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musicpyrite
May 11, 2004, 05:57 PM
Here't the story from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/05/11/sony.vaio.pocket.reut/index.html



What I don't get is that the article says it has a 20 GB HD, but stores 13,000 songs. What gives? It might hold 13,000 songs if they were 32 kbps and were only thirty seconds long.

If Sony can lie about the number of songs it's mp3 player can hole so can Apple: Quote from Apple's web site, the NEW and IMPROVED iPod can hold 30,000 songs! And all on the iPod Mini's 4 GB drive!


:rolleyes:

King Cobra
May 11, 2004, 06:39 PM
What I don't get is that the article says it has a 20 GB HD, but stores 13,000 songs....It might hold 13,000 songs if they were 32 kbps and were only thirty seconds long.
According to my calculations, each four minute song would have to have 39.385 Kbps quality. Or, each 128Kbps song would have to last 1 min and 38.462 seconds. So, technically, it's not lying, but deceiving.

And, now, the Viao-bashing begins...

medea
May 11, 2004, 06:43 PM
who cares? it is not even coming stateside and in my opinion it is butt ugly.

musicpyrite
May 11, 2004, 06:55 PM
According to my calculations, each four minute song would have to have 39.385 Kbps quality. Or, each 128Kbps song would have to last 1 min and 38.462 seconds. So, technically, it's not lying, but deceiving.

And, now, the Viao-bashing begins...

To me it's lying, everybody (I think) uses a 4 minute song at 128 kbps (mp3/AAC/WMA).

Viao-bashing, I'll go first - Down with the Viao! and Sony.

King Cobra
May 11, 2004, 09:07 PM
Viao-bashing, I'll go first - Down with the Viao!
medea beatcha to it, sharpshooter. http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/new_shocked.gif http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/new_snipersmilie.gif


and Sony.
Yeah, right. http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

BrianKonarsMac
May 11, 2004, 09:55 PM
25 buttons and the UI!?!?! OI VEY!
and that battery? its a brick in your pocket!

<Bash>DOWN WITH VAIO</Bash>

x86isslow
May 11, 2004, 10:32 PM
this can't be iPod killer, surely the others who came before were the iPod killers, i mean CNET et al sure crowned em in a jiffy :rolleyes:

glad the Japanese are quarantining this one :p

Krizoitz
May 11, 2004, 11:27 PM
They are forgetting the reason that the iPod is so superior. Simplicity.

Koodauw
May 12, 2004, 12:14 AM
que the "Dude you can get like a 40 gig iPod for only $35 more" arguement.

Thing looks pretty cool, although I couldn't really see the thickness. That's important. Anyways, they still don't have iTunes, so who knows where it will end up.

I like the color screen though. Can a color screen be used with out backlight like the normal iPods?

Anyways, hPod should be out soon. Should be interesting to see those.

Counterfit
May 12, 2004, 03:16 AM
Maybe that's 13.000 songs in the ATRAC3 format... :confused:

Krizoitz
May 12, 2004, 04:31 AM
Maybe that's 13.000 songs in the ATRAC3 format... :confused:

MIDI's anyone :D

ryo
May 12, 2004, 04:38 AM
Maybe that's 13.000 songs in the ATRAC3 format... :confused:

You are right.
Viao pocket converts MP3,WAV, and WMA, to ATRAC3plus or ATRAC3.
It can play only ATRAC3plus or ATRAC3 files.

Chappers
May 12, 2004, 05:13 AM
The "VAIO pocket" can be connected to a digital camera and display photos on a 2.2-inch colour liquid crystal display (LCD) screen.

Obviously for people whose digital cameras don't have an LCD screen.

Teronke
May 12, 2004, 06:34 AM
I don't think Sony's attempt to muscle into the digital music market should be dismissed out of hand.

Their one of the few PC companies out there that can offer a complete digital music solution.

First, they have their new Connect site with the significant muscle of Sony music behind it.

Second, they already have a range of Connect-compatible devices, ranging from minidiscs, to their netwalkmans and now the sony pocket with all the price points fairly well covered. And now they're also releasing Hi-MD, which allows the minidisc to act like a removable flash disk coupled with the long battery life of minidisc portables.

Third, they're a manufacturer of hi-fi equipment and have in the past 3-4 years have been putting out models that allow linking of PCs and portables with hi fi systems.

Fourth, they've been preloading Sonicstage onto their PCs for quite a few years now. And although by no way nearly as good as iTunes, there has been a group of PCs users that have familiarised themselves with it.

This of course doesn't mean they're going to upstage Apple or Steve Jobs. However, this represents the most serious challenge to Apple's dominance to date. For us Mac users lets hope that Sony doesn't come up trumps since they have a very poor record of providing support for the Mac e.g. NetMDs, CLIEs etc

dragula53
May 12, 2004, 09:24 AM
it converts everything to ATRAC-3

which means your mp3's, which are already lossy, lose some more when converted to ATRAC-3, which is also lossy

and who cares if you can stare at album art while you play?

I would like to see the ipod get a color screen, and display some sort of visualizer.. and have high-tech games.. or be able to play movies.. or something.. but that stuff barely matters when you have a music player.

moo

whooleytoo
May 12, 2004, 11:50 AM
Cripes.. the portable playstation looks a lot better (and simpler) than this!

rueyeet
May 12, 2004, 01:53 PM
Sony may be the only other company to offer an integrated solution, but they're using a completely proprietary format that hasn't seen a whole bunch of adoption. And they're attempting to enter a market already split between two major formats. ATRAC and its devices just don't have enough marketshare to be any more than a niche.

Ajmbc
May 12, 2004, 04:32 PM
What do you do with 25 buttons? How do you change songs while it is in your pocket? Even the Dell DJ (I hate to say it) is more simple than this.

Aj

virividox
May 12, 2004, 05:33 PM
What do you do with 25 buttons? How do you change songs while it is in your pocket? Even the Dell DJ (I hate to say it) is more simple than this.

Aj

i never thought it was possible the dell dj would be better than a sony product...shudder

King Cobra
May 12, 2004, 05:40 PM
How do you change songs while it is in your pocket?
You'd have to have a HUGE set of pockets for that P.O.S., big guy. That little video screen is 2.2 inches, and those 25 buttons at one end of the device span about double that. http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/new_snipersmilie.gif

Ajmbc
May 12, 2004, 09:29 PM
You'd have to have a HUGE set of pockets for that P.O.S., big guy. That little video screen is 2.2 inches, and those 25 buttons at one end of the device span about double that. http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/new_snipersmilie.gif

I don't know where sony came up with this design- they usually have well-designed products. Do you punch in codes with these buttons, or what?

Aj

Ajmbc
May 12, 2004, 09:42 PM
Link to an interface flash (http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/VGF-AP1/feat2.html)

11.5 x 1.72 x 6.33 cm with a weight of 195 grams.


aj

Ajmbc
May 12, 2004, 10:23 PM
Size comparisons to iPod and iPod Mini

musicpyrite
May 13, 2004, 01:42 PM
Size comparisons to iPod and iPod Mini


Doesn't look much bigger than the iPod, but you need to do a width and thickness comparison ;) to get an accurate comparison.

srobert
May 13, 2004, 02:29 PM
Link to an interface flash (http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/VGF-AP1/feat2.html)

aj

Ouch! I just had a look at that flash simulation. It looks so complicated. Anybody else notice that they only scrolled a screen worth of albums in that demo? How do you scroll through thousands of song? slide you thumb from top to bottom, lift thumb, move thumb back to top, repat a few hundred times? I'm sure they thought of a way but it sures look more complicated (and more painfull) than with the iPod.

The color screen looks nice tough.

I've heard that the long battery life is supplied by a powerpack on your belt. Anyone can confrim or deny that rumor? If true, I'm sure they did not add that extra weight/volume in the advertised specs.

Ajmbc
May 13, 2004, 10:42 PM
I agree- scrolling through those buttons looks difficult, but probably nothing can top how hard it is to scroll with the dell dj.
The battery is the 'bump' at the right end of the vaio.

Aj

rueyeet
May 14, 2004, 04:11 PM
That's a whole hella lot of buttons for someone who just wants an MP3 player, but as I recall that's not all the Viao Pocket's supposed to do.

It's the convergence device thing....so far no device that tries to combine multiple functions into a single gizmo has been able to do better with each single function than the dedicated devices for that function. So either you go for maximum functionality and end up with multiple devices, or you compromise functionality somewhere to get everything into a single device.

Another less mentioned problem with a converged device is that it had better be combining things people will actually want to have at the same time. I can see putting an MP3 player function into a portable game player, for instance, so the gamer can choose his/her own backdrop for the game, but am less impressed by the addition of digital video capability, because who really needs to carry movies with them at all times?

Ajmbc
May 15, 2004, 12:28 PM
Convergence devices do seem to do everything a little less well. The reason iPod is good is because it focuses on one thing- it does it very well.