Apple Posts WWDC 2009 Keynote Address Quicktime Stream

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Apple has posted (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0906paowdnv/event/index.html?internal=ijalrmacu) the 2009 WWDC Keynote stream from today which introduced a remarkable number of announcements today:

- iPhone 3.0 Launching June 17th (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/iphone-os-3-0-launching-june-17th/)
- Apple Announces iPhone 3G S, Launching June 19th (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/apple-announces-iphone-3g-s-launching-june-19th/)
- Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Shipping in September (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-shipping-in-september-29-for-leopard-users/)
- Apple Releases Safari 4 for Mac and Windows (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/apple-releases-safari-4-for-mac-and-windows/)
- Apple Releases New 15" MacBook Pro, Updates 17" MacBook Pro (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/apple-releases-new-15-macbook-pro-updates-17-macbook-pro/)
- Apple Updates 13" Aluminum MacBook, Rebranded as "MacBook Pro" (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/apple-updates-13-aluminum-macbook-rebranded-as-macbook-pro/)
- Apple Updates MacBook Air and Drops Price to $1499 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/apple-updates-macbook-air-and-drops-price-to-1499/)

Article Link: Apple Posts WWDC 2009 Keynote Address Quicktime Stream (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/apple-posts-wwdc-2009-keynote-address-quicktime-stream/)

[Mykbibby]

This is the worst keynote of all time. iPhone 3GS upgrade for 400/500 dollars on top of the monthly plan that charges as though its subsidized? AT&T never ceases to amaze me.

[Ctrice]

Does anyone know where to find the direct download link?

[HiRez]

Do they show Phil bending over for AT&T?

[applecultvictim]

A most excellent keynote, real exciting stuff, apple has spoilt us and preped us really well for Steves return with mactablet!!!!


Go apple!!

[Packersfan27]

Hopfully it is on iTunes soon

[norton]

where is the keynote?

[newguineafan]

This is the worst keynote of all time. iPhone 3GS upgrade for 400/500 dollars on top of the monthly plan that charges as though its subsidized? AT&T never ceases to amaze me.

I agree, ********* keynote ever. Way to disappoint, Apple (well, more like frickin' AT&T for their horrible terms of service *cough cough* tethering).

The whole media was waiting for a front-facing camera, an appearance by Steve Jobs, but alas, no.

Not to say I'm not a hypocrite and getting the new iPhone :p

[xnu]

Does anyone think Phil Schiller has lost some weight?

[Chundles]

Patiently waiting for Podcast.

Very solid announcements, glad to see iPhone 3.0 coming out next week and not next month. Snow Leopard looks a lot more interesting than I'd previously thought and the updates to the laptops (especially the monster price drops here in Aus) are stellar.

The updates to Exposé in Snow Leopard (click on the dock icon and hold) as well as the 512x512 pixels are certainly turning it into something you could easily port to a large touch-screen device...

Something big is in the wind.

[Chundles]

Does anyone think Phil Schiller has lost some weight?

He's definitely looking ill...



Oh man, let's see how this pans out eh?

[slapppy]

Apple usually gets it on the iTunes Keynotes within a couple of hours.

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=275834665

[tyr2]

One of the best keynotes for a while. Solid line up of things to announce. Good job Apple.

[russellc]

I wasn't around to see the WWDC keynote. Was there any news about the rumoured Marble UI? Or any mention of the new UI in Snow Leopard at all?

[applecultvictim]

I wasn't around to see the WWDC keynote. Was there any news about the rumoured Marble UI? Or any mention of the new UI in Snow Leopard at all?

No, unfortunately that and the matte option for the mbps were sorely missing from an otherwise very fullfilling night.

[twoodcc]

of course it wasn't available when i was looking for it earlier :rolleyes:

but better late than never. i was planning on watching while i was eating dinner, but i might try and watch it now

[mobi]

Plenty of good news all-around!

[aswitcher]

I really wonder now about the low end MB - a single model is pretty unusual. I suspect a 10" brother sometime this year.

[butterfly0fdoom]

This is the worst keynote of all time. iPhone 3GS upgrade for 400/500 dollars on top of the monthly plan that charges as though its subsidized? AT&T never ceases to amaze me.

It's typical practice for all carriers that you don't get a subsized new phone until 18 months after your contract began. Don't believe me? You can go read the fine print for every other carrier in the US. Oligopolies are fun, aren't they?

[Habitat]

so what do you think now for people who recenly got macbook pros 2 weeks ago. what do we do

[Surely]

so what do you think now for people who recenly got macbook pros 2 weeks ago. what do we do

I'd say you enjoy your awesome MacBook Pro.

It doesn't suck you know.

Or call Apple and see if you can trade it in.

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Re: The Keynote

There should be a split-screen with one camera aimed at the stage and the other camera aimed on the crowd to see the reactions.

[inkswamp]

I was one of the people expecting that this keynote was going to be iPhone-centric with Macs and OS X being treated as an afterthought. Happy to have been proven wrong. :D

[xnu]

Seriously, there were some really good upgrades + price cuts. I give this keynote A. It shows Apple flexibility that we haven't seen... SD card slot, MacBook (Pro) firewire, and pricing... Great news all around. Mini-tower before September maybe? (probably not)
Snow Leopard's pricing is irresistible, smaller footprint is genius.
While I love reading rumors, it is great to be surprised, I guess Steve Jobs was the one leaking information before previous keynotes. :)

[Bubba Satori]

A most excellent keynote, real exciting stuff, apple has spoilt us and preped us really well for Steves return with mactablet!!!!


Go apple!!


Hi Phil. :D

[iGary]

Just finished it. Not bad, but still nothing like a Stevenote™.

[inkswamp]

Just finished it. Not bad, but still nothing like a Stevenote™.

It's like when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd. Still a good show, just not what it used to be. :D

(Though I'd pay good money to see Steve build a wall between him and the audience during a keynote.)

[Bubba Satori]

He's definitely looking ill...



Oh man, let's see how this pans out eh?

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/16/128660498159844805.jpg

:D

[amac4me]

Cool ... gonna stay up late tonight and watch. :apple:

[hwork]

Enter this into QuickTime for the HD stream (currently not linked to on the page):

http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jun/0906paowdnv/m_0906jhoiudvfvn_hd_ref.mov

[Darkroom]

Does anyone think Phil Schiller has lost some weight?

totally

[hwork]

Just finished it. Not bad, but still nothing like a Stevenote™.

Was it posted 2+ hours ago? Or did you skim through it?

[russellc]

No, unfortunately that and the matte option for the mbps were sorely missing from an otherwise very fullfilling night.

Wow those two things would have piqued my interest. Nothing for me to get angry about either, considering I received one of the first bunch of unibody Macbook Pro's.

[tekboi]

New MBP is starting to look VERY appealing right now. That along with a new Wireless-N Router.... haha!! Heaven!!!:D

[powderblue17]

Why do these Apple keynote streams never work on my MacBook? It just doesn't connect but I can go to my Windows PC and it works fine. I'm a network admin and have still never been able to figure this out.

[aznkid25]

It probably took longer than usual to post the video since the iPhone version is up now too.

[inkswamp]

Why do these Apple keynote streams never work on my MacBook? It just doesn't connect but I can go to my Windows PC and it works fine. I'm a network admin and have still never been able to figure this out.

Try this.

Go to System Preferences > Quicktime > Advanced > MIME Settings...

Select "Custom..." in the transport menu. Switch the transport protocol from UDP to HTTP. (No idea why Apple buried this options so far down where nobody can find it.)

And as a network admin, I'll assume you won't need an explanation as to why that works. :D

[NAG]

I didn't think it was that bad of a keynote. The only real turd was at&t (and I think Apple was framing them as such hopefully to get more leverage).

[armoguy94]

It was a bit disappointing. Nothing special was released. Not like the old times back when iSights were only beginning to become implemented into the iMacs, and the switch to Intel.

[powderblue17]

Try this.

Go to System Preferences > Quicktime > Advanced > MIME Settings...

Select "Custom..." in the transport menu. Switch the transport protocol from UDP to HTTP. (No idea why Apple buried this options so far down where nobody can find it.)

And as a network admin, I'll assume you won't need an explanation as to why that works. :D

Thanks that did it.

[oyebto]

The best keynote ever. Unless you stay in the US.

[applecultvictim]

Does anyone think Phil Schiller has lost some weight?

let's hope he's passing that weight over to someone who needs it, oh let's say Stevie. :)

[Cinemagic]

AT&T is holding Apple back. Apple has boosted AT&T's business and AT&T shows their gratitude by screwing their customers. I had T-mobile before iPhone. When the iPhone came out, I switched carriers. I love my iPhone but AT&T absolutely sucks. They have more dropped calls than any other carrier, less bars in more areas than any other carrier. They say that they will not support tethering - but just for the iPhone. They add additional fees for iPhones and I'll bet they cap data limits just to squeeze more money out of iPhone users.

Wake up Apple. Stop exclusivity with the world's worst network - AT&T. More carrier choices will allow more sales and a better product not constrained by AT&T. he exclusivity may have been beneficial when the iPhone first was introduced, but those days are over.

I upgraded to the 3G last year. Now AT&T wants an additional $100 for me to upgrade to 3GS. I may as well wait another 6 months. There is very little 3GS will do for me that my 3G can't do now.

The 3GS looks like a very nice upgrade. AT&T is the kill joy.

[albeik]

Try this.

Go to System Preferences > Quicktime > Advanced > MIME Settings...

Select "Custom..." in the transport menu. Switch the transport protocol from UDP to HTTP. (No idea why Apple buried this options so far down where nobody can find it.)

And as a network admin, I'll assume you won't need an explanation as to why that works. :D

Wow! that worked like a charm! Started very quickly and the quality is better too.!! Thanks!!! :)

PS: Anyone know what is the best way to save it so I can watch it with my wife on my Apple TV on my big screen?

[xDYLANx]

I really want to watch it, but the videos always look like crap and are way too small when they first post them

[Hattig]

This is the worst keynote of all time. iPhone 3GS upgrade for 400/500 dollars on top of the monthly plan that charges as though its subsidized? AT&T never ceases to amaze me.

Um, it is subsidised.

If you're paying off your 3G contract early, then don't be surprised if they want you to pay more to cover the subsidisation cost of the previous phone that you haven't paid off yet.

[diabolic]

Great keynote considering all the announcements.

All the complaining about iPhone upgrade pricing tells me that the GS will again be something everyone wants. Most of the complainers will still end up upgrading, and they'll still sell millions of them.

[gcmexico]

Try this.

Go to System Preferences > Quicktime > Advanced > MIME Settings...

Select "Custom..." in the transport menu. Switch the transport protocol from UDP to HTTP. (No idea why Apple buried this options so far down where nobody can find it.)

And as a network admin, I'll assume you won't need an explanation as to why that works. :D
*
sweet you're the man!!

[DELLsFan]

I really wonder now about the low end MB - a single model is pretty unusual. I suspect a 10" brother sometime this year.

:eek:

Hold me!

[iPhoneFreak17]

guys can u plz tell me if AT&T is dropping their plans by $10 or that was a lie:confused:

[MacAndy74]

I'm waiting for the iTunes Keynote download myself. Can't be much longer now. :confused:

[smileyborg]

The crowd's reaction to the lack of AT&T support for MMS, and then again for tethering is priceless. Although, the crowd was a bit more audible in the live stream (you could hear booing), now it just sounds like quieter mixed laughter in this official recording.

[xDYLANx]

Enter this into QuickTime for the HD stream (currently not linked to on the page):

http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jun/0906paowdnv/m_0906jhoiudvfvn_hd_ref.mov

I figured out if you go to this link and right click, you can save it as a QT .MOV and it doesn't take any time to download.

I don't know if this is a QT Pro only feature, but it helped me out a lot

[patsfan83]

Do they show Phil bending over for AT&T?

No, but he took a pretty good jab at ATT for uploading videos via mms.

"If your carrier supports it."

The audience got a good kick out of it. Forstall also got the audience laughing when all of the carriers from 70+ countries support MMS, except ATT wasn't on the screen. ATT cannot be happy. They are going to get some bad PR from this.

[chkdg8]

Finally, it's up (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0906paowdnv/event/index.html?internal=ijalrmacu).

[Zaci]

Try this.

Go to System Preferences > Quicktime > Advanced > MIME Settings...

Select "Custom..." in the transport menu. Switch the transport protocol from UDP to HTTP. (No idea why Apple buried this options so far down where nobody can find it.)

And as a network admin, I'll assume you won't need an explanation as to why that works. :D

HOLLY CRP... That worked for me too. I wouldn't mind you (or someone else) explaining switching to HTTP made it work.

[spice weasel]

so what do you think now for people who recenly got macbook pros 2 weeks ago. what do we do

You kick yourself for buying a Mac product right before WWDC. Learn to wait until you hear the announcements.

[lowonthe456]

anyone else think it was utterly bizarre that the mbp's have a sd card slot? he glossed over it and i was like "who, thats weird".

perhaps there is more to this...years ago it was the rage, now its nothing and they do it.....something afoot?

:confused:

[inkswamp]

HOLLY CRP... That worked for me too. I wouldn't mind you (or someone else) explaining switching to HTTP made it work.

There are a lot of possible reasons, but the most typical is that you're behind some restrictive firewall settings that are blocking UDP traffic on port 554. Switching Quicktime's transport protocol over to HTTP puts you on port 80 which is the same port you receive Web pages over and that's not usually blocked.

[Chundles]

anyone else think it was utterly bizarre that the mbp's have a sd card slot? he glossed over it and i was like "who, thats weird".

perhaps there is more to this...years ago it was the rage, now its nothing and they do it.....something afoot?

:confused:

Nope, I think it's about damned time. They're the most common format of media card used today and the ability to just plug the card in from your still or video camera and not have to worry about draining the camera's battery, using a precious, precious USB port or losing the cable from your camera is awesome.

They're fantastic upgrades.

[Michaelgtrusa]

Thanks.

[aswitcher]

My guess is that we are still an upgrade or two away from MBPs having a SIM slot. Maybe they can do something tricky with the SD slot to talk to built in phone hardware next rev. Also, I still want to see the trackpad as an ipodtouch screen.

[patsfan83]

anyone else think it was utterly bizarre that the mbp's have a sd card slot? he glossed over it and i was like "who, thats weird".

perhaps there is more to this...years ago it was the rage, now its nothing and they do it.....something afoot?

:confused:

SD cards have become the norm for consumer and professional cameras. Just like firewire 400 lost out to usb2 (in consumer areas), Apple will follow the direction of their consumers, while also steering the industry in new technologies (wireless-n). They must feel that more consumers would use an SD slot than, say an express slot (1% of users used it was what Phil said in the keynote).

[sochet]

Was anyone else disappointed by the speech itself? I mean a lot of it was about Snow leopard and Iphone os3 which have already been covered before. Anyone else notice the speakers had some of the same speech mannerisms as Steve? Guess they have the same coaches.

[Surklyn]

Seriously, there were some really good upgrades + price cuts. I give this keynote A. It shows Apple flexibility that we haven't seen... SD card slot, MacBook (Pro) firewire, and pricing... Great news all around. Mini-tower before September maybe? (probably not)
Snow Leopard's pricing is irresistible, smaller footprint is genius.
While I love reading rumors, it is great to be surprised, I guess Steve Jobs was the one leaking information before previous keynotes. :)

Agreed. I am a 1st Gen. iPhone user. Just bought my new 32G iPhone 3G S. All I really wanted from my phone was Copy/Paste/Video and more importantly... speed. (1st Gen is slooooowww... compared to the 2nd gen iPod Touch)


I own 2 macbooks and a 3 iMacs (black 2.0, 1 work, 1 home... ) I will be purchasing a 15" macbook pro for me, and a 13" for my son. Great updates. SL is looking to be a must have update.

On the bad side:

I HATE defending AT&T when they screw me on MMS!! (Tethering is very nice, but I won't use it that much).

I hate to say this, because I don't mind AT&T's service (they've really improved in my area), but this is BS!! <sigh> it's already been said enough today.. :)

[bruinsrme]

so what do you think now for people who recenly got macbook pros 2 weeks ago. what do we do

you knew wwdc was nearing and you still chose to buy?:rolleyes:

[Zaci]

There are a lot of possible reasons, but the most typical is that you're behind some restrictive firewall settings that are blocking UDP traffic on port 554. Switching Quicktime's transport protocol over to HTTP puts you on port 80 which is the same port you receive Web pages over and that's not usually blocked.

Well... I think that was it; I just changed settings you mentioned on the firewall and UDP is working as well. I gotta say, I learn something new everyday. Thanks.

[NAG]

AT&T is holding Apple back. Apple has boosted AT&T's business and AT&T shows their gratitude by screwing their customers. I had T-mobile before iPhone. When the iPhone came out, I switched carriers. I love my iPhone but AT&T absolutely sucks. They have more dropped calls than any other carrier, less bars in more areas than any other carrier. They say that they will not support tethering - but just for the iPhone. They add additional fees for iPhones and I'll bet they cap data limits just to squeeze more money out of iPhone users.

Wake up Apple. Stop exclusivity with the world's worst network - AT&T. More carrier choices will allow more sales and a better product not constrained by AT&T. he exclusivity may have been beneficial when the iPhone first was introduced, but those days are over.

I upgraded to the 3G last year. Now AT&T wants an additional $100 for me to upgrade to 3GS. I may as well wait another 6 months. There is very little 3GS will do for me that my 3G can't do now.

The 3GS looks like a very nice upgrade. AT&T is the kill joy.
I honestly see every other carrier doing the same thing if they were in AT&T's position. That doesn't mean I find it excusable. I understand the phone is subsidized but they really need to explain why the range for day one iPhone 3G owners being able to buy the 3GS at subsidized cost ranges from at launch to March. I mean, seriously guys. Hopefully the tethering cost is not the high end price that is being quoted everywhere either.

Still, we're stuck with AT&T until 4G which is a few years out. Apple isn't going to make a CDMA phone when that standard is dead.

[bruinsrme]

SD cards have become the norm for consumer and professional cameras. Just like firewire 400 lost out to usb2 (in consumer areas), Apple will follow the direction of their consumers, while also steering the industry in new technologies (wireless-n). They must feel that more consumers would use an SD slot than, say an express slot (1% of users used it was what Phil said in the keynote).

wireless n is a new technology? for whom?

i cant believe the didn't simply add the sd slot.

[shobhu]

Hi
I'm unable to stream and save the keynote video in HD. Can somebody please download it and post a link to it. That would be a great help. Thanks
Here's the stream : http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jun/0906paowdnv/m_0906jhoiudvfvn_hd_ref.mov

[mattwolfmatt]

I feel sorry for the iPhone VP. Practically got booed off the stage every time he mentioned AT&T (or DIDN'T mention it!)

You could tell he was nervous. It's okay man, you'll get better.

[mattwolfmatt]

SD cards have become the norm for consumer and professional cameras. Just like firewire 400 lost out to usb2 (in consumer areas), Apple will follow the direction of their consumers, while also steering the industry in new technologies (wireless-n). They must feel that more consumers would use an SD slot than, say an express slot (1% of users used it was what Phil said in the keynote).

Actually he stumbled across what he said. I interpreted it to mean single digit (<10%), not single percent.

Funny, I use the express slot all the time. For a SD card reader!

[Santabean2000]

Pleasantly surprised by the announcements today, esp the MBPs.:D

Good job Apple.;)

Bad luck US folk, suffering at the hands of your carrier there. Still, you guys have been spoilt for so long anyway in usually getting first dibs on pretty much everything; welcome to our world.

[patsfan83]

Actually he stumbled across what he said. I interpreted it to mean single digit (<10%), not single percent.

Funny, I use the express slot all the time. For a SD card reader!

Thanks for the correction.

[Demosthenes X]

This is the worst keynote of all time. iPhone 3GS upgrade for 400/500 dollars on top of the monthly plan that charges as though its subsidized? AT&T never ceases to amaze me.

The iPhone 3G was subsidized. If you're signing a brand new contract, you get the iPhone 3GS for the same subsidized price. But why on earth would you expect to be allowed to sign a two year contract, pay a subsidized price, and then pay a subsidized price again a year later? Didn't you read your contract before you signed it? :rolleyes:

[patsfan83]

wireless n is a new technology? for whom?

i cant believe the didn't simply add the sd slot.

Apple adopted the draft wireless-n standard before most companies, as well as with their router. They even built it into Macbooks without anyone really knowing, and enabling it when it was ready.

[Willis]

Does anyone think Phil Schiller has lost some weight?

You know what, I just watched it and when he walked on stage I thought, 'has he lost weight?'

I think this is one of Apples better keynotes in a while. A host of new products, and although some of the price gets lost in translation, they have a solid product pipeline.

[hokka]

Here's the link:

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=275834665

Then look down the bottom of the page, see? it's not up yet, the latest is still iPhone 3.0 preview

[jhsfosho]

I'm gonna watch this right now. Even though I know it wont be as entertaining as when Steve gives the keynote.

[Goona]

Why can't I watch it, I just downloaded quicktime but yet it won't play for me on the apple site..

[Fraghax]

Was anyone else disappointed by the speech itself? I mean a lot of it was about Snow leopard and Iphone os3 which have already been covered before. Anyone else notice the speakers had some of the same speech mannerisms as Steve? Guess they have the same coaches.

They went to good schools and were taught to present in a very traditional way. :D Take public speaking at any accredited business school and that's what they will teach you.:apple::apple::apple:

[designgeek]

I smell Apple wanting to drop ATT any day now... ;)

I am SO EXCITED for Snow Leopard and I kinda want an iPhone too.

[NAG]

Why can't I watch it, I just downloaded quicktime but yet it won't play for me on the apple site..

Look back a few posts. You're probably behind a firewall (humorously this problem will be no more with quicktime x).

[GAV76]

So, is it the much talked about 600MHz ARM Cortex used in Palm Pre?
I am surprised there was no word on the CPU upgrade.

[carlosap]

So, is it the much talked about 600MHz ARM Cortex used in Palm Tre?
I am surprised there was no word on the CPU upgrade.


Youtube works very well

This apple stream really sux

please upload to youtube or something that REALLY WORKS

STREAMING sux apple !!!

[NAG]

So, is it the much talked about 600MHz ARM Cortex used in Palm Tre?
I am surprised there was no word on the CPU upgrade.

I don't believe they've ever officially talked about what is specifically in the phone. We only learn when someone tears one apart. So we'll find out on the 19th.

[X38]

[...] The whole media was waiting for a front-facing camera, [...].


So now that the iphone supports third party hardware, can somebody just make a front facing camera that plugs into the dock connector? Could an app be written that would work with it to link with iChat?

[NAG]

I'm quoting this again since people have skipped over it. Here is your solution guys.

Try this.

Go to System Preferences > Quicktime > Advanced > MIME Settings...

Select "Custom..." in the transport menu. Switch the transport protocol from UDP to HTTP. (No idea why Apple buried this options so far down where nobody can find it.)

And as a network admin, I'll assume you won't need an explanation as to why that works. :D

[ansj64]

Nothing really earth shattering....for me, the best of the lot is the Snow Leopard OS....the Macbook refresh gave in to the clamor of the folks who needs firewire...no sweat off MY back since I don't use it at all. the SD slot you can certianly find 3rd party USB port plugs for that...for the Iphone...just improvements also.

Now if there was a tablet...THAT would be earth shattering...

[Goona]

Look back a few posts. You're probably behind a firewall (humorously this problem will be no more with quicktime x).

Thanks!

[queshy]

Always so much negativity after a keynote...

My thoughts: one of the best keynotes we've had in a while.

Laptops: great new pricepoints, better batteries. Who can complain? The laptops didn't even need upgrading.

SL: $30? Who ever thought this would happen. It looks fantastic. September is kinda annoying, though.

iPhone: 3.0 coming next week. Perfect! Can't wait. 3GS - not worthy of an upgrade from 3G (Even though I would love to -- I love speed!). But the 3Gs is an excellent choice for a new iPhone buyer.

Find my iPhone thru MobileMe is an incredible feature, too.

Overall, great news, nothing disappointing, except I want a 3GS, but don't want to pay for it :P

[ramuman]

....
Re: The Keynote

There should be a split-screen with one camera aimed at the stage and the other camera aimed on the crowd to see the reactions.

That would never happen for negative reactions. Apple actually edits out bad portions of the Keynote when something minor goes wrong. I was at WWDC last year and the iPhone 3G commercial played incorrectly with bad audio and in the webcast, it was fine.

[carlosap]

I'm quoting this again since people have skipped over it. Here is your solution guys.

Thanks UDP Sux :p

[wkanoff]

I was going to buy a MacBook Pro 15", but they dropped the express card slot I needed for my data card so I guess I will drop the MacBook.

[ilovefanboyz]

Why do these Apple keynote streams never work on my MacBook? It just doesn't connect but I can go to my Windows PC and it works fine. I'm a network admin and have still never been able to figure this out.

This is my new favourite posting.. Thanks!!!

[lowonthe456]

SD cards have become the norm for consumer and professional cameras. Just like firewire 400 lost out to usb2 (in consumer areas), Apple will follow the direction of their consumers, while also steering the industry in new technologies (wireless-n). They must feel that more consumers would use an SD slot than, say an express slot (1% of users used it was what Phil said in the keynote).
i agree, but it seems odd to have it now....i always connected my camera via usb so i never really had the need for a card reader save for putting pics of my kiddo on it to put the card in a digital frame......it just seemed odd. I'm certainly not complaining, but the trend for Apple isn't media......i'm betting in the next 5 years the optical drive will be gone......but what do i know


go pats!

[mdriftmeyer]

Youtube works very well

This apple stream really sux

please upload to youtube or something that REALLY WORKS

STREAMING sux apple !!!

Sux to be you. The streaming via VLC on Linux and QuickTime in OS X has been smooth just on an ADSL 5MBps connection.

[sharkinfested]

Apple needs to change their name to Apple iPhone – because that’s all we hear anymore. Granted the 13” MacBook got a little bump and of course we heard more promises about Snow Leopard, but what was the main focus? What seems to always be the main focus? The iPhone blah blah blah.
I’m so sick of the iPhone.
No, I’m not saying that other cell phones are better – truthfully, I really don’t care. I don’t own an iPhone and I don’t want one. I hate cell phones in general. AND I really wouldn’t care so much about the iPhone if Apple could focus on more than one or two projects at a time!
They need to come out with Snow Leopard already. And they really need to come out with a tablet/netbook thing – their customers have been asking for this for YEARS now and it’s beginning to piss me off that they keep ignoring us. I hope another company like Dell or Lenovo beats them to market with such a device.
I’m a fan of the OS and I like my MacBook but Apple as a company is on thin ice with me.

[NAG]

iPhone: 3.0 coming next week. Perfect! Can't wait. 3GS - not worthy of an upgrade from 3G (Even though I would love to -- I love speed!). But the 3Gs is an excellent choice for a new iPhone buyer.

This is the core of the issue. It's a good upgrade but not worth so much to all people. I'd like to be able to upgrade but can't until March. To me the upgrade would be worth $200 but not $400. So I'll just wait for the next phone if it comes to that. I'll live.

Overall with the iPhone 3G now starting at $99 and Snow Leopard $29 as well as the Macbook Pro price cuts it is amazing that people are still talking about the "Apple Tax" (CNet is calling the $200 price difference for 3G owners to upgrade to the 3G[s] an "Apple Tax" even though it is a product of the carriers, not Apple).

[bart4u]

Did Apple discuss changing the the glossy screen to a flat screen at WWDC. I am a photographer and I hate the glossy screens. To many reflections to deal with. I would like to see an update to the 30 inch screen too.

[applevx]

Actually he stumbled across what he said. I interpreted it to mean single digit (<10%), not single percent.

Funny, I use the express slot all the time. For a SD card reader!

WOW, you are really funny man:D:p


Now, you get SD slot finally ! :o

[peterdevries]

Why do these Apple keynote streams never work on my MacBook? It just doesn't connect but I can go to my Windows PC and it works fine. I'm a network admin and have still never been able to figure this out.

What kind of network do you administrate?

http://www.animalnetwork.org/

:D

[applevx]

As they mentioned that HTTP stream for both iPhone 3.0 and Snow Leopard, does that mean Apple finally release their own standard or open standard for the stream video online? :rolleyes:


If this is true, I'll be sooo happy that I can keep my Macbook pro cooler than using crapy adobe flash player for watching YouTube video. :D


Go Apple Go :apple:

[macfan881]

Apple needs to change their name to Apple iPhone – because that’s all we hear anymore. Granted the 13” MacBook got a little bump and of course we heard more promises about Snow Leopard, but what was the main focus? What seems to always be the main focus? The iPhone blah blah blah.
I’m so sick of the iPhone.
No, I’m not saying that other cell phones are better – truthfully, I really don’t care. I don’t own an iPhone and I don’t want one. I hate cell phones in general. AND I really wouldn’t care so much about the iPhone if Apple could focus on more than one or two projects at a time!
They need to come out with Snow Leopard already. And they really need to come out with a tablet/netbook thing – their customers have been asking for this for YEARS now and it’s beginning to piss me off that they keep ignoring us. I hope another company like Dell or Lenovo beats them to market with such a device.
I’m a fan of the OS and I like my MacBook but Apple as a company is on thin ice with me.

well obviously your not a expert in sales etc Since the iPhone and the app store are the two hottest things apple has right now and its bringing in huge money for apple so obviously apple is going to be making the iPhone the main focus for a while, i mean look at apples stock since macworld 07 and now the fact that its that high is due to the iphone as well.

[automan98]

Phil, I have three tips for you for your next conference:

1) Can you find a shirt to tuck in? You look like a slob.
2) Using your mouse pointer does not require a full arm movement when you click.
3) Can you stop saying "it's incredible" before it becomes the new geek drinking game!

[iMaggot]

I just finished watching the Keynote, and i think they did a nice job :D

[kockgunner]

Why did people laugh when Scott Forstall said Safari? Also, iPhone 2.0 always had Korean language support and I think even 1.0 also. Why did they say it was a new feature?

[KingYaba]

I was hoping to see Mr. Jobs walk on stage at the end. That was the only reason I sat watching the iPhone junk. :(

[Quillz]

Did Apple discuss changing the the glossy screen to a flat screen at WWDC. I am a photographer and I hate the glossy screens. To many reflections to deal with. I would like to see an update to the 30 inch screen too.
They didn't mention it because it's not happening. Your only option is to go with another brand of notebook or pay Apple a $50 premium on the 17'' MBP for a matte screen.

[Chundles]

Still no direct-download?

I really want to grab this before I go home so I can chill out and watch it. No intarwebz at Casa Chundles.

[Insatiable]

So--was MacRumors hacked again during this event? The site would not come up for me at all.

[SkAi]

Beforehand I expected quite a lot from the keynote.. but it sure was right disappointing.

Wanted to upgrade my Macbook Pro: but still no blu-ray drive? $1000+ for 4GB of Ram? Internal battery? Quite disappointing. Wanted to upgrade badly... but somehow it looks like I will have to search for an alternative.

The iPhone's a joke too... I thought they would actually bring something, that would/could be much more competitive.

From the keynote: actually quite boring. Its not Apple's style that demo's fail to work, and that more than once. Also: No goodie at all.. I think they should have atleast aimed to release some software update for the keynote.. either the iPhone OS 3.0 or Snow Leopard.

[hypermark]

What's been interesting is tracking blogger sentiment on the WWDC keynote, which has definitely been mixed, underscoring a core part of my analysis on the event; namely that Apple has so totally treated us to wizardry and wow over the years that when they merely execute, it's a disappointment (to some), something that I blogged about in:

Apple WWDC Keynote Analysis: Punishing the Wizard, Part Two
http://bit.ly/2lC3yC

Check it out if interested.

Cheers,

Mark

[nuckinfutz]

Beforehand I expected quite a lot from the keynote.. but it sure was right disappointing.

Wanted to upgrade my Macbook Pro: but still no blu-ray drive? $1000+ for 4GB of Ram? Internal battery? Quite disappointing. Wanted to upgrade badly... but somehow it looks like I will have to search for an alternative.

The iPhone's a joke too... I thought they would actually bring something, that would/could be much more competitive.

From the keynote: actually quite boring. Its not Apple's style that demo's fail to work, and that more than once. Also: No goodie at all.. I think they should have atleast aimed to release some software update for the keynote.. either the iPhone OS 3.0 or Snow Leopard.

Short Bus territory here.

[neutrino23]

Wow! that worked like a charm! Started very quickly and the quality is better too.!! Thanks!!! :)

PS: Anyone know what is the best way to save it so I can watch it with my wife on my Apple TV on my big screen?

Ages ago there were some posts where people would somehow find the links to the original files on Apple's servers. I haven't seen that in a while.

The alternative is to do a screen capture. You play the movie on your computer and use something like SnapZ Pro to record that part of the screen and the sound. Works OK but it's tedious. The file size is large. Looks a little more compressed since it has been compressed twice.

Since this is more than two hours it would probably be smart to record the screen in three or four sections to keep the individual file sizes down.

[BongoBanger]

A remarkable number of announcements about nothing remarkable. ;)

[Davieis]

I wonder why the keynote has not been uploaded to iTunes yet as a podcast :confused:

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

...yawn. QQ MUCH?? :rolleyes:

Apple needs to change their name to Apple iPhone – because that’s all we hear anymore. Granted the 13” MacBook got a little bump and of course we heard more promises about Snow Leopard, but what was the main focus? What seems to always be the main focus? The iPhone blah blah blah.
I’m so sick of the iPhone.
No, I’m not saying that other cell phones are better – truthfully, I really don’t care. I don’t own an iPhone and I don’t want one. I hate cell phones in general. AND I really wouldn’t care so much about the iPhone if Apple could focus on more than one or two projects at a time!
They need to come out with Snow Leopard already. And they really need to come out with a tablet/netbook thing – their customers have been asking for this for YEARS now and it’s beginning to piss me off that they keep ignoring us. I hope another company like Dell or Lenovo beats them to market with such a device.
I’m a fan of the OS and I like my MacBook but Apple as a company is on thin ice with me.

[str1f3]

Apple needs to change their name to Apple iPhone – because that’s all we hear anymore. Granted the 13” MacBook got a little bump and of course we heard more promises about Snow Leopard, but what was the main focus? What seems to always be the main focus? The iPhone blah blah blah.
I’m so sick of the iPhone.
No, I’m not saying that other cell phones are better – truthfully, I really don’t care. I don’t own an iPhone and I don’t want one. I hate cell phones in general. AND I really wouldn’t care so much about the iPhone if Apple could focus on more than one or two projects at a time!
They need to come out with Snow Leopard already. And they really need to come out with a tablet/netbook thing – their customers have been asking for this for YEARS now and it’s beginning to piss me off that they keep ignoring us. I hope another company like Dell or Lenovo beats them to market with such a device.
I’m a fan of the OS and I like my MacBook but Apple as a company is on thin ice with me.

I disagree. They spent a lot of time on the Mac. You also have to remember that they are trying to build up a mobile platform that is only 3 years old and an app store that is one year old. The only thing I was dissapointed was in no Marble and no matte iPhone with front facing camera.

I think that the Mac part of the keynote was the most interesting part. Well that and Apple execs making jokes at the expense of AT&T. :D

[djgamble]

Patiently waiting for Podcast.

Very solid announcements, glad to see iPhone 3.0 coming out next week and not next month. Snow Leopard looks a lot more interesting than I'd previously thought and the updates to the laptops (especially the monster price drops here in Aus) are stellar.

The updates to Exposé in Snow Leopard (click on the dock icon and hold) as well as the 512x512 pixels are certainly turning it into something you could easily port to a large touch-screen device...

Something big is in the wind.

A man from the gong!! I know the gong!!!

[snverhallen]

Any links for a direct DL? Keynote podcast still hasn't been updated, other than that I can only see the stream.

snverhallen

[vvebsta]

Why did people laugh when Scott Forstall said Safari? Also, iPhone 2.0 always had Korean language support and I think even 1.0 also. Why did they say it was a new feature?

They laughed because people knew he left out the fact that AT&T was ready for supporting tethering in the US. Quite frankly it IS laughable, i have a feeling Apple will drop AT&T as soon as the contract is up.

[3247]

so what do you think now for people who recenly got macbook pros 2 weeks ago. what do we doBuy something for the ExpressCard slot. ;)

It's typical practice for all carriers that you don't get a subsized new phone until 18 months after your contract began. Don't believe me? You can go read the fine print for every other carrier in the US. Oligopolies are fun, aren't they?If you purchase something on credit, you have to pay all installments. It's a simple as that. Calling it a "subsidy" and hiding the installments in the service plan does not change that basic financial truth.

Based on the prices you have to pay in countries where it is available without a 24 month plan, you can estimate the actual price of the iPhone at around 700 to 800 USD. The fraction of the data plan that pays for the phone is about 20 to 25 USD/month.

I really wonder now about the low end MB - a single model is pretty unusual. I suspect a 10" brother sometime this year.I do suspect a whole-new line of Atom-based MacBooks, MacMinis and Apple TVs to be released along with Snow Leopard

Nope, I think it's about damned time. They're the most common format of media card used today and the ability to just plug the card in from your still or video camera and not have to worry about draining the camera's battery, using a precious, precious USB port or losing the cable from your camera is awesome.Well, a USB port is still more versatile than an SD card reader. So it might have been better to use the same space for an additional USB port.

Was anyone else disappointed by the speech itself? I mean a lot of it was about Snow leopard and Iphone os3 which have already been covered before. Anyone else notice the speakers had some of the same speech mannerisms as Steve? Guess they have the same coaches.Maybe they even work for the same company… wait!

I was going to buy a MacBook Pro 15", but they dropped the express card slot I needed for my data card so I guess I will drop the MacBook.You can still buy the old model, you know.

[PinkyMacGodess]

Did I hear correctly too that Snow Leopard was for Intel Macs only?

[PinkyMacGodess]

"Apple needs to change their name to Apple iPhone – because that’s all we hear anymore."

What? In the first 5 minutes they had announced the new MacBook Pro... They saved the iphone for last.

[Moçambicano]

Don't tell me that they have upgraded the iPhone so much, and yet failed to give its users the long-awaited iCal tasks (To do's) Leopard sync function. And no Bluetooth sync either…

[DELLsFan]

...They need to come out with Snow Leopard already. And they really need to come out with a tablet/netbook thing – their customers have been asking for this for YEARS now and it’s beginning to piss me off that they keep ignoring us. I hope another company like Dell or Lenovo beats them to market with such a device...

They have (http://www.dell.com/home/netbooks). Oh, and some can even run OS X (http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/faqs-how-tos/). Like Mine (http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-os-x/6367-post-your-hackintosh-desktop-15.html#post75699). :D

...My thoughts: one of the best keynotes we've had in a while...

You mean like since last year? :rolleyes:

Phil, I have three tips for you for your next conference:

1) Can you find a shirt to tuck in? You look like a slob.
2) Using your mouse pointer does not require a full arm movement when you click.
3) Can you stop saying "it's incredible" before it becomes the new geek drinking game!

LOL! :p

I was hoping to see Mr. Jobs walk on stage at the end. That was the only reason I sat watching the iPhone junk. :(

Very disappointing he wasn't there. Hopefully, he's gained the weight Phil seems to have lost. :apple:

[WhySoSerious]

Why did people laugh when Scott Forstall said Safari? Also, iPhone 2.0 always had Korean language support and I think even 1.0 also. Why did they say it was a new feature?

they were laughing at how lame ATT is.

earlier, they said MMS wouldn't be on ATT till late summer and you could hear the crowd moan and groan in disappointment.

then, a few minutes later the topic of tethering came up and, again, they announced that ATT was participating yet.

after Apple announced that, they QUICKLY moved on to safari....and the crowd was still sitting in silence and in shock that ATT was screwing us US customers....and then they started to moan/groan/boo when they realized all of this and when apple quickly tried to changed the topic.

[Roller]

Did I hear correctly too that Snow Leopard was for Intel Macs only?

Yes, that's correct.

[Schizoid]

that's great...

now then, when's iPhone 4 and Mac OS X v10.7 out?

[saggyhaggis]

Apple needs to change their name to Apple iPhone – because that’s all we hear anymore. Granted the 13” MacBook got a little bump and of course we heard more promises about Snow Leopard, but what was the main focus? What seems to always be the main focus? The iPhone blah blah blah.
I’m so sick of the iPhone.
No, I’m not saying that other cell phones are better – truthfully, I really don’t care. I don’t own an iPhone and I don’t want one. I hate cell phones in general. AND I really wouldn’t care so much about the iPhone if Apple could focus on more than one or two projects at a time!
They need to come out with Snow Leopard already. And they really need to come out with a tablet/netbook thing – their customers have been asking for this for YEARS now and it’s beginning to piss me off that they keep ignoring us. I hope another company like Dell or Lenovo beats them to market with such a device.
I’m a fan of the OS and I like my MacBook but Apple as a company is on thin ice with me.

Yeah the constant chatter about Iphones and their bloody Apps does wear a bit thin especially when you have no intention of buying an Iphone/Touch and being shafted by a mobile contract.

I dont like the way Schiller kept stating that the price on the new macbook pro's have dropped when compared to the previous versions....So it should, unless there has been a radical change from the previous versions.

The hardware, namely processor speed is very old hat by the time a refresh comes and the consumers have been getting shafted for under a year buying macbooks with processors that other manufacturers would've dropped months ago, and dont get me started on the Mac Mini.

I'm not sold on Snow Leopard as yet until I see the performance figures so I'll hang fire till then.

Their design of their hardware is pretty unified now across the board (except for the Mac Pro's/Mac Mini's that is), so I would expect the next announcements down the line to be radically redesigned Mac Pro's, Mac Mini's and perhaps the fabled Tablet, all announced by the Messiah, cough.. I mean Steve. Good things are just round the corner.....I hope!

[*LTD*]

Phil's looking alright. A very decent keynote by Phil, Bertrand, Scott and the rest. And it was good to see the spotlight on developers. WWDC is for them, after all.

[joemama]

So many different threads to post I'll go with the most recent. Take AT&T out of the picture for a minute, and you have a really nice iPhone upgrade. In my opinion, there were a few main missing features, all of which have been fixed:

1.) MMS
2.) Voice Dial
3.) Nike+ Sensor

I can now (finally) make the switch from Verizon. While I might pay an extra 10-20 a month, it's well worth it for making my life easier (and safer).

[*LTD*]

So many different threads to post I'll go with the most recent. Take AT&T out of the picture for a minute, and you have a really nice iPhone upgrade. In my opinion, there were a few main missing features, all of which have been fixed:

1.) MMS
2.) Voice Dial
3.) Nike+ Sensor

I can now (finally) make the switch from Verizon. While I might pay an extra 10-20 a month, it's well worth it for making my life easier (and safer).

Whatever the issues, AT&T will cave. They need Apple and the iPhone too much. The iPhone made AT&T into what it is today.

[arkitect]

Been trying the Quicktime stream but keep getting this error…

Frustrating. Seems I will have to wait for the Podcast later.

[Biolizard]

Brilliant keynote. New notebooks (HA! I say to all those who doubted it), a good look at Snow Leopard (what a beauty) and what's more the Mac CAME FIRST!!!! My faith in Apple has been restored.

As for the iPhone, like 1% of Macrumors I couldn't give a flying, well, you know, so was sadistically happy to see the lack of a decent hardware update.

The Mac is back :D

[*LTD*]

Brilliant keynote. New notebooks (HA! I say to all those who doubted it), a good look at Snow Leopard (what a beauty) and what's more the Mac CAME FIRST!!!! My faith in Apple has been restored.

As for the iPhone, like 1% of Macrumors I couldn't give a flying, well, you know, so was sadistically happy to see the lack of a decent hardware update.

The Mac is back :D

C'mon, you must have known Apple wouldn't leave its biggest moneymaker out in the cold? ;)

I share your enthusiasm! Apple seems to be completely on top of the notebook game.

[MikeDTyke]

To all you bitchers, all i hear is blah blah blaaah bla blah blah blah blah blaaaah.

This was a stonking update, marred a bit by crappy telcos and having to wait til Sept for SL.

Go get a life, cos you ain't gonna turn any fanbois here. :D

[DaBrain]

Was anyone else disappointed by the speech itself? I mean a lot of it was about Snow leopard and Iphone os3 which have already been covered before. Anyone else notice the speakers had some of the same speech mannerisms as Steve? Guess they have the same coaches.

Yes! That was Insanely Incredible! ;):)

[*LTD*]

Yes! That was Insanely Incredible! ;):)

Or . . . Insanely Great(TM) ;)

[darijoe]

I really enjoyed watching this keynote. It was probably Apple's most substantial keynote for some time, perhaps since Macworld 2004. At over 2 hours, it was also Apple's longest keynote since WWDC 2003, which ran for about 2:10:00.

The keynote was at least 20x better than Macworld this year. Phil had to somehow draw out just 3 product announcements to 1.5 hours. At least there was substance to this keynote. Anyone thinking that this keynote was terrible would even admit it was better. What makes a good keynote is the the amount of content and the way it's presented.

[jholzner]

This is the worst keynote of all time. iPhone 3GS upgrade for 400/500 dollars on top of the monthly plan that charges as though its subsidized? AT&T never ceases to amaze me.

What will never cease to amaze me is people like you who sign a two year contract to get a subsidized phone and that can't believe that they must honor their contract.

[Thex1138]

The S upgrade, I believe, is a partial upgrade..
It seems too minor in my opinion.
I think again they're holding back the bigger upgrades until next year when the tech is ready.... or perhaps not to distract the market from near term future products........MacBook Touch perhaps?

[blindzero]

Not sure what all the haters are talking about. First, This is WWDC. Second they updated their ENTIRE laptop line AND dropped the price. Education Discount/Free iPod with these babies and it's hard for me to resist an upgrade.

iPhone doesn't have a front facing camera. Kinda disappointing, but I wouldn't put it past Apple to be waiting out this horrible AT&T deal to bring out something special when they stop exclusivity. Sucks for those of us buying the 3GS as we will probably miss next years upgrade (i'm an original iPhone owner - just freaking dropped mine after 2 years of handling it nice).

[Uragon]

Why did people laugh when Scott Forstall said Safari? Also, iPhone 2.0 always had Korean language support and I think even 1.0 also. Why did they say it was a new feature?

They added the North Korean version....:D

[azentropy]

My biggest complaint about the keynote was when they said that most people where choosing laptops over desktops.

THAT IS BECAUSE APPLE DOES NOT OFFER A TRADITIONAL CONSUMER DESKTOP LINE!!!!

If Apple offered a line of systems using the i7 quad core "desktop" cpus in systems in the $1200-1800 range, and E7xxx, E8xxx and Q8xxx CPUs in systems in the $600-$1200 range they would certainly close the gap.

But of course Apple isn't interested in the gap. They are happy selling more laptops than desktops. When their "desktop" systems are roughly the same price for the same performance as laptops (because they are using laptop parts), why not buy laptops....

[JGowan]

This is the worst keynote of all time. iPhone 3GS upgrade for 400/500 dollars on top of the monthly plan that charges as though its subsidized? AT&T never ceases to amaze me.How many subsidized phones do you think you're worth? You got the 3G at $199, be happy with your phone.

I bought the original 1st generation phone for my wife and I at $499 each (16GB models at least) -- I figure it's OUR turn to get a nice chunk in return, considering I invested about $1150 with tax for ours.

The Keynote was NOT "the wort of all time". It was a solid WWDC. This is for the developers not the public, though there's so many people who are watching Apple, it's just free publicity. Great info about iPhone OS and Snow Leopard OS; Amazing $29 price for Leopard users; really nice updates on laptops with excellent price reductions; Macbook brought into the Pro fold; iPhone 3.0 coming soon and a new iPhone with great new abilities -- all you took away from it was the fact that you'll pay $200 more. Big deal. You'll still have your first 3G phone in your pocket… to either use as an amazing iPod or give to a relative or friend.

People: if you watch keynote, you'll get a lot more out of it then just from any blogger. The info about stuff about to arrive is amazing. Don't get hung up over a couple hundred bucks.

----

About AT&T: be as pissed as you want. Do you think Apple is happy with them? This is only good for us as Apple will be trying to get out from under the companies that won't do the things they need to do to keep this whole thing moving as it should: forward.

[Jellix]

I loved the keynote, can't wait to get my new iPhone and mac os x.
But i don't like the new macbook pros.
I'm forced to buy a 17 inch macbook because of the new SD card slot.
I don't need an SD card slot, because i buy sony cameras (love all sony devices) and they use memory stick(which is faster then SD, or at least on my pc). And for that i need an expresscard slot.
No new laptop for me this year :(

[zelmo]

All in all, a pretty solid PhilNote. Good updates to the laptop line-up coupled with good price drops was a great way to start the event.

SL looks like a solid upgrade, and at $29 I expect that the overwhelming majority of folks with Leopard running on an Intel will upgrade.

iPhone 3.0 will be a welcome update for most 3G owners who aren't inclined to purchase a 3GS model.

The 3GS is a decent update. Will be better if AT&T ever updates their network to 7.2 and permits tethering.

I really don't understand all the furor over AT&T not letting 3G owners upgrade for cheap. It's not a penalty people. You signed a contract, and the phone subsidy is recouped by AT&T over the 2-yr contract. Why should they sacrifice one iota of their subsidy so you can have a new phone? They are a business (just like Apple), and need to turn a profit for their shareholders.

quityerbitchin:rolleyes:

[*LTD*]

My biggest complaint about the keynote was when they said that most people where choosing laptops over desktops.

THAT IS BECAUSE APPLE DOES NOT OFFER A TRADITIONAL CONSUMER DESKTOP LINE!!!!

If Apple offered a line of systems using the i7 quad core "desktop" cpus in systems in the $1200-1800 range, and E7xxx, E8xxx and Q8xxx CPUs in systems in the $600-$1200 range they would certainly close the gap.

But of course Apple isn't interested in the gap. They are happy selling more laptops than desktops. When their "desktop" systems are roughly the same price for the same performance as laptops (because they are using laptop parts), why not buy laptops....

No.

It's because in the entire industry desktop sales are in the basement.

There is not enough demand for any additional Mac desktops. They'd be a money-loser for Apple.



I really don't understand all the furor over AT&T not letting 3G owners upgrade for cheap. It's not a penalty people. You signed a contract, and the phone subsidy is recouped by AT&T over the 2-yr contract. Why should they sacrifice one iota of their subsidy so you can have a new phone? They are a business (just like Apple), and need to turn a profit for their shareholders.

quityerbitchin:rolleyes:

Correct. It's a CONTRACT.

I'm with Rogers, on a 2-year contract, with an iPhone 3G, started in August of last year. I'm not eligible for a hardware upgrade either. Have to wait a year or else buy the new iPhone outright. I assume if you bitched enough to your carrier they *might* be able to do something for you, but as it stands that isn't policy.

AT&T might cave and throw customers a bone (they might be smart to), but they're really not bound to do that.

[swingerofbirch]

Did anyone else find the french guy annoying? They do use articles in french too...like he said there are refinements across board.....and when he did say "the" he said "ze" everytime...which I don't get as you would say "le" in French not zee...

I just felt like he should have been doing a cooking show, with huge bowls of chocolate fondue....that's usually when I am accustomed to such cloying accents, it somehow parallels the rich chocolate.

[PDXoPDX]

Anyone else think that the keynote was pretty boring? New Snow Leopard pricing and macbook updates seem like the winner and iPhone/ATT major losers. I guess Apple didn't promise anything big for the iPhone other than OS 3.0, but I was really looking forward to a matte case, no more gaudy silver bling bezel, and perhaps bigger hardware bumps.

[Habakuk]

The whole media was waiting for a front-facing camera,

Nobody needs a front-facing camera only for conceited self portraits or completeley useless video conferences (waste of bandwidth). I never expected it and I am glad that they ignore it.

My two cents about the keynote: Everything stays better :-)

[cesar]

... who is that craig (italian-last-name??) guy?

[Thex1138]

There's another way of describing how compelling the keynote was...
'It only impacted on the side, it didn't go in.'

[Pnut13]

It was pretty good,
People want to see a new product or a smaller or more updated look to the iPhone or iMac, and they want flashy presentations, they totally forget the reason this Con is there for..........the Developers. People need to get there heads out from you know where.

:eek:,
Pnut

[Shiner]

I have been watching apple keynote speeches for a long time and this was average at best. Now I will not call out fanbois but what did I miss?

1)The supposed macbook updates are small and not impressive.
2)The macbook pro 15" did not get discounted--They just took out the graphics card people!!!
3)The macbook pro 13" is the exact same thing with firewire!!
4)Everyone knew the macbook air was overpriced for the hardware. Also those poor bastards that bought one last month or even last week($700 decrease).
4)MacOSX was great and a good price, but is exactly what was expected. If they charged more than $30 bucks for an under the hood upgrade people would go nutz.
5)The iphone was a small update that kept with the exact profit margin I mentioned months ago.
6)They showed off iphone 3.0 months ago!! What was so great?

I hope that they have some more announcements planned for later this year that are worth waiting for.

[Mattie Num Nums]

They should have called it the "World Wide iPhone and some other stuff Apple makes. Conference"

Nobody needs a front-facing camera only for conceited self portraits or completeley useless video conferences (waste of bandwidth). I never expected it and I am glad that they ignore it.

My two cents about the keynote: Everything stays better :-)

Goto Japan they have been doing Video Conferencing via Cell for years now. Obviously it is us who are extremely behind. I for one would love video conferencing.

Anyone else think that the keynote was pretty boring? New Snow Leopard pricing and macbook updates seem like the winner and iPhone/ATT major losers. I guess Apple didn't promise anything big for the iPhone other than OS 3.0, but I was really looking forward to a matte case, no more gaudy silver bling bezel, and perhaps bigger hardware bumps.

I agree. They spent the bulk of the damn keynote on the stupid iPhone. I was looking for more Snow Leopard updates but its obvious that Apple is now a Telecom company first and a computer company second.

[NoSmokingBandit]

I was thoroughly disappointed this time around. The macbook news was neat, and makes me want a 13" real bad, but i expected more from SL. I know that apple is making a **** ton of money from the iPhone, but it seems like they are pushing everything else out of the way. They should rename themselves Apple Phone Inc.

[Mattie Num Nums]

I was thoroughly disappointed this time around. The macbook news was neat, and makes me want a 13" real bad, but i expected more from SL. I know that apple is making a **** ton of money from the iPhone, but it seems like they are pushing everything else out of the way. They should rename themselves Apple Phone Inc.

Agree 100% I have been saying this on this site now for months and get flamed for being an Apple Hater or a reverse fan boy. Looks like WWDC has done nothing but prove my suspicions.

[paeataa]

Anyone heard about new iPod Touch? I would like to buy a MBP with an iPod Touch on education promotion. But iPod Touch seems to have a new model very soon. Do you think it's going to be during this promotion (until early September)?

Should I buy it now or just wait for the new model?

Thanks!

[NoSmokingBandit]

Im watching the keynote now (only seen blogs so far), and apple has started bashing MS in the first 10 minutes...
It makes their entire ad campaign look very immature when they spend half the time complaining about the competition.


And they love how the Finder works.... Crap. I suppose we will never get great file management like every other OS has (explorer, nautilus, konqueror, dolphin, etc...). Finder is still stuck in the dark ages.

The new window management features look cool, but i dont think they can compare it to windows 7. Window management in 7 is just awesome.

[nuckinfutz]

Im watching the keynote now (only seen blogs so far), and apple has started bashing MS in the first 10 minutes...
It makes their entire ad campaign look very immature when they spend half the time complaining about the competition.


And they love how the Finder works.... Crap. I suppose we will never get great file management like every other OS has (explorer, nautilus, konqueror, dolphin, etc...). Finder is still stuck in the dark ages.

The new window management features look cool, but i dont think they can compare it to windows 7. Window management in 7 is just awesome.

Fluff

Making unsubstantiated claims is just as immature. What's so great about the file management in Explorer, Nautilus and Konqueror? Why is Windows 7 window managment "awesome" ?

Opinions don't have to be backed by facts but at the least one should attempt to articulate the very features that they claim are superior. Otherwise your just making noise ..but there is no signal.

[Macnator]

Try this.

Go to System Preferences > Quicktime > Advanced > MIME Settings...

Select "Custom..." in the transport menu. Switch the transport protocol from UDP to HTTP. (No idea why Apple buried this options so far down where nobody can find it.)

And as a network admin, I'll assume you won't need an explanation as to why that works. :D

OMG!!!!! Thank you so much! They never worked for me and I did that and it works. I always though it was something with their servers or something since they would never play for me. :rolleyes:

Thanks again. :D

[NoSmokingBandit]

Fluff

Making unsubstantiated claims is just as immature. What's so great about the file management in Explorer, Nautilus and Konqueror? Why is Windows 7 window managment "awesome" ?

Opinions don't have to be backed by facts but at the least one should attempt to articulate the very features that they claim are superior. Otherwise your just making noise ..but there is no signal.

Have you used windows 7? Snapping windows, aero peek, previews in the taskbar (which apple has graciously copied with Dock Expose), resize from every edge (fitz's law, which fanboys love to reference), etc...

Nautilus, Explorer, etc all have this neat thing call Cut/Paste, its pretty cool. They have breadcrumb trails that are useful and not just a visual aid like Finder, they remember view setting per-folder instead of changing everything to list/icon/whatever all at once, they allow you to force a refresh instead of hoping finder does it for you, they all have address bars...

Is that enough for you?

[roosta]

that the macbooks and snow leopard took up only 37.5% of the presentation?

never mind, seems you guys did. i really ought to look through these forums better

[dejo]

... who is that craig (italian-last-name??) guy?
Craig Federighi. VP, Mac OS Engineering.

[bugfaceuk]

let's hope he's passing that weight over to someone who needs it, oh let's say Stevie. :)

Perhaps Steve is feeding on him?

[bugfaceuk]

Anyone else think that the keynote was pretty boring? New Snow Leopard pricing and macbook updates seem like the winner and iPhone/ATT major losers. I guess Apple didn't promise anything big for the iPhone other than OS 3.0, but I was really looking forward to a matte case, no more gaudy silver bling bezel, and perhaps bigger hardware bumps.

Don't mean to pick on you.. I've just read the thread and you clearly reflect the feelings of many in the thread. However.... Where we watching the same thing?

1. Apple have simplified their laptop line up (one name, three sizes), and actually bloody listened for the first time in how long?

2. SL was pitched as a refinement, and priced to match. Fantastic. I agree with others, Windows 7 has come a long way in Window management, and in some areas is plain and simple better. However, Expose is the single most sexy gorgeous slick UI feature ever that I use and abuse every hour of every day. It just got even better.

3. I'm an iPhone developer, so the OS 3.0 stuff didn't excite me, but the apps? Sublime, amazing, lovely.

4. The new phone... boy I wish they did these every 6 months, but its a solid enough upgrade. Those whining about AT&T are also surprised at their own reflection. We all knew it was there behind the mirror the whole time, except them apparently.

I really enjoyed the pitch, and although I kinda worship at the alter of his Steve-e-ness... I think it showed a well rounded team who "get it". Phil is always kinda of cheesy with his windows hits. However, it's more like when my dad tells a rude joke, it's a little clumsy and awkward... but kinda funny.

Well done Apple, loving your work.

[Sunbelt]

Quick question. I've read just about everything, as much as I have time for, but can't find anything on the monthly cost of the data plan. Is it still $30 or are they dropping it to $20?

[nuckinfutz]

Have you used windows 7? Snapping windows, aero peek, previews in the taskbar (which apple has graciously copied with Dock Expose), resize from every edge (fitz's law, which fanboys love to reference), etc...

Nautilus, Explorer, etc all have this neat thing call Cut/Paste, its pretty cool. They have breadcrumb trails that are useful and not just a visual aid like Finder, they remember view setting per-folder instead of changing everything to list/icon/whatever all at once, they allow you to force a refresh instead of hoping finder does it for you, they all have address bars...

Is that enough for you?

Dock Expose is superior to Taskbar Previews IMO. If I want to be able to differentiate between windows in an app I want as large of a preview as possible. It's kind of hard to claim that Apple ripped this from Windows as Expose predates any similar feature in Vista.

Resize from every edge ...not a bad feature and certainly superior to the OS X method. I guess it would save me the hassle of dragging a window and then resizing.

There is a new feature in Snow Leopard that I think will work like the pinned windows. Evidently you can take a window and control drag it and squeeze any open windows against the side of the desktop. It appears trivial to open a couple of windows and then "squeeze" them together for a nice two window setup.

I'd say that I'm not a big manual file management fan. I use Hazel on my Mac which means that I can setup a myriad of rules based on content. My download folder is watched so that graphic files, movie files, compressed files and more are stored in their particular folder. I believe the function of a computer should be to help me manage data "without" mirroring a poor paradigm like folders which has carried over from the physical world.

Folders are just poor tags and rigig hierarchy. What I want is smart folders, global tagging (xattr- extended attributes) and actions based on tags. By 10.7 I expect to reduce my folder structure by an order of magnitude and rely on tagging to give me the appropriate views into the file structure that I need.

Apple is clearly ahead of Microsoft here and I hope they keep working hard towards this end.

[bugfaceuk]

that's great...

now then, when's iPhone 4 and Mac OS X v10.7 out?

Next ye.... oh... I see what you did there....

[ThunderSkunk]

This was great. Great MBP Line, great pricing, and $30 Snow Leopard! WTF! Awesome on the Mac side.

Disliked how uncooperative AT&T is, but loved the well-deserved subtle but pointed public jabs they felt confident to make there. Clever writing.

Guess there's really no point in a front-facing camera right now, when the sluggish lummox of a service provider would rather suck money for offering minimal service, than catch up to where China was 5 years ago * and support video chat anyway. Might as well focus on getting the rest of the device up to speed.

Perhaps at exclusive-contract-negotiation-time we'll see some more big-picture innovation.

*Insert joke about free-market capitalism falling behind communism by stifling innovation here.

[azentropy]

No.

It's because in the entire industry desktop sales are in the basement.

There is not enough demand for any additional Mac desktops. They'd be a money-loser for Apple.



That is simply NOT true. Yes laptop sales are overtaking desktop in total, but desktop sales are not in the basement. That is like saying 4 door cars are in the basement because SUV and Truck sales have passed them.

[sishaw]

SD cards have become the norm for consumer and professional cameras. Just like firewire 400 lost out to usb2 (in consumer areas), Apple will follow the direction of their consumers, while also steering the industry in new technologies (wireless-n). They must feel that more consumers would use an SD slot than, say an express slot (1% of users used it was what Phil said in the keynote).

Yup, I think you're right. I know I'm only one user, but I think this is fairly typical-- my video and still camera, and a very cool sound recorder that I use to practice music, all use SD. The LACK of an SD card slot, which (I hate to say, as I am very much an Apple fan) most of the "other" brands of notebooks have, plus of course the price, have kept me away from the MBPs, although they seem like sweet machines.

Well, my iBook (yes, iBook) is starting to seem awfully long in the tooth, and, at $ 1699 with the SD card slot for the 15" (this is a desktop replacement, the other option would be an iMac), I'm seriously thinking of treating myself...which I would not previously have considered. And I have a feeling I'm not the only one. I think this is a smart move for Apple.

[krye]

Anyone else notice Bertrand got a new eye? Or is that a contact?

[sishaw]

No.

It's because in the entire industry desktop sales are in the basement.

There is not enough demand for any additional Mac desktops. They'd be a money-loser for Apple.




Correct. It's a CONTRACT.

I'm with Rogers, on a 2-year contract, with an iPhone 3G, started in August of last year. I'm not eligible for a hardware upgrade either. Have to wait a year or else buy the new iPhone outright. I assume if you bitched enough to your carrier they *might* be able to do something for you, but as it stands that isn't policy.

AT&T might cave and throw customers a bone (they might be smart to), but they're really not bound to do that.

It's any cell phone company. Anytime I've ever tried to get a new phone midstream of a contract I've been quoted the full price- often $600 or more for a phone half as capable as the iPhone (In the dark past, of course; I now have an iPhone).

[Shuttleworth]

Thanks that did it.

+1 Thanks very much:D

[ricosuave]

Is there a hardware reason the original iPhone cannot have mms?

[PDXoPDX]

Don't mean to pick on you.. I've just read the thread and you clearly reflect the feelings of many in the thread. However.... Where we watching the same thing?

1. Apple have simplified their laptop line up (one name, three sizes), and actually bloody listened for the first time in how long?

2. SL was pitched as a refinement, and priced to match. Fantastic. I agree with others, Windows 7 has come a long way in Window management, and in some areas is plain and simple better. However, Expose is the single most sexy gorgeous slick UI feature ever that I use and abuse every hour of every day. It just got even better.

3. I'm an iPhone developer, so the OS 3.0 stuff didn't excite me, but the apps? Sublime, amazing, lovely.

4. The new phone... boy I wish they did these every 6 months, but its a solid enough upgrade. Those whining about AT&T are also surprised at their own reflection. We all knew it was there behind the mirror the whole time, except them apparently.

I really enjoyed the pitch, and although I kinda worship at the alter of his Steve-e-ness... I think it showed a well rounded team who "get it". Phil is always kinda of cheesy with his windows hits. However, it's more like when my dad tells a rude joke, it's a little clumsy and awkward... but kinda funny.

Well done Apple, loving your work.

Perhaps a miscommunication but I think we're on the same page. I meant that I was impressed by the work done on the laptop line and SL. Both offered solid upgrades and SL fits the bill of a revised, better version of Leopard. Also very impressed with their non-traditional pricing of SL and really thinking about the users/market.

The only negative for me was the excessive time devoted to the iPhone without many of the minor upgrades that I was hoping for. The current design works so I understand why they didn't want to change something that wasn't broken. I just could have done w/o the last half of the keynote. I watched the March OS 3.0 event so aside from the actual apps it was yaaaaaawn. Oh and also the ATT fail. I'm referring to non-support of MMS and tethering, two great new features. I'll stay out of the rest of the ATT upgrade debate b/c I broke my iPhone fair and square and should have to pay. Gogo washing machine!

[kinkster]

So still no podcast download?

[sterlingindigo]

Does anyone think Phil Schiller has lost some weight?

+1 :D

[BRLawyer]

*
sweet you're the man!!

Where is the "transport" menu? (not that I am having any problems with QT)

[Quillz]

Is there a hardware reason the original iPhone cannot have mms?
I think there is. MMS, I think, requires slightly faster hardware, which exists in the iPhone 3G but not the original model.

However, there are some aspects of 3.0 that are being intentionally locked out on the original and 3G models, as an incentive to buy the iPhone 3G-S.

[MrCrowbar]

It's avilable in the "Apple Keynotes" podcast now. Get it while the Servers are fast.

This was a long keynote, 2 hours. wow.

[Pnut13]

1)The supposed macbook updates are small and not impressive.
2)The macbook pro 15" did not get discounted--They just took out the graphics card people!!!
3)The macbook pro 13" is the exact same thing with firewire!!

you missed an important part, all of them went down $300 to $700 in price (they were overpriced and now they have corrected that.

4)Everyone knew the macbook air was overpriced for the hardware. Also those poor bastards that bought one last month or even last week($700 decrease).
you quickly forget ALL book prices went down

4)MacOSX was great and a good price, but is exactly what was expected. If they charged more than $30 bucks for an under the hood upgrade people would go nutz.[/QUOTE]
Well isnt to upgrade from XP to Vista costs more to do than $30? I would think people understand that $30 is a small price ot pay to upgrade and even if it was a little more, people wouldnt have rioted/gone nuts. You might, but you would be in the minority


I hope that they have some more announcements planned for later this year that are worth waiting for.

Well not every year they can introduce a new computer or phone or ipod
This is a keynote developers of software, not for people on a Message board......

[drake]

Video crash crash crash. :p

[NoSmokingBandit]

I think there is. MMS, I think, requires slightly faster hardware, which exists in the iPhone 3G but not the original model.


I doubt that. I have a phone thats much older/slower than the original iphone and it can send mms.

[slapppy]

HD Stream version is up. Still no iTunes though.

Oops wrong, as I typed this my iTunes started to download it automatically. Nice.

[Wolffie]

Would someone link, please?
I have refreshed iTunes and my :apple:TV and still do not see it :(

Thank you in advance.

[hokka]

Would someone link, please?
I have refreshed iTunes and my :apple:TV and still do not see it :(

Try Subscribe the the whole Podcast first in iTune Store (It hasn't shown up there yet), then you should find it in the Podcast tab, or it should be automatic downloading

[Wolffie]

Try Subscribe the the whole Podcast first in iTune Store (It hasn't shown up there yet), then you should find it in the Podcast tab, or it should be automatic downloading

Thank you!

[MacGuffin]

I can't believe I watched the whole thing. Jesus, my definition of "entertainment" has become fluid. I blame these Internets.

Observation #1: These things are much more fun without Jobs. Stay home and keep eating, Steveo.

Observation #2: 3GS, here I come.

[umiwangu]

I doubt that. I have a phone thats much older/slower than the original iphone and it can send mms.

Agree. I have an old Nokia 6021 that can do MMS. I think it's mainly a network/software thing.

[spillproof]

You kick yourself for buying a Mac product right before WWDC. Learn to wait until you hear the announcements.

Exactly what I was thinking. I needed a new laptop for college and I said I would stick with my 10 pound 6 year old Dell till the new unibody MacBook Pro came out. And It was worth the 5 months more of XP and the incompatibility of old laptops.


Funny, I use the express slot all the time. For a SD card reader!

Exactly, I would rather have the express slot and buy adapters. That's just my opinion.

Did anyone else find the french guy annoying? They do use articles in french too...like he said there are refinements across board.....and when he did say "the" he said "ze" everytime...which I don't get as you would say "le" in French not zee...

I just felt like he should have been doing a cooking show, with huge bowls of chocolate fondue....that's usually when I am accustomed to such cloying accents, it somehow parallels the rich chocolate.

I actually thought he gave a great presentation with his assistant (can't remember name). Then again I am bias because I am fascinated by accents. But I laughed about your cooking show comment and would have to agree with you there.

Im watching the keynote now (only seen blogs so far), and apple has started bashing MS in the first 10 minutes....
It makes their entire ad campaign look very immature when they spend half the time complaining about the competition.

I know! I was a bit disapointed about that. I did like the Mac ads, but they became like a child screaming "I'm better than you Nana Na Na Na Na".

[drlunanerd]

Oops, was watching the wrong WWDC stream :o Guess the joke's on me :D

[pubwvj]

Safari 4.0 was downloaded on my PPC G4 PowerBook 15" last night.
Bad news though. Safari 4.0 is crashing every time it opens, immediately.
Nothing fancy installed. Just the basics.
I've reverted to the previous Safari which I had archived just incase.
This happens too often. Apple releases software that just isn't ready for prime time, it crashes and one must revert to backup. Doing their part to keep minions fully employed.

[JoeDMD]

On my PC I can't watch the keynote in QuickTime - does not show video, just the Q. Had to watch it in VLC.

[NoSmokingBandit]

Agree. I have an old Nokia 6021 that can do MMS. I think it's mainly a network/software thing.

Who really knows? Apple does all sorts of odd stuff for seemingly no reason. Like the removal of Firewire on the short-lived uMB. Still cant figure that one out, even though they did fix it.

[Kwill]

During keynote there's an interesting stutter when introducing the iPhone 3GS. The "S" stands for "Stev... Speed."

00:08:33
"Up to 3.06 GHz Dual Core"
(Isn't that Core 2 Duo on the slide, Buddy?)

[johan.k]

Anybody know, what the intro song title is? This song mainly played in iPhone ad as well. Anybody?

[Angelchild]

How to download the HD qt (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0906paowdnv/event/index.html?internal=ijalrmacu) streaming?
I have already download podcast but I want to have on my hdd the Keynote in HD.
In this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=415007) thread one guy (Imperiax) was able to post an mp4 link for MWSF08 Keynote, but IDK how to build another link like that for WWDC09 Keynote.

Someone? Thanks.

[Angelchild]

oh Im trying to export via QT in.mp4. I'll let you know if it works.

EDIT: no, it didn't works. It toke a bit but result is white video with no audio..

I don't know what to do..

[Billy Boo Bob]

Try Subscribe the the whole Podcast first in iTune Store (It hasn't shown up there yet), then you should find it in the Podcast tab, or it should be automatic downloading

Yeah. I was already subscribed, but kept looking in the "page" in the store, getting frustrated that it wasn't listed... Then I went and looked in my podcasts tab and there it was, already downloaded.

[ThunderSkunk]

I like Phil. I just wish he didn't always seem like he's so nervous he's about to wet his pants.

[NoSmokingBandit]

I found it amusing that the one fellow (dont know his name) was bashing Windows because no end-user should ever have to see a defrag window yet its perfectly acceptable for an end-user to have to repair permissions.

[NStocks]

Not sure if it has been posted but the WWDC 2009 keynote is now on iTunes