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amphibious
Jun 12, 2009, 02:02 PM
Title says it all. Thanks!



nawoo
Jun 12, 2009, 02:26 PM
No i don't think so.

Using the new 2.13 ghz one now.

Still lousier than my older Sept unibody macbook pro

MacLover4491
Jun 12, 2009, 04:28 PM
dont buy the macbook air. it has screen problem. I know the price is much better now but i wouldnt buy unless you can handle the screen. Apple have bad quality control. MBAs screens are bad since forever. They never bothered to fix it.

Scottsdale
Jun 12, 2009, 05:49 PM
dont buy the macbook air. it has screen problem. I know the price is much better now but i wouldnt buy unless you can handle the screen. Apple have bad quality control. MBAs screens are bad since forever. They never bothered to fix it.

Some of the displays have some problems. I have a brand new MBA with 2.13 and SSD, and it's amazing. Better than my rev B was, except for the display... BUT, the display only shows lines on certain colored backgrounds AND only when look at the display very close up. AT THE SAME TIME, I have seen other displays that are noticeable from normal viewing distances. So, it really is a thing where there are some good displays and some bad displays, but most people would never notice the lines unless they were told how to look for them. I would recommend you look in the Apple Store and see if you like the display or not.

Don't let a few bad words on the forums change your mind, as it's an amazing little Mac that is super fast and capable even though super portable and ultra lightweight!

Cheers.

h1d
Jun 12, 2009, 08:53 PM
I have a question though, Scottsdale, you keep talking that the problem could be due to some sort of power current problem, yet you try to identify it by display model number, but do you have a theory as to the display being the cause of the power current issue or something else? If the display itself may not be the problem (but possibly other internal parts being wrong, especially around the time when 9c8f aren't produced), then this "display model number" theory could be just a different matter to guess above the real issue. Are you going to let your MBA to look on the power current issue? You have been enthusiastic to find the cause, we appreciate it (at least I do).

nawoo
Jun 12, 2009, 10:07 PM
my display looks great. no lines here


people who come on the forums to complain are the ones who have problems. There are tons of happy users out there

GoCubsGo
Jun 12, 2009, 10:09 PM
my display looks great. no lines here


people who come on the forums to complain are the ones who have problems. There are tons of happy users out there

Exactly! I know a few Air owners who have no lines, some are using the faster processor HDD models, other are with the SSD models, I'm with the low end one (slowest processor and HDD model).

So yeah, for every thread you see about lines and such you can figure that represents a small, perhaps less than 5% of the population of Air owners.

MacLover4491
Jun 12, 2009, 11:40 PM
well the people posting are just regular macrumors members just like other postings about the macbook and macbook pro. They do represent the rest of macbook air owners out there.

Scottsdale
Jun 13, 2009, 12:18 AM
I have a question though, Scottsdale, you keep talking that the problem could be due to some sort of power current problem, yet you try to identify it by display model number, but do you have a theory as to the display being the cause of the power current issue or something else? If the display itself may not be the problem (but possibly other internal parts being wrong, especially around the time when 9c8f aren't produced), then this "display model number" theory could be just a different matter to guess above the real issue. Are you going to let your MBA to look on the power current issue? You have been enthusiastic to find the cause, we appreciate it (at least I do).

My power "theory" is a hypothesis that I want to pursue further... A 9C8F has a proven reputation of displaying vibrant colors without lines. Who gives a crap what the "cause" for some displays are if with other displays there are NO LINES? That's my point!

Veinticinco
Jun 13, 2009, 06:13 AM
people who come on the forums to complain are the ones who have problems. There are tons of happy users out there

So yeah, for every thread you see about lines and such you can figure that represents a small, perhaps less than 5% of the population of Air owners.
I've disputed this theory before, and I'll do so again.

The phrase ignorance is bliss is very apt here, as the issue is not especially noticeable unless you have keen eyesight and/or a point of comparative reference (another Mac display which is perfect).

Even most of those who can see the problem with the display, just think 'meh' and accept substandard hardware. Far from being only a tiny minority, the fact that this issue is so widely reported here at such a concentrated forum as MR, suggests very much that it is only the tip of the iceberg. Just that out in the big wider world, the majority of people (Apple, Apple Store employees, buyers) don't give a crap.

hodgeheg
Jun 13, 2009, 06:28 AM
My power "theory" is a hypothesis that I want to pursue further... A 9C8F has a proven reputation of displaying vibrant colors without lines. Who gives a crap what the "cause" for some displays are if with other displays there are NO LINES? That's my point!

It's not guaranteed. I've had a 9C8F that had very visible lines. Far more so than the other of screen I had replaced with it due to non-lines related issue. I suspect the 'power' idea is worth pursuing further. Though there does seem to be a consensus that 9C8F are more likely to be good.

(this is a general comment, not addressed to you Scottsdale) I suspect the reason quite a lot of us "give a crap" and would like to know the cause is because of Apple's apparent utter disregard for the issue, and the number of Apple stores that deny its existence even when presented with a clear case. Since Apple don't appear to care, you have to try to work it out yourself, or, like me, buy something non Apple.

aleksandra.
Jun 13, 2009, 07:03 AM
A bit off topic, but since the discussion evolved in this direction... Any reasonable theory is worth pursuing at this point, but there's still no reason to believe it isn't just a coating defect. This could affect different models in different volumes, depending on the factory they were produced in. The problem is, we don't know exactly where the screen was made. If it's included in serial number (is there even any way to check it?), it's probably possible to figure out whether all the units with lines were produced in one place (and the others somewhere else), which would suggest a display defect, or not, which would point to other cause - like a power-related issue.

h1d
Jun 13, 2009, 07:40 AM
Is it even possible to swap MBA display? Is there some guy (with such a dedication) with 2 MBA who would take rev A display off and swap it onto either rev B or C with lines? If it fixes it, likely the display problem, if the line suddenly appears on otherwise perfect rev A display, then obviously not the display itself.

McGilli
Jun 13, 2009, 11:27 AM
Even most of those who can see the problem with the display, just think 'meh' and accept substandard hardware. Far from being only a tiny minority, the fact that this issue is so widely reported here at such a concentrated forum as MR, suggests very much that it is only the tip of the iceberg. Just that out in the big wider world, the majority of people (Apple, Apple Store employees, buyers) don't give a crap.

That might be true for a Macbook - but I don't really think it applies to the MBA. People that don't give a crap are probably not in the market for an MBA that has high cost, limited connectivity (compared to the macbook) and the thin design and 1/2 pound lighter. More often - I bet people that DO give a crap - will spend the extra $ for this machine and notice the issue - and either post here or on the official Apple site.

In which case - it would seem (to me) that there is a problem - but not as big as some would think.

People paying the premium for this laptop are more apt to complain about it as opposed to a laptop that is $800+ cheaper (macbook).

hodgeheg
Jun 13, 2009, 07:54 PM
A bit off topic, but since the discussion evolved in this direction... Any reasonable theory is worth pursuing at this point, but there's still no reason to believe it isn't just a coating defect. This could affect different models in different volumes, depending on the factory they were produced in. The problem is, we don't know exactly where the screen was made. If it's included in serial number (is there even any way to check it?), it's probably possible to figure out whether all the units with lines were produced in one place (and the others somewhere else), which would suggest a display defect, or not, which would point to other cause - like a power-related issue.

I don't believe it's a coating effect. If it were, it would be consistent. In my experience firstly the lines are worse sometimes than others. There were times when I couldn't see them even if I looked for them, and other times (more unfortunatley) when I couldn't avoid them even if I tried. I tested lots of lighting conditions, angles etc. I could find no pattern, but if it were the coating, wouldn't it be more stable? and also easy to fix.