple's plans and his last-minute predictions can be quite accurate. MacRumors will have live coverage of the event at MacRumorsLive.com (http://www.macrumorslive.com) and we will have our own rumor roundup posted shortly.

Article Link: iPhone 3GS, Marble Delayed, Tablet Exists? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/07/iphone-3gs-marble-delayed-tablet-exists/)

[iSimx]

literally can't wait for tomorrow!

all this new tech... :D

[txhockey9404]

Sounds good to me, but I think marble would be cool

[NathanMuir]

I wonder if ATT will have anything to say about (reduced) rates...

[Feng Shui]

Seriously, this guy pisses me off. Its like he's leeching off Macrumors and other sources alike to make his "own" predictions.

[SHAWNYMAC]

nice.....now that is good news boys and girls......

[rossagrant]

Can't bloody wait for this. Did anyone find out if the photo of the banner stating that the new iphone 'available today' was genuine or not? What are the chances of grabbing a new iphone tomorrow? I hope they don't make us wait too long!

[Virtualball]

ugh, more of the same. WHAT is so good about the video camera? If he knows why it's a major selling point, tell us! :p We'll find out shortly, i guess..

[unixphone]

Seriously, this guy pisses me off. Its like he's leeching off Macrumors and other sources alike to make his "own" predictions.

shhh that's a top secret! ;)

[theheadguy]

Maybe someday we will get to see this tablet. :(

The rumors have been better in past years... darn.

I wonder if ATT will have anything to say about (reduced) rates...
As long as the iphone is exclusive to them, what reason would they have to do that? Given their current iphone subscriber base, wouldn't that be a huge loss in revenue?

[sl1200mk2]

I hope October comes quick! Can't wait to replace my original / 1st gen 8GB iPhone. Really looking forwarded to being able to hold my whole music library with a little room to spare, the GPS functionality and 3G speed (tired of Edge).

Honestly, I'd be happy with the current 3G model with 32GB and the software enhancements of the new OS 3.0. Faster hardware is nice, but I'm really happy with what's out now too.

[NT1440]

Uhh, so now because a rumored UI is rumored to not be unvieled, its now "delayed" ?:rolleyes:

Tech journalism sucks and has sucked for a long time now.

[SirOmega]

I'm still betting on some sort of cheap phone ($99 or $129) based on the current 8GB iPhone. Maybe they stick the new baseband chip in it so the battery life improves (or they can trim the battery size back 10%).

[Penguinwrangler]

In Gruber We trust.

He's right far more often than he is wrong, and that's saying a lot compared to most of the tech pundits linked to here.

[HailToTheVictor]

3G Sweetness

[Doctor Q]

Without a previous release like Snow Leopard, we have little on which to base guesses about pricing. Once we hear the price announcement, however, we'll know in hindsight whether Apple has wide adoption in mind (pricing to sell) or is willing to price it like a full-fledged release and accept slower adoption since it'll be a hard sell to many of their customers.

[HLdan]

I will literally be disappointed if Snow Leopard's UI looks the same as Leopard. Mac OS X needs a face lift and so does the Finder.

[sphoenix]

How about iPhone 3GV?

[3G Video]

[dagamer34]

John has good ideas, but his timing is off. See the results of his MacWorld 2009 Predictions: http://daringfireball.net/2009/01/macworld_expo_predictions

In any case, I still think that Marble is a go. Aqua itself has been around almost 10 years. I think it needs an update.

[slb]

I'm so tired of the "Marble" rumor. Doesn't anyone know what real marble looks like? Why would Apple make an interface that looked like marble?

[Enigmafan420]

It does seem reasonable that if Snow Leopard were going to change the UI, we would have seen some leak of it by now.

I hope he is wrong about the netbook/tablet Mac. I really hope they at least show this, even if it doesn't ship until Christmas or later. It is time Apple "Tipped their hand" in this area.

[Wayfarer]

Dear Mr. Johhny Grubbersauce,

SHUT UP!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

We don't care about your baseless predictions. We WILL see Marble tomorrow, and it WILL be awesome!!!

Kthxbye. :)

[hokka]

Sight
Sound &
Speed

[amac4me]

I'm most excited about the Snow Leopard demo ... can't wait :D

[ZebraineZ]

ugh, more of the same. WHAT is so good about the video camera? If he knows why it's a major selling point, tell us! :p We'll find out shortly, i guess..

My geuss is facial recognition to prevent theft? Since people were talking about an iMovie app for the iPhone, a while back I actually posted my thoughts about an iLife mobile suite for the iphone...anyways like maybe if they came out with iPhoto for the iphone, you can use the front facing camera + the faces technology in iPhoto to recognize who the person is, and if its someone who it doesn't recognize, the phone locks up until it recognizes the person. idk....

Haha people copied me! They made a rumor from my wishes :( .http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=671427 back in march 20...

[str1f3]

I will literally be disappointed if Snow Leopard's UI looks the same as Leopard. Mac OS X needs a face lift and so does the Finder.

I agree. I will be pissed. Apple was supposed to update the UI in Leopard. I'm supposed to wait another two years! If true, this will be a disappointing WWDC. The OS looks so out of place compared to the hardware and very little has changed since 10.2.

[bigchief]

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding the appeal to a.) front facing camera and b.) video conferencing.

w00master

Just what we need. People driving down the road video conferencing.

[slicecom]

I REALLY hope he's wrong about Marble. Thats the main thing I'm looking forward to seeing tomorrow.

[joeshell383]

Please tell us what else the could put in it?

Seriously?

Compared to iPhone 3G:

FM/HD Radio
FM Transmitter
OLED Screen
Wireless charging interface
Front facing camera
Rear camera zoom and flash
NFC for Visa PayWave, MC PayPass, and AMEX ExpressPay transactions
Bluetooth 3.0
Wi-Fi N
Up to 12 MP camera
Mini-projector
Fingerprint reader
Stereo speakers
Solar panel
...

I'm not saying that I would expect all of these features at once. However, all of these features are features that are feasible, and nearly all of them have been implemented in at least some cell phone models, from some cell manufacturers, in some countries.

Based on precedent, I'd say pick 1-2 (from any feature list, not just mine) and that's what you'll get per revision. My point, however, is that there are A LOT of things that COULD be added.

[str1f3]

I'm so tired of the "Marble" rumor. Doesn't anyone know what real marble looks like? Why would Apple make an interface that looked like marble?

It's a codename. Think black menu bar, iTunes scrollbars, darker greys and black.

[benlee]

Seriously, this guy pisses me off. Its like he's leeching off Macrumors and other sources alike to make his "own" predictions.

This doesn't even make sense. What do you want? A blog written by Steve Jobs himself. This is the first of hearing about 3GS.

I don't understand how this pisses you off. He is a writer for a blog, who uses info he has from various sources to write his opinions.

[Doctor Q]

The "S" must stand for Snow Leopard, and the new iPhone is the first Mac to run the new operating system. We thought it was going to have a "significantly faster" processor, but actually it's just better optimized! ;)

[NinjaHERO]

Tomorrow is definitely going to be interesting. I don't see much getting done at work tomorrow.;)

[Lepton]

There are only a few ways to accomplish that: OLED, larger battery and/or 17" Macbook Pro battery technology. I'm hoping for OLED.Another advantage of OLED is it saves space - no backlight! That allows more room in the case for battery.

[bdkennedy1]

Well, I hope they at least give us new wallpaper and colors or something. I'm getting bored. I can't stand the thought of nothing new to look at for another 2 years.

[SwiftLives]

Finally! Realistic predictions for the keynote tomorrow.

1. iPhone OS 3.0
2. New iPhone
3. Snow Leopard preview

No new low-end iPhone. the $99 price point will be to burn off the existing supply of 8GB iPhone 3Gs.

Mac speed bumps will be addressed in a press release before the end of the month, but not at WWDC.

The one thing I can't predict is when the new phone will go on sale. Immediately? This Friday? July? My hope is this Friday. But I suspect it will closer to mid-July. Based on all of the component pics that we've seen, I suspect that they've ramped up production and have a sufficient number in the pipeline.

[paola105]

$299 for the 32gb? Count me in.
Can't wait till tomorrow. :D

[kbmb]

Wouldn't it make sense to introduce the new interface now and not later since most developers will already be re-writing their code base for 64-bit?

If developers are going to be putting in time to tweak their apps to run best on Snow Leopard, why not give them the new interface as well?

Plus I thought those interface controls were standard? I assumed that to get the Aqua scrollbars in your app....you just need to add the code for the scroll bar. Doesn't the OS take care of the rest? Isn't that why you can technically HACK Leopard to have a different theme?

I'm not a developer so I'm speculating. Can someone who knows OS X development chime in and say whether Gruber might be on to something?

-Kevin

PS. Put me in the camp of disappointed if we don't see a new interface. I think OS X STILL looks 10x better than either Vista or 7 (can't stand the Aero transparency....seriously, why do I want to see a window behind my current window bleed through??).....but I think a new interface would go a long way to helping it battle against Windows 7.

[Enigmafan420]

No new low-end iPhone. the $99 price point will be to burn off the existing supply of 8GB iPhone 3Gs.



Sort of have to agree with this. I don't get why "analysts" get so worked up about a $99 iPhone.

So this reduces cost of ownership from $2400 to $2300 over two years. BFD! Why isn't anyone pushing AT$T to lower data rates and/or INCLUDE SMS? These are the real costs of ownership for the iPhone. The initial purchase (whether it be $100, $200, or $300) just isn't significant when the big picture is examined.

[kloppenator]

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding the appeal to a.) front facing camera and b.) video conferencing.

w00master


as a class of '09 High School graduate who also attends college, i can say that without question, if apple put a front facing camera in the phone with videochat and photobooth, it would be suchhh a hit in the under 25 audience, but especially under 18 age group.

OMG it would be so huge.

[OriginalMacRat]

John Gruber :

But while I am convinced that “Marble” is a real design project at Apple, I no longer believe it is slated for Snow Leopard.

Or more likely his "contact" at Apple used him to post a fake rumor.

Apple employees have internet contests to see who can get fake rumors posted.

[InkMaster]

The iPhone 3G Sport! With racing stripes and a turbo button!

[joeshell383]

Sort of have to agree with this. I don't get why "analysts" get so worked up about a $99 iPhone.

So this reduces cost of ownership from $2400 to $2300 over two years. BFD! Why isn't anyone pushing AT$T to lower data rates and/or INCLUDE SMS? These are the real costs of ownership for the iPhone. The initial purchase (whether it be $100, $200, or $300) just isn't significant when the big picture is examined.

Why are analysts so concerned? Because they know that the sticker price is what consumers look at! Also, for the consumers who do consider the long term cost of any additional expenses COMPARED to their current phone/smartphone plan, they also must keep in mind what they can afford to, or want to spend, upfront for the hardware.

[leandromp]

Well, I hope they at least give us new wallpaper and colors or something. I'm getting bored. I can't stand the thought of nothing new to look at for another 2 years.

i agree with you. i'm expecting for new ringtones for txts/calls and like u said, wallpapers!

[ZebraineZ]

The iPhone 3G Sport! With racing stripes and a turbo button!

And a nitro engine :)

[jaw04005]

Meh. Gruber is not always right. I hope Marble does debut tomorrow.

We debated this in the previous thread, but wasn't Leopard's UI unveiled to developers at WWDC '07? Just months before it shipped?

BTW, AppleInsider has been touting Marble was ready to be unveiled since at least last March.

[chr1s60]

There are really only a few things I want to learn tomorrow. What the price of the new iPhone is going to be and if current iPhone owners can upgrade with a new 2 year contract for the reduced price. The only other thing I would like to know about is when Snow Leopard is shipping and what it is going to cost.

[furcalchick]

I'm so tired of the "Marble" rumor. Doesn't anyone know what real marble looks like? Why would Apple make an interface that looked like marble?

i would think that 'marble' in this case would refer to the 'marbling of cakes', in which a color that contrasts the base color would be mixed in certain areas. here's an example. (http://www.blisstree.com/bakingdelights/files/2008/03/rootbeer-float-cake.jpg) alot of the early marble leaks have a bunch of white on black look, which is similar to this example.

[zap2]

Sort of have to agree with this. I don't get why "analysts" get so worked up about a $99 iPhone.

So this reduces cost of ownership from $2400 to $2300 over two years. BFD! Why isn't anyone pushing AT$T to lower data rates and/or INCLUDE SMS? These are the real costs of ownership for the iPhone. The initial purchase (whether it be $100, $200, or $300) just isn't significant when the big picture is examined.

Agreed. 99USD for an iPhone would be nice(well for some people, I want the 32GB model, so I'm not sure I'd see an benefit from a lower end model), but give me data back for 20USD! Or give me tethering included with my 30USD I'm paying now...that'd be great!

[chr1s60]

as a class of '09 High School graduate who also attends college, i can say that without question, if apple put a front facing camera in the phone with videochat and photobooth, it would be suchhh a hit in the under 25 audience, but especially under 18 age group.

OMG it would be so huge.

Imagine the hit it would be with battery life too!!

[InkMaster]

And a nitro engine :)

Don't forget the free Bandicoot included with every new iPhone!

i would think that 'marble' in this case would refer to the 'marbling of cakes', in which a color that contrasts the base color would be mixed in certain areas. here's an example. (http://www.blisstree.com/bakingdelights/files/2008/03/rootbeer-float-cake.jpg) alot of the early marble leaks have a bunch of white on black look, which is similar to this example.

Hmm... Looks like Snow Leopard will be tasty!

[ShiftyPig]

Seriously, this guy pisses me off. Its like he's leeching off Macrumors and other sources alike to make his "own" predictions.

What?

This site doesn't own a monopoly on sources for Apple-related rumors, and the case could be made that it has no sources considering nearly everything is second-hand. I mean, Engadget beats Macrumors to the punch a good part of the time.

I know people want to feel "in" on the rumor mill, but this site is an aggregator.

[kainjow]

Wouldn't it make sense to introduce the new interface now and not later since most developers will already be re-writing their code base for 64-bit?

If developers are going to be putting in time to tweak their apps to run best on Snow Leopard, why not give them the new interface as well?

Plus I thought those interface controls were standard? I assumed that to get the Aqua scrollbars in your app....you just need to add the code for the scroll bar. Doesn't the OS take care of the rest? Isn't that why you can technically HACK Leopard to have a different theme?

I'm not a developer so I'm speculating. Can someone who knows OS X development chime in and say whether Gruber might be on to something

The only case where code is being rewritten for 64-bit compatibility is for Carbon devs who want 64-bit UIs and are transitioning to Cocoa. Most everyone else is just making minor tweaks to their code for the most part.

Yes the system provides standard controls but most apps that look nice use a hefty amount of custom ones.

As a user I hope to see a new UI, but as a developer, no, it's too late for that now. They should have introduced that a year or so ago if they wanted developers to be ready for it (if they are planning on a fall release).

[PharmD]

Don't forget the free Bandicoot included with every new iPhone!



Hmm... Looks like Snow Leopard will be tasty!

Nice, I want a Bandicoot!

[mikethebigo]

So, looks like he hasn't even mentioned that macbook rebranding rumor he started a little while back. Guess that one didn't pan out for WWDC. I would also expect just some mild speed bumps some time in June for Mac.

[macFan3000]

iPhone 3GS = iPhone 3G Second, since it's the Second iPhone 3G?
Ponder that.

[SydneyDev]

I predict iPhone OS 3.0 for the first half of the keynote, all about features.

OS X 10.6 for the second half, consisting of lots of speed demos - the same computer running 10.5 vs 10.6.

Gruber says he doesn't know how they'll market Snow Leopard - I suspect it will be with a slogan like "Overall 30% faster."

[8CoreWhore]

The "S" stands for SUEDE.:apple:

[joeshell383]

Imagine the hit it would be with battery life too!!

I'm ALL for increases battery life, but in the meantime there are a lot of places that most of us can charge. At work, in the car, at home, etc.

It's only when one is really "out and about" that this becomes an issue. However, that is the point of a cell phone, so longer battery lives and shorter charging times would be great.

[InkMaster]

iPhone 3GS = iPhone 3G Second, since it's the Second iPhone 3G?
Ponder that.

Nah, thats too obvious. You're missing the hidden meanings, symbols and other such fanboyism!

[str1f3]

So, looks like he hasn't even mentioned that macbook rebranding rumor he started a little while back. Guess that one didn't pan out for WWDC. I would also expect just some mild speed bumps some time in June for Mac.

He mentioned this again one or two days ago actually.

[ziggyonice]

Put me in the camp of disappointed if we don't see a new interface. I think OS X STILL looks 10x better than either Vista or 7 (can't stand the Aero transparency....seriously, why do I want to see a window behind my current window bleed through??).....but I think a new interface would go a long way to helping it battle against Windows 7.

I'm going to agree with you here. With Snow Leopard and Windows 7 both coming out around the same timeframe, and based on the fact both of them are less feature based, OS X is going to need something to 1-up Windows.

[Pika]

It's the iPhone 3G Z !

[joeshell383]

So, looks like he hasn't even mentioned that macbook rebranding rumor he started a little while back. Guess that one didn't pan out for WWDC. I would also expect just some mild speed bumps some time in June for Mac.

The MB rebranding makes sense. Perhaps the following:

MB (Current white MB)- $999
13" MBP (Current second tier Alu MB, up to 500GB HDD, possibly with some of the missing features of current MBPs, like discrete graphics) - $1499
15" MBP (Current 15" MBP) - $1999 (possibly $1799)
17" MBP (Current 17" MBP) - $2799 (possibly $2499 or $1999)

Potentially other improvements to MBPs as well.

[Eidorian]

Snow Leopard sounds good for August. Lets wrap it up.

[Idle]

as a class of '09 High School graduate who also attends college, i can say that without question, if apple put a front facing camera in the phone with videochat and photobooth, it would be suchhh a hit in the under 25 audience, but especially under 18 age group.

OMG it would be so huge.
Everyone knows that texting while driving/walking can cause all kinds of problems...but boy, if this hits the market, we ain't seen nothin' yet :eek:

[Saladinos]

I agree on the lack of notice for developers to update their applications (I've held this position for a long time), but then, since the emphasis with Snow Leopard is on Cocoa apps, there will be very little custom UI element drawing code that needs to be changed. Cocoa will handle most of the conversion for free, although results may not look that great.

I'm less enthusiastic about the 3GS. It's another minor update to the iPhone addressing few issues and bringing very little new to the table in terms of features or experiences. I also hope that Apple can enforce AppStore requirements to make sure the new power gets exploited fully. But then, due to Apple's inability to create a mobile platform that runs one third party app at a time reliably, I imagine most will use the additional performance just for current applications without lags and reboots.

I'm really considering keeping my 3G and switching my contract phone to a Pre. Apple aren't doing all that much to keep my custom.

[Mind The Mac]

The MB rebranding makes sense. I could see the following:

MB (Current white MB)- $999
13" MBP (Current second tier Alu MB, up to 500GB HDD, possibly with some of the missing features of current MBPs, like discrete graphics) - $1499
15" MBP (Current 15" MBP) - $1999 (possibly $1799)
17" MBP (Current 17" MBP) - $2799 (possibly $2499 or $1999)

Potentially other improvements to MBPs as well.

Interesting thought about the 13" MB becoming an MBP - but what happened to all those 10" screens Apple allegedly ordered? I wonder if we will see the MBA range increased to add a 10" MBA to head off some of the Netbook frenzy!

[Idle]

Seriously, this guy pisses me off. Its like he's leeching off Macrumors and other sources alike to make his "own" predictions.
No site can really take credit for "breaking" a rumor/prediction, unless it's a fact, in which case it's not a rumor/prediction anymore. And I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of those who read Daring Fireball are well aware of sites like MacRumors and AppleInsider.

[str1f3]

The MB rebranding makes sense. I could see the following:

MB (Current white MB)- $999
13" MBP (Current second tier Alu MB, up to 500GB HDD, possibly with some of the missing features of current MBPs, like discrete graphics) - $1499
15" MBP (Current 15" MBP) - $1999 (possibly $1799)
17" MBP (Current 17" MBP) - $2799 (possibly $2499 or $1999)

Potentially other improvements to MBPs as well.

I would definitely like a discrete card in the high end 13".

[casmith07]

What about an iPhone 3GSTT for twin turbo? I could run it at 7psi and get sick boost:cool:

[localoid]

Personally, I'm still waiting for those "top secret" features of Leopard to be revealed.

[zedsdead]

Personally, I'm still waiting for those "top secret" features of Leopard to be revealed.

Apparently it was Stacks.

[Angelchild]

iPhone 3GS

The "S" is SHOOT!!

[localoid]

Apparently it was Stacks.

I think there's some secret functions still hidden in the Leopard grass wallpaper just waiting to be unleashed.

[Voidness]

Apparently it was Stacks.
And the new Finder.

[Tricky_Trav]

I'm not a developer, but what I know about OS X and it's user interface, most apps would not have to be re-written, because the theme elements are handled by OS X itself (currently in Extras.rsrc on PowerPC machines, and Extras2.rsrc on Intel based Macs) so all Apple would have to do is implement the changes and they would take place system wide, though some minor changes may need to be made to certain 3rd party apps for a more fluid experience. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, because like I said I am not a developer myself. As far as the new iPhone (which I doubt will be called 3GS, too similar to iPhone 3G and could easily be confused), it will mostly be under-the-hood changes - faster processor, more RAM, the current 8 GB and 16 GB price point models will be 16 and 32 GB, respectively, video recording (though doubtful a front-facing camera, though possible), better battery life, matte finish on back, pretty much every reliable rumor than has been published about it, it will have. The lower priced model is probably real, but will be like what they did with the new MacBooks - sell the previous model for a lower price, but no major features. So the $99 or $149 model will just be the current model with maybe an extra feature or two.

About Gruber, I think since he allegedly knows so much inside Apple he should be christened MacGruber :D

[Claypidgeon]

The "S" could stand for "Sensor(s)". Similar naming convention to the Garmin GPS'. We know of the compass sensor, maybe there's more?

[Tricky_Trav]

Personally, I'm still waiting for those "top secret" features of Leopard to be revealed.

I keep thinking about that as well. I honestly believe Apple's original intent was to have the marble theme or some earlier version of it ready for Leopard, but with the first iPhone's release having already pushed it back by a good four months they couldn't afford to delay it anymore, and so it was scrapped at the last minute.

[PlaceofDis]

the thing i like about Gruber is that he is pretty level headed in his predictions, and very much grounded in reality.

[applecultvictim]

the thing i like about Gruber is that he is pretty level headed in his predictions, and very much grounded in reality.

yeah but he didn't really predict anything this time around, just the new iPhone specs we already know about.

[BohoTrash]

Yuk, I don't want a black menu bar. In fact I've only been a Mac and iPhone user for about a year so I am not bored with the OS X UI. I actually like the way it looks right now, though I can understand why longer term users want a change. I just baulk at the idea of Mac OS looking anywhere even remotely Windows-ish, even in the desperate case of implementing merely more black elements into the interface.

Eagerly awaiting final details on iPhone 3 though. Roll on tomorrow!

[Excellerator]

iPhone 3GS = 3G Second Generation

[Feng Shui]

This doesn't even make sense. What do you want? A blog written by Steve Jobs himself. This is the first of hearing about 3GS.

I don't understand how this pisses you off. He is a writer for a blog, who uses info he has from various sources to write his opinions.

The fact that he does not credit or cite the sources he use is disrespectful. It sounds like he is taking credit for making a summary of predictions/rumours made by other people. If you fail to understand what I wrote, then you need serious help.

[wizard]

Really the forums and rumor sites have been a little to quite especially the weekend before. New iPhones are expected immediately but yet there has been very little in the way of solid leaks. Sad.

As to the low end machine I expect that this will be a reworked model to allow even lower pricing. I could see them making it a 3G only device with no WiFi or GPS support. Plus they might find it useful to update the SoC to something a bit faster. Of course if iPhone OS 3:0 takes care of the speed issue maybe they will keep the processor. It is just that they could reduce the digital circuitry to a single module.

In any event i'm hopeful that we will see the fruits of PA Semis labor. I know many don't think they have had the time yet but I suspect they where well along before Apple bought them out. In the back of my mind though I don't see them working on iPhone chips, to many commodity solutions there. I see bigger products as their reason for being brought into the fold.

As to Snow Leopard I kinda wish it was ready now. The hope hear is that it will come with accelerated drivers for video playback on my early 2008 MBP. I want some OpenCL goodness to hold me over until my next hardware update.

Speaking of which if Apple gets Snow Leopard right they won't have much of a problem selling it. By right I mean OpenCL support for legacy hardware. Also things like accelerated video playback and an overall more responsive machine. Based on what I've heard there is enough there to make for much happiness.

I have to wonder how stuffed the pipes will be tomorrow when I go to download the new stuff.


Dave

[Pain]

iPhone 3G-S.

New. Efficient. Fast.
Right in the palm of your hands.

Do everything from your iPhone, but more.

[wizard]

The fact that he does not credit or cite the sources he uses is disrespectful.

I can't believe you said that. How do you expect blogs or rumor sites to operate if they disclose their sources? It is just silly to expect that and at the same time expect to find any sort of prerelease info on the Internet.

It sounds more like he is taking credit for all these predictions he is making. If you fail to understand what I wrote, then you need serious help.

I'm not sure what you are after here. If you can't follow the pretty clear chain of info development then you have problems.


Dave

[w00master]

as a class of '09 High School graduate who also attends college, i can say that without question, if apple put a front facing camera in the phone with videochat and photobooth, it would be suchhh a hit in the under 25 audience, but especially under 18 age group.

OMG it would be so huge.

LOL, it's probably why I don't get it (as I'm over 35). Then again, with AT&T's INCREDIBLE 3G network (note the sarcasm there), I just cannot see this happening. However, I've been wrong so many times in predicting what Apple will do, so who knows... :)

w00master

[shiftmx05]

i agree with you. i'm expecting for new ringtones for txts/calls and like u said, wallpapers!



I believe he was talking about Snow Leopard, not the new iPhone lol

[w00master]

iPhone 3GS = iPhone 3G Second, since it's the Second iPhone 3G?
Ponder that.

When I saw iPhone 3GS on Gruber's site, I actually thought of the Apple IIgs. Maybe Woz will show up? :eek:

LOL, probably not.

w00master

[rw3]

As long as the iphone is exclusive to them, what reason would they have to do that? Given their current iphone subscriber base, wouldn't that be a huge loss in revenue?

If you can drop rates and gain 20-25% more subscribers, you'll end up making more profit. It's all based on volume.

Say you have 100 subscribers that pay $10/month. If you can do 250 subscribers at $5, you've made up for the drop in cost by having more customers. The biggest complaint I here is the pricing of AT&T plans, not the cost of the phone. $150 for unlimited everything is a bit extreme if you ask me.

I just hope Tethering is included, say in the $30 Data Plan, $20 Data Plan would come without it.

[paduck]

Let's hope that the iPhone 3GS isn't like the Apple ][GS - aka, the end of the line...

but it was a nice little computer.

EDIT: Seems like I'm not the only one who noticed this. Teach me to read all the comments first!

[marold280]

I'm really annoyed about marble. I LOVE the look of garageband 09.
If OS X looked that good it would be insane.

[bruinsrme]

Based on what I see around here, when apple announces a speed bump people get all excited and need a cigarette after they hear of the news.

My prediction is apple will make a huge deal on video recording since the iphone will be the first phone to record video:rolleyes:
They'll show off couple other cell phone firsts, like MMS and copy and paste.

I am definitely on the edge of my seat

[StuddedLeather]

Tomorrow is finally a few hours away:apple:

[cualexander]

I personally can't wait until there is a huge line tomorrow. At the sprint store with everyone returning their Pre. hahaha :)

Seriously, the only thing I know is that Apple consistently surprises me and whatever they do tomorrow I know it's going to be great and its going to put the nail in Pre's coffin.

3.0 is going to bring landscape keyboard to Text messaging and emails. Now you compare the iPhone landscape keyboard to the Pre's portrait keyboard and tell me which is easier. There is absolutely no comparison that the iPhone wins this fight. The keys in landscape are so much bigger than the Pre's portait-only keyboard.

[w00master]

Let's hope that the iPhone 3GS isn't like the Apple ][GS - aka, the end of the line...

but it was a nice little computer.

EDIT: Seems like I'm not the only one who noticed this. Teach me to read all the comments first!

Man, I loved my Apple IIgs. Then again, I still have it, and it still works beautifully! :)

Nothin' quite like playing the IIgs version of Bard's Tale. Ahhh... the golden years.

w00master

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

i think...if everyones predictions are true - i'm skipping and saving my money from snow leopard. :(

[kainjow]

3.0 is going to bring landscape keyboard to Text messaging and emails. Now you compare the iPhone landscape keyboard to the Pre's portrait keyboard and tell me which is easier. There is absolutely no comparison that the iPhone wins this fight. The keys in landscape are so much bigger than the Pre's portait-only keyboard.

Landscape mode for texting is really nice. Makes it easier to text while driving (:eek:) ;)

[bruinsrme]

3.0 is going to bring landscape keyboard to Text messaging and emails. Now you compare the iPhone landscape keyboard to the Pre's portrait keyboard and tell me which is easier. There is absolutely no comparison that the iPhone wins this fight. The keys in landscape are so much bigger than the Pre's portait-only keyboard.

landscape hasn't been available? hmmmm

[DotCom2]

Could the "S" stand for "Solar"?
Could a solar chip increase the battery by 15-20% ?
Could the hidden meaning of the banner wording "Light-Years ahead" mean...Light=sun=solar=iPhone 3gS??
Whattaya think?
:confused:

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

Really the forums and rumor sites have been a little to quite especially the weekend before. New iPhones are expected immediately but yet there has been very little in the way of solid leaks. Sad.

As to the low end machine I expect that this will be a reworked model to allow even lower pricing. I could see them making it a 3G only device with no WiFi or GPS support. Plus they might find it useful to update the SoC to something a bit faster. Of course if iPhone OS 3:0 takes care of the speed issue maybe they will keep the processor. It is just that they could reduce the digital circuitry to a single module.

In any event i'm hopeful that we will see the fruits of PA Semis labor. I know many don't think they have had the time yet but I suspect they where well along before Apple bought them out. In the back of my mind though I don't see them working on iPhone chips, to many commodity solutions there. I see bigger products as their reason for being brought into the fold.

As to Snow Leopard I kinda wish it was ready now. The hope hear is that it will come with accelerated drivers for video playback on my early 2008 MBP. I want some OpenCL goodness to hold me over until my next hardware update.

Speaking of which if Apple gets Snow Leopard right they won't have much of a problem selling it. By right I mean OpenCL support for legacy hardware. Also things like accelerated video playback and an overall more responsive machine. Based on what I've heard there is enough there to make for much happiness.

I have to wonder how stuffed the pipes will be tomorrow when I go to download the new stuff.


Dave

quiet because nothing much to get too excited about. we basically know the overall big picture of what to expect...and it's really not much to be excited about. sadly. hopefully, apple has something more to bring to the table.

[kainjow]

landscape hasn't been available? hmmmm

In the 3.0 betas it is.

[kloppenator]

Imagine the hit it would be with battery life too!!

battery life already blows, so thats why we charge our phones in class!

[Ben Logan]

I, too, am most interest in Snow Leopard. I like the idea of a speed bump for my "older" iMac (white 17" Core 2 duo). Most excited about possible retirement of 10 year old aqua interface. Wish beautiful iPhone gui were ported to OSX.

[jaw04005]

I'm most excited about Snow Leopard. Although, I don't really know why (it's not like as a consumer I know exactly what I'm getting).

It's unusual that nothing big has really leaked. Either Apple has really clamped down on leaks or tomorrow's keynote is going to somewhat of a dud.

[WannaGoMac]

Faster CPU, longer battery life, and CHEAPER ATT plans would be a HUGE upgrade and would likely get me to buy one finally

[shen]

The fact that he does not credit or cite the sources he use is disrespectful. It sounds like he is taking credit for making a summary of predictions/rumours made by other people. If you fail to understand what I wrote, then you need serious help.

Facepalm: because explaining how dumb what you just said is in actual words just isn't possible....

[kloppenator]

LOL, it's probably why I don't get it (as I'm over 35). Then again, with AT&T's INCREDIBLE 3G network (note the sarcasm there), I just cannot see this happening. However, I've been wrong so many times in predicting what Apple will do, so who knows... :)

w00master

you dont need internet for photobooth. On phone app. in class. at lunch. easyyyy

[fleshman03]

The S stands for Sport!

The next iteration with be a 3GR... the R stands for Racing!

Oh G-d. Here we go.

iPhone 3gS
iPhone 3gLE
iPhone 3gGT
iPhone 3gXLE

Any more?

[QCassidy352]

the reason I doubt the video calls is AT&T. Their network is clearly laboring under the strain of 15 million iphones as-is - just look at their data rates and their refusal to allow sling player over their network. With the new iphone, they'll have even more 3G customers. Adding video calls to that load would not be a good thing.

[Pika]

iPhone 3G "Super"

[NathanCH]

If Marble isn't coming for this version, how do they expect to sell Snow Leopard without any visual tweaks for the average joe. My mom doesn't care about Open CL or 16TB of theoretical ram. Hard sell even for me.

[w00master]

iPhone 3G "Super"

LOL. Is it now the "Super" era? Didn't we just leave the "Power" era?
:p

[DotCom2]

LOL. Is it now the "Super" era? Didn't we just leave the "Power" era?
:p


3G "Solar"

[brendan09]

Out of all the last-minute rumors and all the news the past few days, one detail has been seemingly overlooked for the past week or so. Will 3.0 be released tomorrow? Is the current rumor / belief that it will or won't be released? Really looking forward to it!

[zw-gator]

All I want is updated MacBooks...I couldn't care less about the rest :eek:

[str1f3]

Out of all the last-minute rumors and all the news the past few days, one detail has been seemingly overlooked for the past week or so. Will 3.0 be released tomorrow? Is the current rumor / belief that it will or won't be released? Really looking forward to it!

Gear Live is bold in saying it will be released tomorrow. Their reasoning is that Apple suddenly stopped sending out betas a few weeks ago and they think that it may have hit gold master.

[w00master]

Oh G-d. Here we go.

iPhone 3gS
iPhone 3gLE
iPhone 3gGT
iPhone 3gXLE

Any more?

XT!!!!

iPhone 3gXT
iPhone 3gAT
iPhone 3gLX

and everyone's fav:

iPhone 3gXXX

w00master

[shiftmx05]

If Marble isn't coming for this version, how do they expect to sell Snow Leopard without any visual tweaks for the average joe. My mom doesn't care about Open CL or 16TB of theoretical ram. Hard sell even for me.



Maybe Snow Leopard will be a free upgrade for all people that currently have 10.5?

Just my thoughts.

[Test17]

I'm so tired of the "Marble" rumor.

Remember before Leopard was released there was a rumor floating around about a new theme called "Illuminous"?
;)

[brendan09]

Thats great... could really use some copy&paste and MMS... hoping for some amazing new features, especially since having used some of the developer betas only about 50 or so of the new "user side" features have really been found. Hopefully we'll see some miraculous new things that Apple hasn't mentioned!

[Ginger Fury]

Could the "S" stand for "Solar"?
Could a solar chip increase the battery by 15-20% ?
Could the hidden meaning of the banner wording "Light-Years ahead" mean...Light=sun=solar=iPhone 3gS??
Whattaya think?
:confused:

This seems plausible. Didn't Apple file a patent that integrated a solar panel into touch screens a while back?

[Fickle Dickory]

The "S" stands for SUEDE.:apple:

This actually makes a lot of sense considering the matte finish.

[wizard]

I'm most excited about Snow Leopard. Although, I don't really know why (it's not like as a consumer I know exactly what I'm getting).

Since I have both i'm equally excited!

Snow Lopard should be a big deal for you if it delivers the goods. You should end up with an overall faster machine. If you have a card supported in OpenCL there is the potential for exceptional performance for some apps. Personally I see SL as a big deal as it lays the ground work for apps that weren't even possible before.

Of course jumping in with respect to SL isn't for everybody. So sit back and wait for the early adopters reports and the tech reviews online. See if the results are what you need to extend the life of your current Mac.

In a sense SL will effectively give certain machines an extended life. If it effectively reduces the CPU demand you win. It is possible to as iPhone is known to make extensive use of it's GPU in way that are beyound Leopard. So the potential is there to see a significantly enhanced quartz for example.


It's unusual that nothing big has really leaked. Either Apple has really clamped down on leaks or tomorrow's keynote is going to somewhat of a dud.
I'm fearfull of a dud but then again my expectations aren't great as I have what I need now hardware wise. What would hurt is to find iPhone 3.0 delayed or SL release date way off in the future.

Of course if I find that new iPhone compelling.....


Dave

[PlaceofDis]

yeah but he didn't really predict anything this time around, just the new iPhone specs we already know about.

perhaps analysis would have been a better word choice. :o

[mr.fancypants]

I, for one, am relieved they skipped the iPhone IIE and IIC, and went straight to the GS.

[BoyRacer]

I wonder why he didn't mention iPhoneOS 3.0?

Is it so unlikely that iPhoneOS 3.0 is ready for release?

[cocky jeremy]

$59 for Snow Leopard.. i can dig that. I hope the only different between the $199 and $299 model of the new iPhone is storage. If so, i'll gladly take the $199, 16 GB version considering i only use about 9 GB of my current 16 GB iPhone 3g.

[bobertoq]

As long as the iphone is exclusive to them, what reason would they have to do that? Given their current iphone subscriber base, wouldn't that be a huge loss in revenue?Maybe, but if you lower the rates to just a fraction of one's paycheck, vs half of it, you are bound to get more subscribers, so if you have more subscribers but a lower rate you should make more profit.

[t7ray]

The WAIT is driving me Crazy... then i realized... what am i really waiting for.. apple is only going to announce the new iphone tommorrow.... then we All Gotta wait about another month to actually buy one...i need a life!... haha but with all that said.... i still CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!:apple::apple::apple:

[basketball762]

i still CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!:apple::apple::apple:
Haha, I totally agree with you

[Apple Corps]

Maybe someday we will get to see this tablet. :(

The rumors have been better in past years... darn.


As long as the iphone is exclusive to them, what reason would they have to do that? Given their current iphone subscriber base, wouldn't that be a huge loss in revenue?

One reason could be Apple telling them to maintain exclusivity for and additional XYZ time frame AT&T will have to offer reduced rate data plans consistent with Apple's introduction of lower priced iPhones.

We will know soon.

[gkarris]

APPLE STORE DOWN!!!

LOL... Kidding....

Look for a lot of these threads tomorrow... :)

[hayhay]

Son of a gun!!!! I'm so incredibly excited about tomorrows WWDC...but at the same I'm so incredibly worried I'm going to be crushed when either they don't say a word about a new iPhone model...or they do and the video portion isn't part of it...that's what I really really want!!

[8CoreWhore]

Apple will have 6 versions of Snow Leopard:
499.00 Super Duper Titanium -- will have iLife
359.00 Super Titanium -- no iLife but it will provide a subscription to anti-virus
299.00 Titanium -- no iLife, no DVD burning
199.00 Cobalt -- no iLife, no DVD burning, no Quicktime Player
129.00 Plywood, Basic, home, beginners version - no iLife, no DVD burning, no QT Player, you can't change your wallpaper and you can only run 3 programs. iTunes costs 5.00/month or it will run with reduced capabilities.
To add 64 bit support, add 103.62 to any version above.
:D

[Pooshka]

It's iPhone 3GXTC, not 3GS. :rolleyes:

[omerbaker]

The WAIT is driving me Crazy... then i realized... what am i really waiting for.. apple is only going to announce the new iphone tommorrow.... then we All Gotta wait about another month to actually buy one...i need a life!... haha but with all that said.... i still CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!:apple::apple::apple:

My common sense tells me the same thing, but I'm hoping that with the Pre release and AT&T pushing for the new equipment lights a fire under Apple to release the new iPhones by the end of the month (or maybe within two weeks). They maybe pipe dreams, but they're my pipe dreams! I've been waiting for a 32Gb iPhone for over a year, I can wait, but I really don't want to.

[mdriftmeyer]

Sorry John,

A developer doesn't have to lead-in time to get used to a new theme. A developer has to have lead-in time to get used to new ways the GUI interacts under Apple's HIG Guidelines.

Apple isn't announcing the release of Snow Leopard tomorrow.

A few months to work with changes to the HIG Guidelines and UI theme is plenty of time to market for third party apps.

[MarkSTi04]

Hmm, I hope this guy is off target alittle. By that I mean I hope there is more stuff being covered than just the iPhone stuff and Snow Leopard. Don't get me wrong, Im very excited about the 2 items. Im just hoping for more.

[iPhoneNYC]

I think tethering is a big deal - let's just hope that ATT doesn't mess up the feature with high pricing.

[twoodcc]

i'm not sure i believe all of this. seems like most of it is just his opinion

[iOrlando]

it is widely known (widely meaning within apple rumor circles) that for whatever reason apple does release reliable rumors to a select few with the instructions that they can release the info the day before and right before the presentation. John G and Kevin Rose are two people which fit into this category.

The reasons for apple to do is could possibly be:
1) releasing rumors right before the presentation will actually increase the attention the event will receive as people will remember there is an event.
2) to temper expectations. You dont want rumors to get too far-fetched leading to disappointment.


So in summary, I do think John G is right with this info.

[me_94501]

We debated this in the previous thread, but wasn't Leopard's UI unveiled to developers at WWDC '07? Just months before it shipped?
Officially, yes, but I seem to remember elements of it were in the final pre-WWDC build that year.

[Goona]

I can't wait, so excited.

[jcostaman]

No way Snow Leopard is going to be free, it will be the same price. I think there will be features, Apple just won't be heavily focused on them.

No one said free. He said $59...

[joeshell383]

Remember before Leopard was released there was a rumor floating around about a new theme called "Illuminous"?
;)

The descriptions of Illuminous and Marble are similar. Apple has been working on a UI change for years, although the directions Apple was working towards may have changed one or more times. We can already see aspects of a new UI in Leopard (Quick Look and Full Screen Quick Look) and SL beta builds (QuickTime title bars). The original OS X featured a translucent plastic appearance, just like the Macs it ran on, the next OS X versions featured an aluminum appearance, just like the Macs they ran on, Leopard is just a bland gray that has no meaning as it was the simplest way to unify all the versions of brushed aluminum Apple was using before. Now Macs are aluminum and glass with black accents. Marble will reflect this, Apple just needs to release it already!

[Ben Logan]

+1 for "Face Palm." Fantastic absurdity! :)

I'd forgotten about "illuminous." And, "marble" better not really look like marble ice-cream! Man, talk about hard on the eyes! :o

[marv08]

With Snow Leopard and Windows 7 both coming out around the same timeframe, and based on the fact both of them are less feature based, OS X is going to need something to 1-up Windows.

Hehe. That made me laugh. I have been using "7" (beta and RC), and all Apple has to do to "1" it "up" is: sit still for half a decade. It may get somewhat close to Tiger (if I generously forget about the lack of a good search feature like Spotlight and the least bit of taste), but it is not even on the same planet as Leopard and 10.6 should (even without many new features and a gimmicky "marble" interface) re-establish the lead at around "5 years plus".

[Peace]

First off. Developers have had a year to get their apps 64-bit. That is Apple's main concern. They want to go to Cocoa as much as possible.

Secondly Apple has extensive examples of the use of Cocoa. The most famous one being called "Menus". It shows developers how to implement Cocoa. If anyone is familiar with how Apple engineers work they know from examples come uniformity in the GUI.

In short. Developers already have a good idea of what "Marble" would look like so the idea that Apple would be springing a new GUI on them is nonsense.

When Apple does show the Dev preview of SL Tomorrow developers will have around 2 months to finalize their apps.
you can see it in QT-X.

Gruber is wrong on this one.

[NAG]

Too bad about no marble, aqua is getting kind of boring. I wonder if they're going to switch to ZFS for 10.7.

[kycophpd]

I do not believe some of the rumors circulating that the iPhone will be released tomorrow. I work for a major shipping carrier and have not seen anything coming thru there. Last year, I saw the 3G's starting about a week before the release. And yes, I have been watching.

Also, this is my first post. Long time listener, first time caller !! Decided to finally join!

And last thing, I think snow leopard will cost $13.37 plus tax!

[PlaceofDis]

I do not believe some of the rumors circulating that the iPhone will be released tomorrow. I work for a major shipping carrier and have not seen anything coming thru there. Last year, I saw the 3G's starting about a week before the release. And yes, I have been watching.

Also, this is my first post. Long time listener, first time caller !! Decided to finally join!

And last thing, I think snow leopard will cost $13.37 plus tax!

i don't think anyone is expecting a 'release' tomorrow but an announcement.

snow leopard for that price, doubtful. i think it'll stay at the standard price they've kept all these years.

and finally, welcome to the forums. :)

[benlee]

Facepalm: because explaining how dumb what you just said is in actual words just isn't possible....

Thank You. I was about to seek "serious help" because i didn't understand what he was saying.

I think he expected Gruber to have a bibliography or work cited page at the end of his blog post.

Hmm, I hope this guy is off target alittle. By that I mean I hope there is more stuff being covered than just the iPhone stuff and Snow Leopard. Don't get me wrong, Im very excited about the 2 items. Im just hoping for more.

WWDC---the "DC" stands for Developers Conference. Therefore, I wouldn't expect much outside of Apple's operating systems that developers develop for.

[kycophpd]

Thanks for the welcome!

As far as release tomorrow, I have seen it on other forums including people saying they were going to their Apple stores and watching blogs on their Mac's because they think a limited quantity will be released. I only saw one other person on this forum mentioning it, something about a banner saying the new iPhone would be 'available today' at the WWDC.

As far as the price for Snow Leopard, it was a joke for the 'eleet'

[NightHawk3000]

I do not believe some of the rumors circulating that the iPhone will be released tomorrow. I work for a major shipping carrier and have not seen anything coming thru there. Last year, I saw the 3G's starting about a week before the release. And yes, I have been watching.

Also, this is my first post. Long time listener, first time caller !! Decided to finally join!

And last thing, I think snow leopard will cost $13.37 plus tax!

I am hoping that your last comment is ment to contradict what you said about not seeing the new Iphone yet. especially if you were saying it that way because of some kind of written contract.

[newyorksole]

I do not believe some of the rumors circulating that the iPhone will be released tomorrow. I work for a major shipping carrier and have not seen anything coming thru there. Last year, I saw the 3G's starting about a week before the release. And yes, I have been watching.

Also, this is my first post. Long time listener, first time caller !! Decided to finally join!

And last thing, I think snow leopard will cost $13.37 plus tax!

a week before the RELEASE or ANNOUNCEMENT? because it isn't being released tomorrow, it is being ANNOUNCED.

[automan98]

I'm eager to see how vendors utilize the notification service.

[Lanbrown]

even though this is hardly official, i'm disappointed in what the iphone announcement might be...

video, and a faster processor as upgraded hardware is hardly a big deal. I know 3.0 is going to be nice, but for me i continue to be disappointed in these iphone announcements....I might be in the minority here, but i was hoping for more (face front camera, alert notification, etc)...All this really is is the iphone catching up to other smart phones that were made in 2005. Sure the processor speed might be different, but the rest of the 'upgrades' have been standard on other phones for years (camera, mms, even face front camera...)

anyway, already bummed out....i was hoping for a home run, i'll have to settle for a stand-up double......

Please tell us what else the could put in it?

Other phones have had turn-by-turn navigation, FM and or satellite radio, VoIP support, A2DP, flash and java support. All of these have been available on other phones before the iPhone was even released.

[MarkSTi04]

Has anyone noticed on apple.com/store that if you configure any Mac Pro with the 2.93 quad or 8-Core processor it says ships with in 2-4 days instead of the normal 1-3 days? I wonder if we are gonna see a bump in the Processor speeds on the Mac Pro? That could be possible....

[joeshell383]

Other phones have had turn-by-turn navigation, FM and or satellite radio, VoIP support, A2DP, flash and java support. All of these have been available on other phones before the iPhone was even released.

-Turn-by-turn (via a future version of this (http://www.xroadgps.com/Maps/GMapforiPhone/tabid/2463/Default.aspx) app)
-Sat radio (via future Sirius XM app)
-VoIP (via Skype)
-A2DP (Built-in support)

The only things left in your list are FM, Flash and Java... two which are upgradeable by software alone. My list earlier in this thread was more appropriate as a list of things Apple could add, as there are a lot of hardware things that Apple really could add.

[soLoredd]

Haha, I love that. "It will be called the iPhone 3GS, however, I have no idea what the 'S' stands for."

As for the tethering - no doubt AT&T will bend us over the barrel with it. I have a gut feeling tomorrow will bring some good updates but in the end, the pricing will be a topic of concern.

[striderboi]

Quote me on this...the New Iphone box will be white instead of the typical black boxes.

[soLoredd]

-Turn-by-turn (via a future version of this (http://www.xroadgps.com/Maps/GMapforiPhone/tabid/2463/Default.aspx) app)
-Sat radio (via future Sirius XM app)
-VoIP (via Skype)
-A2DP (Built-in support)

The only things left in your list are FM, Flash and Java... two which are upgradeable by software alone. My list earlier in this threads was more appropriate as a list of things Apple could add, as there are a lot of hardware things that Apple really could add.

Future app, future app. Yeah, and we all were waiting for SlingPlayer for iPhone to be a home run and look how AT&T crippled the hell out of that. Turn-by-Turn won't be as good as TeleNav offerings, and their app really is not that great. The iPhone, for all of it's charm and likes, really needs a kick in the butt. I love my EDGE iPhone but I hear it won't be able to do MMS? And you blind loyalists will say "Because it doesn't have 3G". BS. My old Nokia fold out keyboard phone could do MMS, so could my Motorola V635.

Apple and AT&T are slick man. Great device, great following, but not even close to consumer friendly.

[Peace]

Man it seems like some people think the iPhone should do everything. Why ?

Most people still lug around laptops. Whats the big deal ?

[str1f3]

12 hrs. 34min and counting

[Krafty]

Man it seems like some people think the iPhone should do everything. Why ?

Most people still lug around laptops. Whats the big deal ?

Because although I dislike somethings Apple does, some people will never ever be grateful for any concession Apple makes.

[kycophpd]

I am hoping that your last comment is ment to contradict what you said about not seeing the new Iphone yet. especially if you were saying it that way because of some kind of written contract.

I don't have any written contract's on anything. The iPhone 3G was announced last year about a month before it shipped from what I remember and I saw them coming thru about a week before they were released for sale. I was only trying to help squash the rumors on the other sites that I don't think this will happen since they have not been shipped that I have seen. Apple does not hide the markings on the boxes, at least they did not last year when they shipped them. I don't have anything to do with Apple, other than spending a lot of money on their products. I also don't have any written contract's not to talk about stuff I have seen being shipped. Of course if I did see it come thru this year before the announcement, I guarantee you would not have seen a "I saw the new iPhone's being shipped before being announced" thread from me. No harm in saying I have not seen them.

[stownsend3]

All that I'm hoping is that this new tethering feature in 3.0 doesn't mess with my netshare app that I've been using to tether all along. At&T has never charged me extra, but I'd quit using it if the tethering via Bluetooth / USB is free. For those that didn't get NetShare for a few dollars when it was out in the app store, you don't even realize how much you'll use your 3G connection to tether when you know it's always available.

[furcalchick]

i thought the only thing that may be released tomorrow would be a new iphone os.

here's my dates: iphone os- tomorrow; iphone- july 17th; 10.6- august 28th.

no new macs until october, i think that's when the windows 7 competition will come out for apple.

[Casiotone]

I don't understand Gruber's logic about the new interface. If "Marble" is indeed delayed 6 months or 1 year, well the same problem will occur in 6 months or 1 year... If it's about giving developers the new interface a few months before the actual release so they have time to modify their apps, then I don't see why it means a delay in unveiling the new interface. If anything, it means that it should be unveiled as soon as possible...

I guess I could see Snow Leopard having the new interface enabled at launch, but with an option to revert to Aqua. Or maybe Aqua would be the default, with the option of switching to "Marble".

Developers sometimes need a kick in the butt when it comes to these things, they wont spend time modifying their apps until they're forced to... Look at resolution independence. Apple told developers to have their apps compatible by 2008... I doubt that the majority of apps are now res-independent compatible, and those who are not can have more than cosmetic problems and have their functionality impaired. It would be disastrous if Apple enabled resolution independence in SL because of that, even if it would force developers to move forward. Doing the same with a new theme would have far less consequences, mostly cosmetic "clashes" between the old and new interface.

[neutrino23]

Seriously?

Compared to iPhone 3G:

FM/HD Radio
FM Transmitter
OLED Screen
Wireless charging interface
Front facing camera
Rear camera zoom and flash
NFC for Visa PayWave, MC PayPass, and AMEX ExpressPay transactions
Bluetooth 3.0
Wi-Fi N
Up to 12 MP camera
Mini-projector
Fingerprint reader
Stereo speakers
Solar panel
...

I'm not saying that I would expect all of these features at once. However, all of these features are features that are feasible, and nearly all of them have been implemented in at least some cell phone models, from some cell manufacturers, in some countries.

Based on precedent, I'd say pick 1-2 (from any feature list, not just mine) and that's what you'll get per revision. My point, however, is that there are A LOT of things that COULD be added.

This is an interesting list. I understand the spirit in which you made this. Some are more useful or practical than others. The micro-projector would be cool. I think those are still a year or two or three out. You could do one now but image quality would be poor, resolution would be poor and it would eat the battery. Apple will hold off till there is a quality solution.

WiFi N? Maybe tomorrow.
Solar cells? You can buy a CIGs solar array now. You need at least a square foot to be useful. That makes it an add on.
I don't see Apple doing an FM radio. FM transmitter, also not likely.
OLED screen. This is tempting. It would be absolutely wonderful. My guess is that the technology is still a year out. Yes there are some other devices with this on the market. I don't think it is available in the quantities and reliability Apple needs. Next year. There was just an announcement last week that someone (DuPont?) had developed a printable OLED technology that made it cheap and reliable. If that goes into production now it can be in next summer's iPhone. However, I hope Apple proves me wrong.
12MP camera? No thanks. 3 or 4MP is fine for a device like a camera. I would be happy with 3MP if it worked well in low light conditions and could focus up close to be useful for bar codes and text..
Stereo speakers? Cool. Definitely a better speaker phone would be nice.
Front facing camera? Could be done if Apple wanted to.
Wireless charging? Low on my list of priorities. The dock works fine. You have to plug in the dock. You have to plug in the wireless charging pad. What's the difference?


Actually, I think the more powerful new features for the next iPhone will be outside the phone itself. Just like the iPod was extended by iTMS and syncing to iTunes I think the iPhone will be extended by connecting to external services. We already know about connecting to accessories and allowing developers to charge for some services inside of apps. I expect more of this.

[MarkSTi04]

Man it seems like some people think the iPhone should do everything. Why ?

Most people still lug around laptops. Whats the big deal ?

Because unlike those people I can not have my MBP with me all the time. I know it's apples to oranges, but my iPhone was my first Apple product. I loved it so much that when my PC Laptop broke I replaced it with my MBP. The iPhone got me by, but on the side of performance and size, the iPhone is limited when compared to the MBP, and after all they are two different things. I can't write programs on the iPhone.

[Jawsome]

Why didn't he say anything about os 3.0 and/or push notification? Please tell me they are both coming soon...

[sashswash]

Anyone notice that going from AT&T's website, the iPhone 3G link brings them to a generic Wireless Site map page? Not sure if this change is new... but perhaps signaling a new product release?

[waloshin]

He said at the very end of the post he thinks the S stands for Speed

And then T will stand for Track!

Srt (Street, Road, Track)

[Peace]

Anyone notice that going from AT&T's website, the iPhone 3G link brings them to a generic Wireless Site map page? Not sure if this change is new... but perhaps signaling a new product release?

I didn't notice that but I did notice this : :)

[Iron Chef]

I think the S stands for 'Second' as in its the 2nd version of the iPhone 3G.

[Sceneshifter]

mmmmmm I love the smell of WWDC in the morning!

[peterdevries]

Hehe. That made me laugh. I have been using "7" (beta and RC), and all Apple has to do to "1" it "up" is: sit still for half a decade. It may get somewhat close to Tiger (if I generously forget about the lack of a good search feature like Spotlight and the least bit of taste), but it is not even on the same planet as Leopard and 10.6 should (even without many new features and a gimmicky "marble" interface) re-establish the lead at around "5 years plus".

Can you give some extra examples, because i thought Windows 7 has this Windows Live search thing baked in, which enables a similar search as spotlight.

Which features does OS X have that Windows 7 doesn't have? And which of these are potential dealbreakers?

[basketball762]

Ah, can't wait. The event is at 10 am, right? Oh and is there any place to watch/get updates while the event is actually happening?

[MacAndy74]

I hope Gruber is wrong about Marble. Although a $59 price point for Snow Leopard sounds reasonable. ;)

[Mackan]

I hope Gruber is wrong about Marble. Although a $59 price point for Snow Leopard sounds reasonable. ;)

Unfortunately, he is most likely right. I was hoping for a refreshing UI, but screw it. Wait 5 more years.. or so.

[kainjow]

Ah, can't wait. The event is at 10 am, right?

Yes, 10AM PST.

Oh and is there any place to watch/get updates while the event is actually happening?

http://macrumorslive.com :)

[soLoredd]

Man it seems like some people think the iPhone should do everything. Why ?

Most people still lug around laptops. Whats the big deal ?

The big deal is I don't want to take around my MBP everywhere! That's like saying why make an electric start engine when people still crank start their cars.

It would be nice if Apple would stop "introducing" features at a turtle's pace and by having you buy each new phone. I should not have to have a 3G to do MMS, EDGE is perfectly capable.

[Peace]

The big deal is I don't want to take around my MBP everywhere! That's like saying why make an electric start engine when people still crank start their cars.

It would be nice if Apple would stop "introducing" features at a turtle's pace and by having you buy each new phone. I should not have to have a 3G to do MMS, EDGE is perfectly capable.

If Apple had MMS 2 years ago it would have brought down the ATT backbone.

[MacAndy74]

Unfortunately, he is most likely right. I was hoping for a refreshing UI, but screw it. Wait 5 more years.. or so.

I just don't see Apple shipping a new OS X system without some new UI goodies. It would be good to see Aqua components go from OS X. Maybe Apple won't do a major UI refresh but they might well get rid of the Aqua scroll bars etc. :confused:

[illitrate23]

if the tablet exists and isn't being announced this evening, then i guess that'll be the media event that we see the Return of Jobs at?

[Martius]

Marble delayed?
Tell me why?
Because developers need time to upgrade their apps into new look?

If Snow Leopard developer tools are released today, there will be a lot of time to upgrade apps interface. It is not so difficult...

[cocky jeremy]

I hope Gruber is wrong about Marble. Although a $59 price point for Snow Leopard sounds reasonable. ;)

Not me. I hope there is no Marble. I love the UI of Leopard.. near perfection.

[TwinCities Dan]

Marble delayed?
Tell me why?

In a word, "iPhone" ;) :o :(

[str1f3]

I just don't see Apple shipping a new OS X system without some new UI goodies. It would be good to see Aqua components go from OS X. Maybe Apple won't do a major UI refresh but they might well get rid of the Aqua scroll bars etc. :confused:

I wouldn't know what Schiller would even say about Snow Leopard when he gets on the stage if there's no new UI. Essentially WWDC is the new Macworld for Apple. Is he supposed to go up there and talk about 64-bit support and Grand Central for a half hour? I'm sure the audience will be enthralled with that speech!

[str1f3]

Not me. I hope there is no Marble. I love the UI of Leopard.. near perfection.

It's perfect enough for three OS's! There's like three different UI's in Leopard.

iTunes
GarageBand
Aqua

At some point or another they are going to have to unify this interface. This is part of what Snow Leopard should have been about.

[beg_ne]

I wouldn't know what Schiller would even say about Snow Leopard when he gets on the stage if there's no new UI. Essentially WWDC is the new Macworld for Apple. Is he supposed to go up there and talk about 64-bit support and Grand Central for a half hour? I'm sure the audience will be enthralled with that speech!

You might be surprised at what enthralls developers! ;)

I agree it would be best if they had new stuff to show off regarding SL, rather than a retread of what everyone has known for a year.

[TennisandMusic]

Is there ANY chance SL will add native support for AVCHD files? I am a bit annoyed at how amazingly well they are handled in W7 and Media Player 12. They can be played natively and look incredible, and there are several options for native editing on Windows as well. Any chance here? It's the major thing lacking for me on 10.5.

[slicecom]

It's perfect enough for three OS's! There's like three different UI's in Leopard.

iTunes
GarageBand
Aqua

At some point or another they are going to have to unify this interface. This is part of what Snow Leopard should have been about.

Amen!

[hiimamac]

He said at the very end of the post he thinks the S stands for Speed

A will stand fir share. Video share. It's all going to be about iLife, mobile me money grabbers and sharing video and otitis, share.

[michael.lauden]

Not me. I hope there is no Marble. I love the UI of Leopard.. near perfection.

theeen don't upgrade... but if you love leopard and you have been using Garageband a lot.. i'd say you are going to be used to marble. i'm excited to see what Apple has in store for SL

[Pigumon]

The title is a tad misleading as if John Gruber were to attend WWDC.

Who the funk is John Gruber anyway??? :confused:

The title is "John Gruber on WWDC". How does that lead you into thinking he'll be attending? It says nothing about attendance, just that he's speaking about WWDC, that what "someone on something" means in this case.

If it said "John Gruber AT WWDC", that would be different.

As far as Snow Leopard, come on, it's still called LEOPARD because it's not a real update, but just a WHOLE LOT OF BUG FIXES which were sorely needed. It better be cheap or free.

I still can't eject a disk without the window disappearing along with it (even if the window was showing my desktop or any other folder).

[Bubba Satori]

Personally, I'm still waiting for those "top secret" features of Leopard to be revealed.

Heh. A koolaid strong enough hasn't been invented to make the must ardent fanbois and cultists forget that joke of 300 invisibilities.

Here's my prediction for WWhatever : Unending iPhone blather ad nauseum and still no affordable computers because they are a "bag of hurt" to Apple's huge margins and trillion dollar bank stash. :rolleyes:

[peterdevries]

It's perfect enough for three OS's! There's like three different UI's in Leopard.

iTunes
GarageBand
Aqua

At some point or another they are going to have to unify this interface. This is part of what Snow Leopard should have been about.

I agree that a unified interface would be nice, but I value increased performance etc. much above that. Personally I'm not so annoyed by a few aqua scrollbars. I was more annoyed by Windows e.g. having application and system settings all over the place in stead of in one place in the OS.

Looks are important, but if there is a trade off, then I would favor in performance and reliability.

[smileyborg]

Hey all. Don't know if this means anything, but I just came across this on Facebook in the section where you manage ads running on the site:

There is a large targeted campaign running 6/8/2009 that may impact your delivery for this one day if you are targeting the same users. We advise that you do not drastically change your bidding behavior.

Could this be Apple running a huge ad campaign? (For them to post a message like this to all advertisers means there is something big going on...)

[peterdevries]

A will stand fir share. Video share. It's all going to be about iLife, mobile me money grabbers and sharing video and otitis, share.

Hey man, good to see you! Still struggling with the software keyboard I see :D

Just kidding.. I think you are totally right with your prediction.

Here are a few additions of mine:


First introduction of OS 3.0
Demonstration of new features of OS 3.0
Some App demonstrations by third party devs
New iPhone(s) introduction
Preview of Snow Leopard
Some guy playing music live on stage


Maybe they will switch the introduction of the new iPhones and the OS, so they can show off the features that the new iPhones have such as compass etc..

[Bubba Satori]

In a word, "iPhone" ;) :o :(


Yes. Same reason Leopard was delayed. Apple Computer is the redheaded stepchild of Of Apple ATT Mega Buck Incorporated. :mad:

[Bonte]

I hope the iPod Touch also get updated with faster processor, ram and video. The iPhone is to expensive for me because i don't have or need a cellphone.

[talkingfuture]

Strange that there aren't any big rumours about Snow Leopard. I guess we'll see a demo and maybe a release date for later in the year.

[vvebsta]

I dunno about you but Sunday postings are my favorite postings of all! Yay for WWDC!!!

[swagi]

Hey man, good to see you! Still struggling with the software keyboard I see :D

Just kidding.. I think you are totally right with your prediction.

Here are a few additions of mine:


First introduction of OS 3.0
Demonstration of new features of OS 3.0
Some App demonstrations by third party devs
New iPhone(s) introduction
Preview of Snow Leopard
Some guy playing music live on stage


Maybe they will switch the introduction of the new iPhones and the OS, so they can show off the features that the new iPhones have such as compass etc..

I guess you're right. And just for safety reasons I just issued Stop-Loss-orders, because if this is all (and I guess it is) and there's no mention about Steve anywhere, I guess the stock will be directly heading towards 100$ again.

[sjo]

I wouldn't know what Schiller would even say about Snow Leopard when he gets on the stage if there's no new UI. Essentially WWDC is the new Macworld for Apple. Is he supposed to go up there and talk about 64-bit support and Grand Central for a half hour? I'm sure the audience will be enthralled with that speech!

"iphone now with video! the video is so cool! look i make video call to s jobs! ooohhh! steve!! isn't video great! it's the best video on mobile phone ever! not only that it's the best video anywhere ever!"

ivideo!ivideo!ivideo!ivideo!ivideo!

[str1f3]

I agree that a unified interface would be nice, but I value increased performance etc. much above that. Personally I'm not so annoyed by a few aqua scrollbars. I was more annoyed by Windows e.g. having application and system settings all over the place in stead of in one place in the OS.

Looks are important, but if there is a trade off, then I would favor in performance and reliability.

The problem is that this new UI has been worked on for the past 3 years. The point of Snow Leopard is that the OS was supposed to be redesigned for the future. The UI is part of that redesign. Virtually everything around the OS already has been redesigned (iTunes, iLife, QuickTime, iWork, MobileMe, System Preferences). At least half the move has already been finished. Of all the upgrades, the UI of the OS would have been the easiest. It's not hard at all to change the colors to a more consistent look.

Of course I would always choose performance first. But there shouldn't be a choice. There are already rumors that they are about to hit Gold Master. Are you telling me they can't spend another couple of months to fix up what little of the redesign there is left to do?

The funny thing is we already know where it is going:
-black menu bar and dock
-pale blue iTunes scrollbars/folders
-darker grey
-black contextual menus (similar to GarageBand)

[peterdevries]

I guess you're right. And just for safety reasons I just issued Stop-Loss-orders, because if this is all (and I guess it is) and there's no mention about Steve anywhere, I guess the stock will be directly heading towards 100$ again.

Whatever the announcements of WWDC, there is going to be a decline in stock price for the coming weeks. It has been the same after each public event for the past few years.

The only thing I can see breaking that trend is the introduction of a markedly cheaper iPhone (and before everyone starts again: Yes, I know no-one in the US cares about the price of the phone, it's the dataplans etcetera..), or the unlikely introduction of a new device such as a tablet.

With the Share Price around $ 145 currently, I see a possibility that it will go towards around $ 130 in the coming weeks. Until rumors for the next event start picking up and the next sales earnings call is around the corner, after which it will go up again.

[celtikmind]

If isn't released until October, then why the hell wouldn't they be able to put marble in there as well?

It would be pretty p*ss poor if they didn't.

Not to mention how it will look to most normal folks who won't see the tiny differences in the details. Windows 7 jumps up refreshed and modern, Snow Leopard still has the "creamcaked jellybutton" look from several years ago. No, really that will be great. Absolutely awesome. Excellent choice.

Or not. :rolleyes:

[OriginalMacRat]

Haha, I love that. "It will be called the iPhone 3GS, however, I have no idea what the 'S' stands for."


Sprint.

[DonSqueak]

Can I get a 3GL (Luxury)?

Germans might fancy a 3GTI...

[peterdevries]

With the Share Price around $ 145 currently, I see a possibility that it will go towards around $ 130 in the coming weeks. Until rumors for the next event start picking up and the next sales earnings call is around the corner, after which it will go up again.

Small addition: Another thing that would get the stock price soaring would be Steve Jobs climbing on stage with some extra pounds and a tan.

[DonSqueak]

Seriously, this guy pisses me off. Its like he's leeching off Macrumors and other sources alike to make his "own" predictions.

ugh, more of the same. WHAT is so good about the video camera? If he knows why it's a major selling point, tell us! :p We'll find out shortly, i guess..

You obviously don't have the slightest idea about how information gets out into the wild. Gruber is more likely to *dismiss* rumours than to create new ones. He only goes public with information he knows is no BS. And had Virtualball read daringfireball.net for some time he'd have known about the "selling point" stuff, namely that it will be a PR decision by Apple to sell the new phone with a focus on video.

PS: I'm starting to get really fed up wth all the negativity around these forums a la "argh, not again..." and "we knew THAT already now didn't we" because it is THESE posts that repeat and repeat and repeat over and over.

[DonSqueak]

LOL, it's probably why I don't get it (as I'm over 35). Then again, with AT&T's INCREDIBLE 3G network (note the sarcasm there), I just cannot see this happening. However, I've been wrong so many times in predicting what Apple will do, so who knows... :)

w00master

It saddens me that so many people seem to be very ego-centristic when it comes to evaluating features and suchlike. Also, AT&T is a non-issue in most countries of the world, a fact far too many people seem to ignore.

There are very many people who would love to see video-chat being a reality. And even if it were just 20% of a possible userbase for iPhone, the feature wouldn't stop the other 80% now would it?

[retroneo]

It's perfect enough for three OS's! There's like three different UI's in Leopard. ... At some point or another they are going to have to unify this interface. This is part of what Snow Leopard should have been about.

Why does every app have to look the same? The controls aren't confusing just because they have a different color.

[DonSqueak]

Apple will have 6 versions of Snow Leopard:
499.00 Super Duper Titanium -- will have iLife
359.00 Super Titanium -- no iLife but it will provide a subscription to anti-virus
299.00 Titanium -- no iLife, no DVD burning
199.00 Cobalt -- no iLife, no DVD burning, no Quicktime Player
129.00 Plywood, Basic, home, beginners version - no iLife, no DVD burning, no QT Player, you can't change your wallpaper and you can only run 3 programs. iTunes costs 5.00/month or it will run with reduced capabilities.
To add 64 bit support, add 103.62 to any version above.
:D

LOL, and then you think "no one would be so stupid as to announce stuff like that..."

[DonSqueak]

Quote me on this...the New Iphone box will be white instead of the typical black boxes.

Done.

[thewhitehart]

Is anyone expecting 3.0 to come out tomorrow or Tuesday?

[DonSqueak]

Yes. Same reason Leopard was delayed. Apple Computer is the redheaded stepchild of Of Apple ATT Mega Buck Incorporated. :mad:

You managed to post enough of this to get an avatar? Should get to trolling myself, then...

[Compile 'em all]

Of all the upgrades, the UI of the OS would have been the easiest. It's not hard at all to change the colors to a more consistent look.


Colors?

I think you are over-simplifying what a UI is.

[Lesser Evets]

I’m completely convinced that the tablet is real.
No DUH.

Apple filed patents for such a device years ago. Of course IT EXISTS, but is it going to market?

-_-; Uhg.
Strange that there aren't any big rumours about Snow Leopard. I guess we'll see a demo and maybe a release date for later in the year.

Because there is no real mystery.

Apple said release in Q3 2009 a while back, and it isn;t anything great, just a trimmer version of what exists.

[*LTD*]

Pointless thread. But fun anyway.

Gotta love Gruber and Daring Fireball. ;)

[*LTD*]

If isn't released until October, then why the hell wouldn't they be able to put marble in there as well?

It would be pretty p*ss poor if they didn't.

Not to mention how it will look to most normal folks who won't see the tiny differences in the details. Windows 7 jumps up refreshed and modern, Snow Leopard still has the "creamcaked jellybutton" look from several years ago. No, really that will be great. Absolutely awesome. Excellent choice.

Or not. :rolleyes:

Windows 7 looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell. Looks like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.