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dmm219
Jun 11, 2009, 08:56 AM
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2348430,00.asp

Now, I don't agree at all with this guy when it comes to his analysis of the set top box industry, he obviously doesn't have his facts straight (ie, his 360 netflix comment is about a year late). AND its...PC mag.com...

However, I do agree, that if we don't here something about the ATV by september...it is pretty much history. That's not to say that they don't have some total new device that will leverage iTunes on the TV (like a new media center)...but the ATV, in its current incarnation, that we all own and use today, is about to die completely. If there is an update...it will require all new hardware we will all have to buy. I doubt there will be an ATV 3.0 that would be useful on current ATVs at this point.

That being said, I'm still totally happy with my ATV...The idea and execution were great, the advertising and price point were awful...that probably killed it.



dalvin200
Jun 11, 2009, 09:01 AM
The whole article is ****!

Bcos17
Jun 11, 2009, 09:05 AM
How can this guy make the argument that PS3 is better than the ATV for on demand content? ATV is alot easier to stream all your content to and with movie rentals and purchase ability through Itunes it seems like a no-brainer. I am not familiar with the xbox 360 so I wont comment on that but what is this guy talking about????

spice weasel
Jun 11, 2009, 09:47 AM
He also says that most people use the ATV for music only. Really? Maybe I'm in the minority, but I use mine pretty heavily for movies and TV shows as well. In fact, it's probably a 65/35 movies/music split.

I do think, however, that Apple's lack of attention to the ATV means that something big is in the works. Apple has been pretty aggressive in the whole iTMS thing, and I just don't see them abandoning the ATV at precisely the time when other companies are realizing that there is a market for media extenders. Most of them have problems of one sort or another, however (mainly UI issues), and this is Apple's forte - design something that does what other products on the market already do, but make it better, easier, and more aesthetically pleasing.

If Apple does abandon the ATV as we currently know it, it will be because they have something bigger and better in the works.

cantthinkofone
Jun 11, 2009, 09:55 AM
How can this guy make the argument that PS3 is better than the ATV for on demand content? ATV is alot easier to stream all your content to and with movie rentals and purchase ability through Itunes it seems like a no-brainer. I am not familiar with the xbox 360 so I wont comment on that but what is this guy talking about????

The xbox 360 has been able to stream netflix for a long time now. My only complaint is you have to have a gold membership to do it. But thats M$ for you.

Streaming content to the 360 works on a mac, but it has hic-ups every once in a while. There is no album art. No descriptions, etc etc. You cannot organize your media very well, but this is because of connect 360.

If i had the money i would buy a apple tv. But right now i'm happy with my PM g4 media server and my 360.

neiltc13
Jun 11, 2009, 09:55 AM
He's right - both PS3 (and to a lesser extent) Xbox 360 are miles ahead of Apple TV in getting content to you at a good price.

My PS3 is the main device I use to get my content to my TV. It plays back all of the formats that Apple TV does and also does DivX and it's a pretty good gaming system too. But more importantly to me, I bought the PlayTV add on for it and it is now basically what you Americans would call Tivo, except there are no monthly charges. I can watch, record, pause and rewind Live TV all from the same device I use to watch my downloaded videos and play my games. It plays Blu Ray discs and DVDs as well, so I don't need a separate player for those.

Sony also today just launched Vidzone, a free service which lets PS3 owners access a library of music videos in full. No fees to watch - just choose one and view it for free. It's 1.29 per video on Apple TV.

Xbox 360 is also looking very promising. Netflix seems to bet a great service for those who live in the right countries. They also recently did a deal with Sky (the UK satellite broadcaster owned by the same company as Fox and DirecTV) to have Live TV plus a library of on demand movies and TV shows right on the console.

Unless Apple is able to match these features I can't see them going anywhere with Apple TV.

jaw04005
Jun 11, 2009, 09:55 AM
Apple TV was introduced at an iPod Special Event in September 2006. It was announced as a product at Macworld in January 2007, and it was updated to Take Two at Macworld in January 2008. It's never been mentioned at WWDC, as that's not the right venue.

Apple TV is not a developer platform. WWDC is a developer's conference.

"No Apple TV: This aimless product is, I believe, officially destined to go nowhere. Apple wants people to use it to view a library of film and television content from iTunes on their TVs, but I think most people use it for music. There are so many better options for on-demand video anyway, such as the Netflix Player by Roku, the Sony PS3, and, of course, the Xbox 360, which will soon provide access to Netflix Watch Instantly movies directly through the gaming console. Apple left talk of the set-top box out of this event, and I expect it'll soon walk away from it altogether."

I think the author is misinformed. The Apple TV will be updated in September at the next iPod event.

It's not going away for three reasons:

1. Apple discussed at WWDC its primary goal for Snow Leopard was to unify the Mac, iPhone, iPod and Apple TV platforms.

2. Apple TV is Apple's only living room device.

3. Apple TV's sales were up 300 percent in Q1 '09 over Q1 '08 without a price drop or major software upgrade.

Additionally, Snow Leopard includes two new features for Apple TV owners, a new export/sharing wizard in QuickTime X and the ability for your AirPort or Time Capsule to wake your Mac up to sync with Apple TV. So, Apple is still building out O/S features to be used in conjunction with the Apple TV.

Like every product, you have to decide which product suits your needs best. If you already have one of the major gaming consoles, Apple TV may not be for you.

neiltc13
Jun 11, 2009, 09:57 AM
Like every product, you have to decide which product suits your needs best. If you already have one of the major gaming consoles, Apple TV may not be for you.

Where I live Apple TV is much more expensive than Xbox 360. I don't see what reasons there are to buy it over the console.

Also, who cares if you can use one of Apple's overpriced and underperforming routers to "wake" your computer to play the content? The fact that you need the computer on in the first place is a massive failing of the device.

On my PS3 I can connect any USB drive or insert a data DVD or CD and play (and copy) content from that. Why doesn't Apple TV do this?

gkarris
Jun 11, 2009, 10:00 AM
There were rumors about Apple looking into the Atom/Ion chipset:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=635006

But obviously, no NetBook yet, and the Mini isn't using it. This leaves the new version of AppleTV.

Probably smaller, use HDMI (adapter for VGA or DVI) only. $199... Can play 1080p.

Apple will continue to sell 720p videos for older AppleTV users...

AFA dying off - that's what they said about the Mini... (and FW on the MacBooks)... :)

jaw04005
Jun 11, 2009, 10:05 AM
There are tons of Apple TV vs. PS3 threads. I suggest you do a search if you want to continue to debate the two platform's media capabilities. At this point, it's been argued ad nauseam.

dmm219
Jun 11, 2009, 11:04 AM
Apple TV was introduced at an iPod Special Event in September 2006. It was announced as a product at Macworld in January 2007, and it was updated to Take Two at Macworld in January 2008. It's never been mentioned at WWDC, as that's not the right venue.

Apple TV is not a developer platform. WWDC is a developer's conference.

"No Apple TV: This aimless product is, I believe, officially destined to go nowhere. Apple wants people to use it to view a library of film and television content from iTunes on their TVs, but I think most people use it for music. There are so many better options for on-demand video anyway, such as the Netflix Player by Roku, the Sony PS3, and, of course, the Xbox 360, which will soon provide access to Netflix Watch Instantly movies directly through the gaming console. Apple left talk of the set-top box out of this event, and I expect it'll soon walk away from it altogether."

I think the author is misinformed. The Apple TV will be updated in September at the next iPod event.

It's not going away for three reasons:

1. Apple discussed at WWDC its primary goal for Snow Leopard was to unify the Mac, iPhone, iPod and Apple TV platforms.

2. Apple TV is Apple's only living room device.

3. Apple TV's sales were up 300 percent in Q1 '09 over Q1 '08 without a price drop or major software upgrade.

Additionally, Snow Leopard includes two new features for Apple TV owners, a new export/sharing wizard in QuickTime X and the ability for your AirPort or Time Capsule to wake your Mac up to sync with Apple TV. So, Apple is still building out O/S features to be used in conjunction with the Apple TV.

Like every product, you have to decide which product suits your needs best. If you already have one of the major gaming consoles, Apple TV may not be for you.

This is interesting info I did not know...thanks...

Tilpots
Jun 11, 2009, 11:07 AM
Apple TV was introduced at an iPod Special Event in September 2006. It was announced as a product at Macworld in January 2007, and it was updated to Take Two at Macworld in January 2008. It's never been mentioned at WWDC, as that's not the right venue.

Apple TV is not a developer platform. WWDC is a developer's conference.



I and many other folks were hoping for a mention of an ATV App Store at WWDC. This would have been the event to unveil it. With no mention, looks like it's not in the cards this round.

As far as the article goes, I think it was pretty much crap.

dmm219
Jun 11, 2009, 11:09 AM
Where I live Apple TV is much more expensive than Xbox 360. I don't see what reasons there are to buy it over the console.

Also, who cares if you can use one of Apple's overpriced and underperforming routers to "wake" your computer to play the content? The fact that you need the computer on in the first place is a massive failing of the device.

On my PS3 I can connect any USB drive or insert a data DVD or CD and play (and copy) content from that. Why doesn't Apple TV do this?

1. The 360 (w HD) is still more expensive than ATV in the states...

2. Waking up is useful for those with macbooks mostly...not a big deal for me. As for needing a computer, you need to research the ATV a bit more, it does not need a computer, it gives you a choice to use one if you want (however, the ATV's HD can be limiting in this config)

3. It should, and probably will in the future.

4. PS3 is still grossly overpriced compared to just about everything out there. I'd love to have one, no way I'm buying one until it gets closer to $250. THIS is the massive failing of the PS3 (no one can argue the impressive specs of the PS3)

pjarvi
Jun 11, 2009, 11:18 AM
Apple just recently promoted the AppleTV as a Father's day gift. Hardly the sign of impending doom if they are still promoting it.

savar
Jun 11, 2009, 11:34 AM
If Apple does abandon the ATV as we currently know it, it will be because they have something bigger and better in the works.

Let's be honest, the next Apple TV should BE a TV.

jaw04005
Jun 11, 2009, 11:47 AM
Let's be honest, the next Apple TV should BE a TV.

I disagree. I think Apple should license their Apple TV platform to current TV manufacturers like Microsoft's doing with Media Center.

A built-in Apple TV to your next Samsung HDTV would be killer. They're already pumping out so-called "smart TVs" anyway with ethernet ports, wireless, etc.

cantthinkofone
Jun 11, 2009, 12:03 PM
....the ability for your AirPort or Time Capsule to wake your Mac up to sync with Apple TV.

I am VERY excited about this. Last week i was thinking how cool it would be for the apple tv or another media device to wake the computer up. I wish my xbox 360 would do it. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

TJRiver
Jun 11, 2009, 12:08 PM
Right now, I run an XBox 360 from my iMac, using 360 Connect software. While I do not have a lot of video on my Mac, that will change in the future (I have about 150 laserdiscs I have to rip before my player goes belly up). The XBox interface, while improved withthe last upgrade, still leaves a lot to be desired. Scrolling through a long artists list is tedious.

I would like to go with the Apple TV/iPod Touch remote set up when I get back to work. I am getting a lot of use out of the XBox, as a DVD player and media streamer, the only real downside is the amount of fan noise the Box makes.

imacdaddy
Jun 11, 2009, 12:12 PM
I've had mine since launch in 2007 and I've been using it regularly since day 1 mainly to watch tv shows and movies and occasionally streaming music and some YouTube. I think it's great for what it does and will continue to use it until it craps out.

But after 2.5 years, I think Apple has abandoned it. I would be very surprised to see something about :apple:tv this Sep or 2010 CES. What would be the next "new" feature for an upgrade? :confused:

gcmexico
Jun 11, 2009, 12:30 PM
with ATV you can purchase movies (or TV shows) and rent, can you do that with PS3 and XBOX 360? I thought you couldn't....

ppilone
Jun 11, 2009, 12:37 PM
What I don't fully understand is why there is no DVR feature to the Apple TV? I'm using media center (which is great) but if Apple introduced DVR support I would definitely think about switching over.

Are there obvious reasons why ATV doesn't have DVR support that I'm missing?

mohanman
Jun 11, 2009, 12:52 PM
1) The appletv is the easiest to use device for multimedia on the big screen period. 360 and Ps3 are gaming consoles and should stick with that (one being way too loud for living room use, and the other no coverart, and horrible interface)...

2) Apple is doing so well with Itunes, Music, Movies, Tv shows, applications, they cannot just give up in the living room, no way.

3) Having my iphone and several appletvs throughout the house synced to one itunes library on my imac is amazing, and I hope that apple continues to update the Appletv, please Apple!

4) Apps on the appletv including games would be sweet. Yes, they won't compare to 360 or ps3 games, but the iphone games are better than psp games (trust me I have both)

Mo

FF_productions
Jun 11, 2009, 12:54 PM
I'd be very frustrated if ATV gets dumped. I've been using it for a long time, I've left DVD's in the dust, and have made a significant investment in storage and digital media...and lots of TIME. (not saying my apple tv suddenly disappears, it'd just be very lame if they dumped it)

Tallest Skil
Jun 11, 2009, 12:54 PM
What I don't fully understand is why there is no DVR feature to the Apple TV? I'm using media center (which is great) but if Apple introduced DVR support I would definitely think about switching over.

Are there obvious reasons why ATV doesn't have DVR support that I'm missing?

None whatsoever, especially since Apple has some nice DVR patents that they haven't used yet.

I say Apple TV software 3.0 will include them, along with the first hardware update... EVER.

Something nice. Something that can do 1080p without breaking a sweat, with hard drive options at 250 and 500 GB. :cool:

TheCheapGeek
Jun 11, 2009, 01:20 PM
I agree that their are other devices that can play a wide variety of formats, and yes the 360 and ps3 play 1080 content with no issues. Setting aside the user interface, I use the apple tv because it integrates in with my mac household. I dont have to worry that a movie or tv show I buy on one of my apple tv's wont play on my iphone or sync over to my ipod. As with everything mac it just works. The only thing I want from the apple tv is some small widgets like a clock, weather, ect. , integrated iPhone remote support to navigate the interface like you can on the Apple remote, and the ability to move rentals from the Apple tv to your mac(this feature may be available but I cant find it).

dmm219
Jun 11, 2009, 01:29 PM
1)

2) Apple is doing so well with Itunes, Music, Movies, Tv shows, applications, they cannot just give up in the living room, no way.



I don't think anyone is claiming Apple will give up on iTunes. But this doesn't mean they haven't given up on ATV. Its very possible that they have concluded the ATV to be fatally flawed (jobs himself has admitted the original strategy was flawed)...in which case, they may be developing something entirely new and different.

I'm betting on this one...they will use ATV as a bridge until they get whatever new idea they have up their sleeve out the door...

cantthinkofone
Jun 11, 2009, 03:09 PM
with ATV you can purchase movies (or TV shows) and rent, can you do that with PS3 and XBOX 360? I thought you couldn't....

You can buy and rent movies and tv shows from the xbox live marketplace. Only you use M$ points. Renting a movie coast 400 points i think. You can buy 1600 points for $20. So your looking at about $5 to rent a movie. I forget the exact points are to rent and buy but it's close to what the itunes store charges.

They have BBC, Discovery, MTV, Comedy Central and a few others and various shows from each channel.

But they don't have near the library to choose from that the itunes store does.

I think itunes should get a copy of Netflix's library...I would move to itunes then.

kiranmk2
Jun 11, 2009, 03:11 PM
They won't abandon the concept - lots of other firms are launching streaming boxes (in fact, in the UK, we're being bombarded with TV Adverts from a computer retailer trying to sell us streamers) so it's clearly a growth industry and net bandwidth has increased since the AppleTV was launched. I guess Apple is firming up a replacement but may be waiting for all the elements to be in place - it may be a home server is being planned, it may be waiting for Snow Leopard to be released or it may be working out whether the current generation of units will be soft-upgraded too. At some point Apple has to realise that people have amassed group collections of media and want a collective store rather than an individual store (and this applies to iphoto too). The thing with living room boxes is people are used to buying a player and keeping it for many years until the next standard arrives - buying a new one every 18-months-2 years as you do with iphones/computers won't stick so any new model will probably need a user replaceable hard drive (and the OS on a smal SSD).
We'll see something in September.

neiltc13
Jun 11, 2009, 03:14 PM
You can buy and rent movies and tv shows from the xbox live marketplace. Only you use M$ points. Renting a movie coast 400 points i think. You can buy 1600 points for $20. So your looking at about $5 to rent a movie. I forget the exact points are to rent and buy but it's close to what the itunes store charges.

They have BBC, Discovery, MTV, Comedy Central and a few others and various shows from each channel.

But they don't have near the library to choose from that the itunes store does.

I think itunes should get a copy of Netflix's library...I would move to itunes then.

In the USA there is a huge amount of content on the Xbox Live Marketplace.

TV Shows: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/videos/catalog.aspx?d=2
Movies: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/videos/catalog.aspx?d=1

I don't think Sony's library is as big, but Microsoft's is certainly not far off iTunes.

dmm219
Jun 11, 2009, 04:03 PM
In the USA there is a huge amount of content on the Xbox Live Marketplace.

TV Shows: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/videos/catalog.aspx?d=2
Movies: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/videos/catalog.aspx?d=1

I don't think Sony's library is as big, but Microsoft's is certainly not far off iTunes.

my 360 is coming in the mail soon. I'm looking forward to comparing and contrasting it with ATV. I'm a little miffed however, at 2 things: 1. the whole lack of wifi and forcing a $100 dongle to have wifi (thats almost a THIRD of the price of the whole freaking console!!!!). 2. The forcing of Gold membership for access to Netflix, software wise, there is NO reason for this, other than to rip people off for more money...

So figuring a $50 a year sub to xbox life, plus $10 a month cheapest netflix...having netflix ondemand will cost me $180 a year. That's getting a bit excessive. Roku would be cheaper...

...anyway...looking forward to seeing their library and downloading some Banjo Kazooie and Monkey Island!!!

EmperorDarius
Jun 11, 2009, 04:04 PM
PC Magazine is one of the most stupid Magazines out there - and no, it's not just because of this article, but because of its series of stupid articles and reviews.

Revelation78
Jun 11, 2009, 10:11 PM
I and many other folks were hoping for a mention of an ATV App Store at WWDC. This would have been the event to unveil it. With no mention, looks like it's not in the cards this round.

As far as the article goes, I think it was pretty much crap.

I disagree! I'm positive there will be an app store for the AppleTV; if they released info on an AppleTV app store at WWDC they would have had to release the new AppleTV. I think this time around Apple will announce the new AppleTV and the app store; at the 2010 WWDC the AppleTV app store will be integrated into the developers conference.

The other idea is release updated hardware this year and announce an app store for AppleTV at WWDC 10.



Also, who cares if you can use one of Apple's overpriced and underperforming routers to "wake" your computer to play the content? The fact that you need the computer on in the first place is a massive failing of the device.

On my PS3 I can connect any USB drive or insert a data DVD or CD and play (and copy) content from that. Why doesn't Apple TV do this?

You realize the AppleTV also has an internal hard drive so you don't have to stream content from a computer if you don't want to.

neiltc13
Jun 22, 2009, 05:16 PM
You realize the AppleTV also has an internal hard drive so you don't have to stream content from a computer if you don't want to.

Yep, but the problem is that you cannot control what is stored on your Apple TV without using a computer. If I want something copied from my computer to my PS3, I simply choose the "copy" function and it does it.

dmm219
Jun 23, 2009, 08:37 AM
Yep, but the problem is that you cannot control what is stored on your Apple TV without using a computer. If I want something copied from my computer to my PS3, I simply choose the "copy" function and it does it.

? this makes no sense. The ATV will easily copy files from your computer to your ATV with a sync (either manual or automatic).

Now, if what you are TRYING to say is that ATV won't play as many TYPES of files...you are absolutely correct. First you complain about using a computer with ATV, then defend your point by saying you can copy files over from a computer to your PS3.

Or...are you really trying to say that you can select and copy specific files, from your PC (if you PC is on a running and online), and copy them to your PS3 FROM the PS3? If that's the case, I really don't see why you think that would be super useful. Thats a feature I would surely never use if I had it...just stream everything, and have everything on tap on your ATV, or sync everything...

macJC50640
Jun 23, 2009, 10:07 AM
:apple:TV is a core product for Apple, as we move away from disks and physical hardware and to downloading movies and music off of iTunes and transfer them wherever we want. This, I believe, is why there is no BluRay on Macs -- Apple wants us to move forward instead of getting stuck in this little phase and of course they also want us to use their iTunes software. I think that within a time scale of 2-3 years, we will have moved over from physical disks to software downloads for all of our media interests.

talkingfuture
Jun 23, 2009, 10:30 AM
I'm surprised that now Apple sell more laptops than desktops they haven't promoted the idea of plugging you laptop into the TV and running front row. Not as good as :apple:TV but cheaper and easier for most people to leverage iTunes content. Maybe they could make a cable with mini display to HDMI conversion and a magsafe plug. Plug it into the mains, the TV and the laptop and boom.

VirtualRain
Jun 24, 2009, 06:53 PM
I'd be very surprised if a new TV appliance device is not in the works that would basically be a like an iPhone (not in form factor but in capability) that uses your TV for a screen, and bluetooth wireless controllers with touch pads for user interaction.

They must capitalize on the success of their music business and app store... bringing this to the living room for entertainment, gaming, and productivity.

Vagrant Pistol
Jun 24, 2009, 10:45 PM
? this makes no sense. The ATV will easily copy files from your computer to your ATV with a sync (either manual or automatic).

Now, if what you are TRYING to say is that ATV won't play as many TYPES of files...you are absolutely correct. First you complain about using a computer with ATV, then defend your point by saying you can copy files over from a computer to your PS3.

...just stream everything, and have everything on tap on your ATV, or sync everything...:D:D:D

..and if it can't play all types of files... Convert it! There's way too many types of software to use for this lazy fix. I understand the convenience of being able to play all types of files on the fly, but that's a petty excuse. I do love my ATV, But one thing for sure, they do need a new revised model. I've been waiting patiently for one. Interface could use a lift even though the update today is quite nice.

arnette
Jun 25, 2009, 09:21 PM
Apple TV won't go anywhere further until Apple has subscription-based TV show rentals.

I have a PS3 and use the movie rental function alot. It's pretty good but I don't think it has 802.11n - I'm running it on 'g' and I can't stream very well. I'm sure that's my setup though.

Anyway, I'd love to ditch DishTV and 'subscribe' to iTunes rentals one day.

munkees
Jun 25, 2009, 11:47 PM
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3) Having my iphone and several appletvs throughout the house synced to one itunes library on my imac is amazing, and I hope that apple continues to update the Appletv, please Apple!


I just purchased another 2 Apple TVs, that now make 3, I got the 160GB for the kids TV. I really like the Apple TV, but I wish it could have apps like the iPhone, that would make it a great platform for games and other apps, very useful, I could see this happening in the future, along with 1080p, with iTunes selling/renting HD in 1080p.

I ditched my Cable, it cheaper to buy shows and 2 more apple TVs a year, I stop watch TV last year, now I can just buy the kids shows. :apple:

Michael CM1
Jun 26, 2009, 12:23 AM
Take a Mac Mini, strip down some of the internal components, throw in an Atom processor, drop in Blu-ray, use something closer to iTunes than Front Row, create a non-S*(@ty remote and you've got a winner. It would need the ability for expansion like a computer, especially if you can add a Netflix streaming and Hulu streaming app to it. Apple just has to realize that most people (and most of its customers) are NOT going to give up optical media. Samsung and LG have coddled a little bit with Netflix, whose streaming is a definite competitor, to combine the best of both worlds. Apple just needs to do that.

gotzero
Jun 26, 2009, 12:58 AM
It seems to me that the last year has resulted in many many more HDTVs ending up in the homes of non-AV-nuts, who are far more likely to buy something like the ATV.

I ended up getting one, and the first thing I did was hack it, but I do find it to be a useful and worthwhile device. I have most of my DVD's ripped/compressed on my home system, and I (and just as importantly the GF) can quickly and easily access them. I think it is a great device, just possibly a little ahead of the curve. I have a mini hooked up to the same panel, and I would not even think of getting rid of the ATV.

I only occasionally buy a movie on it, because the selection is sub-par, and I can get a Blu-Ray from Blockbuster for the same price. There are times where it is not convenient to leave the house, and those are most of the purchasing times. I ended up using it much less than I thought I would for streaming my music library, mostly because I have speakers directly connected to the computer that work just fine.

I bet that it is more likely to be updated than abandoned, but before Apple worries about 1080p, they need to worry about selection...

Vanilla
Jun 26, 2009, 02:04 AM
Does anyone really use their ATV simply for music? That comment seems bizarre.

In my household we have all our childrens dvd's and a growing selection of mine and my wifes own dvd collection converted so that we can watch them easily on our laptops, iPod touch, iPhones and ATV. We also love the TED podcast and often browse around various youtube videos with the kids. In addition, on occasion we have been known to purchase and also rent the odd film from iTunes. Finally we also use the ATV to browse through our photo collection.

It's seamless, it works well and its reliable. I honestly don't understand the negativity here, it's a great bit of kit.

Vanilla

VirtualRain
Jun 26, 2009, 02:09 AM
I don't see any reason why Apple can't own this space the same way they took over the portable music world.

The current HTPC experience is not unlike the early days of MP3's and Napster... downloading music via p2p and then shoe-horning it to playback they way you wanted (on a CD, portable, or PC)... the whole scene was a dog's breakfast... just like today's digital home theater. Sure, people have HDTV's, but there's literally a hundred different ways to acquire, format, playback, and catalog content that are all over the place.

Someone, needs to come in and clean this mess up and bring some order to the chaos. I hope Apple can do it.

munkees
Jun 26, 2009, 03:12 AM
I bet that it is more likely to be updated than abandoned, but before Apple worries about 1080p, they need to worry about selection...

They is still a lot of content on available, I hope apple can get some of these other studios onboard. as for 1080p it will come, I guessing a new Apple TV will be available soon seeing 1080P is much more common than when ATV first arrived. This would also include the need for the HD content from itunes store to be 1080p as well. it will happen, just a question of when.

The Apple TV has lots of potential.

iVeBeenDrinkin'
Jun 26, 2009, 03:15 AM
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2348430,00.asp

Now, I don't agree at all with this guy when it comes to his analysis of the set top box industry, he obviously doesn't have his facts straight (ie, his 360 netflix comment is about a year late). AND its...PC mag.com...

However, I do agree, that if we don't here something about the ATV by september...it is pretty much history. That's not to say that they don't have some total new device that will leverage iTunes on the TV (like a new media center)...but the ATV, in its current incarnation, that we all own and use today, is about to die completely. If there is an update...it will require all new hardware we will all have to buy. I doubt there will be an ATV 3.0 that would be useful on current ATVs at this point.

That being said, I'm still totally happy with my ATV...The idea and execution were great, the advertising and price point were awful...that probably killed it.

There already is a better ATV, it's called the Mac mini

dogtanian
Jun 26, 2009, 07:11 AM
He's right - both PS3 (and to a lesser extent) Xbox 360 are miles ahead of Apple TV in getting content to you at a good price.

My PS3 is the main device I use to get my content to my TV. It plays back all of the formats that Apple TV does and also does DivX and it's a pretty good gaming system too. But more importantly to me, I bought the PlayTV add on for it and it is now basically what you Americans would call Tivo, except there are no monthly charges. I can watch, record, pause and rewind Live TV all from the same device I use to watch my downloaded videos and play my games. It plays Blu Ray discs and DVDs as well, so I don't need a separate player for those.

Sony also today just launched Vidzone, a free service which lets PS3 owners access a library of music videos in full. No fees to watch - just choose one and view it for free. It's 1.29 per video on Apple TV.

Xbox 360 is also looking very promising. Netflix seems to bet a great service for those who live in the right countries. They also recently did a deal with Sky (the UK satellite broadcaster owned by the same company as Fox and DirecTV) to have Live TV plus a library of on demand movies and TV shows right on the console.

Unless Apple is able to match these features I can't see them going anywhere with Apple TV.

I am an Apple TV user and think it functions well if not perfect for what I need... but unfortunately I agree with you and would say that for most, it fails on many fronts.

1) People can't be bothered to re-encode videos into whatever format is required. The layman (or woman!) just wants it to work which kind of goes against Apple's mantra somewhat

2) Price is too expensive for what you get lets be honest. I am only speaking for the UK but I would suggest a price drop is required to get this mainstream. If they make profit from subsidising the iPhone with O2, why not subsidise the Apple TV for use with the store?

3) BBC iPlayer? Sky TV? Apps? Channel 4 OD? Hulu? Netflix? LOVEfilm? any other possible software that would make the device a deal breaker is missing. Apple is either stubborn, just don't care or have their hands tied with the studio's.

Everyone goes on about 1080p but I think for the average Joe Bloggs it is not the most important point. I stongly belie my first three points would be the catalyst for a massive uptake in demand.

If anyones wondering I have a PS3 too and love it for viewing pictures using the memory card reader. I just wish the Apple TV would mimic some of the hardware so it would be a viable replacement.

Does anyone really use their ATV simply for music? That comment seems bizarre.

Not entirely, but primarily. I love using it for parties with people choosing their songs but Apple's idea of a visualiser is the art work spinning around... whoo... /Sarcasm

PS3 audio playback and the views of earth in HD is stunning and ten times better. Now everything is iTunes plus I can stick it on an SD card and use my PS3 instead.

Shivetya
Jun 26, 2009, 07:18 AM
3. Apple TV's sales were up 300 percent in Q1 '09 over Q1 '08 without a price drop or major software upgrade.

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do they break out the sales of Apple TV now? If so then I am more willing to believe real numbers than those extracted from some nebulous grouping of products

jaw04005
Jun 26, 2009, 10:13 AM
do they break out the sales of Apple TV now? If so then I am more willing to believe real numbers than those extracted from some nebulous grouping of products

They do when they have something to brag about. Those are direct numbers from Tim Cook at their Q1 '09 earnings call.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/21/apple_tv_sales_rise_300_will_see_continued_investment.html